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Popps
11-15-2009, 03:56 PM
Obviously, McD and Co. aren't going to let on... but maybe something will slip out. We really need him back next week.

He was standing, which is probably a good sign. Ankle injuries are a b****, though. Speculation... if it were severe, he would have been on crutches or at least iced up. Though, maybe he couldn't be because we didn't have a 3rd active QB?

Hope he's a quick healer...

The Joker
11-15-2009, 03:59 PM
Brandstater can still come in as emergency QB, even if he's declared inactive.

Orton needs to play next week, and at 100% too, otherwise we're ****ed.

broncolife
11-15-2009, 04:00 PM
Obviously, McD and Co. aren't going to let on... but maybe something will slip out. We really need him back next week.

He was standing, which is probably a good sign. Ankle injuries are a b****, though. Speculation... if it were severe, he would have been on crutches or at least iced up. Though, maybe he couldn't be because we didn't have a 3rd active QB?

Hope he's a quick healer...

Its seems we didnt have a 2nd active qb either :)

ElwayMD
11-15-2009, 04:00 PM
Good thing he isn't a mobile QB to begin with I just hope he's healthy enough to plant that foot solidly next week.

Popps
11-15-2009, 04:01 PM
As luck would have it, I'm coming off of a 2nd degree ankle-turn, myself. (Hoops.. of course.) Whole foot is black and blue and was puffed for about 7 days. Limp is gone, but still sore.

These injuries are a bitch!

oubronco
11-15-2009, 04:01 PM
they said high ankle sprain really restricts his open field explosiveness

Popps
11-15-2009, 04:01 PM
Its seems we didnt have a 2nd active qb either :)

You got that right.

jacob2125
11-15-2009, 04:05 PM
they said high ankle sprain really restricts his open field explosiveness

Damnit! There goes our wildhorses double reverse to Orton play.

broncolife
11-15-2009, 04:06 PM
they said high ankle sprain really restricts his open field explosiveness

I guess we cant run the option anymore. :)

oubronco
11-15-2009, 04:07 PM
Damnit! There goes our wildhorses double reverse to Orton play.

LOL yep we're done

oubronco
11-15-2009, 04:08 PM
I guess we cant run the option anymore. :)

wishbone baby

HEAV
11-15-2009, 04:12 PM
Orton came up hobbling after being tackled on a third-down scramble right before halftime. He was on the sideline during the second half, his ankle heavily taped.

"I was hoping to come back out, and I just wasn't able to," said Orton, who was 11 for 18 for 193 yards and two long touchdown passes to Brandon Marshall.

Coming out of halftime, Orton said he tried a few practice throws but then told coach Josh McDaniels he wouldn't be able to play.

Orton said after the game it was too soon to say whether he would be able to play against the San Diego Chargers next Sunday.

"I'm not going to sit here and talk about it," he said.

oubronco
11-15-2009, 04:19 PM
Looks like Chrissy or Brandstetter hopefully the latter

go_broncos
11-15-2009, 04:20 PM
I don't think we will know about the injury.
I believe he will not be able to go next week.

Broncotilldeath
11-15-2009, 04:38 PM
This kind of reminds of 2003 when we had two QB's hurt, it's not the case here but has some of the same feeling to me.

If Orton cant go and Simms just plain sucks, why not start the rook?

frerottenextelway
11-15-2009, 04:41 PM
Bring This Guy Back!

http://offsideswithfletcher.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/vanpelt.jpg

bpc
11-15-2009, 04:42 PM
If Orton is down and we lose next week, we should be starting Brandstater after the Giants game on Thanksgiving.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-15-2009, 04:44 PM
Are you there, God? It's me, Moose.

Please don't let Chris Simms start for my team against Marmalard and the cellphone chargers next week. Please.

Thank you.

oubronco
11-15-2009, 04:46 PM
Are you there, God? It's me, Moose.

Please don't let Chris Simms start for my team against Marmalard and the cellphone chargers next week. Please.

Thank you.

Yes moose this is god do we have anyone better?

NYC Bronco
11-15-2009, 04:51 PM
Jay Glazer says Orton expected to miss SD game.

lazarus4444
11-15-2009, 04:51 PM
Just heard on FOX that the Broncos expect Orton to miss next weeks game :(

bpc
11-15-2009, 04:51 PM
FOX REPORT: Jay Glazer reports Denver expects Orton to miss next week's game at the minimum.

That means it's Chris Simms vs. SD.

FUN!

bronco militia
11-15-2009, 04:51 PM
Jay Glazer says Orton expected to miss SD game.

just heard that too

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF

bronco militia
11-15-2009, 04:52 PM
oh well...anyone can get ready in week if they only throw slants and bubble screens

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-15-2009, 04:52 PM
Yes moose this is god do we have anyone better?

Hi God! :welcome: Yes we do! he's the guy that threw for almost 200 yards and two touchdowns in the first half. Kyle... Neckbeard, I think.

go_broncos
11-15-2009, 04:52 PM
I really hope Orton plays next week..If not, i want Tom starts next week..

I don't care if we win or lose..I dont want to see Simms as our starter

Soul-Bronco
11-15-2009, 04:53 PM
On fox post game they just said Jay Glazer reports the broncos dont expect kyle orton to play next week. DAM IT

go_broncos
11-15-2009, 04:53 PM
Just heard on FOX that the Broncos expect Orton to miss next weeks game :(

did he say who will be the starter..I hope it is not simms.

TDmvp
11-15-2009, 04:54 PM
http://usversusthem.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/jeff_garcia_and_carmella_de.jpg

Jeff Garcia and your wife to the red emergency phone

Soul-Bronco
11-15-2009, 04:55 PM
omfg garcia's wife is hot. and TO called him gay LOL

SonOfLe-loLang
11-15-2009, 04:55 PM
Just heard on FOX that the Broncos expect Orton to miss next weeks game :(

we're done

Ramathorn
11-15-2009, 04:55 PM
OT on fox just reported that orton WILL miss next week. damn damn damn.

