Is It Wrong??

[Hogan11]

I found these discussions on another forum and thought them to be pretty interesting, so without further ado, Moral questions for our time:

#1. A man becomes romantically & sexually involved with a woman who's married but seperated. Is it wrong to do this? Is this considered adultry or does the seperation mean each person is free to see other people?

#2. A man walks into a bar and throws $450 up on the counter. He tells the bartender that everyone drinks for free till the amount of money is gone. When asked what the occasion is, the man says he's just made his last child support payment as required by the court. Is it wrong to openly celebrate the end of making child support payments?

#3 A couple are romantically involved, she is 37 years old and he is 22. Is it wrong to be romantically involved with someone who's 15 years younger/older than yourself? What age is an acceptable cutoff point if so?

#4 You are friends with a married couple and one of them confides in you that they are having an affair. This is shocking information to you. Is it wrong to tell their partner about the affair? Is it wrong to just keep quiet about the whole thing?

#5 A Grandparent has a terminal illness and asks you to help them end their life. Helping them commit suicide is against the law but your Grandparent is in unbearable pain and begs you. Is it wrong to honor or not honor their dying wishes?

Discuss.

[SJ Bronco]

#3 A couple are romantically involved, she is 37 years old and he is 22. Is it wrong to be romantically involved with someone who's 15 years younger/older than yourself? What age is an acceptable cutoff point if so?

My second wife is still learning to walk right now somewhere I suspect.... (I'm kidding you dolts) Seriously, if two people are over 18, who gives a shyt?

[frerottenextelway]

No.

Yes.

No.

Neither decision is morally wrong.

Neither decision is morally wrong.

[sisterhellfyre]

#1 - No. But if you know going into the relationship that your new partner has a "prior commitment," you should be prepared to let them go if/when they want to go back.

#2 - No. I probably would have celebrated too.

#3 - No. They are both of legal age and consenting.

#4 - Not wrong, but the two given alternatives are both bad. "When you don't like the game, change the rules..." I would ask my friend if she really knew what she was doing, and if she had thought it through. If she hadn't thought it through yet, then she darned well better. I might not tell her secret, but I also won't help her continue the lies. It will probably also lower my regard for her as a friend, and will end that friendship if it goes on long enough.

#5 - If that's the real situation, it is not wrong regardless of what the law says. That's one of the problems I see in America now, that we're too willing to go along with kneejerk and stupid laws that let the government intrude on what should be private matters. Does the name Schiavo ring a bell to anyone?

[NYBronco]

1.) No

2.) No

3.) No

4.) Yes, No

5.) No either way

[SleepingTiger]

I found these discussions on another forum and thought them to be pretty interesting, so without further ado, Moral questions for our time:

#1. A man becomes romantically & sexually involved with a woman who's married but seperated. Is it wrong to do this? Is this considered adultry or does the seperation mean each person is free to see other people?

#2. A man walks into a bar and throws $450 up on the counter. He tells the bartender that everyone drinks for free till the amount of money is gone. When asked what the occasion is, the man says he's just made his last child support payment as required by the court. Is it wrong to openly celebrate the end of making child support payments?

#3 A couple are romantically involved, she is 37 years old and he is 22. Is it wrong to be romantically involved with someone who's 15 years younger/older than yourself? What age is an acceptable cutoff point if so?

#4 You are friends with a married couple and one of them confides in you that they are having an affair. This is shocking information to you. Is it wrong to tell their partner about the affair? Is it wrong to just keep quiet about the whole thing?

#5 A Grandparent has a terminal illness and asks you to help them end their life. Helping them commit suicide is against the law but your Grandparent is in unbearable pain and begs you. Is it wrong to honor or not honor their dying wishes?

Discuss.

1. Yes. They are separated so their is still a chance they can reconcile their relationship.

2. Yes and No. Depending on the situation... as long as the father is looking for the children, nothing else matters.

3. No. As long as both are responsible adults, this should not be an issue.

4. Yes. Its none of you business. You should advise the person to stay faithful.

5. Tough question... i would never want to be put in that situation.

[gyldenlove]

1. If you are seperated you are fair game, the woman is consenting and ready to move on. Divorces can take time and if the marriage is can not be reconciled there is no reason to wait for finalizing the divorce, it is just paperwork.

