RNC health insurance plan covers abortions

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

By CHRISTINE SIMMONS (AP) – Nov 12, 2009

WASHINGTON — The Republican National Committee's health insurance plan covers elective abortions for its employees, an option Republicans strongly oppose in health overhaul legislation that Democrats are trying to push through Congress.

Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele learned of the policy's abortion coverage Thursday through a news report and immediately instructed staff to inform the insurance carrier that the RNC wanted to opt out of elective abortion coverage, RNC spokeswoman Gail Gitcho said.

"Money from our loyal donors should not be used for this purpose," Steele said in a statement. "I don't know why this policy existed in the past, but it will not exist under my administration. Consider this issue settled."

Gitcho said the policy has been in effect since 1991.

A memo earlier from RNC Chief of Staff Ken McKay to the organization's members said Steele was taking the issue very seriously and "has been engaged by phone on this issue."

The GOP platform traditionally includes strong anti-abortion language. All House Republicans, except one, voted for an amendment imposing restrictions of coverage for abortions in the health care bill that passed the House last Saturday. Inclusion of the abortion restrictions prompted an angry backlash from liberal House Democrats, and some are now threatening to vote against a final bill if the curbs stay in.

The memo said the RNC received a phone call from a reporter on Wednesday asking whether the RNC's health care policy, through Cigna, covered elective abortions for employees. On Thursday, Politico.com published a report citing two sales agents for Cigna who said the RNC's policy covered elective abortion.

The Cigna employees said the RNC didn't choose to opt out of abortion coverage when given the opportunity, Politico.com reported.

"Upon learning of this story, at the chairman's direction, we immediately contacted the Executive Committee," the RNC memo said. "We will be scheduling a call with the Executive Committee in the immediate future to discuss this matter more fully."

The memo said the RNC health insurance policy has been in review for some time.

"Chairman Steele had already called for an official review of our health insurance policy along with a number of other operational items," the memo said.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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[rastaman]

Its utterly amazing of all the political mileage the RNC has gained by insinuating and promising the conservative anti-abortionist voters over the last 28 years of how much they Don't believe in abortions.:wiggle:

[atomicbloke]

I am waiting to hear angryllama's spin on this....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I am waiting to hear angryllama's spin on this....

Me too. Ha!

Nothing but crickets so far, though.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I am waiting to hear angryllama's spin on this....

Still waiting...

Ha!

[gunns]

That's because they're staff are fine upstanding people who must have a good reason for an abortion. They're not black, Mexican, or poor white trash.

[Requiem]

The aforesaid statement came off kinda racist to me. :(

[cutthemdown]

That's because they're staff are fine upstanding people who must have a good reason for an abortion. They're not black, Mexican, or poor white trash.

Do they have any stats to if any repubs used the bennies for Abortions? now that would be some good stuff.

Otherwise stats are clear on what races have the most abortions.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

^ Well, I guess a deflection was about as much as I could reasonably expect from the flying monkey right on this one.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The abortion industry is a powerful lobby.

Its garbage like this that has caused a grass-roots revolt to leave republicanism and restore fiscal and social conservatism.

Republicans that back these types of things will be run out of town on a rail.

[Spider]

LOL ....... next time you post Drama , start off with once upon a time , and end the post with they all lived happily ever after ...... you goofball

[epicSocialism4tw]

LOL ....... next time you post Drama , start off with once upon a time , and end the post with they all lived happily ever after ...... you goofball

ROFL!

Drama?

You just described the stereotypical template for writing fairy tales. In case you didnt know, there is a difference. Ha!

Spider is the greatest. :notworthy

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Republicans that back these types of things will be run out of town on a rail.

Um, did you notice that the coverage for abortions has been in place since 1991?

Ha!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Um, did you notice that the coverage for abortions has been in place since 1991?

Ha!

Much of the current grass roots conservatism movement (and the reason Obama was elected) is due to the conservative constituency getting ultimately fed up with representation that does not follow through with promises.

Not that you will actually read my post and come up with a reasoned response because you are nothing but a propagandist, but there's some truth to what I'm saying for anyone who is reading this for a reason other than to quote it, put smilies up, and then post some propaganda.

[peacepipe]

The abortion industry is a powerful lobby.

Its garbage like this that has caused a grass-roots revolt to leave republicanism and restore fiscal and social conservatism.

Republicans that back these types of things will be run out of town on a rail.
ROFL! I guess womens rights groups are a powerful lobby.

[TailgateNut]

[QUOTE=McSkillet;2703675]The abortion industry is a powerful lobby.

QUOTE]

Do they use conveyor belts and robotic arms? Are the part of a union?

[epicSocialism4tw]

The abortion industry is a powerful lobby.

QUOTE]

Do they use conveyor belts and robotic arms? Are the part of a union?

If you dont understand the financial aspect of the abortion industry, you really should find out about it before you dither on into absurdity.

[TailgateNut]

If you dont understand the financial aspect of the abortion industry, you really should find out about it before you dither on into absurdity.


You should really stop meddling in business which you have no RIGHT to meddle in. Where do you get off telling women what they can or cannot do?

That's the ****ing problem with you religious righty assholes. You seem to think you have some GOD GIVEN right to tell others what the **** to do.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You should really stop meddling in business which you have no RIGHT to meddle in. Where do you get off telling women what they can or cannot do?

That's the ****ing problem with you religious righty a-holes. You seem to think you have some GOD GIVEN right to tell others what the **** to do.