Soul-Bronco
11-15-2009, 04:56 PM
start brandstater simms just flat sucks

go_broncos
11-15-2009, 04:57 PM
If Orton sits..our coach will call lot of screens..

TDmvp
11-15-2009, 04:57 PM
omfg garcia's wife is hot. and TO called him gay LOL

Yea I've always said If Jeff's gay I want to be gay like that ... cause she is just way hot... and the one he dated before her is just as hot .

and on a side note has anyone ever seen TO with a girl ?

Que
11-15-2009, 04:57 PM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/106/307334648_c004d1b070.jpg

RhymesayersDU
11-15-2009, 04:57 PM
Does anybody remember when a certain Jay Cutler had a pretty nasty leg injury in Detroit, and then toughed it out and played the next week?














































I'm kidding. Just stirring the pot.

Broncotilldeath
11-15-2009, 04:58 PM
Yea I've always said If Jeff's gay I want to be gay like that ... cause she is just way hot... and the one he dated before her is just as hot .

and on a side note has anyone ever seen TO with a girl ?

Just his sister which is an odd relationship.

BlaK-Argentina
11-15-2009, 04:58 PM
I'm not sure I trust Fox too much. I'll wait to hear it from him or McD.

That said, if he can't go, we can kiss the division goodbye.

This sucks. Simms is just beyond awful. I'd start Brandstater.

Soul-Bronco
11-15-2009, 05:00 PM
its gonna have to fall on KM and the defense. I mean wtf all simms had to do was throw it away from Dbl coverage. this game sucked in so many ways

DAM REFSSSSSSS 3 huge blown calls

elsid13
11-15-2009, 05:09 PM
Does anybody remember when a certain Jay Cutler had a pretty nasty leg injury in Detroit, and then toughed it out and played the next week?

I'm kidding. Just stirring the pot.


You might be kidding, but Orton has not completed a full season in the NFL if I remember correctly. Cutler does take a pounding but still seems to show up every week.

azbroncfan
11-15-2009, 05:22 PM
Orton has played before on some pretty bad sprains I think. He looked pissed to me that he was on the bench that second half.

Rigs11
11-15-2009, 05:25 PM
So Simms will get all the snaps at practice this week right? So according to the Simms cheerleaders around here he should be ready to go?

Meck77
11-15-2009, 05:25 PM
I don't believe any report this early.

BlaK-Argentina
11-15-2009, 05:29 PM
So Simms will get all the snaps at practice this week right? So according to the Simms cheerleaders around here he should be ready to go?

If Simms starts next week I'm not even sure I have the will power to watch the game.

RhymesayersDU
11-15-2009, 05:30 PM
Like I just posted in the other thread, we need Orton badly.

Next week is the season IMO, and a week's worth of reps at the #1 spot won't help Simms or Brandstater.

We really need Orton. With him, we have a shot. If we beat SD next week I think we win the division, but we need Orton to do that.

mr007
11-15-2009, 05:36 PM
If we beat SD next week I think we win the division, but we need Orton to do that.

Probably the last thing I would ever think about reading prior to the start of the off season. Sadly it's true, Simms looked like ass today.

Jens1893
11-15-2009, 05:38 PM
unfortunately, i think an ankle sprain was the turning point for orton last season in chicago. his numbers dropped afterwards .... he started off with a td/int ratio of 10-4 in the first 8 (or 7.5 games) and tossed 8 picks and 8 tds in the 7 games after his return.

Kyle Orton 2008

First 7.5 games - 10 TDs, 4 INTs
Suffered an ankle injury just before the half in the 8th game of the season
Last 7 games - 8 TDs, 8 INTs - 66.9 QB Rating

Donīt know what his rating up until the injury was, but he finished the season with a rating of 79.6, so I am guessing it must have been in the high 80s.

Kyle Orton 2009

First 8.5 games - 11 TDs, 4 INTs - 91.1 QB Rating
Suffered an ankle injury just before the half in Game 9

cabronco
11-15-2009, 05:47 PM
I would think its still way too early to tell. If he is out I would sure like to see Brandstater in there, but we prolly wont. The way Simms was getting up after tackles B-Stater may see action any ways.

Popps
11-15-2009, 05:49 PM
Damn. This sounds rough, but like I said.. suffering through a sprain right now myself, I couldn't imagine suiting up a week later. It looked bad, and hell... who knows which one it even is.

I'm on the Brandstater bandwagon. May as well see where we are with him. I'm convinced he also gives us a better shot to win this week.

Broncotilldeath
11-15-2009, 05:51 PM
Damn. This sounds rough, but like I said.. suffering through a sprain right now myself, I couldn't imagine suiting up a week later. It looked bad, and hell... who knows which one it even is.

I'm on the Brandstater bandwagon. May as well see where we are with him. I'm convinced he also gives us a better shot to win this week.

Yeah I have rolled my ankle before, it sure feels like it's broken at first with all the swelling and color change.

If it's as bad as mine was, I agree, I couldn't imagine playing on it.

Popps
11-15-2009, 06:00 PM
Yeah I have rolled my ankle before, it sure feels like it's broken at first with all the swelling and color change.

If it's as bad as mine was, I agree, I couldn't imagine playing on it.

If it's a 1st degree sprain, he MIGHT be able to go in 2 weeks. If it's worse, he may be out several.

This is when you go ahead and develop your potential future QB, if you have one in mind.

eddie mac
11-15-2009, 06:11 PM
Lighten up guys ffs. We have the Chargers right where we want them. No QB, injuries on the OL, DL and a defense that has looked mediocre in the last couple of games.

