How many people here think GM will ever pull out of this funk?

[Bob]

Just wondering how many Americans (with money and jobs) are pissed they took government money and gave into to unions with unreasonable pensions, and screwed over teachers in Indiana? I won’t buy a GM again; I doubt I am the only one here. When I buy new again, it will be a Ford -- sad that my list of options is getting smaller every year...

[Garcia Bronco]

I never would have owned one prior to the thieving.

[orinjkrush]

when we took over GM and Chrysler we should have started a "Manhattan Project" for affordable alternative energy cars.

frick the Saudis. and their camels.

[spdirty]

Always have been a Ford guy, always will be.

[ghwk]

Just wondering how many Americans (with money and jobs) are pissed they took government money and gave into to unions with unreasonable pensions, and screwed over teachers in Indiana? I won’t buy a GM again; I doubt I am the only one here. When I buy new again, it will be a Ford -- sad that my list of options is getting smaller every year...

Just remember Management signed every agreement with the union, it didn't happen just because the union wanted it. That having been said they are too big to fail, unfortunately. If I thought it really mattered whether I bought Ford, GM, Chevy as far as where the parts are manufactured and jobs protected I might. But I don't so I own a Honda and an Acura and haven't paid a dime in maintenance. Haven't supported the union or mgmt that way either.

[loborugger]

Oh, they will pull out. Just like Amtrak - also too big to fail - did. It will cost all of us for GM to exist. And with government intervention, it should be fun to watch. Ever see that episode of The Simpsons where Homer met his long lost brother Herb who ran an auto company and Herb decided to turn the design over to Homer? Dont be surprised if govt intervention in GM doesnt turn out similar.

[Meck77]

If you recall when Obama took over GM they ran the previous CEO out.

Well just 8 months later Obama's new boy just called it quits.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091201/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gm_ceo_resigns

The American people were ****ed over big time with this scam.

[Rohirrim]

Chevy sucks.

[Meck77]

So does Obama. I really don't think the fool has a chance of getting elected again. Does anybody else?

[peacepipe]

I only buy american, i have never & will never buy a car that isn't made by GM,Chrysler,ford, etc. I do my best to buy products that support american workers, especially if its union made. I've never had any problems maintenance wise with any of my cars.

[peacepipe]

So does Obama. I really don't think the fool has a chance of getting elected again. Does anybody else?

To be synical, yes, if GWB can get re-elected, you damn well better believe Obama will get re-elected.

[Meck77]

I've never had any problems maintenance wise with any of my cars.

Would you be so kind to let us know which make and models that you've never had a maintenance issue with. Thanks.

[Rohirrim]

Would you be so kind to let us know which make and models that you've never had a maintenance issue with. Thanks.

He means Toyota. ;D

[Beantown Bronco]

I only buy american,


i have never & will never buy a car that isn't made by GM,Chrysler,ford, etc.

Hate to break it to you, but those two statements contradict each other.

[peacepipe]

Hate to break it to you, but those two statements contradict each other.

How about union made/put together by chrysler,ford, etc.

[Beantown Bronco]

How about union made/put together by chrysler,ford, etc.

If you're counting all the models that have been assembled in Mexico or Canada. I guess technically you can call that (North) American.

[bronclvr]

I only buy american, i have never & will never buy a car that isn't made by GM,Chrysler,ford, etc. I do my best to buy products that support american workers, especially if its union made. I've never had any problems maintenance wise with any of my cars.

+1 :thumbs:

There isn't a Vehicle made that doesn't have some type of problem, but it doesn't mean everybody has that problem. I gave my Son a 2000 Yukon that I had driven for 200,000 miles, that only had one problem during that time (a clogged MAP Sensor)-he has driven it 48,000 more Miles (for those of you who are mathematically challenged, that means it has 248,000 Miles)-he was pulling a big Trailer with it, and the Transmission finally gave away at 240,000-I got into it the other day and rode with him, and it drives as nice and quiet and solid as it did when I bought it-as a matter of fact, I miss it, and still like it more than my new Z71 Pickup-

I, too, will only buy from an American Company-if we lose our Global dominance I will sleep at night-

[Florida_Bronco]

GM will be fine in the long run. The quality of their vehicles has improved substantially over the last few years and it'll take some time before the public catches up to that.

That said, give me a Ford anytime.

[Garcia Bronco]

I only buy american, i have never & will never buy a car that isn't made by GM,Chrysler,ford, etc. I do my best to buy products that support american workers, especially if its union made. I've never had any problems maintenance wise with any of my cars.