2. No, that is not wrong. If someone took my kids away from me I would celebrate too the day I didn't have to pay anything.

3. Adult and consenting, anything goes.

4. I would not tell, but I would urge the adulterer to admit it or end it. Only if I had special allegience to the other party would I consider telling.

5. I would passively assist in so far that I would take them to the hospital or doctor and have them prescribe enough morphine to control the pain even if that amount is potentially lethal as well as signing a DNR, but I would not actively assist.

[Fedaykin]

I found these discussions on another forum and thought them to be pretty interesting, so without further ado, Moral questions for our time:

#1. A man becomes romantically & sexually involved with a woman who's married but seperated. Is it wrong to do this? Is this considered adultry or does the seperation mean each person is free to see other people?


Depends on the nature of that separation. All that matters are the expectations of the separated couple.


#2. A man walks into a bar and throws $450 up on the counter. He tells the bartender that everyone drinks for free till the amount of money is gone. When asked what the occasion is, the man says he's just made his last child support payment as required by the court. Is it wrong to openly celebrate the end of making child support payments?


This one depends on more information too. Is the guy a real dead beat dad or was he a good father who screwed over by the court system in a divorce and child custody battle? For example, did he lose custody and the mother is perfectly capable of supporting the children on her own?


#3 A couple are romantically involved, she is 37 years old and he is 22. Is it wrong to be romantically involved with someone who's 15 years younger/older than yourself? What age is an acceptable cutoff point if so?


As long as you are talking adults, age difference alone is not wrong.


#4 You are friends with a married couple and one of them confides in you that they are having an affair. This is shocking information to you. Is it wrong to tell their partner about the affair? Is it wrong to just keep quiet about the whole thing?


It is wrong to keep quiet about it, though when I was faced with this myself I took the approach of convincing the person who confided in me to tell her boyfriend.


#5 A Grandparent has a terminal illness and asks you to help them end their life. Helping them commit suicide is against the law but your Grandparent is in unbearable pain and begs you. Is it wrong to honor or not honor their dying wishes?


It is downright EVIL to not do as the dying person wishes. Forcing someone to suffer a cruel and painful death is ****ing sick sh*t.

[Hogan11]

#1 - Yes....seperated or not, you remain married till the divorce/annullment becomes final. This scenerio is then the equiveliant of adultry....or so I'm told by the local Parrish Priest anyways. Ha!

#2 - No....however, there's something dispicable about a guy celebrating the fact that he no longer has to provide for his children. I wouldn't refuse the free drink though Ha!

#3 - No....some people are really hung up on age differences though. I remember a thread on here years ago about this subject and it went on hot and heavy for pages.

#4 - Yes/No.... It's really none of your business, however, I do agree with the notion of urging the person who confided in you to come clean about it.

5# - Not wrong either way. Persoanlly though, I'd do everything I could legally to ease the Grandparent's pain, but I don't think I could bring myself to actively assist in the termination of a loved one.

[Cool Breeze]

1 no
2 no
3 no
4 no / no
5 no / no

[spdirty]

1. Yes.

2. No. Child support is a bltch and at least the guy held up his end. My neices sperm donor hasnt made a payment in over 5 years. Think he owes about 20K by now.

3. No. Hell my grandmother was 18 years younger than my grandfather. And they were married 40+ years and adored each other till he died.

4. Depends. If I actually like the person getting cheated on Ill tell. If I dont, hell with em.

5. Hell yes thats wrong. Id never do it ever. Bout the closest thing Id ever do would be if they were being kept alive by a machine and they told me they wanted off of it Id put em in a hospice. Thats it. And if a loved one ever asked me to help them kill themself Id probably chew their ass for putting me in that position. Throw some pain pills at em and tell em to shut up.

[Fedaykin]

5. Hell yes thats wrong. Id never do it ever. Bout the closest thing Id ever do would be if they were being kept alive by a machine and they told me they wanted off of it Id put em in a hospice. Thats it. And if a loved one ever asked me to help them kill themself Id probably chew their ass for putting me in that position. Throw some pain pills at em and tell em to shut up.