Denver 31 San Diego 10

Believe.

cabronco
11-15-2009, 06:18 PM
Just when it was looking good, in the fact Orton was throwing and connecting on long passes...If he's going to be out awhile, I say lets see what Brandstater can do. We know he's tall , mobile, and can throw down field. Simms looked like a deer in headlights, w/ less mobility than Kyle.

mr007
11-15-2009, 06:37 PM
If it's a 1st degree sprain, he MIGHT be able to go in 2 weeks. If it's worse, he may be out several.

This is when you go ahead and develop your potential future QB, if you have one in mind.

Umm if it's a 1st degree sprain, he'll definitely be ready by next week. That would be a best case scenario with an ankle.

jebures
11-15-2009, 07:08 PM
I am a physical Therapy student and the injury looked like a medial ankle sprain which are far more rare than the usual lateral ankle role. Patients tend to be in far more pain with those medial injuries so this does not look good. The only encouraging sign was that he was standing on the sidelines on his own and they werent icing it. The not icing it part really perplexes me, but this probably shows that it is not as severe as it could have been.

Orange4Life
11-15-2009, 07:10 PM
Shaving the neckbeard=Sampson cutting his hair.

Maybe we can talk Rod into coming in to play QB. Anyone but simms at this point. ****

tsiguy96
11-15-2009, 07:10 PM
vic lombardi said orton was walking around in dress shoes after the game, no crutches or ice...

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 07:11 PM
If Kyle can't go, think it will be Brandstater.

Remember how Josh treats guys who have crappy games: Kern, Hamilton, JMFW, etc ... he's not sentimental.

jebures
11-15-2009, 07:11 PM
vic lombardi said orton was walking around in dress shoes after the game, no crutches or ice...

this is very good news

LongDongJohnson
11-15-2009, 07:34 PM
maybe mcdaniels is trying to screw with the chargers head. trying to make them think simms is starting.

he is from new england after all.

BroncoSojia
11-15-2009, 07:36 PM
Lighten up guys ffs. We have the Chargers right where we want them. No QB, injuries on the OL, DL and a defense that has looked mediocre in the last couple of games.

Denver 10 San Diego 31

unbelievable.


fixed

Meck77
11-15-2009, 07:38 PM
maybe mcdaniels is trying to screw with the chargers head. trying to make them think simms is starting.

he is from new england after all.

Well sure. Why wouldn't he?

NFLBRONCO
11-15-2009, 07:44 PM
If it's a 1st degree sprain, he MIGHT be able to go in 2 weeks. If it's worse, he may be out several.

This is when you go ahead and develop your potential future QB, if you have one in mind.

I would expect him to miss 2 games since we play on turkey day.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-15-2009, 08:15 PM
If he was that badly hurt, why wasn't he getting ice and treatment? The guy was on the sidelines, helmet on, without extra tape or anything. Gah.

Here's hopin'.

Rulon Velvet Jones
11-15-2009, 08:21 PM
He'll play. He'll play and he'll ****ing win because that's all Kyle Orton does, bitches.

Soul-Bronco
11-15-2009, 08:22 PM
we need to win this game vs SD, they have cleveland and KC after us. That would put us in a really crappy position

Popps
11-15-2009, 08:34 PM
Umm if it's a 1st degree sprain, he'll definitely be ready by next week. That would be a best case scenario with an ankle.

I wouldn't say definitely. But, you're right... I suppose it could be a possibility.

But, "definitely?" That's very questionable...

A first-degree ankle sprain usually heals enough in 5 to 7 days to allow modified activity. Complete healing requires an average of 6 weeks.

http://www.mdadvice.com/library/sport/sport238.html

Of course, we have no idea what degree we're talking about.

Popps
11-15-2009, 08:36 PM
I would expect him to miss 2 games since we play on turkey day.

Damn, another good point. We have a short week.

Ugh.


This is going to be interesting to watch play out. My guess is that McDaniels will keep it conservative and go with Simms, but he'll be preparing Brandstater to see action in the game.

I'll trust whatever he does, but as a fan... it sure looks like TB gives us the best chance to win.

Soul-Bronco
11-15-2009, 08:36 PM
vic lombardi said orton was walking around in dress shoes after the game, no crutches or ice...

PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE! but if it is why the crap was he not in the game at least in the 4th quarter?

HEAV
11-15-2009, 08:38 PM
Could be an achilles tendon injury.

RhymesayersDU
11-15-2009, 08:53 PM
He'll play. He'll play and he'll ****ing win because that's all Kyle Orton does, b****es.

He'll just down a full bottle of Jack during warm ups, and run through some hoes at halftime.


/the kingneckbeard Twitter account

RMT
11-15-2009, 08:55 PM
run orton from the shotgun to reduce the amount of mobility needed to run the offense. i think orton could pass the team to a win. better than watching simms hand off, bounce passes, and throw INTs all afternoon.

Taco John
11-15-2009, 08:57 PM
You don't tug on superman's cape,
You don't take cream or sugar when drinking coffee in Seattle,
You never go for it on fourth down inside your own 30,
and for goodness sake YOU DON'T SHAVE THE NECKBEARD IN NOVEMBER!

SoCalBronco
11-15-2009, 09:02 PM
Just keep him away from Greek and he'll be fine by gameday.

Broncotilldeath
11-15-2009, 09:06 PM
If it's a 1st degree sprain, he MIGHT be able to go in 2 weeks. If it's worse, he may be out several.

This is when you go ahead and develop your potential future QB, if you have one in mind.

That sounds about right, at lease a week most likely 2-3.

BlaK-Argentina
11-15-2009, 09:07 PM
I never thought I would care so much about Orton playing.

Please let him play, please let him play, please let him play.

Rulon Velvet Jones
11-15-2009, 09:11 PM
I love everyone making a diagnosis based on what they saw on TV and various Twitter reports.

