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SouthStndJunkie
12-03-2009, 10:15 PM
Time for the annual baseball thread....may as well get it going for the offseason moves.

SouthStndJunkie
12-03-2009, 10:17 PM
The Phillies signed Placido Polanco to a 3 year deal today....looks like he will play 3rd base for them.

I am very disappointed the Tigers did not make an effort to keep him.

He played a stellar 2nd base and is a clutch hitter....the nuts and bolts kind of guy you need on your team.

SJ Bronco
12-03-2009, 10:17 PM
Didn't the Major league annual Yankee spending spree just end? Can this wait till the next one begins in like late February?

SouthStndJunkie
12-03-2009, 10:18 PM
If you don't want to talk baseball....then stick to one of the three hundred Jay Cutler threads.

SJ Bronco
12-03-2009, 10:35 PM
If you don't want to talk baseball....then stick to one of the three hundred Jay Cutler threads.

Calm down, i was just messing with you. F'ing people around here are so god damn sensitive these days...fine.....I'll put you on ignore and we never have to speak again...shyt!

Taco John
12-03-2009, 10:35 PM
I'm really looking forward to seeing what the Mariners are going to do this offseason with all that money coming off the books. I'm hoping to see us nab Lackey with Bedard moving his way out of the picture.

SouthStndJunkie
12-03-2009, 10:38 PM
Calm down, i was just messing with you. F'ing people around here are so god damn sensitive these days...fine.....I'll put you on ignore and we never have to speak again...shyt!

Geez....talk about sensitive....I was not even being serious....just a little inside joke about the hundreds of Jay Cutler threads compared to one baseball thread.

I'm probably the least sensitive ****er on this site....just a little crass at times.

strafen
12-03-2009, 10:39 PM
My Red Sox have agreed to a two-year contract with free-agent shortstop Marco Scutaro (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5217)
Man, all we need right now is sign Halladay from Toronto and we will roll next season! :wiggle:

SouthStndJunkie
12-03-2009, 10:39 PM
I'm really looking forward to seeing what the Mariners are going to do this offseason with all that money coming off the books. I'm hoping to see us nab Lackey with Bedard moving his way out of the picture.

The Tigers are having an apparent fire sale with pretty much every player outside of Justin Verlander available.

Very disappointing.

SouthStndJunkie
12-04-2009, 02:06 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4714327

Source: Figgins, Mariners near deal

SouthStndJunkie
12-04-2009, 02:07 PM
You Mariners fans have to be geeked at the thought of signing Figgins....heck of a ball player.

broncofan2438
12-04-2009, 02:07 PM
Way to early for this crap

SouthStndJunkie
12-08-2009, 01:58 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4725108

The New York Yankees, Arizona Diamondbacks and Detroit Tigers are on the verge of the first major trade of baseball's winter meetings, a deal that would send Tigers outfielder Curtis Granderson to New York, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.

In the trade, the Diamondbacks would obtain Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy, while the Tigers will pick up Max Scherzer, Daniel Schlereth, Phil Coke and outfield prospect Austin Jackson.

SouthStndJunkie
12-08-2009, 02:02 PM
First the Tigers let Polanco walk....and then they trade Curtis Granderson and Edwin Jackson.

If Dave Dombrowski were in front of me right now, I would smack his smug face and boot him in the berries.

Curtis Granderson was the leader of the Tigers and a fan favorite.

Move over Pirates, the Tigers will be re-joining you on a decade long trip to Suck Island.

Bronco LB52
12-08-2009, 02:15 PM
The Tigers are giving up two proven commodities, but all four of the young players they are receiving can play and make close to the league minimum. Scherzer has the stuff and ability to match what Jackson did and he has far less service time so he may end up giving the Tigers more bang for the buck.

The Tigers would be taking the real hit on going from Granderson to Jackson. That's definitely a downgrade. Jackson can play defense and get on-base, but he doesn't have the extra-base power that Granderson brings to the table.

Mark Schlereth's son has closer type stuff. He would be the sleeper of this deal.

Bronco LB52
12-08-2009, 02:24 PM
What's puzzling about this trade is that Granderson had a favorable contract for a player of his stature and he was locked up for at least four more years if the Tigers wanted to keep him.

10:$5.5M, 11:$8.25M, 12:$10M, 13:$13M club option ($2M buyout)

It definitely looks like a salary dump if it goes through.

bombay
12-08-2009, 02:26 PM
Cardinals signed Brad Penny (pending physical) for $7.5 plus about 1.5 in incentives. Seems like a lot for a guy who's turned into a journeyman.

Bronco LB52
12-08-2009, 02:30 PM
In 2010, the Tigers are paying Magglio Ordonez $18 million, Jeremy Bonderman $12.5 million, Carlos Guillen $13 million, Dontrelle Willis $12 million and Nate Robertson $10 milllion.

It looks like the Tigers overextended themselves. Nobody in baseball wants to take on these contracts so when push comes to shove, the Tigers had to trade value to trim payroll.

Bronco LB52
12-08-2009, 02:39 PM
Cardinals signed Brad Penny (pending physical) for $7.5 plus about 1.5 in incentives. Seems like a lot for a guy who's turned into a journeyman.

That is the going rate for a 3rd starter on a low risk, one-year deal. Penny is a headcase, but he still can throw heat. Dave Duncan has shown he can work wonders with pitchers and Penny will be one of the most gifted projects he has dealt with.

bombay
12-08-2009, 02:42 PM
That is the going rate for a 3rd starter on a low risk, one-year deal. Penny is a headcase, but he still can throw heat. Dave Duncan has shown he can work wonders with pitchers and Penny will be one of the most gifted projects he has dealt with.


Yeah, he's the kind of guy Duncan has had good success with, and I guess it's low risk based on being one year.

Who's going to be #5? Garcia?

Bronco LB52
12-08-2009, 02:49 PM
Yeah, he's the kind of guy Duncan has had good success with, and I guess it's low risk based on being one year.

Who's going to be #5? Garcia?

I think Jaime Garcia will be a candidate, but most clubs don't know who their fifth starter will be until mid-to-late March.

bombay
12-08-2009, 02:58 PM
I think Jaime Garcia will be a candidate, but most clubs don't know who their fifth starter will be until mid-to-late March.


True. And I think he's coming back from Tommy John.

It's a fine rotation 1-4 provided Carpenter can give them something in the 200 inning range. The mystery at this point is left field.

DBroncos4life
12-08-2009, 03:16 PM
In 2010, the Tigers are paying Magglio Ordonez $18 million, Jeremy Bonderman $12.5 million, Carlos Guillen $13 million, Dontrelle Willis $12 million and Nate Robertson $10 milllion.

It looks like the Tigers overextended themselves. Nobody in baseball wants to take on these contracts so when push comes to shove, the Tigers had to trade value to trim payroll.

I wouldn't be shocked if Juan Pierre ends up a Tiger. I've seen some weak rumors about Bonderman for him.

houghtam
12-08-2009, 03:41 PM
I wouldn't be shocked if Juan Pierre ends up a Tiger. I've seen some weak rumors about Bonderman for him.

I'd trade Bonder for Pierre in a second. The guy's damaged goods and hasn't shown the ability to come back from injury. Hell, they can take half the guys you mentioned on that list and the cash to cover they payroll on top of it and I'd be a happy man.

DBroncos4life
12-08-2009, 03:48 PM
I'd trade Bonder for Pierre in a second. The guy's damaged goods and hasn't shown the ability to come back from injury. Hell, they can take half the guys you mentioned on that list and the cash to cover they payroll on top of it and I'd be a happy man.

I think the Dodgers are in trouble with the whole owner thing. Pierre would be a salary dump with the possibility of a good pitcher return if he could return healthy. I would guess it would between him or Willis lol.

I might add Sherrill was being rumored to being shopped for E. Jackson so I guess it could end up being a multi player deal.

SouthStndJunkie
12-08-2009, 03:50 PM
In 2010, the Tigers are paying Magglio Ordonez $18 million, Jeremy Bonderman $12.5 million, Carlos Guillen $13 million, Dontrelle Willis $12 million and Nate Robertson $10 milllion.

It looks like the Tigers overextended themselves. Nobody in baseball wants to take on these contracts so when push comes to shove, the Tigers had to trade value to trim payroll.

I realize that....I know all about the payroll and decline in attendance....but this feels like the Tigers are moving back to Pittsburgh Pirate like status....and I enjoyed the recent run of winning after a long stretch of suck.

Dombrowski made some stupid decisions and now he is dishing out young proven talent for unproven talent to shed payroll for his screw ups.

Trading Curtis Granderson is going to piss a ton of fans off....look for Comerica's attendance to decline again next year.

Bronco LB52
12-08-2009, 04:24 PM
I realize that....I know all about the payroll and decline in attendance....but this feels like the Tigers are moving back to Pittsburgh Pirate like status....and I enjoyed the recent run of winning after a long stretch of suck.

Dombrowski made some stupid decisions and now he is dishing out young proven talent for unproven talent to shed payroll for his screw ups.

Trading Curtis Granderson is going to piss a ton of fans off....look for Comerica's attendance to decline again next year.

Trading star veterans for young players never goes over well with the public.

Dombrowski deserves blame here for the payroll, but on the flip side he did take an aggressive approach to make a run at a championship from 2007-09 following their pennant in 2006. He went for it all, he added veterans and payroll, they had the pieces to do it and it didn't work out.

The economy finally caught up to the Tigers, but they aren't exactly throwing in the towel here. All four players they acquired are going to help them next year. Coke and Schlereth are significant upgrades to their bullpen. Scherzer is the type of pitcher who can rack up 8-10 strikeouts and dominate a lineup on any given night. Eight times out of 10, I bet the Tigers fans won't even notice a difference between him and Jackson.

Granderson is irreplaceable. They aren't going to replace his bat. He's a huge loss, but Austin Jackson is not chopped liver. He's going to cover a lot of ground in CF and be an asset to the pitching staff. There are going to be growing pains with him at the plate, but he has the tools and skills to be a standout in the big leagues for a long time. He's an exciting player who I think will win over Tigers fans in the short-term.

colonelbeef
12-08-2009, 04:27 PM
Meanwhile, my Mets signed Alex Cora.

Hallelujah.

:flush: :nutkick:

houghtam
12-08-2009, 07:48 PM
Granderson is irreplaceable.

I disagree. A leadoff hitter who averages 150 strikeouts and a .150 BA against lefties is not irreplaceable.

He was a good player and a good guy, all class...but I was kind of hoping they'd get rid of him or pick up a true leadoff hitter at least.

But I'd rather they had gotten rid of Inge, Guillen, etc. first.

80smith
12-08-2009, 07:52 PM
First the Tigers let Polanco walk....and then they trade Curtis Granderson and Edwin Jackson.

If Dave Dombrowski were in front of me right now, I would smack his smug face and boot him in the berries.

Curtis Granderson was the leader of the Tigers and a fan favorite.

Move over Pirates, the Tigers will be re-joining you on a decade long trip to Suck Island.

Why are the Tigers doing this? I'm Happy as all hell cause it helps the white sox but man......

80smith
12-08-2009, 07:54 PM
White Sox finalize deal for Teahen

Third baseman agrees to three-year, $14 million contract

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091208&content_id=7774258&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

Bronco LB52
12-09-2009, 01:35 AM
I disagree. A leadoff hitter who averages 150 strikeouts and a .150 BA against lefties is not irreplaceable.

He was a good player and a good guy, all class...but I was kind of hoping they'd get rid of him or pick up a true leadoff hitter at least.

But I'd rather they had gotten rid of Inge, Guillen, etc. first.

150 strikeouts? As if that's a big deal in baseball today. Outs are outs. Teams today play Earl Weaver style baseball. Teams will tolerate a 200 strikeout batter if he can hit 44 bombs like Mark Reynolds.

Granderson is irreplaceable because 30 home run center fielders don't grow on trees. The only way the Tigers make up for it is by upgrading their bats at other positions.

DBroncos4life
12-09-2009, 03:50 PM
http://www.dodgersfyi.com/2009/12/tigers-interested-in-pierre.html

Pierre for Justin Verlander is the new rumor.

24champ
12-09-2009, 04:21 PM
http://www.dodgersfyi.com/2009/12/tigers-interested-in-pierre.html

Pierre for Justin Verlander is the new rumor.

Pierre for Verlander? Sounds too good to be true.

Dodgers are going to go after retreads for pitching like they always do. Forget Roy Halladay, its never going to happen. That ship sailed in July.

