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epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 02:33 PM
Indy has blazed a trail through the NFL thus far, and has blazed a trail through the Denver Broncos basically every time the two have met on the field over the prime of Peyton Manning's career.

Denver needs momentum to continue chasing the division title. The Chargers have two tough games coming up and a couple of games that could be difficult for them. They have @Dallas, Cincy, @Tennessee, and Washington ahead.

If Denver can beat Indy, they head down the back stretch with Oakland at home, @Philly, and KC at home. Those games are winnable. Dawkins' homecoming at Philly will be an emotional game that the defense will be up for.

It starts next Sunday at Indy.

Bronx33
12-06-2009, 02:38 PM
The stupid mistakes we had today will not fly next week we have to be prepared and MCD better have em ready.

cutthemdown
12-06-2009, 02:40 PM
Broncos have to beat Chiefs/Oakland and split the Eagles/Colts. They do that I think they will make playoffs and have a good shot at winning the division.

SJ Bronco
12-06-2009, 02:41 PM
I was always under the impression that Indy was they game we could afford to lose. Not that I expect us too, I think we can win, Indy doesn't scare me, but if we lose, it's not the end of the world.

Bronx33
12-06-2009, 02:44 PM
I was always under the impression that Indy was they game we could afford to lose. Not that I expect us too, I think we can win, Indy doesn't scare me, but if we lose, it's not the end of the world.


Very true but i don't want to lose and i hope MCD thinks the same way i do.

Archer81
12-06-2009, 02:45 PM
Wow. A huge game against our next opponent...thats not a change from the last 12 weeks at all...;)

Pass protection needs to improve, but as this game wore on, I got the impression our offense was not showing very much, and running for 250 gives Indi more to think about, IMO.

:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 02:48 PM
I was always under the impression that Indy was they game we could afford to lose. Not that I expect us too, I think we can win, Indy doesn't scare me, but if we lose, it's not the end of the world.

I disagree. This is why...

The Broncos and Chargers have identical division and conference records. The Broncos cannot afford to lose another conference game. They are better off losing @ Philly than @ Indy.

Bronx33
12-06-2009, 02:50 PM
Wow. A huge game against our next opponent...thats not a change from the last 12 weeks at all...;)

Pass protection needs to improve, but as this game wore on, I got the impression our offense was not showing very much, and running for 250 gives Indi more to think about, IMO.

:Broncos:


Clady could have been a bit better today but lets not excuse orton from holding onto the ball too long and refusing to simply throw the ball away and him not turning his head to check an even see if hes about to be tackled is driving me nutz. I will also add MCD calling pass plays where orton is suppose to survey the field when we are on the 5 yeard line is just stupid you have to know the oponet is going to bring the heat and may be asking abit to much from the OL.

bombay
12-06-2009, 02:51 PM
Broncos have to beat Chiefs/Oakland and split the Eagles/Colts. They do that I think they will make playoffs and have a good shot at winning the division.

This.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 02:53 PM
Really, to even consider winning the division at this point, the Broncos will have to beat all 3 of their AFC opponents and hope that the Chargers drop the game against Cincy.

SJ Bronco
12-06-2009, 02:58 PM
I disagree. This is why...

The Broncos and Chargers have identical division and conference records. The Broncos cannot afford to lose another conference game. They are better off losing @ Philly than @ Indy.
No, i do agree, it's always better to win any game and it's always better to win the Division than get a wild card. Bad to lose this game yes, but not the end of the world like the melt down this board will have as a result.

There will be talk about how we can't beat a good team and how we'll be one in out in the playoffs and how much Orton sucks. They will talk about someone who made One bad play like Moreno a few weeks ago being a bust. Blah, blah, blah. No I agree, a game we want to win, if nothing else to make a statement, and to take pressure off of beating a red hot philly team, but I think I'm just getting a head of the complaining. :sunshine:

snowspot66
12-06-2009, 03:00 PM
They have Dallas, Cinci, Tennessee, and Washington to go.

All of those teams can give them fits if you ask me.

We need to finish 11-5 to have a shot at the division. If we go 12-4 we win the division.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 03:05 PM
No, i do agree, it's always better to win any game and it's always better to win the Division than get a wild card. Bad to lose this game yes, but not the end of the world like the melt down this board will have as a result.

