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Bronxfan
11-23-2009, 07:43 AM
YES.

Brian Orapko: 7 sacks, 24 tackles 10 assists 1 pass defensed

Robert Ayers:12 tackles ZERO sacks --1 fumble recovery for a TD


Knowshon Moreno: 600 yards 4.2 YPC 2 TDs 14 catches for 77 yards and 1 TD

Beanie Wells: 469 yards 4.7 YPC 4TDs 8 catches for 60 yards


YPC shows what each player is doing with their respective opportunities; it's clear that Wells is more productive. Orapko versus Ayers is not even comparable. And let's not even begin to discuss the failure that is the trading a #1 next year for Fonzie; he is being outplayed by so many rookie defensive backs it is hard to keep track

Conklin
11-23-2009, 07:46 AM
go back to lurking

LonghornBronco
11-23-2009, 07:47 AM
Yea, the thought has crossed my mind. I think playing time is a factor for Ayers and Smith though.

Rohirrim
11-23-2009, 07:48 AM
Ed Reed! Ed Reed!

Bronxfan
11-23-2009, 07:48 AM
go back to lurking

I am tired of the utter incompetence I have witnesed while lurking here.

Time to shine the light on you misguided kool-aid drinking amateurs........

Captain 'Dre
11-23-2009, 07:49 AM
Certainly would've gotten more production from Orakpo than Ayers.

I don't really think the team would benefit more from Wells than Moreno, however. Nothing wrong with Moreno that a more balanced offense wouldn't fix.

Bronxfan
11-23-2009, 07:51 AM
Certainly would've gotten more production from Orakpo than Ayers.

I don't really think the team would benefit more from Wells than Moreno, however. Nothing wrong with Moreno that a more balanced offense wouldn't fix.

That's fair. The problem is SD was rumored to have wanted him very badly and they would have picked him up had we selected Orapko instead of Moreno @ 12

Rohirrim
11-23-2009, 07:56 AM
We could have taken Ray Rice with that Fonzie pick and spent the first pick on somebody else that was better too. In fact, if I were to take a draft chart now and compare it to how all the players are playing, I could pick a better player to draft at every position. Man, that would be cool.

Bronxfan
11-23-2009, 08:00 AM
We could have taken Ray Rice with that Fonzie pick and spent the first pick on somebody else that was better too. In fact, if I were to take a draft chart now and compare it to how all the players are playing, I could pick a better player to draft at every position. Man, that would be cool.

Ray Rice? nice......

Play2win
11-23-2009, 08:00 AM
This kinda reminds me of a James Bond flick, say, Casino Royal(e)...

The Joker
11-23-2009, 08:01 AM
We could have taken Ray Rice with that Fonzie pick and spent the first pick on somebody else that was better too. In fact, if I were to take a draft chart now and compare it to how all the players are playing, I could pick a better player to draft at every position. Man, that would be cool.

You could do the same for 99.9% of players in the entire history of the NFL.

Rice was drafted the year before last btw.

HEAV
11-23-2009, 08:01 AM
This message is hidden because Bronxfan is on your ignore list.

Rohirrim
11-23-2009, 08:03 AM
You could do the same for 99.9% of players in the entire history of the NFL.

Rice was drafted the year before last btw.

Really? Time flies.

I was being sarcastic, btw. We need a sarcasm smilie.

gtown
11-23-2009, 08:05 AM
Orakpo is a starter. He is on the field a lot more than Ayers, so the comparison is not valid.

Moreno>Wells. Wait till Wells gets injured and Moreno learns how to hold onto the ball.

It's easy to second guess as an armchair GM. If I had my way I would have gotten Clay Matthews and Alex Mack.

Bronxfan
11-23-2009, 08:05 AM
This message is hidden because Bronxfan is on your ignore list.

Fine. Keep your head in the sand. It is orange tainted spin from the likes of you that makes this site worse than it was when I signed up in 2008. 32-3 kind of motivates one to become a little more active in opposition toward you kool-aid drinkers. McDanny-boy is as rotten as Mangini and Crennel.even after 4 straight losses(likely 5) you still are unwilling to acknowledge facts and trends....God Bless America.

Hercules Rockefeller
11-23-2009, 08:05 AM
We could have taken Ray Rice with that Fonzie pick and spent the first pick on somebody else that was better too. In fact, if I were to take a draft chart now and compare it to how all the players are playing, I could pick a better player to draft at every position. Man, that would be cool.

What?

Ray Rice- 55th overall in 2008
Alphonso Smith- 37th in 2009

McDman
11-23-2009, 08:06 AM
So has Bronxfan taken over the board's official douche bag posting position? You've got some tough competition in Broncofan7 and Broncoswarrior, but I think you may take the cake.

Good job, bud!

Rohirrim
11-23-2009, 08:06 AM
What?

Ray Rice- 55th overall in 2008
Alphonso Smith- 37th in 2009

Once again, my lack of perfection raises its ugly head.

