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Pony Boy
12-06-2009, 09:39 AM
We want this guy in a Bronco uniform ......

At 6-4, 300 pounds, Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh is a beast and After The Texas Game, Ndamukong Suh For The Heisman Is a No-Brainer.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/303621-after-the-texas-game-ndamukong-suh-for-the-heisman-is-a-no-brainer

peacepipe
12-06-2009, 09:43 AM
We won't have a high enuogh draft pick to get him but if a miracle would happen, he could be for us what R. Seymour was for NE.

oubronco
12-06-2009, 09:45 AM
Yea but Powell was a force in college as well just saying

GoBroncos84
12-06-2009, 09:45 AM
Early mocks have him going in the top 5, some even have him number 1 overall. We won't be picking that high, but if he is available when we pick I'd love to have him

Kid A
12-06-2009, 09:47 AM
He's not getting past the 2nd pick. And I don't see us trading that much to move up. But he is a rare, rare talent at DT.

I really hope the Heisman voters show a shred of common sense and at least make him a finalist. If Colt McCoy goes to New York and Suh doesn't after last night, it's a complete joke.

Pony Boy
12-06-2009, 09:49 AM
This tells you how old I am but I haven't seen a guy that dominate on a college the field since Leroy Selmon ......

gyldenlove
12-06-2009, 09:57 AM
Suh will go in the top 8 no doubt about it. With Tebow laying a bit of a log yesterday and Suh just plain dominating he will go in the top 8 to a 4-3 team. My initial prediction is Detroit.

no-pseudo-fan
12-06-2009, 10:05 AM
Colt is a big physical QB and Suh treated him like his punk cellmate. Suh is a man.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-06-2009, 10:07 AM
Suh will go in the top 8 no doubt about it. With Tebow laying a bit of a log yesterday and Suh just plain dominating he will go in the top 8 to a 4-3 team. My initial prediction is Detroit.

Top 8? He's the first non-QB drafted.

GoHAM
12-06-2009, 10:12 AM
I'd be absolutely shocked if he's not one of the first three picks. He is an absolute beast.

elsid13
12-06-2009, 10:12 AM
Colt is a big physical QB and Suh treated him like his punk cellmate. Suh is a man.

I wouldn't call Colt a big physical QB. He is Jake Plummer without the hippy vibe.

Pony Boy
12-06-2009, 10:13 AM
Let's face it... the The Heisman should be changed to the best "OB or Running Back" ... Suh is the best college football player I've seen this year but has on chance at the trophy.

elsid13
12-06-2009, 10:15 AM
Let's face it... the The Heisman should be changed to the best "OB or Running Back" ... Suh is the best college football player I've seen this year but has on chance at the trophy.

It between him, Spiller or Gerhart. All three are better then who going to NYC.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-06-2009, 10:15 AM
Yea but Powell was a force in college as well just saying

uhhhh

ZachKC
12-06-2009, 10:18 AM
Colt is a big physical QB and Suh treated him like his punk cellmate. Suh is a man.

lol, what?

ludo21
12-06-2009, 10:26 AM
Gerhart for Heisman

Pony Boy
12-06-2009, 10:28 AM
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no-pseudo-fan
12-06-2009, 10:30 AM
lol, what?

He is no Brodie Croyle, but who is.

ZachKC
12-06-2009, 10:33 AM
He is no Brodie Croyle, but who is.

If you feel like posting this makes you feel better about not knowing what you are talking about then I hope it worked.

snowspot66
12-06-2009, 10:33 AM
He's 300 pounds? Almost looks like a linebacker. Damn that's a big boy.

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-06-2009, 10:37 AM
He's like the giant Tim Duncan of football players.

Broncoman13
12-06-2009, 10:37 AM
He's a top 5 pick maybe even a top 3. Many are saying he is the best to come out in the last decade. The good news, McCoy and Cody are still awesome as well. Think of it this way, Suh is another Warren Sapp caliber player. But, McCoy is another Tommie Harris and Cody another Pat Williams... not exactly hurting. Here is the part that really hurts, ALL of them are a world better than Alphonso Smith.

CJ Spiller, Berry, Mays, McCoy, Spikes, Cody, Suh, Locker, Clausen, Bradford, and Dez Bryant... sure would be nice to have the flexibility to draft both a DL and another skill position player (SPILLER, Locker, or Bryant). The Smith pick is looking worse and worse. Being a great kid (which Fonzie is) doesn't mean he was worth trading a first round pick in this incredibly loaded draft. The depth of blue chippers in this draft is incredible and is unmatched. McD screwed up.