There will be talk about how we can't beat a good team and how we'll be one in out in the playoffs and how much Orton sucks. They will talk about someone who made One bad play like Moreno a few weeks ago being a bust. Blah, blah, blah. No I agree, a game we want to win, if nothing else to make a statement, and to take pressure off of beating a red hot philly team, but I think I'm just getting a head of the complaining. :sunshine:

I dont mind the complaining. Two wins in a row is nice, but that comes on the back of a devastating 4 game losing streak. Personally, I'll be glad that the Broncos even make the playoffs if it happens. However, creeping behind Denver in the standings are Jacksonville (7-5), New England (7-5), Baltimore (6-5), Miami (6-6), NYJ (6-6) and Pittsburgh (6-6).

Two losses might leave Denver on the outside looking in.

oubronco
12-06-2009, 03:09 PM
I think we can run it down their throats

Broncos4tw
12-06-2009, 03:09 PM
Indy isn't the big game, Eagles are. Chalk up the Indy game as a loss imo. If we win, well, I'll consider it a sign of great things to come, but I am hardly holding my breath, nor thinking we are going to win it. But... I also don't think Indy goes unbeaten.. someone is going to take them down. Could be us.

Eagles is the crucial game. If we win the ones we should, and take Eagles... well, 11 wins if not good enough to win the division, should easily roll into the playoffs regardless.

Archer81
12-06-2009, 03:11 PM
I dont mind the complaining. Two wins in a row is nice, but that comes on the back of a devastating 4 game losing streak. Personally, I'll be glad that the Broncos even make the playoffs if it happens. However, creeping behind Denver in the standings are Jacksonville (7-5), New England (7-5), Baltimore (6-5), Miami (6-6), NYJ (6-6) and Pittsburgh (6-6).

Two losses might leave Denver on the outside looking in.


NE is a division leader and we beat them, or am I missing your point?


:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 03:12 PM
Indy isn't the big game, Eagles are. Chalk up the Indy game as a loss imo. If we win, well, I'll consider it a sign of great things to come, but I am hardly holding my breath, nor thinking we are going to win it. But... I also don't think Indy goes unbeaten.. someone is going to take them down. Could be us.

Eagles is the crucial game. If we win the ones we should, and take Eagles... well, 11 wins if not good enough to win the division, should easily roll into the playoffs regardless.

This is just wrong thinking. At this time of year, a game isnt important because of whether or not you think that the team can win it. Personally, I think that Denver can win this game. A game is important this time of year because of its effect on the standings. A win is not just a win. A conference or division win is much more important than a non-conference win.

snowspot66
12-06-2009, 03:14 PM
I dont mind the complaining. Two wins in a row is nice, but that comes on the back of a devastating 4 game losing streak. Personally, I'll be glad that the Broncos even make the playoffs if it happens. However, creeping behind Denver in the standings are Jacksonville (7-5), New England (7-5), Baltimore (6-5), Miami (6-6), NYJ (6-6) and Pittsburgh (6-6).

Two losses might leave Denver on the outside looking in.

I believe a lot of those teams play each other down the stretch multiple times and we hold the tie-breaker against New England. We don't have to play any of them down the stretch.

snowspot66
12-06-2009, 03:16 PM
Indy isn't the big game, Eagles are. Chalk up the Indy game as a loss imo. If we win, well, I'll consider it a sign of great things to come, but I am hardly holding my breath, nor thinking we are going to win it. But... I also don't think Indy goes unbeaten.. someone is going to take them down. Could be us.

Eagles is the crucial game. If we win the ones we should, and take Eagles... well, 11 wins if not good enough to win the division, should easily roll into the playoffs regardless.

They're 12-0. It gets harder every week. They are also one win away from a regular season win streak record. We'll give them our best shot. I don't know if we'll win or if it will even be close considering our history with them but I do know that games like this are where teams tend to stumble.

There's a reason 16-0 has only happened once. I think we're the best shot at knocking them down considering the rest of their schedule.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 03:17 PM
NE is a division leader and we beat them, or am I missing your point?


