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rooster-
11-22-2009, 09:53 PM
I've lurked here for years but I very seldom post. I'm a lifelong, die hard Broncos fan since the 70's but I spend most of my time commenting on a Nuggets board, mostly out of familiarity and force of habit. The frustration finally got to me today so I thought I'd chime in with an observation that I haven't seen previously addressed.

I think the most important play of the game happened with about 30 seconds left. The game was long over, the Chargers had a 23 point lead, and a 4th and 1 inside the 10. Instead of simply taking a knee to burn the final few seconds, like we've seen Shanny do countless times, the Chargers obviously had every intention of running up the score. That's a neophyte move, from a team and an organization who's still fairly unfamiliar with winning, much less winning with class. It's the epitomy of bush league and punk moves like that usually have a way of coming back to bite you. The Steelers pulled something similar a couple weeks ago against us, although far less egregious. Well, they've since gone on to lose their last two games, including today's embarrassment at the hands of the Chiefs.

I do believe in football karma. The Gridiron Gods have a way of setting things straight in the end(i.e. the Hochuli call, unfortunately) Remember when the 2007 Patriots smugly ran up the score every chance they got? Karma finally caught up to them in the Super Bowl. I was happy to see the Chargers arrogance take precedent over simple competitive decency. I think that one little late game decision could be a turning point. I hope McDaniels has it playing on a constant loop in the locker room. If these players have any pride whatsoever they'll use it as motivation. Unlike last years collapse which culminated in the final week of the season, we still have 6 games to right this ship. I just have a feeling that the Chargers are going to hit a rather large bump in the road. The Broncos have had some bad breaks lately, but as long as they can keep the lockeroom together then they'll put this past month behind them........starting Thursday.

BuckinKaeding
11-22-2009, 10:00 PM
Good luck with that. I think Karma caught up with McD for talking before the game.

boltaneer
11-22-2009, 10:15 PM
Good luck with that. I think Karma caught up with McD for talking before the game.

Yep.


The Patriots caught heat for "running up the score" during their 16-0 season but all you heard from players and former players is that the defense still needs to do their job.

It's not like they were still slinging it all over the field. They were just running up the gut and Denver's defense gave up. Blame your defense for quitting.

~Crash~
11-22-2009, 10:16 PM
Good luck with that. I think Karma caught up with McD for talking before the game.

That and his whole big head BS off season .

richpjr
11-22-2009, 10:16 PM
If you watched the game today, especially the 4th quarter, you'd see a team that basically quit. I'm not sure how much pride you should be counting out of them. As for keeping the locker room together, you saw the frustration starting to boil over on the sidelines with Marshall and Moreno. There was nothing stopping the Broncos from actually tackling Tolbert instead of letting him rumble into the end zone. I don't buy the karma thing.

uplink
11-22-2009, 10:17 PM
This karma changer is a good point. I think it says in 'the art of war' to never go farther than your intended mark. These football games are like battles. It shows poor discipline for the victor to run up the score, a sign of bad things to come lets hope.
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rooster-
11-22-2009, 10:19 PM
What because Shaun Phillips says so? Nobody knows for sure what McD said, what context it was in, or what was said to him. However, we do know that the Chargers employ the biggest trash talking lineup in the NFL. They're generally despised by most teams because of it. It's kinda curious why they continue it since they've never won a damn thing.

There is one thing that's absolutely not in question and that is the classless Chargers blatantly running up the score. Hell, I think Shanny even refrained from doing that against the Raiders. You know the Raiders? The team that half your fan base followed until about 5 years ago.

We'll check back in a few weeks and see if I'm right. I stand by what I said...... that move will come back to haunt the Chargers.

Broncoman13
11-23-2009, 03:53 AM
Yep.


The Patriots caught heat for "running up the score" during their 16-0 season but all you heard from players and former players is that the defense still needs to do their job.

It's not like they were still slinging it all over the field. They were just running up the gut and Denver's defense gave up. Blame your defense for quitting.

Agreed. As much as it hurts to admit, this team has given up. Never thought it would happen with McD at the helm. Just goes to show you I guess.

The real issue here is that we are talent deprived. Teams like the Chargers, Colts, Patriots, Steelers, and even the Giants and Cowboys can start slow and still have a very good season... b/c they have talent on their roster to right the ship. When schemes no longer are fooling the opposition and you have to count on winning one on one match ups, talent plays a bigger role as the season goes on. Med 12 used to always talk about that and pointed to the 2005 Broncos Defense. The first month or two of the season that defense was playing out of their mind. As the season went on the blitzes became less and less effective. Finally they were stymied and we lost in the AFCCG. We need a lot of talent to get this thing rolling. I was hopeful that we were on our way until seeing the last month of games with the rookies.

Broncoman13
11-23-2009, 03:56 AM
I've lurked here for years but I very seldom post. I'm a lifelong, die hard Broncos fan since the 70's but I spend most of my time commenting on a Nuggets board, mostly out of familiarity and force of habit. The frustration finally got to me today so I thought I'd chime in with an observation that I haven't seen previously addressed.