Sorry man, but killing a kid is killing a kid. Murder is a crime in this country. "Religious" (what does that even mean to you?) people just tend to side with the morally superior position on this issue.

There is a large industry that revolves around convincing women to kill their babies. If you werent blinded by rhetoric and peer pressure, you would be appalled as well. But alas, you remain behind a wall of ethos and un-stretched vaginas.

[TailgateNut]

Sorry man, but killing a kid is killing a kid. Murder is a crime in this country. "Religious" (what does that even mean to you?) people just tend to side with the morally superior position on this issue.

There is a large industry that revolves around convincing women to kill their babies. If you werent blinded by rhetoric and peer pressure, you would be appalled as well. But alas, you remain behind a wall of ethos and un-stretched vaginas.

Using your analogy I killed 2 CHICKENS and had 2 sausage patties and some hash browns for breakfast last weekend.:spit:

[peacepipe]

Sorry man, but killing a kid is killing a kid. Murder is a crime in this country. "Religious" (what does that even mean to you?) people just tend to side with the morally superior position on this issue.

There is a large industry that revolves around convincing women to kill their babies. If you werent blinded by rhetoric and peer pressure, you would be appalled as well. But alas, you remain behind a wall of ethos and un-stretched vaginas.Abortion isn't murder,you can scream til hell frezes over & your opinion of abortion still won't make it murder. It is a completely legal medical procedure.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Abortion isn't murder,you can scream til hell frezes over & your opinion of abortion still won't make it murder. It is a completely legal medical procedure.

You can spin it six ways to sunday, but when all of the legal ease and silver tongued semantics fall away it still remains that the root of the practice is killing children. You can call killing something else. You can call the child something else. No matter what you call it, it is what it is. Simply by advocating such a thing it shows what darkness lies in your heart.

[TailgateNut]

You can spin it six ways to sunday, but when all of the legal ease and silver tongued semantics fall away it still remains that the root of the practice is killing children. You can call killing something else. You can call the child something else. No matter what you call it, it is what it is. Simply by advocating such a thing it shows what darkness lies in your heart.

:spit:


Is getting a vasectomy "killing possible children"?
How about the morning after pill?


You ****ing Texans are a Riot! Moreso than the other nuts from other states.

[epicSocialism4tw]

:spit:


Is getting a vasectomy "killing possible children"?
How about the morning after pill?


You ****ing Texans are a Riot! Moreso than the other nuts from other states.


Wow.

vasectomy = sticking a pair of scissors in a baby's skull, chopping up their brain, and sucking the brain out with a vacuum.

You need some perspective, bro.

[SleepingTiger]

:spit:


Is getting a vasectomy "killing possible children"?
How about the morning after pill?


You ****ing Texans are a Riot! Moreso than the other nuts from other states.

how can you kill something that doesn't exist? the sperm by itself is nothing and an egg by itself is nothing. with conception, something alive does exist and that is a baby.

morning after pill from what i understand prevents ferilization. so no, it is not killing because there is nothing to kill.

what does being a Texan have anything? i live in Texas but lived in Denver, Chicago, Fort Walton Beach, Charlotte and many other states.

[SleepingTiger]

Abortion isn't murder,you can scream til hell frezes over & your opinion of abortion still won't make it murder. It is a completely legal medical procedure.

you're going to let 12 politicians in black robes tell you what is wrong or right? don't you have any views of your own?

[TailgateNut]

you're going to let 12 politicians in black robes tell you what is wrong or right? don't you have any views of your own?

Does it irk you that according to the law abortion isn't MURDER as you and your compadre see it.

[TailgateNut]

you're going to let 12 politicians in black robes tell you what is wrong or right? don't you have any views of your own?

Like it or not, THEY are the SUPREME COURT, and make the final decision regardless of your tainted views.

[watermock]

Abortion isn't murder,you can scream til hell frezes over & your opinion of abortion still won't make it murder. It is a completely legal medical procedure.

It has ever defenition of murder, Premeditation. intent, conspiracy and disposal.

It's legal because of Roe Vs Wade, and it was being performed anyway for centuries.

Science can take an egg and transplant it and make it viable.

Another thing, many would be parents have severe remorse.

[TailgateNut]

It has ever defenition of murder, Premeditation. intent, conspiracy and disposal.

It's legal because of Roe Vs Wade, and it was being performed anyway for centuries.

Science can take an egg and transplant it and make it viable.

Another thing, many would be parents have severe remorse.

Even Beer has a "Born on" Date!

Go eat a sandwich!

[SleepingTiger]

Does it irk you that according to the law abortion isn't MURDER as you and your compadre see it.

correction: i will not let 7 men 28yrs ago determine for me what is murder and what is not. according to the law, it is not murder, but in my opinion.. it is murder.

what is your opinion? or do you just agree to whatever the supreme court decides?

[peacepipe]

you're going to let 12 politicians in black robes tell you what is wrong or right? don't you have any views of your own?

nice try. BTW there are only 9 supreme court justices.

[SleepingTiger]

Like it or not, THEY are the SUPREME COURT, and make the final decision regardless of your tainted views.

because i disagree with the supreme court, my views are tainted?

don't you have an opinion of your own? you agree with everything and anything that somebody with power tells you!

[TailgateNut]

correction: i will not let 7 men 28yrs ago determine for me what is murder and what is not. according to the law, it is not murder, but in my opinion.. it is murder.

what is your opinion? or do you just agree to whatever the supreme court decides?


I have many opinions which do not mirror the laws on the books, but regardless unless you are above the law, in the end opinions are like an asshole. Everyone has one!