Dewitt will probably man 2nd Base. Counsell will be a utility guy. Nothing real exciting is going to happen this offseason. McCourts can go (bleep) themselves.

houghtam
12-09-2009, 04:29 PM
Granderson I can believe.

I would be very surprised if they got rid of Verlander.

If that happened, it would be a good old fashioned firesale. Might as well get rid of Ordonez, Porcello, Galarraga and everyone else.

DBroncos4life
12-09-2009, 04:29 PM
Pierre for Verlander? Sounds too good to be true.

Dodgers are going to go after retreads for pitching like they always do. Forget Roy Halladay, its never going to happen. That ship sailed in July.

Dewitt will probably man 2nd Base. Counsell will be a utility guy. Nothing real exciting is going to happen this offseason. McCourts can go (bleep) themselves.

I think they will move Peirre for a pitcher. Other then that I think we don't do much till the McCourts settle or sale the team.

Taco John
12-09-2009, 04:33 PM
The Tigers are having an apparent fire sale with pretty much every player outside of Justin Verlander available.

Very disappointing.

Looks like Verlander might be for sale too!

sixtimeseight
12-09-2009, 04:39 PM
http://www.dodgersfyi.com/2009/12/tigers-interested-in-pierre.html

Pierre for Justin Verlander is the new rumor.

What a surprise, that rumor comes from a site called dodgersfyi. newsflash: nobody trades good, young pitchers for ****ty, aging corner outfielders that can't hit or throw.

24champ
12-09-2009, 04:45 PM
I think they will move Peirre for a pitcher. Other then that I think we don't do much till the McCourts settle or sale the team.

McCourts don't run the team right now. Frank stepped away from day to day operations, gave the keys to a guy named Mannion, told him how much payroll there is and good luck. We'll be OK for 2010, my problem is for 2011 and beyond. We are (bleep)ed.

Bottom line is that a major-market team should never have to operate like this. Either the team just really doesn't have the cash to make long-term investments, or the divorce really is casting a cloud of such uncertainty over the future of the franchise that spending is effectively frozen. Because--make no mistake--it is.

In the Simers piece, we get a rare acknowledgement of the divorce's potential impact from the Dodgers' front office:

As for the impact McCourt's divorce might have on the team's budget, Mannion says, "I do not believe this year, 2010, the Dodgers will be impacted by anything relative to the McCourts' personal life.

"I can't predict what will happen in 2011. I'm not a family lawyer and don't understand what might happen in the long term."

I'm not a family lawyer either, but I do understand this: if we are to believe Mannion, the club's penury this offseason is unrelated to the divorce. The Dodgers would have had no flexibility this winter, divorce or not. And even the man who doesn't understand what might happen in the long-term is already thinking the divorce's impact won't be felt until 2011.

There's no cash now. Investment in young players has ebbed for years. And the divorce hasn't hit the books yet.

I'm going to make a special effort to enjoy the 2010 team. Whatever flotsam and jetsam Colletti is able to stuff into the last two rotation spots, the team will be competitive because of its young core. If the club can't invest in young players and can't retain its developing stars, next year's team might be the last competitive one for a while.

I'm sure that there are many of you out there rooting for Jamie in the divorce, simply because it's the quickest way to new ownership. I can't say I blame you.

http://www.dodgerdivorce.com/2009/12/change-at-top.html

bombay
12-09-2009, 05:16 PM
What a surprise, that rumor comes from a site called dodgersfyi. newsflash: nobody trades good, young pitchers for ****ty, aging corner outfielders that can't hit or throw.

Especially when they are vastly overpaid.

SouthStndJunkie
12-09-2009, 07:43 PM
http://www.dodgersfyi.com/2009/12/tigers-interested-in-pierre.html

Pierre for Justin Verlander is the new rumor.

Now that trade would put me over the edge.

I will literally **** in a box and send it to the Tigers if that happens.

bombay
12-09-2009, 09:36 PM
Looks like Rich Harden to the Rangers.

WABronco
12-09-2009, 10:17 PM
LoL was that Pierre for Verlander thing just thrown up as a joke or what...

Anyways, was listening to the radio on the way home today, got excited with Harden in talks with us but turns out the Rangers sweeped in.

Still lots of stuff we can do, but Harden was perhaps the best fit as a guy who could come in and give you 3/4 of a season of good starts. Stay clear of Lackey and a mega contract. Stay clear of Sheets.

If Boston signs Beltre I will be beside myself with sorrow...

broncocalijohn
12-09-2009, 11:00 PM
150 strikeouts? As if that's a big deal in baseball today. Outs are outs. Teams today play Earl Weaver style baseball. Teams will tolerate a 200 strikeout batter if he can hit 44 bombs like Mark Reynolds.
Granderson is irreplaceable because 30 home run center fielders don't grow on trees. The only way the Tigers make up for it is by upgrading their bats at other positions.

Wrong! Outs are not just outs. There is something called production outs. That is when you can get a guy over to scoring position by hitting the ball, not striking out. Try playing Earl Weaver ball in Mike Scioscia Angels or Madden's Tampa Bay Rays.

broncocalijohn
12-09-2009, 11:04 PM
Halladay to the Angels for Aybar, Joe Saunders and minor league (AA) Centerfielder. This wont happen unless Angels get him to an extended contract. Personally, this only makes sense if they re-sign Lackey. Seems only the Mets are interested but he is asking 6 years which turns off too many people since he is over 30. Losing Figgins sucks and going to Seattle didnt help. 4 years at $9 million a year seems extremely high. He better produce every one of those 4 years. No worry on choking in the playoffs....Mariners wont be there!

Bronco LB52
12-10-2009, 11:51 AM
Wrong! Outs are not just outs. There is something called production outs. That is when you can get a guy over to scoring position by hitting the ball, not striking out. Try playing Earl Weaver ball in Mike Scioscia Angels or Madden's Tampa Bay Rays.

It's a given that teams are going to share different philosophies on how to win, but the main thing is having the right personnel in place to execute their strategy successfully.

I love the Angels/Rays brand of baseball. That's what I prefer to watch and it would be my strategy if I ran my own team.

Even though the Angels/Rays strategy works for them, that doesn't necessarily mean Earl Weaver style baseball is flawed. Just look at the trends in baseball, players are striking out more than ever and teams are fine with that because they are willing to gamble for the three-run bomb. Bobby Bonds held the single-season strikeout record for 34 years and he has been passed over seven times since 2004!

If Juan Pierre is at the plate and he has two strikes on him with runners on 1st and 2nd, hell yeah I want him to shorten up his swing and put it in play. If Ryan Howard or Adam Dunn are up in the same situation, swing away!

Bronco LB52
12-10-2009, 12:01 PM
Losing Figgins sucks and going to Seattle didnt help. 4 years at $9 million a year seems extremely high.

Like Kendry Morales, Brandon Wood paid his dues in Salt Lake and he's ready to contribute.

I love Figgins, but when you weigh the business side of paying him $36 million or going with Wood for $500K, it's a no brainer. In the end, I think Wood is going to make Angels fans forget about Figgins much like Morales did with Teixeira.

Hogan11
12-10-2009, 02:03 PM
I realize that....I know all about the payroll and decline in attendance....but this feels like the Tigers are moving back to Pittsburgh Pirate like status....and I enjoyed the recent run of winning after a long stretch of suck.

Hey now....well, okay the "Island of Suck" thing was funny, I have to admit.

Besides, the Bucs signed Bobby Crosby!!! :rofl:

houghtam
12-10-2009, 02:32 PM
It's a given that teams are going to share different philosophies on how to win, but the main thing is having the right personnel in place to execute their strategy successfully.

I love the Angels/Rays brand of baseball. That's what I prefer to watch and it would be my strategy if I ran my own team.

Even though the Angels/Rays strategy works for them, that doesn't necessarily mean Earl Weaver style baseball is flawed. Just look at the trends in baseball, players are striking out more than ever and teams are fine with that because they are willing to gamble for the three-run bomb. Bobby Bonds held the single-season strikeout record for 34 years and he has been passed over seven times since 2004!

If Juan Pierre is at the plate and he has two strikes on him with runners on 1st and 2nd, hell yeah I want him to shorten up his swing and put it in play. If Ryan Howard or Adam Dunn are up in the same situation, swing away!

Well we were talking about Granderson, whose speed is a lot better than his power. Unfortunately, he's got Willie Mays Hayes syndrome (from Major League 2, not the first one) in that he swings for the fences too often.

As the earlier gentleman said, strikeouts are not productive outs, and Granderson usually only leads off once a game. The other times, he's striking out with runners on base, runners in scoring position, etc. and although I missed a lot of Tigers games this past year after moving to Atlanta, I watched probably 300+ games over the two years prior. I can tell you that he's trying too hard to hit the long ball, and he performs much better when he's trying to hit, rather than slug.

The Yankees, especially with Jeter hitting leadoff, would be best served to have Grandy hit 3rd or 6th...whether they encourage him to hit for power or not could be a wash, as they could easily trade 150-200 strike outs for the 40 HRs he'll probably hit with that shortened left field wall. Easiest way to figure the guy out though is to just throw a lefty up there against him. Like I said before, he's got about a .150 career average against southpaws.

To me, that makes Granderson a lot less valuable, and definitely not a true leadoff hitter.

Taco John
12-10-2009, 03:02 PM
Now that trade would put me over the edge.

I will literally **** in a box and send it to the Tigers if that happens.


Bwahahaha!

I'll be looking for the biological terrorist headline coming out of Detroit!

Taco John
12-10-2009, 03:05 PM
Ichiro and Figgins is going to be a great top of the line-up! I wish we could somehow get Pierre to put in the 9 hole. And then keep Beltre and pick up Lackey.

There's my dream offseason. I'll be very curious to see what happens.

SouthStndJunkie
12-10-2009, 11:47 PM
Shortly before baseball’s winter meetings ended Thursday, free agent Brandon Lyon left the Tigers to sign a three-year contract with Houston.

As he acknowledged Lyon’s departure, Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski said he doesn’t expect to re-sign free agent Fernando Rodney, the Tigers’ closer this past season, either. Dombrowski said he expects Rodney to sign a multiyear deal for more money than the Tigers are prepared to offer.

SouthStndJunkie
12-11-2009, 02:02 PM
Stink's kid, relief pitcher Daniel Schlereth, was one of the players Detroit got in the Curtis Granderson/Edwin Jackson deal.

It will be kind of cool having his kid on the Tigers. I remember seeing him pitch last year with Arizona.

TonyR
12-14-2009, 11:06 AM
Looks like John Lackey is almost a Red Sox pitcher.

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=4741437

broncocalijohn
12-14-2009, 11:42 AM
Angels needed him and Halladay to have a top 2 pitcher. Lackey was asking for a ton of years on an arm that hasnt started the last two years. Top notch teams can handle that as they can still make the playoffs with Lackey out for a couple of months. Lackey doesnt do well in Boston so I am wondering why he would go there unless it is all about the money and no one else was willing to give him 5 years or more. If he signs with the Red Sox, I guess I got 1 season out of the Lackey jersey I got at half off last year. $48 for one season isnt a good investment but better than those that bought a Texiera jersey for 2 1/2 months.

TonyR
12-14-2009, 12:03 PM
Angels after Matsui.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4741670

TonyR
12-14-2009, 01:26 PM
Phillies reach deal to get Roy Halladay

By Jon Heyman, SI.com

The Phillies are in agreement on a three-team trade with the Mariners and Blue Jays to acquire star pitcher Roy Halladay, SI.com has learned.

Sources say Halladay will agree to a contract extension to complete the deal. It's expected to be a formality.

The Phillies have discussed Cliff Lee in trades, but it isn't confirmed who the Mariners would be receiving in this deal.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/12/14/phillies.halladay.lee/index.html?eref=BrkNews

SouthStndJunkie
12-14-2009, 01:59 PM
Meanwhile, the Phillies are expected to trade Cliff Lee to Seattle as part of a three-team trade, but it's not confirmed whom the Mariners would receive in return from either Toronto or Philadelphia, SI.com reported.

Cliff Lee to the Mariners would be huge for Seattle.

Finger Roll
12-14-2009, 02:18 PM
thank god. Cliff Lee with Holliday would be sick.

WABronco
12-14-2009, 03:58 PM
WHAHAAHAHAHAHAhaha.

Even if it only ends up being one year of Cliff Lee, my god, the names that are rumored to be heading out of Seattle are nothing. Amazing deal pulled off by the numero uno GM.

bombay
12-14-2009, 04:07 PM
thank god. Cliff Lee with Holliday would be sick.

