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Popps
12-06-2009, 02:18 PM
Wasn't the prettiest win today, but got us to our win total from last year by week 12. (In reality, we were there last week if you discount the freebie from our buddy Ed H.)

Kudos to Bowlen and McDaniels, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. Like most, I was excited about our future but expected a much rockier road to an improved team.

12 games in, we've absolutely got an improved team, without question. We're playing a more complete brand of football, we're taking better care of the ball and we're doing the little things that we haven't done in quite some time.

Still a long way to go... today was very sloppy at times. But, this team gives it all every week and I'm proud to root for them.

Congrats to the entire organization, and now we gear up for something I think most of us couldn't have predicted for this season... a playoff run!


GO BRONCOS.



:thumbs:

Orange4Life
12-06-2009, 02:19 PM
I love this team

Hercules Rockefeller
12-06-2009, 02:26 PM
44-13, and the QB didn't even play that well today.

Bronx33
12-06-2009, 02:29 PM
44-13, and the QB didn't even play that well today.



Yes the cheaps suck that bad. ;D

Popps
12-06-2009, 02:30 PM
Where's Bob's "Are you scared" thread?

Do I have to bump everything around here?

KCStud
12-06-2009, 02:31 PM
Congrats on your SB win

DHallblows
12-06-2009, 02:35 PM
Congrats on your SB win

No, no, no, you're confused. A home game in December against Denver is your Super Bowl

Popps
12-06-2009, 02:35 PM
Congrats on your SB win

:rofl:

Dude, at least get your own material. 18 people have said that about KC this week. (This being their SB.)

Nice job showing up to honor D. Thomas, by the way. He deserved better than the slop your team crapped out there today. Pathetic.

alchemize
12-06-2009, 02:37 PM
Congrats on your SB winlol actually see Denver's superbowl win would be a superbowl win. Done it a couple times, plan to again :)

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 02:39 PM
Thank you Brian Dawkins!

KCStud
12-06-2009, 02:40 PM
:rofl:

Dude, at least get your own material. 18 people have said that about KC this week. (This being their SB.)

Nice job showing up to honor D. Thomas, by the way. He deserved better than the slop your team crapped out there today. Pathetic.

How about you get your own material correct? KC's SB was hands down against the Steelers.

Popps
12-06-2009, 02:46 PM
How about you get your own material correct? KC's SB was hands down against the Steelers.

Whatever.




Later loser.

Sassy
12-06-2009, 02:49 PM
44 points, with a two fumbles and an int by Orton...just think if it would have been a "pretty" win LOL!

Bronx33
12-06-2009, 02:52 PM
Congrats on your SB win


It suppose to be yours but thanks anyways.

NYBronco
12-06-2009, 02:52 PM
Congrats on your SB win

Thanks! I'll take that and our continued push to win the AFC West and into the playoffs. It was more than obvious who came to play today, SB or not.

outdoor_miner
12-06-2009, 02:52 PM
Congrats on your SB win

Yeah - I'm sure the players are popping the bubbly in the locker room right now!

cutthemdown
12-06-2009, 02:54 PM
How about you get your own material correct? KC's SB was hands down against the Steelers.

The stupid things you Chiefs fans try to argue is a joke. Chiefs stink, Broncos don't, get over it.

Once against Chiefs are not only bad, but among the worst of all NFL teams.

Hired the wrong coach
Signed the wrong QB
all point to another 5 yrs of crappy queef football.

That's ok maybe you will be able to argue your longsnapper is best in the league.

Bronco Warrior
12-06-2009, 02:58 PM
44-13, and the QB didn't even play that well today.

But Moreno, Buckhalter, Marshall, and yes Goodman and Hillis played awesome! Great team win!!

Bronco Warrior
12-06-2009, 03:00 PM
How about you get your own material correct? KC's SB was hands down against the Steelers.

Your dumbass Fan mate Bob said this was your KC Super Bowl not any of us!
Douchetasteslikewhat KC?

Popps
12-06-2009, 03:09 PM
By the way, just for equal time... if anyone wants to disregard the win and trash Moreno and the coaching staff, Taco and Dragster are moaning up a storm on the Hillis thread.

Taco John
12-06-2009, 03:15 PM
Disregard the win? The funhouse mirror action never stops!

I guess it's true to some degree though. We fumbled the ball twice and threw one INT and still utterly demolished the Chiefs. I already started thinking ahead to the Colts game next week by the end of the third quarter. My disregard for this win - if you can call it that (I don't disregard this win, but why fight the fun house mirror when I can just roll with it) - has more to do with who the Chiefs are vs. who the Colts are, and my desire to see the Broncos knock the Colts off their block. And indeed, I think we're going to need to see more of Hillis to do that, especially if Kyle has a game like he had today. Indy isn't going to be so forgiving of that kind of stuff.

But I'm on board with any coach who can walk out of Arrowhead with a win like that.

Rohirrim
12-06-2009, 03:18 PM
Nice to see that the Broncos can put out a 50% effort and still put 44 points on the Chefs in their own house. If they try that against the Colts it will be 44 the other way. Orton displayed the pocket awareness of a rookie today (a triple pump inside the 5? Pleeze). The tackling was dismal for much of the game. Fortunately, the Chefs uber-suck so it didn't matter. BTW, where did they find that WR Ware? There must be plenty of WRs on practice squads around the league that are better than that.

Beantown Bronco
12-06-2009, 03:21 PM
We fumbled the ball twice and threw one INT and still utterly demolished the Chiefs.

This is my favorite part. Who would've thought we would have our most dominant win in a long time in a game where Orton was doing his best Simms impersonation?

crazyhorse
12-06-2009, 03:29 PM
Nice to see that the Broncos can put out a 50% effort and still put 44 points on the Chefs in their own house. If they try that against the Colts it will be 44 the other way. Orton displayed the pocket awareness of a rookie today (a triple pump inside the 5? Pleeze). The tackling was dismal for much of the game. Fortunately, the Chefs uber-suck so it didn't matter. BTW, where did they find that WR Ware? There must be plenty of WRs on practice squads around the league that are better than that.

It's Wade, and I couldn't agree with you more. The closest thing to a WR that we had to throw to today were Bronco DBs.

Popps
12-06-2009, 03:31 PM
It's Wade, and I couldn't agree with you more. The closest thing to a WR that we had to throw to today were Bronco DBs.

Bowe and Chambers on the same field should at least present good match-ups on paper. (When he returns.) But, both of those guys are head-cases. So, you'd better hire a team shrink if you want any production.

Mogulseeker
12-06-2009, 03:50 PM
The stupid things you Chiefs fans try to argue is a joke. Chiefs stink, Broncos don't, get over it.

Once against Chiefs are not only bad, but among the worst of all NFL teams.

Hired the wrong coach
Signed the wrong QB
all point to another 5 yrs of crappy queef football.

That's ok maybe you will be able to argue your longsnapper is best in the league.

It's going to be hard for the Chefs to get over the $63mil they gave Cassel. Might be a bit much.

loborugger
12-06-2009, 03:57 PM
I am still a little concerned with the fact that over the last 2 games we have had to settle for too many FGs vs TDs. Our final score vs NYG shoulda been in the 30s, and against KC shoulda been in the 50s. Against better teams, settling for FGs instead of TDs could be the difference in the game.

Sassy
12-06-2009, 04:01 PM
It's going to be hard for the Chefs to get over the $63mil they gave Cassel. Might be a bit much.

I wonder if McD still wants Cassel ;D

dsmoot
12-06-2009, 04:10 PM
I am still a little concerned with the fact that over the last 2 games we have had to settle for too many FGs vs TDs. Our final score vs NYG shoulda been in the 30s, and against KC shoulda been in the 50s. Against better teams, settling for FGs instead of TDs could be the difference in the game.

We absolutely will not win settling for FG's in Indy

Kaylore
12-06-2009, 04:14 PM
We're officially better than last year! They're already better than last year and have exceeded my expectations. Looks like McDaniels will keep his record intact of never having a losing season.

Popps
12-06-2009, 05:12 PM
We're officially better than last year! They're already better than last year and have exceeded my expectations. Looks like McDaniels will keep his record intact of never having a losing season.

Exactly.

Not only are we a better team, but I honestly feel like we haven't even hit stride yet. The offense is still finding its way, and the defense is getting better as the season goes along.

Should be a fun finish, and hopefully some nice momentum into the off-season, which is exactly what we've needed.

Imagine this team with a couple of key FA and draft additions....


:strong:

Bronx33
12-06-2009, 05:16 PM
where are the cornelbeefs/lex/haters club international types?

Popps
12-06-2009, 05:25 PM
where are the cornelbeefs/lex/haters club international types?

We've got a very difficult match-up next week and in reality, we'll probably struggle if we don't bring our A+ game.

Don't worry, if we lose... they'll be out in force.

Still, you've got Taco and the usual suspects bashing coaches for not getting Hillis enough carries on another thread... so, the whining will continue this week, regardless of the win.

But, most fans should be (and probably are) damned stoked with this team and the future.

TonyR
12-06-2009, 05:32 PM
where are the cornelbeefs/lex/haters club international types?

