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Tombstone RJ
11-23-2009, 12:13 PM
You grew up playing football. You know how to win.

How do you win when you don't have the best talent? EXECUTION.

KNOWING YOUR ASSIGNMENT/JOB
EXECUTING YOUR ASSIGMENT/JOB
EXECUTION IN BLOCKING
EXECUTION IN TACKLING
MINIMIZING MISTAKES


That's it. That's all you have to do to win.

There is no doubt that the NFL is all about talent. This is what separates NFL players from college players and this is what separates college players from H.S. players.

That being said, when you don't have the most talented team, the only way you win is through execution and minimizing mistakes.

Run the ball on offense. Stop the run on defense. Don't fumble the ball and don't throw INTs on offense. Know your assigment on defense and tackle!

Get back to playing foundational football and executing the game plan.

broncosteven
11-23-2009, 12:17 PM
If it were that easy everyone would be doing it.

watermock
11-23-2009, 12:18 PM
I thought THAT was the plan.

Not trying 2 point conversions or onside kicks or 4 down tries inside midfield.

Better get the ducks in a row, another home game is 2 days away, we only have 2 left after that.

Tombstone RJ
11-23-2009, 12:19 PM
If it were that easy everyone would be doing it.

I'm guessing you've never played football.

broncosteven
11-23-2009, 12:40 PM
I'm guessing you've never played football.

Just what ever the park district offered. We lived in boonies growing up, moved around alot. A lot of those PD's only offered flag football back in the 70's, if they had any football program.

I was way too small for HS though. The HS jr-varsity football coach is the one that told me try out for X-country which I ran for a couple years until I got tired of puking after practices.

One year when I was in 6th grade we moved from Michigan where schools were k-6th grade to FL where schools were k-5 then 6-8th. I went from being a "senior" at michigan to lowest rung in FL. Michigan had a Flag football team for 6th graders. FL had full contact pads 6-8th grade, these kids were monsters and were chewing tabaco during practice and games. They kept their knives and weed in their cowboy boots.

Talk about culture shock! I kept to myself down there and I was glad we only stayed down there for 9 months.

Mr.Meanie
11-23-2009, 12:51 PM
Don't worry, I'll contact the FO so they can notify McDaniels to come read this thread. You may have just saved this season, sir.

baja
11-23-2009, 01:06 PM
I'm guessing you've never played football.

Maybe he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

Eldorado
11-23-2009, 01:09 PM
Whew. Glad we got that straightened out. I was getting worried.

Smiling Assassin27
11-23-2009, 01:10 PM
Stopping the run, in the NFL, takes talent and skill. You can have the greatest desire and heart, but if the guy opposite you is bigger, faster, stronger, or just better, your desire will keep you afloat for, maybe a half even playing fundamentally sound football. That's what you've seen the last 4 weeks. Desire, fundamentals, and scheme kept these guys in it for 30 minutes, but their lack of talent was too glaring to ignore over 4 quarters.

The front 7 will determine the future of this team's season. If we cannot stop the run defense, we are toast.

hades
11-23-2009, 01:17 PM
You grew up playing football. You know how to win.

How do you win when you don't have the best talent? EXECUTION.

KNOWING YOUR ASSIGNMENT/JOB
EXECUTING YOUR ASSIGMENT/JOB
EXECUTION IN BLOCKING
EXECUTION IN TACKLING
MINIMIZING MISTAKES


That's it. That's all you have to do to win.

There is no doubt that the NFL is all about talent. This is what separates NFL players from college players and this is what separates college players from H.S. players.

That being said, when you don't have the most talented team, the only way you win is through execution and minimizing mistakes.

Run the ball on offense. Stop the run on defense. Don't fumble the ball and don't throw INTs on offense. Know your assigment on defense and tackle!

Get back to playing foundational football and executing the game plan.

You also have to score more points than the other team.

tsiguy96
11-23-2009, 01:18 PM
top 3 rushing teams in the NFL have losing records. running the ball is the old way of winning.

