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BigPlayShay
11-26-2009, 11:52 PM
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Beantown Bronco
11-26-2009, 11:55 PM
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Bronx33
11-26-2009, 11:57 PM
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=SACKS&season=2009&seasonType=REG

Popps
11-27-2009, 12:05 AM
Sweet.

Dumervil needed to show up big tonight, and he did. That's exactly what you need from your impact players.

We need another impact front 7 guy to emerge. Maybe it'll be Ayers, or maybe we'll sign/draft more help next year. But, we've got a damned solid core to build around.

Bronco Warrior
11-27-2009, 12:28 AM
At the risk of an idiot getting all trollish for being agreed with.... Popps is right on the money! lol! I think DJ Williams is an impact player but we could sure use another guy that ios as dominant as Doom!

And yes the core of the Front 7 is solid!

SouthStndJunkie
11-27-2009, 12:41 AM
2 more sacks and Dumervil will tie Simon Fletcher's single season team record of 16 sacks.

We are going to have to pay him like the top 3-4 OLBs in the game are currently being paid.

See what James Harrison and DeMarcus Ware are being paid and we will be in the ball park....probably a little less than those guys....but not much less.

In the 3-4....the pass rushing OLBs are the ones that make the big bucks.

Sacks = cash

Dumervil deserves to get paid....he is the consummate team player....plays hard every down, makes plays, never complains, and he stays out of trouble. Not one peep or complaint out of him about getting a new deal.

56 games played and 40 career sacks.

14 sacks in 11 games in his first year at 3-4 OLB.

He deserves to get paid at the end of the season....the longer we wait, the more money he will command.

enjolras
11-27-2009, 02:15 AM
Ayers continued to show really positive signs tonight. Drew one of the biggest holds you'll ever see... I thought he played well really.

Blart
11-27-2009, 02:19 AM
Does the sack count when he forced the Eli fumble?

TheReverend
11-27-2009, 03:05 AM
Does the sack count when he forced the Eli fumble?

Yes

Bronco Yoda
11-27-2009, 03:33 AM
I'm almost cringing now when he's the one making a sack now. Almost wishing it was someone else on the line. I hope we can afford him come contract time. I really don't want us to let him go. I hope we pay him to stay.

chrisp
11-27-2009, 04:13 AM
Dumervil has clearly got some pride having played with a chip on his shoulder due to the height thing, soI have a good feeling that he's not the kind of guy who would suddenly drop off in production once he got paid. He's also shown that he can make plays when it counts like all the great players do, which means that even if he never matches this season's output again he'll still be a major asset. All reasons why I'm comfortable with the idea of giving him a big-money contract. He's worth it.

BowlenBall
11-27-2009, 08:03 AM
Great player.

Great person.

I don't care what it takes -- they need to pay the man, so he can retire a Bronco. I love me some Dumervil.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-27-2009, 08:08 AM
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cutthemdown
11-27-2009, 08:29 AM
Doom=must sign, have to sign, god please don't let him go

Kuper= I'd really like to see him stay, good solid football player

Marshall= I really want him to stay, but if we got some high picks I could live with him leaving. Wow though he is a special player, but unpredictable.

Still the are all just RFA right? Not easy to sign those guys.

cutthemdown
11-27-2009, 08:31 AM
Dumervil has clearly got some pride having played with a chip on his shoulder due to the height thing, soI have a good feeling that he's not the kind of guy who would suddenly drop off in production once he got paid. He's also shown that he can make plays when it counts like all the great players do, which means that even if he never matches this season's output again he'll still be a major asset. All reasons why I'm comfortable with the idea of giving him a big-money contract. He's worth it.

IMO what is funny is the fact Dumerville could actually make the short pass rusher really come in vouge. There are a couple others in the NFL also built low doing well.

Doom is just so low as he comes around the edge it's like trying to block the crown of his helmet. There is just nowhere for the olineman to grab or push. It's almost funny sometimes because you just imagine how frustrating it must be to try and get down to his level when you are 6-3 6-4 6-5 etc etc.

He's like an OOMPA LOOMPA from hell.

Dedhed
11-27-2009, 08:53 AM
Doom should be our #1 signing priority in the off-season, and we should lock him up for as long as possible. The rest of the front 7 are solid role players that would be relatively easy to replace (save, maybe DJ). Doom is a special sort of player, and not a playa. You can't replace him.

gyldenlove
11-27-2009, 09:03 AM
I loved the last sack he had on Manning, he took Diehl to school on that one, that was 100% pure pass rush ability against the LT no less - that is what great pass rushers do.

ghwk
11-27-2009, 09:22 AM
Doom really benefits from the scheme, he'd be a fool to leave it. That having been said that one play where Vonnie Holliday took up 3 O-lineman and allowed DJ to com in free on Eli was sweet.