Meck77
11-15-2009, 09:13 PM
Interesting dynamic to hit the orangemane to say the least. Early on it was Cutler vs Orton. Then everyone got high on Orton. Then he dropped a few games and people were calling for his head. Now some of these same people are throwing in the towel because we don't have our "worthless" QB anymore.

It really is schizophrenic.

bronco610
11-15-2009, 09:18 PM
Interesting dynamic to hit the orangemane to say the least. Early on it was Cutler vs Orton. Then everyone got high on Orton. Then he dropped a few games and people were calling for his head. Now some of these same people are throwing in the towel because we don't have our "worthless" QB anymore.

It really is schizophrenic.

Whats your point? ;D

BlaK-Argentina
11-15-2009, 09:20 PM
Interesting dynamic to hit the orangemane to say the least. Early on it was Cutler vs Orton. Then everyone got high on Orton. Then he dropped a few games and people were calling for his head. Now some of these same people are throwing in the towel because we don't have our "worthless" QB anymore.

It really is schizophrenic.

I've always been behind Orton but after watching Simms... well, Orton = Manning.

BigPlayShay
11-15-2009, 09:51 PM
On CBS 4 All Access Gary Miller said Orton was on Crutches with the ankle iced, then after an X-Ray he was walking around in dress shoes. Interesting that after the X-Ray he was off the crutches. MRI tomorrow.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 09:54 PM
On CBS 4 All Access Gary Miller said Orton was on Crutches with the ankle iced, then after an X-Ray he was walking around in dress shoes. Interesting that after the X-Ray he was off the crutches. MRI tomorrow.

What?

Lombardi said the exact opposite.

Lev Vyvanse
11-15-2009, 09:57 PM
What?

Lombardi said the exact opposite.

I think the point was Lombardi didn't see him until after the X-Ray and that the X-Ray must have been clean.

BigPlayShay
11-15-2009, 10:02 PM
What?

Lombardi said the exact opposite.

No, all Lombardi said was:

http://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/5754745232

By the way, Orton was walking around in his dress shoes after the game. And we know how uncomfortable those Italian loafers can be.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 10:05 PM
Sounds good then.

Popps
11-15-2009, 10:05 PM
I love everyone making a diagnosis based on what they saw on TV and various Twitter reports.

You'd prefer we were bashing Jay Cutler? We can accommodate you...

:wiggle:

BMarsh615
11-15-2009, 10:12 PM
An ankle injury last year completely ruined his season. He was playing very good football until he got hurt against Detroit. After that injury he had horrible mechanics and lost a lot of zip on his ball. :(

Popps
11-15-2009, 10:14 PM
I'm just trying to think of a sprain severe enough that there was NO way he could return today, despite the Simms-disaster....

yet... not bad enough to keep him out next Sunday?


It just seems unlikely.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 10:18 PM
Yeah, he looked about ready to go at halftime.

Bronco Yoda
11-15-2009, 10:24 PM
GOOD NEWS!

I've counteracted the neck beard-shaving hex by shaving my right armpit and braiding my left. This will work...

Orton WILL play this week. Thank me later :)

BMarsh615
11-15-2009, 10:24 PM
I'm just trying to think of a sprain severe enough that there was NO way he could return today, despite the Simms-disaster....

yet... not bad enough to keep him out next Sunday?


It just seems unlikely.

Last year he missed the following after his injury but played the rest of the season.

DBroncos4life
11-15-2009, 10:26 PM
Last year he missed the following after his injury but played the rest of the season.

Not very well though. Which is something to be concerned about. Hopefully this wasn't as bad as last year.

BroncoMan4ever
11-15-2009, 10:27 PM
Bring This Guy Back!

http://offsideswithfletcher.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/vanpelt.jpg

had he been coming out of college last year instead of several years ago, he would have probably been a 3rd round pick because he is a perfect QB for the Wildcat formation

BroncoMan4ever
11-15-2009, 10:28 PM
An ankle injury last year completely ruined his season. He was playing very good football until he got hurt against Detroit. After that injury he had horrible mechanics and lost a lot of zip on his ball. :(

he couldn't step into throws anymore. guaranteed had he not been injured last season, Chicago does not trade for Cutler this season.

BMarsh615
11-15-2009, 10:44 PM
he couldn't step into throws anymore. guaranteed had he not been injured last season, Chicago does not trade for Cutler this season.

I agree. That injury ruined a very good season for him last year. They definitely would have made the playoffs had he not gotten hurt. Hopefully he can play better through this injury.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-15-2009, 10:56 PM
had he been coming out of college last year instead of several years ago, he would have probably been a 3rd round pick because he is a perfect QB for the Wildcat formation

If he's perfect for the wild cat, then so are dozens of other mobile college QBs

Hulamau
11-15-2009, 11:05 PM
they said high ankle sprain really restricts his open field explosiveness

Ironically, same thing happened ... same time ... last year for kyle who had been mentioned frequently as a possible pro bowl candidate in the first half of the year for the Bears, only that was worse as he had to be carted off the field during game 9.

He came back after missing only one game, much against what was good for his own health as he needed a 4 week break to properly heal, because he is a tough son of a gun and didn't want to let the team down. Those are the kind of reasons his teammates love the guy.

Alas, he didn't quite regain his form from then on until the end of the year.

I don't know if this is the same ankle? Hope not or it could be a long term problem.

Popps
11-15-2009, 11:11 PM
Ironically, same thing happened ... same time ... last year for kyle who had been mentioned frequently as a possible pro bowl candidate in the first half of the year for the Bears, only that was worse as he had to be carted off the field during game 9.

He came back after missing only one game, much against what was good for his own health as he needed a 4 week break to properly heal, because he is a tough son of a gun and didn't want to let the team down. Those are the kind of reasons his teammates love the guy.

Alas, he didn't quite regain his form from then on until the end of the year.

I don't know if this is the same ankle? Hope not or it could be a long term problem.


This is a bummer, bro.