They'll be around to criticize Orton, who certainly didn't have his best day. lex should be thrilled with the rushing attack today since he likes to piss and moan about the NE offense throwing the ball too much.

BlaK-Argentina
12-06-2009, 05:36 PM
I bet this is killing some people.

Way to go Broncos!

Popps
12-06-2009, 05:45 PM
They'll be around to criticize Orton, who certainly didn't have his best day. lex should be thrilled with the rushing attack today since he likes to piss and moan about the NE offense throwing the ball too much.

I would have liked to see a few more calls where Orton got rid of the ball more quickly. I feel like we're using plays that take a while to develop, and teams are sending guys after Orton. I'm hoping we throw some quick-hit type stuff early next week to keep Indy honest.

BroncoInferno
12-06-2009, 05:51 PM
Disregard the win? The funhouse mirror action never stops!

I guess it's true to some degree though. We fumbled the ball twice and threw one INT and still utterly demolished the Chiefs. I already started thinking ahead to the Colts game next week by the end of the third quarter. My disregard for this win - if you can call it that (I don't disregard this win, but why fight the fun house mirror when I can just roll with it) - has more to do with who the Chiefs are vs. who the Colts are, and my desire to see the Broncos knock the Colts off their block. And indeed, I think we're going to need to see more of Hillis to do that, especially if Kyle has a game like he had today. Indy isn't going to be so forgiving of that kind of stuff.

But I'm on board with any coach who can walk out of Arrowhead with a win like that.

Moreno and Buckhalter combined for 199 yards on 34 carries and 2 TDs and the lesson you take from that is we need to see more of a guy who looked good in garbage time? You crack me up, Taco Hilarious!

Durango
12-06-2009, 05:51 PM
I wonder if McD still wants Cassel ;D

I would bet that he does. Fact is, Cassel was plagued by dropped passes today, including two blown coverages that could've gone the distance. The Chiefs do stink on the whole, but he seems like a player they can start to build something around, offensively at least.

crush17
12-06-2009, 06:28 PM
Moreno and Buckhalter combined for 199 yards on 34 carries and 2 TDs and the lesson you take from that is we need to see more of a guy who looked good in garbage time? You crack me up, Taco Hilarious!

LOL


I mean, come on guy....

Popps
12-06-2009, 06:59 PM
LOL


I mean, come on guy....

Taco has had many idiotic campaigns since this site was formed, but this may be his silliest. It's so silly, you have to wonder if this is one of his faux-arguments to build traffic.

Now, the DragGuy69 dude.... he's dead-serious. He couldn't care less if this team won. I'm fairly sure it's Hillis' mom.

Popps
12-06-2009, 07:27 PM
I wonder if McD still wants Cassel ;D

I actually think Cassel has talent.

Imagine Orton in KC. It might not be pretty.

QBs have to have skills, and they need a decent system around them. Hard to make an argument for Cassel having the latter.

Rock Chalk
12-06-2009, 07:39 PM
We absolutely will not win settling for FG's in Indy

We scored 4 offensive touchdowns today and 3 field goals + added a defensive touchdown.

If Denver cannot beat Indy with a 4 TD, 3 FG performance, they dont belong anywhere near the Elite teams.

BroncoInferno
12-06-2009, 07:43 PM
Taco has had many idiotic campaigns since this site was formed, but this may be his silliest.

Nah, he will be hard pressed to top the laughable inanity that was his chart that "proved" Jake Plummer was to blame for a blowout playoff loss to the Colts because he didn't lead an 8 minute scoring drive on every possession.

TheReverend
12-06-2009, 09:08 PM
We scored 4 offensive touchdowns today and 3 field goals + added a defensive touchdown.

If Denver cannot beat Indy with a 4 TD, 3 FG performance, they dont belong anywhere near the Elite teams.

I'd be shocked in the best of ways if we managed that kind of offensive production next week against Indy.

Popps
12-06-2009, 09:13 PM
We scored 4 offensive touchdowns today and 3 field goals + added a defensive touchdown.

If Denver cannot beat Indy with a 4 TD, 3 FG performance, they dont belong anywhere near the Elite teams.

I think the point is that we'll need a better performance next week to win, and we won't get near as much help as K.C. gave us.

It's going to be tough.

bpc
12-06-2009, 10:48 PM
We gotta win next week to have a legit chance at the playoffs. Ultimately Orton will be the anchor that halts this season. Sad, but true.

Los Broncos
12-06-2009, 10:52 PM
Not pretty? come on Popps, we crushed them!

Anyways, I am happy with this team, before the season I had lost a little faith.

baja
12-06-2009, 10:53 PM
Chris - We gotta win next week to have a legit chance at the playoffs. Ultimately Orton will be the anchor that halts this season. Sad, but true.

Orton has some serious physical limitations but he has shone flashes of being very capable to do just enough for this team to win consistently. I admit i don't think he is as good as I thought after 6 games but he is not as bad as you make him to be.

Rock Chalk
12-06-2009, 10:55 PM
We gotta win next week to have a legit chance at the playoffs. Ultimately Orton will be the anchor that halts this season. Sad, but true.

No we dont you moron.

Have you even bothered to look at the rest of the teams in teh playoff race and their schedules?

We are two games up on Pitt, a game and a half on baltimore. Neither of those teams is winning out, as 1) they have to play each other again and 2) both ahve brutal schedules.

Jacksonville also is not winning out.

Which means, 11-5, or one more loss, still pretty much ensures Denver a playoff spot.

Ultimately, you ahve been dead ****ing wrong in everything you say Chris. You are the ultimate idiot on this board and its amazing that you have the balls to continue to post here.

outdoor_miner
12-06-2009, 10:57 PM
We gotta win next week to have a legit chance at the playoffs.

Huh?

cutthemdown
12-06-2009, 10:58 PM
I think the point is that we'll need a better performance next week to win, and we won't get near as much help as K.C. gave us.

It's going to be tough.

Hard to compare a division road game to a conference game but I feel ya.

Indy 10 times the team KC is. We need 0 fumbles, 0 int to really have a good shot at beating them.

Rock Chalk
12-06-2009, 10:59 PM
I think the point is that we'll need a better performance next week to win, and we won't get near as much help as K.C. gave us.

It's going to be tough.

Im sorry Popps.

But if we get 245 yards rushing and 168 yards passing against teh Colts next week and dont win we dont belong in the playoffs.

The fumbles? Sucked. The int? About 3 inches too low. Everything else about that game was ****ing awesome.

TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY FIVE YARDS RUSHING.

We dont have to play better than we did against KC to win the game in Indy. If our offense is clicking, EVEN WITH ITS FLAWS, like it did against KC, we are going to kill Indy.

What part of OFFENSE do you people not understand? Its not ALL the QB and passing yards. 245 yards rushing is a monstrous game and to me, thats pure beauty. This was by far Denver's best offensive performance since 2005, maybe even since Griese.

44 points in Narrowhead stadium in December? Do you people realize that in the 50 year history of playing those ****ing Mullets, that is the MOST POINTS EVER SCORED BY ANY DENVER TEAM IN ARROWHEAD AT ANY TIME OF YEAR?

And "it wasnt pretty"? What the **** are you smoking.

Popps
12-06-2009, 11:08 PM
Im sorry Popps.

But if we get 245 yards rushing and 168 yards passing against teh Colts next week and dont win we dont belong in the playoffs..

I agree, and that really wasn't the point I was making.


The fumbles? Sucked. The int? About 3 inches too low. Everything else about that game was ****ing awesome..

Agree... but we had some breakdowns today. KC was just so awful, they never took advantage of them. (Manning would have hit Wade in stride, for example.) We had a red-zone turnover and a couple of fumbles.



What part of OFFENSE do you people not understand? Its not ALL the QB and passing yards. 245 yards rushing is a monstrous game and to me, thats pure beauty..

Dude, think about who you're talking to. Has anyone championed that theory on this board more than I have?


And "it wasnt pretty"? What the **** are you smoking.


It was a great game. I fuggin' loved it. We did some great things. Our defense was stout, and Moreno/Buck kicked ass, along with our O-line.

But, we had some issues that against a better team, would have been exploited.

Point being, we destroyed the chefs with what I think wasn't our best effort. I think we'll NEED our best effort to win next week.

That's all I'm saying.

Chill.

houghtam
12-06-2009, 11:09 PM
How about you get your own material correct? KC's SB was hands down against the Steelers.

That's assuming you'd win a SB.

broncocalijohn
12-06-2009, 11:23 PM
Taco has had many idiotic campaigns since this site was formed, but this may be his silliest. It's so silly, you have to wonder if this is one of his faux-arguments to build traffic.

Now, the DragGuy69 dude.... he's dead-serious. He couldn't care less if this team won. I'm fairly sure it's Hillis' mom.

Maybe it is BW or his friend. After all, he also uses the "69" but BW uses it in social networking to get the scanks.

Bronco Yoda
12-06-2009, 11:25 PM
As sloppy as this game was at times, it was just beautiful overall. I can't ever recall such a beatdown in Mulletville. And all this with fumbles, costly INT, too many FG's.

We could have put up a 60 Burger if we had had all our ducks in a row. LMAO! But I'll take 44!