You mean Halliday?

Finger Roll
12-14-2009, 05:44 PM
You mean Halliday?

yeahHilarious! I always get Roy Halliday and Matt Hollilday names mixed up

Taco John
12-14-2009, 10:04 PM
Cliff effing Lee!

I can't believe it! I've been on this dude's nuts for the last two years, so I'm particularly excited to see him coming to Washington!

YES! YES! YES!

Taco John
12-14-2009, 10:05 PM
This is so great. The Angels are getting killed this offseason, and the Mariners are getting stronger. This could be the season that we play meaningful baseball well into August! Nay! September!

Well, at least August!

YES! YES! YES!

I love this game.

WABronco
12-14-2009, 11:05 PM
WEll that and Boston's attempt at the headlines is being completely swept under the rug. They can have Lackey for 5 years for all I care.

Seriously, if we are getting Lee and only giving up the guys who are being commonly named (Aumont, Gillies, and JC Ramirez), that's pretty close to the deal of the decade. I guess the whole one year before FA REALLY DAMPENS the value on these guys, but still.

Taco John
12-14-2009, 11:43 PM
And from what I've read, there's still more money to spend for this season.

Taco John
12-14-2009, 11:43 PM
By the way, I think they M's should hold onto Bedard and use him for middle relief. He's not going to start for anyone any time soon.

24champ
12-14-2009, 11:56 PM
What's the Mariner's rotation going to look like with Lee?

It's a great trade for Seattle if they can lock him up for a few years.

TonyR
12-15-2009, 05:55 AM
This is so great. The Angels are getting killed this offseason, and the Mariners are getting stronger.

Yep, the Mariners arguably have the best 1-2 starters in the AL now and the Angels are losing too many pieces. But the Red Sox probably have the best 1-2-3, have improved their defense, and may not be done spending.

And Lee will only be in Seattle for one year. He wants a C.C. Sabathia type contract which is the main reason why the Phils let him go in favor of Halliday.

broncocalijohn
12-15-2009, 10:56 AM
Saunders and Weaver are still good pitchers and we shall see if Kazmir can come back to form (but he stunk in the playoffs). It is the 4th and 5th starters that worry me. Santana might be good if he can do what he did after his horrible start than hitting the DL. We have young arms to compete for the 5th spot. Matt Palmer might be put back in the rotation after winning games with an ERA over 4.50. Dude was something like 10-1. Angels might be good for a playoff spot but not sure on beating teams like the beasts from the east. No Halladay and losing Lackey (I dont think he is worth 5 years at that price) will have this team digressing.

80smith
12-15-2009, 05:08 PM
I like this!
Sox land outfielder Pierre from Dodgers.

Over 145 games played in 2009, Pierre hit .308, with 30 stolen bases, 57 runs scored and a .365 on-base percentage. He ranked fifth in the National League in the stolen base category, despite starting just 76 games.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091215&content_id=7812060&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

WABronco
12-15-2009, 06:14 PM
And Lee will only be in Seattle for one year. He wants a C.C. Sabathia type contract which is the main reason why the Phils let him go in favor of Halliday.

Well, we either just traded 3 decidedly non blue chip prospects for a year of Cliff Lee and 2 comp picks, or we just traded 3 decidedly non blue chip prospects for Cliff Lee and a possible extension.

The package we gave for Bedard makes this one look like peanuts.

TonyR
12-15-2009, 07:24 PM
...or we just traded 3 decidedly non blue chip prospects for Cliff Lee and a possible extension.


You probably know about the team and ownership group a lot better than I do. Felix Hernandez is going to command somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 million over 5+ years. Will they be willing to go $100+ and 5+ years for Lee as well? I don't think any team has ever had two $100 million starters.

DBroncos4life
12-15-2009, 07:39 PM
You probably know about the team and ownership group a lot better than I do. Felix Hernandez is going to command somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 million over 5+ years. Will they be willing to go $100+ and 5+ years for Lee as well? I don't think any team has ever had two $100 million starters.

The Yankee's have 161 million in C.C and another 82 million in A.J so I think 200 million invested in Lee and Hernadez would be worth it.

TonyR
12-15-2009, 07:42 PM
...I think 200 million invested in Lee and Hernadez would be worth it.

I agree, but does the Mariners organization have the resources to support that kind of payroll?

Probably wrong of me to assume they won't do it. Of course it's possible. They do currently have the 10th highest payroll despite playing in a relatively small market. But it would be odd to ramp up the payroll considerably and try to compete with the big boys in this economy.

WABronco
12-15-2009, 07:49 PM
Obviously the preference would be to keep the guy along with Felix, but ya there are lots of interesting dynamics. Say Felix scoffs at any attempt to sign him before FA, well then we have a slightly less attractive but still pretty solid option in Cliff Lee then to throw money at. All indications are though that the movement with Felix is going well. Two draft picks (if it's decided to let Lee leave), with GMZ at the helm, look pretty good as well.

Seattle has money. They've been pouring ~100 mil into horrific teams for a few years now. Who knows, maybe ownership is willing to open up even a little more now with a competent front office.

Also, didn't mean to come off like I was trashing Philly there. The guys from Seattle certainly aren't garbage (solid closer 'spect, somewhat volatile no. 3 starter 'spect, and a speed merchant CF'er who knows how to defend and take a walk). It's just very surprising to not have to give up any of our top young players or high ceiling guys (though JC Ramirez was probably our best starting pitcher prospect), and we get Cliff freakin' Lee.

WABronco
12-15-2009, 07:53 PM
Glad I'm not a Mets fan, btw.

TonyR
12-15-2009, 07:56 PM
It's just very surprising to not have to give up any of our top young players or high ceiling guys (though JC Ramirez was probably our best starting pitcher prospect), and we get Cliff freakin' Lee.

Any idea how Ramirez compares to Drabek? The Phils said all along they wouldn't give him up, including back when they acquired Lee instead of Halladay, and now they go and give him up along with OF prospect Michael Taylor. I don't understand why the Phils didn't bite the bullet, hold onto Lee at only $9 million this year, get Halladay, and win the Series this coming season!

WABronco
12-15-2009, 08:09 PM
Here's a little snippet from a good site, www.prospectinsider.com:

Ramirez was probably the most promising starting pitching prospect in the Mariners system, and offers a basement value of a late-inning reliever.

He spent 2009 at High Desert -- a tough place to pitch -- but held his own and showed a more consistent delivery and release point to go with a low-90s fastball and improving slider.

Ramirez reminds a lot of scouts of former Mariners pitcher Rafael Soriano with his easy velocity and smooth mechanics, but also shares Soriano's lack of a polished second pitch at the same stage of their pitching careers. Ramirez throws from a high-3/4 arm slot, which tends to help him generate horizontal movement on his fastball.

He's worked on a change, which has shown some promise, but the pitch is probably at least two years away. Ramirez's command and understanding of how to attack different hitters uniquely has greatly progresses since 2007. Spending 2010 in Double-A will be the real test for him, as better hitters and fair ballparks present themselves at his doorstep.

If he fails to develop a reasonable set of secondary offerings, Ramirez fastball will probably play up in a bullpen role where he could touch the mid-90s regularly (he's done this on occasion in the recent past) and get away with a mediocre breaking ball and the lack of great fastball command.

If all goes well, Ramirez could break into the big leagues in 2011 with a chance to be a No. 2 or 3 starter.

Most people I've been reading don't think he's in Drabek's league. He also isn't as close to the majors as Drabek.

That site btw has nice little reports on all three guys sent to Philly. Tyson Gillies is legally deaf I think, so he's a cool story. Aumont is french canadian...quite the mix.

24champ
12-16-2009, 12:09 AM
I like this!
Sox land outfielder Pierre from Dodgers.

Over 145 games played in 2009, Pierre hit .308, with 30 stolen bases, 57 runs scored and a .365 on-base percentage. He ranked fifth in the National League in the stolen base category, despite starting just 76 games.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091215&content_id=7812060&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

White Sox can have him, Pierre was inconsistent last season. Had a great start but was a pile of inconsistent at the plate at the end. See ya!

Dodgers save 8 million in cash, and get two prospects to be named later that are ready for the MLB in 2010. Not top flight talent obviously.

Bronco LB52
12-16-2009, 12:58 PM
Here are some videos I shot of the Mariners' prospects that Philadelphia will be receiving:

Tyson Gillies
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Phillippe Aumont
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J.C. Ramirez
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80smith
12-16-2009, 02:42 PM
White Sox can have him, Pierre was inconsistent last season. Had a great start but was a pile of inconsistent at the plate at the end. See ya!

Dodgers save 8 million in cash, and get two prospects to be named later that are ready for the MLB in 2010. Not top flight talent obviously.

The face of the White Sox keeps changing. And the first face you'll see in the White Sox lineup next season will be Juan Pierre. Remember him, Cubs fans? Pierre was the odd man out when the Dodgers acquired Manny Ramirez in 2008. But when Manny was suspended 50 games last season, Pierre re-appeared and came to life. He produced a .308 average in 380 at bats which included an OBP of .365, pretty good for a guy with no power. He also stole 30 bases, also a significant figure for this many at bats. Podsednik came off the Rockies scrapheap to have one of his finest seasons. He managed a .304 average in 537 at bats with the White Sox which included an OBP of 367. He also hit 7 homers, drove in 48 runs and scored 75 runs.

So here's the skinny. Pierre is a much better base runner and when playing a full season has swiped over 60 bases. He's a better bunter, keeps the ball in play more and doesn't get injured. Pierre doesn't walk very often but he doesn't strikeout very often. Neither player is a gold glove outfielder but scouts will tell you Pierre takes better routes to the ball than Podsednik. And you have to wonder whether Podsednik can repeat what was a near career year. While General Manager Kenny Williams refused to discuss whether Pierre is a better play than Podsednik, he is an upgrade; not a considerable one but an upgrade just the same. Bottom line; the White Sox got better.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/george-ofman-thats-all-she-wrote/2009/12/new-speed-at-the-top.html

This is why I like the signing.

SouthStndJunkie
12-16-2009, 02:55 PM
Here are some videos I shot of the Mariners' prospects that Philadelphia will be receiving:

Tyson Gillies
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Phillippe Aumont
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J.C. Ramirez
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High quality....you say you shot them?

Bronco LB52
12-16-2009, 03:22 PM
High quality....you say you shot them?

Yes I did. I have a little HD camera I take to minor league ballgames.

I have a few Tigers videos from the Arizona Fall League that I need to post online.

Bronco LB52
12-16-2009, 03:29 PM
SouthStndJunkie

This isn't in HD quality, but here's a video I shot of Austin Jackson when he was with the Yankees in fall of 2008.

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bombay
12-16-2009, 03:35 PM
Nice work.

broncocalijohn
12-16-2009, 11:06 PM
Yes I did. I have a little HD camera I take to minor league ballgames.

I have a few Tigers videos from the Arizona Fall League that I need to post online.

you live in the high desert or something? I thought Long Beach. Unless you went to Rancho Cucamonga, that is a far trip. Sucks Vegas is now Toronto farm AAA, but great trip to see Angels/Bees play there. Great seats at a great price.

SouthStndJunkie
12-16-2009, 11:15 PM
SouthStndJunkie

This isn't in HD quality, but here's a video I shot of Austin Jackson when he was with the Yankees in fall of 2008.


Thanks....much appreciated.

Bronco LB52
12-17-2009, 02:04 AM
you live in the high desert or something? I thought Long Beach. Unless you went to Rancho Cucamonga, that is a far trip. Sucks Vegas is now Toronto farm AAA, but great trip to see Angels/Bees play there. Great seats at a great price.

I live in the San Diego area. Those videos were shot at The Diamond in Lake Elsinore, which is the Padres affiliate and closest Cal League team to me.

How often do you make it to Vegas for PCL games?

It's unfortunate the Dodgers left Las Vegas, but I can't blame them because Mayor Goodman and the city have little interest in putting money into Cashman Field. When the Winter Meetings were held in Las Vegas last year, Goodman made the foolish error of pitching his cry for a MLB team in front of the minor league contingency.

It's crazy that nobody wants to sign a player development contract with Las Vegas these days when it used to be one of the crown jewels of Triple-A ball.

I think most teams are scared off by Vegas simply due to the bad influence the nightlife has on their players and the fact that its high and dry climate make it a tough place to develop pitchers.