Lombardi said he was walking around in dress shoes, though. If he's telling the truth, that's a good sign. Even a 2nd degree sprain should be treated (in his situation) with a walking or soft cast for a day or so, I'd think.

I guess we just wait, now... and hope for the best.

I'm fairly sure most people realize how important he is to our franchise, at this point.

Boltjolt
11-15-2009, 11:18 PM
I hope he plays. I just don think it will matter though. We were missing 4 starters in our first meeting with two being on the OL and one of them is still out(our OC). Plus Merriman was limping around. Our RT went down today and hopefully he will be back but haven't heard what he injured.

I welcome Orton to play. Hope he can but the key for us will be run defense because if Orton plays and is hobbled, he won't be very mobile to get away.

Hulamau
11-15-2009, 11:18 PM
I'm just trying to think of a sprain severe enough that there was NO way he could return today, despite the Simms-disaster....

yet... not bad enough to keep him out next Sunday?


It just seems unlikely.

I'm hoping it was Josh and the staff erring on the side of caution due to what happened to Kyle last year when he came back to soon from a truly severe high ankle sprain which I hope was not the same ankle.

Maybe he is cursed with the MMP3 gene - CC variation that makes a person prone to tendon and ligament weakness?? We need to draft guys from now on with the COL1A1-AA 'superman gene' that surround your ligaments with greater collagen according to ESPN mag :-)

I'm all for a little stem cell research project on Orton ... see if we can work a miracle on him by Sunday.

If he can play, I have a hunch this team is gonna come out fired to the gills against the Chargers .. ala Ravens against us after three losses ... if not its gonna be a long afternoon

Taco John
11-15-2009, 11:22 PM
I wonder if Kyle's going to be listed with a lower extremity injury... Ha!

Popps
11-15-2009, 11:25 PM
I wonder if Kyle's going to be listed with a lower extremity injury... Ha!

Ya think.

BroncoMan4ever
11-15-2009, 11:43 PM
If he's perfect for the wild cat, then so are dozens of other mobile college QBs

i'm not saying all mobile QBs are good for the wildcat. Van Pelt was basically a RB that also was a decent QB. he was basically a bigger, slower, white Vick.

Soul-Bronco
11-16-2009, 06:03 AM
I hope he plays. I just don think it will matter though. We were missing 4 starters in our first meeting with two being on the OL and one of them is still out(our OC). Plus Merriman was limping around. Our RT went down today and hopefully he will be back but haven't heard what he injured.

I welcome Orton to play. Hope he can but the key for us will be run defense because if Orton plays and is hobbled, he won't be very mobile to get away.

Thats the exact attitude im hoping the whole SD team has coming into this game.

TonyR
11-16-2009, 06:39 AM
FWIW, on Mike & Mike this morning they said "he's going to be out for a while" whatever that means. I have strong doubts that he plays this week.

gyldenlove
11-16-2009, 06:51 AM
Does anyone know if it was the right or left leg? I hope it was the left, but for some reason I think it was the right.

Denver724
11-16-2009, 06:55 AM
Schefter said on ESPN this morning that he had this same injury last year at around the same time. Missed one game and was never the same. Threw 10 TD and 4 int in first part of season and ended up with 8 TD and 8 int after injury.

TailgateNut
11-16-2009, 06:58 AM
Put Orton in a wheelchair and start him over the ****ing LOSER. A crippled Orton wearing a damn blindfold and one hand tied to the chair could outperform that ****ing idiot.
If not bring in the third string.

Chris Simms sucks. PERIOD!

CSU Husker
11-16-2009, 07:35 AM
Schefter said on ESPN this morning that he had this same injury last year at around the same time. Missed one game and was never the same. Threw 10 TD and 4 int in first part of season and ended up with 8 TD and 8 int after injury.

Even at that post-injury clip, Orton is 100 times better than Simms. We just need him out there ASAP.

gtown
11-16-2009, 07:37 AM
Even at that post-injury clip, Orton is 100 times better than Simms. We just need him out there ASAP.


That is the truth.

go_broncos
11-16-2009, 07:40 AM
If Mcd starts Simms over Tom...there is no chance to win against SD.

After that game, he was smiling...I want to punch simms.

Mountain Bronco
11-16-2009, 07:48 AM
I am a physical Therapy student and the injury looked like a medial ankle sprain which are far more rare than the usual lateral ankle role. Patients tend to be in far more pain with those medial injuries so this does not look good. The only encouraging sign was that he was standing on the sidelines on his own and they werent icing it. The not icing it part really perplexes me, but this probably shows that it is not as severe as it could have been.

We already have one fully licensed doctor who is comfortable making medical diagnosis from the TV, we don't need another.

Sorry, it is just a pet peve of mine. Moving on.

I thought half of this board was calling for Simms last week, what is wrong with him now. Paging Woodrow??????

gyldenlove
11-16-2009, 08:02 AM
Even at that post-injury clip, Orton is 100 times better than Simms. We just need him out there ASAP.

A pile of rocks would make a better QB than Chris Simms.

lostknight
11-16-2009, 08:05 AM
Orton has a history of collapsing after injuries, so we need to be very careful. Chicago rushed him back.

As for Simms and Brandstater, let's see what a week of reps with the first/second team means.

Rabb
11-16-2009, 08:07 AM
I am not overreacting here, but I am so on the Tom B. train right now it is not even funny

get the kid in there, he will not do worse than spleen

TailgateNut
11-16-2009, 08:10 AM
I am not overreacting here, but I am so on the Tom B. train right now it is not even funny

get the kid in there, he will not do worse than spleen


I'll second that motion. Simms is just plain horrible.

One of the ushers in the stadium could do better. Simms is overpaid, overated, and under-qualified.

Rohirrim
11-16-2009, 08:11 AM
Simms reminded me of that time long ago when they let that writer, George Plimpton, play for the Detroit Lions. Plimpton looked better than Simms.