[SleepingTiger]

nice try. BTW there are only 9 supreme court justices.

sorry, i did make a correction in my previous post. :)

[TailgateNut]

because i disagree with the supreme court, my views are tainted?

don't you have an opinion of your own? you agree with everything and anything that somebody with power tells you!

Allow me to simplify it for your simple mind. You DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to force others to do as you wish. So just STFU and live with it!

[cutthemdown]

It's simple, you either pay for your own abortion, or if the govt has to pay, then you get fixed at the same time. Or maybe after 2nd abortion you get fixed.

Then paying or not after 3 abortions you get fixed. 1 abortion doesn't bother me really. People make mistakes and young women may be better off having this choice. I guess I don't really know for sure if the baby is alive at 3 weeks, 7 weeks, 2 months etc etc.

But there is no excuse for multiple abortions. That is just repugnant and should be dealt with through women losing there right to carry children. Fix them after the 3rd abortion.

[SleepingTiger]

I have many opinions which do not mirror the laws on the books, but regardless unless you are above the law, in the end opinions are like an a-hole. Everyone has one!

this is a message board regarding war, religion and politics... and im asking you what is abortion if its not murder? don't tell me what the supreme court thinks.

for somebody who thinks opinions are like a-holes, you sure got alot of them

[peacepipe]

this is a message board regarding war, religion and politics... and im asking you what is abortion if its not murder? don't tell me what the supreme court thinks.

for somebody who thinks opinions are like a-holes, you sure got alot of themIt's the removal of something from your body that you don't want there, like going to a dentist to have a sore tooth pulled.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's the removal of something from your body that you don't want there, like going to a dentist to have a sore tooth pulled.

Thats absolutely one of the stupidest things I have ever read on this forum.

Congratulations.

[SleepingTiger]

Allow me to simplify it for your simple mind. You DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to force others to do as you wish. So just STFU and live with it!

if Vick wants to fight dogs then kill them if they don't perform, why the hell did everyone get so upset? he owns them, he bought them with his own money. he has EVERY RIGHT AND YOU CAN'T FORCE HIM TO DO WHAT YOU WISH. don't you see the problem with this? why such a inconsitency? with abortions, you are not even talking about dogs... you're talking about a human life. why are u so simple minded?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Planned Parenthood Director Abby Johnson:


"Every meeting that we had was, 'We don't have enough money, we don't have enough money — we've got to keep these abortions coming,'" Johnson told <nobr id="itxt_nobr_3_0" style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 100%; color: darkgreen;">FoxNews.comhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif</nobr> (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571215,00.html#). "It's a very lucrative business and that's why they want to increase numbers."

This was part of the reason that Johnson quit working for Planned Parenthood. Another reason she quit is because she couldnt live with the fact that she was advocating abortions after she actually watched one on ultrasound.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571215,00.html

[TailgateNut]

this is a message board regarding war, religion and politics... and im asking you what is abortion if its not murder? don't tell me what the supreme court thinks.

for somebody who thinks opinions are like a-holes, you sure got alot of them

Last time I wiped, there was only one.

Re: Murder/not Murder: Not Murder!

[TailgateNut]

if Vick wants to fight dogs then kill them if they don't perform, why the hell did everyone get so upset? he owns them, he bought them with his own money. he has EVERY RIGHT AND YOU CAN'T FORCE HIM TO DO WHAT YOU WISH. don't you see the problem with this? why such a inconsitency? with abortions, you are not even talking about dogs... you're talking about a human life. why are u so simple minded?

No, last time I checked I wasn't born 9 months before delivery!

Talk about simple minded.

I'm going to have a few more over easy chickens for breakfast in the morning.:rofl:

[TailgateNut]

if Vick wants to fight dogs then kill them if they don't perform, why the hell did everyone get so upset? he owns them, he bought them with his own money. he has EVERY RIGHT AND YOU CAN'T FORCE HIM TO DO WHAT YOU WISH. don't you see the problem with this? why such a inconsitency? with abortions, you are not even talking about dogs... you're talking about a human life. why are u so simple minded?

It's called LAWS, you ****ing simpleton!

[SleepingTiger]

It's the removal of something from your body that you don't want there, like going to a dentist to have a sore tooth pulled.

you are comparing a baby that can feel pain, reconize its mothers voice, that can move and cry to a freakin tooth!

you are right about one thing... it is a removal of something from a women that does not want it. too bad that its not a zit, or excess weight... its a baby.

[yavoon]

Planned Parenthood Director Abby Johnson:



This was part of the reason that Johnson quit working for Planned Parenthood. Another reason she quit is because she couldnt live with the fact that she was advocating abortions after she actually watched one on ultrasound.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571215,00.html

abortion as a for profit business model is some new level of disgusting.

[TailgateNut]

you are comparing a baby that can feel pain, reconize its mothers voice, that can move and cry to a freakin tooth!

you are right about one thing... it is a removal of something from a women that does not want it. too bad that its not a zit, or excess weight... its a baby.


By the end of the 8th week, all of the main organ systems are in place, although not in their final form. The embryo sits in the shape of a C, with its large head bowed, and legs flexed upward. It weighs about 1/3 of an ounce, and measures about 2 inches from top to bottom.

This can feel pain and recognizes voices?

Lay off the crackpipe.

[SleepingTiger]

No, last time I checked I wasn't born 9 months before delivery!

Talk about simple minded.

I'm going to have a few more over easy chickens for breakfast in the morning.:rofl:

is that it, so you're saying you didn't exist the day or even hour before you were born?

