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Soul-Bronco
12-01-2009, 07:52 PM
to all the McD haters, can you honestly look at what this team has accomplished in 11 games, after THAT offseason and not say to yourself that we have a pretty dam good head coach in Mcd.



Look at all the rest of the rookie head coaches, Mcd as a head coach has blown me away. Most were calling out a 3-13 record during the offseason. We are presently in the playoff race and look like a team with a new attitude (hard nosed physical football).



Already we have three classic moments this season (Bmarsh TD vs DAL, the holy stokely, just win the Mother%&%& game) If anything we should all atleast give Mcd some respect for that.



And just think that scene of Mcd pumping his fist into the crowd after a big win over NE could of easily been replaced with a certain baby batting microphones away and moping on the sideline's after losing the game for his team.

Lev Vyvanse
12-01-2009, 07:56 PM
I think he is learning a great deal of valuable lessons this year and still winning football games which will bode well for the future.

Jekyll15Hyde
12-01-2009, 08:05 PM
I was a hater at the beginning but I have seen the light and maybe more importantly, I have no problem admitting it. I absolutely love where this team is and where it is going.

McDman
12-01-2009, 08:07 PM
I've always been a fan, but he's not perfect. I think he's gonna put together a good team in the next couple of years.

Victor
12-01-2009, 08:08 PM
I love him like a brother. Like a short, younger brother who likes to swear and pump his fist.

FireFly
12-01-2009, 08:10 PM
I was always a supporter - but even I'm surprised at how well the team has already done this year given the way it looked like things were shaping up.

broncosteven
12-01-2009, 08:11 PM
I think the rookie HC in Indy is doing a pretty good job. I think people forget they have a 1st time HC there.

I thought the 1st 6 game winning streak was very impressive but someone took their foot off the gas after the bye. Maybe I would feel better if the Broncos were prepared for the Baltimore game. I am trying to give our HC the benifit of the doubt but I will call him on things I don't think are right.

It could be worse, we could have Haley or the dude at Tampa...

SouthStndJunkie
12-01-2009, 08:14 PM
I think the rookie HC in Indy is doing a pretty good job. I think people forget they have a 1st time HC there.

I thought the 1st 6 game winning streak was very impressive but someone took their foot off the gas after the bye. Maybe I would feel better if the Broncos were prepared for the Baltimore game. I am trying to give our HC the benifit of the doubt but I will call him on things I don't think are right.

It could be worse, we could have Haley or the dude at Tampa...

Peyton Manning is the head coach of the Colts.

When Jim Caldwell makes a mistake, Peyton Manning makes him run laps.

extralife
12-01-2009, 08:16 PM
like the way he coaches, like his personality, have some qualms with his offense and the personnel side of things

ghwk
12-01-2009, 08:20 PM
I love his and Marshall's man crush, but the decision to bring on Dawkins has had more impact than trading that quarterback, whatshisface???

Archer81
12-01-2009, 08:22 PM
When he was first hired I was worried about the record for Belicheat coordinators becoming head coaches, but honestly looking at his enthusiasm and the product he has put on the field, I am pretty excited about the Broncos future. When he has the full compliment of players on offense and gets a few more defensive stalwarts, this team should be scary good.

:Broncos:

strafen
12-01-2009, 08:23 PM
I've been a McDaniels supporter from the time it was announced he was going to be our head coach.

His football acumen extends well beyond his years. Still he's a young man, and will have his faults there when it comes down to his ego getting in the way of sound judgment.
That said, I'm happy with what he's done so far. It's hard to criticize a guy who has had the success he's had.

We're in good hands.

broncosteven
12-01-2009, 08:23 PM
Peyton Manning is the head coach of the Colts.

When Jim Caldwell makes a mistake, Peyton Manning makes him run laps.

Sure but they are undefeated and not losing games because they are unprepared or because of their new HC. They have been just as lucky as we have been but they haven't had a down game on one or both sides of the ball.

I think Nolan has had a bigger impact on our success than Coyer has had on the Colts. Take away the D play vs Dallas, NE and SD the 1st time, even Cinncy and we are fighting KFC and Oakland for a top 5 Draft pick next April.

OBF1
12-01-2009, 08:31 PM
I have been a fan and supporter of Coach McDaniels since day 1...... has been my adopt-a-Bronco since he was hired. I for one admit I do not know shiat when it comes to football like any professional football coach does, unlike a number of posters here claim to know.

Lev Vyvanse
12-01-2009, 08:32 PM
Take away the D play vs Dallas, NE and SD the 1st time, even Cinncy and we are fighting KFC and Oakland for a top 5 Draft pick next April.
Thatís a solid argument. If you take away the offensive play this year from Indy they are 0-11 along with every other team in the NFL.

Taco John
12-01-2009, 08:33 PM
He's a hard guy not to like, despite a few things that he makes me nervous on. But at the end of the day, he seems to have the respect and attention of the team. They seem to respond to him, as evidenced by the hot start and that last great game. But the bottom line is that I could see us winning a Superbowl in the next 5 years behind him.

colonelbeef
12-01-2009, 08:34 PM
like the way he coaches, like his personality, have some qualms with his offense and the personnel side of things

this.

He has made some mistakes, but overall you have to like the overall tenor of his first year.

I think the hiring of Mike Nolan to complement McDaniels was a brilliant move and as a tandem I am pretty happy with them. Offense needs work though.

spdirty
12-01-2009, 08:37 PM
I changed my mind on this guys coaching ability 2 months ago. And I was a harsh critic before that. Only needs 2 more wins to (IMO) call this season a true success.

Ray Finkle
12-01-2009, 08:45 PM
I have had a new perspective on coaching since I started coaching lacrosse (going on 7 years). As a coach, you see the game in a different way (all sports). One thing that always struck me about McDaniels and gave me hope (even when Cutler was traded) was his attention to detail and trust in his system. These two things can carry average teams to above average seasons. I still believe this team is at least 2 years away from being a super bowl caliber team but like they way they are going.

steeledude
12-01-2009, 09:07 PM
Thatís a solid argument. If you take away the offensive play this year from Indy they are 0-11 along with every other team in the NFL.

You're distorting the point he is making. The topic of this thread is how do you like McD, and he is stating that it isn't McD, but Nolan who has done wonders with our team. I have to agree.

All of you McD douchers who love him so much were screaming "YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM TWO YEARS!!!" at the beginning of the season when everyone claimed the sky was falling. Give him two years to realize his plan. I still say you're right.

The real damage won't be realized until year two or three when we're a team without Bmarsh, Doom, and Champ all replaced with his overrated draft picks. Give him time--it takes time to really turn something into trash.

Didn't Mangina win some games early too?

Lev Vyvanse
12-01-2009, 09:22 PM
You're distorting the point he is making. The topic of this thread is how do you like McD, and he is stating that it isn't McD, but Nolan who has done wonders with our team. I have to agree.

All of you McD douchers who love him so much were screaming "YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM TWO YEARS!!!" at the beginning of the season when everyone claimed the sky was falling. Give him two years to realize his plan. I still say you're right.

The real damage won't be realized until year two or three when we're a team without Bmarsh, Doom, and Champ all replaced with his overrated draft picks. Give him time--it takes time to really turn something into trash.

Didn't Mangina win some games early too?
Yea, because we didn't have very much roster turnover already.:wave:

steeledude
12-01-2009, 09:26 PM
Yea, because we didn't have very much roster turnover already.:wave:

Arguably over half our team was trash. But our few stars were and are good enough to keep. But I imagine they won't be around long.

Nolan did a great job with the talent we had and whoever he has to work with. That's the guy who is the secret to our success.

Lev Vyvanse
12-01-2009, 09:30 PM
Arguably over half our team was trash. But our few stars were and are good enough to keep. But I imagine they won't be around long.

Nolan did a great job with the talent we had and whoever he has to work with. That's the guy who is the secret to our success.

The D is where most of the new starters are playing. So the retarded McD is responsible for half of the starters on defense.

HAT
12-01-2009, 09:31 PM
Take away the D play vs Dallas, NE and SD the 1st time, even Cinncy and we are fighting KFC and Oakland for a top 5 Draft pick next April.

"We", already are.....Thanks to KingJoshBeard's genius like personnel decisions.

:strong:

Ambiguous
12-01-2009, 09:37 PM
At this point, I am completely satisfied - I think he has done a great job. We are 2 wins away from improving on last season, which actually exceeds my expectations for just bringing in a new coach, let alone all the other drama that took place this offseason.

I don't really know how it actually works on an NFL team, but I love seeing McD just as pissed or happy as I am when we win or lose. All I can say as a fan is that I love it.

That said, 2 or 3 years from now if we haven't at least won a playoff game or the division good riddance - but I seriously doubt that will happen. He's done a great job so far.

baja
12-01-2009, 09:44 PM
Sure but they are undefeated and not losing games because they are unprepared or because of their new HC. They have been just as lucky as we have been but they haven't had a down game on one or both sides of the ball.

I think Nolan has had a bigger impact on our success than Coyer has had on the Colts. Take away the D play vs Dallas, NE and SD the 1st time, even Cinncy and we are fighting KFC and Oakland for a top 5 Draft pick next April.

Look at who the Colts have played than take another look at our schedule that will explain the "undefeated" in Indy. Even though we have a worse record Josh has done a far better job over all.

bpc
12-01-2009, 09:48 PM
I'm not a McD hater. I don't hate anything Bronco related.

I was a little miffed when Shanny was fired, Cutler was traded. It's all water under the bridge.

I think McD has done a solid job. 7-4 is very respectable. I definitely agree with a lot of his principles (3-4, physicality, intensity). I'm very disappointed in the offense. I expected a lot more considering the potential we had there but the defense has counter-balanced it.

He'll have to continue to produce though. Missing the playoffs after being 6-0 would be embarrassing. We also have some positions that are or will be highly questionable this year or within the coming seasons. Namely at the QB position. Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal's seasons have largely been busts because of our QB's ability to get the ball in their hands. That needs to change, relatively soon.

Overall I'd give him a solid B for his effort thus far.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-01-2009, 09:54 PM
Sure but they are undefeated and not losing games because they are unprepared or because of their new HC. They have been just as lucky as we have been but they haven't had a down game on one or both sides of the ball.

I think Nolan has had a bigger impact on our success than Coyer has had on the Colts. Take away the D play vs Dallas, NE and SD the 1st time, even Cinncy and we are fighting KFC and Oakland for a top 5 Draft pick next April.

If you think McDaniels has had zero say in the defense and the defensive attitude, you're a fool

Soul-Bronco
12-01-2009, 09:58 PM
You're distorting the point he is making. The topic of this thread is how do you like McD, and he is stating that it isn't McD, but Nolan who has done wonders with our team. I have to agree.

All of you McD douchers who love him so much were screaming "YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM TWO YEARS!!!" at the beginning of the season when everyone claimed the sky was falling. Give him two years to realize his plan. I still say you're right.

The real damage won't be realized until year two or three when we're a team without Bmarsh, Doom, and Champ all replaced with his overrated draft picks. Give him time--it takes time to really turn something into trash.

Didn't Mangina win some games early too?


get mad at Mcdaniels for things that havent happened yet! yea that makes a TON of sense

Kaylore
12-01-2009, 10:14 PM
He's a rookie head coach and as one has made his share of mistakes. I expected a few and knew it was part of the process of learning to be a head coach in the NFL. I still don't like paying a long snapper all that money when he can't do anything except long snap. I don't like how much he gave up in the draft for solid players. However I like that we went to a 3-4. I like that he made defense a priority and that he got rid of the garbage on the team. I love the new coaching staff on both sides of the ball but that he also had the wisdom to keep Turner and Dennison.

Most of all, I like that he learns from his mistakes. People talk about how we haven't seen the best from Moreno, Ayers or whoever. I think we haven't seen the best from McDaniels and believe he will get better and improve.

And for those that believe "It's all Nolan" and are like Steeldude who are wishing and praying for the Broncos to fail just so they can be right, you're wrong. The front seven was selected primarily by McDaniels and this is according to Nolan himself who said McDaniels was the one who handpicked most of the front seven and it was Wayne Nunnely for coaching them up above what they expected. Nunnely was picked by McDaniels as well. McDaniels re-built this thing from top to bottom and you're re-imagining it like it was all Nolan somehow. You retards won't even give credit to McDaniels for hiring Nolan.

epicSocialism4tw
12-01-2009, 10:22 PM
As far as coaching goes, he's learning on the job. He's a system guy who is learning who fits his system and who doesnt. I still dont know if he can make adjustments...it seems like if the Broncos dont follow the same pattern (hold defensively then score sparingly until you overtake the opponent in the 4th) then they get obliterated because they cant adjust on the fly.

I would feel much more confident with McD if I knew he werent treating the draft as though it wasnt important (trading 1st rounders for 2nd rounders and having a big board of only a few players).

uplink
12-01-2009, 10:28 PM
Funny how it is accepted to give jobs to family members in the NFL with no questions asked. These are jobs that really 'make' someones career and they are very often handed out to family members of the coaching staff. McD is no exception:

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=357&contentID=9616
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epicSocialism4tw
12-01-2009, 10:31 PM
Funny how it is accepted to give jobs to family members in the NFL with no questions asked. These are jobs that really 'make' someones career and they are very often handed out to family members of the coaching staff. McD is no exception:

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=357&contentID=9616
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Ha!

I dont mind nepotism so much as long as the job gets done right and morale isnt destroyed.

Ben McD looks like a version of Josh McD that hasnt been kicked square between the eyes by a rabid mule.

Popps
12-01-2009, 10:58 PM
McDaniels re-built this thing from top to bottom and you're re-imagining it like it was all Nolan somehow. You retards won't even give credit to McDaniels for hiring Nolan.


That just infuriates people, too. Why, I have no idea. I was thrilled when Shanahan built a top franchise and I look forward to McDaniels' playoff contender.

If you're a Broncos fan and you don't love what this guy has done for the franchise in this short of a time-period, you're insane or you have an axe to grind that you're simply never going to let go of.