55CrushEm
11-16-2009, 08:20 AM
I am not overreacting here, but I am so on the Tom B. train right now it is not even funny

get the kid in there, he will not do worse than spleen

Yup......and I hear all the stuff about Brandstater only being a rookie, so "he's not ready".....but let's fact it....Simms isn't ready either.

And regardless of him "being ready" or not.....I whole-heartedly believe that Brandstater will do as good, or better than Simms. If we're going to lose this game...I want to lose it with the rook....it would be WAAAAY to painful to watch Simms back there for one more minute.

orange 4 life
11-16-2009, 08:21 AM
Orton came up hobbling after being tackled on a third-down scramble right before halftime. He was on the sideline during the second half, his ankle heavily taped.

"I was hoping to come back out, and I just wasn't able to," said Orton, who was 11 for 18 for 193 yards and two long touchdown passes to Brandon Marshall.

Coming out of halftime, Orton said he tried a few practice throws but then told coach Josh McDaniels he wouldn't be able to play.

Orton said after the game it was too soon to say whether he would be able to play against the San Diego Chargers next Sunday.

"I'm not going to sit here and talk about it," he said.

I just don't get it. Though he is a solid leader and PLAYER (who can obviously make all the throws in case anyone still doubted) Orton's BIGGEST attribute has always been his toughness. While it didn't surprise me TOO MUCH to see him not start the second half, it SHOCKED me that he didn't come out in the 4th quarter when it had become apparent that Simms was useless. The man was walking, and a HOBBLED Orton would've still been an EXPONENTIALLY better player than Simms was.

Sure, the defense played a poor second half....again, but does anyone REALLY think we still lose that game if Orton plays?

We better hope he's on the field Sunday or the coin toss is likely to be the highlight.

orange 4 life
11-16-2009, 08:24 AM
Schefter said on ESPN this morning that he had this same injury last year at around the same time. Missed one game and was never the same. Threw 10 TD and 4 int in first part of season and ended up with 8 TD and 8 int after injury.

Doesn't matter. He's STILL far and away our best option, and our offensive line is better than chigago's.
We'll have to go max protect more than we want, but the bottom line is we NEED to rush him back, because he IS OUR SEASON.

Without him, we can all pack it in and wait for next year.

Boobs McGee
11-16-2009, 08:32 AM
Maybe I didn't see it right, but it looked to me like BOTH of his ankles got effed... nobody else saw this? His back foot looked like it got tweaked pretty bad as he was going down. Anybody have the video?

Los Broncos
11-16-2009, 09:27 AM
As luck would have it, I'm coming off of a 2nd degree ankle-turn, myself. (Hoops.. of course.) Whole foot is black and blue and was puffed for about 7 days. Limp is gone, but still sore.

These injuries are a b****!

And that's no joke, it seems to take forever to heal up.

watermock
11-16-2009, 09:33 AM
Shoot a double of cort in it and give him a double of Jack and Tussin.

*Boosh!*

BroncoLifer
11-16-2009, 10:46 AM
FWIW, on Mike & Mike this morning they said "he's going to be out for a while" whatever that means.

Consider the source. Why would we believe that those two have any insider information on the Broncos?

Rulon Velvet Jones
11-16-2009, 10:49 AM
Consider the source. Why would we believe that those two have any insider information on the Broncos?

The only place they would have gotten it would be Schefter or swiped from Glazer.

PaintballCLE
11-16-2009, 11:01 AM
just load him up on vicodin.........worked wonders for favre LOL

BroncoMan4ever
11-16-2009, 11:24 AM
I just don't get it. Though he is a solid leader and PLAYER (who can obviously make all the throws in case anyone still doubted) Orton's BIGGEST attribute has always been his toughness. While it didn't surprise me TOO MUCH to see him not start the second half, it SHOCKED me that he didn't come out in the 4th quarter when it had become apparent that Simms was useless. The man was walking, and a HOBBLED Orton would've still been an EXPONENTIALLY better player than Simms was.

Sure, the defense played a poor second half....again, but does anyone REALLY think we still lose that game if Orton plays?

We better hope he's on the field Sunday or the coin toss is likely to be the highlight.

while i agree that even a hobbled Orton playing at 50% of his ability is exponentially better than Simms, i am glad he didn't come back in the 4th quarter even if he could have.

i am of the belief that Orton will play next week, and McD and Orton decided it would be best to rest and heal up rather than push it and have a repeat of last season.

the ankle is nowhere near as bad as it was last season, because last year he had to be carted off the field, but it was bad enough that he would either not be able to plant his foot to step into throws or was too sore to drop back smoothly. plus when a defense knows the QB is not able to scramble because of injury they tee off on that QB. Washington would have blitzed the **** out of Orton in the 2nd half and probably injured him furth.

Rulon Velvet Jones
11-16-2009, 11:26 AM
If it was bad, he wouldn't have been standing on it the entire 2nd half and parading around, doing media and moving in the locker room.

I think he plays, as well.

Where do Glazer and ESPN get their crap?

BroncoMan4ever
11-16-2009, 11:32 AM
Schefter said on ESPN this morning that he had this same injury last year at around the same time. Missed one game and was never the same. Threw 10 TD and 4 int in first part of season and ended up with 8 TD and 8 int after injury.

get this team on the case. they'll have him fixed and at practice in an hour, commercials included

http://www.mrcbr.com/wp-content/uploads/houseposterbd2.jpg

also on a side note, Cuddy on that show just seems to be getting hotter every week

BroncoMan4ever
11-16-2009, 11:35 AM
If it was bad, he wouldn't have been standing on it the entire 2nd half and parading around, doing media and moving in the locker room.

I think he plays, as well.