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-06-2009, 10:39 AM
That's assuming they're all sure-things and there's money to pay for another 2 1st round picks. That's a hefty load.

Broncoman13
12-06-2009, 10:41 AM
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"You need to account for me or your quarterback's gonna have a little hurt!", Suh.

I love the attitude. Too bad he's going to the Raiders.

no-pseudo-fan
12-06-2009, 10:42 AM
If you feel like posting this makes you feel better about not knowing what you are talking about then I hope it worked.

Physical might of been the wrong word, mobile is better, but when it comes to QB's he is no dandy. He doesn't avoid contact. He brakes tackles.

Broncoman13
12-06-2009, 10:42 AM
That's assuming they're all sure-things and there's money to pay for another 2 1st round picks. That's a hefty load.

Yes b/c Smith has turned into a sure thing right? At this point the potential of those guys listed is greater than the production we've seen in Smith. Pretty easy logic... you follow'n?

KipCorrington25
12-06-2009, 10:47 AM
Nebraska players rarely make it in the NFL, go pull a list of the Top Ten picks that were busts, we had one here about, what, 18 years ago or whatever.

Drek
12-06-2009, 12:17 PM
Top 8? He's the first non-QB drafted.

Pretty much.

We should just be hoping that Gerald McCoy slides down to us as a result of Suh's emergence. McCoy would be a stud 3-4 DE himself.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 01:24 PM
Pretty much.

We should just be hoping that Gerald McCoy slides down to us as a result of Suh's emergence. McCoy would be a stud 3-4 DE himself.

Denver wont have a shot at any of those big names. We'll be too far down the board and we traded away our ammo for an undersized DB.

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-06-2009, 01:33 PM
That's the spirit! Be sure to ignore the fact that they traded away what will be the lower of the picks. Run with it!

hookemhess
12-06-2009, 01:37 PM
I wouldn't call Colt a big physical QB. He is Jake Plummer without the hippy vibe.

Terrible comparison.

Drek
12-06-2009, 01:53 PM
Denver wont have a shot at any of those big names. We'll be too far down the board and we traded away our ammo for an undersized DB.

That undersized DB is probably a better corner prospect than any of the guys who'll be available in this year's draft, FYI.

And there is a decent chance that McCoy slides to the 8-11 area, which is where Chicago very well might put us.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 01:58 PM
That undersized DB is probably a better corner prospect than any of the guys who'll be available in this year's draft, FYI.

And there is a decent chance that McCoy slides to the 8-11 area, which is where Chicago very well might put us.

IF Smith is better than any of this year's prospects, then I wouldnt expect any of them to be worth a first rounder either because Smith hasn't really shown that type of worth this season.

I think that we'll be drafting in the mid-to-low teens. McCoy wont be there.

elsid13
12-06-2009, 02:13 PM
Terrible comparison.

McCoy is very much like Plummer - same type of arm, similar mobility and size/speed. McCoy is just not as wacky, but he will be drafted in similar area of the draft

snowspot66
12-06-2009, 02:27 PM
IF Smith is better than any of this year's prospects, then I wouldnt expect any of them to be worth a first rounder either because Smith hasn't really shown that type of worth this season.

I think that we'll be drafting in the mid-to-low teens. McCoy wont be there.

We'll be drafting top ten. We went 7-9 and 8-8 and had the #12 each time.

The Bears will likely go 6-10. Considering how they played against the Rams today the Lions might be able to get them to 5-11. We'll get around #8 or #9. Maybe a little higher depending how the breaks go.

Dedhed
12-06-2009, 02:27 PM
Terrence Cody and Gerald McCoy are better prospects for the Broncos, and more realistically available where we're likely select.

Drek
12-06-2009, 02:29 PM
IF Smith is better than any of this year's prospects, then I wouldnt expect any of them to be worth a first rounder either because Smith hasn't really shown that type of worth this season.

I think that we'll be drafting in the mid-to-low teens. McCoy wont be there.

1. No, they shouldn't. Someone will because it'll be a 'need' pick and they'll regret it. But this is a bad CB class. You'd have better results drafting Berry and moving him to CB than taking one of the true CBs in this class.