24champ
12-17-2009, 03:03 AM
I live in the San Diego area. Those videos were shot at The Diamond in Lake Elsinore, which is the Padres affiliate and closest Cal League team to me.

How often do you make it to Vegas for PCL games?

It's unfortunate the Dodgers left Las Vegas, but I can't blame them because Mayor Goodman and the city have little interest in putting money into Cashman Field. When the Winter Meetings were held in Las Vegas last year, Goodman made the foolish error of pitching his cry for a MLB team in front of the minor league contingency.

It's crazy that nobody wants to sign a player development contract with Las Vegas these days when it used to be one of the crown jewels of Triple-A ball.

I think most teams are scared off by Vegas simply due to the bad influence the nightlife has on their players and the fact that its high and dry climate make it a tough place to develop pitchers.

Cashman Field is a dump, it's not up to triple A standards anymore. Single A baseball stadium is what it is. Vegas never kept up with the Ballpark, no noticeable upgrades to it, and as a result it shows why no MLB team is seriously considering moving there. Goodman can yap all he wants, but until Vegas starts investing in their own teams they have now...nobody will consider Vegas.

I'm glad the Dodgers got the hell out of there. I don't know if you have been in the clubhouse...but it is very small. Players work out in the hall ways...it's ridiculous. The locker room is very small as well. I honestly don't know how the hell it's still going...NOBODY wanted to go to Vegas. Toronto didn't have a choice, they didn't like Vegas but had no choice.

Isotopes Park is one of AAA's finest facilities, behind Sacramento and Memphis IMO. Dodgers prospects benefit from the move the most, have better facilities to train under.

WABronco
12-18-2009, 12:03 PM
Wait wait.........................what? Someone traded for Carlos Silva? Are you joking me?

WABronco
12-18-2009, 12:06 PM
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/zdru.jpg

ALL HAIL CHUBBY BALD GOD

Bronco LB52
12-18-2009, 12:13 PM
Wait wait.........................what? Someone traded for Carlos Silva? Are you joking me?

Jack Zduriencik's best move yet.

Chicago is a tough baseball town to play in so I don't think Bradley ever handled the media and fan scrutiny too well. Bradley kept a low profile for the most part when he was with San Diego and Texas so I think Seattle will be a good fit for him.

WABronco
12-18-2009, 12:23 PM
Agreed. I mean, there's serious risk, obviously. But, Carlos Silva is GONE. We get a guy who can OBP over 400 if he doesn't go ape.

Love it.

SouthStndJunkie
01-05-2010, 02:44 PM
Looks like Randy Johnson is retiring.

I was glad to see him get his 300th win last year.

bombay
01-05-2010, 02:47 PM
The Cardinals and Matt Holliday are very close to a deal. The Hollidays are allegedly house hunting in St Louis today.

bombay
01-05-2010, 03:03 PM
The Cardinals and Matt Holliday are very close to a deal. The Hollidays are allegedly house hunting in St Louis today.


Done. Initial report is 7/120.

Way too long, a little too much. Five times 17 would have been more palatable.

24champ
01-05-2010, 03:15 PM
The Cardinals and Matt Holliday are very close to a deal. The Hollidays are allegedly house hunting in St Louis today.

Are the Cards going to teach him to catch a routine fly ball? ;D

WABronco
01-05-2010, 03:25 PM
Dear Red Sox,

Go **** Yourself.

RIP Adrian Beltre. 2004-2009. You were a good man, and an even better lover.

SouthStndJunkie
01-06-2010, 09:08 PM
Andre Dawson finally gets voted into the Hall of Fame.

I thought 'The Hawk' was a borderline prospect, who probably deserved to make it in. He played in an era before the power stats exploded due to PEDs.

Injuries kept him from putting up better numbers. Dawson was an all around complete player, who had a cannon for an arm and could also steal bases.

Looks like Roberto Alomar was not voted in....but I am sure he will make it next year.

Taco John
01-06-2010, 09:11 PM
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/zdru.jpg

ALL HAIL CHUBBY BALD GOD

Fer sure!

TheChamp24
01-06-2010, 09:13 PM
I thought Dawson would fall into that very good, not great category myself, but can't deny the guy was amazing playing for crap teams.
I thought Alomar would've been a lock, but maybe not since Sandberg wasn't a 1st ballot either.

broncocalijohn
01-06-2010, 09:22 PM
If Jim Rice made it in then I think Dawson should go in also. He had huge Homerun numbers and was even a MVP for a last place Cubs team! You dont see that very often and likely never will again.

ZONA
01-06-2010, 09:59 PM
MLB sucks. Talk about your watered down season. Somebody wake me up when it's October again..........yawn.

80smith
01-08-2010, 06:11 PM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100108&content_id=7891494&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Royals sign Podsednik to one-year deal.

Good luck Pods. May the White Sox kick your ass.

Hogan11
01-08-2010, 06:20 PM
If Jim Rice made it in then I think Dawson should go in also. He had huge Homerun numbers and was even a MVP for a last place Cubs team! You dont see that very often and likely never will again.

They'll put him in as a Cub probably...but he should go in as an Expo

It wouldn't surprise me any, unfairly dissing Montreal is amazingly still in vogue

bombay
01-11-2010, 12:17 PM
Mark McGwire has admitted he took steroids in 1998.

SURPRISE!

montrose
01-11-2010, 12:21 PM
Mark McGwire has admitted he took steroids in 1998.

SURPRISE!

http://www.mediabistro.com/unbeige/original/bush-shock-1.jpg

bombay
01-11-2010, 12:21 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=9533663

broncocalijohn
01-11-2010, 12:24 PM
They'll put him in as a Cub probably...but he should go in as an Expo

It wouldn't surprise me any, unfairly dissing Montreal is amazingly still in vogue

Well, they are french and from another country.

bombay
01-11-2010, 12:29 PM
The Pirates are very close to a deal with Ryan Church. Pending physical.

Hogan11
01-11-2010, 08:08 PM
The Pirates are very close to a deal with Ryan Church. Pending physical.

He suits their needs for a OF bench/platoon guy, the back issues concern me though. I was hoping to get a steal on Ankiel, but that was wishful thinking with Boras as his agent.

SouthStndJunkie
01-14-2010, 10:34 PM
http://www.freep.com/article/20100114/SPORTS02/100114050/1354/SPORTS/Reports-Tigers-sign-closer-Jose-Valverde-for-2-years

Reports: Tigers sign closer Jose Valverde for two years

Valverde also costs the Tigers their first-round pick in June’s amateur draft. Valverde ranked in the top statistical tier of free-agent relievers, so as compensation for signing him, the Tigers must surrender their first-round selection spot (19th overall) to Houston.

SouthStndJunkie
01-14-2010, 10:36 PM
Detroit needed a closer....but I'm not a fan of losing our first round pick in the amateur draft....it goes against the philosophy of the direction the team said they were going.

bombay
01-14-2010, 10:43 PM
He suits their needs for a OF bench/platoon guy, the back issues concern me though. I was hoping to get a steal on Ankiel, but that was wishful thinking with Boras as his agent.


Give it time. I don't think Ankiel will have many (any?) other offers. Trust me, though, you'll get very tired of watching him get himself out. Anyone who throws him a fastball is a fool.

Bronco LB52
01-14-2010, 10:48 PM
Detroit needed a closer....but I'm not a fan of losing our first round pick in the amateur draft....it goes against the philosophy of the direction the team said they were going.

I totally agree.

If you are going to cut salary and go with young players, the last thing I would be worried about is finding a specialist to pitch one inning. I would be using the limited resources to find an everyday nine and five starters.

I would have rather seen the Tigers give Ryan Perry, Joel Zumaya or Daniel Schlereth a shot at closing.

Pseudofool
01-14-2010, 10:56 PM
Who knows what the Tigers are doing. Good times to be a Twins fan.

Bronco LB52
01-15-2010, 12:19 AM
Who knows what the Tigers are doing. Good times to be a Twins fan.

It is indeed considering they are going back outdoors. Are you planning on seeing the new park this year?

Bronco LB52
01-15-2010, 12:23 AM
MLB sucks. Talk about your watered down season. Somebody wake me up when it's October again..........yawn.

You live near HoHoKam Park and you're spewing this blaspemy?

Taco John
01-15-2010, 01:20 AM
MLB sucks. Talk about your watered down season. Somebody wake me up when it's October again..........yawn.

I used to think so too.

I'm glad that I learned I was wrong.

Taco John
01-15-2010, 01:21 AM
I actually think I love May baseball more than August baseball.

80smith
01-15-2010, 04:34 AM
Who knows what the Tigers are doing. Good times to be a Twins fan.

Who is going to be at 3rd for them? I have not heard anything or bother to look it up. I'm hoping the white sox offence will come together some how and make some trouble for the twins. I'm pretty happy with the white sox rotation BUT I worry about the twins.....

Hogan11
01-15-2010, 08:33 AM
Give it time. I don't think Ankiel will have many (any?) other offers. Trust me, though, you'll get very tired of watching him get himself out. Anyone who throws him a fastball is a fool.

When Church was signed, the need was filled. The Bucs are no longer interested in him. When players are represented by Boras, they generally steer clear of them because of obivous reasons, so it's no surprise that a deal couldn't get done.

They're now after 2nd tier relief pitchers & closers. I was mildly surprised by all the interest in Capps, afterall, he was the Ian Snell of closers.

Bronco LB52
01-22-2010, 01:03 PM
Grant Desme, a top Athletics prospect who had a 30-40 season in the minors last year, is retiring from baseball to become a priest.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4849432

Bronco LB52
01-22-2010, 01:06 PM
SSJ

Any thoughts on Miguel Cabrera going through a three-month alcohol treatment program?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4846342

Bronco LB52
01-22-2010, 01:09 PM
Kid A

Your Royals signed Rick Ankiel to a one-year contract worth $2.75 million today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4848252

SouthStndJunkie
01-22-2010, 01:21 PM
SSJ

Any thoughts on Miguel Cabrera going through a three-month alcohol treatment program?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4846342

It sounds like he really needed to.

Miggy could mash when he was drunk....let's see what he can do when he is sober.

I see Miggy getting a lot of walks and being pitched around this year, as he is the only big time threat in the lineup.

broncocalijohn
01-22-2010, 01:38 PM
How do you get rid of Gary Mathews Jr and his steroid laden contract? Ship him to the Mets for one of their stiffs. Joel Pineiro signed two year $16 million. I think Angels got another great deal, short term contract. Of course he came on his own just last season but if he keeps that sinker working, Angels will still have a good/great 5 starters. Nice to see Dodgers finally came around to sign some worthy players.

Bronco LB52
01-22-2010, 01:45 PM
It sounds like he really needed to.

Miggy could mash when he was drunk....let's see what he can do when he is sober.

I see Miggy getting a lot of walks and being pitched around this year, as he is the only big time threat in the lineup.

I think some felt Cabrera underperformed his first two years with Detroit despite being the AL HR champ in year one and getting a first place vote for MVP last year.

He has always been Albert Pujols lite in my mind, but I wondered how he would age considering he never made conditioning and his health a top priority.

Hopefully he stays on track with his recovery because the sky is the limit. He turns 27 in April and he holds a lifetime .311 batting average with 209 home runs, 753 RBIs and a .542 slugging percentage.

Bronco LB52
01-22-2010, 01:53 PM
How do you get rid of Gary Mathews Jr and his steroid laden contract? Ship him to the Mets for one of their stiffs. Joel Pineiro signed two year $16 million. I think Angels got another great deal, short term contract. Of course he came on his own just last season but if he keeps that sinker working, Angels will still have a good/great 5 starters. Nice to see Dodgers finally came around to sign some worthy players.

Pineiro was a great pickup for the Halos.

Trading Sarge, Jr. stings though because the Angels are paying $21.5 of the $23.5 million that is owed to him over the final two years. OUCH!

SouthStndJunkie
01-26-2010, 11:43 AM
OAKLAND, Calif. -- The Oakland Athletics added another veteran arm to their young rotation, agreeing to terms Tuesday with free-agent righty Ben Sheets on a $10 million, one-year contract.

The 31-year-old Sheets has been plagued by injuries. The four-time NL All-Star didn't pitch in the majors last season while recovering from elbow surgery but last week held a pitching session for several scouts in Louisiana.

Bronco LB52
01-26-2010, 11:48 AM
OAKLAND, Calif. -- The Oakland Athletics added another veteran arm to their young rotation, agreeing to terms Tuesday with free-agent righty Ben Sheets on a $10 million, one-year contract.