:Broncos:

If they get jumped in the division, we'll be competing with them. Say next week, both we and NE lose while Miami and NYJ both win. That leaves:

Den 8-5
NE 7-6
Mia 7-6
NYJ 7-6

...that's a tight bunch. Especially if Baltimore Pittsburgh all win as well.

Then Denver's 8-5 and there are 5 teams one game back at 7-6, two of which have head-to-head tiebreakers over Denver.

Archer81
12-06-2009, 03:19 PM
If they get jumped in the division, we'll be competing with them. Say next week, both we and NE lose while Miami and NYJ both win. That leaves:

Den 8-5
NE 7-6
Mia 7-6
NYJ 7-6

...that's a tight bunch. Especially if Baltimore Pittsburgh all win as well.

Then Denver's 8-5 and there are 5 teams one game back at 7-6, two of which have head-to-head tiebreakers over Denver.


If Den and NE get to the point where they are competing for the 6th seed (knock on wood it doesnt come to that), NE sits and we go. Of course, Denver is going to win out, so this argument is purely hypothetical.

:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 03:23 PM
If Den and NE get to the point where they are competing for the 6th seed (knock on wood it doesnt come to that), NE sits and we go. Of course, Denver is going to win out, so this argument is purely hypothetical.

:Broncos:

Depending on how the results bear out, Denver may be competing with Miami or NY from that division and with Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and/or Jacksonville as well. You dont want to have to rely on some convoluted tiebreaker. The Broncos have their destiny in their own hands right now and are in control. We'll see if they can dictate their fate, or if they arent able to hold it together.

baja
12-06-2009, 03:28 PM
We are 100% healthy for this Indy game and that is big. Like so many have said I can't wait for this game.

Josh will pullout all the stops (creatively speaking) in this game

spdirty
12-06-2009, 04:39 PM
We are 100% healthy for this Indy game and that is big. Like so many have said I can't wait for this game.

Josh will pullout all the stops (creatively speaking) in this game

really? So they expect Harris to play?

SonOfLe-loLang
12-06-2009, 04:41 PM
Playin with the house's money next week as far as im concerned

Popps
12-06-2009, 04:48 PM
Playin with the house's money next week as far as im concerned

That's sort of how I look at it.


That said, I hate the Colts with every fiber of my being and nothing would make me happier than kicking their ass.

Jesterhole
12-06-2009, 04:49 PM
I can see up losing both the Indy and Philly game and still being OK. As long as we beat the Faid and Chefs again, that'll put us at 10-6 and probably in the playoffs. Couldn't have hoped for much better before the season began.

Bronx33
12-06-2009, 04:53 PM
Playin with the house's money next week as far as im concerned



I still wanna beat the fags.

SJ Bronco
12-06-2009, 04:59 PM
Maybe it's my location, but I want a piece of the raiders. Their fans are way to happy today and are making me mad.

BlaK-Argentina
12-06-2009, 05:00 PM
We have a good chance to beat them. We have the type of offense that seems to give them problems. Ball control, efficient, good RBs... if we can keep Manning off the field and score some damn TDs in the redzone, we can win.

We need to be physical, make Graham, Marshall, Moreno and Hillis the focus of the gameplan and run it, run it and run it!! Can't wait! I hope Nolan has a good plan to stop Peyton.

Bronx33
12-06-2009, 05:09 PM
We have a good chance to beat them. We have the type of offense that seems to give them problems. Ball control, efficient, good RBs... if we can keep Manning off the field and score some damn TDs in the redzone, we can win.

We need to be physical, make Graham, Marshall, Moreno and Hillis the focus of the gameplan and run it, run it and run it!! Can't wait! I hope Nolan has a good plan to stop Peyton.


We have to take advantage on every possesion and i think we will be ok though the D has been slow to start they seem to get it going fairly fast, if orton and crew fail to hold the ball for sucessful drives the D will get wore out and jughead picks em apart so the O is the key IMO.

gyldenlove
12-06-2009, 05:16 PM
We have a good chance to beat them. We have the type of offense that seems to give them problems. Ball control, efficient, good RBs... if we can keep Manning off the field and score some damn TDs in the redzone, we can win.