2. Last year a 6-10 to 7-9 record landed you between picks 8 to 11. Chicago is currently 5-7 with their last four games against the Packers, @Ravens, Vikings, and @Lions. They barely eked out a win against the Rams in Chicago today. I'd say they've got at least two losses on that schedule, very possibly three. Historically that means we're probably getting at worst an early teens pick.

Doggcow
12-06-2009, 02:30 PM
Suh was an absolute beast I would love him in orange and blue.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 02:35 PM
1. No, they shouldn't. Someone will because it'll be a 'need' pick and they'll regret it. But this is a bad CB class. You'd have better results drafting Berry and moving him to CB than taking one of the true CBs in this class.

The fact that this is a bad DB class doesnt make the fact that we traded away a first round draft choice for a player who couldnt secure regular time in front of Jack Williams and the ghost of Ty Law. No matter which way you slice it, that trade was bad.

2. Last year a 6-10 to 7-9 record landed you between picks 8 to 11. Chicago is currently 5-7 with their last four games against the Packers, @Ravens, Vikings, and @Lions. They barely eked out a win against the Rams in Chicago today. I'd say they've got at least two losses on that schedule, very possibly three. Historically that means we're probably getting at worst an early teens pick.

I suspect that Chicago will get two of those games.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 02:37 PM
We'll be drafting top ten. We went 7-9 and 8-8 and had the #12 each time.

The Bears will likely go 6-10. Considering how they played against the Rams today the Lions might be able to get them to 5-11. We'll get around #8 or #9. Maybe a little higher depending how the breaks go.

It could work out that way. I'm just expecting the worst case scenario so that I'm not disappointed. Ha!

Dean
12-06-2009, 02:43 PM
That's the spirit! Be sure to ignore the fact that they traded away what will be the lower of the picks. Run with it!

Had we not wasted one of the two first round picks we probably could have had a shot to get him.

snowspot66
12-06-2009, 02:44 PM
I don't. They'll be in mail it in mode by the time they get to Detroit. Highly unlikely they beat the Packers I think. No way in hell they handle the Vikings or Ravens.

KCStud
12-06-2009, 02:47 PM
Can Suh be a NT? He may be only 300 lbs, but he makes huge plays against double-teams in college. I could see a team like KC or CLE get him to be a NT. He has the frame to put on weight

outdoor_miner
12-06-2009, 02:50 PM
Had we not wasted one of the two first round picks we probably could have had a shot to get him.

Yep. A rookie cornerback (one of the hardest positions for a rookie in the NFL) is a "waste". Bust!!!

Also - I love that (in your mind) the Broncos FO would have definitely been able to trade up for Suh. It's a given. By trading for Smith, we lost Suh. For sure.

elsid13
12-06-2009, 02:55 PM
Can Suh be a NT? He may be only 300 lbs, but he makes huge plays against double-teams in college. I could see a team like KC or CLE get him to be a NT. He has the frame to put on weight

No he would be a DE in 3/4 and it would be a waste. He is UT in 4/3 line.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 02:58 PM
Yep. A rookie cornerback (one of the hardest positions for a rookie in the NFL) is a "waste". Bust!!!

Also - I love that (in your mind) the Broncos FO would have definitely been able to trade up for Suh. It's a given. By trading for Smith, we lost Suh. For sure.

Maybe not Suh (who is likely #1 or #2 in the draft), but there are other big time studs at the top end of this draft that maybe could be attained by trading our pick around #20-25 or so.

snowspot66
12-06-2009, 02:59 PM
Guy could put on 30 pounds and still look like a light DE. I don't know where he keeps the weight but he doesn't look 300. I believe he is though.

Bronco Warrior
12-06-2009, 03:04 PM
I saw Suh for the first time last night..don't get Nebraska games in Mountain West Land. Didn't know what all the fuss was about till last night! He is a beast and will be a demon in the pros! That a fact!

DBroncos4life
12-06-2009, 03:05 PM
Can Suh be a NT? He may be only 300 lbs, but he makes huge plays against double-teams in college. I could see a team like KC or CLE get him to be a NT. He has the frame to put on weight

I think he could. Look at Jay Ratliff 6'4" 304 pounds. He does everything a bigger NT does and more.

Bronco Warrior
12-06-2009, 03:09 PM
For all you guys that think we should go QB in this draft high up...watch some tape on Branstater! The guy can play..he is a baller with a cannon arm!!

Bronco Warrior
12-06-2009, 03:13 PM
I think he could. Look at Jay Ratliff 6'4" 304 pounds. He does everything a bigger NT does and more.

