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go_broncos
11-07-2010, 12:51 PM
how the hell do you trade hillis..on top of that, Mcdummy says that hillis will not be effective in his scheme..
to hell with his scheme..****ing Moron.

With Hillis in our lineup, we would have won few more games.

frerottenextelway
11-07-2010, 12:52 PM
Wow, look at them Browns. I wish we had Mangini.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 12:55 PM
Wow, look at them Browns. I wish we had Mangini.

The difference is the running game..When did we have 100 yards rushing/game for a RB?..As far as i remember, it is only one game.
All we do is keep throwing the ball on every down.

bronco militia
11-07-2010, 12:55 PM
http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/peytonhillis.jpg

oubronco
11-07-2010, 12:56 PM
Hillis sure is making Mcd look inexperienced

fontaine
11-07-2010, 12:57 PM
how the hell do you trade hillis..on top of that, Mcdummy says that hillis will not be effective in his scheme..
to hell with his scheme..****ing Moron.

With Hillis in our lineup, we would have won few more games.


Can anyone actually tell me what running scheme we have that's so complicated and results in what 2.5 yards a pop?

And while you're at it, I would appreciate it if you could send an email/letter to Dove Valley and let McDaniels know what the scheme is too because clearly he has no ****ing clue either.

Goobzilla
11-07-2010, 12:58 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Goobzilla/p_hillis_101024_CP.jpg

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 01:00 PM
http://cache.heraldinteractive.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/laurence-maroney-new-england-patriots.jpg

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 01:00 PM
http://cache.heraldinteractive.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/laurence-maroney-new-england-patriots.jpg

he certainly fits our scheme..

oubronco
11-07-2010, 01:04 PM
http://cache.heraldinteractive.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/laurence-maroney-new-england-patriots.jpg

Smart and Tough :strong:

fontaine
11-07-2010, 01:07 PM
McTougherSmarter hardly needs the play of Hillis to accomplish that.


No, you're right. McD's handpicked players like Moreno, Maroney, Walton, Hochstein, Richard Quinn and coaches like Barone etc etc are all also not smart enough to understand this complex scheme either since McD's weekly said the mistakes are from coaching, to OL, all the way to the RBs.

Apparently this complex offensive scheme is like a rubix cube inside the death star, surrounded by dark matter inside a black hole.

oubronco
11-07-2010, 01:11 PM
19 - 110 yds 1 td

Stupid dumbass RB

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 01:12 PM
It's the Hillis show today.

ohiobronco2
11-07-2010, 01:12 PM
Did you see that fvcking catch? Wow.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 01:12 PM
Hillis is destroying NE.
This trade should alone be enough to fire Mcd..

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 01:13 PM
Did you see that f***ing catch? Wow.

Funny... he used to do the same things here when given the oppertunity.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 01:16 PM
BOWLEN..WAKE UP and save this team before Mcd destroys it.

yerner
11-07-2010, 01:16 PM
Its ****ing sickening.

ohiobronco2
11-07-2010, 01:17 PM
Our offense was awesome between the 20's. We just needed (I know that is a big deal) to fix our red zone woes. Our defense was the problem. Now, both are. I wish we would have hired Spagnuolo.

cabronco
11-07-2010, 01:17 PM
Did you see that f***ing catch? Wow.

That was a sweet catch. He's done that before too. Unreal he was traded. I think I know who the dumb one is.

Popps
11-07-2010, 01:19 PM
Funny... he used to do the same things here when given the oppertunity.

I will say this... I'm a believer in looking at results and thus far, Shanny got something out of him... and so has Mangina.

I don't doubt that he played poorly for us last season. I watched it with my own eyes.

But, he's producing in Cleveland... and that's going to lead to criticism.

The problem is, what no one is going to look at the real difference, which is the lines. I chronicled Hillis' runs with pictures in another thread. The guy is running through massive lanes.

But, no question... when our running game is struggling and a RB we sent packing is performing, McD is going to have questions to answer.

tsiguy96
11-07-2010, 01:20 PM
hillis is a beast, theres no ifs about it. he should have never been traded in hindsight, mcdaniels should have let him run the damn ball, thats what hes good at. hes not a FB in this league.

oubronco
11-07-2010, 01:22 PM
I will say this... I'm a believer in looking at results and thus far, Shanny got something out of him... and so has Mangina.

I don't doubt that he played poorly for us last season. I watched it with my own eyes.

But, he's producing in Cleveland... and that's going to lead to criticism.

The problem is, what no one is going to look at the real difference, which is the lines. I chronicled Hillis' runs with pictures in another thread. The guy is running through massive lanes.

But, no question... when our running game is struggling and a RB we sent packing is performing, McD is going to have questions to answer.

Yes their line is playing good but thing that pisses me off the most is we traded him for Quinn who can't even beat out Tebow and Hillis never goes down with first contact and carries piles while our rb's go down with a stiff breeze

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 01:23 PM
I will say this... I'm a believer in looking at results and thus far, Shanny got something out of him... and so has Mangina.

I don't doubt that he played poorly for us last season. I watched it with my own eyes.

But, he's producing in Cleveland... and that's going to lead to criticism.

The problem is, what no one is going to look at the real difference, which is the lines. I chronicled Hillis' runs with pictures in another thread. The guy is running through massive lanes.

But, no question... when our running game is struggling and a RB we sent packing is performing, McD is going to have questions to answer.

Hillis was nicked up on the last drive, and came out of the game. Those massive holes suddenly aren't there because the Browns went from running over NE to being instantly shut down.

Gutless Drunk
11-07-2010, 01:25 PM
1st and 10 at CLE 19 P.Hillis right guard to CLV 23 for 4 yards (T.Banta-Cain, M.Pryor).
2nd and 6 at CLE 23 P.Hillis right guard to CLV 26 for 3 yards (R.Brace, M.Pryor).
3rd and 3 at CLE 26 (Shotgun) C.McCoy pass short left to P.Hillis pushed ob at CLV 30 for 4 yards (J.Mayo).
1st and 10 at CLE 30 P.Hillis left tackle to CLV 34 for 4 yards (B.Deaderick).
2nd and 6 at CLE 34 M.Bell right guard to CLV 37 for 3 yards (J.Mayo, B.Spikes).
3rd and 3 at CLE 37 (Shotgun) C.McCoy pass deep right to P.Hillis pushed ob at NE 34 for 29 yards (B.Meriweather).

That last drive was all Hillis. Pretty good for someone that football "experts" claim is a "second string fullback"

ohiobronco2
11-07-2010, 01:25 PM
I will say this... I'm a believer in looking at results and thus far, Shanny got something out of him... and so has Mangina.

I don't doubt that he played poorly for us last season. I watched it with my own eyes.

But, he's producing in Cleveland... and that's going to lead to criticism.

The problem is, what no one is going to look at the real difference, which is the lines. I chronicled Hillis' runs with pictures in another thread. The guy is running through massive lanes.
But, no question... when our running game is struggling and a RB we sent packing is performing, McD is going to have questions to answer.

Who has a better QB, the Broncos or the Browns? Who has better WR's/TE's? I'm guessing Hillis is also facing more players in the box than what our backs are facing. How does our line go from being amazing a few years ago to so terrible today? Is it because our players were drafted for a different scheme or is it coaching? I'm willing to bet both. What I'm getting at is Hillis is surrounded by worse talent at skill positions, faces more defenders in the box and that should off set the so called better line that he has. We are just not getting it done and we could really use him right now.

Popps
11-07-2010, 01:27 PM
Hillis was nicked up on the last drive, and came out of the game. Those massive holes suddenly aren't there because the Browns went from running over NE to being instantly shut down.

I can only speak on the games I'm watching.

I don't spend all day stalking our ex-players so I can crow on a message board. :)

fontaine
11-07-2010, 01:28 PM
I will say this... I'm a believer in looking at results and thus far, Shanny got something out of him... and so has Mangina.

I don't doubt that he played poorly for us last season. I watched it with my own eyes.

But, he's producing in Cleveland... and that's going to lead to criticism.

The problem is, what no one is going to look at the real difference, which is the lines. I chronicled Hillis' runs with pictures in another thread. The guy is running through massive lanes.

But, no question... when our running game is struggling and a RB we sent packing is performing, McD is going to have questions to answer.


Yes the Cleveland OL does a good job.

But Hillis gains a lot of yards after contact. He runs through the first tackler and usually falls forward.

This is very clear, and obvious if you see the numbers/watch the other RBs in Cleveland who don't put anything close to the kind of performance Hillis does.

Not to mention last year the Cleveland OL was okay, nothing great.

Again, all clear and very obvious unless you're lying, biased or dumb like Hillis and can't understand football apparently.

Popps
11-07-2010, 01:30 PM
We are just not getting it done and we could really use him right now.

I agree.

I wish he was still a Bronco. Not sure how many times I've had to say that. The divide comes when we talk about WHY he's not a Bronco.

Cleveland does have one of the best lines in football, though. That's not open for debate.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 01:32 PM
looks like we are going to lose this week also.

fontaine
11-07-2010, 01:36 PM
Cleveland does have one of the best lines in football, though. That's not open for debate.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Ranked 25th in the league.

You're beginning to sound as dumb as Hillis supposedly.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 01:36 PM
looks like we are going to lose this week also.

lol

oubronco
11-07-2010, 01:37 PM
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Ranked 25th in the league.

You're beginning to sound as dumb as Hillis supposedly.

Owned

Popps
11-07-2010, 01:41 PM
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Ranked 25th in the league.

You're beginning to sound as dumb as Hillis supposedly.

Yea, well... Hillis is running through giant holes. I guess that's just a coincidence.

Popps
11-07-2010, 01:42 PM
Another TD!

LOL

Career day. Congrats to dummy! :)

cabronco
11-07-2010, 01:43 PM
I like to kick McD in the nuts right about now.

Goobzilla
11-07-2010, 01:43 PM
He's smart enough to stay inbounds after picking up the first. Everyone in the stadium knows he's getting the ball and they still

TD Hillis ****!

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 01:43 PM
another TD by Hillis..

Popps
11-07-2010, 01:43 PM
Hey, I start the guy every week in my fantasy league. Don't blame me.

fontaine
11-07-2010, 01:44 PM
Hillis just slid down on purpose (after stiff arming a defender for a first down) instead of running out of bounds to keep the clock running and reduce NE's chances in this game.