PRBronco
11-23-2009, 01:27 PM
top 3 rushing teams in the NFL have losing records. running the ball is the old way of winning.

I'm kind of blown away by this. I hope I remember to re-check this stat at the end of the season, maybe the top rushing teams get stronger as the season goes on?

Smiling Assassin27
11-23-2009, 01:45 PM
top 3 rushing teams in the NFL have losing records. running the ball is the old way of winning.

Top 3 run defenses, however, are beasts:

Pitt
Cin
Minn

Taco John
11-23-2009, 01:57 PM
Here's some advice:

Call your tape boy up, and tell him you want to watch tape of only third down carries of both Moreno and Hillis. And when you're done watching it, ask yourself why it is that Shanahan was able to get such a beast out of the running game, and you can't even dress the guy, while your chosen back continues to feed Berger more punting opportunities and cost us points.

It's kind of a sick feeling for me to know that we have that kind of talent on the bench, while we're skidding for four games.

Popps
11-23-2009, 02:03 PM
Here's some advice:

Call your tape boy up, and tell him you want to watch tape of only third down carries of both Moreno and Hillis. And when you're done watching it, ask yourself why it is that Shanahan was able to get such a beast out of the running game, and you can't even dress the guy, while your chosen back continues to feed Berger more punting opportunities and cost us points.

It's kind of a sick feeling for me to know that we have that kind of talent on the bench, while we're skidding for four games.

Taco,

There's major speculation that Hillis has problems learning the plays, and isn't very coachable.

Shanahan used Hillis as an absolute last resort when he was forced into it. So, let's not pretend that "Shanahan got something out of" Hillis. Shanahan literally had no other choice.

Hillis is extremely physically talented. I thought he had a chance to be a feature back. Maybe he still does, but not if he can't do his assignments.

Moreno averaged 8 yards a carry yesterday, Taco. Why the constant crusade against the dude?

hades
11-23-2009, 02:07 PM
Moreno averaged 8 yards a carry yesterday, Taco. Why the constant crusade against the dude?

Fumblitus is my guess.

DBroncos4life
11-23-2009, 02:11 PM
top 3 rushing teams in the NFL have losing records. running the ball is the old way of winning.

Miami is .500 and they are even in the turnover battle. Carolina is -8 and the Jets are -6. The Saints right now are 4th in the NFL in rushing they are + 10 in the turnover battle. If you run the ball well and you get more turnovers then you give odds are you will have a chance to win every week like the Saints. Tennessee will jump NO tonight but still they are -3 in the turnover battle. Though during the winning streak I think they are improving in that area as well as running the ball better.

Taco John
11-23-2009, 02:16 PM
Shanahan used Hillis as an absolute last resort when he was forced into it. So, let's not pretend that "Shanahan got something out of" Hillis. Shanahan literally had no other choice.



There's no pretending. Shanahan got a LOT out of Hillis. He went on a streak where he was scoring a touchdown a game, and leaving dents in the other team while doing it.

You're right that Shanahan used Hillis as a last resort. But to say Shanahan didn't get anything out of that last resort isn't true. He got WINS out of Hillis. Regardless of whether he's hard to coach or not, Hillis proved to be a winner last year.



Moreno averaged 8 yards a carry yesterday, Taco. Why the constant crusade against the dude?

Because he's a two down back getting three down carries, and when he's in traffic, he has a tendancy to fumble the football or come up short of the mark.

I love him on first and second down. On third down, I love Hillis.

Tombstone RJ
11-23-2009, 03:32 PM
Stopping the run, in the NFL, takes talent and skill. You can have the greatest desire and heart, but if the guy opposite you is bigger, faster, stronger, or just better, your desire will keep you afloat for, maybe a half even playing fundamentally sound football. That's what you've seen the last 4 weeks. Desire, fundamentals, and scheme kept these guys in it for 30 minutes, but their lack of talent was too glaring to ignore over 4 quarters.