But, let's also give credit where it's due... to the man who made the business decision that it was time for the franchise to make a fresh start.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0247/0051/pat_bowlen_feature.jpg

"The Gutless Drunk"
-Taco John

"The Best Owner in Pro Sports"
-Mike Shanahan

OBF1
12-01-2009, 11:12 PM
You're distorting the point he is making. The topic of this thread is how do you like McD, and he is stating that it isn't McD, but Nolan who has done wonders with our team. I have to agree.

All of you McD douchers who love him so much were screaming "YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM TWO YEARS!!!" at the beginning of the season when everyone claimed the sky was falling. Give him two years to realize his plan. I still say you're right.

The real damage won't be realized until year two or three when we're a team without Bmarsh, Doom, and Champ all replaced with his overrated draft picks. Give him time--it takes time to really turn something into trash.

Didn't Mangina win some games early too?

Another ahole on the mane, just what we needed. Then again I am sure a internet know-it-all such as yourself could do alot better. :stupid:_i_O_i_:chairhit:

Popps
12-01-2009, 11:49 PM
Another ahole on the mane, just what we needed. Then again I am sure a internet know-it-all such as yourself could do alot better. :stupid:_i_O_i_:chairhit:

I love it. Just read it again and key in on the sense of panic in his post. Dude knows **** is turning around, and it's just ruining his world.

Durango
12-02-2009, 12:04 AM
I initially liked the hire, although I thought firing Shanahan was premature. I soured on McDaniels with the trading of Cutler and, in my mind at the time, the mishandling of the draft, especially handing over our #1 choice for a diminutive CB had all the appearances of amateur hour and rtading both 3rd round picks for a blocking TE who wasn't sure he would even be drafted. Boy, that's turned out well, huh. Whew!

He has maturity issues. This 'we own you' childishness and the 'motherf**king ballgame' stuff is high school and probably an eye-brow raising experience for Pat Bowlen and certainly for more than a fews of the vets.

All that being said, he has demonstrated a creative football mind and brought together a very good staff, with the possible exception of this special teams guy. I'm fairly confident now he will succeed here, although I still have some nagging doubts, especially about personnel management and drafting, the very same thing that made me so angry about Mike Shanahan every April.

Blart
12-02-2009, 12:06 AM
Went from hater to supporter after week 1. I'm happy I was wrong!

Crushaholic
12-02-2009, 12:16 AM
I understood the fear. We dumped a coach who won two straight Super Bowls (albeit a decade ago), and replaced him with someone who's never been a head coach. However, I always thought of it this way. Bowlen made an excellent call when he brought in Shanahan. I wasn't prepared to say he lost it when he brought in McDaniels, based on his track record...

Archer81
12-02-2009, 12:18 AM
He wins a playoff game in year one or two, that would be beyond what I thought this team would do this season.


:Broncos:

KCStud
12-02-2009, 01:20 AM
to all the McD haters, can you honestly look at what this team has accomplished in 11 games, after THAT offseason and not say to yourself that we have a pretty dam good head coach in Mcd.



Look at all the rest of the rookie head coaches, Mcd as a head coach has blown me away. Most were calling out a 3-13 record during the offseason. We are presently in the playoff race and look like a team with a new attitude (hard nosed physical football).



Already we have three classic moments this season (Bmarsh TD vs DAL, the holy stokely, just win the Mother%&%& game) If anything we should all atleast give Mcd some respect for that.



And just think that scene of Mcd pumping his fist into the crowd after a big win over NE could of easily been replaced with a certain baby batting microphones away and moping on the sideline's after losing the game for his team.

McDaniels has been pretty decent for you guys, but something you need to remember is that out off all the rookie head coaches, only Caldwell has a more talented group of players.

Look at all the pro bowl caliber players McDaniels has to work with.

Dumervile
DJ
Champ
Clady
Harris
Marshall
Royal

The whole offense was set. If anyone is responsible for the Broncos being a better team, it is Nolan. The Broncos were 2nd in scoring last year and are now 24th. Not sure how that's possible with the same good players, but better RB's including a 1st round pick.

fontaine
12-02-2009, 02:13 AM
I like the way McDaniels really prepares his team and that's the one constant that the players talk about.

Also, it's great that he's brought in guys that bring the right chemistry and leadership like Holliday/Dawkins.

But like all HC in the league, ultimately their long term success is tied in a big way to how their drafts pan out so it'll be a while before we can see how that's going.

Shanahan came in immediately and struck gold with his free agents and installing his offensive schemes but after that he just couldn't replicate that success because his drafts really killed us until very recently.

Broncomutt
12-02-2009, 02:34 AM
I think the rookie HC in Indy is doing a pretty good job. I think people forget they have a 1st time HC there.

I thought the 1st 6 game winning streak was very impressive but someone took their foot off the gas after the bye. Maybe I would feel better if the Broncos were prepared for the Baltimore game. I am trying to give our HC the benifit of the doubt but I will call him on things I don't think are right.

It could be worse, we could have Haley or the dude at Tampa...

Excellent post. Someone did take their foot off the gas and to date it has cost us the division and created a very murky playoff picture for us.

I was very optimistic and defensive of McDaniels going into the season. I think he has done a pretty good job given what he was left with, but he has been far from perfect.

And let's not forget how much of our success is Nolan.

The MVPlaya
12-02-2009, 03:24 AM
McDaniels has been pretty decent for you guys, but something you need to remember is that out off all the rookie head coaches, only Caldwell has a more talented group of players.

Look at all the pro bowl caliber players McDaniels has to work with.

Dumervile
DJ
Champ
Clady
Harris
Marshall
Royal

The whole offense was set. If anyone is responsible for the Broncos being a better team, it is Nolan. The Broncos were 2nd in scoring last year and are now 24th. Not sure how that's possible with the same good players, but better RB's including a 1st round pick.

The whole offense was set but nearly half the players you named were defensive players?

Harris/DJ/Royal Pro Bowl caliber? I respect the love, but don't get ahead of yourself. If it was this apparent that he had so many pro bowl caliber players, we wouldn't have been wrote of as 3-13 for the season.

I'll give you an easy answer... new system + new coach + new QB is why we've gone down in scoring.

As for defense, there was no where to go but up. To be this good was unexpected...

steeledude
12-02-2009, 05:47 AM
get mad at Mcdaniels for things that havent happened yet! yea that makes a TON of sense

The same as getting all happy for things he hasn't done yet!

jhat01
12-02-2009, 06:14 AM
He has maturity issues. This 'we own you' childishness and the 'mother****ing ballgame' stuff is high school and probably an eye-brow raising experience for Pat Bowlen and certainly for more than a fews of the vets.


The "we own you", or the "we owned you in NE" stuff doesn't really bother me. He said the thug ran up in his face and told him he'd kick his ass. Maybe he could have smiled and nodded or something I don't know.

As far as the mother****ing ballgame stuff..You really think that "raised Bowlen's eyebrows?" There are shots of every coach on the sidelines cussing after a perceived bad call or whatever. Hell, they have blooper shows where they play funny noises over cuss words and everybody loves it.

Please don't act like he's the only coach that has dropped an f-bomb during a football game. It has nothing to do with maturity. Does Bill Cowher cuss? John Fox? Parcells? There are coaches who cuss and coaches who don't. Maturity is not a factor.

TailgateNut
12-02-2009, 06:25 AM
You're distorting the point he is making. The topic of this thread is how do you like McD, and he is stating that it isn't McD, but Nolan who has done wonders with our team. I have to agree.

All of you McD douchers who love him so much were screaming "YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM TWO YEARS!!!" at the beginning of the season when everyone claimed the sky was falling. Give him two years to realize his plan. I still say you're right.

The real damage won't be realized until year two or three when we're a team without Bmarsh, Doom, and Champ all replaced with his overrated draft picks. Give him time--it takes time to really turn something into trash.

Didn't Mangina win some games early too?


How's life in the gutter?

misturanderson
12-02-2009, 06:40 AM
McDaniels has been pretty decent for you guys, but something you need to remember is that out off all the rookie head coaches, only Caldwell has a more talented group of players.

Look at all the pro bowl caliber players McDaniels has to work with.

Dumervile
DJ
Champ
Clady
Harris
Marshall
Royal

The whole offense was set. If anyone is responsible for the Broncos being a better team, it is Nolan. The Broncos were 2nd in scoring last year and are now 24th. Not sure how that's possible with the same good players, but better RB's including a 1st round pick.

We were 16th in scoring last year, 24th after the first 2 games. We were 2nd in yards gained.

Even chiefs fans have bought into the nonsense that we were an offensive juggernaught last year.

And as far as Pro-bowl caliber players I think you put DJ and Champ on there, but meant Davis and Dawkins. Those two have had far greater impacts on our team than DJ and Champ (outside of 2 games). I also am not sure that Royal belongs on that list just because of a very good rookie season.

I suppose our whole roster looks pro-bowl caliber compared to what you get to watch every week though.

Ambiguous
12-02-2009, 06:54 AM
McDaniels has been pretty decent for you guys, but something you need to remember is that out off all the rookie head coaches, only Caldwell has a more talented group of players.

Look at all the pro bowl caliber players McDaniels has to work with.

Dumervile
DJ
Champ
Clady
Harris
Marshall
Royal

The whole offense was set. If anyone is responsible for the Broncos being a better team, it is Nolan. The Broncos were 2nd in scoring last year and are now 24th. Not sure how that's possible with the same good players, but better RB's including a 1st round pick.

Don't know where you got that from, but the Broncos were 16th in scoring last year. While I'm not happy with 24th by any means, I will say they have faced much harder defenses this year, and our defense has improved so much from last year the scoring was going to drop inevitably.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-02-2009, 06:57 AM
I was not a fan of the Josh McDaniels hire this off season. I was upset that what looked like a good offense and a suspect defense was being handed over to someone whose major upside was on offense. Didn't make sense to me.

I wanted Spagnuolo. I still think he'll be an excellent head coach, but will be surprised if it happens in St Louis.

That said, his fire and competitiveness has really turned me around on Josh. I love how the team reacts to him, and I love that he was able to convince a stalwart like Dawkins to "drink the orange kool aid" and come to Denver. It was a bold signing, and between that and the Nolan hiring -- which was his first act as HC -- it shows that he's got a solid plan and he knows exactly how to execute it.

Exactly what you want from a head coach.

I am 100% on board with this, and I concur with those who think we'll be seeing a lot of success within the next five years.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-02-2009, 06:59 AM
McDaniels has been pretty decent for you guys, but something you need to remember is that out off all the rookie head coaches, only Caldwell has a more talented group of players.

Look at all the pro bowl caliber players McDaniels has to work with.

Dumervile
DJ
Champ
Clady
Harris
Marshall
Royal

The whole offense was set. If anyone is responsible for the Broncos being a better team, it is Nolan. The Broncos were 2nd in scoring last year and are now 24th. Not sure how that's possible with the same good players, but better RB's including a 1st round pick.

Awwww, you worked really hard writing a really nice, long post, and almost none of it is correct.

The offense was NOT set. 2nd in YARDS, 16th in SCORING, which is a statistic that only a KC fan would consider "the offense is set!"

Is there a dropoff from 16th to 24th in scoring? Yes. It's a new offense, new quarterback, and a lot of new pieces. It should be expected from those who love "reality."

Rabb
12-02-2009, 07:14 AM
I am most excited for next year, if we are winning games this season like this...imagine what a year will do

color me happy with McD, I think he is setting us up for the long haul and the short-term success this season is just a bonus

_Oro_
12-02-2009, 07:45 AM
He's a rookie head coach and as one has made his share of mistakes. I expected a few and knew it was part of the process of learning to be a head coach in the NFL. I still don't like paying a long snapper all that money when he can't do anything except long snap. I don't like how much he gave up in the draft for solid players. However I like that we went to a 3-4. I like that he made defense a priority and that he got rid of the garbage on the team. I love the new coaching staff on both sides of the ball but that he also had the wisdom to keep Turner and Dennison.

Most of all, I like that he learns from his mistakes. People talk about how we haven't seen the best from Moreno, Ayers or whoever. I think we haven't seen the best from McDaniels and believe he will get better and improve.

And for those that believe "It's all Nolan" and are like Steeldude who are wishing and praying for the Broncos to fail just so they can be right, you're wrong. The front seven was selected primarily by McDaniels and this is according to Nolan himself who said McDaniels was the one who handpicked most of the front seven and it was Wayne Nunnely for coaching them up above what they expected. Nunnely was picked by McDaniels as well. McDaniels re-built this thing from top to bottom and you're re-imagining it like it was all Nolan somehow. You retards won't even give credit to McDaniels for hiring Nolan.

Don't forget about actually practicing special teams.

Rohirrim
12-02-2009, 08:02 AM
My feelings on McDaniels?






We're going back to the Super Bowl. ;D

Archer81
12-02-2009, 08:07 AM
Gonna win some mother****ing games while having some mother****ing fun and experiencing another mother****ing Broncos renaissance, mother****as.


:Broncos:

Hulamau
12-02-2009, 09:33 AM
to all the McD haters, can you honestly look at what this team has accomplished in 11 games, after THAT offseason and not say to yourself that we have a pretty dam good head coach in Mcd.



Look at all the rest of the rookie head coaches, Mcd as a head coach has blown me away. Most were calling out a 3-13 record during the offseason. We are presently in the playoff race and look like a team with a new attitude (hard nosed physical football).



Already we have three classic moments this season (Bmarsh TD vs DAL, the holy stokely, just win the Mother%&%& game) If anything we should all atleast give Mcd some respect for that.



And just think that scene of Mcd pumping his fist into the crowd after a big win over NE could of easily been replaced with a certain baby batting microphones away and moping on the sideline's after losing the game for his team.

The future with McD is so bright I'm wearing Shades. Regardless of how the rest of the year plays out. A huge attitude transplant is under way here that will pay big dividends for years to come.