The drafts of the past are all melding together.

Broncoman13
11-23-2009, 08:06 AM
We could have taken Ray Rice with that Fonzie pick and spent the first pick on somebody else that was better too. In fact, if I were to take a draft chart now and compare it to how all the players are playing, I could pick a better player to draft at every position. Man, that would be cool.

You're obviously not qualified to talk about this subject. Better luck next time.

Rohirrim
11-23-2009, 08:09 AM
You're obviously not qualified to talk about this subject. Better luck next time.

What subject? Applying Madden-thought to the real world? Hell, anybody can do that. Even people with half a brain could take go back to last year's draft and pick better players now. Even you could do it.

Bronxfan
11-23-2009, 08:11 AM
What subject? Applying Madden-thought to the real world? Hell, anybody can do that. Even people with half a brain could take go back to last year's draft and pick better players now. Even you could do it.

This is a legitimate topic. You chose to take it off course with your unhumorous posts showing that you really do not have a level of maturity worthy of posting in this thread. So see yourself out of this thread pronto..........

tsiguy96
11-23-2009, 08:12 AM
we should go back to every draft ever and talk about "what ifs", that really helps any situation.

ps, moreno is a far better back than wells, and it is showing (minus fumbles)

gtown
11-23-2009, 08:12 AM
What subject? Applying Madden-thought to the real world? Hell, anybody can do that. Even people with half a brain could take go back to last year's draft and pick better players now. Even you could do it.


I agree with you. We ****ed up by not getting Drew Brees and Ed Reed. Hell, we coulda had Tom Brady for a sixth round pick.

Bronxfan
11-23-2009, 08:14 AM
So has Bronxfan taken over the board's official douche bag posting position? You've got some tough competition in Broncofan7 and Broncoswarrior, but I think you may take the cake.

Good job, bud!

I could care less about those other guys or you. This is a legitimate topic--but go ahead and stay in lock step with the current Fuhrer and not question a thing.........

gtown
11-23-2009, 08:15 AM
This is a legitimate topic. You chose to take it off course with your unhumorous posts showing that you really do not have a level of maturity worthy of posting in this thread. So see yourself out of this thread pronto..........

If this is a serious topic, then I'll bite. I would rather have Orakpo and Moreno. Unforuntately, we did not have the picks to do that.

Rohirrim
11-23-2009, 08:15 AM
This is a legitimate topic. You chose to take it off course with your unhumorous posts showing that you really do not have a level of maturity worthy of posting in this thread. So see yourself out of this thread pronto..........

Now that we can look back and see that this guy might be better than that guy... blah, blah, blah. Legitimate? Go back to your Madden fantasy world.

Bronxfan
11-23-2009, 08:16 AM
I agree with you. We ****ed up by not getting Drew Brees and Ed Reed. Hell, we coulda had Tom Brady for a sixth round pick.

That just makes two idiots instead of one.........

tsiguy96
11-23-2009, 08:16 AM
i love how AFTER the draft, people talk about how teams are idiots for not doing this and that, but BEFORE the draft, its all about how its a crapshoot and can only make the best with the information you know.

Bronxfan
11-23-2009, 08:17 AM
we should go back to every draft ever and talk about "what ifs", that really helps any situation.

ps, moreno is a far better back than wells, and it is showing (minus fumbles)

How? look at the YPC.

cousinal11
11-23-2009, 08:18 AM
Certainly not giving up on any of our rookies, but I really wanted Orakpo.

Ayers is definitely a project. Time will tell.

I'd still take Moreno over Wells.

Rohirrim
11-23-2009, 08:19 AM
I agree with you. We ****ed up by not getting Drew Brees and Ed Reed. Hell, we coulda had Tom Brady for a sixth round pick.

I really wanted Shanahan to trade up for Troy Polamalu. Logan Mankins would have been nice too. Then we wouldn't have any issues at LG.

Meck77
11-23-2009, 08:27 AM
A mod should cross reference Bronxfan's IP/email with the now banned Broncofan7.

Lev Vyvanse
11-23-2009, 08:33 AM
A mod should cross reference Bronxfan's IP/email with the now banned Broncofan7.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2650758&postcount=8

Ramathorn
11-23-2009, 08:34 AM
I was at the draft. My heart sunk when i heard moreno at 12. I thought if we would have gona rb we would have gone wells. He is a beast. 1 cut runner without all the dancing moreno tries. We coulda had wells at 18 and used 12 on a better d player. What do i know?

Mr.Meanie
11-23-2009, 08:35 AM
The roaches come out when there's a fire...

TonyR
11-23-2009, 08:36 AM
Far too early to give up on Ayers, and I'd still take Moreno over Wells.

I suppose this topic is "legit" but it's silly to be so sure of which moves were "right" half way through these players' first seasons.