SonOfLe-loLang
12-07-2009, 12:08 AM
Im sorry Popps.

But if we get 245 yards rushing and 168 yards passing against teh Colts next week and dont win we dont belong in the playoffs.

The fumbles? Sucked. The int? About 3 inches too low. Everything else about that game was ****ing awesome.

TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY FIVE YARDS RUSHING.

We dont have to play better than we did against KC to win the game in Indy. If our offense is clicking, EVEN WITH ITS FLAWS, like it did against KC, we are going to kill Indy.

What part of OFFENSE do you people not understand? Its not ALL the QB and passing yards. 245 yards rushing is a monstrous game and to me, thats pure beauty. This was by far Denver's best offensive performance since 2005, maybe even since Griese.

44 points in Narrowhead stadium in December? Do you people realize that in the 50 year history of playing those ****ing Mullets, that is the MOST POINTS EVER SCORED BY ANY DENVER TEAM IN ARROWHEAD AT ANY TIME OF YEAR?

And "it wasnt pretty"? What the **** are you smoking.

I with Alec on this one. A bunch of people are claiming we played ****ty. You don't win 44-13 while playing ****ty. No team plays a flawless game, and we were not flawless today, but we certainly did a lot more right than we did wrong. Hard to please, you people.

Hulamau
12-07-2009, 12:33 AM
By the way, just for equal time... if anyone wants to disregard the win and trash Moreno and the coaching staff, Taco and Dragster are moaning up a storm on the Hillis thread.

Hillis looked great today .... in clean up duty. I figured he'd start to get a chance as the season wears on and Josh tries to keep M and Buck fresh as he can.

The question is how will he look against a team when they are still trying and playing for a win? I didn't see a lot of motivation in the KC defense for sticking their head in front of a 245 pound buzz saw with a couple minutes left and down by 31.

Am sure Hillis can continue to do well and contribute , especially as a 3rd down short yardage/goal-line guy as well, or just as a nice change up for Buck and Knowshon but noway he scores on that 4th and one where Knowshon turned on that after burners around the end and threw it into high gear for the 18 yard TD.

Hillis likely would have gotten the first though at the least, maybe gone on to help pound it in for the score. But that was a sick run by Moreno, flat out no stoppin' him!

In any event, its a nice dilemma to have ... which really good running back gets to play more :-). One I'm sure many teams would love to cry about including KC.

uplink
12-07-2009, 12:40 AM
never as good as you look on good Sundays or as bad as you look on bad Sundays

If the KC receivers could catch the game could have been closer IMO.
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cutthemdown
12-07-2009, 12:40 AM
If Hillis came on end of yr as a short yrdage, goal line RB that would be huge for Broncos. I'm confident that Broncos coaching staff isn't stupid or stubborn. IMO if they see that potential being there they will use it.

cutthemdown
12-07-2009, 12:43 AM
never as good as you look on good Sundays or as bad as you look on bad Sundays

If the KC receivers could catch the game could have been closer IMO.
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IMO you rarely see a game this lopsided unless the other team was crappy. Blowouts are almost always more the other team stinking, rather then winning team being all that.

Chiefs play that bad and probably 10-15 teams in the NFL would whip them like that.

You saw it week before with Chargers. Now with Broncos. Chiefs just a horrible team with very few good players on it. The worst you get the more you fail at developing good players.

I do think Tambi looked good today though. Surprising because Clady is better then him IMO.

enjolras
12-07-2009, 12:50 AM
IMO you rarely see a game this lopsided unless the other team was crappy. Blowouts are almost always more the other team stinking, rather then winning team being all that.

Well, New Orleans blew out New England:)

But ya, in this case the Chefs are just terrible. Comically bad really. Detroit Lines bad. Pittsburgh Pirates bad. Team F in my little league basketball league bad.

The Broncos have played very well the last two weeks. If they bring that to Indy, they no doubt have a chance.

cutthemdown
12-07-2009, 01:00 AM
Well, New Orleans blew out New England:)

But ya, in this case the Chefs are just terrible. Comically bad really. Detroit Lines bad. Pittsburgh Pirates bad. Team F in my little league basketball league bad.

The Broncos have played very well the last two weeks. If they bring that to Indy, they no doubt have a chance.

New Orleans might just be one of those teams who can blow anyone out. They are that explosive.

bpc
12-07-2009, 01:08 AM
No we dont you moron.

Have you even bothered to look at the rest of the teams in teh playoff race and their schedules?

We are two games up on Pitt, a game and a half on baltimore. Neither of those teams is winning out, as 1) they have to play each other again and 2) both ahve brutal schedules.

Jacksonville also is not winning out.

Which means, 11-5, or one more loss, still pretty much ensures Denver a playoff spot.

Ultimately, you ahve been dead ****ing wrong in everything you say Chris. You are the ultimate idiot on this board and its amazing that you have the balls to continue to post here.

Baltimore - (6-5), @GB, Det, Chi, @Pitt, @Oak - They win tomorrow, they have a good shot at winning the next four given how the Steelers are tailing off. That gives them the tie breaker over us.

Jacksonville - (7-5) Miami, Indy (Indy's probably sitting their regulars by this point, @NE, @ Cleveland. Currently Jax has a 6-2 conference record, better than ours.

They both win out, which is a possibility and we lose to Indy, Philly, or both, and we're SOL.

Jock Talk, I knew you were butt ****ing ugly, and ignorant as all hell but it seems simple math escapes you as a well.

Popps
12-07-2009, 01:30 AM
We gotta win next week to have a legit chance at the playoffs. Ultimately Orton will be the anchor that halts this season. Sad, but true.

Wow, absolutely pathetic. Then again, you're the same guy who told us Cutler was going to have a huge season in Chicago. Ha!


As I've said before, Chris... I just have no idea why you bother. Just go find another team to root for. You can't even pretend to be happy we won.

Seriously... I just can't imagine why you'd bother with all of this.

BroncoDoug
12-07-2009, 01:40 AM
How about you get your own material correct? KC's SB was hands down against the Steelers.

So let me try to figure this out. You're saying that KC's biggest game, their Super Bowl, that they get up for is a week 11 match up, in which KC's is hoping to get win #3? While for the other 31 teams in the NFL, their biggest game and "Super Bowl" is (as McD would put it) THE ACTUAL MOTHER ****ING SUPER BOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a pathetic joke of a franchise and even bigger joke of a fan base, GTFO and stay out!

BroncoInferno
12-07-2009, 08:13 AM
Ultimately Orton will be the anchor that halts this season. Sad, but true.

Thankfully, we don't have to rely on Cutler anymore; otherwise, we would already be out of the race by now.

BroncoInferno
12-07-2009, 08:15 AM
Wow, absolutely pathetic. Then again, you're the same guy who told us Cutler was going to have a huge season in Chicago. Ha!


As I've said before, Chris... I just have no idea why you bother. Just go find another team to root for. You can't even pretend to be happy we won.

Seriously... I just can't imagine why you'd bother with all of this.

Yeah, he's gotten pathetic. He said in some thread before the Giants game that we were gonna be 6-7 before we won another game. I hope he keeps making predictions, because so far this season the exact opposite of his negative prognostications occurs.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-07-2009, 09:01 AM
We already had our Super Bowl against the Steelers.

By the way, you will all be cursing Orton's name come playoff time. Odds are you will fall to Manning again...tradition!

These sour grapes taste great!

cutthemdown
12-07-2009, 09:06 AM
Broncos can run it on the colts. The colts a fast defense that has forced a lot of turnovers. That has kept teams from scoring but they have moved the ball. IMO we can run at Freeny and Mathis. The OLB aren't very big either.

Best chance we have is to run run run run and play keep away from Manning who know can't really be stopped. He has thrown about 10 picks this yr though so maybe we can get one from him.

Lev Vyvanse
12-07-2009, 09:11 AM
We already had our Super Bowl against the Steelers.

By the way, you will all be cursing Orton's name come playoff time. Odds are you will fall to Manning again...tradition!

These sour grapes taste great!



Considering all of that...considering our game against you at Arrowhead is ALWAYS our Super Bowl...aren't you just a teeny, tiny bit scared the Chiefs might knock the Broncos out of the playoffs by playing spoiler?


Wow, that changed pretty quick.

oubronco
12-07-2009, 09:12 AM
We already had our Super Bowl against the Steelers.

By the way, you will all be cursing Orton's name come playoff time. Odds are you will fall to Manning again...tradition!

These sour grapes taste great!

Look Boob the fatass master showed up LOL

how did you like Charles the best running back on the field yesterday he was stellar ROFL!

Bob's your Information Minister
12-07-2009, 09:20 AM
Broncos can run it on the colts. The colts a fast defense that has forced a lot of turnovers. That has kept teams from scoring but they have moved the ball. IMO we can run at Freeny and Mathis. The OLB aren't very big either.

Best chance we have is to run run run run and play keep away from Manning who know can't really be stopped. He has thrown about 10 picks this yr though so maybe we can get one from him.

Aw, that's cute.

Popps
12-07-2009, 09:22 AM
Aw, that's cute.

No, it's called hope, Lard-ass. Something chefs fans know nothing about.

We've got it, you don't.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-07-2009, 09:23 AM
No, it's called hope, Lard-ass. Something chefs fans know nothing about.