Where do Glazer and ESPN get their crap?

i agree. if it were bad he would have either been out of pads on crutches on the sidelines or he would have never come back out of the locker room at the start of the 2nd half.

a lot of media crap keeps pointing to the time table of last years ankle injury, this ankle injury is nowhere near as bad as last seasons. he was able to get up and walk off the field, and going to the locker room he was able to do a light jog.

he is going to play. he may be a little hobbled in practice this week, but we will not see a Simms game next week

55CrushEm
11-16-2009, 11:43 AM
i agree. if it were bad he would have either been out of pads on crutches on the sidelines or he would have never come back out of the locker room at the start of the 2nd half.

a lot of media crap keeps pointing to the time table of last years ankle injury, this ankle injury is nowhere near as bad as last seasons. he was able to get up and walk off the field, and going to the locker room he was able to do a light jog.

he is going to play. he may be a little hobbled in practice this week, but we will not see a Simms game next week

I totally agree with this as well. As has been mentioned already.....no crutches, no icing, no boot, supposedly put his dress shoes on after the game.....this just doesn't add up to a serious injury to me. He even had his helmet on in the 2nd half....to me that means they were at least THINKING of putting him back in.

If they even remotely thought it was that serious....wouldn't they have him at least sitting down or on crutches as a precautionary measure??

BUT.....if all the above means it really is NOT serious, as I like to think.....then why the **** was it bad enough for him to NOT PLAY??

BroncoMan4ever
11-16-2009, 12:04 PM
I totally agree with this as well. As has been mentioned already.....no crutches, no icing, no boot, supposedly put his dress shoes on after the game.....this just doesn't add up to a serious injury to me. He even had his helmet on in the 2nd half....to me that means they were at least THINKING of putting him back in.

If they even remotely thought it was that serious....wouldn't they have him at least sitting down or on crutches as a precautionary measure??

BUT.....if all the above means it really is NOT serious, as I like to think.....then why the **** was it bad enough for him to NOT PLAY??

truthfully i think the staff all thought. it is Washington. Simms can lead the team well enough to keep us ahead. by the 4th Quarter when that was no longer the case, it was too late to put Orton back in. he had cooled down and was no longer game ready.

NYBronco
11-16-2009, 12:42 PM
Brandstater can still come in as emergency QB, even if he's declared inactive.

Orton needs to play next week, and at 100% too, otherwise we're ****ed.

My guess is Kyle will play. He played through the throwing hand finger injury with a glove for several weeks early in the season.

gyldenlove
11-16-2009, 12:44 PM
I hope Orton is not as hurt as they say, he may not be Peyton Manning, but at least he is an NFL QB - it turns out we need one of those for this team to win anything.

gtown
11-16-2009, 01:03 PM
I never though I would see the day when people are pining for Kyle Orton. That is how big the ****burger that Simms served up this weekend.

gtown
11-16-2009, 01:07 PM
Apparently PFT thinks Orton will play: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/16/report-orton-will-play/

TonyR
11-16-2009, 01:11 PM
Apparently PFT thinks Orton will play: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/16/report-orton-will-play/

Yep, from a Mike Lombardi report so hopefully reliable.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/11/16/broncos-orton-will-play-despite-ankle-injury/

SoDak Bronco
11-16-2009, 01:20 PM
Not sure how Lombardi knows...i honestly dont think anyone does

colonelbeef
11-16-2009, 01:23 PM
You might be kidding, but Orton has not completed a full season in the NFL if I remember correctly. Cutler does take a pounding but still seems to show up every week.

Orton takes an absolute pounding to his credit, unfortunately his inability to avoid the rush causes the problem in the first place, for the most part anyway

Ambiguous
11-16-2009, 01:25 PM
Apparently PFT thinks Orton will play: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/16/report-orton-will-play/

Well thank god. If I have to see Simms **** all over the field any more, I'm going to lose it.

Rulon Velvet Jones
11-16-2009, 01:27 PM
Lombardi is credible. At least it's not some random schmuck.

Ambiguous
11-16-2009, 01:30 PM
Orton takes an absolute pounding to his credit, unfortunately his inability to avoid the rush causes the problem in the first place, for the most part anyway

I'll take his inability to avoid the rush over Simms inability score points, avoid sacks, avoid interceptions, and complete passes. :thumbsup:

Popps
11-16-2009, 02:59 PM
This is absolutely a week we should employ Wild Horses, obviously.

Break out the tricks, Josh!

azbroncfan
11-16-2009, 03:06 PM
Did anyone else notice Kyle looked pissed he wasn't playing in second half? I noticed he started with a hat on then after a couple Simms series I noticed he put his helmet on the rest of the game.

ol number 7
11-16-2009, 03:15 PM
I would think its still way too early to tell. If he is out I would sure like to see Brandstater in there, but we prolly wont. The way Simms was getting up after tackles B-Stater may see action any ways.

I was just starting to grow my neckbeard. Now this. OK time to do the blonde dye job and look like Ric Flair

Bronco Yoda
11-16-2009, 03:31 PM
He's going to start. Calm down everyone.

The real question is...will he be able to finish. We'll need to really protect him.

boltaneer
11-16-2009, 03:52 PM
Merriman and Phillips are nursing foot and ankle injuries as well. They were ineffective this week against Philly which is why I think Ron Rivera went into a semi-prevent pretty much after the first quarter.

If they're not better by next week, from the Chargers perspective, I think it's on Rivers and LT. They need to put up big points because I think the pass rush might be weak but they've improved dramatically against the run since their bye week. I think they load up the box and dare Orton/Simms to beat them with the pass. Weddle better step it up against Scheffler this time.

mr007
11-16-2009, 04:13 PM
Honestly, if he was on the sidelines and didn't have ice or anything else protective on his foot, could it be that McD was using it as an opportunity to see what Simms was made out of??

I mean, maybe he was using a front to Kyle that he didn't want to risk future injury, but in his mind he really knows that Kyle isn't the answer and he was looking to see what a more mobile QB could do.

