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RhymesayersDU
11-15-2009, 06:25 PM
Pretty simple. Assuming Orton can't go this week or for any subsequent weeks, who are you backing?

frerottenextelway
11-15-2009, 06:27 PM
Come gameday, I'll be backing whoever is the guy putting his hands under center.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 06:27 PM
I picked Simms partly because I'll be the only one who does ;D

But seriously, Brandstater should get serious reps and consideration. Even if Simms can go, we might want to waive him and save the dough if Brandstater is up to it.

The Joker
11-15-2009, 06:28 PM
I don't ever want to see Chris Simms again in any capacity, footballing or otherwise.

go_broncos
11-15-2009, 06:29 PM
Why is simms even an option

SonOfLe-loLang
11-15-2009, 06:29 PM
I picked Simms partly because I'll be the only one who does ;D

But seriously, Brandstater should get serious reps and consideration. Even if Simms can go, we might want to waive him and save the dough if Brandstater is up to it.

I dont agree with part of this. Whoever is the guy, should get nearly all the reps in practice this week.

bronco militia
11-15-2009, 06:29 PM
chris simms will be fine throwing bubble screens and slants

peacepipe
11-15-2009, 06:32 PM
I dont agree with part of this. Whoever is the guy, should get nearly all the reps in practice this week.

how about all the reps.

tnedator
11-15-2009, 06:35 PM
I picked Simms partly because I'll be the only one who does ;D

But seriously, Brandstater should get serious reps and consideration. Even if Simms can go, we might want to waive him and save the dough if Brandstater is up to it.

Well, I'm the other person that went with Simms.

I can only go by what I have seen to date. Simms played solid in TB and in the pre-season. Brandstater had an OK game, mostly an good quarter, in preseason where if I remember he wound up with about a 50% completion rate. Just basing it on what I have seen of most rookies, especially late round, over the years. Most likely, Brandstater isn't ready to start.

RhymesayersDU
11-15-2009, 06:36 PM
Come gameday, I'll be backing whoever is the guy putting his hands under center.

Awesome. You're sitting on the fence. Very cute. How about this: leading up to gameday, who do you prefer, if it were up to you?

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 06:37 PM
chris simms will be fine throwing bubble screens and slants

I would have said the same thing .... eight hours ago.

frerottenextelway
11-15-2009, 06:38 PM
Awesome. You're sitting on the fence. Very cute. How about this: leading up to gameday, who do you prefer, if it were up to you?

This place has a massive case of PMS.

I don't get to see every practice and workout. Seeing the coach does, and he seems to be picking Simms, then that is who I back right now. Happy?

ColoradoDarin
11-15-2009, 06:38 PM
I'd rather get a Kyle Shanahan tattoo than watch Chris Simms play, although McD is supposed to be the QB guru, sooooo whatever.

Rohirrim
11-15-2009, 06:43 PM
Right now, I would take my dog over Simms. At least my dog can run.

RhymesayersDU
11-15-2009, 06:43 PM
This place has a massive case of PMS.

I don't get to see every practice and workout. Seeing the coach does, and he seems to be picking Simms, then that is who I back right now. Happy?

Yes, I have PMS because I was curious of your opinion on which QB should start. I'm totally on the rag right now.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 06:44 PM
Where were you guys four hours ago? :~ohyah!:


I can't believe Orton won't be ready next week ... he came out today after the half looking ready to go.

And everybody whould get real about the reality of backup quarterbacks.

They all suck.

Always.

Except Gary Kubiak.

frerottenextelway
11-15-2009, 06:46 PM
Where were you guys four hours ago? :~ohyah!:


I can't believe Orton won't be ready next week ... he came out today after the half looking ready to go.

And everybody whould get real about the reality of backup quarterbacks.

They all suck.

Always.

Except Gary Kubiak.

Steve Young turned out okay. :clown:

RhymesayersDU
11-15-2009, 06:46 PM
Where were you guys four hours ago? :~ohyah!:


I can't believe Orton won't be ready next week ... he came out today after the half looking ready to go.

And everybody whould get real about the reality of backup quarterbacks.

They all suck.

Always.

Except Gary Kubiak.

I'd add Kolb to that list in Philly. Actually, it would make a real interesting discussion, but a discussion that is super flawed since we see backups so rarely.