Ratliff is weak sauce! lol! But Suh is a man! And could gain muscle and not lose any speed! He will be deadly!

outdoor_miner
12-06-2009, 03:16 PM
Maybe not Suh (who is likely #1 or #2 in the draft), but there are other big time studs at the top end of this draft that maybe could be attained by trading our pick around #20-25 or so.

Not sure if you've noticed, but teams are rarely, if ever, trading up nowadays. The contracts just aren't worth it. It is more likely that the Broncos would have stayed pat and drafted some player in the 20s... That won't stop people from comparing Smith to Suh or Clausen or whomever they think we would have had if we hadn't gotten Smith.

The bottom line is that the trade was just fine now that we see that the pick will likely be in the 20s. It was fair compensation. Now, the pick itself... We'll have to see over time. I'm not quite yet ready to give up on a rookie after 12 games.

Drek
12-06-2009, 03:25 PM
The fact that this is a bad DB class doesnt make the fact that we traded away a first round draft choice for a player who couldnt secure regular time in front of Jack Williams and the ghost of Ty Law. No matter which way you slice it, that trade was bad.
Yes, because 12 games is all it takes to know what a rookie DB has to offer, especially when he's playing behind three very experienced, productive veterans on a team with playoff aspirations, after losing time early in the season due to injury (when Jack Williams passed him on the depth chart).

I suspect that Chicago will get two of those games.
Great, so 7-9. That would be good for the 9-11 pick last year depending on tie breakers. So at worst early teens. Like I said before.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 03:43 PM
Yes, because 12 games is all it takes to know what a rookie DB has to offer, especially when he's playing behind three very experienced, productive veterans on a team with playoff aspirations, after losing time early in the season due to injury (when Jack Williams passed him on the depth chart).

He's definitely no Darrent Williams, who came on as an undersized rookie and made the most of playing opposite Champ Bailey. Ironically, Darrent was selected as a second rounder as well...and just to think...the Broncos didnt even have to trade a first rounder for him.

Alphonso Smith was only the cherry on the top of what was a draft that looked like it was being run by a second grader.


Great, so 7-9. That would be good for the 9-11 pick last year depending on tie breakers. So at worst early teens. Like I said before.

We'll see. I dont think it makes any sense arguing about whether or not your Madame Cleo impersonation is accurate.

dsmoot
12-06-2009, 03:55 PM
What is so impressive about Suh is his superior strength. He was throwing the Texas OL around. Then you watch him in some of his highlight reels and you see the speed in space. This guy could dominate right away from a couple of positions. NT maybe a waste of some real disruptive potential.

v2micca
12-06-2009, 03:58 PM
For all you guys that think we should go QB in this draft high up...watch some tape on Branstater! The guy can play..he is a baller with a cannon arm!!


I gladly would if you could point me to some sites. I actually spent a week looking for tape on him right after the draft and could only find a handful of single game highlights and his 2007 campaign.

KCStud
12-06-2009, 04:02 PM
Ratliff is weak sauce! lol! But Suh is a man! And could gain muscle and not lose any speed! He will be deadly!

I agree. I think Suh can play NT easily. He can be 310 lbs and still do well. Nobody will have one man on him.

Broncoman13
12-06-2009, 04:32 PM
That undersized DB is probably a better corner prospect than any of the guys who'll be available in this year's draft, FYI.

And there is a decent chance that McCoy slides to the 8-11 area, which is where Chicago very well might put us.


McCoy looks to be a stud... but I'm not so sure that I wouldn't rather have Mt. Cody.

Garcia Bronco
12-06-2009, 04:33 PM
Let's face it... the The Heisman should be changed to the best "OB or Running Back" ... Suh is the best college football player I've seen this year but has on chance at the trophy.

I agree. But...Suh will sweep many of the top defensive awards.

Broncoman13
12-06-2009, 04:56 PM
Yes, because 12 games is all it takes to know what a rookie DB has to offer, especially when he's playing behind three very experienced, productive veterans on a team with playoff aspirations, after losing time early in the season due to injury (when Jack Williams passed him on the depth chart).


Great, so 7-9. That would be good for the 9-11 pick last year depending on tie breakers. So at worst early teens. Like I said before.

That is a good point and I even buy the arguement that the pick (Smith) was made with the "foresight" that next year's CBs were extremely weak (kind of doubt it though). A midget corner wasn't the right pick when we have guys like Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd, Dwayne Bowe, DHB, and Louis Murphy six times a season! All of those guys have a height advantage of AT LEAST 5".