With all the turmoil and radical changes on Every level, and not even having a real idea of what he had or how this team would adapt to the new offensive and defensive systems, to even be in position for a possible playoffs spot with 5 games to go earns big KUDOS for Josh! :peace:

Can hardly wait until next year now that he and Nolan will know exactly where the weak spots are and what they need to shore things up. Another draft and a second bumper FA period , plus a second full offseason for Kyle and the rest of the offense to get it together and Brandstater to become a solid backup who could actually step into a Washington game and win the thing with a lead at half time... those will be fun days ahead.

Knowshon is gonna be on fire next year as well as his head is slowing down now and you can see it game by game. That will be HUGE for Kyle and the rest of the offense.

I have a feeling Josh is gonna start using Hillis some in the coming games as a change up. Not a starter but a bulldozer and catch a few as well. We will see.

bronclvr
12-02-2009, 10:25 AM
I am cautiously optimistic on McD, although I have to say that outburst in last Sunday's game increased my respect for him as a Coach. I want to see another Year under his belt and how he handles Marshall, next Year's Draft and the off season.

I think he has real potential, and he has had a trial by fire this Year already, however I think another Season will tell the whole story. Five Weeks ago we had no idea that he was this passionate or vocal-what else will we learn in the coming Months?

TailgateNut
12-02-2009, 10:37 AM
I liked the change from the beginning and like it even more now that I've seen the respect he has earned from the players which is always an indicator of good/ no-nonsense coaching, which we desperately needed. Shanny was to predictable and stale.

GoBroncos DownUnder
12-02-2009, 10:40 AM
IMO - McDaniels establishing his attitude as a HC and achieving a reasonable level of success this year will bode well for the Broncos in the Free Agent market.
I also like the way Josh (and Mike Tomlin) handle their media questions, they pull no punches and don't use annoying cliches. It's like the next generation of NFL coaches have decided to "cut the crap" when talking to the media, ... I LIKE it!

TailgateNut
12-02-2009, 10:46 AM
IMO - McDaniels establishing his attitude as a HC and achieving a reasonable level of success this year will bode well for the Broncos in the Free Agent market.
I also like the way Josh (and Mike Tomlin) handle their media questions, they pull no punches and don't use annoying cliches. It's like the next generation of NFL coaches have decided to "cut the crap" when talking to the media, ... I LIKE it!

Maybe Belicheat is trying to become a "next generation look alike". He stopped just short of saying "We Sucked" after getting spanked in Nawlins.:~ohyah!:

jhns
12-02-2009, 10:59 AM
It depends on the week. Before the season I wanted him fired. After the first 6 games, I wanted him to be coach for life. After 4 straight games of getting blown out by an average of 20 points, I came to where I am now. Right now, I am in a wait and see mode.

The offense is exactly what I cried about it turning into all offseason. The defense is far better than anyone could have imagined. The team has played as a team and played well in all 3 phases of the game at times. Then there is the stretch that everyone just seemed to give up in games. I'm not sure what to think of all this. That leaves me waiting to see how we finish the season before I come to any conclusions of him being good or bad. Even then, those feelings will change quickly depending on how the offseason and next season go.

HEAV
12-02-2009, 11:06 AM
He wasn't my choice for the job and I'm glad I was wrong in thinking Spags and the old Cutler Offense was the wrong direction to go.

Coach won me over with hiring of Nolan, the swith to the 3-4 and how he wasn't taking crap from any player and set the table with Cutler. Coach brought in TEAM players and leaders.

The roster is full of journey-men and rotation guys, but they play hard and buy the system being sold. Next year a few starters will be rotation/backups, but for now their doing what it takes to win. Except Simms...I hate Simms.

Let's face facts. Back in June 7-4 wasn't even in our thinking! I was expecting .500 or lesser team. With all the drama and changes. Coach however set winning as the goal and you can say what you want about the wins (luckly,timing) this team has won and can win games.

All I have wanted the last 3 years is a solid team. Meaning Defense,Offense, Special teams. Not a pinball offense with a paperwork defense and shoddy special teams. I was tired of hoping the offense could score enough to keep the game close. I wanted a time consuming offense that would score points and allow the defense to rest. I wanted a defense that could control the line of scrimmage and play hard.

This team isn't perfect, and coach will have lot's of work to do in the years to come. But he's the right man for the job.

Josh McDaniels is my coach.

Bronco LB52
12-02-2009, 11:51 AM
McDaniels is a good football coach, but he's a tool of a person with little charisma. He's so lame I wonder how the players will react to the Abercrombie and Fitch model's screechy, teenage voice when times get real tough.

Beantown Bronco
12-02-2009, 11:56 AM
McDaniels is a good football coach, but he's a tool of a person with little charisma.

The players all said the opposite during the Spring, Summer and pre-season, before the winning. They specifically said it was his personality, passion and how he was able to explain/teach them that really sold them.

Bronco LB52
12-02-2009, 11:57 AM
The San Diego Chargers linebackers are my most hated group of players in the entire NFL. I was so stoked when I learned that Josh McDaniels targeted them and smacked them during pregame. However, McDaniels ended up making a fool of himself because nobody is intimidated by his screechy, teenage voice.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-02-2009, 11:57 AM
McDaniels is a good football coach, but he's a tool of a person with little charisma. He's so lame I wonder how the players will react to the Abercrombie and Fitch model's screechy, teenage voice when times get real tough.

The players think otherwise.

How long have you known Josh McDaniels?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-02-2009, 11:58 AM
The San Diego Chargers linebackers are my most hated group of players in the entire NFL. I was so stoked when I learned that Josh McDaniels targeted them and smacked them during pregame. However, McDaniels ended up making a fool of himself because nobody is intimidated by his screechy, teenage voice.

Only on the Mane would a coach's voice be an issue.

What a moron.

Bronco LB52
12-02-2009, 12:03 PM
The players all said the opposite during the Spring, Summer and pre-season, before the winning. They specifically said it was his personality, passion and how he was able to explain/teach them that really sold them.

I am not doubting him on his energy, drive and desire to spend time with players and make them better. On the sidelines, he is always on the bench going over the pictures and playbook with Orton after drives. He's the type of coach that would stay after hours if a player needed help learning the playbook. At the Raider game, he was high fiving players when they came off the field after a touchdown. I admire that about him. I said he was a good football coach.

Bronco LB52
12-02-2009, 12:08 PM
Only on the Mane would a coach's voice be an issue.

What a moron.

He shouldn't yell if he is going to sound like a pip sqeak that is entering his first stage of puberty.

TailgateNut
12-02-2009, 12:09 PM
I am not doubting him on his energy, drive and desire to spend time with players and make them better. On the sidelines, he is always on the bench going over the pictures and playbook with Orton after drives. He's the type of coach that would stay after hours if a player needed help learning the playbook. At the Raider game, he was high fiving players when they came off the field after a touchdown. I admire that about him. I said he was a good football coach.

You just don't like his high frequency voice. Eh???:rofl:

He's the Tyson of the NFL.

jhat01
12-02-2009, 12:09 PM
The San Diego Chargers linebackers are my most hated group of players in the entire NFL. I was so stoked when I learned that Josh McDaniels targeted them and smacked them during pregame. However, McDaniels ended up making a fool of himself because nobody is intimidated by his screechy, teenage voice.

Mike Tyson has a weird little voice too, but that didin't factor into his intimidation. Projection is a funny thing, I had a DI at Parris Island who was 5'5 on a good day...His campaign cover would bump into my chin but he could blow you down with his vioce.

jhat01
12-02-2009, 12:10 PM
You just don't like his high frequency voice. Eh???:rofl:

He's the Tyson of the NFL.

jinx!

TailgateNut
12-02-2009, 12:10 PM
He shouldn't yell if he is going to sound like a pip sqeak that is entering his first stage of puberty.

He sounded pretty convincing when he said : "We just need to win a M%$$#%^&fu*&^&ing game".

TailgateNut
12-02-2009, 12:11 PM
jinx!

Jinx, my ass. He's going to bite off Peytons' ear.:~ohyah!:

Tombstone RJ
12-02-2009, 12:13 PM
I love him like a brother. Like a short, younger brother who likes to swear and pump his fist.

:rofl:

jhat01
12-02-2009, 12:14 PM
Jinx, my ass. He's going to bite off Peytons' ear.:~ohyah!:

no jinx cuz we threw out Tyson at the same time! I want to see him knock out Phillips like Tyson in The Hangover..."I can see it coming in the air tonight.." ahahah

Bronco LB52
12-02-2009, 12:14 PM
He sounded pretty convincing when he said : "We just need to win a M%$$#%^&fu*&^&ing game".

I appreciated the effort, but the execution could use a little more work. He sounded too much like the benchwarmer on your high school football team who is trying to get everybody pumped up even though he never sees any action.

Tombstone RJ
12-02-2009, 12:15 PM
McDaniels is a good football coach, but he's a tool of a person with little charisma. He's so lame I wonder how the players will react to the Abercrombie and Fitch model's screechy, teenage voice when times get real tough.

It's Pimpercrombie and Bitch to you.

Broncosfreak_56
12-02-2009, 12:17 PM
I am not doubting him on his energy, drive and desire to spend time with players and make them better. On the sidelines, he is always on the bench going over the pictures and playbook with Orton after drives. He's the type of coach that would stay after hours if a player needed help learning the playbook. At the Raider game, he was high fiving players when they came off the field after a touchdown. I admire that about him. I said he was a good football coach.

This whole post contradicts your "little charisma" statement.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-02-2009, 12:17 PM
I appreciated the effort, but the execution could use a little more work. He sounded too much like the benchwarmer on your high school football team who is trying to get everybody pumped up even though he never sees any action.

Who. Gives. A. ****? He's not going for style points, and I highly doubt that JMcD gives a flying **** about what some dip**** on a message board thinks of his voice.

Easily the dumbest reason to justify complaining in the history of the Mane. And that is saying something.

HEAV
12-02-2009, 12:17 PM
McDaniels is a good football coach, but he's a tool of a person with little charisma. He's so lame I wonder how the players will react to the Abercrombie and Fitch model's screechy, teenage voice when times get real tough.

4 game losing streak, short week playing on Thanksgivings night and having just had 2 penalties in the redzone and having to settle for a field Goal...

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That's tough times. The team responded.


Mike Shanahan didn't have a great commanding voice either...

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It's not about the voice...it's the message.

Tombstone RJ
12-02-2009, 12:18 PM
Once Josh hits puberty, he'll totally dominate NFL coaching.

Mr.Meanie
12-02-2009, 12:19 PM
He shouldn't yell if he is going to sound like a pip sqeak that is entering his first stage of puberty.

And you shouldn't post if you're going to sound like a pip "sqeak" that is entering your first stage of puberty.

oubronco
12-02-2009, 12:23 PM
I like our Mother****ing coach and his Mother****ing defensive coordinator

Go Mother****ing Broncos

GoBroncos DownUnder
12-02-2009, 12:26 PM
I appreciated the effort, but the execution could use a little more work. He sounded too much like the benchwarmer on your high school football team who is trying to get everybody pumped up even though he never sees any action.
???
http://taylorhicksgirlfriend.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/captain-obvious-5-nobrain.jpg

Tombstone RJ
12-02-2009, 12:27 PM
And you shouldn't post if you're going to sound like a pip "sqeak" that is entering your first stage of puberty.

So says "Mr. Meanie". :spit:

Bronco LB52
12-02-2009, 12:29 PM
This whole post contradicts your "little charisma" statement.

Not really. He's magnificent when it comes to football, but he's a social retard. He is not very witty or charming. He never cracks any funny jokes. A head football coach should be a man of sophisication. Somebody who drinks the best scotch and smokes the finest cigars, while charming hot women with his words. He's not that guy.

This is really low on the priorities of what a head coach should be so you should all let it slide. This is just one of my minor quibbles with McDaniels.

I already said he was a great football coach!!! What more do you people want? Do you want me to say he is Jesus ****ing Christ!!!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-02-2009, 12:31 PM
Not really. He's magnificent when it comes to football, but he's a social retard. He is not very witty or charming. He never cracks any funny jokes. A head football coach should be a man of sophisication. Somebody who drinks the best scotch and smokes the finest cigars, while charming hot women with his words. He's not that guy.

This is really low on the priorities of what a head coach will be so you should all let it slide. This is just one of my minor quibbles with McDaniels.

I already said he was a great football coach!!! What more do you people want? Do you want me to say he is Jesus ****ing Christ!!!

http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/facepalm.jpg

Beantown Bronco
12-02-2009, 12:34 PM
Not really. He's magnificent when it comes to football, but he's a social retard. He is not very witty or charming. He never cracks any funny jokes. A head football coach should be a man of sophisication. Somebody who drinks the best scotch and smokes the finest cigars, while charming hot women with his words. He's not that guy.


He should be more like this guy:

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Tombstone RJ
12-02-2009, 12:37 PM
Regardless of of what Bronco LB52 thinks, McD's reputation is expanding faster than the universe...

Bronco LB52
12-02-2009, 12:37 PM
He should be more like this guy:

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LOL Yeah exactly!

jhns
12-02-2009, 12:40 PM
Regardless of of what Bronco LB52 thinks, McD's reputation is expanding faster than the universe...

Not all in a good way if you believe the ESPN rumors section. Since they are one of the most reliable sources in the world, I tend to believe them.

Mountain Bronco
12-02-2009, 12:44 PM
Sure but they are undefeated and not losing games because they are unprepared or because of their new HC. They have been just as lucky as we have been but they haven't had a down game on one or both sides of the ball.

I think Nolan has had a bigger impact on our success than Coyer has had on the Colts. Take away the D play vs Dallas, NE and SD the 1st time, even Cinncy and we are fighting KFC and Oakland for a top 5 Draft pick next April.

BS. We aren't even close to the depths of KC or Oakland.

Broncosfreak_56
12-02-2009, 12:44 PM
Not really. He's magnificent when it comes to football, but he's a social retard. He is not very witty or charming. He never cracks any funny jokes. A head football coach should be a man of sophisication. Somebody who drinks the best scotch and smokes the finest cigars, while charming hot women with his words. He's not that guy.