We need to be physical, make Graham, Marshall, Moreno and Hillis the focus of the gameplan and run it, run it and run it!! Can't wait! I hope Nolan has a good plan to stop Peyton.

Unless you have a ton of talent there is no good way to stop Peyton Manning, I think what we have to focus on are three things:

Don't give the ball away.
Don't give away a short field.
Make the tackles and plays you can.

If we can keep the ball, we can keep Manning on the sideline and wear down the defense, if we force them to drive long we will be able to get some stops and if we make the plays that are there and don't miss tackles we are as good as any team out there.

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-06-2009, 05:19 PM
Colts open -7.

Miami had a chance to TOP them to death earlier in the season, but couldn't put the hammer down. Aim to score 7s and not 3s, disrupt their timing and get to Manning in any way possible and you stand a chance. Easier said than done.

BlaK-Argentina
12-06-2009, 07:14 PM
So do we go for it on every 4th and short? Getting 3 against Manning is like fighting an AK47 with a knife.

Broncos4tw
12-06-2009, 07:46 PM
This is just wrong thinking. At this time of year, a game isnt important because of whether or not you think that the team can win it. Personally, I think that Denver can win this game. A game is important this time of year because of its effect on the standings. A win is not just a win. A conference or division win is much more important than a non-conference win.

I understand that, but I am just speaking out of common sense. We have a much greater chance to lose to the Colts, than the Eagles. As a fan, I hope / expect / pray we win every week, I'd never outright pick the opposition.

In reality though, it's very uncommon that the choice gets down to conference wins, I'm not too worried about that.

I think we can beat them if we blitz the living hell out of Manning. Up the middle, constantly, giving them all sorts of looks. Pressure on him is the ONLY way to win. You have no chance at all, if you try to beat him with coverage, this won't work.

lex
12-06-2009, 07:51 PM
Too much is being made of this game. We need to win enough to make the playoffs, whether that means winning against Oakland and KC or whether that means winning against Indy and Philly. If we win 10 games, we should have an excellent chance of making it. But rarely do rematches result in the exact same game. So, if we trounce Indy, its not likely going to be the same outcome in the playoffs...it seems like you rarely see the same type of game twice with rematches.

Archer81
12-06-2009, 07:54 PM
Too much is being made of this game. We need to win enough to make the playoffs, whether that means winning against Oakland and KC or whether that means winning against Indy and Philly. If we win 10 games, we should have an excellent chance of making it. But rarely does rematches result in the exact same game. So, if we trounce Indy, its not likely going to be the same outcome in the playoffs...it seems like you rarely see the same type of game twice with rematches.


The last time Denver won in KC, I was 13. The attention paid to this game is more than adequate. Its a division game, we put up 44 points, and managed to put a bit of a cushion on getting the 5th seed at worst or possibly winning the division by keeping pressure on SD.

Stop being negative.

:Broncos:

lex
12-06-2009, 08:09 PM
The last time Denver won in KC, I was 13. The attention paid to this game is more than adequate. Its a division game, we put up 44 points, and managed to put a bit of a cushion on getting the 5th seed at worst or possibly winning the division by keeping pressure on SD.

Stop being negative.

:Broncos:

STFU, ****head. I wasnt talking about today's game. Read the thread topic, dude.

BigBad
12-06-2009, 08:24 PM
I honestly think Denver, SD, and Cinci all lose next week.

Archer81
12-06-2009, 08:49 PM
STFU, ****head. I wasnt talking about today's game. Read the thread topic, dude.


My mistake jackass. Make yourself clearer. Doesnt ****ing help when you start a sentence "too much is being made out of this game" after we just beat KC.

Chill the **** out.



:Broncos:

Sassy
12-06-2009, 08:54 PM
Too much is being made of this game. We need to win enough to make the playoffs, whether that means winning against Oakland and KC or whether that means winning against Indy and Philly. If we win 10 games, we should have an excellent chance of making it. But rarely do rematches result in the exact same game. So, if we trounce Indy, its not likely going to be the same outcome in the playoffs...it seems like you rarely see the same type of game twice with rematches.