So I take it the concept of mercy illudes you, even when it's someone you love?

[spdirty]

So I take it the concept of mercy illudes you, even when it's someone you love?

Just a me personally thing, but no matter how much I tried to rationalize it, if I ever did that it would probably haunt me for the rest of my life. Just me. No matter what I said to myself, the little voice in the back of my head would keep telling me that I killed my grandmother/dad/sister/neice/kids/ball and chain. And I am the reason why they are no longer here.

[Hogan11]

Just a me personally thing, but no matter how much I tried to rationalize it, if I ever did that it would probably haunt me for the rest of my life. Just me. No matter what I said to myself, the little voice in the back of my head would keep telling me that I killed my grandmother/dad/sister/neice/kids/ball and chain. And I am the reason why they are no longer here.

That's exactly the way I view it. I would never condemn anyone else for doing it, but me personally, I couldn't do it because it would haunt me for the rest of my life.

[spdirty]

That's exactly the way I view it. I would never condemn anyone else for doing it, but me personally, I couldn't do it because it would haunt me for the rest of my life.

Then theres another scenario out there where say you are at war and you see someone get their guts blown out, and they have no shot at making it, and they will most likely die in about 6 hours, there I might put a bullet in their head, end the suffering without being haunted by it.

But my dad and I have had this conversation. He told me if he were ever in the situation you laid out he would want me to kill him and I flat told him to kiss my ass I wouldnt do it. We got into one of our mini arguments and I told him that in a controlled environment like that, with technology improving every day, Id always have hope even if it seemed all hope was lost. And I couldnt live with myself if I ever killed him. So take a pain pill and shut up.

[baja]

I would need to see pictures...

[Bob]

I found these discussions on another forum and thought them to be pretty interesting, so without further ado, Moral questions for our time:

#1. A man becomes romantically & sexually involved with a woman who's married but seperated. Is it wrong to do this? Is this considered adultry or does the seperation mean each person is free to see other people?

Discuss.

I would have to ask, why somone would not wait until things are finalized before becoming sexually involved ... if it is only sexual, then that is a waste in my opinion. If the marriage contract is not completely dissolved, then one would be starting a potential relationship with someone without honoring that former commitment (and in my opinion that woman) and is like building something on a foundation, that still has a building on it. That's my take, as my parents were divorced while I was a teenager, and there was a simular situation going on ... I always wondered how "the other man" could have much respect for marriage and commitment and my mom -- if he was willing to hurt children, another guy he'd never met, for sex -- when if that's all he needed, he could get it elsewhere.

[Fedaykin]

I would have to ask, why somone would not wait until things are finalized before becoming sexually involved ... if it is only sexual, then that is a waste in my opinion. If the marriage contract is not completely dissolved, then one would be starting a potential relationship with someone without honoring that former commitment (and in my opinion that woman) and is like building something on a foundation, that still has a building on it. That's my take, as my parents were divorced while I was a teenager, and there was a simular situation going on ... I always wondered how "the other man" could have much respect for marriage and commitment and my mom -- if he was willing to hurt children, another guy he'd never met, for sex -- when if that's all he needed, he could get it elsewhere.

When the marriage is over, the marriage is over. When the paperwork comes in really doesn't matter.

[Bob]

When the marriage is over, the marriage is over. When the paperwork comes in really doesn't matter.

I dont know what the stats are on this .... but doesnt that paperwork represent the contractual relationship according to the state? I guess this one hits too close to home -- marriage is a sacred thing, when folks grey the lines and pretend they are thinking with their heart, and not their pecker, they have teh right legally to do what they want I guess --but well intentioned or lonely parents dont think things through and kids in the middle often get hurt, like in my case. When people really care for each other I think it makes some sense to not rush into things, or out of a marriage for that matter. There are many reasons why a marriages end -- I get it --- some reasons are obviously better than others -- the question dealt with the morality of the guy getting involved before the marriage is disolved -- I think if the guy really cares about the gal, there are times when it is best to wait.