What a "dumb" RB.

broncosteven
11-07-2010, 01:44 PM
I thought Hillis was too stupid to run for 140 yards and a 30+ yard score.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 01:44 PM
28 Att 181 yards 2 TD..

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 01:44 PM
One team sure looks tougher and smarter. Wonder if Mangini is going to go fistpump berserker after wiping the floor with the Pats?

frerottenextelway
11-07-2010, 01:44 PM
Hillis is Pro Bowl bound.

oubronco
11-07-2010, 01:44 PM
Hillis isn't running through giant holes everytime but he is punishing the Patriot defense and is the biggest fuggin mistake McD has made

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 01:45 PM
I would fire Mcd right now for this trade..GO TO HELL

Goobzilla
11-07-2010, 01:45 PM
Hillis just slid down on purpose (after stiff arming a defender for a first down) instead of running out of bounds to keep the clock running and reduce NE's chances in this game.

What a "dumb" RB.

I was in the middle of posting about that when he rumbled to the house.

broncosteven
11-07-2010, 01:46 PM
The real sad thing about this is that the next time our 15th pick in the draft goes over 100 yards in a game will be his 1st.

oubronco
11-07-2010, 01:46 PM
What's funny is Hillis runs away from defenders and Moreno can't do shyt

Popps
11-07-2010, 01:46 PM
Relax, everyone.

Look at the upside. He's gotten me 33 points this week!

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 01:47 PM
http://cache.heraldinteractive.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/laurence-maroney-new-england-patriots.jpg

http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/05/bradyquinnpicture.jpg

http://nfldotcom.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/j_mcdaniels_blog.jpg

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 01:47 PM
if i am the owner, i would fire that idiot right now..****ing Moron..

Popps
11-07-2010, 01:48 PM
Plus, we got Brady Quinn for him.

Goobzilla
11-07-2010, 01:48 PM
Another turnover for the Patsies, Hillis could break 200 yds today.

fontaine
11-07-2010, 01:49 PM
Yea, well... Hillis is running through giant holes. I guess that's just a coincidence.

How the **** would you know?

I thought you just said a few posts ago that:

I don't spend all day stalking our ex-players

Why don't you just stop lying?

Popps
11-07-2010, 01:49 PM
The Pats look horrible.

oubronco
11-07-2010, 01:49 PM
Plus, we got Brady Quinn for him.

Which makes it even worse

baja
11-07-2010, 01:49 PM
If Quinn turns out to be a stud back up for several years or maybe even a starter than this will not hurt so much but thats a big "If".

No excuse for not spotting Hillis' talent but shanny/turner missed too so go figure.

Popps
11-07-2010, 01:50 PM
How the **** would you know?

I thought you just said a few posts ago that:



Why don't you just stop lying?

Wow, you're a bitter, sad boy.

I said I can comment on GAMES I'VE WATCHED.

I've got RZC on right now. I'm not stalking our ex-players, hoping for them to succeed so I can be a douche to "fellow" fans.

bronco militia
11-07-2010, 01:50 PM
http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL637/2498345/22431097/393099214.jpg

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 01:51 PM
If Quinn turns out to be a stud back up for several years or maybe even a starter than this will not hurt so much but thats a big "If".

No excuse for not spotting Hillis' talent but shanny/turner missed too so go figure.

Keep sucking Mcd *****

oubronco
11-07-2010, 01:52 PM
Wow, you're a bitter, sad boy.

I said I can comment on GAMES I'VE WATCHED.

I've got RZC on right now. I'm not stalking our ex-players, hoping for them to succeed so I can be a douche to "fellow" fans.

It's sad that when you watch Redzone and our ex players keep showing up on the zone quite often

cabronco
11-07-2010, 01:53 PM
If Quinn turns out to be a stud back up for several years or maybe even a starter than this will not hurt so much but thats a big "If".

No excuse for not spotting Hillis' talent but shanny/turner missed too so go figure.


Many of us Bronco fans could spot his talent, go figure.

Popps
11-07-2010, 01:54 PM
Many of us Bronco fans could spot his talent, go figure.

I don't know any fan who said he had no talent. I've yet to read that anywhere.

orangemonkey
11-07-2010, 01:54 PM
Many of us Bronco fans could spot his talent, go figure.

Wow did you see Bellicheat hunt down Hillis to congratulate him. That was surprising. Hillis destroyed the Patriots. Good stuff.

bpc
11-07-2010, 01:54 PM
How the **** would you know?

I thought you just said a few posts ago that:



Why don't you just stop lying?

No surprise here, Popps looks stupid again on this issue and refuses to admit he was wrong. Par for the course.

baja
11-07-2010, 01:54 PM
Keep sucking Mcd *****

Reading is fun. You should consider getting some tutoring.

<b>baja - There is no excuse for not spotting Hillis' talent

worm
11-07-2010, 01:54 PM
http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL637/2498345/22431097/393099214.jpg

Worth a 1000 words.

lostknight
11-07-2010, 01:55 PM
No excuse for not spotting Hillis' talent but shanny/turner missed too so go figure.

How do you figure? He was low on the depth chart, but once they started using him, he really became the prestige for the Broncos attacks with insane days rushing and passing.

If Shanny were still here, there is no way we would have drafted Moreno, because we had Hillis. Simple as that.

UberBroncoMan
11-07-2010, 01:55 PM
At least I was able to adopt his ghost.

fontaine
11-07-2010, 01:55 PM
Wow, you're a bitter, sad boy.

I said I can comment on GAMES I'VE WATCHED.

I've got RZC on right now. I'm not stalking our ex-players, hoping for them to succeed so I can be a douche to "fellow" fans.

Wait a minute, so you're making statements like this one:


Cleveland does have one of the best lines in football, though. That's not open for debate.

based off of the red zone channel?

Hilarious!

Popps
11-07-2010, 01:56 PM
No surprise here, Popps looks stupid again on this issue and refuses to admit he was wrong. Par for the course.

Quite the contrary... I spotted Hillis' talents as early as anyone on this forum.

I also saw him missing assignments all last season.

Conversely, it's obvious that he's done well with two coaches and not one. So, as I said... the criticism of McD is perfectly fair, imo.

oubronco
11-07-2010, 01:56 PM
Wait a minute, so you're making statements like this one:



based off of the red zone channel?

Hilarious!

Owned again

montrose
11-07-2010, 01:57 PM
Easily the 2nd biggest mistake of the McDaniels area behind trading the NFL's next great ballhawk Alphonso Smith.

Popps
11-07-2010, 01:57 PM
based off of the red zone channel?

Hilarious!

Wow, you can't be this dense.

I HAVE watched CLV games this season.

I AM NOT watching the entire game right now.

Make sense?

I also said I posted a long post earlier this season with pics, breaking down his running lanes. Look it up.

TotallyScrewed
11-07-2010, 01:58 PM
How do you figure? He was low on the depth chart, but once they started using him, he really became the prestige for the Broncos attacks with insane days rushing and passing.

If Shanny were still here, there is no way we would have drafted Moreno, because we had Hillis. Simple as that.

True.

The the Hillis Haters said he was too stupid to run the ball in Denver. Of course, they had only rumor and McD's choice to not play him as proof but that didn't stop them from ragging on him.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 01:58 PM
If you can't find a way to use a guy like Hillis on your football team, you have no business being in charge of a football team. Simple as that.

Popps
11-07-2010, 01:58 PM
Easily the 2nd biggest mistake of the McDaniels area behind trading the NFL's next great ballhawk Alphonso Smith.

I still think Smith was a bigger mistake, only because we did invest a 2nd rounder in him and it was so early in his development.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 01:59 PM
Easily the 2nd biggest mistake of the McDaniels area behind trading the NFL's next great ballhawk Alphonso Smith.

I would rate trading Hillis as the biggest blunder.

TotallyScrewed
11-07-2010, 01:59 PM
Here's the real fun part...

The Denver Broncos (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/DEN) have agreed to trade fullback Peyton Hillis (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34972/Peyton_Hillis), a 2011 6th-round draft selection and a conditional 2012 draft selection to the Cleveland Browns (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/CLE) in exchange for quarterback Brady Quinn (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/16698/Brady_Quinn), pending physicals.

bpc
11-07-2010, 02:00 PM
Another TD!

LOL

Career day. Congrats to dummy! :)

You're such a clown. Why can you just come clean on your stupidity? Just admit that you've been wrong on basically everything for the past 10 years.

oubronco
11-07-2010, 02:00 PM
And what do you think that draft pic will be

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 02:00 PM
Here's the real fun part...

The Denver Broncos (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/DEN) have agreed to trade fullback Peyton Hillis (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34972/Peyton_Hillis), a 2011 6th-round draft selection and a conditional 2012 draft selection to the Cleveland Browns (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/CLE) in exchange for quarterback Brady Quinn (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/16698/Brady_Quinn), pending physicals.

We are TotallyScrewed..

fontaine
11-07-2010, 02:00 PM
Wow, you can't be this dense.

I HAVE watched CLV games this season.

I AM NOT watching the entire game right now.

Make sense?

I also said I posted a long post earlier this season with pics, breaking down his running lanes. Look it up.

I'll just reply to you with what you said to me in your last rep comment:

Peyton Hillis 11-07-2010 01:51 PM

Popps

Dude, you're a ****ing psycho. Seriously. Get out of the house or something.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:01 PM
You're such a clown. Why can you just come clean on your stupidity? Just admit that you've been wrong on basically everything for the past 10 years.

Dude, you hate the Broncos. Why would you care?

baja
11-07-2010, 02:01 PM
and we keep Jones and trade for Maroney. Hard to justify that.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:01 PM
I'll just reply to you with what you said to me in your last rep comment:

Yes dude, honestly... it's creepy.

You need to find a hobby, or a girlfriend... or something.

THE719!
11-07-2010, 02:02 PM
you know what I love best about this.... CLEVELAND IS BETTER THEN DENVER!.... excuse me I need to yack

oubronco
11-07-2010, 02:02 PM
and we keep Jones and trade for Maroney. Hard to justify that.

Yes it is

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 02:02 PM
Here's the real fun part...

The Denver Broncos (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/DEN) have agreed to trade fullback Peyton Hillis (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34972/Peyton_Hillis), a 2011 6th-round draft selection and a conditional 2012 draft selection to the Cleveland Browns (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/CLE) in exchange for quarterback Brady Quinn (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/16698/Brady_Quinn), pending physicals.