We've got it, you don't.

It's definitely hope.

http://www.fashion-stylist.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/image/RubySlippers.jpg

SonOfLe-loLang
12-07-2009, 09:26 AM
We already had our Super Bowl against the Steelers.

By the way, you will all be cursing Orton's name come playoff time. Odds are you will fall to Manning again...tradition!

These sour grapes taste great!

The only reason you claim to have had your super bowl against the steelers is because you happened to win. You cant have revisionist history. This was a big game for you guys for pride reasons and you got blown the **** out. Just admit it, ass.

bpc
12-07-2009, 09:41 AM
Wow, absolutely pathetic. Then again, you're the same guy who told us Cutler was going to have a huge season in Chicago. Ha!


As I've said before, Chris... I just have no idea why you bother. Just go find another team to root for. You can't even pretend to be happy we won.

Seriously... I just can't imagine why you'd bother with all of this.

What is wrong with this thought? We do need to beat Indy next week to have a chance at the playoffs. Look at our main competition, Baltimore and Jacksonville. They have the two major tie breakers over us so a loss by us and victories by them over the next two weeks puts them in the driver seat for the playoffs and us on the outside looking in.

The problem with this place now is if you say anything against McD, his chosen QB or anything critical, we're bad fans. And that's just laughable.

A couple statements by me:

1. I want the Broncos to win. I did predict Denver to be 6-7 after the Redskins debacle. I'm happy I was wrong and they managed to right the ship.
2. I appreciate what McDaniels has brought to Denver this year.
3. Knowshon has had a very average year but he's gotten better over the last several weeks. Buckhalter still outplayed him yesterday though.
4. Kyle Orton sucks ass. He's got a very small arm which is why he can't throw down the field consistently, hit the hash marks consistently, and he definitely doesn't have any pocket awareness, evident by his statue like holding of the ball when Tamba Hali was zig zagging around his butt and he continued to hold the ball. Poor, poor, poor performance. He's garbage. Does this make me a bad fan for saying this? My problem with the 2009 Broncos is our ****ty QB. Go ahead, call me a traitor and a bad fan for it because I don't lie up and drink the same koolaid you do.
5. As long as we have Kyle Orton as our QB, we will not win a championship or anything of significance.
6. I love our defense, especially Dumervil and Mike Nolan. They've carried our season thus far.

If ya'll don't like that, GTFO. I could care less. I don't spend much time worrying what a internet community thinks of my fanship and the way I support my squad.

Cito Pelon
12-07-2009, 10:02 AM
Yes the cheaps suck that bad. ;D

Jeez, they were horrible. Hopefully, Denver's players and coaches don't think they're all that good again like they did after 6-0. Indy is licking their chops right now, Denver better bring their A game or it's gonna be 44-13 Indy.

It was nice win, but Indy is a tiger where KC was a Yorky puppy. Indy can be beat and are due for a loss, but Denver better be prepared to play playoff-style football Sunday. Indy will surely be looking to go 13-0 and I'm sure would love to put a beatdown on the Broncs. And I bet they think they can.

BroncoDoug
12-07-2009, 10:10 AM
We already had our Super Bowl against the Steelers.

By the way, you will all be cursing Orton's name come playoff time. Odds are you will fall to Manning again...tradition!

These sour grapes taste great!

see post #66

and if the Chiefs would have been spanked by the steelers would that still be your superbowl, or would it have been your win against Washington?

ScottXray
12-07-2009, 10:14 AM
We already had our Super Bowl against the Steelers.

By the way, you will all be cursing Orton's name come playoff time. Odds are you will fall to Manning again...tradition!

These sour grapes taste great!

Come on Bob. You KNOW you want to PREDICT a Broncos blowout loss in INDY. Go ahead and say what you mean! We need your mojo!

By the way...it was a tradition for the Chiefs to beat the Broncos in Narrowhead in December, too.

Cito Pelon
12-07-2009, 10:16 AM
What is wrong with this thought? We do need to beat Indy next week to have a chance at the playoffs. Look at our main competition, Baltimore and Jacksonville. They have the two major tie breakers over us so a loss by us and victories by them over the next two weeks puts them in the driver seat for the playoffs and us on the outside looking in.

The problem with this place now is if you say anything against McD, his chosen QB or anything critical, we're bad fans. And that's just laughable.

A couple statements by me:

1. I want the Broncos to win. I did predict Denver to be 6-7 after the Redskins debacle. I'm happy I was wrong and they managed to right the ship.
2. I appreciate what McDaniels has brought to Denver this year.
3. Knowshon has had a very average year but he's gotten better over the last several weeks. Buckhalter still outplayed him yesterday though.
4. Kyle Orton sucks ass. He's got a very small arm which is why he can't throw down the field consistently, hit the hash marks consistently, and he definitely doesn't have any pocket awareness, evident by his statue like holding of the ball when Tamba Hali was zig zagging around his butt and he continued to hold the ball. Poor, poor, poor performance. He's garbage. Does this make me a bad fan for saying this? My problem with the 2009 Broncos is our ****ty QB. Go ahead, call me a traitor and a bad fan for it because I don't lie up and drink the same koolaid you do.
5. As long as we have Kyle Orton as our QB, we will not win a championship or anything of significance.
6. I love our defense, especially Dumervil and Mike Nolan. They've carried our season thus far.

If ya'll don't like that, GTFO. I could care less. I don't spend much time worrying what a internet community thinks of my fanship and the way I support my squad.

Good Lord, give it a rest. I've seen many a ****ty QB, and Orton is not one of them. He's a pretty solid starter.

BroncoDoug
12-07-2009, 10:28 AM
Good Lord, give it a rest. I've seen many a ****ty QB, and Orton is not one of them. He's a pretty solid starter.

no joke. Have you seen Jamarcus Russel?

Bob's your Information Minister
12-07-2009, 11:37 AM
There's little reason to believe the Colts wouldn't blow out a Denver team led by Kyle Orton.

Beantown Bronco
12-07-2009, 11:38 AM
There's little reason to believe the Colts wouldn't blow out a Denver team led by Kyle Orton.

There's little reason to believe you're not a virgin.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-07-2009, 11:51 AM
The day Kyle Orton beats Peyton Manning is the day I post a video of myself ****ing someone...

Tombstone RJ
12-07-2009, 11:54 AM
The day Kyle Orton beats Peyton Manning is the day I post a video of myself ****ing someone...

Please don't.

If the Broncos win, why don't you just come out of the closet and admit to everyone here that you have always loved the Broncos.

Of course, we'd probably push you back in the closet and lock the door, but at least you could sleep at night.

DBroncos4life
12-07-2009, 11:54 AM
The day Kyle Orton beats Peyton Manning is the day I post a video of myself ****ing someone...

I'd say the odds are better that Orton can beat Manning then someone letting you have sex with them, let alone film it so they can relive the horror.

Lev Vyvanse
12-07-2009, 11:57 AM
There's little reason to believe the Colts wouldn't blow out a Denver team led by Kyle Orton.

The kiss of death for Indy. Thank you.

DBroncos4life
12-07-2009, 11:58 AM
Also Bob Orton beat Manning in 08 29 to 13.

orangeatheist
12-07-2009, 12:06 PM
The day Kyle Orton beats Peyton Manning is the day I post a video of myself ****ing someone...

Ha ha ha...notice how he said "someone..."

Not his wife.

Not his girlfriend.

Not the chick next door.

Not some broad at work.

Someone.

So, could be:

His mom.

His grandmother.

A librarian.

A dog.

Cat.

Goldfish.

Someone.

Ha ha ha ha ha!

Rohirrim
12-07-2009, 12:09 PM
The day Kyle Orton beats Peyton Manning is the day I post a video of myself ****ing someone...

Pity the poor livestock.

Popps
12-07-2009, 12:13 PM
He's garbage. Does this make me a bad fan for saying this? .

Look, you wanked Jay Cutler for three years and promised us he'd be a success in Chicago this season, so forgive us if we all don't buy into your guarantee of Orton being garbage and the Broncos season being doomed.


Again, Chris... keeping some optimism and realism about our team doesn't mean anyone is "drinking kool-aid." No one has said Orton is a SB championship QB, but then again... who's to say he can't pull it off? You? Yea, and your predictions have done so well over the last year and change.

As someone else put it, it's amazing that you continue to preach your gloom and doom around here. I suppose if you crap out enough nonsense, you'll eventually be right about something. Then, I'm sure you'll trumpet yourself as the guy who predicted our season would end short of a SB.

You must be proud of yourself.

Good fan?

I don't know. Do good fans go on non-stop gloom and doom campaigns, ****ting all over people who are celebrating a win and giving props to the team for improving? Maybe so. Maybe I just don't understand what being a great fan is all about.


You're a ****ing broken record. You've been glaringly and embarrassingly wrong on almost every football-related issue for a year straight. Maybe it's time to take a break from telling the rest of the forum what idiots they are.

bpc
12-07-2009, 12:19 PM
Hey, if it means I'm the nudge pushing Denver towards a championship with my wrong projections than I'll keep posting my thoughts and you should be thankful for it.