This is really low on the priorities of what a head coach should be so you should all let it slide. This is just one of my minor quibbles with McDaniels.

I already said he was a great football coach!!! What more do you people want? Do you want me to say he is Jesus ****ing Christ!!!

cha∑ris∑ma:

A rare personal quality attributed to leaders who arouse fervent popular devotion and enthusiasm.

Bronco LB52
12-02-2009, 12:51 PM
cha∑ris∑ma:

A rare personal quality attributed to leaders who arouse fervent popular devotion and enthusiasm.

A special magnetic charm or appeal <<<< which McDaniels lacks

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-02-2009, 12:53 PM
A special magnetic charm or appeal <<<< which McDaniels lacks

Really? Is that how he got Dawkins to "drink the orange kool aid"? By not having a magnetic charm or appeal?

Fail.

Bronco LB52
12-02-2009, 12:54 PM
Really? Is that how he got Dawkins to "drink the orange kool aid"? By not having a magnetic charm or appeal?

Fail.

I said he was a great football coach. You fail.

Get the stick out of your ass. McDaniels doesn't walk on water.

jhns
12-02-2009, 12:56 PM
Really? Is that how he got Dawkins to "drink the orange kool aid"? By not having a magnetic charm or appeal?

Fail.

Dawkins said his decision was made because he wanted to play with Champ. McDaniels didn't get him to come, he just let him when he wanted to come.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-02-2009, 12:56 PM
I said he was great football coach. You fail.

Get the stick out of your ass. McDaniels doesn't walk on water.

I'm well aware that he doesn't walk on water.

Saying that he lacks appeal or charisma in light of what Dawkins and other vets on this team have said about him is a dog**** assessment.

Broncosfreak_56
12-02-2009, 01:01 PM
I hope your house catches fire and your entire family burns. Close casket funerals for all.

Thank you Bronco LB52 for that classy rep.

Bronco LB52
12-02-2009, 01:03 PM
I'm well aware that he doesn't walk on water.

Saying that he lacks appeal or charisma in light of what Dawkins and other vets on this team have said about him is a dog**** assessment.

I said he lacked charisma and appeal in some areas.

He's still an outstanding football coach. What more do you want me to say?

jhns
12-02-2009, 01:04 PM
I'm well aware that he doesn't walk on water.

Saying that he lacks appeal or charisma in light of what Dawkins and other vets on this team have said about him is a dog**** assessment.

LOL

I thought you were saying it is because he got Dawkins to come in before. That at least would make sense if you didn't know he came for Champ. Did you really just say we should take these players, who always say the right thing, seriously? What, do you really think Dawkins is going to say anything other than what he has, even if he hates his coach? You haven't payed much attention to the kind of guy Dawkins is if you do.

Man, you really need to come back to reality because you don't seem to have a clue how the world works.

TailgateNut
12-02-2009, 01:11 PM
Thank you Bronco LB52 for that classy rep.

That's ****ing low!

Broncosfreak_56
12-02-2009, 01:12 PM
That's ****ing low!

Yep. He is just a troll though.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-02-2009, 01:14 PM
LOL

I thought you were saying it is because he got Dawkins to come in before. That at least would make sense if you didn't know he came for Champ. Did you really just say we should take these players, who always say the right thing, seriously? What, do you really think Dawkins is going to say anything other than what he has, even if he hates his coach? You haven't payed much attention to the kind of guy Dawkins is if you do.

Man, you really need to come back to reality because you don't seem to have a clue how the world works.

Okay. So we can't trust a word the players say.

Or the coaches.

Or the media.

Or the franchise front office.

Or...

****, maybe you should stop paying attention all together. You obviously don't have a clue how the world works.

But thanks for playing.

NYBronco
12-02-2009, 01:15 PM
Thank you Pat Bowlen! :thumbsup:

Bronco LB52
12-02-2009, 01:17 PM
McDaniels is so ****ing good that he's eventually going to replace John Madden on the cover of the video game series.

"McDaniels NFL 2024
EA Sports
It's in the game!"

jhns
12-02-2009, 01:23 PM
Okay. So we can't trust a word the players say.

Or the coaches.

Or the media.

Or the franchise front office.

Or...

****, maybe you should stop paying attention all together. You obviously don't have a clue how the world works.

But thanks for playing.

I never tried to say some publicity line was proof of something. I know how the world works. Are you really saying I am wrong there? Are you really saying Dawkins would say anything different to the media even if he hated his coach?

Half your posts have something like, "your a dumb do-do head" in them. I'm not sure why someone like you would have such a problem with dumb people.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-02-2009, 01:51 PM
I never tried to say some publicity line was proof of something. I know how the world works. Are you really saying I am wrong there? Are you really saying Dawkins would say anything different to the media even if he hated his coach?

Half your posts have something like, "your a dumb do-do head" in them. I'm not sure why someone like you would have such a problem with dumb people.

If you'll recall (you won't), he offered that McDaniels had him drinking the orange kool aid without being asked. He didn't have to say anything.

But whatever. Believe what you want. You've proven to everyone on this board what a punchline you are.

"Half your posts have something like, "your a dumb do-do head" in them." Really?? What's a do-do head? Why don't you show all of us where I said, even once, "your (sp) a dumb do-do head". Go ahead. If something like that is in half my posts it shouldn't take you too long.

Mr.Meanie
12-02-2009, 02:04 PM
I never tried to say some publicity line was proof of something. I know how the world works. Are you really saying I am wrong there? Are you really saying Dawkins would say anything different to the media even if he hated his coach?

Half your posts have something like, "your a dumb do-do head" in them. I'm not sure why someone like you would have such a problem with dumb people.

Why would Dawkins hate McD? He explicitly stated the only reason he came to Denver was because of how McD pitched him. They are both intense and emotional forces for the team.

I'm guess I'm just trying to figure out where that kind of speculation even comes from.

jhns
12-02-2009, 02:12 PM
Why would Dawkins hate McD? He explicitly stated the only reason he came to Denver was because of how McD pitched him. They are both intense and emotional forces for the team.

I'm guess I'm just trying to figure out where that kind of speculation even comes from.

Where exactly did you get that I said he hates McDaniels?

Also, he said in an interview a week or two ago that he came because he wanted to play with Champ. He didn't say anything about McD influencing him to come.

NYBronco
12-02-2009, 02:14 PM
McDaniels is so ****ing good that he's eventually going to replace John Madden on the cover of the video game series.

"McDaniels NFL 2024
EA Sports
It's in the MotherF***ing game!"

The updated version. :yayaya:

jhns
12-02-2009, 02:16 PM
If you'll recall (you won't), he offered that McDaniels had him drinking the orange kool aid without being asked. He didn't have to say anything.

But whatever. Believe what you want. You've proven to everyone on this board what a punchline you are.

"Half your posts have something like, "your a dumb do-do head" in them." Really?? What's a do-do head? Why don't you show all of us where I said, even once, "your (sp) a dumb do-do head". Go ahead. If something like that is in half my posts it shouldn't take you too long.

Really, he said good things about the team to the media? A great team player and soilid veteran supported his coach in the media? My, I don't know how I didn't see the light before. Again, do you honestly think he says anything different even if he hates McD? Your proof is lame and your justification is just funny. Using this as proof that someone elses take is dumb is even funnier.

you have a few of those childish responses in this thread. Why would I need to look for them? Just go back a page or two and find them yourself. Shoot, look at your post history and you will see that it is about every other post.

Soul-Bronco
12-02-2009, 02:16 PM
Where exactly did you get that I said he hates McDaniels?

Also, he said in an interview a week or two ago that he came because he wanted to play with Champ. He didn't say anything about McD influencing him to come.

im sure playing with champ bailey was the only reason dawkins came to denver.



NOT

watermock
12-02-2009, 02:22 PM
I'd give him a B-.

Mainly for coaching up Orton thru injuries.

He also deserves credit for swiching to the 3/4 and hiring Nolan, Doom has really blossomed.

I even give him a pass on sideline theatrics, that was NLN's fault, not McD's., altho you can only go ballistic so many times before players start ignoring you.

I also agree jhe had a hand in revemping the D, especially new old/new blood.

Some things are puzzling tho.

I give the draft a D, considering all the high picks we had. Our D is good, but quite old.

BM will again be a problem in the offseason, he singlehandedly won the Dallas game and Giant's game, and Stokelyhad a freak play to pull out the Cincy game.

But, you make your own luck...

The losses by multi digits are concerning, but Neckbeard is playing great, and BM has bailed him out a few times.

Pesonally, I don't really like him much, I can only imagine if we were 8-3, but we lost by double didgets all 4.

BTW, drafting Cutler was still a good move, I guess trading him was even better. I just wish we had seen more impact from the draft.

I really wish we would of taken Orakapo and Cushing then drafted 2 rb's.

BTW, we have to pay Orton or tender im, I say tender, I don't think he will draw that much interest and see if he can play in 2110.

I think BM is gone.



Our draft, give how much we got for Cutler was totally C-.

jhns
12-02-2009, 02:25 PM
im sure playing with champ bailey was the only reason dawkins came to denver.



NOT

I'm just relaying what he said. Are you saying he lied? Are you saying we can't listen to everything they say to the media? Blasphemy...

watermock
12-02-2009, 02:25 PM
Why would Dawkins hate McD? He explicitly stated the only reason he came to Denver was because of how McD pitched him. They are both intense and emotional forces for the team.

I'm guess I'm just trying to figure out where that kind of speculation even comes from.

Dawkins came here becaue it was the best deal and he was guaranteed to start.

Buy a vowel.

bowtown
12-02-2009, 02:29 PM
Thank you Bronco LB52 for that classy rep.

Wow I hope BroncoLB52 has his bags packed becasue I think he's about to take a little vacation.

bowtown
12-02-2009, 02:31 PM
Our draft, give how much we got for Cutler was totally C-.

And once again Mock claims to be able to read the future.

underrated29
12-02-2009, 02:40 PM
Wow I hope BroncoLB52 has his bags packed becasue I think he's about to take a little vacation.




yeah thats a pretty mother***** douchebag thing to say.

BLB52= Foneco.

jhat01
12-02-2009, 02:40 PM
Dawkins came here becaue it was the best deal and he was guaranteed to start.

Buy a vowel.

riiiiiight cuz the coaching staff had nothing to do with it. Solve the puzzle...

Northman
12-02-2009, 02:44 PM
Ive liked what he has done this year. Still some work to be done overall but i think we have the right man for the job.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-02-2009, 02:44 PM
you have a few of those childish responses in this thread. Why would I need to look for them? Just go back a page or two and find them yourself. Shoot, look at your post history and you will see that it is about every other post.

So you couldn't actually find any? How odd.

Jhns talks out his ass again. Shocking. I'm without words.

jhns
12-02-2009, 02:48 PM
So you couldn't actually find any? How odd.

Jhns talks out his ass again. Shocking. I'm without words.

LOL...

Ok, I will do that for you in about an hour. I bet it would take more than one post(I assume there is a character limit, never have reached it) to put just the childish insults from this week alone.

Again though, there are a couple in this thread. Can you not read what you can spell? How does that work exactly?

Miss I.
12-02-2009, 02:49 PM
Since you guys went all Oprah on me....here's a little song...;D

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PS....I feel that song best represents my feelings about Jay Cutler. I feel more like this about McDaniels...

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watermock
12-02-2009, 03:07 PM
And once again Mock claims to be able to read the future.


5 picks in the first 2 rounds? 3 in the first 37?

Picks like Clady and Royal fill the bill.

Ayers, Smith and Quinn don't.

That's what you get with 48 players on a 5x8 card, working each player out.

The future is now, as in Not For Long.

Development players are for the later rounds.

You can't read the future any better than I, but I know when a player gets his name called..

I haven't heard any picked called out except Smith for a botched punt return.

watermock
12-02-2009, 03:15 PM
I'm also sick of the Cutler bashing.

We got plenty from the trade, so it was STILL A GREAT PICK.

What we did with the trade was dissapointing.

Was't 2 firsts enough to fill out McD's 3x5?

You do know we only moved up 5 spots to draft Smith, who has done NOTHING.

Miss I.
12-02-2009, 03:23 PM
okay, you guys do understand the videos were meant as gentle teasing right? I don't actually understand the negative rep being filled with so much actual hatred. But for the record, the C word seems a bit harsh retaliation for teasing. The smilie face should've been a clue that I was teasing. I got a specific poster's message loud and clear. . I really wish you all the best in your life. To all of the other Bronco fans on the board, I wish you well and I am taking this person's message to heart. It was possibly the vilest thing anyone has ever said to me and I duly acquiesce and will leave the Mane. Enjoy the season everyone. It's been an interesting year so far. Go Broncos!

Soul-Bronco
12-02-2009, 03:44 PM
I'm also sick of the Cutler bashing.

We got plenty from the trade, so it was STILL A GREAT PICK.

What we did with the trade was dissapointing.

Was't 2 firsts enough to fill out McD's 3x5?

You do know we only moved up 5 spots to draft Smith, who has done NOTHING.

you can stay sick, cutler will be bashed by bronco fans until the end of his career, he's a whiny no winning baby punk

F cutler, hope he breaks the INT record

baja
12-02-2009, 04:05 PM
Dawkins came here becaue it was the best deal and he was guaranteed to start.

Buy a vowel.

Dawkins himself stated he came here for one solo reason, he bought into McDaniels' plan.

Buy a clue.

watermock
12-02-2009, 04:19 PM
Uh huh.

Fact is, he went BACK to Philly to see if they would match.


Buy some beans and fart some more crap..

steeledude
12-02-2009, 04:50 PM
I love it. Just read it again and key in on the sense of panic in his post. Dude knows **** is turning around, and it's just ruining his world.

AGHGHH DJ WILLIAMS SUCKS

ARRRGGGHHHH Marshall is SOOOOO immature.