[yavoon]

No, last time I checked I wasn't born 9 months before delivery!

Talk about simple minded.

I'm going to have a few more over easy chickens for breakfast in the morning.:rofl:

thats an incredibly monstrous point of view. I don't think I'll ever forget your post.

[TailgateNut]

is that it, so you're saying you didn't exist the day or even hour before you were born?

****!!!!I missed my 50th BD. DAMMIT!

[broncofan7]

Last time I wiped, there was only one.

Re: Murder/not Murder: Not Murder!

You have two ends IDIOT...just because you can smell your own breath doesn't mean that's the only hole that needs wiped..........


GO embezzle some more $$$ so you can improve your orange & Blue RV--maybe install some flat screens or some spinners........There is no way someone of your limited mental capacity could possibly have the abilities necessary to acquire the money to 1) own that RV 2) throw tailgates 3) have Broncos Season tickets---The IRS is gonna come aknockin' BOY.........you best be ready

[SleepingTiger]

By the end of the 8th week, all of the main organ systems are in place, although not in their final form. The embryo sits in the shape of a C, with its large head bowed, and legs flexed upward. It weighs about 1/3 of an ounce, and measures about 2 inches from top to bottom.

This can feel pain and recognizes voices?

Lay off the crackpipe.

you forget abortion is perform all the way until the 32nd week. thinking too much of crack pipes are we?

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/mar/26/the-abortion-industry/

"In 2002 Life Dynamics, a pro-life group based in Texas, called 800 abortion clinics around the country, many of them run by Planned Parenthood. The caller would say she was a 13-year-old girl whose boyfriend was 22, and she needed an abortion. Ninety-one percent of the clinics told the caller they would give her an abortion, but warned her not to reveal her boyfriend's age"

"In a time when abortions nationwide are declining, Planned Parenthood is performing more abortions than ever — 264,943 in 2005-06. These abortions bring in at least a third of its $345 million in clinic income. "

"It is well known that Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, aligned herself with the eugenicists concerned with eliminating undesirables from the population. Moreover, Sanger received and accepted an invitation to address a Ku Klux Klan chapter and gave a speech that led to additional Klan invitations. Although we do not know what she said, we do know that recently questions have been raised about racism at Planned Parenthood clinics."

[SleepingTiger]

You have two ends IDIOT...just because you can smell your own breath doesn't mean that's the only hole that needs wiped..........


GO embezzle some more $$$ so you can improve your orange & Blue RV--maybe install some flat screens or some spinners........There is no way someone of your limited mental capacity could possibly have the abilities necessary to acquire the money to 1) own that RV 2) throw tailgates 3) have Broncos Season tickets---The IRS is gonna come aknockin' BOY.........you best be ready

dang... i don't know if you collect transformers or not, but i had the complete predaking gestalt... the metal version. i end up selling it on ebay for 7 or 8 hundred.

[broncofan7]

dang... i don't know if you collect transformers or not, but i had the complete predaking gestalt... the metal version. i end up selling it on ebay for 7 or 8 hundred.

Whoa! No I don't--but I had the original plastic one when I was a kid--

[TailgateNut]

you forget abortion is perform all the way until the 32nd week. thinking too much of crack pipes are we?


I don't really dwell on when, who has or performs, or why abortions are performed. I'll leave that to you self rightous MF's who seem to think you have the right to tell someone else what they can or cannot do, even though what the have done or intend to do is well within the laws of this country.

So you and the rest of your compadres' can KMA.

[Laramie]

By CHRISTINE SIMMONS (AP) – Nov 12, 2009

WASHINGTON — The Republican National Committee's health insurance plan covers elective abortions for its employees, an option Republicans strongly oppose in health overhaul legislation that Democrats are trying to push through Congress.

Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele learned of the policy's abortion coverage Thursday through a news report and immediately instructed staff to inform the insurance carrier that the RNC wanted to opt out of elective abortion coverage, RNC spokeswoman Gail Gitcho said.

"Money from our loyal donors should not be used for this purpose," Steele said in a statement. "I don't know why this policy existed in the past, but it will not exist under my administration. Consider this issue settled."

Gitcho said the policy has been in effect since 1991.

A memo earlier from RNC Chief of Staff Ken McKay to the organization's members said Steele was taking the issue very seriously and "has been engaged by phone on this issue."

The GOP platform traditionally includes strong anti-abortion language. All House Republicans, except one, voted for an amendment imposing restrictions of coverage for abortions in the health care bill that passed the House last Saturday. Inclusion of the abortion restrictions prompted an angry backlash from liberal House Democrats, and some are now threatening to vote against a final bill if the curbs stay in.

The memo said the RNC received a phone call from a reporter on Wednesday asking whether the RNC's health care policy, through Cigna, covered elective abortions for employees. On Thursday, Politico.com published a report citing two sales agents for Cigna who said the RNC's policy covered elective abortion.

The Cigna employees said the RNC didn't choose to opt out of abortion coverage when given the opportunity, Politico.com reported.

"Upon learning of this story, at the chairman's direction, we immediately contacted the Executive Committee," the RNC memo said. "We will be scheduling a call with the Executive Committee in the immediate future to discuss this matter more fully."

The memo said the RNC health insurance policy has been in review for some time.

"Chairman Steele had already called for an official review of our health insurance policy along with a number of other operational items," the memo said.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hkWWFIEXgAtpUcUXCugfHS1qLYRwD9BUE6V00

too bad you werent aborted

[TailgateNut]

too bad you werent aborted

I take it, you're pro womens right to choose?