Look no further than today's game. Tony Scheffler and even Hockstein managed to log defensive stats toaday! Alphonso Smith, the only way he makes the game book is with his THREE penalties on the day.


Changing the subject a bit. What is Locker's arm strength like? He seems pretty similar to Colt McCoy in terms of mobility, does he have a stronger arm? He has pretty good size at 6'3 225 and I've seen him throw with pretty good accuracy, though you have to question why is comp. % is so low. I think it would be nice to have a QB that is capable of scrambling around a little bit to extend plays. For all of Jay Cutler's weaknesses, his scrambling ability by itself made our OL a lot more effective. It would be nice to get a guy like Cassel who understands throwing the ball away but also has the ability to escape pressure and not take the big negative plays. That is probably my biggest problem with Orton. Like his decisions for the most part but he has about as much mobility as Drew Bledsoe or Dan Marino!

elsid13
12-06-2009, 05:00 PM
That is a good point and I even buy the arguement that the pick (Smith) was made with the "foresight" that next year's CBs were extremely weak (kind of doubt it though). A midget corner wasn't the right pick when we have guys like Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd, Dwayne Bowe, DHB, and Louis Murphy six times a season! All of those guys have a height advantage of AT LEAST 5".

Look no further than today's game. Tony Scheffler and even Hockstein managed to log defensive stats toaday! Alphonso Smith, the only way he makes the game book is with his THREE penalties on the day.


Changing the subject a bit. What is Locker's arm strength like? He seems pretty similar to Colt McCoy in terms of mobility, does he have a stronger arm? He has pretty good size at 6'3 225 and I've seen him throw with pretty good accuracy, though you have to question why is comp. % is so low. I think it would be nice to have a QB that is capable of scrambling around a little bit to extend plays. For all of Jay Cutler's weaknesses, his scrambling ability by itself made our OL a lot more effective. It would be nice to get a guy like Cassel who understands throwing the ball away but also has the ability to escape pressure and not take the big negative plays. That is probably my biggest problem with Orton. Like his decisions for the most part but he has about as much mobility as Drew Bledsoe or Dan Marino!

Locker has very good arm, not as strong as Cutler's or Mallet's, but he can make all the throws with some zip. I would be him above Ryan's but below those guy's mentioned. The completion % is so low because how bad his WR are. He is the only offense weapon on that team.

Broncoman13
12-06-2009, 05:01 PM
I agree. But...Suh will sweep many of the top defensive awards.

Suh deserves an invitation to NY but I'm not sure he's had a greater impact than guys like Ingram or McCoy... Not even sure he's had a greater impact than Gerhart.

Broncoman13
12-06-2009, 05:03 PM
Locker has very good arm, not as strong as Cutler's or Mallet's, but he can make all the throws with some zip. I would be him above Ryan's but below those guy's mentioned. The completion % is so low because how bad his WR are. He is the only offense weapon on that team.

Mallet?

elsid13
12-06-2009, 05:05 PM
Mallet?

Arkansas Razorbacks Ryan Mallett. (sorry forgot the second t). He has the strongest arm I have every seen at any level. He raw, but improving rapidly and if come out this year will challenge Locker and Clausen as the 1st QB off the board.

azbroncfan
12-06-2009, 05:15 PM
SO you want to sacrifice the whole draft for this guy?

That One Guy
12-06-2009, 05:33 PM
Arkansas Razorbacks Ryan Mallett. (sorry forgot the second t). He has the strongest arm I have every seen at any level. He raw, but improving rapidly and if come out this year will challenge Locker and Clausen as the 1st QB off the board.

Wow... I saw him when he came in for those few Michigan games but the strongest arm ever? I'll have to keep an eye open on that. There's a few guys like the tugboat in Oakland that I guess I didn't even know he was in the same league as.

In my defense, when that loser went to coach at Michigan I stopped watching college football. I don't know much going on these days.

That One Guy
12-06-2009, 05:36 PM
He's definitely no Darrent Williams, who came on as an undersized rookie and made the most of playing opposite Champ Bailey. Ironically, Darrent was selected as a second rounder as well...and just to think...the Broncos didnt even have to trade a first rounder for him.