Soul-Bronco
12-02-2009, 04:55 PM
AGHGHH DJ WILLIAMS SUCKS

ARRRGGGHHHH Marshall is SOOOOO immature.



ARGGGGGGGGG mcpoopy pants is going to trade away bmarsh and doom

so lets hate him for things he hasnt done yet!!!!!!!!

jhns
12-03-2009, 04:50 PM
So you couldn't actually find any? How odd.

Jhns talks out his ass again. Shocking. I'm without words.

OK, I didn't want to do the week that I said I would. It also took me an extra day because I decided to go out yesterday. I got through about 10 posts and got bored. I will just post what I came up with anyways.

I have to ask. What exactly do you think of a person that argues with a retarded person? If I see a mentally handicapped person saying something dumb, I don't run up and yell to them that they are retarded. If you argue with dumb people, you are a dumb person. This isn't even a debatable statement. Just remember it and then read through your past posting...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2661859&postcount=130

"retard"

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2661119&postcount=67

"What a moron."

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2660286&postcount=306

"You were wrong, I called you on it, and your only response was "Durrrrrrrr, I already told you." Good one, doofus.

Here's a hot tip: Take Cutler's cock out of your mouth. Swallow. Wipe your ****ing dirty whorish mouth and get on with your life, you pathetic no-point-having waste of bandwidth.

Your mother should have slapped you. Now I have to go slap her. Whores beget whores."

^^^ and Popps is going on about how lex should be banned for saying he feels sorry for his children......

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2660162&postcount=284

" your stupid ass"

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2660129&postcount=276

"obtuse moron"

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2658786&postcount=24

" you're stupid"

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2656066&postcount=15

"/retard'd"

^ These are just from the past two days. I don't feel like looking through all of your posts so I am jumping a couple days to a thread I called you out on the childish insults before. The jump in the date difference isn't you taking a break from the kiddy insults.

One link, same thread.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2653839#post2653839

"you're much dumber than I thought."

"What a ****ing moron."


Just for fun, here is you complaining about others using insults. I just pulled a couple of them, but you do it a lot. The thread I link to has multiple complaints about lex using insults....

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2659118&postcount=130

"Yet another insult, still no point."

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2659066#post2659066

"now see if you can refute that without calling names."


What a waste of 20 minutes.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-03-2009, 06:25 PM
OK, I didn't want to do the week that I said I would. It also took me an extra day because I decided to go out yesterday. I got through about 10 posts and got bored. I will just post what I came up with anyways.

I have to ask. What exactly do you think of a person that argues with a retarded person? If I see a mentally handicapped person saying something dumb, I don't run up and yell to them that they are retarded. If you argue with dumb people, you are a dumb person. This isn't even a debatable statement. Just remember it and then read through your past posting...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2661859&postcount=130

"retard"

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2661119&postcount=67

"What a moron."

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2660286&postcount=306

"You were wrong, I called you on it, and your only response was "Durrrrrrrr, I already told you." Good one, doofus.

Here's a hot tip: Take Cutler's cock out of your mouth. Swallow. Wipe your ****ing dirty whorish mouth and get on with your life, you pathetic no-point-having waste of bandwidth.

Your mother should have slapped you. Now I have to go slap her. Whores beget whores."

^^^ and Popps is going on about how lex should be banned for saying he feels sorry for his children......

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2660162&postcount=284

" your stupid ass"

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2660129&postcount=276

"obtuse moron"

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2658786&postcount=24

" you're stupid"

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2656066&postcount=15

"/retard'd"

^ These are just from the past two days. I don't feel like looking through all of your posts so I am jumping a couple days to a thread I called you out on the childish insults before. The jump in the date difference isn't you taking a break from the kiddy insults.

One link, same thread.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2653839#post2653839

"you're much dumber than I thought."

"What a ****ing moron."


Just for fun, here is you complaining about others using insults. I just pulled a couple of them, but you do it a lot. The thread I link to has multiple complaints about lex using insults....

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2659118&postcount=130

"Yet another insult, still no point."

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2659066#post2659066

"now see if you can refute that without calling names."


What a waste of 20 minutes.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Lex has a boyfriend and defender! Cute!

Unfortunately, you fail. Again.

I asked you to show one post where I posted "something like" a "do-do head." Sadly for you, there's not one post even remotely like that.

Failure. At least you and lex can spend your golden years together, comforting each other, sucking each other off, sticking fruits and vegetables in each others asses, and talking about the good old days when the Broncos won no more than 8 games in a year, but the QB went to the pro bowl.

What a marvelous time you're sure to have.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-03-2009, 06:26 PM
Uh huh.

Fact is, he went BACK to Philly to see if they would match.


Buy some beans and fart some more crap..

I believe that's called an "Accidental Blumpkin," or as it's known around these parts, a "Bob."

jhns
12-03-2009, 08:25 PM
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Lex has a boyfriend and defender! Cute!

Unfortunately, you fail. Again.

I asked you to show one post where I posted "something like" a "do-do head." Sadly for you, there's not one post even remotely like that.

Failure. At least you and lex can spend your golden years together, comforting each other, sucking each other off, sticking fruits and vegetables in each others asses, and talking about the good old days when the Broncos won no more than 8 games in a year, but the QB went to the pro bowl.

What a marvelous time you're sure to have.

What does my post have to do with lex? You have him on your mind a lot. You also seem to have a very gay theme to your posts. I noticed that as I went through the last couple days, and then this.... Hmmm......

Those kiddy insults are the same as do-do head. You need to get a little more creative. Your posts are pretty lame. Same thing every time. What are you a moron or something? Learn a few new insults you retard.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-03-2009, 08:40 PM
What does my post have to do with lex? You have him on your mind a lot. You also seem to have a very gay theme to your posts. I noticed that as I went through the last couple days, and then this.... Hmmm......

Those kiddy insults are the same as do-do head. You need to get a little more creative. Your posts are pretty lame. Same thing every time. What are you a moron or something? Learn a few new insults you retard.

Well first, lex is relevant because you mentioned him. in fact, you probably are him. Don't remember mentioning him? "^^^ and Popps is going on about how lex should be banned for saying he feels sorry for his children......"
So jhns/lex, I say this from the heart: Go **** yourselves.

I get it. When I call someone a moron, it must be because I'm a moron.

When you call someone a moron, it must be because you won the argument.

:rofl:

Awesome.

What does it mean when I call you an absolute dip****?

You've been owned time and time again, and I won't waste any more time with your nonsense.

bowtown
12-03-2009, 09:27 PM
NM. A little drunk and mean tonight.

Tombstone RJ
12-03-2009, 09:45 PM
Its funny when posters like jhns and TODM start slinging insults... sad but funny.

jhns
12-04-2009, 06:05 AM
Well first, lex is relevant because you mentioned him. in fact, you probably are him. Don't remember mentioning him? "^^^ and Popps is going on about how lex should be banned for saying he feels sorry for his children......"
So jhns/lex, I say this from the heart: Go **** yourselves.

I get it. When I call someone a moron, it must be because I'm a moron.

When you call someone a moron, it must be because you won the argument.

:rofl:

Awesome.

What does it mean when I call you an absolute dip****?

You've been owned time and time again, and I won't waste any more time with your nonsense.

So because I commented about a post that was a response to lex, I am defending him? I just wanted to give popps the opportunity to see that he is completely wrong. Everyone that mentions family isn't banned. If he is right, you should be banned. I don't really care who it was to.

Don't be so stupid. I exagerated a point and you go all crybaby about it. I prove it and you go all crybaby again. Deal with it. You are stupid. School would help that. It's never to late.

jhns
12-04-2009, 06:09 AM
Its funny when posters like jhns and TODM start slinging insults... sad but funny.

Its funny when you shut up.... sad but funny.

vancejohnson82
12-04-2009, 06:26 AM
this isnt where I parked my car....

oubronco
12-04-2009, 06:44 AM
This is just sad

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-04-2009, 06:48 AM
This message is hidden because jhns is on your ignore list (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

Ahhhhhhhhhhh.

jhns
12-04-2009, 06:54 AM
This message is hidden because jhns is on your ignore list (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

Ahhhhhhhhhhh.

Nice. Homegirl got angry...

My point is proven though. I only threw the exact same insults, that you are using 20 times a day, back at you. It is pretty funny that you are getting so upset over it.

TheDave
12-04-2009, 07:00 AM
okay, you guys do understand the videos were meant as gentle teasing right? I don't actually understand the negative rep being filled with so much actual hatred. But for the record, the C word seems a bit harsh retaliation for teasing. The smilie face should've been a clue that I was teasing. I got a specific poster's message loud and clear. . I really wish you all the best in your life. To all of the other Bronco fans on the board, I wish you well and I am taking this person's message to heart. It was possibly the vilest thing anyone has ever said to me and I duly acquiesce and will leave the Mane. Enjoy the season everyone. It's been an interesting year so far. Go Broncos!

WOW... What a shame.

This place has really fallen apart.

elsid13
12-04-2009, 07:04 AM
okay, you guys do understand the videos were meant as gentle teasing right? I don't actually understand the negative rep being filled with so much actual hatred. But for the record, the C word seems a bit harsh retaliation for teasing. The smilie face should've been a clue that I was teasing. I got a specific poster's message loud and clear. . I really wish you all the best in your life. To all of the other Bronco fans on the board, I wish you well and I am taking this person's message to heart. It was possibly the vilest thing anyone has ever said to me and I duly acquiesce and will leave the Mane. Enjoy the season everyone. It's been an interesting year so far. Go Broncos!

OK who ever did that is a dick. I didn't realize that this board a become Raider like.

vancejohnson82
12-04-2009, 07:07 AM
WOW... What a shame.

This place has really fallen apart.

yea....i was thinking the same thing when I read that

since January its been descending into a moronic abyss

Beantown Bronco
12-04-2009, 07:12 AM
OK who ever did that is a dick. I didn't realize that this board a become Raider like.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say BroncoLB 52. If he hasn't left you an extremely offensive neg rep at least once, you haven't been here very long. It's pretty much a rite of passage IMO.

TheDave
12-04-2009, 07:16 AM
yea....i was thinking the same thing when I read that

since January its been descending into a moronic abyss

It's too bad... This place use to have some of the best football discussions I've ever been part of. It's still great when you want to act like a drunken fan, but now I have to go else where for the actual football talk.

Oh well...

fontaine
12-04-2009, 07:25 AM
McDaniels has done extremely well so far and does deserve a lot of credit.

Not because of his fist pumping, challenging the OL etc etc but for the pure and simple fact that he gets his team prepared and really holds players accountable for when they make mental errors.

You saw it with the OL, he went beserk on those guys when they made mental mistakes leading to false starts.

I've seen it with Orton as well, when early on the season Orton made a couple of poor throws and McDaniels really got on his case and said to him something like "Never mind 'my bad,' just go out and get it ****ing done/play smarter."

I saw it with Hamilton when he was benched for playing poorly and the same with Ayers, cutting JMFW and bringing in Law.

He holds his players accountable for every play and that's important.

But again, his future in Denver will be decided on how he deals with the trenches(Polumbus has been awful apart from the Giants game, Weigmann is barely hanging on, and Hochstein is hit and miss).

Our DL as well. Holliday probably is on his last legs altho he has played well in his limited snaps, McBean is doing ok, and LeKevin (?) really impressed me since he's recovered from injury.

If we can somehow get Seymour who'll be a FA next offseason then I'll be a fan for life.

GoBroncos DownUnder
12-04-2009, 07:25 AM
It's too bad... This place use to have some of the best football discussions I've ever been part of. It's still great when you want to act like a drunken fan, but now I have to go else where for the actual football talk.

Oh well...
If you find/found somewhere else good, feel free to IM me, ... I deal with enough idiots at work, I don't need to deal with the online variety as well!:wiggle:

TailgateNut
12-04-2009, 07:29 AM
It's too bad... This place use to have some of the best football discussions I've ever been part of. It's still great when you want to act like a drunken fan, but now I have to go else where for the actual football talk.
Oh well...


Like the "we are doomed threads" and the "McD lover" and "Jay hater" threads you were so deeply entrenched in earlier in the season. You know, the time we were all idiots for beliving in our team.:wiggle:

TheDave
12-04-2009, 07:35 AM
Like the "we are doomed threads" and the "McD lover" and "Jay hater" threads you were so deeply entrenched in earlier in the season. You know, the time we were all idiots for beliving in our team.:wiggle:

Yep I was involved in all that BEFORE the season started... It's too bad that's all that is still going on now that there are actual games being played.

vancejohnson82
12-04-2009, 07:40 AM
It's too bad... This place use to have some of the best football discussions I've ever been part of. It's still great when you want to act like a drunken fan, but now I have to go else where for the actual football talk.

Oh well...

i still appreciate this place when guys like Mediator, Kaylore and sometimes TJ (gutless drunk aside) post analysis of the gameplans and individual player/game analysis...i live away from the Denver so its tough to get some Patriots or Giants fan to talk Broncos football at length...they get no coverage over here and youbarely hear about them so I need to come on here to vent or talk football

i just hate the McD bashing...honestly, its completely unwarranted right now...should he be playing Hillis??? maybe...but at 7-4 are we really going to nitpick this guy...nobody thought we would get to 7 wins (well, i thought we would get 10)....so this has been an unreal accomplishment in all honesty

TheDave
12-04-2009, 07:50 AM
i still appreciate this place when guys like Mediator, Kaylore and sometimes TJ (gutless drunk aside) post analysis of the gameplans and individual player/game analysis...i live away from the Denver so its tough to get some Patriots or Giants fan to talk Broncos football at length...they get no coverage over here and youbarely hear about them so I need to come on here to vent or talk football

i just hate the McD bashing...honestly, its completely unwarranted right now...should he be playing Hillis??? maybe...but at 7-4 are we really going to nitpick this guy...nobody thought we would get to 7 wins (well, i thought we would get 10)....so this has been an unreal accomplishment in all honesty

I still have questions about his GM abilities... High risk moves like Cutler, Alphonso Smith, and drafting Quinn with a 2nd still concern me. The Cutler trade sure looks like a win for this season but the other 2 gambles aren't looking so goo at this point.