My particular type of Toyota was made in Japan...literally, but most foreign automakers make the **** here in the states and the parts come from all over the world no matter where and what you buy. I appreciate the effort, but I don't think you really get the intended results.

[Bob]

If you recall when Obama took over GM they ran the previous CEO out.

Well just 8 months later Obama's new boy just called it quits.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091201/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gm_ceo_resigns

The American people were ****ed over big time with this scam.

I remember well, if that was not a sign of government run amok, I dont know what is...

[Bob]

So does Obama. I really don't think the fool has a chance of getting elected again. Does anybody else?

It depends on so many factors, one of which, is finding somone would be better, and have the resources to run against him. There is no point in replacing one progressive with another progressive light traitor -- many of the front runners on the right (right now) have used government very actively in the attempt to solve social problems -- I put Romney, Huckabee and McCain in this group. I am not sure if there is much point in slowing down the train to hell, if there is no possibility of reversing its course with progressive light.

If Ron Paul could be merged with Romney's economic knowledge, and Sarah's star-power, and accessibility then we might save our country -- until then small government folks need to keep looking and vote based on principles.

[Bob]

+1 :thumbs:

There isn't a Vehicle made that doesn't have some type of problem, but it doesn't mean everybody has that problem. I gave my Son a 2000 Yukon that I had driven for 200,000 miles, that only had one problem during that time (a clogged MAP Sensor)-he has driven it 48,000 more Miles (for those of you who are mathematically challenged, that means it has 248,000 Miles)-he was pulling a big Trailer with it, and the Transmission finally gave away at 240,000-I got into it the other day and rode with him, and it drives as nice and quiet and solid as it did when I bought it-as a matter of fact, I miss it, and still like it more than my new Z71 Pickup-

I, too, will only buy from an American Company-if we lose our Global dominance I will sleep at night-

Me too, I know many parts are made elsewhere, but if everyone attempted to do what I do, I think more money would stay in circulation here, and more companies would think twice about shipping production elsewhere, if companies knew that was also a factor in consumer habits. In Japan, many folks buy food grown there, and other products for National pride's sake -- I dont blame them, self interest can be a good thing. I attempt the same thing with food and other products as well, even if it costs more...

People can choose for themselves, but all things considered, it is a net positive to buy American when one can...

[peacepipe]

My particular type of Toyota was made in Japan...literally, but most foreign automakers make the **** here in the states and the parts come from all over the world no matter where and what you buy. I appreciate the effort, but I don't think you really get the intended results.I know parts are made elsewhere but are assembled here in the U.S. I alone may not make a big differance,but that's no excuse for not buying ford or GM. I buy union made boots,beer,clothes if possible. but mostly if it's made here whenever possible.

[gyldenlove]

My particular type of Toyota was made in Japan...literally, but most foreign automakers make the **** here in the states and the parts come from all over the world no matter where and what you buy. I appreciate the effort, but I don't think you really get the intended results.

There was a list published not too long ago with the 10 models of cars where most of the work and parts were produced and assembled in the US, Toyota placed 3 cars, as did Ford, Chrysler didn't place a single car in the top 10, GM had 4.

1. Ford F150
2. Toyota Camry/Solara
3. Chevy Silverado
4. Chevy Cobalt (I am assuming Pontiac G5 is included here)
5. Ford Focus
6. Toyota Sienna
7. Chevy Malibu
8. Pontiac G6
9. Ford Escape
10. Toyota Tundra

Chrysler long since stopped being an American company.

[Rigs11]

So does Obama. I really don't think the fool has a chance of getting elected again. Does anybody else?

good god give it up already. there are countless threads about how much you hate obama.stick to those.

[Bronco Bob]

He means Toyota. ;D

Other than being so poorly designed that the accelerator pedal gets stuck
in the carpet causing the car to crash?

[Beantown Bronco]

Other than being so poorly designed that the accelerator pedal gets stuck
in the carpet causing the car to crash?

All because of one idiot that doesn't know how to clip down a freaking floor mat. I'm still shocked at the company's reaction to this one, as a full recall doesn't seem necessary to me.

I have one of the affected models in this recall and no matter what I do, there's no possible way I could replicate the act that would cause this problem. It's the exact same design as every other floor mat/clip combo in any car I've ever been inside.

[Dukes]

I wouldn't have bought a Chevy before, although their quality has gotten much better in recent years.

[gyldenlove]

All because of one idiot that doesn't know how to clip down a freaking floor mat. I'm still shocked at the company's reaction to this one, as a full recall doesn't seem necessary to me.

I have one of the affected models in this recall and no matter what I do, there's no possible way I could replicate the act that would cause this problem. It's the exact same design as every other floor mat/clip combo in any car I've ever been inside.