TonyR
11-23-2009, 08:38 AM
The roaches come out when there's a fire...

It is ridiculous how many obnoxious posters have surfaced after this game. This team deserves scrutiny and criticism but where were all these guys while things were going well? How do they expect to be taken seriously when they only show up now?

Hercules Rockefeller
11-23-2009, 08:40 AM
Far too early to give up on Ayers, and I'd still take Moreno over Wells.


No it's not. Rookies show in their 1st 10 games whether or not they'll ever become a player. There's no such thing as a project. Because Ayers has 0 sacks right now, I can confidently assert that he will never have a sack in his career (which will be short) because I can extrapolate out the future. Doesn't matter that he was always called a project, or that up until his deactivation this week, he'd done a lot of things very well that don't necessarily show up in the box score.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-23-2009, 08:45 AM
/yawn

Talk to me in three years when all four players have had time to develop.

yerner
11-23-2009, 08:54 AM
Mayoch thought Ayers would take 2 or 3 years but eventually be the best player from the draft. Its a very limited person that thinks a player is judged in 10 games.

McDman
11-23-2009, 08:54 AM
I could care less about those other guys or you. This is a legitimate topic--but go ahead and stay in lock step with the current Fuhrer and not question a thing.........

First, to call someone a fuhrer is moronic, and if anyone was a dictator/fuhrer, it was Shanny because he controlled everything.

It's alright to question some things, but this cannot be changed and what is the point of going back and pretending what would be if we drafted someone else?

Second, how about you wait a couple years before passing judgment. It's amazing how you can already define someone's career after ten games into their rookie career.

McDman
11-23-2009, 08:55 AM
It is ridiculous how many obnoxious posters have surfaced after this game. This team deserves scrutiny and criticism but where were all these guys while things were going well? How do they expect to be taken seriously when they only show up now?

Exactly, I'm a fan of McD, but he deserves plenty of criticism. I just think there's a better way to go about it.

supermanhr9
11-23-2009, 09:04 AM
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I CAN SAY YES ABOUT THIS QUESTION. Beanie is the man!!!! KNowshon is a fumble machine. I am so sick of it.

watermock
11-23-2009, 10:05 AM
McCoy/Cushing/Greene

DivineBronco
11-23-2009, 11:34 AM
I only scanned the thread but you while Orakpo clearly has skills he also is playing with the most talented defensive tackle of this decade he better be putting up good numbers

cmhargrove
11-23-2009, 12:08 PM
No it's not. Rookies show in their 1st 10 games whether or not they'll ever become a player. There's no such thing as a project. Because Ayers has 0 sacks right now, I can confidently assert that he will never have a sack in his career (which will be short) because I can extrapolate out the future. Doesn't matter that he was always called a project, or that up until his deactivation this week, he'd done a lot of things very well that don't necessarily show up in the box score.

James Harrison
Year sacks
2004 1
2005 3
2006 0
2007 8.5
2008 16
2009 10

cmhargrove
11-23-2009, 12:12 PM
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I CAN SAY YES ABOUT THIS QUESTION. Beanie is the man!!!! KNowshon is a fumble machine. I am so sick of it.

Wells has 3 fumbles, Moreno has 4.

WolfpackGuy
11-23-2009, 12:28 PM
I'm still lukewarm on Moreno, but a running back at 12 was not what the team needed.

They should've moved down with that pick to accumulate more players.

watermock
11-23-2009, 12:40 PM
Regardless, our drafts had never been better under the Godmans.
The '09 draft, 3 firsts, 2 #3s, nothing cept Morenoitis.

watermock
11-23-2009, 12:45 PM
The fact Denver had 3 #1s and 2 #3s make this draft epic FAIL.

period.

jhat01
11-23-2009, 12:57 PM
Moreno will be fine. He'll finish with over 1000 yards and half a dozen touchdowns. If his ypc stays above 4 it will be a fantastic rookie season. That fumble on the goal line was a fluke..should have held on yes, but a fluke. So a stat line like this:

"Knowshon Moreno: 600 yards 4.2 YPC 2 TDs 14 catches for 77 yards and 1 TD"

does not scream fail to me...It's not like the kid was a fumbler coming out of UGA. He's working through a rookie season and just needs to keep getting the ball.

Blueflame
11-23-2009, 02:18 PM
A mod should cross reference Bronxfan's IP/email with the now banned Broncofan7.

Thanks for the tip. Bronxfan was indeed Broncofan7.

Br0nc0Buster
11-23-2009, 02:25 PM
I actually thought Moreno has shown some life as of late
He needs to cut down on the fumbles, but the last couple of games he has looked good

Ayers is suprising
I really liked the pick and figured he would at least be in the rotation
I dont know what is up with him

NYBronco
11-23-2009, 02:26 PM
I am tired of the utter incompetence I have witnesed while lurking here.

Time to shine the light on you misguided kool-aid drinking amateurs........

Pass the kool aid.