As far as the coaching goes he has exceeded all of my expectations. His ability to implement new schemes and players accross the board has been nothing short of spectacular. On the other hand, as much as I love his passion and sideline rants I do worry that players will quickly tune him out if he doesn't win consitantly.

For right now, I'm as happy as can be with him and look forward to seeing how he grows into the position and am excited to see what he can and will do with another offseason.

Tombstone RJ
12-04-2009, 07:52 AM
its funny when you shut up.... Sad but funny.

oh snap!

SouthStndJunkie
12-04-2009, 07:57 AM
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vancejohnson82
12-04-2009, 07:59 AM
I still have questions about his GM abilities... High risk moves like Cutler, Alphonso Smith, and drafting Quinn with a 2nd still concern me. The Cutler trade sure looks like a win for this season but the other 2 gambles aren't looking so goo at this point.

As far as the coaching goes he has exceeded all of my expectations. His ability to implement new schemes and players accross the board has been nothing short of spectacular. As much as I love his passion and sideline rants I do worry that players will quickly tune him out if he doesn't win consitantly.

For right now, I'm as happy as can be with him and look forward to seeing how he grows into the position and am excited to see what he can and will do with another offseason.

I might be enamored with the guy just because he is sooo different from Shanahan from a player management standpoint...Mike was the traditional "grin and bear" it type of coach...i got sick to my stomach over his last few years when you knew he wanted to fire up the troops but felt that it wasnt in his capabilities to do it...the only guy he would ever really get into the ear of was Cutler...and i dont know how much of an effect that had

you're right though....without wins, that type of pom-pom attitude is going to wear thin on the players (see Rex Ryan). However, I think it was the right mixture of talent and enthusiasm we needed, as I think the entire organization had become a bit relaxed and complacent. This isnt a knock on Shanahan at all, but sometimes you just need to change in order to move forward...i think the Cutler trade (aside from the actual picks, players, etc) really got people on their toes and showed the players that we were moving in a new direction.

From an Xs and Os standpoint he gets an A- in my book.
From a player management standpoint he gets an A
From a GM standpoint he gets an incomplete

Guys like Ayers and Smith werent drafted to start this year....i know a lot of people hate the fact that we traded up for Alphonso, but he is the heir apparent to the Bailey throne....corner, in my opinion, is the toughest position to play in the NFL...especially if you plan on being a shutdown type of guy...we were going to give him a year or so to ease into the system, which is the reason we went out and got Goodman

TheDave
12-04-2009, 08:09 AM
I might be enamored with the guy just because he is sooo different from Shanahan from a player management standpoint...Mike was the traditional "grin and bear" it type of coach...i got sick to my stomach over his last few years when you knew he wanted to fire up the troops but felt that it wasnt in his capabilities to do it...the only guy he would ever really get into the ear of was Cutler...and i dont know how much of an effect that had

you're right though....without wins, that type of pom-pom attitude is going to wear thin on the players (see Rex Ryan). However, I think it was the right mixture of talent and enthusiasm we needed, as I think the entire organization had become a bit relaxed and complacent. This isnt a knock on Shanahan at all, but sometimes you just need to change in order to move forward...i think the Cutler trade (aside from the actual picks, players, etc) really got people on their toes and showed the players that we were moving in a new direction.

From an Xs and Os standpoint he gets an A- in my book.
From a player management standpoint he gets an A
From a GM standpoint he gets an incomplete

Guys like Ayers and Smith werent drafted to start this year....i know a lot of people hate the fact that we traded up for Alphonso, but he is the heir apparent to the Bailey throne....corner, in my opinion, is the toughest position to play in the NFL...especially if you plan on being a shutdown type of guy...we were going to give him a year or so to ease into the system, which is the reason we went out and got Goodman

Trust me I'm not making any final judgements on our draft picks... Moreno is the only one I expected to contribute right away and he is. I'll expect more out of Ayers and Smith next season.

To be honest I'm happiest with Kyle Orton. I was soooooo afraid we were going to be in the QB hunt this coming offseason. His development with "Brandy" behind him tells me we can focus on other things in FA and the draft. Another year of us beefing up the front 7 and OG/OC should spell great things for us in the future.

Something else I LOVE is that the type of team we are putting together is exactly what gives SD fits. A tough, physical, in your face team is exactly what we need to win back the division.

Rohirrim
12-04-2009, 08:22 AM
okay, you guys do understand the videos were meant as gentle teasing right? I don't actually understand the negative rep being filled with so much actual hatred. But for the record, the C word seems a bit harsh retaliation for teasing. The smilie face should've been a clue that I was teasing. I got a specific poster's message loud and clear. . I really wish you all the best in your life. To all of the other Bronco fans on the board, I wish you well and I am taking this person's message to heart. It was possibly the vilest thing anyone has ever said to me and I duly acquiesce and will leave the Mane. Enjoy the season everyone. It's been an interesting year so far. Go Broncos!

I wish you'd stay and fight for the board. Post the names of the people who gave you those comments and what the comments were. It's time some garbage got thrown out around here, before that's all that's left.

vancejohnson82
12-04-2009, 08:25 AM
Trust me I'm not making any final judgements on our draft picks... Moreno is the only one I expected to contribute right away and he is. I'll expect more out of Ayers and Smith next season.

To be honest I'm happiest with Kyle Orton. I was soooooo afraid we were going to be in the QB hunt this coming offseason. His development with "Brandy" behind him tells me we can focus on other things in FA and the draft. Another year of us beefing up the front 7 and OG/OC should spell great things for us in the future.

Something else I LOVE is that the type of team we are putting together is exactly what gives SD fits. A tough, physical, in your face team is exactly what we need to win back the division.

exactly...i like the makeup of the team....physically we are punching people in the mouths (at times)...guys like Dawkins and Daniel Graham are great examples for Moreno and DJ WILLIAMS....I've always wanted the Broncos to be more physical in the past. When we would take the field against teams like the Ravens, Eagles and Steelers you always got the feeling that we would have to razzle dazzle them with some trick plays and try and sneak out of there with a win...i always felt like we weren't in their league when it came down to pushing the ball down someones throat and beating the crap out of their offense....it seems to be changing at least a little bit this year

another note about DJ Williams....i like what he's done this year...he's always been a big numbers guy when it comes to tackles but he would disappear during games or long stretches of games...i like the way he has been taking on blockers, getting tough at the point of attack and just generally being a part of every defensive sequence...i was just about to give up on him but he can really emerge as one of the leaders for this defense for a long time coming.....good job #55

outdoor_miner
12-04-2009, 09:00 AM
On the other hand, as much as I love his passion and sideline rants I do worry that players will quickly tune him out if he doesn't win consitantly.

I think the thing that will offset the ranting is that he is not all negative all the time. He is just as happy when things are going good as he is pissed when things are going bad. His lovefests with Marshall are a good illustration of this, as was his reaction after the Patriots game. Also, he doesn't seem to be uptight, like a Tom Coughlin. He played music throughout Training Camp, letting the players pick songs. He seems like he lets the guys have fun... I think that balance is important when you have a guy that gets in players faces. I played college basketball, and my coach was a yeller/screamer/ranter, but he never ever let up. Ever. That is definitely tiresome for a player. A coach can get away with it in college (the coach has been at the school for over 25 years), but definitely not long-term in the pros.

Archer81
12-04-2009, 09:25 AM
I wish you'd stay and fight for the board. Post the names of the people who gave you those comments and what the comments were. It's time some garbage got thrown out around here, before that's all that's left.


+1.



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McD more rings than Elway
05-17-2012, 08:34 PM
This team isn't perfect, and coach will have lot's of work to do in the years to come. But he's the right man for the job.

Josh McDaniels is my coach.

He's my coach too:(

Taco John
05-17-2012, 09:03 PM
I wretch every time I read or hear his name.

Taco John
05-17-2012, 09:04 PM
He's my coach too:(

You know how a cat likes to play with a mouse before he rips his throat out?

McD more rings than Elway
05-17-2012, 09:15 PM
You know how a cat likes to play with a mouse before he rips his throat out?

You sold out your people for the white man. You're no vato loco.

Taco John
05-17-2012, 09:17 PM
You sold out your people for the white man. You're no vato loco.

LOL

I have no idea what that means, but you're right. I'm not a vato loco.

Bigdawg26
05-17-2012, 09:43 PM
I wretch every time I read or hear his name.

This! F McDummy!!

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
05-17-2012, 09:58 PM
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BroncoBuff
05-17-2012, 10:25 PM
As time passes, I blame Josh less and less ... Bowlen and Ellis more and more.

In the end, the style that made Josh such an attractive candidate was the style that did him in: He's a brash, demanding hard-charger. Bowlen set him loose in Dove Valley with no limits, no structure, and whadd'ya know? Josh brashly charged all over ... stonewalled Cutler, bullied Nolan, rolled the cameras. It's human nature for all of us to exert control to the extent we can, so how can yo blame Josh for doing so?

You have yourself a confrontational doggie, you keep the leash short enough he doesn't get himself into big trouble. They shouldda done that with Josh, the failure to do so was the #1 problem. Josh paid for Bowlen's ineptitude ... he deserved better.

spdirty
05-17-2012, 10:32 PM
McD is a piece of **** and I hope his career continues down the path of failure.

houghtam
05-17-2012, 10:45 PM
As time passes, I blame Josh less and less ... Bowlen and Ellis more and more.

In the end, the style that made Josh such an attractive candidate was the style that did him in: He's a brash, demanding hard-charger. Bowlen set him loose in Dove Valley with no limits, no structure, and whadd'ya know? Josh brashly charged all over ... stonewalled Cutler, bullied Nolan, rolled the cameras. It's human nature for all of us to exert control to the extent we can, so how can yo blame Josh for doing so?

You have yourself a confrontational doggie, you keep the leash short enough he doesn't get himself into big trouble. They shouldda done that with Josh, the failure to do so was the #1 problem. Josh paid for Bowlen's ineptitude ... he deserved better.

This. Not saying McDaniels is a good coach, but the person in charge has to be held accountable for the decision to begin with.

NorCalBronco7
05-17-2012, 10:49 PM
**** HIS SOUL

Stuck in Cali
05-17-2012, 10:53 PM
One of the good things about the past, is its the past. I hated every second he was the coach.

NorCalBronco7
05-17-2012, 10:59 PM
One of the good things about the past, is its the past. I hated every second he was the coach.

"Stuck" in Cali? Thats not even possible. Thats more like, reno/vagas type of ****.

Shananahan
05-17-2012, 11:20 PM
As time passes, I blame Josh less and less ... Bowlen and Ellis more and more.

In the end, the style that made Josh such an attractive candidate was the style that did him in: He's a brash, demanding hard-charger. Bowlen set him loose in Dove Valley with no limits, no structure, and whadd'ya know? Josh brashly charged all over ... stonewalled Cutler, bullied Nolan, rolled the cameras. It's human nature for all of us to exert control to the extent we can, so how can yo blame Josh for doing so?

You have yourself a confrontational doggie, you keep the leash short enough he doesn't get himself into big trouble. They shouldda done that with Josh, the failure to do so was the #1 problem. Josh paid for Bowlen's ineptitude ... he deserved better.
I sorta get what you're saying and almost even agree, but regardless of how correct your post is it does not absolve McDaniels from anything he did while coaching here.

He was hired to be The Guy, wanted control and received it. It shouldn't have happened that way, but it's a little silly to me for people to blame Bowlen for not handling the guy with kid gloves or training wheels. If you don't believe your top choice is capable of doing his job without being babied and restrained, then he's the wrong person. It was a bad hire, but everything that McDaniels did wrong after he was hired is on him alone.

broncocalijohn
05-17-2012, 11:23 PM
He turned out to be obnoxious little bitch that thought the NFL will revolve around him. He tried to do everything his way or the highway. He sucked balls. How can anyone take the OP seriously? Is it Montrose or McBleed's alternate account? WHo would parade McDaniels around like some hero? Maybe it is Josh himself?

baja
05-17-2012, 11:23 PM
As time passes, I blame Josh less and less ... Bowlen and Ellis more and more.

In the end, the style that made Josh such an attractive candidate was the style that did him in: He's a brash, demanding hard-charger. Bowlen set him loose in Dove Valley with no limits, no structure, and whadd'ya know? Josh brashly charged all over ... stonewalled Cutler, bullied Nolan, rolled the cameras. It's human nature for all of us to exert control to the extent we can, so how can yo blame Josh for doing so?

You have yourself a confrontational doggie, you keep the leash short enough he doesn't get himself into big trouble. They shouldda done that with Josh, the failure to do so was the #1 problem. Josh paid for Bowlen's ineptitude ... he deserved better.

Not sure about the "He deserved better" part but I agree with the rest. I been saying the same for a long time now.

He lost me with the cheating thing. He did leave us with some good players and I am glad Cutler and Marshall are gone. Have no problem with getting rid of Hillis

He did make some bad choices and stupid trades with all the really nice picks he compiled.

Stuck in Cali
05-17-2012, 11:23 PM
"Stuck" in Cali? Thats not even possible. Thats more like, reno/vagas type of ****.

LOL. Wife, kids = 100% possible :)

baja
05-17-2012, 11:28 PM
I sorta get what you're saying and almost even agree, but regardless of how correct your post is it does not absolve McDaniels from anything he did while coaching here.

He was hired to be The Guy, wanted control and received it. It shouldn't have happened that way, but it's a little silly to me for people to blame Bowlen for not handling the guy with kid gloves or training wheels. If you don't believe your top choice is capable of doing his job without being babied and restrained, then he's the wrong person. It was a bad hire, but everything that McDaniels did wrong after he was hired is on him alone.