Cito Pelon
11-27-2009, 09:37 AM
Elvis (and Marshall) may want to at least test FA. He won't be UFA right away, but at some point he may want to play in a different town. Players like Elvis and Marshall will certainly have some customers unless Denver really makes a super-sweet long-term offer.

bronco610
11-27-2009, 09:43 AM
IMO what is funny is the fact Dumerville could actually make the short pass rusher really come in vouge. There are a couple others in the NFL also built low doing well.

Doom is just so low as he comes around the edge it's like trying to block the crown of his helmet. There is just nowhere for the olineman to grab or push. It's almost funny sometimes because you just imagine how frustrating it must be to try and get down to his level when you are 6-3 6-4 6-5 etc etc.

He's like an OOMPA LOOMPA from hell.

Hilarious!

broncofan2438
11-27-2009, 10:01 AM
Doom is a beast and we better sign him for years.

Thanks for the sacks Doom, keep them coming

crawdad
11-27-2009, 10:07 AM
Elvis must stay in the house! He is a great football player. We really need to re-sign Marshall. That guy is a beast! His catches last night were outstanding.

baja
11-27-2009, 10:09 AM
At the risk of an idiot getting all trollish for being agreed with.... Popps is right on the money! lol! I think DJ Williams is an impact player but we could sure use another guy that ios as dominant as Doom!

And yes the core of the Front 7 is solid!

Did you just call popps a troll? Dude you have made yourself way to comfortable around here, you might do a search on your name and see who we think the troll around here is. Here let me save you some time, it's you.

barryr
11-27-2009, 11:27 AM
As I have stated many times, I have no doubt the Broncos are not done working on improving the front seven and the DL in particular. It usually takes more than one offseason to get all the kind of players you want, especially when you inherit such a mess. Keeping Dumervil is obviously an important thing to do and getting a couple more DL than can make more plays would be great. Hopefully Ayers keeps developing and be another pass rusher or else getting another one is important too.

rastaman
11-27-2009, 02:37 PM
I'm almost cringing now when he's the one making a sack now. Almost wishing it was someone else on the line. I hope we can afford him come contract time. I really don't want us to let him go. I hope we pay him to stay.

Question is will Bowlen open up his wallet to keep both Dumerville and Marshall?

bronco militia
12-02-2009, 03:19 PM
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Borks147
12-02-2009, 03:45 PM
Question is will Bowlen open up his wallet to keep both Dumerville and Marshall?

Is that even a question? Bowlen is not a penny pincher, never has been, probably never will be. If his coaches say players are worth it, he'll pay. Who knows, hopefully Shanny signs somewhere so those 7M can go to Doom's contract.

Smiling Assassin27
12-02-2009, 03:54 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=25621&stc=1&d=1259304762

So THAT'S where Travis Henry's litter settled down...

oubronco
12-02-2009, 04:19 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=25621&stc=1&d=1259304762

So THAT'S where Travis Henry's litter settled down...

:spit: :spit: :spit:

Drek
12-02-2009, 04:45 PM
Elvis (and Marshall) may want to at least test FA. He won't be UFA right away, but at some point he may want to play in a different town. Players like Elvis and Marshall will certainly have some customers unless Denver really makes a super-sweet long-term offer.

This is the NFL, not MLB. Guys don't "test FA" if they're getting a close to market value deal from their current club. This is for many reasons:
1. to test FA they must play out their contracts. In MLB that isn't a huge risk unless you're a power pitcher with a funky motion. In the NFL your career is a game to game thing.

2. football is 100% a team game. Moving from one team to another as often as not results in the player becoming far less productive. This is a matter of pride for many players, and leads directly into reason number 3.

3. non-guaranteed contracts. If you drop off you get dumped. If you're a FA merc getting paid top dollar you're first to get the axe when you under perform. At least a long time team will feel a bit more loyalty and remember the good times before they cut you, potentially giving you an extra season or two of good money.

Doom is going to command a deal like what Harrison got last spring, but a bit more guaranteed money to sweeten the pot. That was 6 years, $51M, with $20M guaranteed. You offer 6 years, $51-$55M with $22-$25M guarnateed and Doom signs before FA opens.