I think the most important play of the game happened with about 30 seconds left. The game was long over, the Chargers had a 23 point lead, and a 4th and 1 inside the 10. Instead of simply taking a knee to burn the final few seconds, like we've seen Shanny do countless times, the Chargers obviously had every intention of running up the score. That's a neophyte move, from a team and an organization who's still fairly unfamiliar with winning, much less winning with class. It's the epitomy of bush league and punk moves like that usually have a way of coming back to bite you. The Steelers pulled something similar a couple weeks ago against us, although far less egregious. Well, they've since gone on to lose their last two games, including today's embarrassment at the hands of the Chiefs.

I do believe in football karma. The Gridiron Gods have a way of setting things straight in the end(i.e. the Hochuli call, unfortunately) Remember when the 2007 Patriots smugly ran up the score every chance they got? Karma finally caught up to them in the Super Bowl. I was happy to see the Chargers arrogance take precedent over simple competitive decency. I think that one little late game decision could be a turning point. I hope McDaniels has it playing on a constant loop in the locker room. If these players have any pride whatsoever they'll use it as motivation. Unlike last years collapse which culminated in the final week of the season, we still have 6 games to right this ship. I just have a feeling that the Chargers are going to hit a rather large bump in the road. The Broncos have had some bad breaks lately, but as long as they can keep the lockeroom together then they'll put this past month behind them........starting Thursday.

I'm just going to say one thing... I expect no mercy from my opponent. Bush league or not, you should not expect mercy. The Broncos went into SD talking trash if you recall, this was their revenge game... OUR KARMA for talking shiat in their house.

Captain 'Dre
11-23-2009, 05:24 AM
Yep.


The Patriots caught heat for "running up the score" during their 16-0 season but all you heard from players and former players is that the defense still needs to do their job.

It's not like they were still slinging it all over the field. They were just running up the gut and Denver's defense gave up. Blame your defense for quitting.

Exactly. Was the OP expecting the Chargers to punt on 1st down?!?

Captain 'Dre
11-23-2009, 05:27 AM
What because Shaun Phillips says so? Nobody knows for sure what McD said, what context it was in, or what was said to him. However, we do know that the Chargers employ the biggest trash talking lineup in the NFL. They're generally despised by most teams because of it. It's kinda curious why they continue it since they've never won a damn thing.

There is one thing that's absolutely not in question and that is the classless Chargers blatantly running up the score. Hell, I think Shanny even refrained from doing that against the Raiders. You know the Raiders? The team that half your fan base followed until about 5 years ago.

We'll check back in a few weeks and see if I'm right. I stand by what I said...... that move will come back to haunt the Chargers.

Those grapes you're eating obviously don't taste so good.

We should be embarrassed, and we are. But it makes us look like whiners for not manning up and admitting we got schooled.

Beantown Bronco
11-23-2009, 06:02 AM
The game was long over, the Chargers had a 23 point lead, and a 4th and 1 inside the 10. Instead of simply taking a knee to burn the final few seconds,

Dude, you do realize the clock stops if you take a knee on 4th down, don't you?

HorseHead
11-23-2009, 06:18 AM
I'm down with the karma thing, and I think that was a good take. But that being said, we got beat because the other team has a kick a-s QB. Don't get me wrong, he's a giant douc=e bag, but he's a gamer. And props to Kyle for being a fighter..

Have a great Thanksgiving everybody..don't take it all too seriously, and maybe, just maybe Eli will suck b-lls....

LonghornBronco
11-23-2009, 06:32 AM
Dude, you do realize the clock stops if you take a knee on 4th down, don't you?

Is this true? I could not verify this.

LonghornBronco
11-23-2009, 06:34 AM
In American football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football), a quarterback kneel, also called taking a knee, genuflect offense, or victory formation occurs when the quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback) immediately kneels to the ground after receiving the snap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(football)). It is primarily used to run the clock down (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_out_the_clock), either at the end of the first half or the game itself, in order to preserve a lead or a win. Although it generally results in a loss of a yard and uses up a down, it minimizes the risk of a fumble (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumble), which would give the other team a chance to score.

Beantown Bronco
11-23-2009, 06:38 AM
In American football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football), a quarterback kneel, also called taking a knee, genuflect offense, or victory formation occurs when the quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback) immediately kneels to the ground after receiving the snap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(football)). It is primarily used to run the clock down (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_out_the_clock), either at the end of the first half or the game itself, in order to preserve a lead or a win. Although it generally results in a loss of a yard and uses up a down, it minimizes the risk of a fumble (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumble), which would give the other team a chance to score.

Ummmm, 4th down dude. Clock stops.

Wow, I didn't think you were serious.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-23-2009, 06:39 AM
In American football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football), a quarterback kneel, also called taking a knee, genuflect offense, or victory formation occurs when the quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback) immediately kneels to the ground after receiving the snap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(football)). It is primarily used to run the clock down (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_out_the_clock), either at the end of the first half or the game itself, in order to preserve a lead or a win. Although it generally results in a loss of a yard and uses up a down, it minimizes the risk of a fumble (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumble), which would give the other team a chance to score.

Clock always stops on a change of possession. Kneel down, fourth down, ball changes possession, clock stops.

400HZ
11-23-2009, 06:47 AM
Good thread. :poke:

Broncoman13
11-23-2009, 06:48 AM
DAMN... How embarrassing, he's a Longhorn fan too. AHHHhhh

LonghornBronco
11-23-2009, 06:49 AM
Yea, I think your right, change of possession stops the clock. You threw me by saying "the clock stops if you take a knee"