I don't think Buff is talking about babying or restrained. Bowlen gave him "Shanahan level" powers and that was stupid thing to do with a young first year coach. Things might have turned out very different had Bowlen hired a strong experienced GM.

houghtam
05-17-2012, 11:29 PM
I don't think Buff is talking about babying or restrained. Bowlen gave him Shanahan powers and that was stupid thing to do with a young first year coach. Things might have turned out very different had Bowlen hired a strong experienced GM.

Yeppers.

NorCalBronco7
05-17-2012, 11:32 PM
LOL. Wife, kids = 100% possible :)

Real talk.

This is the weirdest response ive had on the INTERNET EVER!

Hilarious!

Seriously not lying.

I eat children for breakfeast.

NorCalBronco7
05-17-2012, 11:34 PM
YES

Everyone bask in my glory.

Shananahan
05-17-2012, 11:41 PM
I don't think Buff is talking about babying or restrained. Bowlen gave him "Shanahan level" powers and that was stupid thing to do with a young first year coach. Things might have turned out very different had Bowlen hired a strong experienced GM.
Well yeah. I guess that post was based on the assumption that Bowlen didn't have any intention or desire to do that at the time (which, yeah, was dumb and should have been done about five years prior). Blaming Bowlen for anything other than the initial hire and power structure is goofy to me, though.

I mean:
It's human nature for all of us to exert control to the extent we can, so how can yo blame Josh for doing so?
We don't have to blame him for exerting control to that extent, but should for the failures it resulted in. I like the fact that Bowlen shows faith and confidence in the coaches and, for the most part, lets them (try to) do their jobs without interference. When it backfires it's obviously ugly, yes, but it's better than a trigger-happy coaching carousel like in Washington, Oakland, KC, etc.

McDaniels hung himself, and is to blame for everything negative associated with his tenure.

baja
05-18-2012, 12:09 AM
Well yeah. I guess that post was based on the assumption that Bowlen didn't have any intention or desire to do that at the time (which, yeah, was dumb and should have been done about five years prior). Blaming Bowlen for anything other than the initial hire and power structure is goofy to me, though.

I mean:

We don't have to blame him for exerting control to that extent, but should for the failures it resulted in. I like the fact that Bowlen shows faith and confidence in the coaches and, for the most part, lets them (try to) do their jobs without interference. When it backfires it's obviously ugly, yes, but it's better than a trigger-happy coaching carousel like in Washington, Oakland, KC, etc.

McDaniels hung himself, and is to blame for everything negative associated with his tenure.

Degrees, Shananahan, degrees.

Standing back and let them coach is a far cry from give him the keys to Dove Valley and than go take a nap.

Shananahan
05-18-2012, 12:47 AM
I'm not saying Bowlen should get a free pass or anything, but for people to say they're now blaming him more than McDaniels is ridiculous.

Bowlen gave McDaniels the keys to the house, but McDaniels was the one who went inside and **** all over everything.

SoCalBronco
05-18-2012, 01:06 AM
I'm not saying Bowlen should get a free pass or anything, but for people to say they're now blaming him more than McDaniels is ridiculous.

Bowlen gave McDaniels the keys to the house, but McDaniels was the one who went inside and **** all over everything.

Bowlen should have done more to quell the Cutler crisis, especially when it became clear the two principals weren't going to work it out on their own. He had an oppurtunity to personally meet with the aggrieved party but apparently felt it wasn't worth his time to walk a couple hundred feet. If he truly wanted to resolve the dispute amicably, it also would have been wise for him to restrain his minions from leaking inflammatory material about the other side.

No, he just sat there like a bump on a log. I bet if it weren't for the spygate thing, he would have been perfectly content to give Josh a third year to continue to destroy things.

houghtam
05-18-2012, 02:00 AM
I'm not saying Bowlen should get a free pass or anything, but for people to say they're now blaming him more than McDaniels is ridiculous.

Bowlen gave McDaniels the keys to the house, but McDaniels was the one who went inside and **** all over everything.

Yeah, but in your analogy, McDaniels was an untrained puppy. Do you beat the **** out of a 6 week old puppy for leaving it alone in the house for a week? Or do you just sit back and laugh at the dumbass owner who let it happen?

Where's that dyslexic guy? I hope I didn't hurt his feelings by talking about beating puppies. :yayaya:

Drek
05-18-2012, 04:23 AM
I sorta get what you're saying and almost even agree, but regardless of how correct your post is it does not absolve McDaniels from anything he did while coaching here.

He was hired to be The Guy, wanted control and received it. It shouldn't have happened that way, but it's a little silly to me for people to blame Bowlen for not handling the guy with kid gloves or training wheels. If you don't believe your top choice is capable of doing his job without being babied and restrained, then he's the wrong person. It was a bad hire, but everything that McDaniels did wrong after he was hired is on him alone.

Bowlen specifically stated after firing Shanahan that he wanted more distribution of power. That he would play a greater role and he would have a legitimate GM with more than just oversight of the scouting department.

Instead just a few months later he's completely on the outside looking in, he's appointed a new GM who has been nothing but a bean counter in NFL front offices, and booted out his best pro personnel guy (Jim Goodman).

I personally believe this was a Joe Ellis power play as Ellis was highly involved in the hiring of both McDaniels and Xanders. I think this was him replacing all of the old Shanahan guard with "his guys". Bowlen let him do it.

If what Bowlen should have done was install Jim Goodman as VP of player personnel (Elway's current title) if let him name the GM (obviously his son, but whatevs, Jim Goodman was the key piece to keep). Then with McDaniels hired you bring in Nolan and set up an unequal power triangle with Goodman controlling players, McDaniels overseeing the whole team, but Nolan having heavy control of the defense. You sit McDaniels down from day one and explain that Goodman and Nolan are here to help him along. Goodman as a shrewd player personnel vet and Nolan as a guy who has experience with the HC role. They keep him from getting too far over his skis and it shows a strong in house power structure.

Instead we had a massive power vacuum after Shanahan left that McDaniels stepped into, which prompted Bus Cook's power play to either get Jay paid or traded.

CEH
05-18-2012, 04:52 AM
This is why Joe Ellis may be the next to go. Elway is going to get rid of the McD strench and at the top it starts with Ellis. Ellis wanted Boweln to fire Shanny a year before he did, Ellis had the final say over the McD hiring and it was him who was in the Elway position that signed off on the "Patriots" way and gave McD carte blanche

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05-18-2012, 04:57 AM
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chrisp
05-18-2012, 05:54 AM
I'm interested in this subject as I was definitely a supporter of McD to begin with. It was only over time that it became clear that things werent' working.

I think that McDaniels big problem was that he didn't have a plan B. Dictatorial/confrontational style is OK, as long as it works. If it doesn't, and you're not yet an established coach, you have to try something else. He just kept on going int he same old way, just shouting louder and being more obnoxious if things didn;t work.

Also, he should have been less of a control freak - he couldn't just let Nolan do his thing and focus on the offense, he had to tell Nolan how to do his job and try to make his mark on the defense too. Consequence was, Nolan left and the defense didn't have the same respect for the McD-puppet who replaced him. I'm sure the production woudl have dropped off anyway - I think our defense was always going to be a paper-tiger that year, but it might not have fallen so far so fast with Nolan still pulling the strings.

So, you go into your second year with the worst defense in the whole league and your complicated offense still hasn't bedded in properly. Perhaps with a stronger defense McD would have bought himself more time to get the Offense more on track.

Ultimately however, without the taping scandal McD may have survived. I honestly think that was the straw that broke the camel's back as far as Bowlen was concerned. I think he just realised that McD was the wrong type of guy for his franchise. But I also think that with canning him Bowlen also realised that he couldn't run the team properly anymore, which is why he brought Elway in before he did anything else. Bowlen has effectively handed the team over to Elway, who I think is now effectively the owner on a day to day basis now even if not legally. Bowlen trusts him 100%

oubronco
05-18-2012, 06:39 AM
As I said from the beginning "I Hate Mcdaniels"

capt. Jack
05-18-2012, 06:56 AM
He was a disgrace to the entire Broncos community! Thank goodness we have good ole' #7 running the show!

BroncoBuff
05-18-2012, 07:07 AM
Bowlen gave McDaniels the keys to the house, but McDaniels was the one who went inside and **** all over everything.

You wouldn't throw your car keys to a 12-year old kid and say "go pick me up a pack of smokes" would you? That's not such an exaggeration: Josh was raw as they come, youngest HC in the league, never done it on any level, he'd never even held a press conference. Sure, he screwed up lots of things and strictly speaking he's at fault for them ... just like that 12-year old is strictly speaking at fault for side-swiping all those parked cars. But proper organizational management would have positioned him to succeed despite himself: Out of the gate just teach your offense, that's a can't-miss confidence builder. Your input is important in every aspect, but for now Nolan's experience means he'll have autonomy, Goodman will make the final calls on personnel, and Xanders will count the beans.

Drek, your post is so right on, every word. I still doubt Ellis wants any football related duties, but that makes him even more liable for what went wrong. Business training and executive control, that means he was the guy who should've drawn lines and distributed duties in keeping with the boss's publicly stated plan.

TonyR
05-18-2012, 07:19 AM
Ah, the memories...

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11693597

WolfpackGuy
05-18-2012, 07:48 AM
I wanted the turd gone the instant I found out he wanted to trade for lifelong backup Matt Cassel.

Hell, he'd probably still be the coach if he solely concentrated on revamping the defense from day one.

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-18-2012, 08:00 AM
Jan 12th, 2009. The worst day in recent bronco history. People wondered why I was so pissed the second they said McD was hired.

http://www.joshmcdanielssucks.com/

All you need to know in the timeline.

bronco militia
05-18-2012, 08:00 AM
Uh huh.

Fact is, he went BACK to Philly to see if they would match.


Buy some beans and fart some more crap..

Hilarious!:giggle::~ohyah!:

RIP mock!

Shananahan
05-18-2012, 08:52 AM
what Bowlen should have done was install Jim Goodman as VP of player personnel (Elway's current title) if let him name the GM (obviously his son, but whatevs, Jim Goodman was the key piece to keep). Then with McDaniels hired you bring in Nolan and set up an unequal power triangle with Goodman controlling players, McDaniels overseeing the whole team, but Nolan having heavy control of the defense. You sit McDaniels down from day one and explain that Goodman and Nolan are here to help him along. Goodman as a shrewd player personnel vet and Nolan as a guy who has experience with the HC role. They keep him from getting too far over his skis and it shows a strong in house power structure.

Instead we had a massive power vacuum after Shanahan left that McDaniels stepped into, which prompted Bus Cook's power play to either get Jay paid or traded.
Agreed completely.

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-18-2012, 09:03 AM
I thought the Goodmans did not want McDaniels. They wanted Spags. Which is one reason the split was made.

baja
05-18-2012, 09:05 AM
I thought the Goodmans did not want McDaniels. They wanted Spags. Which is one reason the split was made.

All three of the top HC candidates the year McD was hired have been fired.

Drek
05-18-2012, 09:44 AM
I wanted the turd gone the instant I found out he wanted to trade for lifelong backup Matt Cassel.

Hell, he'd probably still be the coach if he solely concentrated on revamping the defense from day one.

Funny thing is, if he'd gotten Cassel he'd probably still be here.

Assume he gets basically what Chicago gave for Cutler for the package Washignton offered (replace Orton with Landry) and send a second to NE for Cassel.

He then likely drafts Orakpo at 13. Landry removes the Darcel McBath pick. Then in the 2010 draft he never trades up for Tebow and uses all those extra picks to fill bigger holes.

Chances are Cassel outplays Orton thanks to system familiarity. The Broncos probably win at least one more game in 2009 and make the playoffs. Much less likely Nolan is gone and the 2010 draft builds on that year.

Him being "late to the dance" on Cassel and not intending to dump Cutler out of the gate likely is what really did him in.

baja
05-18-2012, 09:47 AM
Funny thing is, if he'd gotten Cassel he'd probably still be here.

Assume he gets basically what Chicago gave for Cutler for the package Washignton offered (replace Orton with Landry) and send a second to NE for Cassel.

He then likely drafts Orakpo at 13. Landry removes the Darcel McBath pick. Then in the 2010 draft he never trades up for Tebow and uses all those extra picks to fill bigger holes.

Chances are Cassel outplays Orton thanks to system familiarity. The Broncos probably win at least one more game in 2009 and make the playoffs. Much less likely Nolan is gone and the 2010 draft builds on that year.

Him being "late to the dance" on Cassel and not intending to dump Cutler out of the gate likely is what really did him in.

Spy Gate II did him in. Why is that not obvious?

CEH
05-18-2012, 09:49 AM
Spy Gate II did him in. Why is that not obvious?

My thoughts exactly McD has serious leadership and moral character flaws as a human being. He would have had to win a SB fast for Bowlen to look the other way

Crushaholic
05-18-2012, 10:24 AM
Spy Gate II did him in. Why is that not obvious?

...not sure if serious...

If he actually DID spy on San Francisco, he did a VERY poor job of evaluating the 49ers game plan. That was one of the WORST games in the McD era. I tend to believe that he didn't look at the tape...

houghtam
05-18-2012, 10:29 AM
...not sure if serious...

If he actually DID spy on San Francisco, he did a VERY poor job of evaluating the 49ers game plan. That was one of the WORST games in the McD era. I tend to believe that he didn't look at the tape...

At the time I wasn't so angry about the fact that it took place, but that he hired the same guy to do the same job who got fired for the same thing in New England. Whether he looked at it or not, the decision to even have ties with that guy was yet another in a long line of poor decisions on McDaniels' part. And you can look at my posts from that era...I was one of the more vocal "give him a chance" people.

baja
05-18-2012, 10:32 AM
...not sure if serious...

If he actually DID spy on San Francisco, he did a VERY poor job of evaluating the 49ers game plan. That was one of the WORST games in the McD era. I tend to believe that he didn't look at the tape...

Look at how his firing went down. Three games left in the season he is fired right after Spy Gate II became news. Only thing that makes sense is there is more to the story that we do not know and that information got him fired.

WolfpackGuy
05-18-2012, 10:35 AM
All three of the top HC candidates the year McD was hired have been fired.