[Fedaykin]

I dont know what the stats are on this .... but doesnt that paperwork represent the contractual relationship according to the state? I guess this one hits too close to home -- marriage is a sacred thing, when folks grey the lines and pretend they are thinking with their heart, and not their pecker, they have teh right legally to do what they want I guess --but well intentioned or lonely parents dont think things through and kids in the middle often get hurt, like in my case. When people really care for each other I think it makes some sense to not rush into things, or out of a marriage for that matter. There are many reasons why a marriages end -- I get it --- some reasons are obviously better than others -- the question dealt with the morality of the guy getting involved before the marriage is disolved -- I think if the guy really cares about the gal, there are times when it is best to wait.

Like I said, when the two married people decide the marriage is over, that's really all that matters from a moral standpoint. There can be no adultry if the people consider their relationship over.

You bring up children which is a great topic, but not the question that was asked.

[epicSocialism4tw]

#1. A man becomes romantically & sexually involved with a woman who's married but seperated. Is it wrong to do this? Is this considered adultry or does the seperation mean each person is free to see other people?

Yes. It is wrong.

Separation is not divorce, but if one or the other is sleeping around during that period then it will surely become divorce eventually. Might as well just get a divorce. Personally, I believe that divorce is only "not wrong" when it is induced by extreme circumstances (cheating spouse, etc.), and that separation should be used for each person to figure out whether or not life on their own is what they really want.

#2. A man walks into a bar and throws $450 up on the counter. He tells the bartender that everyone drinks for free till the amount of money is gone. When asked what the occasion is, the man says he's just made his last child support payment as required by the court. Is it wrong to openly celebrate the end of making child support payments?

Yeah. That's pretty classless. It presents him as a fool.

#3 A couple are romantically involved, she is 37 years old and he is 22. Is it wrong to be romantically involved with someone who's 15 years younger/older than yourself? What age is an acceptable cutoff point if so?

22 is pretty young. There's a big generational gap there. I dont necessarily think that its wrong, but I dont think that its wise. The age difference compatability depends on alot of things including maturity level and what the intentions of the relationship are for both parties involved.

#4 You are friends with a married couple and one of them confides in you that they are having an affair. This is shocking information to you. Is it wrong to tell their partner about the affair? Is it wrong to just keep quiet about the whole thing?

Tough one. I just dealt with this myself. It depends on the married couple. Sometimes people tell you things because they are tired of the secrecy. They could be telling you so that you can help them, and sometimes the best way to help them is to tell their partner.

#5 A Grandparent has a terminal illness and asks you to help them end their life. Helping them commit suicide is against the law but your Grandparent is in unbearable pain and begs you. Is it wrong to honor or not honor their dying wishes?

I would never grant someone's request to do such a thing, especially when they are asking you while in extreme duress.

[Garcia Bronco]

#1. A man becomes romantically & sexually involved with a woman who's married but seperated. Is it wrong to do this? Is this considered adultry or does the seperation mean each person is free to see other people?

I think it's wrong morally, but logically as well. why would you put yourself in the situation to begin with. It's just sounds like a giant headache.

#2. A man walks into a bar and throws $450 up on the counter. He tells the bartender that everyone drinks for free till the amount of money is gone. When asked what the occasion is, the man says he's just made his last child support payment as required by the court. Is it wrong to openly celebrate the end of making child support payments?

No it's not wrong, IMO

#3 A couple are romantically involved, she is 37 years old and he is 22. Is it wrong to be romantically involved with someone who's 15 years younger/older than yourself? What age is an acceptable cutoff point if so?

It's not wrong. It would only be wrong if the younger was not a legal adult.

#4 You are friends with a married couple and one of them confides in you that they are having an affair. This is shocking information to you. Is it wrong to tell their partner about the affair? Is it wrong to just keep quiet about the whole thing?

Man, they've put you in a heck of a situation. It would depend on the exact situation for me, but I would at least encourage my friend to stop the behavior and get help.

#5 A Grandparent has a terminal illness and asks you to help them end their life. Helping them commit suicide is against the law but your Grandparent is in unbearable pain and begs you. Is it wrong to honor or not honor their dying wishes?

It's wrong NOT to honor them. It would truly, for me, depend on their quality of life. I recently had to make this decision in the absence of a DNR. It was her wishes that she not be resuscitated though. Not the same as the example, but somewhat the same.

Discuss.

[Hogan11]

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