The fact is, football is hard to predict. There are a lot of external factors. I'm confidant in my knowledge of the game and it will all come to a head sooner or later.

I'm not going to repost my thoughts over again but Cutler isn't as bad as he looks. Just a product of his environment. Unfortunately, you're thoughts will be true until he gets some help around him on the OL and with their coaches.

As for Orton, he stinks and this offense hasn't carried this team one single game this year with him at the helm. Our defense is the true reason why we're 8-4, why we started undefeated, and why we've won 2 in a row.

Once again, retarded internet opinion matters very little to me. IN the end, hopefully this defense can copy the 2000 Ravens and lead us to a super bowl. The QB will not be doing it.

Cito Pelon
12-07-2009, 12:20 PM
Look, you wanked Jay Cutler for three years and promised us he'd be a success in Chicago this season, so forgive us if we all don't buy into your guarantee of Orton being garbage and the Broncos season being doomed.


Again, Chris... keeping some optimism and realism about our team doesn't mean anyone is "drinking kool-aid." No one has said Orton is a SB championship QB, but then again... who's to say he can't pull it off? You? Yea, and your predictions have done so well over the last year and change.

As someone else put it, it's amazing that you continue to preach your gloom and doom around here. I suppose if you crap out enough nonsense, you'll eventually be right about something. Then, I'm sure you'll trumpet yourself as the guy who predicted our season would end short of a SB.

You must be proud of yourself.

Good fan?

I don't know. Do good fans go on non-stop gloom and doom campaigns, ****ting all over people who are celebrating a win and giving props to the team for improving? Maybe so. Maybe I just don't understand what being a great fan is all about.


You're a ****ing broken record. You've been glaringly and embarrassingly wrong on almost every football-related issue for a year straight. Maybe it's time to take a break from telling the rest of the forum what idiots they are.

Yup.

vancejohnson82
12-07-2009, 12:29 PM
Hey, if it means I'm the nudge pushing Denver towards a championship with my wrong projections than I'll keep posting my thoughts and you should be thankful for it.

The fact is, football is hard to predict. There are a lot of external factors. I'm confidant in my knowledge of the game and it will all come to a head sooner or later.

I'm not going to repost my thoughts over again but Cutler isn't as bad as he looks. Just a product of his environment. Unfortunately, you're thoughts will be true until he gets some help around him on the OL and with their coaches.

As for Orton, he stinks and this offense hasn't carried this team one single game this year with him at the helm. Our defense is the true reason why we're 8-4, why we started undefeated, and why we've won 2 in a row.

Once again, retarded internet opinion matters very little to me. IN the end, hopefully this defense can copy the 2000 Ravens and lead us to a super bowl. The QB will not be doing it.

Orton was a BIG reason we beat New England....

bpc
12-07-2009, 12:37 PM
Orton was a BIG reason we beat New England....

So who would you give the game ball to that game? Orton or our defense for shutting them out in the 2nd half?

Ha ha. This board is laughable. The Plummer apologists have found a new leader!

Orton's game is only good enough to take advantage of a good offensive line, numerous playmakers in the passing game and a offensive minded coach. As that is, he's still only thrown 14 TD passes. Average at best. His completion percentage is greatly aided by the fact that we throw bubble screens, and routes out of the backfield 1/3 of the time. If not, his completion percentage would be much closer to his Chicago level around 55%.

We need to find a few answers to our QB situation this offseason. It would be a shame to waste this great defensive effort we're putting forth in future years.

Popps
12-07-2009, 12:41 PM
As for Orton, he stinks .

See, if you claim to know football... and I believe you do, that's just a ****ing silly thing to say.

He's no Peyton Manning, but he certainly doesn't "stink."

He didn't rack up the W/L record he has by stinking. He's not a guy who will carry a team on his back, but either are a lot of winning QBs.

Can we do better at some point? Sure. Will that some point be this season? Of course not. So, why continue to bitch and moan about it? Probably because you're butt-hurt over being so wrong about Cutler. So, like the Griese folks around here who took out their frustration on Plummer, you're trashing a QB who has done nothing but come in and win games for us.

Orton doesn't stink. Is he a SB winner? Who knows. I'm not sure he's the long-term answer, but I wouldn't rule it out.

Analyzing a QB is an intricate process. You have to be able to look at throws like Orton made late in the New England and Dallas game (Royal) and understand what you're seeing. A "simple" 9 yard completion may not be as simple as you think. Knowing where to go with the ball at a time like that, and having the ability to zip it in there and seal a game is an intangible QB that winning QBs possess. Orton has CLEARLY demonstrated that he's got a host of winning intangibles.

Remember those years you spent arguing with me about Ashley Lelie, Chris? I told you then that it took more than having good speed... and when you're talking about the QB position, it goes MUCH deeper than just how hard he can throw a ball.

Orton may not be a franchise QB, and maybe not even an elite QB. (We'll see.) But, to say he "stinks" shows a real lack of understanding of what you're watching. That's bar-room, bush-league bull****. If you understand the game like you say you do, you wouldn't say things like that.

Popps
12-07-2009, 12:42 PM
Ha ha. This board is laughable. The Plummer apologists have found a new leader! .

Yea, just what I thought.

You're a bitter man, less interested in real analysis and Broncos victories and more interested in having a point proved "right."

Good luck with that. Enjoy the season. I can't imagine you possibly could.

vancejohnson82
12-07-2009, 12:43 PM
So who would you give the game ball to that game? Orton or our defense for shutting them out in the 2nd half?

Ha ha. This board is laughable. The Plummer apologists have found a new leader!

Orton's game is only good enough to take advantage of a good offensive line, numerous playmakers in the passing game and a offensive minded coach. As that is, he's still only thrown 14 TD passes. Average at best. His completion percentage is greatly aided by the fact that we throw bubble screens, and routes out of the backfield 1/3 of the time. If not, his completion percentage would be much closer to his Chicago level around 55%.

We need to find a few answers to our QB situation this offseason. It would be a shame to waste this great defensive effort we're putting forth in future years.

you're a joke....he throws for 330 yards and two touchdowns.....and even more impressive, he takes the offense down the field for 98 yards and a score in the 4th quarter to tie up the game and get it into overtime...yes, he would have gotten the game ball in my opinion

bpc
12-07-2009, 12:48 PM
Compared to what a team needs to win a super bowl, Orton stinks. It's a context thing.

In reality, Orton is just a plain jane player. He's not terrible. He's not great. He lacks a lot of the measurables to be great so it's no surprise that he's not. He has some moxy. I don't doubt that he's a hard worker. I'll give him credit on short throws on screens and to HB's. Not all QB's can throw those. My main criticism about Cutler is that he has a hard time taking the mustard off his arm and throwing a nice soft catchable ball out of the backfield in stride.

Still, let's not confuse a person who has always been back by a great defense as being something other than what he is. He's an average, marginal NFL QB. He's playing in a system that is set up to help him produce. He has weapons around him which will help him produce.

14td to 7 int's isn't really cutting it for me and it's my main reason why this team won't get very far in the playoffs if it gets there in the first place. That's yet to be seen. If we do make it to those destinations, it will be more for the fact that Nolan and our defense balled out of control on the opposition. Not hat Orton went crazy, throwing at an unstoppable rate.

I thought Orton looked very poor yesterday against a pathetic defense. Good thing our defense and rush game dominated. Hopefully that happens again this week against the Colts.

Beantown Bronco
12-07-2009, 12:56 PM
Orton has outplayed Tom Brady and Eli Manning this season. It's a good thing neither of those guys has any SB rings, right BPC?

bpc
12-07-2009, 12:59 PM
you're a joke....he throws for 330 yards and two touchdowns.....and even more impressive, he takes the offense down the field for 98 yards and a score in the 4th quarter to tie up the game and get it into overtime...yes, he would have gotten the game ball in my opinion

That game had more to do with Brady, Moss and Welker scoring 3 pts after halftime vs. what you are saying.

Did you even watch the game? The two touchdowns Orton garnered were AMAZING plays by Brandon Marshall more so than great throws by Kyle. Kyle threw the ball 48 TIMES. He averaged 6.9 ypc. He was sacked twice. No credit to the OL for keeping him largely untouched?

Keep those opinions coming. That was great analysis. Maybe go watch the game again?

Mr.Meanie
12-07-2009, 01:00 PM
So who would you give the game ball to that game? Orton or our defense for shutting them out in the 2nd half?

Ha ha. This board is laughable. The Plummer apologists have found a new leader!

Orton's game is only good enough to take advantage of a good offensive line, numerous playmakers in the passing game and a offensive minded coach. As that is, he's still only thrown 14 TD passes. Average at best. His completion percentage is greatly aided by the fact that we throw bubble screens, and routes out of the backfield 1/3 of the time. If not, his completion percentage would be much closer to his Chicago level around 55%.

We need to find a few answers to our QB situation this offseason. It would be a shame to waste this great defensive effort we're putting forth in future years.

Wouldn't that be the same argument for Cutler? You say he's a product of the system he is in, but the last 3 years he was in that exact same environment here and did nothing notable.

outdoor_miner
12-07-2009, 01:00 PM
Orton has outplayed Tom Brady and Eli Manning this season. It's a good thing neither of those guys has any SB rings, right BPC?