That should have read: The Manchurian Manchild has all systems go.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 02:03 PM
you know what I love best about this.... CLEVELAND IS BETTER THEN DENVER!.... excuse me oi need to yack

I like the direction of this team../Mcd lovers

UberBroncoMan
11-07-2010, 02:05 PM
McD has done nothing but show he's like every other Belicheat ex. A ginormous Napoleon that will be gone sooner than later, end up being an OC for another team then get another HC gig. However in the process, making/keeping their first team they HC'ed at a complete ****-hole.

fontaine
11-07-2010, 02:06 PM
Yes dude, honestly... it's creepy.

You need to find a hobby, or a girlfriend... or something.

Right, and you're here saying:

Cleveland does have one of the best lines in football, though. That's not open for debate.

When clearly the don't, they're ranked 25th in the league here:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

So as far as hobbies go? Maybe you need to quit watching football because you clearly suck at it.

baja
11-07-2010, 02:06 PM
I like the direction of this team../Mcd lovers

I and many others said that after the Jets game because it was true. After the Raiders & 9'ers games no one was saying that because it obviously wasn't true.

cabronco
11-07-2010, 02:08 PM
I don't know any fan who said he had no talent. I've yet to read that anywhere.

I was referring to the coaches. But some of you sided with McD that Hillis had rocks for brains, so he couldnt understand McD's complex offense.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:08 PM
So as far as hobbies go? Maybe you need to quit watching football because you clearly suck at it.

No girlfriend yet?

I'll judge a line by what I see them doing and what I see their backs doing.

Hillis isn't having a day like that behind our line, or are you saying he would?


Anyway, you keep pining after me, bro.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 02:09 PM
Popps is an idiot just like Mcd..Hopefully, he goes wherever Mcd goes..

oubronco
11-07-2010, 02:11 PM
I was referring to the coaches. But some of you sided with McD that Hillis had rocks for brains, so he couldnt understand McD's complex offense.

Judging by what we see every week "Does anyone?"

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:12 PM
I was referring to the coaches. But some of you sided with McD that Hillis had rocks for brains, so he couldnt understand McD's complex offense.

Oh, he may well be a doofus. But, he's being used properly by Cleveland for the system they run.

Could we have used him the same way? I have no idea. All I know is, he routinely screwed up when given the chance last year. No other players had trouble getting on the field but him.

That said, the results are what they are. When we're floundering and Hillis is racking up yards, McD deserves the criticism, at this point.

Again, no one was a bigger Hillis fan earlier than I was. That's why I was so bummed he couldn't produce when given the chances last season.

oubronco
11-07-2010, 02:13 PM
Oh, he may well be a doofus. But, he's being used properly by Cleveland for the system they run.

Could we have used him the same way? I have no idea. All I know is, he routinely screwed up when given the chance last year. No other players had trouble getting on the field but him.

That said, the results are what they are. When we're floundering and Hillis is racking up yards, McD deserves the criticism, at this point.

Again, no one was a bigger Hillis fan earlier than I was. That's why I was so bummed he couldn't produce when given the chances last season.

What did he get like 6 chances all year?

gunns
11-07-2010, 02:14 PM
Dude, you hate the Broncos. Why would you care?

Dude, that response was bull **** when it was first used and still is. Seems to be used when there is no adequate response to an opinion not agreed with but your own opinion is diminishing. Lose it.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:15 PM
What did he get like 6 chances all year?

But, why was that... when McD showed no favoritism to "his" guys when starting other players?

Why couldn't he get on the field?

Anyway, we can re-hash this... or not.

If McD ****ed up, he ****ed up.

Shanny passed on Ed Reed for Ashley Lelie.

**** happens, and it won't be the first or last time any coach ****s up.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 02:15 PM
What did he get like 6 chances all year?

LOL..Guys like Moreno,Moss, R.quinn keeps getting chances though they screw it most of the time.

fontaine
11-07-2010, 02:16 PM
No girlfriend yet?

I'll judge a line by what I see them doing and what I see their backs doing.

Hillis isn't having a day like that behind our line, or are you saying he would?


Anyway, you keep pining after me, bro.

It was only a matter of time before you started getting personal.

I'm not sure why the issue of my dating status is of such concern to you or even how it's relevant. If you want to keep going down that line then it just shows what kind of poster you are.

But, throwing around personal insults like calling me a ****ing psycho, saying that I need a girlfriend aren't really going to fool anyone here. You're not distracting anyone from statements like this one:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Popps
Cleveland does have one of the best lines in football, though. That's not open for debate.

When clearly the don't, they're ranked 25th in the league here:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:17 PM
Dude, that response was bull **** when it was first used and still is. Seems to be used when there is no adequate response to an opinion not agreed with but your own opinion is diminishing. Lose it.

No, he really does. You just don't know the history. He's celebratory when we lose, and invisible when things go well. He was propping up the Bears last season, and now claims to be a Redskins fan.

You'll never hear me use that on someone like SoCal, who criticizes the team on a regular basis. SoCal is a great fan, we just disagree.

We have trolls here... and then we have people who just disagree, or people who dislike the staff.

There's a difference.

bpc
11-07-2010, 02:19 PM
Dude, that response was bull **** when it was first used and still is. Seems to be used when there is no adequate response to an opinion not agreed with but your own opinion is diminishing. Lose it.

I actually laugh at it. He's used it like 20 times in a row to refute indisputable evidence, like today's showing from Peyton.

Popps' credibility is shot by his blind homerism to all things Ellis/McDaniels related. The whole board knows it too.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:19 PM
It was only a matter of time before you started getting personal.

Oh, you mean like you following me around calling me "stupid?"

At a certain point, it goes out of bounds, boss. You stalk me constantly, and it's a little sad.

Disagree with me, great.

Am I wrong on stuff, sure? Anyone here want to claim that they never have been?

The same people flaming me on this thread are the ones who claimed Jay Cutler was a "franchise" QB.

epicSocialism4tw
11-07-2010, 02:22 PM
:slapsilly

broncocalijohn
11-07-2010, 02:22 PM
I don't know any fan who said he had no talent. I've yet to read that anywhere.

You came close enough though as you turned a 180. From one of the cheerleaders to glad we canned his ass. He is making us (broncos FO not the Hillis loyaltist) look like baffoons.
BTW, i was one of the ver few who didnt care for cutler and would take rivers in a heartbeat.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:23 PM
Oh, and I'm a homer... guilty as charged.

You'll never find me crowing with joy when we lose, disappearing when we win... or stalking our ex-players, hoping they make Broncos fans unhappy.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:23 PM
You came close enough though as you turned a 180. From one of the cheerleaders to glad we canned his ass. He is making us (broncos FO not the Hillis loyaltist) look like baffoons.

Show me one place I ever said he had no physical talent.

I'll save you the trouble, you won't find it.

I was the first one to call for him as a starter when he was seeing time back in 07.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 02:25 PM
Oh, and I'm a homer... guilty as charged.

You'll never find me crowing with joy when we lose, disappearing when we win... or stalking our ex-players, hoping they make Broncos fans unhappy.

To me..you like Mcd more than Broncos..
You don't even question his moves..You seem to think he is accurate all the time.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:28 PM
To me..you like Mcd more than Broncos..
.

That's because you're in a blind rage, constantly.

McD is just a temporary care-taker of my team. If he fails, he fails. I'll root for him to succeed until he's gone. I won't take pleasure in my team's failure.

If he goes, I'll root for the next coach. No skin off of my back.

fontaine
11-07-2010, 02:28 PM
Am I wrong on stuff, sure? Anyone here want to claim that they never have been?

Yes you clearly are. You're wrong about the Cleveland line being one of the best in the league and generalizing about how they open up giant holes.

Hopefully you'll remember that going forward so you don't make yourself look clue less when it comes to talking about a running game.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:29 PM
Yes you clearly are. You're wrong about the Cleveland line being one of the best in the league and generalizing about how they open up giant holes.

Hopefully you'll remember that going forward so you don't make yourself look clue less when it comes to talking about a good running game.

Cleveland has an excellent line. I wasn't "generalizing." I posted a post featuring pics and video if you want to look it up. Or, you can just keep yapping.

Again, if you think Hillis would be running for 180 yards in Denver, all you have to do is say so.

It would be comical, but go ahead and say it.

Gutless Drunk
11-07-2010, 02:30 PM
what did he get like 6 chances all year?

13

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 02:31 PM
The Browns may have a good line, but they sure as hell don't have another guy on the roster who runs for 184 against the Pats... or bails out their rookie quarterback with drive sustaining acrobatic catches on wheel routes of the backfield.

fontaine
11-07-2010, 02:32 PM
Cleveland has an excellent line.

Again, if you think Hillis would be running for 180 yards in Denver, all you have to do is say so.

It would be comical, but go ahead and say it.

You've just admitted that you don't go around watching ex-Bronco players, only saw the Cleveland games you've commented on specifically so you're opinion on the OL is pretty much as worthless as our running game right now.

Is there anyone else here that actually believes "Cleveland has one of the best lines in football?"

frerottenextelway
11-07-2010, 02:32 PM
The difference between Hillis this year and Hillis last year is that Mangini is a better coach than McDaniels.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:32 PM
You've just admitted that you don't go around watching ex-Bronco players, only saw the Cleveland games you've commented on specifically so you're opinion on the OL is pretty much as worthless as our running game right now.

I said I can comment on what I've seen. I made those comments clear using pictures and videos. So, even you can understand them.

colonelbeef
11-07-2010, 02:35 PM
It was only a matter of time before you started getting personal.

I'm not sure why the issue of my dating status is of such concern to you or even how it's relevant. If you want to keep going down that line then it just shows what kind of poster you are.

But, throwing around personal insults like calling me a ****ing psycho, saying that I need a girlfriend aren't really going to fool anyone here. You're not distracting anyone from statements like this one:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Popps


When clearly the don't, they're ranked 25th in the league here:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Poops doesn't let facts affect his McLove!

fontaine
11-07-2010, 02:37 PM
I said I can comment on what I've seen. I made those comments clear using pictures and videos. So, even you can understand them.

Who cares about that? I'm talking about what you said just a few pages ago:

Cleveland does have one of the best lines in football, though. That's not open for debate.

One of the best huh? You want to elaborate on that? How many pro bowlers do they have? Who are their best OL and what type of running plays do they run?

Because clearly you must have some sort of idea since you claim they are one of the best lines in football?

epicSocialism4tw
11-07-2010, 02:37 PM
The difference between Hillis this year and Hillis last year is that Mangini is a better coach than McDaniels.