SoCalBronco
11-15-2009, 07:01 PM
It doesn't really matter as between those two. Brandstater's still a long way from being prepared to start an NFL game and Simms was about as ineffective as possible. Josh does alot of good things to make chicken **** at QB look like chicken salad, but even he wouldn't be able to find a way to win a game (against SD much less a scrub team like WSH) with one of those guys. I'm sure we'll probably put together a very conservative gameplan, but you know SD is going to blitz like hell and play tight man, forcing an accurate throw...something Simms simply can't make and its probably completely unfair to expect Brandstater to step into a game like this, with a defense frothing at the mouth, and somehow deliver.

Atwater His Ass
11-15-2009, 07:14 PM
Simms, based on his experience gives us the best chance to win.

Man-Goblin
11-15-2009, 07:24 PM
Rhyme, no one here can answer that question if it comes to it. We haven't seen the guys in practice.

But as I said in another thread, give Simms a week of reps and see how he performs.

Though, I will say this; I seriously doubt the staff, which obviously has more access than anyone here, thinks TB is a better option than Simms.

Popps
11-15-2009, 10:54 PM
The thing is, it's fun to root for a rookie. There's that "unknown" factor that makes fans prefer seeing a rookie over a vet like Simms. So, most of the time... I think fans are mistaken in wanting a rookie over a guy who has game experience. Hence, coaches usually go with a vet.

But, in this case... after seeing both play in the preseason, I just can't imagine how you make a case for Simms to play next week. ANY rookie could have played better than that. Seriously. We have him in the 2 slot for these situations. Just come in and protect a lead or score a TD, and the guy couldn't complete a friggin pass, and threw the game away.

Now, I know the mindset against a division rival in a huge game is going to be conservative, but I'm just not sure that's the right move.

Then again, as some have pointed out... we don't see these guys practice. The truth is usually hidden, in these situations. Brandstater may look great, but he may be a real dip****. We just don't know. We just see a big guy with a big arm and assume he's a better choice.

I'll trust McDaniels to do the right thing, but I have to say... if he goes with Simms, he'd better have a damned good reason, because Simms hasn't shown anything.

BMarsh615
11-15-2009, 11:03 PM
Brandstater looked like he had a lot of potential in the preseason, but he also made a few very questionable decisions. He isn't ready to play in the NFL yet IMO.

Taco John
11-15-2009, 11:04 PM
I have to go with BFF for a half and then put in the rook if things go south and see if he can spark up some excitement.

Popps
11-15-2009, 11:26 PM
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Taco John
11-15-2009, 11:30 PM
THere's a lot to like in that highlight video.

Popps
11-15-2009, 11:38 PM
THere's a lot to like in that highlight video.

Not a cannon arm, but pretty good zip... and he's a big dude who can move around and even run a little. (Though this scouting report disagrees with that part.)

Regards as the premier quarterback in the Western Athletic Conference, Brandstater possesses the range and arm strength that National Football League teams look for in a pro style quarterback. The unquestioned leader of the team put up impressive numbers since taking over the starting position as a sophomore, but has also excelled in the classroom, earning conference academic honors the last three seasons. His intelligence on the field is evident, but academically it is even more impressive, having graduated before his junior campaign and is finishing up work on his Master's degree.

Fresno State has boasted some great college quarterbacks in recent years and Brandstater has placed his name right next to the likes of Kevin Sweeney, Trent Dilfer, David Carr and Billy Volek in the school record books. He closed out his career ranking fifth in school annals in pass completions (584) and fourth in pass attempts (989), while ranking sixth all-time with 6,857 yards passing and 7,006 yards in total offense. His 47 touchdown passes placed him seventh in Bulldogs annals.

At Turlock High School, Brandstater was a relatively unknown prep quarterback, as he played in an offense that relied more on the running attack. He threw for more than 1,000 yards as a senior, but made a better impression as a defensive back. He earned first-team All-District defensive honors from the Modesto Bee and guided his team into the Sac-Joaquin Section Championship vs. Stockton Lincoln in his final campaign.

Brandstater was the top quarterback performer in Fresno State's Summer Football Camp in 2003. He decided to enroll at the university in 2004, spending the season as a redshirt. In 2005, he saw brief action in eight games behind starter Paul Pinegar, completing just 6 of 13 passes for 49 yards, one touchdown and an interception.

The following season, Brandstater earned the first of three Academic All-Western Athletic Conference honors. He started 10 of 11 games, completing 146 of 268 attempts (54.5 percent) for 1,490 yards, 13 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He then spent the summer working on his degree and with coach Pat Hill, as the pair worked on improving his throwing mechanics.