[SleepingTiger]

I don't really dwell on when, who has or performs, or why abortions are performed. I'll leave that to you self rightous MF's who seem to think you have the right to tell someone else what they can or cannot do, even though what the have done or intend to do is well within the laws of this country.

So you and the rest of your compadres' can KMA.

if you don't dwell on time frame, why say this?

By the end of the 8th week, all of the main organ systems are in place, although not in their final form. The embryo sits in the shape of a C, with its large head bowed, and legs flexed upward. It weighs about 1/3 of an ounce, and measures about 2 inches from top to bottom.

This can feel pain and recognizes voices?


make up your mind... what is it, 8th week or whenever?

[watermock]

It's the removal of something from your body that you don't want there, like going to a dentist to have a sore tooth pulled.


Wow.

[TailgateNut]

if you don't dwell on time frame, why say this?



make up your mind... what is it, 8th week or whenever?

No fahqad, you were the one insisting that the "BABY" could hear, feel, and who knows what else. Just making a point, which is obviously above and beyond your comprehension level considering the fact that you think an embryo has feelings.

Regardless of your hurt feelings, there isn't a goddamn thing you can do about it. Is there?

[watermock]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HLMhxhzDLkQ/SLT-rqcKxzI/AAAAAAAAAmY/jYgVUHfEpWo/s400/week+8.gif.

8th week

[TailgateNut]

Choke on this:


The current judicial interpretation of the U.S. Constitution regarding abortion in the United States, following the Supreme Court of the United States's 1973 landmark decision in Roe v. Wade, and subsequent companion decisions, is that abortion is legal but may be restricted by the states to varying degrees. States have passed laws to restrict late term abortions, require parental notification for minors, and mandate the disclosure of abortion risk information to patients prior to the procedure.[11]

The key, deliberated article of the U.S. Constitution is Article 14, Section 1, which states that

“ All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.[12] ”

The official report of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, issued in 1983 after extensive hearings on the Human Life Amendment (proposed by Senators Orrin Hatch and Thomas Eagleton), stated what substantially remains true today:

“ Thus, the [Judiciary] Committee observes that no significant legal barriers of any kind whatsoever exist today in the United States for a mother to obtain an abortion for any reason during any stage of her pregnancy.[13]


....and take all of your OPINIONS and shove them where the suns doesn't shine.

[SleepingTiger]

No fahqad, you were the one insisting that the "BABY" could hear, feel, and who knows what else. Just making a point, which is obviously above and beyond your comprehension level considering the fact that you think an embryo has feelings.

Regardless of your hurt feelings, there isn't a goddamn thing you can do about it. Is there?

internet tough guy? im debating with you about a topic, stick to it.

here is what we got so far.

i tell you abortions are performed on babies performed on babies that can feel pain, reconize their mother voice, move and so on.

you comeback at me telling me that at 8 weeks the fetus is not developed to feel any pain.

i tell you abortions are performed all the way until the 32nd week when the baby is fully develped.

now you comeback at me with childish behavior of name calling and insults. is that all you have? go ahead... show me where the crack pipe is so i can see your point of view no matter how weak it is.

[TailgateNut]

internet tough guy? im debating with you about a topic, stick to it.

here is what we got so far.

i tell you abortions are performed on babies performed on babies that can feel pain, reconize their mother voice, move and so on.

you comeback at me telling me that at 8 weeks the fetus is not developed to feel any pain.

i tell you abortions are performed all the way until the 32nd week when the baby is fully develped.

now you comeback at me with childish behavior of name calling and insults. is that all you have? go ahead... show me where the crack pipe is so i can see your point of view no matter how weak it is.

If you can't fathom the fact that it's LEGAL, then no one can help you.

Is that CLEAR ENOUGH!

That's also why I lumped you into the Dumbass arrogant Texan cesspool!

[SleepingTiger]

Choke on this:


The current judicial interpretation of the U.S. Constitution regarding abortion in the United States, following the Supreme Court of the United States's 1973 landmark decision in Roe v. Wade, and subsequent companion decisions, is that abortion is legal but may be restricted by the states to varying degrees. States have passed laws to restrict late term abortions, require parental notification for minors, and mandate the disclosure of abortion risk information to patients prior to the procedure.[11]

The key, deliberated article of the U.S. Constitution is Article 14, Section 1, which states that

“ All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.[12] ”

The official report of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, issued in 1983 after extensive hearings on the Human Life Amendment (proposed by Senators Orrin Hatch and Thomas Eagleton), stated what substantially remains true today:

“ Thus, the [Judiciary] Committee observes that no significant legal barriers of any kind whatsoever exist today in the United States for a mother to obtain an abortion for any reason during any stage of her pregnancy.[13]


....and take all of your OPINIONS and shove them where the suns doesn't shine.

nobody is questioning the supreme court decision, no need to quote it.

so we are back to square 1. you only do what the MAN tells you and will not question it otherwise. and you tell me im simple minded? wow

[TailgateNut]

nobody is questioning the supreme court decision, no need to quote it.

so we are back to square 1. you only do what the MAN tells you and will not question it otherwise. and you tell me im simple minded? wow

You are simple minded because you believe others should see the world through your eyes and have no opinions of their own just because their opinion are in line with the laws currently on the books in this country.

I really don't give a **** if people have abortions. In addition I do not have the RIGHT to tell them otherwise, nor do you have the right. You may believe you do, but you don't, and that's what's eating you up inside.

I laugh at people who think they can force their beliefs onto others.