Ugh. The reality that there is even a question about that being true is sad.

frerottenextelway
11-07-2010, 02:39 PM
Having Colt McCoy to open up the passing game helps Hillis out a lot too.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:41 PM
One of the best huh? You want to elaborate on that? How many pro bowlers do they have? Who are their best OL and what type of running plays do they run?


Heard of Joe Thomas? He's been to a few Pro Bowls.

They also have one of the best blocking FB's in the league.

But, you're probably right... Hillis is running for a buck-eighty without any help. He's doing that all on his own.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 02:41 PM
This is the first time this year I've actually watched the Browns play besides what was on the RZC or highlights. That said, the team I watched today can beat any team in the league. Mangini certainly didn't inherit a talented team.

oubronco
11-07-2010, 02:42 PM
13

Yea that's enough to call a guy a dumbass loser and trade him for a worse player like Quinn

WolfpackGuy
11-07-2010, 02:43 PM
29 for 184 with 2 TDs and 36 yards receiving?

Too dumb for the Broncos.

Yay, Brady Quinn and Moreno!

fontaine
11-07-2010, 02:45 PM
Heard of Joe Thomas? He's been to a few Pro Bowls.

They also have one of the best blocking FB's in the league.

But, you're probably right... Hillis is running for a buck-eighty without any help. He's doing that all on his own.

One well known OL and a freaking FB? Who cares about their FB? You didn't say they had one of the best FBs in the league.

That's what you know?

That's what you're basing your statement "Cleveland does have one of the best lines in football."

Just one OL? That's what you know?

Seriously?

Hilarious!

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:46 PM
This is the first time this year I've actually watched the Browns play besides what was on the RZC or highlights. That said, the team I watched today can beat any team in the league. Mangini certainly didn't inherit a talented team.

That game against the Saints wasn't a fluke. They're solid all around.

Now, McCoy looks to be a pretty solid addition for them, too.


I don't mind seeing the Bronws succeed at all. That's a good football city, and Hillis is fun to watch run.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:47 PM
One well known OL and one FB?




Again, I broke it down using pictures and video... clearly illustrating Hillis' running lanes against the Ravens. You can look it up, or keep up your obtuse routine.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make at this point, outside of just following me around and looking for attention.



In any case, people can take out their frustrations on me if they like. No sweat off my back. I didn't trade Hillis, and I like watching him play.
He's racking up points for my fantasy team.

But, if I can be a villain around here for people... go for it!

bpc
11-07-2010, 02:48 PM
Heard of Joe Thomas? He's been to a few Pro Bowls.

They also have one of the best blocking FB's in the league.

But, you're probably right... Hillis is running for a buck-eighty without any help. He's doing that all on his own.

Wait, I thought you said Pro Bowls were irrelevant stats for NFL players? Now you use it to prove your point?

Caught in another contradiction? Not surprising.

fontaine
11-07-2010, 02:49 PM
Heard of Joe Thomas? He's been to a few Pro Bowls.

They also have one of the best blocking FB's in the league.

But, you're probably right... Hillis is running for a buck-eighty without any help. He's doing that all on his own.

This is just priceless. You start off by talking about the OL and now mention the FB?

You're basing a sweeping statement about Cleveland being one of the best lines in football because Joe Thomas is a pro bowler?

That's it?

ROFL!

Never mind dude. I didn't mean to pick on you, I just actually thought you knew something about their OL and the way they run block.

It's cool, I didn't realize you were just making that stuff up.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:49 PM
Wait, I thought you said Pro Bowls were irrelevant stats for NFL players? .

No, I said Cutler didn't deserve his.

A little different.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:50 PM
This is just priceless. You start off by talking about the OL and now mention the FB?


Oh, blocking FB's don't help a RB?

Ask Terrell Davis if his helped.

Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you by talking about all facets of run-blocking.

Popps
11-07-2010, 02:52 PM
Anyhoo...

1. Hillis is very talented
2. Wish he was performing like this in Denver
3. McD deserves criticism until our run-game is performing properly.





Not sure what else people want.

Have fun, folks! :)

fontaine
11-07-2010, 02:53 PM
Oh, blocking FB's don't help a RB?

Ask Terrell Davis if his helped.

Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you by talking about all facets of run-blocking.

What does this:

Cleveland does have one of the best lines in football, though. That's not open for debate.

Have anything to do with a FB?

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 02:57 PM
Mcd has destroyed the team within 2 seasons..our team is laughing stock in NFL.
I hope that he gets fired before draft day.

frerottenextelway
11-07-2010, 02:59 PM
Would we beat Cleveland?

broncocalijohn
11-07-2010, 03:03 PM
Show me one place I ever said he had no physical talent.

I'll save you the trouble, you won't find it.

I was the first one to call for him as a starter when he was seeing time back in 07.

No, you stated he was not good enough to be a Bronco and you backed McD's decision on that. That is close enough for me.

WolfpackGuy
11-07-2010, 03:05 PM
Would we beat Cleveland?

Maybe their 1999 squad in an overtime squeaker.

baja
11-07-2010, 03:06 PM
Yes you clearly are. <b> You're wrong about the Cleveland line being one of the best in the league and generalizing about how they open up giant holes.</b>

Hopefully you'll remember that going forward so you don't make yourself look clue less when it comes to talking about a running game.

You owned him yay for you. Do you really have to repeat it like 7 times.

Act like you been there. ;D

mr007
11-07-2010, 03:09 PM
Oh, and I'm a homer... guilty as charged.

You'll never find me crowing with joy when we lose, disappearing when we win... or stalking our ex-players, hoping they make Broncos fans unhappy.

Nope - but you'll be the first person to agree with retarded decisions by the FO, authoritatively state players are too dumb to fit in a system (despite lack of any links or evidence), and state things you liked about games we should be winning but find a way to lose.

Crowing with joy when we lose and being upset about **** people don't agree with are 2 different things. No fan is happy about losing.

Popps
11-07-2010, 03:09 PM
No, you stated he was not good enough to be a Bronco and you backed McD's decision on that. That is close enough for me.

I said he didn't do well when given the opportunity, and that was correct.

"Good enough" implies a physical talent level... and I've said since day one he's a beast with the ball in his hands.

Again, he's not on my fantasy team because I think he's not talented.

I did say he might have mental limitations, but... props to Cleveland for getting out of him what they have.

Again, I have no problem with people questioning McD on this one, at this point. I'm not sure what more you want me to say.

Just don't put words in my mouth. The guy has physical talent... we all knew that.



Again, the criticism is fair when our run-game looks as bad as it has.

frerottenextelway
11-07-2010, 03:10 PM
Maybe their 1999 squad in an overtime squeaker.

http://topnews.in/light/files/Freddie-Mercury.gif

We are the champions ... of the world.

Popps
11-07-2010, 03:10 PM
You owned him yay for you. Do you really have to repeat it like 7 times.

Act like you been there. ;D

He feels like he's right and I'm wrong. That's his Superbowl... let him enjoy it, bro.

:~ohyah!:

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 03:11 PM
Nope - but you'll be the first person to agree with retarded decisions by the FO, authoritatively state players are too dumb to fit in a system (despite lack of any links or evidence), and state things you liked about games we should be winning but find a way to lose.

It is clear that Popps likes Mcd more than Broncos.

fontaine
11-07-2010, 03:17 PM
You owned him yay for you. Do you really have to repeat it like 7 times.

Act like you been there. ;D

Sure.

:approve:

frerottenextelway
11-07-2010, 03:18 PM
Who would trade Orton for Hillis straight up?

baja
11-07-2010, 03:19 PM
Who would trade Orton for Hillis straight up?

No

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 03:21 PM
Who would trade Orton for Hillis straight up?

In a heartbeat. Tebow and Hillis in the same backfield? Holy balls.

Gort
11-07-2010, 03:22 PM
I don't doubt that he played poorly for us last season. I watched it with my own eyes.

BS.

he was in for about 4-5 plays the WHOLE SEASON. you didn't see him play poorly because he didn't play under McD's regime.

you need to let go of your ego or pride or vanity or whatever it is that has you unwilling to admit that a) Hillis is a good gameday player, and b) the Broncos could have used him last year and this year.

some players are just better on gameday than they are at practice. maybe Hillis is one of those guys. i do know that he runs N/S, which we sorely need in Denver, and he puts his head down and grinds for yards.

he's not perfect. he'll make mistakes. but so does everyone. McD gave up on him too quickly and for reasons of stubbornness (we're not privy to any other reason), McD refused to put Hillis in the games the more the media asked about him.

he pulled the same crap with Tebow this year. laughing off any suggestions of putting Tebow in to run the ball down near the endzone. when he finally relented, guess what the results have been.

both Hillis and Tebow have suffered because McD is arrogant and stubborn. the difference is that McD drafted Tebow and he did not draft Hillis. that made Hillis expendable.

i don't know what the end result will be for the McD regime. i hope he turns it around and is successful. but somebody close to him has to pull him aside and tell him that one of his biggest flaws is assuming he knows everything and being stubborn about revisiting decisions he may have made prematurely.

Popps
11-07-2010, 03:22 PM
Who would trade Orton for Hillis straight up?

No, but I'd send them Quinn back and throw in Maroney.

:sunshine:

WolfpackGuy
11-07-2010, 03:24 PM
Who would trade Orton for Hillis straight up?

Nah, gotta throw some good picks the Brownies way too.

It's the way of doing business in Denver now.

Popps
11-07-2010, 03:26 PM
BS.

he was in for about 4-5 plays the WHOLE SEASON. .


He did play. Someone listed every play here and the result. You can look it up if you want. The other question would be... why so few plays?

If your answer is, "the coach is dumb".... cool. That's your opinion.


but somebody close to him has to pull him aside and tell him that one of his biggest flaws is assuming he knows everything and being stubborn about revisiting decisions he may have made prematurely.


The part in bold... I agree with. I think he's a hard-line guy, and that can come back to bite you in the ass. Or, it can trim fat off your roster. Just depends on the situation. But, I think we cut the cord on Smith way too fast, and with Hillis blowing up... it's more fuel to that argument.

Gort
11-07-2010, 03:28 PM
I don't know any fan who said he had no talent. I've yet to read that anywhere.

didn't MVPlaya say that Hillis was no talent and the only reason anybody here liked him was because he was white?

Popps
11-07-2010, 03:30 PM
didn't MVPlaya say that Hillis was no talent and the only reason anybody here liked him was because he was white?

Not that I recall.

Someone did say that, but that was long ago. Can't recall who it was.