How can you make too much of any game? This is the nfl and we have a new coach, new players and a new QB. Yes, KC isn't a good team...but we have beat good teams and are 8-4 which is a lot more than a lot of fans expected. Teams want to play their best ball in December...and right now...it looks like we have a good start on that.

lex
12-06-2009, 09:13 PM
My mistake jackass. Make yourself clearer. Doesnt ****ing help when you start a sentence "too much is being made out of this game" after we just beat KC.

Chill the **** out.



:Broncos:

Once again, read the thread title.

Los Broncos
12-06-2009, 09:15 PM
Maybe a game like in 2003? run it right at them...

lex
12-06-2009, 09:17 PM
How can you make too much of any game? This is the nfl and we have a new coach, new players and a new QB. Yes, KC isn't a good team...but we have beat good teams and are 8-4 which is a lot more than a lot of fans expected. Teams want to play their best ball in December...and right now...it looks like we have a good start on that.

The thread topic is about the Indy game. Thats the game Im referring to. Theres no shame in losing to Indy. If we lose to Indy and play them again in the playoffs, its not a certainty it would be the same outcome. Usually thats not the case in rematches. And theres also a chance that if Denver were to make the playoffs, they may not even play Indy. Whether they make it in by defeating Indy and Phil, or whether its by beating KC and Oak, regardless of who they beat and how they win.

baja
12-06-2009, 09:22 PM
really? So they expect Harris to play?

Harris played today

UberBroncoMan
12-06-2009, 09:22 PM
Broncos have to beat Chiefs/Oakland and split the Eagles/Colts. They do that I think they will make playoffs and have a good shot at winning the division.

I don't see how we don't make the playoffs at 11-5... in fact it's almost impossible.

The only two teams left that could match that mark are Jacksonville and Baltimore.

... and Jacksonville still has to play Indy and New England.

Balt has to play Pitt and Green Bay @ Green Bay.

We really do need to finish 11-5 though... finishing 10-6 isn't something we want to even think about doing because then the odds really start to drop for us.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 09:25 PM
I don't see how we don't make the playoffs at 11-5... in fact it's almost impossible.

The only two teams left that could match that mark are Jacksonville and Baltimore.

... and Jacksonville still has to play Indy and New England.

Balt has to play Pitt and Green Bay @ Green Bay.

We really do need to finish 11-5 though... finishing 10-6 isn't something we want to even think about doing because then the odds really start to drop for us.

10-6 may not be enough for the Broncos. If the Broncos go 10-6, that adds at least one other conference and/or division loss, which would make the tie-breakers more difficult.

broncocalijohn
12-06-2009, 09:26 PM
I can see up losing both the Indy and Philly game and still being OK. As long as we beat the Faid and Chefs again, that'll put us at 10-6 and probably in the playoffs. Couldn't have hoped for much better before the season began.

This is how i see it and needs to play out to at least 10 wins. Just dont lose to the Raiders! Btw, jesterhole, werent you pretty much hating on McDaniels and the offseason moves pretty bad? You should be doing cartwheels right about now with this team 8-4. How to beat the Colts? Tons of running/keep Manning off the field and pressure Manning into mistakes. I think we finally have a defense that gives us a chance on this team that has been killing us pretty much this decade.

broncocalijohn
12-06-2009, 09:30 PM
Maybe a game like in 2003? run it right at them...

didnt they play their stiffs and then we got smoked in the playoffs against them?

SonOfLe-loLang
12-06-2009, 09:31 PM
didnt they play their stiffs and then we got smoked in the playoffs?

no, that game (the Quentin Griffin game as i like to call it) featured their starters.

Los Broncos
12-06-2009, 09:33 PM
no, that game (the Quentin Griffin game as i like to call it) featured their starters.

Yes, we had to win to get to the wildcard the next week, then got smoked.

But what I was saying is, maybe we run it right at them like that game.

But I'm not a coach, so who knows.

Rock Chalk
12-06-2009, 09:42 PM
Depending on how the results bear out, Denver may be competing with Miami or NY from that division and with Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and/or Jacksonville as well. You dont want to have to rely on some convoluted tiebreaker. The Broncos have their destiny in their own hands right now and are in control. We'll see if they can dictate their fate, or if they arent able to hold it together.