The front 7 will determine the future of this team's season. If we cannot stop the run defense, we are toast.

I agree to a certain extent. If the guy opposite me is bigger, stronger, faster and just plain better and he executes, then I'm toast.

However, football is the ultimate team sport in that it takes everyone executing the play for the play to work. 9 times out of 10 you will win every play if you execute better than the guy across from you.

However, 10 times out of 10 you will lose the play if the guy across from you is just flat out better, and he is executing better too.

Why did the Patriots win so many games? Simple: they executed their game plans AND they had talent. That is the winning combo in the NFL.

However, on any given Sunday, the talent across the league is pretty evenly distributed. That is, no one team is ALL that much more talented across the board than the other teams. So, it comes down to game planning and execution of the game plan. There is simply NO getting around this.

The Broncos, man for man, are talented. The defense has LESS talent than the offense, but it's still there. It comes down to making sure these guys do their jobs.

Don't fumble.
Don't jump off sides.
Don't throw INTs.
Don't commit stupid penalties.
Always get positive yards on runs.
Always wrap up when tackling.
Always protect your gap.
Always stay in your lane (on special teams).
Know your assigment, execute your assigment.

Stormontheplains
11-23-2009, 03:34 PM
Taco,

There's major speculation that Hillis has problems learning the plays, and isn't very coachable.

Shanahan used Hillis as an absolute last resort when he was forced into it. So, let's not pretend that "Shanahan got something out of" Hillis. Shanahan literally had no other choice.

Hillis is extremely physically talented. I thought he had a chance to be a feature back. Maybe he still does, but not if he can't do his assignments.

Moreno averaged 8 yards a carry yesterday, Taco. Why the constant crusade against the dude?


Shanahan ran the most complex offense in the nfl, took qb's 3 years to learn the system. We can go back to plummer stating the fax's with the game plan were 100 plays. So how can you state that Mcboogers system is more complex seeing as how orton and the rest of the O has picked it up fine? Also Shanny used hillis in the passing game a ton, would have been alot more barring the injury, so yes shanny did get more out of him, and the system crap is stupid. I would state he is not the starting back, but HE SHOULD BE situational at the least and very present in the passing game.

missingnumber7
11-23-2009, 03:37 PM
My advice to McD:

Act like you've been there. Stop celebrating every play like you just won the super bowl. We all know you are excitable, now settle down, be the calm composed coach you were in New England. I know there isn't a Tom Brady here and I know the pieces aren't the same, but you proved you can win with them. You got excited, and now you're not. Even keel.

colonelbeef
11-23-2009, 03:55 PM
top 3 rushing teams in the NFL have losing records. running the ball is the old way of winning.

That is kind of misleading though. You don't necessarily have to lead the league in rushing, but having balance, and the ability to run down the clock with 4-5 yard runs consistently is the key. Also, having a good QB.

The MVPlaya
11-23-2009, 04:11 PM
Yes, YOU and everyone here is EXACTLY who McDaniels needs advice from.

Not BB, not the people who surround him, but you idiots.

Damn, I hope he takes this advice so we can WIN! :rofl:

ZONA
11-23-2009, 05:54 PM
The game is still won and lost in the trenches for the most part. You have to win the battle of the LOS and you have to limit your mistakes. We really haven't done either the last 4 weeks. Yes, we have had some injuries to our big guys but right now I would say the biggest problem this team has is the inability of the offense staying on the field and producing points on a consistent basis. This is forcing the defense to play entirely way too many minutes. The only thing that will turn this team around right now is for the offense to start putting drives together and when they do get a good drive going, to stop killing themselves with penalties and turnovers. I think the defense can once again play like they were if they can reduce their on the field minutes and be inspired by the offense just a little bit.

oubronco
11-23-2009, 06:01 PM
There's no pretending. Shanahan got a LOT out of Hillis. He went on a streak where he was scoring a touchdown a game, and leaving dents in the other team while doing it.