Brandstater arrived back on campus for 2007 fall drills having already earned his degree. It was time for him to also earn some national recognition. He finished 23rd in the NCAA with a 140.49 passing efficiency rating and finished sixth in the WAC with an average of 213.23 yards per game. He amassed 2,654 yards on 211 of 337 passes (62.6 percent), connecting for 15 touchdowns against only five interceptions.

The three-time Academic All-WAC choice topped his previous season's numbers as a senior. He ranked fourth in the league in passing efficiency and total offense, as he hit on 221 of 371 tosses (59.6 percent), generating a career-high 2,664 passing yards to go with 18 touchdowns, as he collected 2,614 yards in total offense.

Scouting Report
GENERAL REPORT: GRADE: 6.1

Body Structure: Brandstater has a tall frame with adequate upper body muscle definition, and his lower frame needs to develop better muscle tone. He has adequate thighs and calves, but his frame might be at maximum growth potential after adding 10 pounds prior to the 2004 season.

Athletic Ability: Brandstater has good size and good arm strength for the quarterback position, but lacks athletic agility and looks stiff in his change of direction. He can get some yardage off the bootleg, but seems to lack vision on the move, as he will run into spots or just toss the ball away with dire consequences. He operates out of a pro-style offense, so his arm was constantly on display, but had just pedestrian numbers and seemed to regress in 2008. He has adequate quickness dropping back from center, but lacks the feet to avoid the pass rush, as he tends to lose balance when flushed out of the pocket. His arm strength is his best asset, especially on intermediate and long tosses (34 completions for over 20 yards in 2008). He has enough ability to consistently put the ball where the receiver can catch it. But he must revert to 2007 form, where he was very good at locating second and third option targets instead of just throwing the ball into a crowd (interceptions increased for five in 2007 to 12 in 2008). GRADE: 5.4

Football Sense: Brandstater is a quick learner who calls a bulk of his plays from the line of scrimmage. He knows all protections and can recognize coverages on the pre-snap and on his pass drops. He is especially effective at reading hot routes and is quick to pick up the blitz. He is a three-time Academic All-WAC pick and graduated after just three years, so it is obvious that he will not have problems digesting a complicated playbook. GRADE: 7.2

Character: Brandstater is a solid individual who is well-respected, polite and shows a good work ethic. He has no known off-field issues and is highly intelligent. He is a classic team-first player who is smart, stable and has a good personality. GRADE: 6.5

Competitiveness: Brandstater is highly competitive, but there are times he tries to create something out of nothing and needs to know when it is best to just throw the ball away rather than force the issue. He shows good confidence in the huddle and is not the type who will show his frustration on the field. He is the type that tries to carry the team on his shoulders, but really did not have much to work with the last two years (most of his completions went to TE Bear Pascoe). He plays and practices with intensity and keeps his emotions under control in pressure situations. GRADE: 6.3

Work Habits: Brandstater is a good leader by example, but will get vocal when his teammates need it. He takes pride in being the quarterback and wants to do well, spending a lot of time in the film room or with the coaches. He works hard on and off the field and shows good ethic in the weight room. He will stand tall under pressure, take a hit and deliver. GRADE: 6.2

ATHLETIC REPORT: GRADE: 5.51

Set Up: Brandstater is just adequate in his set up. He does not really have heavy feet, but there are times where he looks too methodical in his drops. Once his feet are set, he will stand and deliver, though. He has a decent throwing motion, but has a bit of a wind-up in his release. He has the body control to stand tall and be ready in the pocket, but he seems to lose some velocity on his tosses when throwing on the run. His quickness dropping back from center is good and he does keep his feet under him, playing with good balance. GRADE: 5.3

Reading Defenses: As a junior, Brandstater seemed to have overcome his love for his primary target, doing a nice job of going through route progression to locate secondary targets. But as a senior, he tried to force the issue too much, resulting in him more than doubling his interceptions. Between the pass thefts and tosses he had broken up, the defense got a piece of 14 percent of his pass attempts in 2008 (12 interceptions, 40 pass deflections on 371 attempts). He is prone to making some bad decisions, as he just seems to throw too much into double coverage. He picks up the blitz and knows where to go with the ball, showing good vision and judgment on his reads, but tends to force the ball into coverage when his protection breaks down. He does show good timing and touch, but he has to stop forcing his throws into coverage. GRADE: 5.3