The 31-year-old Sheets has been plagued by injuries. The four-time NL All-Star didn't pitch in the majors last season while recovering from elbow surgery but last week held a pitching session for several scouts in Louisiana.

That's a gutsy move for the A's.

I can't believe Sheets got that much money even on a one-year deal.

broncocalijohn
01-26-2010, 01:33 PM
That's a gutsy move for the A's.

I can't believe Sheets got that much money even on a one-year deal.

A's just got retarded. Sheets is a good pitcher......when healthy. Is he worth $10 million for a team that will probably finish at the bottom of the division? Nope. Pineiro signed for two years $16 million for the Angels and he isnt injured plagued. I guess they wanted Eric Chavez to have some company in the trainer's office.

Kid A
01-26-2010, 05:29 PM
Kid A

Your Royals signed Rick Ankiel to a one-year contract worth $2.75 million today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4848252

:sigh: I know.

Joe Poz sums it up well again: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/joe_posnanski/01/23/royals.ankiel/index.html

The Royals are soaked with mediocre-to-bad outfielders...Then they sign Rick Ankiel. I'm not saying this is a BAD move -- I'm so completely confused by it that I can't even think in terms of good and bad...

But what makes the whole thing so baffling is that I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to accomplish. It is just so disconcerting that three and a half years after Dayton Moore was hired in Kansas City, their minor league system is so bereft of Major League ready talent, they are going around the league and signing 30-somethings that nobody else wants. It is troubling that the Royals plan in 2010, apparently, is to make fans hope that a bunch of older players will recapture their past glory -- or at least their past moderate success...

But I guess that's the point: If they ARE blocking younger talents, then the Royals are doing a lousy job of developing players.

And if they ARE NOT blocking younger talents, then the Royals are doing a lousy job of developing players.

So maybe it's really not confusing at all.

SouthStndJunkie
01-26-2010, 08:51 PM
Jim Thome agreed to terms with the Twins on a one-year, $1.5 million contract, pending a physical. The deal includes up to $750,000 in incentives.

80smith
01-26-2010, 08:54 PM
jim thome agreed to terms with the twins on a one-year, $1.5 million contract, pending a physical. The deal includes up to $750,000 in incentives.

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish him the best!

SouthStndJunkie
01-26-2010, 09:43 PM
SAN DIEGO ---- The Padres' 2010 rotation looks a lot sturdier after free agent Jon Garland signed a one-year deal with the club Tuesday, multiple sources confirmed.

The deal, which was finalized after Garland passed a physical in the early afternoon, is worth $5.3 million and includes a $6.75 mutual option for 2011.

broncocalijohn
01-26-2010, 11:26 PM
Garland sure has bounced from every west coast team imaginable since departing from the Sox. I have Angels, Diamondbacks, Dodgers and now the Padres.

Bronco CB40
01-26-2010, 11:27 PM
Jim Thome agreed to terms with the Twins on a one-year, $1.5 million contract, pending a physical. The deal includes up to $750,000 in incentives.

He has now played with three of the five AL Central teams.

Bronco CB40
01-26-2010, 11:29 PM
Garland sure has bounced from every west coast team imaginable since departing from the Sox. I have Angels, Diamondbacks, Dodgers and now the Padres.

And he played for both Chicago teams.

TonyR
01-27-2010, 07:11 AM
Damon may be making a big mistake. If/when the Yanks pull out completely he may end up playing for much less than the Yanks originally offered.


After four seasons and one championship, Johnny Damon won't be returning to the New York Yankees unless he slashes his asking price.
"I'm not having any discussions on him," general manager Brian Cashman said, according to MLB.com. "His abilities exceed the money that I have."
Cashman told the Web site that his priority is finding a right-handed bat for the outfield.
Damon, a left-handed hitter, batted .282 with a career-high tying 24 home runs and 82 RBIs, but he is 36 years old.
He earned $13 million last season. After back and forth in negotiations yielded little, ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney reported that the Yankees offered Damon a one-year deal over the weekend. Now, they appear to be backing off.
"He's a valuable player that a lot of teams are talking to, I'm sure," Cashman said, according to MLB.com. "His abilities exceed my physical ability to keep my finances afloat."
The Yankees continuously lead the league in payroll, but there are indications that they aren't willing to go higher than their 2009 levels.
"I'll always try to get the budget pushed, but you're not always successful," Cashman said, according to the Web site. "The Steinbrenner family has been extremely generous for adding talent, but you can't do everything."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4861828

DBroncos4life
01-27-2010, 02:00 PM
Damon may be making a big mistake. If/when the Yanks pull out completely he may end up playing for much less than the Yanks originally offered.


After four seasons and one championship, Johnny Damon won't be returning to the New York Yankees unless he slashes his asking price.
"I'm not having any discussions on him," general manager Brian Cashman said, according to MLB.com. "His abilities exceed the money that I have."
Cashman told the Web site that his priority is finding a right-handed bat for the outfield.
Damon, a left-handed hitter, batted .282 with a career-high tying 24 home runs and 82 RBIs, but he is 36 years old.
He earned $13 million last season. After back and forth in negotiations yielded little, ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney reported that the Yankees offered Damon a one-year deal over the weekend. Now, they appear to be backing off.
"He's a valuable player that a lot of teams are talking to, I'm sure," Cashman said, according to MLB.com. "His abilities exceed my physical ability to keep my finances afloat."
The Yankees continuously lead the league in payroll, but there are indications that they aren't willing to go higher than their 2009 levels.
"I'll always try to get the budget pushed, but you're not always successful," Cashman said, according to the Web site. "The Steinbrenner family has been extremely generous for adding talent, but you can't do everything."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4861828

The Yankee's just signed Randy Winn so it looks like Dammon won't be playing in New York.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4863701

SouthStndJunkie
01-30-2010, 01:20 AM
Pitcher Justin Verlander and the Detroit Tigers have begun talks on a five-year contract extension worth around $75 million, Yahoo! Sports reported on Friday.

Verlander, who is eligible for arbitration, told the Detroit News last week he wants to "take care of this season first."

A five-year deal would cover Verlander's last two years of arbitration eligibility and first three years of free-agent eligibility. Seattle's Felix Hernandez has been compared to Verlander. Hernandez recently agreed to a five-year contract for $78 million.

Verlander, 26, was 19-9 last season and led the league with 240 innings and 269 strikeouts. He finished third in AL Cy Young voting.

"We've said all along that we're hopeful to keep Justin Verlander part of our organization for a long time," Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski said.

SouthStndJunkie
01-30-2010, 01:23 AM
Keeping JV in Detroit for at least the next 5 years would be kick ass.

He is the one player that Detroit needs to lock up....aces like him don't grow on trees.

Bronco CB40
01-30-2010, 04:06 PM
Keeping JV in Detroit for at least the next 5 years would be kick ass.

He is the one player that Detroit needs to lock up....aces like him don't grow on trees.

What's scary is that Verlander still has room to grow and get better.

Bronco CB40
01-31-2010, 01:01 AM
If you are baseball starved, the Serie del Caribe starts this Monday and MLB Network will be airing two games a day until Saturday.

Here are the teams that will be participating:

Dominican Republic: Leones del Escogido
Venezuela: Leones del Caracas
Mexico: Naranjeros de Hermosillo
Puerto Rico: Indios de Mayaguez

SouthStndJunkie
01-31-2010, 11:57 AM
The Cincinnati Reds and free-agent shortstop Orlando Cabrera have agreed to a one-year, $3 million contract, MLB.com has reported, citing an unnamed source.

Bronco CB40
01-31-2010, 01:29 PM
The Cincinnati Reds and free-agent shortstop Orlando Cabrera have agreed to a one-year, $3 million contract, MLB.com has reported, citing an unnamed source.

The Reggie Sanders of shortstops.

Cito Pelon
01-31-2010, 01:42 PM
How do you get rid of Gary Mathews Jr and his steroid laden contract? Ship him to the Mets for one of their stiffs. Joel Pineiro signed two year $16 million. I think Angels got another great deal, short term contract. Of course he came on his own just last season but if he keeps that sinker working, Angels will still have a good/great 5 starters. Nice to see Dodgers finally came around to sign some worthy players.

MLB is nothing to me until they get rid of the Steroid era records. MLB is of no more importance to me than pro wrestling. MLB is not even a sport until they scrub clean the records from the steroid era.

Lenny Dykstra, a poster boy for steroids, went bankrupt a few days ago and that's how it should be.

sixtimeseight
01-31-2010, 02:03 PM
MLB is nothing to me until they get rid of the Steroid era records. MLB is of no more importance to me than pro wrestling. MLB is not even a sport until they scrub clean the records from the steroid era.

Lenny Dykstra, a poster boy for steroids, went bankrupt a few days ago and that's how it should be.

Nobody cares.

Bronco CB40
02-02-2010, 01:56 AM
Serie del Caribe (a.k.a. Caribbean Series) starts today on MLB Network.

Here are the rosters:

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
Los Leones del Escogido
Pitchers
Raúl Valdez, Nerio Rodríguez, Jason Standridge, Heath Phillips, Nelson Figueroa, Julio Mañón, Darío Veras, José Veras, Claudio Galvá, Félix Díaz, Pedro Viola, Joel Peralta.
Catchers
Wilkin Castillo, Danilo Sánchez, Brayan Peña.
Infielders
Emilio Bonifacio, Willis Otáñez, Alex Valdez, Argenis Reyes, Joaquín Arias, Ramón Santiago, Juan Francisco, Kevin Barker.
Outfielders
Ben Copeland, Wladimir Balentien, Fernando Martínez, Freddy Guzmán, Víctor Méndez.


MEXICO
Naranjeros de Hermosillo
Pitchers
Juan Delgadillo, Travis Blackley, Juan P. Oramas, Pablo Ortega, Walter Silva, Hector D. Rodriguez, Francisco Campos, Rafael Martin, Mario Mendoza Jr., Hector Navarro, Francisco Felix, Edgar Huerta, Fernando Salas, Marco Zavala.
Catchers
Humberto Cota, Saul Sota, Adan Amezcua.
Infielders
Luis Alfonso Garcia, Carlos Gastelum, Carlos Valencia, Vinny Castilla, Luis Alfonso Cruz, Heber Gomez.
Outfielders
Nelson Teilon, Chris Roberson, Karim Garcia, Ruben Rivera.


VENEZUELA
Leones del Caracas
Pitchers
Guillermo Moscoso, Jose Ortegano, Ramon Ramirez, Jose Sanchez, Jason Simontacchi, Heath Totten, Edgar Alfonzo, Darwin Cubillan, Edgar Estanga, Gabriel Garcia, Yoel Hernandez, Eric Junge, Orber Moreno, Rayner Oliveros, Elio Serrano.
Catchers
Carlos Maldonado, Jose Lobaton.
Infielders
Marwin Gonzalez, Jesus Guzman, Luis Maza, Raul Padron, Eduardo Perez, Gregorio Petit, Oscar Salazar.
Outfielders
Erold Andrus, Jose Duarte, Jackson Melian, Cesar Quintero, Rene Reyes, Michael Ryan.


PUERTO RICO
Indios de Mayaguez
Pitchers
Fernando Cabrera, Pete Parise, Bill Simas, Hector Hernandez, Juan Padilla, Brodie Downs, Nelvin Fuentes, Angel Garcia, Bill Pulsipher, Mario Santiago, Andrew Baldwin, Saul Rivera, Efrain Nieves, Orlando Roman.
Catchers
Edwards Guzman, Stephen Morales, Martin Maldonado, Raul Casanova.
Infielders
Randy Ruiz, Felix Molina, Angel Sanchez, Danny Valencia, Luis Figueroa.
Outfielders
Michael Hernandez, Jesus Feliciano, Miguel Abreu, Edgardo Baez, Armando Rios.

80smith
02-10-2010, 08:21 PM
As I stated in my White sox thread in the MLB section...
I don't like this:

Vizquel to wear Aparicio's No. 11
White Sox to un-retire Hall of Famer's number.

But while the only native Venezuelan to be elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame will not be coming out of retirement at age 75, his jersey will be back in action for the 2010 campaign.

The White Sox announced Monday that Aparicio has given his consent for Omar Vizquel to wear No. 11 in his first year with the White Sox, as the number will be un-retired by the organization for Vizquel to wear in tribute. Vizquel termed such largesse coming from his countryman as a "tremendous honor," speaking during a Monday afternoon press conference, and then went on to explain how the un-retirement of No. 11 came about.