I think we all saw how talented the guy was, physically.

frerottenextelway
11-07-2010, 03:32 PM
Who would trade their spouse for Hillis straight up?

Gort
11-07-2010, 03:36 PM
If your answer is, "the coach is dumb".... cool. That's your opinion.

my answer is "the coach is stubborn and unwilling to correct a mistake in judgement".

bpc
11-07-2010, 03:44 PM
my answer is "the coach is stubborn and unwilling to correct a mistake in judgement".

He's ARROGANTLY stubborn which makes the situation much worse. When our short-yardage was getting **** on last year and the fans were calling for Hillis, McD went out of his way to feed the ball to Knowshon and not give Peyton any opportunities.

The same could be said with his preference to get Cassel into Denver as his QB... and it was probably the same thing which ruined his relationship with Mike Nolan which led to his departure.

McD is the perfect storm of stupidity. He is so brash and has so much confidence in himself, he's bound and determined to show you he knows the way that it should be done best and even when a different option should be called upon, he will not let himself be proven wrong.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 03:47 PM
He's ARROGANTLY stubborn which makes the situation much worse. When our short-yardage was getting **** on last year and the fans were calling for Hillis, McD went out of his way to feed the ball to Knowshon and not give Peyton any opportunities.

The same could be said with his preference to get Cassel into Denver as his QB... and it was probably the same thing which ruined his relationship with Mike Nolan which led to his departure.

McD is the perfect storm of stupidity. He is so brash and has so much confidence in himself, he's bound and determined to show you he knows the way that it should be done best and even when a different option should be called upon, he will not let himself be proven wrong.

That's the reason i want Bowlen to fire him before the draft.
He ruined the team within couple of seasons..

WolfpackGuy
11-07-2010, 03:48 PM
Simms and Nantz praising Hillis.

He transcends his own game.

LOL

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 03:51 PM
Simms and Nantz praising Hillis.

He transcends his own game.

LOL

I think they don't know Hillis Sigma results..

Popps
11-07-2010, 03:52 PM
Hillis just scored again...

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 03:53 PM
Hillis just scored again...

Moreno is hurt again..

KipCorrington25
11-07-2010, 03:53 PM
This Hillis trade makes me sick to my stomach, McDaniels can't judge talent he gave Lamont Jordan carries over this guy it's disgusting.

rbackfactory80
11-07-2010, 03:54 PM
I am waiting for the Jim Brown comparisons. Guess you don't have to be smart when you are a human bulldozer.

THE719!
11-07-2010, 03:56 PM
can we all agree that mcdaniels is horrible when it comes to picking the right players not only that he has horrible soical skills when it comes to players and he is just a stubborn and ingorant lil bitch

cabronco
11-07-2010, 03:58 PM
Simms and Nantz praising Hillis.

He transcends his own game.

LOL


They are dumb commentators. They no nothing about football, its too complex for them. Signed McD

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 04:00 PM
This Hillis trade makes me sick to my stomach, McDaniels can't judge talent he gave Lamont Jordan carries over this guy it's disgusting.

as i said, that alone is sufficient for him to getting fired...
He keeps trading good players to other teams and gets average to below average players.

Archer81
11-07-2010, 04:10 PM
That's the reason i want Bowlen to fire him before the draft.
He ruined the team within couple of seasons..


Oh the horror...he "blew up" an 8-8 team.

Drama queen.


:Broncos:

broncosteven
11-07-2010, 04:12 PM
One team sure looks tougher and smarter. Wonder if Mangini is going to go fistpump berserker after wiping the floor with the Pats?

Mangini got that right also, apparently they had a very sportsman like handshake at the end of the game with no Sieg Heil's or victory laps by Mangini.

THE719!
11-07-2010, 04:14 PM
Oh the horror...he "blew up" an 8-8 team.

Drama queen.


:Broncos:

that 8-8 team had an offense that was growing all we need was a defenivse coach or someone could of gotton into shanny's head to tell him all we need is defense.... now look at us we need more then just a few of defense of players

elsid13
11-07-2010, 04:15 PM
Mangini got that right also, apparently they had a very sportsman like handshake at the end of the game with no Sieg Heil's or victory laps by Mangini.

Some might say Mangini finally figure out that he didn't need to everything/act like Belicheat to be successful in the NFL. Maybe our coach will learn that lessen soon.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 04:16 PM
Oh the horror...he "blew up" an 8-8 team.

Drama queen.


:Broncos:

now..we are 2-6..

Archer81
11-07-2010, 04:22 PM
that 8-8 team had an offense that was growing all we need was a defenivse coach or someone could of gotton into shanny's head to tell him all we need is defense.... now look at us we need more then just a few of defense of players


If the moon was made of cheese we wouldnt need cows milk. So trading a backup FB who blew his assignments somehow ruins the offense? Shanahan decided Slowik was the guy. After a 52-21 loss to SD in a game needed to win the division and go to the playoffs keeping the guy who was horrific at calling defense was inexcusable.

The fact 30+ players were released after 2008 and have found no other professional team dumb enough to sign them (including Shanahan's Redskins) I find the theory you put forward that all we needed was some defensive pieces faulty.

And it's gotten, by the way. And I am fairly sure you used it incorrectly anyay.

:Broncos:

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 04:25 PM
If the moon was made of cheese we wouldnt need cows milk. So trading a backup FB who blew his assignments somehow ruins the offense? Shanahan decided Slowik was the guy. After a 52-21 loss to SD in a game needed to win the division and go to the playoffs keeping the guy who was horrific at calling defense was inexcusable.

The fact 30+ players were released after 2008 and have found no other professional team dumb enough to sign them (including Shanahan's Redskins) I find the theory you put forward that all we needed was some defensive pieces faulty.

And it's gotten, by the way. And I am fairly sure you used it incorrectly anyay.

:Broncos:

Keep defending our hall of fame coach..

Archer81
11-07-2010, 04:30 PM
Keep defending our hall of fame coach..


So you tacitly agree that McDaniels has HOF potential.

I applaud your concession and facing reality. Baby steps.


:Broncos:

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 04:32 PM
So you tacitly agree that McDaniels has HOF potential.

I applaud your concession and facing reality. Baby steps.


:Broncos:

yep. HOF Coach for other teams..keeps trading our best players to make other teams better.

Archer81
11-07-2010, 04:37 PM
yep. HOF Coach for other teams..keeps trading our best players to make other teams better.


Keep crying about former Broncos players. I am sure they scan the Mane making sure you keep carrying water for them.

****tard.


:Broncos:

THE719!
11-07-2010, 04:37 PM
If the moon was made of cheese we wouldnt need cows milk. So trading a backup FB who blew his assignments somehow ruins the offense? Shanahan decided Slowik was the guy. After a 52-21 loss to SD in a game needed to win the division and go to the playoffs keeping the guy who was horrific at calling defense was inexcusable.

The fact 30+ players were released after 2008 and have found no other professional team dumb enough to sign them (including Shanahan's Redskins) I find the theory you put forward that all we needed was some defensive pieces faulty.

And it's gotten, by the way. And I am fairly sure you used it incorrectly anyay.

:Broncos:

and did that backup full back who ran 184 yards versus the pats get a fair chance here? no sir

am I saying we should of kept shanny? no sir

I bet if you find those 30+ players most of them are defensive players so that proves my point a little bit by saying all we need is defensive players as in drafting them

and McDaniels got his ass handed too 59-14 two weeks ago would you not agree if not the same type of defeat but worse when we got beat like a bad habit by the chargers? then would you agree McDaniels line is very thin at this point

Arkie
11-07-2010, 04:42 PM
I haven't watched Cleveland's other running backs take advantage of "one of the best lines" in the NFL. They haven't made the highlight reels. Looking at the stats, Davis and Harrison are both below 3 yards a carry. Mike Bell had 7 yards on 6 carries today. Do those huge holes disappear when somebody else gets the ball?

Archer81
11-07-2010, 04:46 PM
1.and did that backup full back who ran 184 yards versus the pats get a fair chance here? no sir
2. am I saying we should of kept shanny? no sir

3. I bet if you find those 30+ players most of them are defensive players so that proves my point a little bit by saying all we need is defensive players as in drafting them
4. and McDaniels got his ass handed too 59-14 two weeks ago would you not agree if not the same type of defeat but worse when we got beat like a bad habit by the chargers? then would you agree McDaniels line is very thin at this point

1. Yes he did. He not only did not impress, but wound up in the same spot the former coach had him in. A backup FB.

2. Yes, you did. Saying someone should have "gotton" into Shanahan's head about defensive coaches is you demonstrating that you prefer he would not have been fired.

3. On a 52 man roster you think 30+ players were all defensive players?

4. We have had a recent history (last 3 seasons) of having horrific losses to division opponents. The fact we lost to Oakland that badly is not something that makes me want to hug Dove Valley. I however will not use a single bad loss to determine whether or not McDaniels should be fired or completely withdraw my support for the team; as many members of this board seem eager to do.

:Broncos:

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 04:47 PM
1. Yes he did. He not only did not impress, but wound up in the same spot the former coach had him in. A backup FB.

2. Yes, you did. Saying someone should have "gotton" into Shanahan's head about defensive coaches is you demonstrating that you prefer he would not have been fired.

3. On a 52 man roster you think 30+ players were all defensive players?

4. We have had a recent history (last 3 seasons) of having horrific losses to division opponents. The fact we lost to Oakland that badly is not something that makes me want to hug Dove Valley. I however will not use a single bad loss to determine whether or not McDaniels should be fired or completely withdraw my support for the team; as many members of this board seem eager to do.

:Broncos:

**** you man..go suck mcd ****

wandlc
11-07-2010, 04:47 PM
I just watched Hillis' first TD run, he was hit by 3 NE defenders at the one and still made it 2 yds into the endzone. He is running with power, confidence, and instinct right now as a result of getting consistent work.

Archer81
11-07-2010, 04:50 PM
**** you man..go suck mcd ****


Wow. Let that anger out. Its not healthy to keep it all in.

On a side note, its interesting that if I disagree with you, which I obviously do, then I must be blowing McDaniels.

Cry some more though. Emotions are not to be feared.

:Broncos:

Popps
11-07-2010, 04:51 PM
I wonder if we complain enough, Hillis will come back?

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 04:51 PM
Keep crying about former Broncos players. I am sure they scan the Mane making sure you keep carrying water for them.

****tard.


:Broncos:

keep sucking Mcd ****..He would definitely hire you for cleaning his home when he vacates next year.