You're right that Shanahan used Hillis as a last resort. But to say Shanahan didn't get anything out of that last resort isn't true. He got WINS out of Hillis. Regardless of whether he's hard to coach or not, Hillis proved to be a winner last year.





Because he's a two down back getting three down carries, and when he's in traffic, he has a tendancy to fumble the football or come up short of the mark.

I love him on first and second down. On third down, I love Hillis.

I'm with Taco get Hillis the damn ball

ZONA
11-23-2009, 06:06 PM
I'm with Taco get Hillis the damn ball

Dido, time to start going to Hillis a bit more. I would still start Bucky but I would now split the remaining carries with Hillis and Moreno. I'd actually like to sit Moreno for a game to drive home that crucial mistakes won't be tolerated.

oubronco
11-23-2009, 06:08 PM
Dido, time to start going to Hillis a bit more. I would still start Bucky but I would now split the remaining carries with Hillis and Moreno. I'd actually like to sit Moreno for a game to drive home that crucial mistakes won't be tolerated.

I'd just start Hillis and let him run over the Giants like a train WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

watermock
11-23-2009, 06:18 PM
To think Hillis is going to cure all at this point is silly.

Beavis doesn't even have plays designed for him.

Look at the one play given him. Nothing. The corner just moved up and stuffed.

It was telegraphed and slow.

Jesus, get a clue.

Dagmar
11-24-2009, 09:07 AM
Beavis doesn't even have plays designed for him.



Jesus, get a clue.

http://koltchak91120.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/double-facepalm.jpg

strafen
11-24-2009, 09:10 AM
You grew up playing football. You know how to win.

How do you win when you don't have the best talent? EXECUTION.

KNOWING YOUR ASSIGNMENT/JOB
EXECUTING YOUR ASSIGMENT/JOB
EXECUTION IN BLOCKING
EXECUTION IN TACKLING
MINIMIZING MISTAKES


That's it. That's all you have to do to win.

There is no doubt that the NFL is all about talent. This is what separates NFL players from college players and this is what separates college players from H.S. players.

That being said, when you don't have the most talented team, the only way you win is through execution and minimizing mistakes.

Run the ball on offense. Stop the run on defense. Don't fumble the ball and don't throw INTs on offense. Know your assigment on defense and tackle!

Get back to playing foundational football and executing the game plan.That's a moot point when you don't have a QB...

strafen
11-24-2009, 09:13 AM
I'd just start Hillis and let him run over the Giants like a train WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAccording to some morons here, Hillis shouldn't play. He "fumbled" his chances away.
Also, they think LaBum Jordan and LaBust Moreno are better than Hillis.

Why play a guy that every time he touches the ball it takes more than 2 guys to bring him down?

I agree. Time for Hillis to see some significant playing time.
McD is shooting himself in the foot

Tombstone RJ
11-24-2009, 10:08 AM
That's a moot point when you don't have a QB...

Orton may not be Tom Terrific but he is not as bad as many people here make him out to be. He's a solid but unspectacular QB. If he plays within himself then he is a very capable QB.

Again, it goes back to McD to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. And again, he's much, much better with a solid running game backing him up. There is no reason why the Broncos can't give Orton that running game.

Shift the focus away from Orton and put it on the running game. Focus the running game on Moreno strengths and use CBuck as change of pace RB along with Hillis.

Use all three RBs as passing threats out of the backfield but this will only work if the running game is a ligit threat and defenses have to game plan around Moreno.

SJ Bronco
11-24-2009, 10:32 AM
http://koltchak91120.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/double-facepalm.jpg

http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/triple.jpg

I had to see if there was a triple...ROFL!

rastaman
11-24-2009, 10:56 AM
Dido, time to start going to Hillis a bit more. I would still start Bucky but I would now split the remaining carries with Hillis and Moreno. I'd actually like to sit Moreno for a game to drive home that crucial mistakes won't be tolerated.