Or how to engage neutral. This could absolutely only happen to a bad driver, he had time to cook his breaks and call 911 six times but he couldn't figure out to put the car in neutral, put it at the side of the road and cut the engine.

[peacepipe]

Or how to engage neutral. This could absolutely only happen to a bad driver, he had time to cook his breaks and call 911 six times but he couldn't figure out to put the car in neutral, put it at the side of the road and cut the engine.

I guess the lesson to be learned from this is not to buy Toyota. Even a good driver has to think why buy a car that from time to time you might have to put in nuetral & put on the side of the road.

[Garcia Bronco]

you might have to put in nuetral & put on the side of the road.

BEcause you know that...you are smarter than 90 percent of the driving public.

[Beantown Bronco]

I guess the lesson to be learned from this is not to buy Toyota. Even a good driver has to think why buy a car that from time to time you might have to put in nuetral & put on the side of the road.

4 million vehicles on the road.....one such problem. Talk about an "American-made car" wet dream.

[Rohirrim]

Other than being so poorly designed that the accelerator pedal gets stuck
in the carpet causing the car to crash?

That just creates driving excitement.

[Bronco Bob]

All because of one idiot that doesn't know how to clip down a freaking floor mat.

Where did you get the idea this only happened to one person?
There are more than 2100 reported instances of Toyota sudden acceleration.

There are other people claiming it's the engine control computer
that is causing the problem. The say the engine raced out
of control without the accelerator pedal even being stuck,
that the electronics in these cars are faulty, and that Toyota
is fixating on the accelerator pedal because they don't
want to have to go through the enormous expense of
putting new computers in these cars. I mean, which
is cheaper, cutting the bottom off an accelerator pedal
or replacing the engine electronics.

http://kansascity.injuryboard.com/automobile-accidents/toyota-denied-customer-complaints-on-sudden-acceleration-problem-for-more-than-5-years.aspx?googleid=274028

[gyldenlove]

Where did you get the idea this only happened to one person?
There are more than 2100 reported instances of Toyota sudden acceleration.

There are other people claiming it's the engine control computer
that is causing the problem. The say the engine raced out
of control without the accelerator pedal even being stuck,
that the electronics in these cars are faulty, and that Toyota
is fixating on the accelerator pedal because they don't
want to have to go through the enormous expense of
putting new computers in these cars. I mean, which
is cheaper, cutting the bottom off an accelerator pedal
or replacing the engine electronics.

http://kansascity.injuryboard.com/automobile-accidents/toyota-denied-customer-complaints-on-sudden-acceleration-problem-for-more-than-5-years.aspx?googleid=274028

I guess that is why you shouldn't buy American made cars, this problem doesn't exist in Toyotas sold in Europe.

[peacepipe]

I guess that is why you shouldn't buy American made cars, this problem doesn't exist in Toyotas sold in Europe. not ones that carry a foriegn name like toyota.

[peacepipe]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/4375689/Toyota-recall-after-safety-belt-scare.html
More than 43,000 Toyotas in Britain have been recalled after a defect which could cause a fire was discovered
The move involves all Yaris models built in 2006 and 2007 and is part of a global recall involving 1.3 million cars across the world

[Bronco Yoda]

My wife loves her Durango Limited. I have to admit that Hemi has some balls. Just wish it was built better. Too many little problems already for a new car.

[gyldenlove]

My wife loves her Durango Limited. I have to admit that Hemi has some balls. Just wish it was built better. Too many little problems already for a new car.

That bugs me, I like the look and sound of the new Challenger, but you just know you will be stopping to pick up things that fell off as soon as you drive it away from the dealership lot.

[The Lone Bolt]

when we took over GM and Chrysler we should have started a "Manhattan Project" for affordable alternative energy cars.

frick the Saudis. and their camels.

You mean like this one?

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[watermock]

Those Toyotas have had stuck pedals since '86.

The gas pedal gets stuck on the mat when it's bunched up.

Damn near wrecked me more than once before I just ditched the mat in my stolen demo....long story...

[watermock]

Chrysler is done.

Their 2500's with a cummins and allison are strong tho.

Other than the drive train tho, junk.

[The Lone Bolt]

Chrysler is done.

Their 2500's with a cummins and allison are strong tho.

Other than the drive train tho, junk.

I hope not. I drive a PT Cruiser.;)

[watermock]

You know that is on a Neon chassis right?

[Meck77]

Mock have you ever watched any you tube clips of Dave's Farm? http://www.youtube.com/user/Davidsfarm

I could see you doing some of this stuff.

[watermock]

good stuff, more like the stuff my brother dave did tho.