Archer81
11-07-2010, 04:53 PM
keep sucking Mcd ****..He would definitely hire you for cleaning his home when he vacates next year.


Thats it lil buddy. Let it all out. Soon you will realize Shanny and Cutler and Marshall and Hillis and Scheffler are gone. The sooner you accept this fact, the better off you will be as a person and a fan.


:Broncos:

THE719!
11-07-2010, 05:03 PM
1. Yes he did. He not only did not impress, but wound up in the same spot the former coach had him in. A backup FB.

2. Yes, you did. Saying someone should have "gotton" into Shanahan's head about defensive coaches is you demonstrating that you prefer he would not have been fired.

3. On a 52 man roster you think 30+ players were all defensive players?

4. We have had a recent history (last 3 seasons) of having horrific losses to division opponents. The fact we lost to Oakland that badly is not something that makes me want to hug Dove Valley. I however will not use a single bad loss to determine whether or not McDaniels should be fired or completely withdraw my support for the team; as many members of this board seem eager to do.

:Broncos:

1. Peyton Hillis is a backup full back in Cleveland? That’s funny because looking at the browns website it says he is the 1st running back.


2. Actually what I meant is, someone should have gotten into his head to tell him to draft wisely for defensive players however everyone knew Shanny would not change his stubborn ways and got fired, what should have happened. Instead of going after a defensive of minded coach, we went for an offensive of coach who put a hammer thru a nice corvette in the making

3. I said most of the 30+ players were maybe defensive players, not all

4. So you’re ok getting your ass kicked 59-14 without holding anyone to blame

gunns
11-07-2010, 05:05 PM
1. Yes he did. He not only did not impress, but wound up in the same spot the former coach had him in. A backup FB.

2. Yes, you did. Saying someone should have "gotton" into Shanahan's head about defensive coaches is you demonstrating that you prefer he would not have been fired.

3. On a 52 man roster you think 30+ players were all defensive players?

4. We have had a recent history (last 3 seasons) of having horrific losses to division opponents. The fact we lost to Oakland that badly is not something that makes me want to hug Dove Valley. I however will not use a single bad loss to determine whether or not McDaniels should be fired or completely withdraw my support for the team; as many members of this board seem eager to do.

:Broncos:

1. No he didn't. In 2008 he had almost the same amount of starts he's had with Cleveland and almost the same yards and TD's. So tell me why exactly he was sat? He had 1 fumble last year and he's sat for that? If we sat every player who ****ed up we'd couldn't field a team. Shanahan and McD react to players mistakes as if it only affected them and everyone's view of them. What neither seems to realize is how stupid they look when they react in that way.

2. My problems with McD right now are the same I had with Shanahan. Too offensive minded and needs to check his ego at the door.

4. No I do not want McD fired right now, it would be stupid. But see number 2, it's time for some humility and I hope to hell Bowlen has lit a fire under his ass, along with the players. It wasn't a single loss, I can't believe when I hear that. SF was a single loss, Jacksonville was a single loss. That debacle brought an immense lack of respect to a great organization and as bad as the Broncos have been in the distant pass, they never allowed that to happen and at least showed up for losses, at least acted like they wanted to win. Never, never in 40 years of being a Bronco fan have I seen them disrespect their organization and their fans like they did that day.

Archer81
11-07-2010, 05:09 PM
1. Peyton Hillis is a backup full back in Cleveland? That’s funny because looking at the browns website it says he is the 1st running back.


2. Actually what I meant is, someone should have gotten into his head to tell him to draft wisely for defensive players however everyone knew Shanny would not change his stubborn ways and got fired, what should have happened. Instead of going after a defensive of minded coach, we went for an offensive of coach who put a hammer thru a nice corvette in the making

3. I said most of the 30+ players were maybe defensive players, not all

4. So you’re ok getting your ass kicked 59-14 without holding anyone to blame


1. You cannot be this dumb. Shanahan had Hillis at backup FB. McDaniels likewise had him as a backup FB.

2. What you meant was that the Broncos were heading in the right direction, which means you agreed that Shanahan should have continued being the HC with a change of defensive coaches.

3. 30 players were cut from the Broncos roster. None of them have found jobs anywhere else. That is a horrific sign that Denver's depth in 2008 was non existant, and to create depth would require more than a couple of defensive pieces.

4. Clearly reading comprehension is hard for you. I will not base my opinion of a HC on a single game. Its not like the Raiders lined up and played the Denver McDaniels. It takes a certain level of suck to lose a game 59-14, which requires more than JUST bad coaching.

:Broncos:

vancejohnson82
11-07-2010, 05:10 PM
1. Peyton Hillis is a backup full back in Cleveland? That’s funny because looking at the browns website it says he is the 1st running back.


2. Actually what I meant is, someone should have gotten into his head to tell him to draft wisely for defensive players however everyone knew Shanny would not change his stubborn ways and got fired, what should have happened. Instead of going after a defensive of minded coach, we went for an offensive of coach who put a hammer thru a nice corvette in the making

3. I said most of the 30+ players were maybe defensive players, not all

4. So you’re ok getting your ass kicked 59-14 without holding anyone to blame

who are you?

Archer81
11-07-2010, 05:15 PM
1. No he didn't. In 2008 he had almost the same amount of starts he's had with Cleveland and almost the same yards and TD's. So tell me why exactly he was sat? He had 1 fumble last year and he's sat for that? If we sat every player who ****ed up we'd couldn't field a team. Shanahan and McD react to players mistakes as if it only affected them and everyone's view of them. What neither seems to realize is how stupid they look when they react in that way.

2. My problems with McD right now are the same I had with Shanahan. Too offensive minded and needs to check his ego at the door.

4. No I do not want McD fired right now, it would be stupid. But see number 2, it's time for some humility and I hope to hell Bowlen has lit a fire under his ass, along with the players. It wasn't a single loss, I can't believe when I hear that. SF was a single loss, Jacksonville was a single loss. That debacle brought an immense lack of respect to a great organization and as bad as the Broncos have been in the distant pass, they never allowed that to happen and at least showed up for losses, at least acted like they wanted to win. Never, never in 40 years of being a Bronco fan have I seen them disrespect their organization and their fans like they did that day.


1. Hillis only started in 2008 because EVERY OTHER BACK on the roster ahead of him got hurt. He could not beat out a converted ILB for starting FB. In fact it says more of the impression or lack of one Hillis made on the new coaching staff that they went out and got Jordan in the first place.

2. We agree. I think McDaniels would be better served hiring an actual offensive coordinator and to take a step back.

3. Apparently I need to completely write out what I mean when I say "single loss". I will not let a 59-14 loss ALONE determine what my opinon of McDaniels is. That game was so badly played on the field and managed on the sidelines that it would completely skew my opinion of the job McDaniels is doing overall.

:Broncos:

gunns
11-07-2010, 05:21 PM
1. Hillis only started in 2008 because EVERY OTHER BACK on the roster ahead of him got hurt. And did an excellent job. He could not beat out a converted ILB for starting FB. He could not, or wasn't allowed to beat out? Comes down to the coach AGAIN.In fact it says more of the impression or lack of one Hillis made on the new coaching staff that they went out and got Jordan in the first place. How brilliant was that, considering what Hillis had done in Denver and what Jordan had done the last few years? Sounds like a coaches ego AGAIN


I think the two things that make me the most furious with McD is trading Hillis for Quinn, and then giving up a 4th for Maroney. Something for nothing AGAIN.

Popps
11-07-2010, 05:22 PM
who are you?

:rofl:

broncogary
11-07-2010, 05:23 PM
I think the two things that make me the most furious with McD is trading Hillis for Quinn, and then giving up a 4th for Maroney. Something for nothing AGAIN.

What? You don't think Quinn's cute? ;D

WolfpackGuy
11-07-2010, 05:26 PM
Hillis was miscast as a fullback by both coaches.

He's a god ****** tailback!

DHallblows
11-07-2010, 05:27 PM
Hillis was miscast as a fullback by both coaches.

He's a god ****** tailback!

Don't forget his college coach

extralife
11-07-2010, 05:28 PM
this is becoming so embarrassing for sirhycnshduihsafgjknasdfjkgh that even popps is backing off for fear of being seen associating with the neanderthal

Archer81
11-07-2010, 05:28 PM
I think the two things that make me the most furious with McD is trading Hillis for Quinn, and then giving up a 4th for Maroney. Something for nothing AGAIN.


Hillis did not see the field as much in 2009 because he did not know the playbook nor made the right reads when he was in. McDanels would not dumb down the entire offense for one running back. What frustrates me the most is the overreaction Broncos fans have to players that are no longer part of the team. It is completely mind boggling to me that there are threads on this board with nearly official cutler/scheffler/hillis watch...who cares? Its done with. Arguing these same topics over and over is ridiculous and counter productive.

I get the feeling that if McDaniels did nothing to bring in RB depth people would complain about that too.

:Broncos:

TheReverend
11-07-2010, 05:30 PM
Hillis did not see the field as much in 2009 because he did not know the playbook nor made the right reads when he was in.

This is clearly true and factual and not a random, blind ass guess.

WolfpackGuy
11-07-2010, 05:31 PM
Don't forget his college coach

Well, they did have two first round picks in that Arkansas backfield.

He put up a 100 yard receiving game in Denver before being named starting tailback.

As for people calling him dumb, you don't play multiple positions as he did in college by being dumb.

Maybe he was TOO versatile.

THE719!
11-07-2010, 05:32 PM
1. You cannot be this dumb. Shanahan had Hillis at backup FB. McDaniels likewise had him as a backup FB.

2. What you meant was that the Broncos were heading in the right direction, which means you agreed that Shanahan should have continued being the HC with a change of defensive coaches.

3. 30 players were cut from the Broncos roster. None of them have found jobs anywhere else. That is a horrific sign that Denver's depth in 2008 was non existant, and to create depth would require more than a couple of defensive pieces.

4. Clearly reading comprehension is hard for you. I will not base my opinion of a HC on a single game. Its not like the Raiders lined up and played the Denver McDaniels. It takes a certain level of suck to lose a game 59-14, which requires more than JUST bad coaching.

:Broncos:

1. If so Hillis proved himself that he can be the 1st string running back before he got injured, now Mcdaniels should have know that by looking at type and etc, and used his talent more. instead of that he wasted a first round pick on knowshon, which could of been used drafting okapor and trading him away for a backup QB who is be hide a rookie.