Yeah, but the Broncos were the "jewel" of the head coaching vacancies after Shanahan was fired.

The Bucs and Rams were both terrible and had a lot more problems than the Broncos had at the time.

WolfpackGuy
05-18-2012, 10:40 AM
Funny thing is, if he'd gotten Cassel he'd probably still be here.

Chances are Cassel outplays Orton thanks to system familiarity. The Broncos probably win at least one more game in 2009 and make the playoffs. Much less likely Nolan is gone and the 2010 draft builds on that year.

Him being "late to the dance" on Cassel and not intending to dump Cutler out of the gate likely is what really did him in.

Let's just say I'm glad it was the Cheaps and not the Broncos who traded for Cassel and signed him to that horrendous contract.

houghtam
05-18-2012, 10:53 AM
Look at how his firing went down. Three games left in the season he is fired right after Spy Gate II became news. Only thing that makes sense is there is more to the story that we do not know and that information got him fired.

Meh. His association with the guy after getting caught in NE should have been enough for him to get fired. If Bowlen needed "more to the story", then Bowlen is a bigger negative factor in the whole McD situation than I originally thought.

p7superfly
05-18-2012, 11:01 AM
**** HIS SOUL


Hilarious!

baja
05-18-2012, 11:06 AM
Meh. His association with the guy after getting caught in NE should have been enough for him to get fired. If Bowlen needed "more to the story", then Bowlen is a bigger negative factor in the whole McD situation than I originally thought.

My guess is Bowlen was going to fire McD after the season but the undisclosed (to us ) information concerning Spy Gate II gave Pat reason to not wait three more games in a meaningless season. Under normal circumstances the best thing for the Broncos would have been to wait until the season ended so IMO something rather important happened to change that.

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-18-2012, 11:16 AM
...not sure if serious...

If he actually DID spy on San Francisco, he did a VERY poor job of evaluating the 49ers game plan. That was one of the WORST games in the McD era. I tend to believe that he didn't look at the tape...

Singletary scripted his first 15 plays. If you watch that game you can see how well the niners were being stopped in the 1st half. When Singletary finished his plays he improvised and thats when they won the game.

CEH
05-18-2012, 11:19 AM
Singletary scripted his first 15 plays. If you watch that game you can see how well the niners were being stopped in the 1st half. When Singletary finished his plays he improvised and thats when they won the game.

That and having two TDs called back on penalty. IIRC

Drek
05-18-2012, 11:22 AM
Let's just say I'm glad it was the Cheaps and not the Broncos who traded for Cassel and signed him to that horrendous contract.

Sure. But if McDaniels had anything more than lukewarm interest in Cassel he probably would have gotten him, probably would have done better than 8-8 that first season, and probably would have done enough early on to stay off the hot seat for at least another year or two.

We'd also have Matt Cassel on that horrendous contract, further cementing McDaniels in because Cassel works within McDaniels' system, so if you have to pay Cassel you want McDaniels to coach him.

All I'm saying is that we dodged a bullet by McDaniels initially wanting to work with Cutler and not coming in with 100% conviction to acquire Cassel.

That to me also underscores the fact that when McDaniels first started here he was open and receptive to working with people. The players didn't tune McDaniels out for basically the entire first season. It wasn't until year two that he lost the locker room.

Which again goes back to the situation he was put in. He was given every bit of power and responsibility that Shanahan had and Shanahan was failing with despite Mike being a proven HoF level HC with an established system.

McDaniels being a controlling, irrational, "my way our the highway" type only materialized after being thrust into that role. Before then he took a coaching position advertised as strictly coaching with Jim Goodman playing a larger role and once he took the job he then hired someone in Nolan who could be given carte blanche with the defense, despite that guy having just been a HC and the ideal "iterim HC" type if McDaniels did flame out. He made moves like a guy receptive to a shared power structure. Then he was given all the power and got drunk on it.

Yeah, but the Broncos were the "jewel" of the head coaching vacancies after Shanahan was fired.

The Bucs and Rams were both terrible and had a lot more problems than the Broncos had at the time.
Funny that the "jewel" of head coaching vacancies paid less than the Rams. McDaniels and Spags both took four year deals. McDaniels paid $8M, Spagnuolo's paid $11.5M. So not quite 50% more.

Also, our current HC is making between $3M-$3.5M (not much more than Spags got for his first HC job, and Fox has been to a SB). His DC is making about $5M per from his old team. Just to put Bowlen's post-Shanahan coaching budget into perspective.

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-18-2012, 11:27 AM
After a loss a reporter saw McDaniels With a backpack on scrummaging through the leftover pizza boxes looking for a slice. That was the mentality back then.

If McD had stayed there's no doubt in my mind champ would've been long gone.

BroncoBuff
05-18-2012, 12:05 PM
Spy Gate II did him in. Why is that not obvious?

By my count London was Spy Gate III. Remember several Eagles - Brian Dawkins included - publicly aired suspicions Patriots might've been stealing their defensive signals in that Super Bowl. Couple indicia of reliability for this: 1) that Super Bowl and questions pre-date Spygate and London, and 2) Josh would've been square in the epicenter for that one, too. He called the plays for the '05 Pats, therefore must've been in the loop if there was one.

I like stealing signals in baseball, what's the problem here? Of course closed practices are inviolable, no exceptions, but steal 'em if you can. Then if you know the other guy's stealing, cross 'em up ... a "Midway's freshwater generator is down" kind of thing.


Here's something I don't recall ... anybody remember this?
SI 2002: "Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game," says Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. "With any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter."
http://www.secsportsfan.com/naive-cowboys-and-broncos-stole-signals-too.html#ixzz1vFRuZ9s9

Beantown Bronco
05-18-2012, 12:16 PM
<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset" class=alt2>SI 2002: "Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game," says Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. "With any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter." </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

http://www.secsportsfan.com/naive-co...#ixzz1vFRuZ9s9

Odd, considering back then we tended to start out games so well, often scoring most of our points in the first half. And then we'd do basically nothing offensively for the rest of the game. So much for a signal advantage.

houghtam
05-18-2012, 12:32 PM
<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset" class=alt2>SI 2002: "Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game," says Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. "With any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter." </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

http://www.secsportsfan.com/naive-co...#ixzz1vFRuZ9s9

Odd, considering back then we tended to start out games so well, often scoring most of our points in the first half. And then we'd do basically nothing offensively for the rest of the game. So much for a signal advantage.

My theory is they had a wayback machine.

In Reality 1, they tape the signals in the first half, make their regular halftime adjustments, and play the rest of the game normally. Then they would get in their wayback machine, go tell Past Themselves in Reality 2 the signals, and then they would destroy the other teams in the first half, and then let off the gas in the second half to avoid suspicion. I would get confused by week 3, personally.

Did anyone ever see that movie Primer?

Beantown Bronco
05-18-2012, 12:36 PM
Did anyone ever see that movie Primer?

No, never heard of it. Just imdb'd it and I'm intrigued. Check out these numbers:

Budget:$7,000 (estimated)
Opening Weekend:$28,162 (USA) (10 October 2004) (4 Screens)
Gross:$424,760 (USA) (19 December 2004)

Now THAT'S a return on an investment.

houghtam
05-18-2012, 12:39 PM
No, never heard of it. Just imdb'd it and I'm intrigued. Check out these numbers:

Budget:$7,000 (estimated)
Opening Weekend:$28,162 (USA) (10 October 2004) (4 Screens)
Gross:$424,760 (USA) (19 December 2004)

Now THAT'S a return on an investment.

Yeah, it was a very interesting movie, and to someone who knows nothing about quantum physics, it seemed believable enough to get me thinking "what would happen if..."

I would recommend it, especially because it's a time-efficient investment at about 70 minutes in length. :)

bronco militia
05-18-2012, 01:01 PM
All three of the top HC candidates the year McD was hired have been fired.

only 2 remain of the 11 coaches hired in 2009 :

Schwartz and Ryan

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/02/10/coaching/index.html

baja
05-18-2012, 01:13 PM
only 2 remain of the 11 coaches hired in 2009 :

Schwartz and Ryan

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/02/10/coaching/index.html

Wow. I wonder if that is an anomaly

bronco militia
05-18-2012, 01:15 PM
Wow. I wonder if that is an anomaly

I think having 11 vacancies is the anomaly

Powderaddict
05-18-2012, 01:23 PM
Yeah, it was a very interesting movie, and to someone who knows nothing about quantum physics, it seemed believable enough to get me thinking "what would happen if..."

I would recommend it, especially because it's a time-efficient investment at about 70 minutes in length. :)

no, it's about 140 min investment, because you have to watch it twice :P

It's a good movie though, I really enjoyed it.

And Screw Josh McDaniels

Shananahan
05-18-2012, 01:45 PM
Primer's great.

houghtam
05-18-2012, 01:51 PM
no, it's about 140 min investment, because you have to watch it twice :P

It's a good movie though, I really enjoyed it.

And Screw Josh McDaniels

Classic.

REP.

baja
05-18-2012, 03:44 PM
I think having 11 vacancies is the anomaly

Yes I agree but it seems an even greater anomaly that 9 of the 11didnt last 3 seasons.

DBroncos4life
05-18-2012, 04:31 PM
only 2 remain of the 11 coaches hired in 2009 :

Schwartz and Ryan

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/02/10/coaching/index.html

Yeah but only McD was fired TWICE in that span.

KipCorrington25
05-18-2012, 05:31 PM
I pretty much knew we were in trouble by his second day here when he ran a very popular guy who never made a mistake Mike Leach out of town to bring in a NE guy who was older and at twice the price.

I remember thinking, wait, is this moron going to run all our talent out just to bring in his own guys who are worse? And then thought, nah, nobody is THAT stupid... ah to be so naive again...

OrangeSe7en
05-18-2012, 05:33 PM
to all the McD haters, can you honestly look at what this team has accomplished in 11 games, after THAT offseason and not say to yourself that we have a pretty dam good head coach in Mcd.


Look at all the rest of the rookie head coaches, Mcd as a head coach has blown me away. Most were calling out a 3-13 record during the offseason. We are presently in the playoff race and look like a team with a new attitude (hard nosed physical football).



Already we have three classic moments this season (Bmarsh TD vs DAL, the holy stokely, just win the Mother%&%& game) If anything we should all atleast give Mcd some respect for that.



And just think that scene of Mcd pumping his fist into the crowd after a big win over NE could of easily been replaced with a certain baby batting microphones away and moping on the sideline's after losing the game for his team.

Ouch! LOL

Archer81
05-18-2012, 06:00 PM
Hmmm...I smell JHNS...

:Broncos:

ohiobronco2
05-18-2012, 06:00 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/58sP8azcHfQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

My thoughts on McDaniels

DBroncos4life
05-18-2012, 06:02 PM
Hmmm...I smell JHNS...

:Broncos:

I would smell someone else....

Archer81
05-18-2012, 06:03 PM
I would smell someone else....


Curious and curiouser...


:Broncos:

DBroncos4life
05-18-2012, 06:15 PM
Curious and curiouser...


:Broncos:

I'm not sure what to say now :P

Drunken.Broncoholic
05-18-2012, 07:16 PM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CF0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbangcartoon.com%2F2010%2Fhorse_ap ples.htm&ei=3wG3T7ioMMquiAL6lo34Bg&usg=AFQjCNHVOVPRCUK4okp-7zc4SguhygmNRA


Bowlen and McDs relationship.

broncocalijohn
05-18-2012, 09:48 PM
I pretty much knew we were in trouble by his second day here when he ran a very popular guy who never made a mistake Mike Leach out of town to bring in a NE guy who was older and at twice the price.

I remember thinking, wait, is this moron going to run all our talent out just to bring in his own guys who are worse? And then thought, nah, nobody is THAT stupid... ah to be so naive again...

I am not sure if it was the second day but while backing Josh to start, that bothered me by paying Paxton way over the top money and kick out a guy that has been loyal to the Broncos in Mike Leach.

Missouribronc
05-18-2012, 09:50 PM
I ****ing love McDaniels.

Watching the online community have a collective coronary was hilarious. It's a game folks, relax...

baja
05-18-2012, 10:11 PM
I ****ing love McDaniels.

Watching the online community have a collective coronary was hilarious. It's a game folks, relax...

So can I assume you do not cry like a baby when you see the helicopter play???

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
05-18-2012, 10:24 PM
"If my chest were a cannon. I would shot my heart upon it great white hump."

Drek
05-19-2012, 03:19 AM
I pretty much knew we were in trouble by his second day here when he ran a very popular guy who never made a mistake Mike Leach out of town to bring in a NE guy who was older and at twice the price.

I remember thinking, wait, is this moron going to run all our talent out just to bring in his own guys who are worse? And then thought, nah, nobody is THAT stupid... ah to be so naive again...

1. Lonnie Paxton is two years younger than Mike Leach.

2. Mike Leach's service time required a vet minimum of about $850K. Lonnie Paxton's deal paid him just over $1M per year. So by "double" you mean about $200K, which is less than the league minimum for all but players in their first handful of seasons.

onbohio
05-19-2012, 07:09 AM
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Thank you. That was awesome. Hilarious!

Die Mcd.

CEH
05-19-2012, 10:04 AM
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This was genuis.

I remember Josh his first week in Denver telling reporters the '08 offense was ranked #3 in turnovers. Which would have been fine if true but we were #11in turnovers. I think its ironic he was in media shutdown mode ala NE but found time to wrongly throw the offense led by Culter under the bus

KipCorrington25
05-19-2012, 12:46 PM
1. Lonnie Paxton is two years younger than Mike Leach.

2. Mike Leach's service time required a vet minimum of about $850K. Lonnie Paxton's deal paid him just over $1M per year. So by "double" you mean about $200K, which is less than the league minimum for all but players in their first handful of seasons.

Oh, opps, I still hate McDaniels though. Hilarious!

BroncoBuff
05-19-2012, 02:51 PM
Those might be the first words of support/defense of Paxton ever on the Mane.