Read the rest
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100208&content_id=8037480&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

SouthStndJunkie
02-11-2010, 01:53 PM
http://www.freep.com/article/20100211/SPORTS02/100211051/1355/sports/Report-Tigers-offer-OF-Damon-two-years-14M

Report: Tigers offer Johnny Damon 2 years, $14 million

Pendejo
02-11-2010, 02:00 PM
http://www.freep.com/article/20100211/SPORTS02/100211051/1355/sports/Report-Tigers-offer-OF-Damon-two-years-14M

Report: Tigers offer Johnny Damon 2 years, $14 million

According to mlbtraderumors.com...the Braves and White Sox are also in the mix. You'd have to think Damon would jump all over the Tigers' offer considering what the market has been for him up to this point.

80smith
02-11-2010, 06:29 PM
Big Hurt decides to call it a career

Longtime White Sox star Thomas is 18th on home run list

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100211&content_id=8063648&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

SouthStndJunkie
02-11-2010, 09:26 PM
Big Hurt decides to call it a career

Longtime White Sox star Thomas is 18th on home run list

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100211&content_id=8063648&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

Frank Thomas was always a player that I enjoyed watching.

A great all around hitter in his prime.

SouthStndJunkie
02-12-2010, 08:40 AM
Right-hander Tim Lincecum and the San Francisco Giants have settled their arbitration case, with the two-time NL Cy Young winner signing a multiyear contract ahead of Friday's scheduled hearing, sources tell ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.

broncocalijohn
02-12-2010, 08:42 AM
Big Hurt decides to call it a career

Longtime White Sox star Thomas is 18th on home run list

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100211&content_id=8063648&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

I really enjoyed his playing and always felt that he did it clean like Griffey. Too many injuries but he was a smasher.

SouthStndJunkie
02-20-2010, 04:37 PM
Johnny Damon has agreed to a one-year, $8 million deal with the Detroit Tigers, pending a physical, a league source told ESPN's Karl Ravech.

Pendejo
02-20-2010, 10:22 PM
Johnny Damon has agreed to a one-year, $8 million deal with the Detroit Tigers, pending a physical, a league source told ESPN's Karl Ravech.

So did the Tigers basically wind up swapping Granderson for Damon and prospects? I haven't been following the situation that closely. That's not too bad for the Tigers although that's more money than I thought Damon would get. It will be interesting to see the numbers he puts up outside of the bandbox in New York. I think Granderson will put up some pretty good numbers in the Bronx.

SoCalBronco
02-20-2010, 11:54 PM
Big Hurt decides to call it a career

Longtime White Sox star Thomas is 18th on home run list

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100211&content_id=8063648&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

By far, my favorite baseball player of all time. Happy retirement to the Big Hurt! Hopefully the Sox will retire his #35. I'm glad he was able to win a World Series. I'm also glad he retired before his career batting average dipped below .300. He'll be in the Hall one day not too long from now. He did it the right way, too.

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/frank-thomas-white-sox.jpg

TheChamp24
02-21-2010, 06:48 AM
So did the Tigers basically wind up swapping Granderson for Damon and prospects? I haven't been following the situation that closely. That's not too bad for the Tigers although that's more money than I thought Damon would get. It will be interesting to see the numbers he puts up outside of the bandbox in New York. I think Granderson will put up some pretty good numbers in the Bronx.

Man, it took me until I was doing fantasy baseball stuff to realize Granderson was traded. That is how little coverage I see of baseball during the offseason.
But yeah, Granderson is going to be a force in NY I believe.
Damon, $8 mil seems about right at the moment, although I wouldn't give him that much.

80smith
02-21-2010, 12:21 PM
By far, my favorite baseball player of all time. Happy retirement to the Big Hurt! Hopefully the Sox will retire his #35. I'm glad he was able to win a World Series. I'm also glad he retired before his career batting average dipped below .300. He'll be in the Hall one day not too long from now. He did it the right way, too.

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/frank-thomas-white-sox.jpg

They are going to retire his #.

"White Sox to retire uniform No. 35 in honor of Frank Thomas; Announce 'Frank Thomas Day' will be celebrated Aug. 29"

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20100212&content_id=8066092&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

I agree with what you say. I'm glad I got to see him play many times and untill Mark came around he was my favorite player also.

80smith
02-21-2010, 12:24 PM
I'm glad the sox have Jake and all but Mark is the White sox and I'm glad he is the Opening day pitcher. I may have to leave work early to go to that game....

"Buehrle named Opening Day starter
Left-hander would set team record with eighth such start"

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100221&content_id=8107918&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

SoCalBronco
02-21-2010, 01:27 PM
I'm glad the sox have Jake and all but Mark is the White sox and I'm glad he is the Opening day pitcher. I may have to leave work early to go to that game....

"Buehrle named Opening Day starter
Left-hander would set team record with eighth such start"

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100221&content_id=8107918&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

I really like our rotation this year with Buehrle, Peavy, Danks and Floyd. That is badass. Just need to score some runs.

TonyR
02-21-2010, 02:00 PM
Damon, $8 mil seems about right at the moment, although I wouldn't give him that much.

I love Damon at the plate but he isn't a very good OF and he has a terrible arm.

Missouribronc
02-21-2010, 02:04 PM
i love damon at the plate but he isn't a very good of and he has a terrible arm.

dh...

Missouribronc
02-21-2010, 02:06 PM
He'll also see a lot of time at 1B, depending on how massive Cabrera is when he comes into camp...

Bronco CB40
02-22-2010, 10:01 AM
Rockies fans

Christian Friedrich

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SouthStndJunkie
02-22-2010, 10:10 AM
dh...

I think Johnny Damon and Carlos Guillen will split left field and designated hitter duties.

I would look for Damon to get more playing time in left field than Carlos Guillen does.

Johnny Damon is still better playing LF than Carlos Guillen is.

strafen
02-22-2010, 10:20 AM
As I stated in my White sox thread in the MLB section...
I don't like this:

Vizquel to wear Aparicio's No. 11
White Sox to un-retire Hall of Famer's number.

But while the only native Venezuelan to be elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame will not be coming out of retirement at age 75, his jersey will be back in action for the 2010 campaign.

The White Sox announced Monday that Aparicio has given his consent for Omar Vizquel to wear No. 11 in his first year with the White Sox, as the number will be un-retired by the organization for Vizquel to wear in tribute. Vizquel termed such largesse coming from his countryman as a "tremendous honor," speaking during a Monday afternoon press conference, and then went on to explain how the un-retirement of No. 11 came about.

Read the rest
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100208&content_id=8037480&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cwsI didn't know that.
Venezuela has produced some good shortstops: Ozzie Guillen, Luis Aparicio, Omar Vizquel, Dave Conception, to name a few. I know there are more playing right now that escape my mind.
Anyway, I still think Dave Conception should be in the HoF. He won world series title as a member of the Cincinnati red machine of the late 70's
He had the misfortune to have played in the same era as the wiz Ozzie Smith.

SouthStndJunkie
02-22-2010, 10:33 AM
I didn't know that.
Venezuela has produced some good shortstops: Ozzie Guillen, Luis Aparicio, Omar Vizquel, Dave Conception, to name a few. I know there are more playing right now that escape my mind.
Anyway, I still think Dave Conception should be in the HoF. He won world series title as a member of the Cincinnati red machine of the late 70's
He had the misfortune to have played in the same era as the wiz Ozzie Smith.

Dave Concepcion belongs in the Hall of Very Good....same as Alan Trammell.

strafen
02-22-2010, 10:37 AM
Dave Concepcion belongs in the Hall of Very Good....same as Alan Trammell.The red machine was quite a team.
Alan Trammel?
Nah, not even close to Conception's status

Bronco CB40
02-22-2010, 11:00 AM
Dave Concepcion belongs in the Hall of Very Good....same as Alan Trammell.

Trammell compares favorably to the HOF shortstops that were pre-Ripken, but the shortstop position changed dramatically in the last 25 years so he's in a grey area between the old and the new.

You might have a different perspective because you are a Tigers fan, but Trammell is amongst the top 12-15 shortstops in baseball history. He has a solid case.

SouthStndJunkie
02-22-2010, 12:12 PM
Trammell compares favorably to the HOF shortstops that were pre-Ripken, but the shortstop position changed dramatically in the last 25 years so he's in a grey area between the old and the new.

You might have a different perspective because you are a Tigers fan, but Trammell is amongst the top 12-15 shortstops in baseball history. He has a solid case.

I know he has a solid case and a fine resume....I consider him a borderline prospect who will probably never get in.

I wish they could put duos in the HOF....Alan Trammell and Lou Whitaker are a Hall worthy duo.

SouthStndJunkie
02-22-2010, 12:16 PM
The red machine was quite a team.
Alan Trammel?
Nah, not even close to Conception's status

It's Dave Concepcion....if you want to make a case for him for the Hall of Fame, quit butchering his name.

Missouribronc
02-22-2010, 05:50 PM
I think Johnny Damon and Carlos Guillen will split left field and designated hitter duties.

I would look for Damon to get more playing time in left field than Carlos Guillen does.

Johnny Damon is still better playing LF than Carlos Guillen is.

Here's what I don't get...

Ryan Raburn, if he had had 550 ABs, like Damon had last season, would have had better numbers, so why sign Damon to an 8 mil contract?

Raburn would have hit 33 HRs, with 94 RBI, and gone .291/.359/.533, while Damon was 24/82, .282/.385/.489

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to pay Damon 8 mil for one year when you already have him sitting on your bench.

Pseudofool
02-22-2010, 06:15 PM
Here's what I don't get...

Ryan Raburn, if he had had 550 ABs, like Damon had last season, would have had better numbers, so why sign Damon to an 8 mil contract?

Raburn would have hit 33 HRs, with 94 RBI, and gone .291/.359/.533, while Damon was 24/82, .282/.385/.489

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to pay Damon 8 mil for one year when you already have him sitting on your bench.Two words on Raburn: Sample Size. Damon isn't a great player for the Tigers, but he's an upgrade over Raburn.

Pseudofool
02-22-2010, 06:16 PM
I really like our rotation this year with Buehrle, Peavy, Danks and Floyd. That is badass. Just need to score some runs.I like the sox rotation a lot, but I'll take my Twins in the AL Central this year.

Missouribronc
02-22-2010, 06:17 PM
Two words on Raburn: Sample Size. Damon isn't a great player for the Tigers, but he's an upgrade over Raburn.

And he may be, but Raburn's numbers jumped out at me, when I saw the signing and looked at their depth chart.

All I know is that I'd kill to get Raburn's numbers from left field on the team I root for...(Royals)

80smith
02-22-2010, 07:40 PM
I like the sox rotation a lot, but I'll take my Twins in the AL Central this year.

I just hope the sox rotation can stay healthy!... But I agree, I think the twins will take it one more year. Then its our turn next year....

80smith
02-22-2010, 07:49 PM
I really like our rotation this year with Buehrle, Peavy, Danks and Floyd. That is badass. Just need to score some runs.

That is what worries me the most, scoring the runs. I have no clue how our hitting is going to be. All I really hear about is the pitching and not too much on the hitting. That is cause for concern in my eyes. Oh and don't forget about Freddy as the 5th. I don't have high hopes for him but would love to get some quality starts from him and I will be happy. I'm in the process of trying to get some home opener tickets to see Mark but it seamsto be sold out already. Augh!!! Which in a way is fine cause that way I can go to the nexd game and see Peavy pitch for my first time....

80smith
02-23-2010, 06:36 AM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Chuck Garfien of CSNChicago.com (http://www.csnchicago.com/pages/soxdrawer) spoke to White Sox GM Ken Williams, who said that he nearly pulled off a deal that would have possibly given the club the best rotation in the history of the game. Williams wouldn't name names, but Garfien believes that he was referring to Roy Halladay (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallaro01.shtml).

This would of been SICK if it was true and would of happened... O well Its all rumors..

SouthStndJunkie
03-21-2010, 11:00 AM
Joe Nathan will undergo Tommy John ligament replacement surgery after he still had pain in his right elbow during a throwing session on Sunday, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports.

SouthStndJunkie
03-21-2010, 03:03 PM
MINNEAPOLIS -- AL MVP Joe Mauer has agreed to an eight-year, $184 million contract extension to stay with the Minnesota Twins.

The deal announced Sunday covers the 2011-2018 seasons and includes a full no-trade clause. It's the culmination of a monthslong negotiation between the Twins and their hometown star.