2. broncos were heading in the right direction, and I did not disagree with Shanny’s firing nor did I think everything would of been better if we kept him by just simply changing defense of coaches. everyone knows shanny would not give up any decision making, so it was time for him to go. what we should of done after he was fired was hire a G.M and a defensive minded head coach.

3. Im not disagree with you all im saying his we just needed a few solid defensive drafts

4. im not either but his losses here are building up quite rapidly with all the off- season moves, do I think he needs to be fired now, no but he should be a thin ice already.

Archer81
11-07-2010, 05:34 PM
This is clearly true and factual and not a random, blind ass guess.


I would be interested to see how often Hillis is in on 3rd and 5 or longer in Cleveland.

But I suppose a blind ass guess would be better than the dissertations by some on this board of a conspiracy theory regarding McDaniels "hating" Hillis.

:Broncos:

Popps
11-07-2010, 05:35 PM
what we should of done after he was fired was hire a G.M and a defensive minded head coach..

That was my hope, too.

That said... no one has set the world on fire just yet.

Mangini was absolutely hated around here and the butt of all jokes. So, anyone who claims they would have wanted him in here is a total liar, or needs to provide proof.



This does turn up the heat on McDaniels, for sure. I like his overall plan... but when your running game is in the dumps and the guy you traded is tearing it up, the obvious questions are going to follow.

Wish Hillis was still here and that it could have worked out, but more so... I hope this team gets its own running game on track.

Arkie
11-07-2010, 05:36 PM
Don't forget his college coach

Hillis played some tailback before McFadden and Jones got there. He led SEC freshman tailbacks in TDs.

Archer81
11-07-2010, 05:37 PM
1. If so Hillis proved himself that he can be the 1st string running back before he got injured, now Mcdaniels should have know that by looking at type and etc, and used his talent more. instead of that he wasted a first round pick on knowshon, which could of been used drafting okapor and trading him away for a backup QB who is be hide a rookie.

2. broncos were heading in the right direction, and I did not disagree with Shanny’s firing nor did I think everything would of been better if we kept him by just simply changing defense of coaches. everyone knows shanny would not give up any decision making, so it was time for him to go. what we should of done after he was fired was hire a G.M and a defensive minded head coach.

3. Im not disagree with you all im saying his we just needed a few solid defensive drafts

4. im not either but his losses here are building up quite rapidly with all the off- season moves, do I think he needs to be fired now, no but he should be a thin ice already.

1. I'm done rehashing this argument. Its old.

2. No, Denver was not heading in the right direction. 24-24 is idling in neutral over 3 years. This argument is also old.

3. We needed more than defensive drafts. We had no depth.

4. Agreed.

:Broncos:

zdoor
11-07-2010, 05:38 PM
I would be interested to see how often Hillis is in on 3rd and 5 or longer in Cleveland.

But I suppose a blind ass guess would be better than the dissertations by some on this board of a conspiracy theory regarding McDaniels "hating" Hillis.

:Broncos:

You look ridiculous supporting this trade. No sane person would not want hillis back on this team. We obviously blew it. Reality sucks. Grow a pair...

gunns
11-07-2010, 05:39 PM
Hillis did not see the field as much in 2009 because he did not know the playbook nor made the right reads when he was in. McDanels would not dumb down the entire offense for one running back. What frustrates me the most is the overreaction Broncos fans have to players that are no longer part of the team. It is completely mind boggling to me that there are threads on this board with nearly official cutler/scheffler/hillis watch...who cares? Its done with. Arguing these same topics over and over is ridiculous and counter productive.

I get the feeling that if McDaniels did nothing to bring in RB depth people would complain about that too.

:Broncos:

SOB, half the Broncos didn't know the playbook. Why do we still have Orton if we were getting rid of players who did not know the playbook nor made the right reads when they were in? I do believe the threads are about mistakes made. What the hell else are we going to talk about that's going to be productive? I guess we could post about what we wish would happen but I think we all know what that is.....the Broncos would resemble a winning team and play like a team.

Gort
11-07-2010, 05:40 PM
1. Hillis only started in 2008 because EVERY OTHER BACK on the roster ahead of him got hurt. He could not beat out a converted ILB for starting FB.

can we kill this type of argument once and for all. Brady was a backup in NE to Bledsoe until Bledsoe got hurt. and the year before, as a rookie, Brady was the 4th string QB! therefore Brady must suck as QB. do you see how dumb the logic of these arguments are?

EVERYBODY starts out as a backup in this league. it's not a scarlet letter to be permanently attached to their resume.

what matters is what they do on the field when they get a FAIR chance. Hillis has proven that he belongs in the league.

i know he's gone. it sucks that he's not here showing our tippy toe and stutter step specialists how to run north/south. Moreno and others could learn something about lowering their heads and hitting a hole at full speed.

i just don't think it's credible to argue that Hillis didn't deserve a chance here... because... you know... he was only a backup. it's not a winning debate technique.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 05:40 PM
You look ridiculous supporting this trade. No sane person would not want hillis back on this team. We obviously blew it. Reality sucks. Grow a pair...

he will never understand..he keeps sucking Mcd..

worm
11-07-2010, 05:44 PM
This is clearly true and factual and not a random, blind ass guess.

If you post anything three times on the Mane...it becomes fact.

THE719!
11-07-2010, 05:44 PM
1. I'm done rehashing this argument. Its old.

2. No, Denver was not heading in the right direction. 24-24 is idling in neutral over 3 years. This argument is also old.

3. We needed more than defensive drafts. We had no depth.

4. Agreed.

:Broncos:

I'm done too..... good we found ground lol

Archer81
11-07-2010, 05:44 PM
You look ridiculous supporting this trade. No sane person would not want hillis back on this team. We obviously blew it. Reality sucks. Grow a pair...


Who said I supported the trade? Or oppose it?

Its done with. Crying about it wont bring Hillis back.


:Broncos:

Archer81
11-07-2010, 05:45 PM
he will never understand..he keeps sucking Mcd..


You seem to have some fetish about blowing McDaniels. You should probably contact a shrink or something.

:Broncos:

listopencil
11-07-2010, 05:47 PM
I don't remember if I posted in this thread and I'm not digging through 430+ posts to find out.

Hillis was an absolute stud late last year. A play maker when we desperately need one. He drove the offense with his running skills. The kid was just incredible. Going into this last off season there was a rumor that he wasn't going to be kept, I remember responding that if McD got rid of Hillis then he was a ****ing moron, or something like that.

This year he looks lost. I don't know what his problem is. It's easy to say that it's McD's fault for changing the system. That may be true. It's easy to say that Hillis might lack the mental ability to grasp what is asked of him, since we know that he practiced several positions. That may be true. It's also easy to say that Orton's "weak arm" has let the D cheat up and clog the running lanes. That also may be true.

What I know is true, what I have seen with my own eyes, is that Hillis has the potential to be very, very good. Right now the Broncos are not getting that out of him. It would benefit our team if they can find a way to do it. He proved that last year-and the people who claim that he didn't are, in my mind, either stupid or foolish.

Oh yeah, before I forget, love him because he's white? Horse****. Mindless horse****. Ignorant racism.


I'm just going to quote myself when this thread gets bumped.

THE719!
11-07-2010, 05:48 PM
the bottom line of this whole thread and the whole era of the denver broncos right now is that everyone has a different opinion and no one thinks anybody is right

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 06:02 PM
I'm just going to quote myself when this thread gets bumped.

I liked your post in another thread better.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2318383&postcount=73

Gutless Drunk
11-07-2010, 06:06 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/11/07/week9.snaps/index.html?eref=sihp

"Every time I watch Peyton Hillis run the ball, like he did for 184 tough yards and two touchdowns on Sunday, I wonder what in the world was it about his game that Denver head coach Josh McDaniels didn't like? I've heard that McDaniels questioned Hillis's toughness last year in Denver. But he looks tough enough to me. And even tougher to bring down. His rushing total on Sunday was a career high.

Meanwhile, Denver's so-called running game? Mostly tough luck this season. Cleveland gouged New England for 230 yards rushing, and had 404 yards of total offense against the shellshocked Patriots defenders."

listopencil
11-07-2010, 06:06 PM
I liked your post in another thread better.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2318383&postcount=73

Ah, thank you. That's the one I was thinking of and couldn't find.

TDmvp
11-07-2010, 06:22 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/11/07/week9.snaps/index.html?eref=sihp

"Every time I watch Peyton Hillis run the ball, like he did for 184 tough yards and two touchdowns on Sunday, I wonder what in the world was it about his game that Denver head coach Josh McDaniels didn't like? I've heard that McDaniels questioned Hillis's toughness last year in Denver. But he looks tough enough to me. And even tougher to bring down. His rushing total on Sunday was a career high.

Meanwhile, Denver's so-called running game? Mostly tough luck this season. Cleveland gouged New England for 230 yards rushing, and had 404 yards of total offense against the shellshocked Patriots defenders."

:thumbsup:

WABronco
11-07-2010, 06:42 PM
I didn't really think moving Hillis was a terrible ordeal, at the time. Doesn't look so good now. I'm not getting paid a **** ton of money to evaluate these guys, though. It's another black-eye for McD.

rugbythug
11-07-2010, 06:50 PM
Do we really have 79 Pages about Peyton Hillis? Did we do this with Reuben Droughns and Mike Bell too?

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 07:03 PM
Do we really have 79 Pages about Peyton Hillis? Did we do this with Reuben Droughns and Mike Bell too?

Now that you mention it, Mike Bell runs behind the same incredible run-blocking line and fullback. Only, he does it without the production.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 07:19 PM
Do we really have 79 Pages about Peyton Hillis? Did we do this with Reuben Droughns and Mike Bell too?

no..we are talking about moreno and his hall of fame career.

Popps
11-07-2010, 07:24 PM
Now that you mention it, Mike Bell runs behind the same incredible run-blocking line and fullback. Only, he does it without the production.

Did you really think Mike Bell was as good as Hillis?

I told you back in 07 that wasn't the case.

Selvin Young wasn't as good as him, either.

broncogary
11-07-2010, 07:26 PM
no..we are talking about moreno and his hall of fame career.