You and the likes of Skillet, Dbrule, Yavoon and a few select others seem to think you are better than those who do not follow your footsteps.

Move to a country where there isn't a guarantee of Life, Liberty and justice and write your own laws. No one want to be told what they are allowed to think. You can stomp and whine all you want, but until you and the rest of your ilk change the laws, you have no choice but to ****ing live with it or get the **** out.

[watermock]

official report of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, issued in 1983 after extensive hearings on the Human Life Amendment (proposed by Senators Orrin Hatch and Thomas Eagleton), stated what substantially remains true today:

“ Thus, the [Judiciary] Committee observes that no significant legal barriers of any kind whatsoever exist today in the United States for a mother to obtain an abortion for any reason during any stage of her pregnancy.[13]

Indeed it does.

That doesn't mean it's not unconstitutional or immoral, it's just a ruling on president, mad e well before the knowledge of sentience of the fetus a that time.

[watermock]

The court is wong on this issue, partiuliarly when termination is clearly an option much earlier.

[watermock]

Move to a country where there isn't a guarantee of Life, Liberty and justice and write your own laws. No one want to be told what they are allowed to think.

Dumbass, this IS question of life.

[rastaman]

The abortion industry is a powerful lobby.

Its garbage like this that has caused a grass-roots revolt to leave republicanism and restore fiscal and social conservatism.

Republicans that back these types of things will be run out of town on a rail.

Can you tell us at time in America are you refering to when this country was a fiscal and socialized conservative ideologue nation?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

too bad you werent aborted

They should make it mandatory for white trash like you, IMO.

[broncofan7]

They should make it mandatory for white trash like you, IMO.

self hate fits you well.........and it further explains how you came to the rest of your political beliefs

[Spider]

as a democrat , I think Abortion is wrong after 3 months in Preg ........But Medical reasons etc , it should be in place ....... But just cause I think it is wrong doesnt mean I am going ot tell anyone they can or cant do it , if they want my opinion they will get it ........
Doesnt matter what the SCOUS or any other politician has to say on this .......

[rastaman]

Much of the current grass roots conservatism movement (and the reason Obama was elected) is due to the conservative constituency getting ultimately fed up with representation that does not follow through with promises.

Not that you will actually read my post and come up with a reasoned response because you are nothing but a propagandist, but there's some truth to what I'm saying for anyone who is reading this for a reason other than to quote it, put smilies up, and then post some propaganda.

Obama's election proved that they're aren't enough conservatives out there anymore (like in the 80's) to elect republicans into the WH, b/c liberals and progressives outnumber conservatives and fair weather independent voters. When the voters come in massive numbers Repub. simply lose the WH and the Congress. The only way conservatives/Repub. when elections are when elections our close enough to steal (as in 2000 and 2004) or thru low voter turn out b/c liberals and progressives stayed home.

The voting demographics have changed dramatically since the 80's and 90's. The GOP has a smaller tent than ever before and has yet to find a way to diversify their party. In the 21st century moving forward the GOP will not win the general election with only 3-5 percent of the african-american and hispanic vote.

Remember, 56 million conservative republican voters went to the polls in 2008 and were soundly trounched by 66 million liberal-progressive-moderate voters. Getting defeated by 10 million votes is nothing to sneeze at nor ignore. Can't imagine that 10 million conservatives just stayed home b/c they didn't like Palin and McCain!

The GOP is going to need to find a way to add a little more color and diversity to its party platform and ideology in the 21st Century or winning the WH will continue to be an up hill battle.

The days of the GOP getting help from the Supreme Court or Diebold voting machines to win elections are all but OVER!

[TailgateNut]

Dumbass, this IS question of life.

You calling ANYONE a dumbass is hilarious.

[Laramie]

They should make it mandatory for white trash like you, IMO.

is spider still blowing you

[TailgateNut]

is spider still blowing you


another "great addition" to the mane.:rofl:

Did you pull a muscle pushing the rock which covered the hole you crawled out of, out of the way?

[Spider]

another "great addition" to the mane.:rofl:

Did you pull a muscle pushing the rock which covered the hole you crawled out of, out of the way?
LOL I wouldnt worry about Laramie , i have offered to kick his ass all over that town , but he pussed out over and over ..........

[TailgateNut]

LOL I wouldnt worry about Laramie , i have offered to kick his ass all over that town , but he pussed out over and over ..........


I just wonder sometimes where these clowns come from.

[Spider]

I just wonder sometimes where these clowns come from.

:D laramie is a product of Bad parenting , He lips off , then when it comes time to back his **** up , he cowers down , thats all on his dad , for not teaching him , son if you lip off , you better back it up ........ too much sugar titty and not enough back bone

[broncofan7]

:D laramie is a product of Bad parenting , He lips off , then when it comes time to back his **** up , he cowers down , thats all on his dad , for not teaching him , son if you lip off , you better back it up ........ too much sugar titty and not enough back bone

Yourself and TGN--a product of INFERIOR GENETICS coupled with hillbilly culture= white trash liberals.

"Wallow in your own miserable existence for you add nothing to the greater good........." -BF7 1/7/10

[Spider]

Yourself and TGN--a product of INFERIOR GENETICS coupled with hillbilly culture= white trash liberals.

"Wallow in your own miserable existence for you add nothing to the greater good........." -BF7 1/7/10

LOL you are another one that runs his pie hole then backs down like an abused b**** ......
Maybe my post struck a nerve with you also ...... But yeah you are the same

[broncofan7]

LOL you are another one that runs his pie hole then backs down like an abused b**** ......
Maybe my post struck a nerve with you also ...... But yeah you are the same

I am surprised that your trailer park gets internet access.......