Agreed. I stated earlier that Hillis need touches and be allowed to contribute back in September and October. With Buckhalter's gimmpy knee and Moreno's rookie fumbles......McD will probably reluctantly allow Hillis some carries and touches just out of pure necessity.

missingnumber7
11-24-2009, 10:56 AM
http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/triple.jpg

I had to see if there was a triple...ROFL!

In the effort of oneupsmanship.

SJ Bronco
11-24-2009, 10:58 AM
In the effort of oneupsmanship.

Damn, I got owned....ROFL!

Tombstone RJ
11-24-2009, 10:59 AM
The triple face palm poster looks like a porno gone wrong...

missingnumber7
11-24-2009, 11:04 AM
Damn, I got owned....ROFL!

I've got a couple better ones too.

rastaman
11-24-2009, 11:06 AM
Orton may not be Tom Terrific but he is not as bad as many people here make him out to be. He's a solid but unspectacular QB. If he plays within himself then he is a very capable QB.

Again, it goes back to McD to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. And again, he's much, much better with a solid running game backing him up. There is no reason why the Broncos can't give Orton that running game.

Shift the focus away from Orton and put it on the running game. Focus the running game on Moreno strengths and use CBuck as change of pace RB along with Hillis.

Use all three RBs as passing threats out of the backfield but this will only work if the running game is a ligit threat and defenses have to game plan around Moreno.

McD should have used more "zone blocking" schemes for the O line as well as incorporating allowing Moreno to run from the I formation with a lead blocking FB like Larson. If any one recalls one running play in last Sunday's game, McD did call an I-formation where Larson was he lead blocking full back and Moreno riped of a 50 yard run! Larson layed the key block that allowed Moreno just enough crease for the longest run of his NFL rookie season.

McD needs to just do what works. Denver's O line is a zone blocking line and Moreno is much more effective with a lead blocking FB. Enough said.

missingnumber7
11-24-2009, 11:10 AM
McD should have used more "zone blocking" schemes for the O line as well as incorporating allowing Moreno to run from the I formation with a lead blocking FB like Larson. If any one recalls one running play in last Sunday's game, McD did call an I-formation where Larson was he lead blocking full back and Moreno riped of a 50 yard run! Larson layed the key block that allowed Moreno just enough crease for the longest run of his NFL rookie season.

McD needs to just do what works. Denver's O line is a zone blocking line and Moreno is much more effective with a lead blocking FB. Enough said.

The run with larson wasn't a Zone Blocking play it was a designed gap play.

SJ Bronco
11-24-2009, 11:14 AM
I've got a couple better ones too.

we need a face palm war thread.....I love these things...not much makes me laugh as hard as facepalm and the "not this shyt" pics

rastaman
11-24-2009, 11:17 AM
To think Hillis is going to cure all at this point is silly.

Beavis doesn't even have plays designed for him.

Look at the one play given him. Nothing. The corner just moved up and stuffed.

It was telegraphed and slow.

Jesus, get a clue.

Allow Hillis to get 15 runs and passes thrown his way and then see what his average is. The next time Moreno fumbles McD needs to sit him and put Hillis in there.

missingnumber7
11-24-2009, 11:23 AM
Allow Hillis to get 15 runs and passes thrown his way and then see what his average is. The next time Moreno fumbles McD needs to sit him and put Hillis in there.

I think you should be our next head coach. thwack

missingnumber7
11-24-2009, 11:26 AM
we need a face palm war thread.....I love these things...not much makes me laugh as hard as facepalm and the "not this shyt" pics

One more for ya.

colonelbeef
11-24-2009, 11:40 AM
Allow Hillis to get 15 runs and passes thrown his way and then see what his average is. The next time Moreno fumbles McD needs to sit him and put Hillis in there.

Royal and Hills have already demonstrated themselves to be capable players. How they are being so underutilized is concerning to say the least.