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oubronco
11-23-2009, 06:35 PM
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DENVER -- Remember the Denver Broncos?

They had a six-pack of wins to start the season. Beat the likes of Cincinnati, Dallas, New England, San Diego. Had a 3-game lead in the AFC West.

That was before the abduction. Someone replaced those Broncos with these Broncos. These Broncos play like they have an endorsement deal with Sominex. They slept through Sunday's 32-3 loss to the San Diego Chargers, and no one is sure when -- or if -- they'll ever awaken.

I'll beat the holiday rush. The Broncos are History Channel. They're done. I'm declaring them unofficially eliminated from the playoff equation with a half-dozen games remaining.

"We definitely have to find some answers fast," said Broncos safety Renaldo Hill.

Why bother? The Broncos' record says 6-4 --wild-card material -- but their November says 0-4. The way they're playing these days, I'm surprised they didn't lose on their bye week.

The Chargers, once 2-3, have overtaken Denver in the AFC West standings. Just like they did last season. The Broncos missed the playoffs in excruciating fashion in 2008; they'll miss them in excruciating fashion in 2009.

"We knew it was a long season and things happen," said Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson.

This is true. For example, not every Broncos player grabbed a feather pillow and had nap time Sunday. Wide receiver Brandon Marshall's mouth was wide awake during and after the game. During the game he did a verbal scorch job on rookie running back Knowshon Moreno, whose second-quarter fumble at the Chargers' goal line cost Denver a touchdown. And afterward, Marshall aimed fingers at himself and at his teammates.

"I don't regret anything," he said. "This is a playoff game. There were guys who were on the sideline who weren't angry, who didn't have a lot of emotion and they need to look at themselves in the mirror.

"This is a game where you've got to have it."

The Broncos didn't have anything, especially it. Marshall was good for three catches and 26 yards. Moreno finished with 80 yards and that killer fumble. They had the ball nearly 16 minutes less than the Chargers.

"This is probably the most frustrating game I've played in," Marshall said. "I approached it like a playoff game."

So did the Chargers, who somehow lost to the Broncos a month ago in San Diego. But the Chargers, who have won five in a row, aren't the same team. And the Broncos, unbeaten in September and October, have misplaced their mojo.

"We can't sit back and mourn," Hill said.

Mourn, no. Yell at each other, yes.

Moreno's fumble could have cut a 13-0 Chargers lead to 13-7 at halftime. Marshall knew that, which is why he confronted the rookie.

"Maybe I handled it wrong; we'll see," Marshall said.

"Nothing big, just everyone heated," Moreno said. "Nothing long-term. Just heat of the moment."

As the afternoon temperatures dropped from the low 50s to the 30s, so did the number of Broncos fans at Invesco Field. There were blotches of empty seats as early as halftime, but the actual "I'm getting out of here" moment came late in the third quarter.

That's when the Broncos, trailing 20-3 and in full desperation mode, went for it on fourth-and-5 at the San Diego 40-yard line -- and whiffed.

Commence the evacuation.

From first place to frustration; that's the Broncos. They did it in less than a month and with stunning ease.

"I'll start as I have the last few weeks," said Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, before detailing --again -- the list of weekly errors by his team. The short version: They're shopping at Costco and buying mistakes in bulk.

At least this time the Broncos aren't waiting until the final three weeks of the season to wet themselves. Like Thanksgiving Day turkeys, the Broncos are cooked.

Speaking of Thanksgiving, the Broncos play again Thursday, this time against the New York Giants.

"It's probably the best thing about this," McDaniels said.

Sure it is. Hello, 6-5.

Then the Broncos go to Kansas City, where the Chiefs just beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. Six and 6.

Then they travel to Indianapolis for a Manning-oscopy. Six and 7.

After that, they play Oakland. Seven and 7. Maybe.

A trip to Philly won't be much fun. Seven and 8.

Then the Chiefs come here. Eight and 8. Maybe.

Anyway, it won't be enough. Not with the Steelers, Baltimore Ravens, Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars and Miami Dolphins in the playoff martini shaker. And not the way the Broncos are phoning it in these days.

Actually, that's not fair. Kyle Orton and his sprained left ankle limped off the Broncos' sideline to replace starter Chris Simms with 4 minutes, 19 seconds remaining in the first half. Simms was only in the lineup because Orton's ankle was the size of a state fair pumpkin. It was Simms' first start since September 2006, and he played like it.

Simms was awful. He completed 2 of 4 passes for 10 yards, was sacked twice and fumbled once before McDaniels handed him a boarding pass to the bench.

"I just didn't have the greatest day of my life," Simms said.

What does it say about the state of the Broncos when a quarterback playing on one ankle and barely any practice time is better than Simms playing on two ankles and with a full week's worth of prep time?

And yet, when asked if getting the hook in the second quarter surprised him, Simms said "I wasn't expecting it."

The Broncos think they can fix whatever is wrong. But here's the problem: They can't even articulate what's wrong. And if they could, they don't seem capable of being able to repair it.