I know people like to rewrite history because of how things turned out but I recall Darrent being a liability in coverage. He was better than expected but lets not pretend he was shutting anyone down Darrell Revis style.

elsid13
12-06-2009, 05:38 PM
Wow... I saw him when he came in for those few Michigan games but the strongest arm ever? I'll have to keep an eye open on that. There's a few guys like the tugboat in Oakland that I guess I didn't even know he was in the same league as.

In my defense, when that loser went to coach at Michigan I stopped watching college football. I don't know much going on these days.

You really need to see his arm now. I remember the Michigan days and he has grown into his body. There were 3 to 4 throw in his game against Bama that I said wow. It was much like the first time I saw Spiller run as Freshman, thinking that one of fastest guy I have ever seen with football in his hands.

DBroncos4life
12-06-2009, 05:44 PM
Suh deserves an invitation to NY but I'm not sure he's had a greater impact than guys like Ingram or McCoy... Not even sure he's had a greater impact than Gerhart.

http://stiffarmtrophy.com/

If the votes continue like this not only will he be there he will leave with the trophy.

DrFate
12-06-2009, 06:13 PM
He was a beast last night. Dominant

Pony Boy
12-06-2009, 06:22 PM
http://stiffarmtrophy.com/

If the votes continue like this not only will he be there he will leave with the trophy.

It would be cool to see a defensive player take the trophy home.... but from what I read all the talk is about how no one from Alabama has ever won the Heisman and it has turned into a vote for the whole Bama team.

Broncoman13
12-06-2009, 07:15 PM
http://stiffarmtrophy.com/

If the votes continue like this not only will he be there he will leave with the trophy.

Don't worry... It won't. Pretty obvious that most of that voting is coming from the west coast... but it certainly looks as though he'll get an invite to NY which is a good thing. He is deserving.

Broncoman13
12-06-2009, 07:18 PM
It would be cool to see a defensive player take the trophy home.... but from what I read all the talk is about how no one from Alabama has ever won the Heisman and it has turned into a vote for the whole Bama team.

IMO there isn't one guy that has really distinguished himself. I'm a 'Horns fan and I can't say I'd vote for Colt McCoy over guys like Suh, Spiller, Ingram, or Gerhart. I guess if you forced me to it would go like this:

1. Ingram
2. McCoy
3. Spiller
4. Suh
5. Gerhart

But even this doesn't seem fair to Suh or Gerhart. They've all had remarkable seasons. And you can pretty much count on Tim Tebow getting an invite.

Rock Chalk
12-06-2009, 07:30 PM
Suh will go in the top 8 no doubt about it. With Tebow laying a bit of a log yesterday and Suh just plain dominating he will go in the top 8 to a 4-3 team. My initial prediction is Detroit.

Tebow isnt going in the first round egg or not.

He isnt an NFL QB.

Suh wont make it out of the top 3. That kid has been an absolute beast this year.

Dean
12-06-2009, 07:52 PM
I know people like to rewrite history because of how things turned out but I recall Darrent being a liability in coverage. He was better than expected but lets not pretend he was shutting anyone down Darrell Revis style.

Yeah, he was only good enough to start for us. You know like three penalties Smith. . . oh wait cancel that.

Archer81
12-06-2009, 07:55 PM
Yeah, he was only good enough to start for us. You know like three penalties Smith. . . oh wait cancel that.


Considering we had Roc Alexander and Lenny Walls starting...a one armed garden gnome would have taken their spots if he showed any potential ability.


:Broncos:

peacepipe
12-06-2009, 08:58 PM
Suh is a 3-4 DE or a lt/rt in a 4-3

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 08:59 PM
I know people like to rewrite history because of how things turned out but I recall Darrent being a liability in coverage. He was better than expected but lets not pretend he was shutting anyone down Darrell Revis style.

Liability? Darrent was a flat out playmaker who had a little let off in his sophomore year. The guy was headed to a long career as a high quality NFL starter. He was twice the player that Foxworth was (Foxworth was the liability). He was smart, skilled, and a supreme athlete for his size or any other.

nickademus
12-06-2009, 09:29 PM
IF Smith is better than any of this year's prospects, then I wouldnt expect any of them to be worth a first rounder either because Smith hasn't really shown that type of worth this season.

I think that we'll be drafting in the mid-to-low teens. McCoy wont be there.

have you seen the bears play this season? they are not just bad they are horrible and their remaining schedual is brutal. we are drafting in the top ten especially with the raiders winning a few games.