Whenever I see the arguments against Orton, Eli Manning is always the first guy I think of (not a scrub like Trent Dilfer). Eli may have a stronger arm, but I certainly don't see him being heads and shoulders above Orton. Eli needed a strong defense, and a good running game to win the Super Bowl. I think Orton could eventually do the same.

bpc
12-07-2009, 01:01 PM
Orton has outplayed Tom Brady and Eli Manning this season. It's a good thing neither of those guys has any SB rings, right BPC?

I think in your world QB's don't compete against external factors. Much like with the Bears, it's a great thing that Orton has a significant defense standing behind him spotting him shut outs, sacks and turnovers.

Archer81
12-07-2009, 01:02 PM
I think in your world QB's don't compete against external factors. Much like with the Bears, it's a great thing that Orton has a significant defense standing behind him spotting him shut outs, sacks and turnovers.


It also helps that Orton is not giving the ball away 20+ times a season, either.



:Broncos:

bpc
12-07-2009, 01:02 PM
Whenever I see the arguments against Orton, Eli Manning is always the first guy I think of (not a scrub like Trent Dilfer). Eli may have a stronger arm, but I certainly don't see him being heads and shoulders above Orton. Eli needed a strong defense, and a good running game to win the Super Bowl. I think Orton could eventually do the same.

For the record, ORTON WILL NEVER THROW A PASS LIKE THE ONE ELI THREW TO DAVID TYREE, WHICH EVENTUALLY WON THE GAME.

I don't even want to hear Orton compared to Eli. I'm not an Eli fan but he won a super bowl and showed that when he is on, he can shred you.

Archer81
12-07-2009, 01:04 PM
For the record, ORTON WILL NEVER THROW A PASS LIKE THE ONE ELI THREW TO DAVID TYREE, WHICH EVENTUALLY WON THE GAME.

I don't even want to hear Orton compared to Eli. I'm not an Eli fan but he won a super bowl and showed that when he is on, he can shred you.


The pass was wobbly, thrown high and Tyree had fingers like steel to weld that ball to his helmet when he hit the turf. Its a play you dont see from anybody, and if Eli throws that ball 10 times in the same situation, its doubtful he gets the same result every time.

:Broncos:

bpc
12-07-2009, 01:05 PM
It also helps that Orton is not giving the ball away 20+ times a season, either.



:Broncos:

There is a correlation with that and making the playoffs. His situation vs. Cutler's is very different though. Cutler never got to play with the lead last year outside of the first few games. He was often playing from behind and having to make a play.

Beantown Bronco
12-07-2009, 01:05 PM
I think in your world QB's don't compete against external factors. Much like with the Bears, it's a great thing that Orton has a significant defense standing behind him spotting him shut outs, sacks and turnovers.

So, he all of a sudden wouldn't have this SAME defense in the SB? Your argument keeps changing.

bpc
12-07-2009, 01:07 PM
The pass was wobbly, thrown high and Tyree had fingers like steel to weld that ball to his helmet when he hit the turf. Its a play you dont see from anybody, and if Eli throws that ball 10 times in the same situation, its doubtful he gets the same result every time.

:Broncos:

You must have missed the play in the pocket BEFORE the pass when he got away from 2 or 3 pass rushers, set up, and threw the ball. It's called pocket awareness, instincts, and being able to make a play. Sorry, Kyle couldn't have made 3 of the plays Eli made on that single throw. That will go down as one of the greatest plays in super bowl history. Kyle will be lucky if he ever scores one of those in a playoff game.

Archer81
12-07-2009, 01:08 PM
There is a correlation with that and making the playoffs. His situation vs. Cutler's is very different though. Cutler never got to play with the lead last year outside of the first few games. He was often playing from behind and having to make a play.


Thats not entirely true. 10 games out of 16 denver held a lead or tie at some point in the first half. Cutler forced throws when he didnt have to, and it put a suspect defense on the field more than it should have been.


:Broncos:

BroncoInferno
12-07-2009, 01:08 PM
4. Kyle Orton sucks ass. He's got a very small arm which is why he can't throw down the field consistently, hit the hash marks consistently, and he definitely doesn't have any pocket awareness, evident by his statue like holding of the ball when Tamba Hali was zig zagging around his butt and he continued to hold the ball. Poor, poor, poor performance. He's garbage. Does this make me a bad fan for saying this? My problem with the 2009 Broncos is our ****ty QB. Go ahead, call me a traitor and a bad fan for it because I don't lie up and drink the same koolaid you do.

It doesn't make you a bad fan, just stupid. Orton is not an elite QB by any means and does have shortcomings, but he is CLEARLY a solid starter by any measure. His numbers are solid if unspectacular. He has contributed to a team that is 8-4, 8-3 when he starts and he is 29-15 for his career. That's not a QB who "sucks ass", and it is stupid to say otherwise. And while Orton may not be a great QB, he has been worlds better than your butt-buddy Cutler this season. The guy is a turnover machine and has never won consistently anywhere he has ever played. But, yeah, I get it...Cutler loses but its everyones fault but his. Orton wins but it has nothing to do with his contributions. Such is the retarded state of your posts these days.

bpc
12-07-2009, 01:08 PM
So, he all of a sudden wouldn't have this SAME defense in the SB? Your argument keeps changing.

I don't even think you know what you're talking about. What?

Archer81
12-07-2009, 01:09 PM
You must have missed the play in the pocket BEFORE the pass when he got away from 2 or 3 pass rushers, set up, and threw the ball. It's called pocket awareness, instincts, and being able to make a play. Sorry, Kyle couldn't have made 3 of the plays Eli made on that single throw. That will go down as one of the greatest plays in super bowl history. Kyle will be lucky if he ever scores one of those in a playoff game.


I call that blind luck. It was a once in a lifetime play. Thats why its amazing, because clearly that is not something that happens every week. Like I said, if Eli had to do that 10 times in the same situation, does he make the same play every time?

:Broncos:

vancejohnson82
12-07-2009, 01:10 PM
For the record, ORTON WILL NEVER THROW A PASS LIKE THE ONE ELI THREW TO DAVID TYREE, WHICH EVENTUALLY WON THE GAME.

I don't even want to hear Orton compared to Eli. I'm not an Eli fan but he won a super bowl and showed that when he is on, he can shred you.

you mean a desperate heave under pressure that was basically a toss up??? Tyree gets credit for that catch because he went up and got the ball....pretty sure any of us could toss a ball 20 feet into the air and hope our guy comes down with it...he did a great job of avoiding the sack but the throw could EASILY be duplicated...and how can you give Eli credit for that and at teh same time not give Orton credit for the Brandon Marshall throws...they were the same thing...putting the ball in a position for your WR to make a play...you're just spouting off at the mouth on a lot of these things and looking foolish

and how can you NOT give Orton credit on the New England game....he took over the offense on that 98 yard drive and was calm, cool and efficient...something Cutler found very little success at

you're just a fan who is looking to complain about something right now...its strange. Orton has exceeded all expectation and obviously McDaniels knew what he was doing when he wanted to bring him specifically onto the team

do I watch the games? Yes....but unlike you I'm usually rooting for the team to win and I give credit to the guys that give us the best chance to do so...guys like Orton

bpc
12-07-2009, 01:10 PM
It doesn't make you a bad fan, just stupid. Orton is not an elite QB by any means and does have shortcomings, but he is CLEARLY a solid starter by any measure. His numbers are solid if unspectacular. He has contributed to a team that is 8-4, 8-3 when he starts and he is 29-15 for his career. That's not a QB who "sucks ass", and it is stupid to say otherwise. And while Orton may not be a great QB, he has been worlds better than your butt-buddy Cutler this season. The guy is a turnover machine and has never won consistently anywhere he has ever played.

We'll see. The situations have never been similar between the two. The thing I tell people is, let's see what happens in 4 or 5 years.

I've said that Jay is having a poor season. It's also a product of what's around him though.

Ultimately if he doesn't get an offensive line, doesn't have time to throw, he'll look poor, like he has been. If he doesn't have a defense which can protect a lead, he'll probably throw some interceptions. Just the way it is in the NFL. Yin and yang. Cause and effect.

BroncoInferno
12-07-2009, 01:12 PM
That game had more to do with Brady, Moss and Welker scoring 3 pts after halftime vs. what you are saying.

Did you even watch the game? The two touchdowns Orton garnered were AMAZING plays by Brandon Marshall more so than great throws by Kyle. Kyle threw the ball 48 TIMES. He averaged 6.9 ypc. He was sacked twice. No credit to the OL for keeping him largely untouched?

Keep those opinions coming. That was great analysis. Maybe go watch the game again?