"It's going to take all of us being honest with ourselves," Hill said.

Honestly? It's over.

By Gene Wojciechowski


WOW **** wojahuganutta

SJ Bronco
11-23-2009, 07:12 PM
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DENVER -- Remember the Denver Broncos?

They had a six-pack of wins to start the season. Beat the likes of Cincinnati, Dallas, New England, San Diego. Had a 3-game lead in the AFC West.

That was before the abduction. Someone replaced those Broncos with these Broncos. These Broncos play like they have an endorsement deal with Sominex. They slept through Sunday's 32-3 loss to the San Diego Chargers, and no one is sure when -- or if -- they'll ever awaken.

I'll beat the holiday rush. The Broncos are History Channel. They're done. I'm declaring them unofficially eliminated from the playoff equation with a half-dozen games remaining.

"We definitely have to find some answers fast," said Broncos safety Renaldo Hill.

Why bother? The Broncos' record says 6-4 --wild-card material -- but their November says 0-4. The way they're playing these days, I'm surprised they didn't lose on their bye week.

The Chargers, once 2-3, have overtaken Denver in the AFC West standings. Just like they did last season. The Broncos missed the playoffs in excruciating fashion in 2008; they'll miss them in excruciating fashion in 2009.

"We knew it was a long season and things happen," said Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson.

This is true. For example, not every Broncos player grabbed a feather pillow and had nap time Sunday. Wide receiver Brandon Marshall's mouth was wide awake during and after the game. During the game he did a verbal scorch job on rookie running back Knowshon Moreno, whose second-quarter fumble at the Chargers' goal line cost Denver a touchdown. And afterward, Marshall aimed fingers at himself and at his teammates.

"I don't regret anything," he said. "This is a playoff game. There were guys who were on the sideline who weren't angry, who didn't have a lot of emotion and they need to look at themselves in the mirror.

"This is a game where you've got to have it."

The Broncos didn't have anything, especially it. Marshall was good for three catches and 26 yards. Moreno finished with 80 yards and that killer fumble. They had the ball nearly 16 minutes less than the Chargers.

"This is probably the most frustrating game I've played in," Marshall said. "I approached it like a playoff game."

So did the Chargers, who somehow lost to the Broncos a month ago in San Diego. But the Chargers, who have won five in a row, aren't the same team. And the Broncos, unbeaten in September and October, have misplaced their mojo.

"We can't sit back and mourn," Hill said.

Mourn, no. Yell at each other, yes.

Moreno's fumble could have cut a 13-0 Chargers lead to 13-7 at halftime. Marshall knew that, which is why he confronted the rookie.

"Maybe I handled it wrong; we'll see," Marshall said.

"Nothing big, just everyone heated," Moreno said. "Nothing long-term. Just heat of the moment."

As the afternoon temperatures dropped from the low 50s to the 30s, so did the number of Broncos fans at Invesco Field. There were blotches of empty seats as early as halftime, but the actual "I'm getting out of here" moment came late in the third quarter.

That's when the Broncos, trailing 20-3 and in full desperation mode, went for it on fourth-and-5 at the San Diego 40-yard line -- and whiffed.

Commence the evacuation.

From first place to frustration; that's the Broncos. They did it in less than a month and with stunning ease.

"I'll start as I have the last few weeks," said Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, before detailing --again -- the list of weekly errors by his team. The short version: They're shopping at Costco and buying mistakes in bulk.

At least this time the Broncos aren't waiting until the final three weeks of the season to wet themselves. Like Thanksgiving Day turkeys, the Broncos are cooked.

Speaking of Thanksgiving, the Broncos play again Thursday, this time against the New York Giants.

"It's probably the best thing about this," McDaniels said.

Sure it is. Hello, 6-5.

Then the Broncos go to Kansas City, where the Chiefs just beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. Six and 6.

Then they travel to Indianapolis for a Manning-oscopy. Six and 7.

After that, they play Oakland. Seven and 7. Maybe.

A trip to Philly won't be much fun. Seven and 8.

Then the Chiefs come here. Eight and 8. Maybe.

Anyway, it won't be enough. Not with the Steelers, Baltimore Ravens, Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars and Miami Dolphins in the playoff martini shaker. And not the way the Broncos are phoning it in these days.

Actually, that's not fair. Kyle Orton and his sprained left ankle limped off the Broncos' sideline to replace starter Chris Simms with 4 minutes, 19 seconds remaining in the first half. Simms was only in the lineup because Orton's ankle was the size of a state fair pumpkin. It was Simms' first start since September 2006, and he played like it.

Simms was awful. He completed 2 of 4 passes for 10 yards, was sacked twice and fumbled once before McDaniels handed him a boarding pass to the bench.

"I just didn't have the greatest day of my life," Simms said.

What does it say about the state of the Broncos when a quarterback playing on one ankle and barely any practice time is better than Simms playing on two ankles and with a full week's worth of prep time?

And yet, when asked if getting the hook in the second quarter surprised him, Simms said "I wasn't expecting it."