[Spider]

I am surprised that your trailer park gets internet access.......

well it doesnt take much to surprise you then does it racist ?

[TailgateNut]

well it doesnt take much to surprise you then does it racist ?


Why do you waste your time responding to the glorified bedpan cleaner.
Just ignore him and he'll go away!

[broncofan7]

well it doesnt take much to surprise you then does it racist ?

link?

[Spider]

Why do you waste your time responding to the glorified bedpan cleaner.
Just ignore him and he'll go away!

:D ...... maybe if I mail him a bright shinny object , he will be entertained for hours and leave us alone ?

[broncofan7]

Why do you waste your time responding to the glorified bedpan cleaner.
Just ignore him and he'll go away!

yeah, you have better things to do like taking illegal kick backs and making illegal write offs on your taxes--the TAX MAN COMETH BOY.

[Spider]

link?

LOL everyone and their brother knows you are a racist .......... Link BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[broncofan7]

LOL everyone and their brother knows you are a racist .......... Link BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

this board is so biased that when one points out statistics--he is given a label.

[TailgateNut]

LOL everyone and their brother knows you are a racist .......... Link BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


BF7 is the only one who doesn't recognize what a racist pig he is.

[broncofan7]

BF7 is the only one who doesn't recognize what a racist pig he is.

WRONG as usual. Many on this board don't realize how AHEAD of the curve I am.......statistics are statistics

[Laramie]

:D laramie is a product of Bad parenting , He lips off , then when it comes time to back his **** up , he cowers down , thats all on his dad , for not teaching him , son if you lip off , you better back it up ........ too much sugar titty and not enough back bone

i thought you were still blowing guys in truckstops

[cutthemdown]

:D laramie is a product of Bad parenting , He lips off , then when it comes time to back his **** up , he cowers down , thats all on his dad , for not teaching him , son if you lip off , you better back it up ........ too much sugar titty and not enough back bone

Calling out his father huh? Not cool IMO.

[Spider]

Calling out his father huh? Not cool IMO.

take it how ever you want , personally I dont give a damn if you think it is cool or not ........ just how it is ..........I didnt ask your opinion before I posted it , dont know why you think I need your opinion now ........

[Spider]

this board is so biased that when one points out statistics--he is given a label.

Yeah poor mis understood racist .......... golly

[cutthemdown]

take it how ever you want , personally I dont give a damn if you think it is cool or not ........ just how it is ..........I didnt ask your opinion before I posted it , dont know why you think I need your opinion now ........

You always give your opinion regardless of whether anyone asks for it. What makes you so special? What you need is to stop thinking you are all that because you aren't. Your way of looking at things is hillbilly and your opinions are crap. You talk like you are this man of respect when really you are just a 2 bit internet tough guy joke.

[SleepingTiger]

You always give your opinion regardless of whether anyone asks for it. What makes you so special? What you need is to stop thinking you are all that because you aren't. Your way of looking at things is hillbilly and your opinions are crap. You talk like you are this man of respect when really you are just a 2 bit internet tough guy joke.

:thumbs:

[Spider]

You always give your opinion regardless of whether anyone asks for it. What makes you so special? What you need is to stop thinking you are all that because you aren't. Your way of looking at things is hillbilly and your opinions are crap. You talk like you are this man of respect when really you are just a 2 bit internet tough guy joke.thats it ?
cry me a river ....plain and simple , you are another one that runs off at the mouth , cowers when it comes time ot back it up ...... And your way of looking at thins is just plain idiotic , sometimes I wonder why you dont have adult supervision ......
I know alot of times you spew bull**** just to get people riled up , no body could be that stupid , well except for John gault , barry R , Texican boob and of course Drama lama .. nice company you keep there cream puff .......
And lets be honest your views are formed cause you are a bar fly , oh you try and pass your self off as some kind of music man , but everyone knows you are a bar fly , probably making a living off of a trust fund somewhere , you never had kids ( good thing ) never had a family to support , you have no responsibility's ......... Just a flat out cowering bar fly ...........

[epicSocialism4tw]

thats it ?
cry me a river ....plain and simple , you are another one that runs off at the mouth , cowers when it comes time ot back it up ...... And your way of looking at thins is just plain idiotic , sometimes I wonder why you dont have adult supervision ......
I know alot of times you spew bull**** just to get people riled up , no body could be that stupid , well except for John gault , barry R , Texican boob and of course Drama lama .. nice company you keep there cream puff .......
And lets be honest your views are formed cause you are a bar fly , oh you try and pass your self off as some kind of music man , but everyone knows you are a bar fly , probably making a living off of a trust fund somewhere , you never had kids ( good thing ) never had a family to support , you have no responsibility's ......... Just a flat out cowering bar fly ...........

You could always ask him to meet you somewhere, threaten to punch him in the throat, and then not show up.

[Spider]

You could always ask him to meet you somewhere, threaten to punch him in the throat, and then not show up.

Like you he didnt show , but he said he wouldnt ........ too bad you didnt though ....... I would have love to met you ........... oh well .........