If you wait until FA opens you probably add an extra million or two minimum on per year, and another 25% to the guaranteed figure, because those are the offers he'll be hearing from teams looking to poison pill us. I think most of those teams will get cold feet before consummating a deal that costs them those kinds of picks, but when he knows exactly the dollars teams are thinking should he be a UFA in one season it'll get real tricky to get him locked up long term for significantly less.

Same applies to Marshall. If you can get him to take Roddy White's contract with some protections for off-field behavior you do it before FA opens and be happy with it.

SouthStndJunkie
12-02-2009, 10:46 PM
Denver faces dilemma on Dumervil

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/02/denver-faces-dilemma-on-dumervil/

Posted by Mike Florio on December 2, 2009 11:42 PM ET

The NFL's sack leader plays for the Denver Broncos.

Whether he still plays there in 2010 remains to be seen.

Dumervil's rookie contract expires after the 2009 season. Without a new labor deal, however, he won't be eligible for unrestricted free agency.

So the Broncos can squat on his rights via a restricted free agency tender, which will entail a non-guaranteed salary far lower than the $10 million or so guaranteed that the franchise tender for defensive ends would entail.

But will even the highest possible tender offer keep teams away from Dumervil? The Vikings surely don't regret giving up a first-round pick and a third-round pick for Jared Allen -- and that's the exact price an interested team would have to pay for pilfering Dumervil.

He has 40 sacks in five games short of four seasons. In comparison, Texans defensive end Mario Williams -- the first pick in the 2006 draft -- has 35.5 career sacks in the same span.

So the Broncos might have to use the franchise tag to ensure that Dumervil stays put.

Or they can pay him.

The Broncos have two other key players who will be restricted free agents in 2010 absent a new labor deal -- receiver Brandon Marshall and quarterback Kyle Orton.

So with his push for a new deal really heating up, we've got one piece of advice for Dumervil when the Broncos head to Denver for a game on December 27.

Resist the urge to stomp on Mike Vick's leg.

BroncoMan4ever
12-03-2009, 01:09 AM
2 more sacks and Dumervil will tie Simon Fletcher's single season team record of 16 sacks.

We are going to have to pay him like the top 3-4 OLBs in the game are currently being paid.

See what James Harrison and DeMarcus Ware are being paid and we will be in the ball park....probably a little less than those guys....but not much less.

In the 3-4....the pass rushing OLBs are the ones that make the big bucks.

Sacks = cash

Dumervil deserves to get paid....he is the consummate team player....plays hard every down, makes plays, never complains, and he stays out of trouble. Not one peep or complaint out of him about getting a new deal.

56 games played and 40 career sacks.

14 sacks in 11 games in his first year at 3-4 OLB.

He deserves to get paid at the end of the season....the longer we wait, the more money he will command.

aren't pass rushing 3-4 OLB contracts worth less than those of 4-3 pass rushing DEs?

because if they are, I worry that Doom may want to be paid like a 4-3 DE. he has shown he has shown that ability that he can rush from the line and from the OLB position which gives him leverage in contract negotiations.

BroncoMan4ever
12-03-2009, 01:12 AM
The Broncos have two other key players who will be restricted free agents in 2010 absent a new labor deal -- receiver Brandon Marshall and quarterback Kyle Orton.



3 other key RFA that need to be re-signed. Marshall, Orton, Kuper and Doom.

BigPlayShay
12-06-2009, 03:51 PM
Another resident has moved in

snowspot66
12-06-2009, 03:57 PM
I don't know why everybody is worried about signing them. No salary cap this year. We'll sign them. If we don't it won't be for money reasons. It will be because we don't want them.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 03:58 PM
Doom is an example of what happens when a position evolves.

Tackles have gotten much bigger in this generation. Most teams like them to be over 6'4". Then here comes Dumervil and he's too tight a package to handle for those big guys.

Bronco Yoda
12-07-2009, 01:02 AM
What a season he's having! Just awesome.

Doggcow
12-07-2009, 02:00 AM
I personally think it would be funnier if it said Dumerville or Doomerville (Word play!)

UberBroncoMan
12-07-2009, 02:02 AM
Question is will Bowlen open up his wallet to keep both Dumerville and Marshall?

He fired Shanahan (while still paying him) and then signed McDaniels for a not so cheap sum.

He'll pay what it takes to win.

What a lot of people should be worried about is what happens after Bowlen. He's getting up their in years and none of his kids give a **** about the Denver Broncos... well maybe getting money from when the team is sold after Bowlen dies... but that's about it.