Better than your retarded analysis that gives no credit at all for his clearly excellent game against the Pats, including clutch play that played a large part in our victory. It seems it was you who did not watch the game. But when it's your ass-buddy Cutler is stinking out the joint like he has most of the season, you trip over yourself making excuses for his ****ty play. Whatever. You are incapable of a reasoned take these days.

bpc
12-07-2009, 01:12 PM
you mean a desperate heave under pressure that was basically a toss up??? Tyree gets credit for that catch because he went up and got the ball....pretty sure any of us could toss a ball 20 feet into the air and hope our guy comes down with it...he did a great job of avoiding the sack but the throw could EASILY be duplicated...and how can you give Eli credit for that and at teh same time not give Orton credit for the Brandon Marshall throws...they were the same thing...putting the ball in a position for your WR to make a play...you're just spouting off at the mouth on a lot of these things and looking foolish

and how can you NOT give Orton credit on the New England game....he took over the offense on that 98 yard drive and was calm, cool and efficient...something Cutler found very little success at

you're just a fan who is looking to complain about something right now...its strange. Orton has exceeded all expectation and obviously McDaniels knew what he was doing when he wanted to bring him specifically onto the team

do I watch the games? Yes....but unlike you I'm usually rooting for the team to win and I give credit to the guys that give us the best chance to do so...guys like Orton

How has he exceeded expectations as a player? He's playing in a pass first offense and is barely averaging over a TD throw per game. That's very average in a McDaniels style offense. Given that we have talented WR's, we should have more TD passes than we do.

14-7 is very average TD/INT ratio for a QB. That of a marginal one which Orton is.

Cito Pelon
12-07-2009, 01:12 PM
So who would you give the game ball to that game? Orton or our defense for shutting them out in the 2nd half?

Ha ha. This board is laughable. The Plummer apologists have found a new leader!

Orton's game is only good enough to take advantage of a good offensive line, numerous playmakers in the passing game and a offensive minded coach. As that is, he's still only thrown 14 TD passes. Average at best. His completion percentage is greatly aided by the fact that we throw bubble screens, and routes out of the backfield 1/3 of the time. If not, his completion percentage would be much closer to his Chicago level around 55%.

We need to find a few answers to our QB situation this offseason. It would be a shame to waste this great defensive effort we're putting forth in future years.

Relax, bitch.

Mr.Meanie
12-07-2009, 01:13 PM
Orton's game is only good enough to take advantage of a good offensive line, numerous playmakers in the passing game and a offensive minded coach.

I've said that Jay is having a poor season. It's also a product of what's around him though.

Ultimately if he doesn't get an offensive line, doesn't have time to throw, he'll look poor, like he has been. If he doesn't have a defense which can protect a lead, he'll probably throw some interceptions. Just the way it is in the NFL. Yin and yang. Cause and effect.

Wait a second... so you're saying Orton needs an OL, WR's, playmakers and a good defense to play well... just like Cutler does?

bpc
12-07-2009, 01:15 PM
Better than your retarded analysis that gives no credit at all for his clearly excellent game against the Pats, including clutch play that played a large part in our victory. It seems it was you who did not watch the game. But when it's your ass-buddy Cutler is stinking out the joint like he has most of the season, you trip over yourself making excuses for his ****ty play. Whatever. You are incapable of a reasoned take these days.

I've given Orton his credit several times. He's average though. To call him anything other than that would be really biased.

Next you'll be telling me that his throw to Brandon Marshall to win the Dallas game was all him. ha ha.

What a joke.

Archer81
12-07-2009, 01:15 PM
How has he exceeded expectations as a player? He's playing in a pass first offense and is barely averaging over a TD throw per game. That's very average in a McDaniels style offense. Given that we have talented WR's, we should have more TD passes than we do.

14-7 is very average TD/INT ratio for a QB. That of a marginal one which Orton is.


What is 17-20 TD/INT ratio? Stellar?


:Broncos:

DBroncos4life
12-07-2009, 01:15 PM
Wait a second... so you're saying Orton needs an OL, WR's, playmakers and a good defense to play well... just like Cutler does?

Next thing you know BPC is going to try and convince us that football isn't a team sport.

BroncoInferno
12-07-2009, 01:16 PM
There is a correlation with that and making the playoffs. His situation vs. Cutler's is very different though. Cutler never got to play with the lead last year outside of the first few games. He was often playing from behind and having to make a play.

Classic. You make all the excuses in the world for Cutler playing ****ty and losing, but in a game where Kyle clearly played clutch against NE the credit goes to everyone but him. Your takes are have gotten so pathetic.

bpc
12-07-2009, 01:18 PM
Wait a second... so you're saying Orton needs an OL, WR's, playmakers and a good defense to play well... just like Cutler does?

Orton has always had a much better supporting cast vs. Jay.

Jay only got the benefit of a OL that could pass block and WR's that could make plays his 2nd full year as a starter. He never had a defense that could get him extra possessions or allow him to play with a lead.

Orton has always had all of the above. The Bears OL was decent before this year as evident by Jay and Forte's season vs. previous years. The Bears defense was a top 5 type unit before this season.

It's easy to be conservative when your defense is posting shut outs. It's a lot harder to make plays when you know the weight of the franchise is on your shoulders which is a burden Jay has had to bear since he came into the league.

I think in the end he'll be better for it. He needs help though.

bpc
12-07-2009, 01:20 PM
What is 17-20 TD/INT ratio? Stellar?


:Broncos:

Pretty poor. QB's need help. There's only a few QB's in history that can win despite talent. Elway was one. Not many others could.

Jay definitely can't win without help. Until he gets help, all of you guys can just mock him and laugh at him. Hey, good for you guys. You're smarter than everybody.

BroncoInferno
12-07-2009, 01:21 PM
I've given Orton his credit several times. He's average though. To call him anything other than that would be really biased.

Well, calling him "average" is a lot different than saying he "sucks ass", which you did earlier in the thread. JaMarcus Russell sucks ass. A QB with a lifetime 29-15 record and solid numbers this season does not "suck ass" by any reasonable standard.

Next you'll be telling me that his throw to Brandon Marshall to win the Dallas game was all him. ha ha.

Of course it wasn't all Orton. The line gave him time and Brandon made a great play on the ball. Orton also gets credit for his throw. See? Credit all around for a great play. Its you who takes anything positive Orton does and spins it as a negative. In your world, Marshall gets all the credit. He blocked for himself, threw the pass to himself, ran down the field, caught the ball, then ran for the score. Like I said...retarded.

What a joke.

Yes, your takes are a joke these days. A bad one, too.

bpc
12-07-2009, 01:21 PM
I call that blind luck. It was a once in a lifetime play. Thats why its amazing, because clearly that is not something that happens every week. Like I said, if Eli had to do that 10 times in the same situation, does he make the same play every time?

:Broncos:

Maybe not but I guarantee Orton never makes that play. 0/10.

Beantown Bronco
12-07-2009, 01:22 PM
I don't even think you know what you're talking about. What?

Here's the chain:

You said that we cannot get to or win a SB with Orton.
I said that he has outplayed other QBs that have won the SB.
You said that the defense was the reason why we won those games.
I said that he would have that very same defense in any playoff/SB run.

Make sense yet? I realize you are slow, but even Bob can follow this logic.

And one other thing. Do you have any idea what Orton's record is this year against teams that will probably end up making the playoffs? It's 4-1. Suck on that sweaty taint.

BroncoInferno
12-07-2009, 01:23 PM
I've said that Jay is having a poor season. It's also a product of what's around him though.

That's fine. That's a fair take. What I don't get is why you can't by the same token say, "Orton is having a solid season. It's a product in part of what's around him though." Doesn't that sound equally reasonable?

Cito Pelon
12-07-2009, 01:24 PM
How has he exceeded expectations as a player? He's playing in a pass first offense and is barely averaging over a TD throw per game. That's very average in a McDaniels style offense. Given that we have talented WR's, we should have more TD passes than we do.

14-7 is very average TD/INT ratio for a QB. That of a marginal one which Orton is.

Ah, STFU biotch. A 2-1 TD to INT ratio is a winning formula coupled with a good D and hopefully some better ST play.

Archer81
12-07-2009, 01:24 PM
Maybe not but I guarantee Orton never makes that play. 0/10.


You cannot concede the point about Eli and be emphatic about Orton never making the same hypothetical play. Thats intellectually dishonest.


:Broncos:

bpc
12-07-2009, 01:26 PM
Classic. You make all the excuses in the world for Cutler playing ****ty and losing, but in a game where Kyle clearly played clutch against NE the credit goes to everyone but him. Your takes are have gotten so pathetic.

Orton had a day that was to be expected of his position He plays in a passing offense. He threw it 48 times. He was sacked twice and his jersey was largely clean. The OL dominated the Patriots pass rush. He threw 2 TD's to BMarsh where Brandon made amazing plays to get TD's with catch and runs or just beat his guy on a jumpball. Not immaculate throws. BTW, the last drive for Brandon's TD was largely aided by a phantom taunting call which cost NE 15 crucial yds. Don't forget to tack that onto Kyle Orton's list of accolades. I'm sure he made that play TOO.

BroncoInferno
12-07-2009, 01:29 PM
The Bears OL was decent before this year as evident by Jay and Forte's season vs. previous years.

BS. The OL this season was supposed to be better because they added Pace and Chris Williams was returning from injury to play RT. In other words, the personnel was upgraded. Don't give me that crap that Orton had a better OL. From a personnel perspective, it was upgraded in the offseason.

The Bears defense was a top 5 type unit before this season.

Wrong. They were ranked 22nd last season.

bpc
12-07-2009, 01:29 PM
You cannot concede the point about Eli and be emphatic about Orton never making the same hypothetical play. Thats intellectually dishonest.