Bronco Warrior
12-07-2009, 03:51 PM
Liability? Darrent was a flat out playmaker who had a little let off in his sophomore year. The guy was headed to a long career as a high quality NFL starter. He was twice the player that Foxworth was (Foxworth was the liability). He was smart, skilled, and a supreme athlete for his size or any other.

I love D Williams and was sad to see him pass but let's be real. The guy was short and got beat like a rented mule in big games. Watch the NFL Replay of the Indy Playoff game... We lost that game because of him getting burned for two touchdowns...and I mean bad! I might not watch it just because it is kinda disrespectful to his memory. Reggie owned him!

PS: Sophmore slump is usually only QBs so let's not use that to explain his slumping play. corners get better their second year because they get up to speed on the D and the speed of the NFL Game.

Bronco Warrior
12-07-2009, 03:53 PM
Back on topic: Suh is a straight up DL Gangster and I say get him if at all possible!

zms325i
12-07-2009, 04:06 PM
Duh was just mentioned as a heisman finalist. Impressive.

dsmoot
12-07-2009, 07:30 PM
Liability? Darrent was a flat out playmaker who had a little let off in his sophomore year. The guy was headed to a long career as a high quality NFL starter. He was twice the player that Foxworth was (Foxworth was the liability). He was smart, skilled, and a supreme athlete for his size or any other.

I loved Darrent's spirit. However, he indeed was being exposed in year 2 for his coverage limitations against tall WR's.

Garcia Bronco
12-07-2009, 07:35 PM
Back on topic: Suh is a straight up DL Gangster and I say get him if at all possible!

I think this is a guy your mortgage for. trade next years 1 if you have to.

DBroncos4life
12-07-2009, 07:38 PM
I think this is a guy your mortgage for. trade next years 1 if you have to.

That's why I was so upset when we traded for Smith. We might have had enough ammo to get him without traded a future first for him.

Garcia Bronco
12-07-2009, 07:39 PM
That's why I was so upset when we traded for Smith. We might have had enough ammo to get him without traded a future first for him.

Hindsight is 20/20 and we can't do anything about it. but we might be able to do something about this.

lex
12-07-2009, 07:42 PM
Hindsight is 20/20 and we can't do anything about it. but we might be able to do something about this.

Except this isnt really hindsight. This was one of the reasons this move was heavily criticized when it happened...not well after.

DBroncos4life
12-07-2009, 07:47 PM
Hindsight is 20/20 and we can't do anything about it. but we might be able to do something about this.

Well he was a senior so we knew he was coming out :) Oh well I just hope he doesn't end up a Brown, Raider, or a Queef. I wouldn't mind seeing him playing next to Albert Haynesworth.

Pony Boy
12-08-2009, 11:47 AM
Tossed like a Rag Doll

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barryr
12-08-2009, 03:29 PM
Suh is a top 5 pick, so won't be easy to get.

jhns
12-08-2009, 03:38 PM
This guy will be the first non-QB taken. He will be the first pick if that team isn't looking for a QB. We won't have a shot at him. I would love to see him on this team though. He makes everyone around him much better and I have never seen a DT be around the ball as much as Suh. He will be great in the NFL.

Garcia Bronco
12-08-2009, 03:55 PM
Except this isnt really hindsight. This was one of the reasons this move was heavily criticized when it happened...not well after.

You can't make draft decisions a year away in the current draft based on criteria that doesn't exist.

lex
12-08-2009, 04:14 PM
You can't make draft decisions a year away in the current draft based on criteria that doesn't exist.

This is kind of circular but w/e. I think I know what youre trying to say. You can keep draft picks to give yourself flexibility. You know who will be seniors the following year. Plus you knew that there was going to be financial encouragement for players to enter this draft a year early beyond what existed in years past.

DivineLegion
12-08-2009, 04:53 PM
I love D Williams and was sad to see him pass but let's be real. The guy was short and got beat like a rented mule in big games. Watch the NFL Replay of the Indy Playoff game... We lost that game because of him getting burned for two touchdowns...and I mean bad! I might not watch it just because it is kinda disrespectful to his memory. Reggie owned him!

PS: Sophmore slump is usually only QBs so let's not use that to explain his slumping play. corners get better their second year because they get up to speed on the D and the speed of the NFL Game.

Is there anyone in the NFL That Reggie Wayne hasn't burned? Give me one sophomore Corner going against Peyton Manning and the Colts without a good front seven that has not been embarrassed. D-Will was Dre Bly with Tackling ability, and let me tell you man play makers like that who are willing to tackle turn into all pro Corners.

broncogary
12-08-2009, 05:01 PM
I loved Darrent's spirit. However, he indeed was being exposed in year 2 for his coverage limitations against tall WR's.