Mauer has won three AL batting titles and an MVP award. He is considered one of the best defensive catchers in the game. Last year he hit .365 with 28 home runs and 96 RBIs to help the Twins win the AL Central division.

The St. Paul native was the No. 1 overall pick by the Twins in 2001.

TheChamp24
03-21-2010, 03:28 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Chuck Garfien of CSNChicago.com (http://www.csnchicago.com/pages/soxdrawer) spoke to White Sox GM Ken Williams, who said that he nearly pulled off a deal that would have possibly given the club the best rotation in the history of the game. Williams wouldn't name names, but Garfien believes that he was referring to Roy Halladay (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallaro01.shtml).

This would of been SICK if it was true and would of happened... O well Its all rumors..

It will be hard for any rotation to top what the Braves had with Maddux-Glavine-Smoltz-Neagle. 3 HoFers and a guy who went to a few All Star games.

MINNEAPOLIS -- AL MVP Joe Mauer has agreed to an eight-year, $184 million contract extension to stay with the Minnesota Twins.

The deal announced Sunday covers the 2011-2018 seasons and includes a full no-trade clause. It's the culmination of a monthslong negotiation between the Twins and their hometown star.

Mauer has won three AL batting titles and an MVP award. He is considered one of the best defensive catchers in the game. Last year he hit .365 with 28 home runs and 96 RBIs to help the Twins win the AL Central division.

The St. Paul native was the No. 1 overall pick by the Twins in 2001.

Good for the Twins, keeping a guy like Mauer there. I honestly think he won't have near a year he had last year, but he'll probably always be hitting well above .300 with 20ish homeruns, 100 RBI's and playing superb defense.

Taco John
03-26-2010, 03:05 PM
Ok, Here is my Keeper league team after the draft. I love it. Let me know what you think.


C - Kurt Suzuki, Yadier Molina

1B - Albert Pujols, Kendry Morales
2B - Brandon Phillips, Asdrubal Cabrera
SS - Jose Reyes, Marco Scutaro
3B - Chone Figgins, Ian Stewart, Pablo Sandoval

OF - Ichiro Suzuki, Justin Upton, Garrett Jones, Shin-Soo Choo, Raul Ibanez, Nate McLouth

SP - Tim Lincecum, Cliff Lee, Matt Cain, James Shields, Roy Oswalt, AJ Burnett

RP - Fransico Cordero, Heath Bell

Bronco CB40
03-27-2010, 10:03 PM
Ok, Here is my Keeper league team after the draft. I love it. Let me know what you think.


C - Kurt Suzuki, Yadier Molina

1B - Albert Pujols, Kendry Morales
2B - Brandon Phillips, Asdrubal Cabrera
SS - Jose Reyes, Marco Scutaro
3B - Chone Figgins, Ian Stewart, Pablo Sandoval

OF - Ichiro Suzuki, Justin Upton, Garrett Jones, Shin-Soo Choo, Raul Ibanez, Nate McLouth

SP - Tim Lincecum, Cliff Lee, Matt Cain, James Shields, Roy Oswalt, AJ Burnett

RP - Fransico Cordero, Heath Bell

That team should contend this year. You have a pretty balanced offense with high batting average hitters, thumpers and an abundance of speed, especially if Reyes comes through. The rotation is outstanding, Burnett is one hell of a sixth starter.

You have two steady closers, but you might want to pick up another one or two once some stopper roles (i.e. Minnesota) become more concrete.

How many players do you get to keep? What are the starting positions?

My main concern would be a) finding another closer along the way and b) using a bench spot to stash a high ceiling, young hot shot (i.e. Pedro Alvarez, Justin Smoak, Desmond Jennings, Mike Stanton, Carlos Santana, Jesus Montero).

Since you're in a keeper league, you want to use a small portion of your roster to speculate on a young, high ceiling player that could develop into something special.

Missouribronc
03-28-2010, 08:03 PM
That team should contend this year. You have a pretty balanced offense with high batting average hitters, thumpers and an abundance of speed, especially if Reyes comes through. The rotation is outstanding, Burnett is one hell of a sixth starter.

You have two steady closers, but you might want to pick up another one or two once some stopper roles (i.e. Minnesota) become more concrete.

How many players do you get to keep? What are the starting positions?

My main concern would be a) finding another closer along the way and b) using a bench spot to stash a high ceiling, young hot shot (i.e. Pedro Alvarez, Justin Smoak, Desmond Jennings, Mike Stanton, Carlos Santana, Jesus Montero).

Since you're in a keeper league, you want to use a small portion of your roster to speculate on a young, high ceiling player that could develop into something special.

He'll need to trade one of his infield bench players for a solid outfielder somewhere down the road.

But not a bad lineup if you keep up with it throughout the year. IMO, drafting isn't all that important in fantasy baseball.

SouthStndJunkie
03-28-2010, 09:21 PM
Opening day in less than a week.

I love coming home from work, firing up the grill, and cooking out while listening to the Tigers game on the radio and then coming inside and watching it on tv.

I bet I listen/watch 150 Tigers games a year.

Luckily, my wife has learned to enjoy watching the Tigers over the years. If I am getting home after the game starts, she will have the tv turned on to the game already.

SoCalBronco
03-28-2010, 09:23 PM
I sure hope the White Sox look alot better when the games count.

SouthStndJunkie
03-28-2010, 09:25 PM
I sure hope the White Sox look alot better when the games count.

Blech....my least favorite team....they usually own the Tigers.

Looking at A.J. Pierzynski makes me want to punch him in the face.

WABronco
03-28-2010, 09:25 PM
Opening day in less than a week.

I love coming home from work, firing up the grill, and cooking out while listening to the Tigers game on the radio and then coming inside and watching it on tv.

I bet I listen/watch 150 Tigers games a year.

Luckily, my wife has learned to enjoy watching the Tigers over the years. If I am getting home after the game starts, she will have the tv turned on to the game already.

Livin' the life!

Totally stoked for opening day here, too bad it's not at home this year but oh well.

TheChamp24
03-29-2010, 11:02 AM
Here is my team from a 12 team, 8 player keeper league:

C - Yadier Molina and John Baker
1B - Chris Davis and Martin Prado(also 3B)
2B - Howie Kendrick
3B - Jorge Cantu and Brett Wallace
SS - Jose Reyes and Erick Aybar
LF - Nyjer Morgan and Chase Headley
CF - Josh Hamilton, Curtis Granderson and Drew Stubbs
RF - Jay Bruce, Andre Ethier and Mike Stanton

SP - Dan Haren, Chad Billingsley, Jarr Jurrjens, Ubaldo Jimenez and Scott Kazmir
RP - Heath Bell, Brian Fuentes and Jason Frasor

I know I'm not going to win, which is why I sort of focused on young guys who have the ability to be keepers, and with 8 keepers, it is tough to get better.
My 8 keepers were:
Haren, Billingsley, Jurrjens, Jimenez, Hamilton, Granderson, Bruce and Ethier, so that kind of gives you the indication that my team isn't exactly great, and I inherited a bad team. I had the 2nd pick and took Reyes, there were some good players to pick from but went with him and then his thyroid problem came about. I could've taken Tommy Hanson or Joey Votto instead.

I'm just really hoping Wallace or Stanton make a big splash.

sixtimeseight
03-29-2010, 11:26 AM
I had the 2nd pick and took Reyes

epic fail

Bronco CB40
03-29-2010, 11:38 AM
Here is my team from a 12 team, 8 player keeper league:

C - Yadier Molina and John Baker
1B - Chris Davis and Martin Prado(also 3B)
2B - Howie Kendrick
3B - Jorge Cantu and Brett Wallace
SS - Jose Reyes and Erick Aybar
LF - Nyjer Morgan and Chase Headley
CF - Josh Hamilton, Curtis Granderson and Drew Stubbs
RF - Jay Bruce, Andre Ethier and Mike Stanton

SP - Dan Haren, Chad Billingsley, Jarr Jurrjens, Ubaldo Jimenez and Scott Kazmir
RP - Heath Bell, Brian Fuentes and Jason Frasor

I know I'm not going to win, which is why I sort of focused on young guys who have the ability to be keepers, and with 8 keepers, it is tough to get better.
My 8 keepers were:
Haren, Billingsley, Jurrjens, Jimenez, Hamilton, Granderson, Bruce and Ethier, so that kind of gives you the indication that my team isn't exactly great, and I inherited a bad team. I had the 2nd pick and took Reyes, there were some good players to pick from but went with him and then his thyroid problem came about. I could've taken Tommy Hanson or Joey Votto instead.

I'm just really hoping Wallace or Stanton make a big splash.


Hopefully you can trade some of your pitching depth down the road to acquire another bat.

Bruce's progression is also really key to your success.

Stanton is a physical freak. 40 HR/20 SB ceiling. He needs another full-year of development in the minors so how much big league time he will get this season is a big question mark. If he brings his average up around .300 and keeps pounding home runs in bunches, he might be promoted by midseason.

Wallace is a good hitter, but he's not as high of an upside bat as some think.

Since you are undergoing a youth movement, what is the availability of these youngsters in your league?

Desmond Jennings
Pedro Alvarez
Carlos Santana
Jesus Montero
Justin Smoak
Michael Taylor
Chris Carter
Logan Morrison
Yonder Alonso
Domonic Brown

Bronco CB40
03-29-2010, 11:48 AM
Opening day in less than a week.

I love coming home from work, firing up the grill, and cooking out while listening to the Tigers game on the radio and then coming inside and watching it on tv.

I bet I listen/watch 150 Tigers games a year.

Luckily, my wife has learned to enjoy watching the Tigers over the years. If I am getting home after the game starts, she will have the tv turned on to the game already.

That's awesome, SSJ.

I envy you. You are living the life.

TheChamp24
03-29-2010, 12:00 PM
epic fail

Yeah, like I said, I took him before word came out of his thyroid problem. Hard to go against a guy like Reyes who had 100 runs, 50+ stolen bases, .300 average seasons and one injury season.

Hopefully you can trade some of your pitching depth down the road to acquire another bat.

Bruce's progression is also really key to your success.

Stanton is a physical freak. 40 HR/20 SB ceiling. He needs another full-year of development in the minors so how much big league time he will get this season is a big question mark. If he brings his average up around .300 and keeps pounding home runs in bunches, he might be promoted by midseason.

Wallace is a good hitter, but he's not as high of an upside bat as some think.

Since you are undergoing a youth movement, what is the availability of these youngsters in your league?

Desmond Jennings
Pedro Alvarez
Carlos Santana
Jesus Montero
Justin Smoak
Michael Taylor
Chris Carter
Logan Morrison
Yonder Alonso
Domonic Brown

Yeah, I need some young guys to really progress. I fully intend on trying to trade late in the season for a bat.
As for those young guys, some are still available.
Santana, Smoak, Taylor, Carter, Morrison, Alonso and Brown are all available. I almost took Santana with my last pick, and almost took Smoak earlier. I think I'll drop Baker for Santana, possibly drop someone for Smoak, but that is a lot of guys riding the bench playing in the minors.
With Stanton, my hope is he annhilates in the minor leagues and makes a big splash for August/September callup making me keep him, same with Wallace.

broncocalijohn
03-29-2010, 12:10 PM
I like the sox rotation a lot, but I'll take my Twins in the AL Central this year.

The Twins rotation better play late into their games because without Nathan, a lot will be put on the rest of the bullpen. Losing Nathan will be huge for the Twins.

80smith
03-29-2010, 04:10 PM
Opening day in less than a week.

I love coming home from work, firing up the grill, and cooking out while listening to the Tigers game on the radio and then coming inside and watching it on tv.

I bet I listen/watch 150 Tigers games a year.

Luckily, my wife has learned to enjoy watching the Tigers over the years. If I am getting home after the game starts, she will have the tv turned on to the game already.

I cleaned out my grill this weekend to get ready. I cant wait!!! I did manage to get the White Sox home opener tickets this year so I'm thinking about getting the Weber Joe and taligating.

SouthStndJunkie
03-30-2010, 09:24 PM
The Marlins have acquired Nate Robertson and cash in exchange for left-handed pitcher Jay Voss. Robertson has a 6.14 ERA over the past two seasons, but it is possible a return to the NL and his former team may turn his misfortune around.

Voss, 23, a former 8th round pick in the 2007 draft, has thrived since joining the bullpen, posting a 2.97 ERA and a 1.13 WHIP in 36 1/3 innings at Double-A last season. He could emerge as a left-handed specialist down the line for the Tigers.