:Broncos:

No, that's factual football information by watching them play.

Eli has always had the ability passed down by the Manning family, albeit at a much lower level than Peyton. There was a reason why he was drafted #1 overall.

Orton has never showed me a play where he's overcome tremendous adversity to throw a strike like that. He attempted yesterday to avoid the rush, bought time and then had the audacity to throw across this body like he was Elway which led to our first turnover.

Orton is a average QB. A good college QB. Nothing more, nothing less. I hope this spurs him to go win a super bowl and prove me wrong. If he can do that, i'll buy his jersey and never talk bad about him again.

broncocalijohn
12-07-2009, 01:31 PM
Classic. You make all the excuses in the world for Cutler playing ****ty and losing, but in a game where Kyle clearly played clutch against NE the credit goes to everyone but him. Your takes are have gotten so pathetic.

you just noticed this about bpc? What is good for the goose isnt good for the gander in his world. In this thread he calls him ****ty then back tracks and calls him average. He picks out spots where Orton fails but never mentions his plays that make him better than "average". He is just like politics.

BroncoInferno
12-07-2009, 01:31 PM
Orton had a day that was to be expected of his position He plays in a passing offense. He threw it 48 times. He was sacked twice and his jersey was largely clean. The OL dominated the Patriots pass rush. He threw 2 TD's to BMarsh where Brandon made amazing plays to get TD's with catch and runs or just beat his guy on a jumpball. Not immaculate throws. BTW, the last drive for Brandon's TD was largely aided by a phantom taunting call which cost NE 15 crucial yds. Don't forget to tack that onto Kyle Orton's list of accolades. I'm sure he made that play TOO.

Yes, 15 yards out of 99. That's the only reason the drive happened. Great take.

Look, I don't care who the QB is, if he leads a 99 yard scoring drive in the 4th quarter against a quality opponent, that is clutch play. Period. You are being idiotic to say otherwise.

vancejohnson82
12-07-2009, 01:34 PM
Orton had a day that was to be expected of his position He plays in a passing offense. He threw it 48 times. He was sacked twice and his jersey was largely clean. The OL dominated the Patriots pass rush. He threw 2 TD's to BMarsh where Brandon made amazing plays to get TD's with catch and runs or just beat his guy on a jumpball. Not immaculate throws. BTW, the last drive for Brandon's TD was largely aided by a phantom taunting call which cost NE 15 crucial yds. Don't forget to tack that onto Kyle Orton's list of accolades. I'm sure he made that play TOO.

you're just being silly now...we don't have a pass heavy offense

Moreno is right outside the top 10 in rushing attempts...adn thats not even including Buckhalter's carries too

Orton has only thrown the ball 360 times or so....an average number

Archer81
12-07-2009, 01:38 PM
He never had a defense that could get him extra possessions or allow him to play with a lead.


This is not true.

Denver held leads or was tied in 12 games at some point in the first half (Oak, SD, NO, KC, TB, Jax, Atl, Oak, NYJ, KC, Car, Buffalo)

Jay is mistake prone. He has not improved in his ability to make reads, and that has not changed in Chicago. Jay is putting his offensive teammates in positions they can not succeed in. Clearly talent level is not an indicator, because you get the same results where ever Jay plays.

:Broncos:

chex
12-07-2009, 01:39 PM
Orton had a day that was to be expected of his position He plays in a passing offense. He threw it 48 times. He was sacked twice and his jersey was largely clean. The OL dominated the Patriots pass rush. He threw 2 TD's to BMarsh where Brandon made amazing plays to get TD's with catch and runs or just beat his guy on a jumpball. Not immaculate throws. BTW, the last drive for Brandon's TD was largely aided by a phantom taunting call which cost NE 15 crucial yds. Don't forget to tack that onto Kyle Orton's list of accolades. I'm sure he made that play TOO.

I can honestly say that I have never, ever seen a fan of the Broncos continually rationalize and/or knock the success of any of the players the way you do here.

Are you even a fan? Seriously.

It’s like, Kyle and the fans who support him should apologize for being lucky week in and week out. It seems like you can’t wait for him to fumble, get sacked, throw a pick, etc. so you can agonizingly overanalyze every fiber of it to make a point. Do you even hear yourself? Cutler is sucking ass this year, and losing games as often as he did here, yet you can’t seem to stop pulling excuses out of your ass to justify him. Even worse, you talk about the QB of your alleged favorite team like he kicked your dog or something, irrationally posting how everything good he does is not of his doing, and everything bad he does is because he just flat out sucks.

It must be killing you that this team is eons ahead of the Bears right now. I can only imagine how chalkboard-scratchingly irritating you would be if it were the reverse. So I guess to you, instead of being happy that your ‘favorite’ team is doing well and exceeding any and all expectations, you’d rather rationalize and apologize to the teams we’ve beaten for winning with Kyle Orton as QB.

Popps
12-07-2009, 01:41 PM
Jay only got the benefit of a OL that could pass block and WR's that could make plays his 2nd full year as a starter. He never had a defense that could get him extra possessions or allow him to play with a lead. .

Yea, only Jay threw the 2nd most picks in the league behind a great line.

This year, he's throwing less and still throwing INT after INT.


Now it's his defense's fault?


Anything else?

Archer81
12-07-2009, 01:44 PM
No, that's factual football information by watching them play.

Eli has always had the ability passed down by the Manning family, albeit at a much lower level than Peyton. There was a reason why he was drafted #1 overall.

Orton has never showed me a play where he's overcome tremendous adversity to throw a strike like that. He attempted yesterday to avoid the rush, bought time and then had the audacity to throw across this body like he was Elway which led to our first turnover.

Orton is a average QB. A good college QB. Nothing more, nothing less. I hope this spurs him to go win a super bowl and prove me wrong. If he can do that, i'll buy his jersey and never talk bad about him again.

1. The Eli play was not a "strike". It was lucky that he got the ball off, it was lucky Tyree trapped it against his helmet and it was lucky the play was not overturned in the replay booth.

2. Orton beat Cinci on a fluke play. Eli did the same vs NE. They have had the same situation come up in a game, with a fluke result.

3. I am sure Orton is pushing to prove to BPC on the OM that he can get to a superbowl. Its a career goal he has posted in his locker.

4. Orton wins. He won with the same players Jay is losing with in Chicago. whats changed besides the QB?

5. I dont recall Orton throwing across his body on the interception, he tried to thread it in over a linebacker and Sheffler went to the ground for the ball, Mike Brown stepped in the way...that happens. If Jay had done it I am sure it would have been sheffler's fault for not standing up to contest the INT.

:Broncos:

BigPlayShay
12-07-2009, 02:11 PM
The day Kyle Orton beats Peyton Manning is the day I post a video of myself ****ing someone...

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008090712/2008/REG1/bears@colts/analyze/box-score

But, no one wants to see that video, so you can keep it on your mom's camcorder and save her the embarrasment.

NeverBeenToDenver
12-07-2009, 02:37 PM
I've given Orton his credit several times. He's average though. To call him anything other than that would be really biased.

Next you'll be telling me that his throw to Brandon Marshall to win the Dallas game was all him. ha ha.

What a joke.

That was a terrific pass by Orton. Deceptively good. He knew who was running the route and threw it accordingly. I actually think Cutler couldn't make that play, the way it went down.

Kyle Orton, the most underrated skill position player in the NFL? I think it's arguable. The Bears would've been so, so, so much better off going with Orton all this time instead of forcing Rex's follibles. They'd still have their draft picks.

Cito Pelon
12-07-2009, 02:50 PM
Compared to what a team needs to win a super bowl, Orton stinks. It's a context thing. . . . . . ..

See, you have it back asswards - you're worried about the playoffs. I've played on many a team, and during the reg season you don't worry about the playoffs. You worry about winning the next game so you can make the playoffs.

Popps
12-07-2009, 05:54 PM
See, you have it back asswards - you're worried about the playoffs. I've played on many a team, and during the reg season you don't worry about the playoffs. You worry about winning the next game so you can make the playoffs.

It's just really disingenuous to yap all off-season about how we're going in the ****ter because we replaced Shanahan, and then when we improve... suddenly it's the Kyle Orton hatred show.

Which is it?

These bashers keep moving from reason to reason to hate the team. Take your pick...

1. We replaced Shanahan (The team improved)
2. We replaced Cutler (The QB play improved)
3. We drafted Moreno and signed Buck (The running game improved.)

Honestly, each time one of these clowns is shown to be incorrect, they jump ship to the next thing to bash on. I'd make a joke and say that they'll go after our training staff next, but they ALREADY have. ALSO incorrect.

These people call themselves "fans," and claim that they're just being "realistic."

Really? I thought "fan" was a derivative of the word "fanatic." I thought fans usually erred on the optimistic side.

I didn't realize that fans just **** on their team day and night, guaranteeing failure because they don't care for one of the 22 starters.

TonyR
12-07-2009, 07:56 PM
Orton has always had a much better supporting cast vs. Jay.

Cutler has basically the same supporting cast this year that Orton had last year, and yet Orton's Bears > Cutler's Bears.