Well, I can already see Tuesday's headline, "Moreno Reinjures Hamstring." 8')

Popps
11-07-2010, 07:27 PM
Someone needs to change the video on the front page to Hillis.

theAPAOps5
11-07-2010, 07:28 PM
Knowshon, dancing with the stars, Moreno re-injures hamstring and sprains Mangina watching Peyton Hillis on Sunday. Film at 11

Arkie
11-07-2010, 07:32 PM
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Gutless Drunk
11-07-2010, 07:56 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/11/peyton_hillis_punishing_runs_k.html

The first thing Patriots coach Bill Belichick did after shaking Browns coach Eric Mangini's hand following Cleveland's 34-14 upset was seek out running back Peyton Hillis to comment on his stunning performance.

"He just said, 'Congratulations. I was impressed with you,' " Hillis said. "When you get a compliment like that from a great coach, it actually means something. Coming from a small town in Arkansas, growing up and watching this when you were a kid, it's just mesmerizing that you actually get to do it."

Hillis rushed for a career-high 184 yards on 29 carries and tied a career-high with two touchdowns. His 184 yards marked the ninth-highest total ever against the Patriots and the most since Ricky Williams rushed for 185 yards against them on Dec. 29, 2002.

"With Peyton, what we get is a guy who's going to run perfect footwork, he's going to run hard and he's going to run over people," said Browns left tackle Joe Thomas. "If we give him just a little crack, we know he's going to run guys over and get 4 yards minimum. As the defense wears down, he just gets stronger. In the fourth quarter, it's unstoppable."

Hillis, who averaged 6.3 yards, ran for 111 yards in the second half, keeping Patriots quarterback Tom Brady off the field. The Browns had the ball for 20:47 in the second half to the Patriots' 9:13. On the Browns' second-to-last drive, Hillis ran six times for 60 yards, including a 35-yard TD with 2:38 remaining that produced the final margin.

"Peyton's the best," said Browns quarterback Colt McCoy. "Him and I are really close, but at the same time, the guy's a heck of a football player. He understands the game. Things like this go unnoticed, but at the end of the game, he stays inbounds twice with a stiff-arm, getting the first down, keeping the clock rolling.

"Then all of a sudden, we hit a big one. He fires up the offensive line, the sideline gets fired up, the fans get fired up. It all starts with him. He played great."

Hillis began the game by hurdling Patriots safety James Sanders for extra yards on an 18-yard run. It led to a field goal and set the tone for his plowing through defenders and dragging them for extra yards.

On the Browns' second drive, after they recovered a fumble, Hillis smashed through the pile for a 2-yard TD that made it 10-0.

"The offensive line did a nice job today," Hillis said. "I couldn't have done it without those guys. They're opening up holes, and our coaches did a great job this week. We were expecting everything they were going to do."

On the Browns' third drive, Hillis bulldozed his way for 16 yards when linebacker Jerod Mayo ripped the ball out -- Hillis' fourth fumble of the season. Fortunately for Hillis, the defense forced a punt. The Browns came back to him on their next play, and he delivered the rest of the game.

"Against a team like that, you never can let off the gas," Hillis said. "If you want to be successful in life and in this league, you have to learn to let the mistakes fall behind you. We rebounded well today."

He also caught the longest pass of the game, a 29-yarder on third down that led to a fourth-quarter field goal. That time, he got the best of Mayo.

"We were scheming that all week," Hillis said. "We knew they like to play man in third down and short. We thought they'd bring a 'backer on me, you can do a stutter-and-go, beat them deep, stuff like that, and it just worked out to our advantage. They did exactly what we thought they'd do."

Hillis attributed the big day, in part, to healing from his pulled quadriceps muscle, one that plagued him the previous three games.

"Having the two weeks off did wonders," he said. "I came out of it healthy."

Hillis, who was overlooked last year in Denver, now has 644 yards and a career-high seven rushing TDs. He's on pace for 1,288 yards and 14 TDs. He's scored a TD in every game this season except Pittsburgh.

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 07:59 PM
Shiat just got real

SoCalBronco
11-07-2010, 07:59 PM
I really miss that kid. I'm glad he's dominating. He definitely deserves good things to come his way. He's a stud, hopefully he makes the Pro Bowl this year.

http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/peytonhillis.jpg

WolfpackGuy
11-07-2010, 08:03 PM
Seems more and more like the Broncos were too dumb for him.

Keep tearing it up, Hillis.

gunns
11-07-2010, 08:04 PM
Show me one place I ever said he had no physical talent.

I'll save you the trouble, you won't find it.

I was the first one to call for him as a starter when he was seeing time back in 07.

Were you talking about Hillis here? He was drafted in 2008.

Popps
11-07-2010, 08:06 PM
Were you talking about Hillis here? He was drafted in 2008.

My bad, 08. (Rookie season.)

Popps
11-07-2010, 08:07 PM
I really miss that kid. I'm glad he's dominating. He definitely deserves good things to come his way. He's a stud, hopefully he makes the Pro Bowl this year.

http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/peytonhillis.jpg

Outside of the comedy value, I rarely care what ex-Broncos are doing.

But, I have to admit... I'll root for the guy to succeed. It's too fun to watch him run not to.

Plus, he's a Brown... and they're relatively harmless.

baja
11-07-2010, 08:11 PM
Even if we were to win out this decision will go down in infamy

Steve Prefontaine
11-07-2010, 08:14 PM
Yep, too bad he couldn't do his job in our offense. I like watching him run.

And too bad they couldn't find a fit for him.

lostknight
11-07-2010, 08:16 PM
Plus, he's a Brown... and they're relatively harmless.

You do realize that they have a better record then we have right now, right?

Colt McCoy and Peyton Hillis are giving that unassuming blob of a team a identity real damn quick.

go_broncos
11-07-2010, 08:35 PM
Outside of the comedy value, I rarely care what ex-Broncos are doing.

But, I have to admit... I'll root for the guy to succeed. It's too fun to watch him run not to.

Plus, he's a Brown... and they're relatively harmless.

Keep supporting Mcd..

Dr. Broncenstein
11-07-2010, 08:45 PM
You do realize that they have a better record then we have right now, right?

Colt McCoy and Peyton Hillis are giving that unassuming blob of a team a identity real damn quick.

Hillis had almost 10 yards / carry on six attempts vs 8 in the box... against a team that allows 1.3 / carry with a stacked front. The Pats knew what was coming and couldn't stop it. McCoy passed off the run and made plays when needed with his mobility. I've already said this, but the Browns that played today can beat any team in the league. Should be self explanatory when you have a team that can run at will, plays solid defense, and has a guy like Josh Cribbs for special teams / wildcat / redzone situations.

broncosteven
11-07-2010, 08:54 PM
"Peyton's the best," said Browns quarterback Colt McCoy. "Him and I are really close, but at the same time, the guy's a heck of a football player. He understands the game. Things like this go unnoticed, but at the end of the game, he stays inbounds twice with a stiff-arm, getting the first down, keeping the clock rolling.

"Then all of a sudden, we hit a big one. He fires up the offensive line, the sideline gets fired up, the fans get fired up. It all starts with him. He played great."

Hillis began the game by hurdling Patriots safety James Sanders for extra yards on an 18-yard run. It led to a field goal and set the tone for his plowing through defenders and dragging them for extra yards.

On the Browns' second drive, after they recovered a fumble, Hillis smashed through the pile for a 2-yard TD that made it 10-0.

"The offensive line did a nice job today," Hillis said. "I couldn't have done it without those guys. They're opening up holes, and our coaches did a great job this week. We were expecting everything they were going to do."

On the Browns' third drive, Hillis bulldozed his way for 16 yards when linebacker Jerod Mayo ripped the ball out -- Hillis' fourth fumble of the season. Fortunately for Hillis, the defense forced a punt. The Browns came back to him on their next play, and he delivered the rest of the game.

"Against a team like that, you never can let off the gas," Hillis said. "If you want to be successful in life and in this league, you have to learn to let the mistakes fall behind you. We rebounded well today."

He also caught the longest pass of the game, a 29-yarder on third down that led to a fourth-quarter field goal. That time, he got the best of Mayo.

"We were scheming that all week," Hillis said. "We knew they like to play man in third down and short. We thought they'd bring a 'backer on me, you can do a stutter-and-go, beat them deep, stuff like that, and it just worked out to our advantage. They did exactly what we thought they'd do."

Hillis attributed the big day, in part, to healing from his pulled quadriceps muscle, one that plagued him the previous three games.

"Having the two weeks off did wonders," he said. "I came out of it healthy."

Hillis, who was overlooked last year in Denver, now has 644 yards and a career-high seven rushing TDs. He's on pace for 1,288 yards and 14 TDs. He's scored a TD in every game this season except Pittsburgh.

Doesn't sound like a guy who doesn't understand football.

Sounds like a great teamate too.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
11-07-2010, 08:56 PM
And too bad they couldn't find a fit for him.

Its one thing to get a pro-bowler and waste his talent its another to possible give away pro bowl talent.

broncosteven
11-07-2010, 08:57 PM
Seems more and more like the Broncos were too dumb for him.

Keep tearing it up, Hillis.

REP!

It is not like they are trying to send a man to the moon and returning them safely to the Earth.

Just gameplan, make some daylight up front and run over the dude who tries to stop you.

Pony Boy
11-07-2010, 08:57 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/11/peyton_hillis_punishing_runs_k.html

The first thing Patriots coach Bill Belichick did after shaking Browns coach Eric Mangini's hand following Cleveland's 34-14 upset was seek out running back Peyton Hillis to comment on his stunning performance."He just said, 'Congratulations. I was impressed with you,' " Hillis said. "When you get a compliment like that from a great coach, it actually means something. Coming from a small town in Arkansas, growing up and watching this when you were a kid, it's just mesmerizing that you actually get to do it.".

So do you think Belichick would think Hill's is smart enough to play for the Pats......

theAPAOps5
11-07-2010, 08:57 PM
Doesn't sound like a guy who doesn't understand football.

Sounds like a great teamate too.

Man I totally agree. I was a huge McD supporter but Hillis is putting some major egg on McD's face.

theAPAOps5
11-07-2010, 08:59 PM
So do you think Belichick would think Hill's is smart enough to play for the Pats......

Actually, no he wouldn't but he has a track record and results to support him. McD was a great OC who looks to be a Head Coach who was promoted WAY too soon.

broncosteven
11-07-2010, 09:02 PM
Man I totally agree. I was a huge McD supporter but Hillis is putting some major egg on McD's face.

I am hoping mCd turns it around yet this year, with KFC losing the division is still there but now we need another 6-0 run to get back in it. Losing sucks.

Maybe KFC will be down after letting one get away and they are on their own 3 game slide so if we play like we did vs Jets we could win this one.

The season isn't over yet, it just feels like it is.