Denver can still take one more loss and STILL control its own destiny.

Baltimore is not winning out, and neither is Jacksonville. Both have some extremely tough games left on their schedule as well, on the road.

Denver will make the playoffs for sure at 11-5.

Where it will get murky is if they finish 10-6.

But there is a one game window of error that will still gaurantee us a playoff spot.

Its moot, because we are winning the 2 seed. Here's what is going to happen:

1) Denver wins out, finishes 12-4.
2) Cincy loses a game.
3) San Diego loses a conference game OR loses both NFC games remaining. (We might still get the tie breaker over them if they lose just a single NFC game, Im not sure).

San Diego has: @ Dallas, Cincy, @ Tennessee, Washington
Cincy has: @ Minn, @ SD, KC, @ NYJ

I figure, Cincy is going 2-2.

SD is going 3-1, maybe 2-2.

Denver is going 4-0.

#2 seed bitches.

CEH
12-06-2009, 09:47 PM
I don't think we catch SD
Rivers is 15-0 in Dec in his career and SD is cruising right now
Win both home games and we have a real good shot at the WC

atomicbloke
12-06-2009, 10:47 PM
So it comes down to the fact, that to get to the playoffs, we have to beat one stronger (on paper) team on the road?

Well, fair enough deal....

Sassy
12-06-2009, 10:52 PM
Harris played today

THen reinjured himself.

snowspot66
12-06-2009, 11:09 PM
I don't think we catch SD
Rivers is 15-0 in Dec in his career and SD is cruising right now
Win both home games and we have a real good shot at the WC

At Dallas, Cinci, at Tennessee, Washington is not a walk in the park for a team that really only has a stellar passing game and is average at it's best in the other aspects of the game. I think they lose 2.

Kaylore
12-06-2009, 11:29 PM
I think we can definitely make the playoffs. I've been waiting to see a Bronco team that plays physical and tough in December for a long time and it finally looks like we might have one. The Chiefs are no barometer, but next week and @ Philly will let us know for sure. Regardless I am very happy with the direction of the team and am grateful we made the changes we did.

Just think we could be 3-9 right now with Cutler's 20 ints and Slowick's lame-ass defense giving up 40 points a game with stupid Jamie Winborn dancing around and the season over before it got started.

broncocalijohn
12-06-2009, 11:32 PM
I think SD is one of the hottest teams right now but those 4 games are not gimmes. Cinci and At tennessee is their toughest part. At Dallas being their next and then Washington but they are playing better ball and that cannot be taken lightly (just like Raiders at Denver). I dont think Denver needs to beat the Colts. Just play a big time, controlled running game and the Broncos have a realistic chance at beating them. COlts have not been dominate this last 5 weeks. SF with two very lucky Houston wins would have this team in the loss column. Manning is everything to this game. 4th Quarter might be what wins the game next week. Orton vs Manning. Our D needs to play like they did in the first 6 weeks. They do that, we got ourselves a game and possible victory.

cutthemdown
12-06-2009, 11:49 PM
Maybe a game like in 2003? run it right at them...

We will have to run, throw high % throws, and keep ball away from manning.

Blitzing him almost useless. You just have to pick and choose and when you do blitz it has to come late and be disguised or he will hit the outlet or free man in 2 seconds.

cutthemdown
12-06-2009, 11:50 PM
I think SD is one of the hottest teams right now but those 4 games are not gimmes. Cinci and At tennessee is their toughest part. At Dallas being their next and then Washington but they are playing better ball and that cannot be taken lightly (just like Raiders at Denver). I dont think Denver needs to beat the Colts. Just play a big time, controlled running game and the Broncos have a realistic chance at beating them. COlts have not been dominate this last 5 weeks. SF with two very lucky Houston wins would have this team in the loss column. Manning is everything to this game. 4th Quarter might be what wins the game next week. Orton vs Manning. Our D needs to play like they did in the first 6 weeks. They do that, we got ourselves a game and possible victory.

I could see Chris Johnson laying 150 yrds on the chargers. The matchup in the running game great for Cincy and Tenn IMO. Actually Dallas even has good size on the oline and some good rbs. All 3 of those teams can run on the chargers IMO.