The Broncos think they can fix whatever is wrong. But here's the problem: They can't even articulate what's wrong. And if they could, they don't seem capable of being able to repair it.

"It's going to take all of us being honest with ourselves," Hill said.

Honestly? It's over.

By Gene Wojciechowski


WOW **** wojahuganutta

I don't agree. I think this game will wake them the hell up. I think they have to take a look in the mirror quickly, and point some fingers. The quick turn around i think benefits us too. They are still angry and will take it out on a mediocre Giants team. I think KC will come back to earth by then, and Philly never was that good. They should have lost this week. The colts will dust that ass probably, but you never know. I think 10-6 still at worst. This team isn't bad, they are just dealing with adversity. When your 6-0, your not forced to look at your weaknesses, and it caught up to them faster than they could adjust. Then again, lately I've been accused of being an irrational optimist who has his head up his ass. Maybe, but at least I am happy and have a game to look forward too this turkey day.:afro:

orinjkrush
11-23-2009, 07:23 PM
sometimes teams implode. maybe they're tired or emotionally exhausted or don't believe in the "system" anymore. this team is like the birth of a black hole.

Soul-Bronco
11-23-2009, 07:25 PM
6-4 man what a crappy record, its like we are the worst team in the nfl

Oh wait we are one game back from the divison and in the playoff race. . . . . . . . man the EMO is just flourishing on these boards lately

SJ Bronco
11-23-2009, 07:36 PM
6-4 man what a crappy record, its like we are the worst team in the nfl

Oh wait we are one game back from the divison and in the playoff race. . . . . . . . man the EMO is just flourishing on these boards lately

Emo...Ha!ROFL!

DenverBrit
11-23-2009, 07:39 PM
Gene Wojciechowski?? Ha!

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Los Broncos
11-23-2009, 07:43 PM
Oh no what will we do, roll over and die? don't think so...

SJ Bronco
11-23-2009, 07:46 PM
Oh no what will we do, roll over and die? don't think so...

Sorry...Gene Wahooojamacalit said so...we have to quit now...

Los Broncos
11-23-2009, 07:49 PM
Sorry...Gene Wahooojamacalit said so...we have to quit now...

Might as well think about the draft now we have been written off.

bombay
11-23-2009, 07:51 PM
Oh good. Maybe those who have given up on this team will go away.

Broncomutt
11-23-2009, 07:52 PM
6-4 man what a crappy record, its like we are the worst team in the nfl

Oh wait we are one game back from the divison and in the playoff race. . . . . . . . man the EMO is just flourishing on these boards lately

Is this really about the record? Or is it about another collapse?

On paper, the record looks quite competitive, I agree. But do we honestly look like the same team that played NE, Dallas or San Diego earlier this year?

The team IS regressing. That's not really emo, that's just common sense right now.

Hopefully somebody is working hard on it. :pray:

SJ Bronco
11-23-2009, 08:00 PM
Is this really about the record? Or is it about another collapse?

On paper, the record looks quite competitive, I agree. But do we honestly look like the same team that played NE, Dallas or San Diego earlier this year?

The team IS regressing. That's not really emo, that's just common sense right now.

Hopefully somebody is working hard on it. :pray:

hey, pray, sacrifice a goat...whatever, but we went from 6-0 to 6-4, we can just as easily rip another 6 in a row as we can lose the next 6. Why resign yourself to believing the latter.

chadta
11-23-2009, 08:07 PM
Emo...Ha!ROFL!

i thought we traded the emo to chicago for orton and some nice picks

Soul-Bronco
11-23-2009, 08:11 PM
i thought we traded the emo to chicago for orton and some nice picks

we did, but his fans didnt get the memo

watermock
11-23-2009, 08:26 PM
i thought we traded the emo to chicago for orton and some nice picks

Nice picks, wrong choices.

Soul-Bronco
11-23-2009, 08:29 PM
Nice picks, wrong choices.

10 games into the season

Soul-Bronco
11-23-2009, 08:30 PM
off topic, anyone know if BJ raji has been productive? havent even heard his named mentioned

SJ Bronco
11-23-2009, 08:40 PM
off topic, anyone know if BJ raji has been productive? havent even heard his named mentioned

My buddy has him in his fantasy league...gets him a few points...other than that, i wasn't paying attention.

HAT
11-23-2009, 09:03 PM
hey, pray, sacrifice a goat...whatever, but we went from 6-0 to 6-4, we can just as easily rip another 6 in a row as we can lose the next 6. Why resign yourself to believing the latter.

This....4 game losing streaks are never fun but to tell you the truth I'm liking the way this is working out from a scheduling point of view.

Plenty of time to turn things around and head into the PO's on a hot streak. The Washington game still stings but injuries happen.

Other than that....things are going about as I expected them to going back to last summer (Just in a different order)


Denver split with SD, as predicted
Denver has not lost to another AFCW team sans SD, as predicted.
Denver has split with the NFCE, as predicted.
Denver has split with the AFCN, as predicted.

My final prediction had them splitting the remaining 2 games between NE & Indy and they are on pace to do at least that.