[SleepingTiger]

thats it ?
cry me a river ....plain and simple , you are another one that runs off at the mouth , cowers when it comes time ot back it up ...... And your way of looking at thins is just plain idiotic , sometimes I wonder why you dont have adult supervision ......
I know alot of times you spew bull**** just to get people riled up , no body could be that stupid , well except for John gault , barry R , Texican boob and of course Drama lama .. nice company you keep there cream puff .......
And lets be honest your views are formed cause you are a bar fly , oh you try and pass your self off as some kind of music man , but everyone knows you are a bar fly , probably making a living off of a trust fund somewhere , you never had kids ( good thing ) never had a family to support , you have no responsibility's ......... Just a flat out cowering bar fly ...........

for someone who has kids, family to support and so much responsibility.... why do you go out of your way to get into fights with people over the internet? going as far as driving thousands of miles just so u can beat someone up.

[cutthemdown]

lol he never drove anywhere. He's so full of crap it's not even funny. I'm easy to find Spider. Just drop by a gig and say hello. I'm sure I can make sure you get greeted and treated properly.

[Laramie]

thats it ?
cry me a river ....plain and simple , you are another one that runs off at the mouth , cowers when it comes time ot back it up ...... And your way of looking at thins is just plain idiotic , sometimes I wonder why you dont have adult supervision ......
I know alot of times you spew bull**** just to get people riled up , no body could be that stupid , well except for John gault , barry R , Texican boob and of course Drama lama .. nice company you keep there cream puff .......
And lets be honest your views are formed cause you are a bar fly , oh you try and pass your self off as some kind of music man , but everyone knows you are a bar fly , probably making a living off of a trust fund somewhere , you never had kids ( good thing ) never had a family to support , you have no responsibility's ......... Just a flat out cowering bar fly ...........

your a pussy

[peacepipe]

your a p***Y32 posts and already proving to be an ass.

[TailgateNut]

32 posts and already proving to be an ass.

Yep, he's definately a "ringer".

[Laramie]

32 posts and already proving to be an ass.

Im sure hes blowing you also or you him

[Laramie]

Yep, he's definately a "ringer".

you love it in the ass too

[TailgateNut]

you love it in the ass too

You are the one who seems to be obsessed with GAY ACTIVITIES. Go away little BOY!

[Spider]

lol he never drove anywhere. He's so full of crap it's not even funny. I'm easy to find Spider. Just drop by a gig and say hello. I'm sure I can make sure you get greeted and treated properly.

where is your so called Gig ?
I gave up on Lama , 3 times he never showed , I even told him the tire place I was at ..........

[Spider]

for someone who has kids, family to support and so much responsibility.... why do you go out of your way to get into fights with people over the internet? going as far as driving thousands of miles just so u can beat someone up.
why not ?
if i am goin to run my pie hole , I had better be able to back it up ...

[Laramie]

why not ?
if i am goin to run my pie hole , I had better be able to back it up ...

your a pussy..you aint shown up anywhere..except to blow dudes

[TailgateNut]

your a p***Y..you aint shown up anywhere..except to blow dudes


You seem to be obsessed. Even the short bus left you stranded.

[Spider]

You seem to be obsessed. Even the short bus left you stranded.

LOL I put his punk ass on ignore until he comes up with a place to meet .....

[Laramie]

LOL I put his punk ass on ignore until he comes up with a place to meet .....

pilot truck stop in laramie..im sure youve turned tricks there

[TailgateNut]

pilot truck stop in laramie..im sure youve turned tricks there

He shouldn't have a hard time finding you. Just needs to pull in to the truck stop, roll down the window and listen for that whistling sound the air makes when it goes into your one ear and exits the other side without any restriction.

[peacepipe]

He shouldn't have a hard time finding you. Just needs to pull in to the truck stop, roll down the window and listen for that whistling sound the air makes when it goes into your one ear and exits the other side without any restriction.

Hilarious!

[Spider]

pilot truck stop in laramie..im sure youve turned tricks there

what do you look like ? be drivin ? ........... I need something

[Spider]

he shouldn't have a hard time finding you. Just needs to pull in to the truck stop, roll down the window and listen for that whistling sound the air makes when it goes into your one ear and exits the other side without any restriction. lol

[broncofan7]

your a p***Y..you aint shown up anywhere..except to blow dudes

is laramie your 'other' profile?

pretty sad spidey, pretty sad........

[Spider]

is laramie your 'other' profile?

pretty sad spidey, pretty sad........

LOL . no but really it wouldnt have been a bad Idea ......... to bad I didnt think of it

[cutthemdown]

think? you need a brain for that.

[epicSocialism4tw]

where is your so called Gig ?
I gave up on Lama , 3 times he never showed , I even told him the tire place I was at ..........

That's actually really sad, dude.

[TailgateNut]

That's actually really sad, dude.

Dude???Hilarious!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Dude???Hilarious!

Would you rather me call him a schlub?

[TailgateNut]

Would you rather me call him a schlub?

I have a problem with Texanese!

[broncofan7]

I have a problem with Texanese!

You have a problem with ENGLISH, common sense and REASON.

But your RV rocks!

[epicSocialism4tw]

I have a problem with Texanese!

Okay, then how about yiddish?

You're a schmuck. ;D

Spider's a schlub.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

is spider still blowing you

Thanks for clearing up the question in the OP, i.e., re: why the RNC health plan covers abortions.

You are the paradigm example of why they need to keep their options open.

LOL

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

self hate fits you well.........and it further explains how you came to the rest of your political beliefs

Pretty piss poor "I am rubber - you are glue" comeback - even by your standards. Uhh :mullet2:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yourself(sic) and TGN--a product of INFERIOR GENETICS coupled with hillbilly culture= white trash liberals.


ROFL!

"White trash liberals?"

As long as we're on oxymorons, how about "conservative sophisticates?" Ha!