Bronco CB40
03-30-2010, 11:33 PM
The Marlins have acquired Nate Robertson and cash in exchange for left-handed pitcher Jay Voss. Robertson has a 6.14 ERA over the past two seasons, but it is possible a return to the NL and his former team may turn his misfortune around.

Voss, 23, a former 8th round pick in the 2007 draft, has thrived since joining the bullpen, posting a 2.97 ERA and a 1.13 WHIP in 36 1/3 innings at Double-A last season. He could emerge as a left-handed specialist down the line for the Tigers.

How much cash is going Florida's way?

Bronco CB40
04-04-2010, 11:55 AM
Yankees-Red Sox open up the baseball season tonight at 6:05 EST on ESPN2. C.C. Sabathia vs. Josh Beckett.

SouthStndJunkie
04-04-2010, 01:45 PM
How much cash is going Florida's way?

Nate is due $10 million this year and the Tigers are picking up all but $400,000 of it.

Pseudofool
04-04-2010, 02:00 PM
Yankees-Red Sox open up the baseball season tonight at 6:05 EST on ESPN2. C.C. Sabathia vs. Josh Beckett.

It's at 8pm EST.

SoCalBronco
04-04-2010, 02:13 PM
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http://vivalavidro.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/chicago-white-sox-jake-peavy-kenny-williams1.jpg

http://www.tremendousupsidepotential.com/img/gordon-beckham.JPG

You can put it on the booooooooooooooooooooard, yessssssssssss!!!

Go Sox.

Paladin
04-04-2010, 02:21 PM
Better yet: Rockies tomorrow at noon MST against the Brewers.......

Baba Booey
04-04-2010, 02:30 PM
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SouthStndJunkie
04-04-2010, 03:41 PM
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WABronco
04-04-2010, 03:52 PM
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04-04-2010, 09:06 PM
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I approve of this message.

Hogan11
04-04-2010, 09:10 PM
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LET'S GO BUCS!!!! SHOCK THE MFN WORLD!!!!

Finger Roll
04-04-2010, 09:38 PM
Braves fan myself. Excited to see how Jason Heyward will play. It will be fun to see Tommy Hanson dominate again in his first full season.

Pseudofool
04-04-2010, 09:40 PM
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Go Twins!

80smith
04-04-2010, 10:43 PM
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80smith
04-04-2010, 10:52 PM
For those of you who have been to a white sox home game.... This is for you.

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See you at the home opener.... Go Sox!

sixtimeseight
04-05-2010, 07:45 AM
http://butthegameison.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Andrew-McCutchen.jpg

LET'S GO BUCS!!!! SHOCK THE MFN WORLD!!!!

by finishing 5th in the division instead of last?

strafen
04-05-2010, 08:33 AM
All I care right now is my Red Sox beat the Yankees last night! :strong:LOL

ColoradoBuff
04-05-2010, 09:23 AM
Go Rox!

WolfpackGuy
04-05-2010, 09:38 AM
All I care right now is my Red Sox beat the Yankees last night! :strong:LOL

Effin Chan Ho "Outta The" Park...

brncs_fan
04-05-2010, 09:43 AM
Polishing off The Natural before the cards game in 15 minutes

brncs_fan
04-05-2010, 10:16 AM
Albert with his first HR of the season on his first at bat

BroncoLifer
04-05-2010, 12:24 PM
Rockies score their first run of the season when Hawpe scores from 2nd on a wild pitch because the catcher has no clue where the ball went. I can't remember ever seeing that before on the MLB level.

strafen
04-05-2010, 12:40 PM
Effin Chan Ho "Outta The" Park...We tagged him last night! ;D

Baba Booey
04-05-2010, 12:44 PM
Johan with a good first outing.

Hogan11
04-05-2010, 12:54 PM
Garrett Jones is on fire 2 HR's and counting............

SouthStndJunkie
04-05-2010, 01:57 PM
Albert with his first HR of the season on his first at bat

Pujols ended up going yard twice and had 4 hits on the day.

crawdad
04-05-2010, 02:06 PM
Albert is God!

Taco John
04-05-2010, 02:17 PM
Garrett Jones is on fire 2 HR's and counting............

I was just coming onto the forum to kiss you ass for this great find! I drafted him in a low round. Nobody knows about this kid still, and he's already producing like gangbusters in his first outing!

SpringStein
04-05-2010, 03:20 PM
Ubaldo 1-0 on way to the Cy Young.


;)

SouthStndJunkie
04-05-2010, 04:17 PM
Detroit wins their opener over Kansas City 8-4.

Greinke left the game with a 4-2 lead, but Kansas City's ****ty bullpen took a dump on him.

SoCalBronco
04-05-2010, 04:27 PM
Mark Buehrle with 7 innings of shutout ball as the Sox drill the Twinkies, 6-0.

Check out his amazing between the legs flip for the out (this might end up being one of the top 5-10 plays of the year):

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Hogan11
04-05-2010, 10:48 PM
I was just coming onto the forum to kiss you ass for this great find! I drafted him in a low round. Nobody knows about this kid still, and he's already producing like gangbusters in his first outing!

He's the second man ever to hit the long ball into the Allegany River (456 feet). Douchlips the league over are selling this team short, but I'm telling you straight up, there's talent here that will produce and amaze the passive baseball fan.

Of course, ESPN made little mention of Jones 2 HR day, they rather play up Pujols 2 HR day like it was something of merit....even though he didn't hit one as far as Jones did or anything close to that, but the Cards are far more sexy than the Bucs in terms of coverage, so there ya go.

**** ESPN, **** the Cards, LET'S GO BUCS!!!!!!! :yayaya:

SouthStndJunkie
04-05-2010, 10:54 PM
He's the second man ever to hit the long ball into the Allegany River (456 feet). Douchlips the league over are selling this team short, but I'm telling you straight up, there's talent here that will produce and amaze the passive baseball fan.

Of course, ESPN made little mention of Jones 2 HR day, they rather play up Pujols 2 HR day like it was something of merit....even though he didn't hit one as far as Jones did or anything close to that, but the Cards are far more sexy than the Bucs in terms of coverage, so there ya go.

**** ESPN, **** the Cards, LET'S GO BUCS!!!!!!! :yayaya:

I admire your enthusiasm.

Baba Booey
04-05-2010, 10:54 PM
He's the second man ever to hit the long ball into the Allegany River (456 feet). Douchlips the league over are selling this team short, but I'm telling you straight up, there's talent here that will produce and amaze the passive baseball fan.

Of course, ESPN made little mention of Jones 2 HR day, they rather play up Pujols 2 HR day like it was something of merit....even though he didn't hit one as far as Jones did or anything close to that, but the Cards are far more sexy than the Bucs in terms of coverage, so there ya go.

**** ESPN, **** the Cards, LET'S GO BUCS!!!!!!! :yayaya:

Ton of young talent in Pittsburgh. Wouldn't surprise me to see them threaten for the wildcard this year and then make noise in '11.

Hogan11
04-05-2010, 11:00 PM
I admire your enthusiasm.

There's zero respect for this team anywhere...they're gonna fight for anything and everything.....that's what makes the team great to watch IMHO...this isn't the Yanks or the Sox where expectations are off the charts, this is like the movie Major League...and that's far more interesting to me than any dynasty aspiring team with a big pocket book out there today.

That's just MO of course....but hey, I'm fighting off 18 straight losing seasons here, most of the shirkers are long gone so cut me some slack! Ha!

Hogan11
04-05-2010, 11:04 PM
Ton of young talent in Pittsburgh. Wouldn't surprise me to see them threaten for the wildcard this year and then make noise in '11.

Most pundits cite 2012, but I'm hoping for sooner of course.

To me, the story (as far as the Bucs are concerned) is Milledge....he's left his assholeism behind and is becoming a solid player....if he can do it, then Marshall can do it......and hopefully he will.

Baba Booey
04-05-2010, 11:08 PM
Most pundits cite 2012, but I'm hoping for sooner of course.

To me, the story (as far as the Bucs are concerned) is Milledge....he's left his a-holeism behind and is becoming a solid player....if he can do it, then Marshall can do it......and hopefully he will.

Believe me, as a Mets fan I know plenty about Milledge and his 'personality'. I always liked him though, and I hope he succeeds on the Bucs.

Hogan11
04-05-2010, 11:17 PM
Believe me, as a Mets fan I know plenty about Milledge and his 'personality'. I always liked him though, and I hope he succeeds on the Bucs.

All accounts are he's finally got his head out of his azz and his putting the proper time, energy and focus in. Like I said, if that guy can turn things around, then anyone can.

Hogan11
04-05-2010, 11:28 PM
Albert is God!

ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Ha!

Taco John
04-05-2010, 11:34 PM
There's zero respect for this team anywhere...they're gonna fight for anything and everything.....that's what makes the team great to watch IMHO...this isn't the Yanks or the Sox where expectations are off the charts, this is like the movie Major League...and that's far more interesting to me than any dynasty aspiring team with a big pocket book out there today.

That's just MO of course....but hey, I'm fighting off 18 straight losing seasons here, most of the shirkers are long gone so cut me some slack! Ha!


I feel the same way about the Mariners. This team is going to scrap this year and make some noise. I really think that they could even win the division if they catch a break or two.

Taco John
04-05-2010, 11:40 PM
LOL!

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Bronco CB40
04-06-2010, 01:53 PM
The Pirates at least have a good, long-term plan in place compared to the Cam Bonifay and David Littlefield eras. I really like the team's draft strategy over the last couple of years. In 2008, they selected Pedro Alvarez with the second overall pick when he was clearly the best player available.

Last year the Pirates were in a bad spot at the #4 spot where there was a big dropoff after Stephen Strasburg and Dustin Ackley. They decided instead of throwing a boatload of money at a risky prospect, they would draft a polished collegiate catcher in Tony Sanchez who could help them soon. Following the first round, the Pirates were aggressive in targeting high upside players and inking them to contracts by offering higher than normal bonus money.

The Pirates are now aggressive in scouting and targeting players. In the past, they were too risk averse and gun shy, which led to some draft day disasters such as Daniel Moskos (Matt Wieters) and Bryan Bullington (B.J. Upton).

Bronco CB40
04-06-2010, 01:58 PM
I feel the same way about the Mariners. This team is going to scrap this year and make some noise. I really think that they could even win the division if they catch a break or two.

They are the best defensive club in baseball.

One of their breaks could be a hitter or two breaking out and enjoying a career year, someone like Casey Kotchman or Franklin Gutierrez.

WABronco
04-06-2010, 04:34 PM
After the euphoria of the Lee deal, I've become a little concerned. We NEED Kotchman and Gutie and guys like that to match or best their previous career years...asking a lot I think.

Still excited as hell to watch Wak and GMZ's club.

crawdad
04-06-2010, 06:03 PM
He's the second man ever to hit the long ball into the Allegany River (456 feet). Douchlips the league over are selling this team short, but I'm telling you straight up, there's talent here that will produce and amaze the passive baseball fan.

Of course, ESPN made little mention of Jones 2 HR day, they rather play up Pujols 2 HR day like it was something of merit....even though he didn't hit one as far as Jones did or anything close to that, but the Cards are far more sexy than the Bucs in terms of coverage, so there ya go.

**** ESPN, **** the Cards, LET'S GO BUCS!!!!!!! :yayaya:

Easy there killer, Go easy on my Redbirds!

crawdad
04-06-2010, 06:04 PM
ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Ha!

You wish you had him as a Buc, I am sure! :thanku:

FADERPROOF
04-06-2010, 06:30 PM
My Dodgers are in trouble this year, wouldn't surprise me to see them miss the playoffs this year even. Starting pitching is shaky and I'm still worried about the 'pen even, Manny is declining and we need Russell Martin's bat to show up.

Hogan11
04-06-2010, 06:36 PM
My Dodgers are in trouble this year, wouldn't surprise me to see them miss the playoffs this year even. Starting pitching is shaky and I'm still worried about the 'pen even, Manny is declining and we need Russell Martin's bat to show up.

You should've made the trip down to PNC, you're close enough....

Hogan11
04-06-2010, 06:40 PM
Easy there killer, Go easy on my Redbirds!

Can't stand them and what's worse is that they seem to be the visiting club more often than not whenever I go to the ballpark.....this season is no different. Matter of fact, I altered the trip as much as I could because I'm so sick of seeing them. Only catching two games against the Cards and two against the Reds now instead of an entire series against the Cards.

I got stuck with them again a couple of years ago when I went to Coors as well...just can't seem to shake those damn dirty birds.