I really think the only time he was exposed was with Slowik's immortal play way off the receiver technique. Darrent had good leaping ability and was a quick leaper, too.

BroncoInferno
12-08-2009, 05:26 PM
McCoy looks to be a stud... but I'm not so sure that I wouldn't rather have Mt. Cody.

I've seen a couple of projections that don't even have Cody going in the 1st round.

Crashman44b
12-08-2009, 05:59 PM
Nebraska players rarely make it in the NFL, go pull a list of the Top Ten picks that were busts, we had one here about, what, 18 years ago or whatever.

Huskers second in Big 12 in active NFL players


Texas 35

Nebraska 28

Texas A&M 21

Kansas State 20

Oklahoma 18

Colorado 17

Oklahoma State 10

Iowa State 8

Kansas 8

Texas Tech 7

Baylor 6

Missouri 6


Try again. Suh is not the next Warren Sapp. He might be the next Reggie White. theres not a better pick in this draft other then Suh

elsid13
12-08-2009, 06:06 PM
I've seen a couple of projections that don't even have Cody going in the 1st round.

That is strong possibility. A two down player isn't usually a first round pick.

Bronco Yoda
12-08-2009, 06:56 PM
Slowik's immortal play way off the receiver technique.

That still irks me. I should really get over that by now.

tsiguy96
12-08-2009, 06:58 PM
twitter scout guy said suh is the most talented defensive player hes ever scouted.

lex
12-08-2009, 08:09 PM
If this guy is "the best defensive player in 35 years" or if he is "more like Reggie White than Warren Sapp"...or if he is the best since the Selmon brothers, should we trade up to get this guy? If he's really THAT good, how is it not worth it?

Kaylore
12-08-2009, 08:47 PM
Yeah, he was only good enough to start for us. You know like three penalties Smith. . . oh wait cancel that.

No, D-wil was ok but b/c of tragic death his abilities have been re-imagined better than they were among Bronco fans. I don't mind b/c it doesn't matter and I don't want to piss on his grave, but D-wil had a rough year that year. He got beat on double moves a lot and especially on the deep comeback. He would get worked on comeback routes.

Circle Orange
12-08-2009, 08:57 PM
He's 300 pounds? Almost looks like a linebacker. Damn that's a big boy.

Corn fed on the farm...:~ohyah!:

mattob14
12-08-2009, 09:01 PM
If this guy is "the best defensive player in 35 years" or if he is "more like Reggie White than Warren Sapp"...or if he is the best since the Selmon brothers, should we trade up to get this guy? If he's really THAT good, how is it not worth it?

What would you have to give up? Right now, he's a top-3 lock, imo, and it would probably take this year and next year's 1sts, plus another pick. And then you have to give him a HUGE contract. Is it worth it? Maybe, maybe not, but that would be the largest investment I've ever seen a team make in a 3-4 DE, by far.

lex
12-08-2009, 09:15 PM
What would you have to give up? Right now, he's a top-3 lock, imo, and it would probably take this year and next year's 1sts, plus another pick. And then you have to give him a HUGE contract. Is it worth it? Maybe, maybe not, but that would be the largest investment I've ever seen a team make in a 3-4 DE, by far.

I agree, what you mentioned is a lot to give up...and you might be right. But its also been the case that teams want to try to get rid of those picks so it might not hurt as much. It seems teams see these top 8 picks as contracts more than ways to improve...but if youre comparing a guy to LeeRoy Selmon, Reggie White, and Warren Sapp, maybe its not such a bad idea to move up (assuming we're drafting around 9, say). What other player in the draft has the same degree of certainty? Eric Berry is compared to Ed Reed a lot but we drafted heavy at safety last year. Maybe Baker will start to come on next year too? We've basically drafted at every level of the defense with high picks so far and moved up to get many of those players.

DBroncos4life
12-08-2009, 10:45 PM
Because we are in a 3-4 its hard to say its easy to give up a future first rounder for him along with other picks. Just think if we could land him and Richard Seymour in the off-season. That would be a dream come true :)

The Joker
12-09-2009, 06:05 AM
I certainly wouldn't be opposed to trading up for him, the guy is unreal.

Not gonna happen though most likely, I think the teams at the top of the draft order will either be taking the QB they like the most or else jumping on Suh.