Release: Brandstater shows a high release on his throws. He will sometimes revert to a full wind up, but shows the ability to deliver most of his throws with quickness. Even when he uses a long throwing motion, he gets the ball away in time. When he keeps his delivery a little bit higher than three-quarters, he can carry the ball properly to get a quick release. GRADE: 6.0

Arm Strength: Brandstater shows adequate zip on his short to intermediate throws, but his long ball does float too much and he needs to get the ball away with a more consistent spiral (ball gets away from him when going deep). He can throw in the seam, but tends to feather the ball more than he should. GRADE: 5.7

Accuracy: Brandstater needs to improve his touchdown to interception ratio. His short passes are generally on target, except when forced to throw on the move. He has good touch with accuracy on the short throws, putting the ball where the receiver can catch it. He just does not show great accuracy throwing long, as he will force several throws into coverage rather than toss the ball away. He just needs to do a better job of reading defenders and coverage before he attempts to air it out. GRADE: 5.5

Touch: Brandstater is a bit inconsistent throwing the deep comeback from the opposite end of the field. He shows better touch and accuracy throwing short and intermediate. He takes a little too much off the ball throwing long (ball floats). He has decent anticipation and timing on routes, but there are occasions where he needs to throw the ball quicker, especially when pressured. On most of his pass thefts, it seemed as if he was not taking a good enough pre-snap look to see coverage and make the adjustment. GRADE: 5.2

Poise: Brandstater plays with good poise, as he will stand tall in the pocket and step into his throws. He can take a shot and stay composed in the pocket, but he will try to force some throws when trying to escape pressure. He has a presence standing in the pocket and is mechanically sound when not flushed out. GRADE: 6.0

Leadership: Brandstater is a solid leader both on and off the field. He wants the ball in his hands with the game on the line and shows that he has total command of the huddle. When he gets into a rhythm, he makes things happen. GRADE: 6.0

Pocket Movement: Brandstater is only adequate when throwing the ball rolling out and scrambling, as he lacks mobility and elusiveness in and out of the pocket. He moves around, but lacks the speed to be effective running the ball. He will step up and buy time, but is not a threat with his feet. He does have decent timed speed, but perhaps due to his tall, lanky frame, he fails to sink his pads and looks awkward when he has to run with the ball. GRADE: 5.2

Scrambling Ability: If your offense is looking for Brandstater to scramble or get any yards running with the ball, that could be a problem. He is a productive quarterback in the pocket, but even with his timed speed he is also a marginal open-field runner. He squares his shoulders properly on delivery, but does not have the scrambling skills or avoidance ability to throw on the run, as he does not look natural doing this. He seems to be more productive throwing when running to his right than to the opposite field. GRADE: 4.9

Compares To: MARK BULGER, St. Louis -- While Brandstater has the pro size, he will need to add more bulk. He has good command in the huddle and has operated in a pro-style defense, but despite what some others feel there seems to be too much inconsistency with him throwing long, especially on the move. He tries to force the ball too much between second-level defenders, and one look at the high amount of passes that have been picked off or deflected shows he still needs a lot of coaching and tutoring. Not to call him a product of the Fresno State system, but how many Bulldogs had success in the NFL?

slyinky
11-16-2009, 03:51 AM
Perhaps Josh McDaniels should suit up and do his best Doug Flutie impersonation. Proven winner as a QB in high school, only 33, knows the system...

TailgateNut
11-16-2009, 06:26 AM
I don't ever want to see Chris Simms again in any capacity, footballing or otherwise.

This!!!!

gtown
11-16-2009, 06:31 AM
Simms is not an NFL caliber QB. He wouldn't be in the league if his dad wasn't who he was.

2KBack
11-16-2009, 10:17 AM
Brandstater has by far the best skill set of Denver's current QB's. Rookie or not, if his grasp of the offense is equal to Simm's at this point, I want to see Brandstater. The reality of the team is that they are decent, better than last season I believe, but not still a mid-tier team. Losing Orton is a huge loss, he was a steadying force on an inconsistant and young team. Get the rook some reps.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-16-2009, 10:22 AM
I think that, if Orton is out for any significant amount of time, we need to start looking towards next year anyway and start the kid. We have to see what we've got in him before the draft. If he really is going to be just a career backup, or if he's capable of starting, we need to know this season.