Even though Simms completely blew, it was refreshing to see someone moving around in the pocket and not blatantly running into blocked dlinemen.

BlaK-Argentina
11-16-2009, 04:41 PM
Merriman and Phillips are nursing foot and ankle injuries as well. They were ineffective this week against Philly which is why I think Ron Rivera went into a semi-prevent pretty much after the first quarter.

If they're not better by next week, from the Chargers perspective, I think it's on Rivers and LT. They need to put up big points because I think the pass rush might be weak but they've improved dramatically against the run since their bye week. I think they load up the box and dare Orton/Simms to beat them with the pass. Weddle better step it up against Scheffler this time.

Simms can't throw the ball at all. If he plays we're doomed.

DenverBroncosJM
11-16-2009, 04:57 PM
Honestly, if he was on the sidelines and didn't have ice or anything else protective on his foot, could it be that McD was using it as an opportunity to see what Simms was made out of??

I mean, maybe he was using a front to Kyle that he didn't want to risk future injury, but in his mind he really knows that Kyle isn't the answer and he was looking to see what a more mobile QB could do.

Even though Simms completely blew, it was refreshing to see someone moving around in the pocket and not blatantly running into blocked dlinemen.

I highly doubt we lost a game just to what Simms was made of or could do. Honestly we win that game if Orton plays. BTW It wasnt to refreshing to me to see him rocket arm screen passes 3 yards behind the RB.

ZONA
11-16-2009, 05:07 PM
Wow, all this hype about who will play...........just what McD wants.

Orton is going to play. Let's do the math shall we.

Biggest game of the year, winner takes the division lead and is in driver seat. Orton coming out in 2nd half with new tape on foot suggests he had it looked at during the half and it wasn't swollen enough to where he could not get a shoe on. Not hurting enough to where he could not stand on it for the rest of the game and even throw a few practice throws to test it out. If you are "testing" something, that usually means it's hurting but you don't think there is any significant damage, or else they wouldn't have even tried testing it. Letting him sit out a handful of practices help him to heal it up some and at the same time gives SD something else (Simms) they need to game plan for.

I expect Orton to play but you might see a game plan that doesn't feature him standing in the pocket long or taking 7 step drops. Wow, a shocker there right. I think we will see a heavy dose of running and some quick screens and maybe some quick slants. The biggest thing is to prevent him from getting hit so that's why I think we see alot of quick stuff. Now, that said, I think you could see some Simms in this game too, maybe featuring him on a drive here or there, to open things up more, depending on how the game is going. If we are getting whipped on pretty good in the beginning, I think Orton might come out for good just to further protect him for the rest of the season. But I think we could see a 15 play script for Orton to open the game up as well as a unique script for Simms say on the 2nd or 3rd drive, just to mix it up and give SD even more to think about.

BroncoDoug
11-16-2009, 05:09 PM
What?

Lombardi said the exact opposite.


FWIW Lombardi was in a studio in Denver all weekend. While Gary Miller was in Washington DC with the team... I'll take Gary Millers' reports over Lombardi

boltaneer
11-16-2009, 05:09 PM
Simms can't throw the ball at all. If he plays we're doomed.

Well, I think Simms is a decent quarterback but he might not have the ability to come off the bench like that cold and play well, which is what a backup QB needs to be able to do. With a week of practice, I think he could play much better. But it sounds like they're commiting to Orton so it probably won't happen. I figure they'll share reps.

But I don't think the Chargers special teams will completely fall apart like it did last time. That was completely uncharacteristic of them as they field one of the better special teams in the NFL.

They just need to block that interior pass rush better, which they couldn't do in the last meeting. Fortunately, they've shored that up pretty well since then.

I didn't have a good gauge of what the outcome would be last time. I thought it could be a close game or a blow out either way. I don't think it's close this time. They're much healthier and are much improved on both o-line and d-line. My prediction is that the Chargers win this one by at least two scores.

ZONA
11-16-2009, 05:13 PM
Well, I think Simms is a decent quarterback but he might not have the ability to come off the bench like that cold and play well, which is what a backup QB needs to be able to do. With a week of practice, I think he could play much better. But it sounds like they're commiting to Orton so it probably won't happen. I figure they'll share reps.

But I don't think the Chargers special teams will completely fall apart like it did last time. That was completely uncharacteristic of them as they field one of the better special teams in the NFL.

They just need to block that interior pass rush better, which they couldn't do in the last meeting. Fortunately, they've shored that up pretty well since then.

I didn't have a good gauge of what the outcome would be last time. I thought it could be a close game or a blow out either way. I don't think it's close this time. They're much healthier and are much improved on both o-line and d-line. My prediction is that the Chargers win this one by at least two scores.

I agree that we probably won't see any returns for a TD this game but you may have forgotten that we got to Rivers quite a bit and he was very fortunate on one of them when he fumbled and the ball bounced right back into his hands. I don't see anything keeping us from getting to him again. And this time it's at Mile High. I still like our chances.

BlaK-Argentina
11-16-2009, 05:15 PM
Well, I think Simms is a decent quarterback but he might not have the ability to come off the bench like that cold and play well, which is what a backup QB needs to be able to do. With a week of practice, I think he could play much better. But it sounds like they're commiting to Orton so it probably won't happen. I figure they'll share reps.

But I don't think the Chargers special teams will completely fall apart like it did last time. That was completely uncharacteristic of them as they field one of the better special teams in the NFL.

They just need to block that interior pass rush better, which they couldn't do in the last meeting. Fortunately, they've shored that up pretty well since then.

I didn't have a good gauge of what the outcome would be last time. I thought it could be a close game or a blow out either way. I don't think it's close this time. They're much healthier and are much improved on both o-line and d-line. My prediction is that the Chargers win this one by at least two scores.

I can see that. This doesn't look like the same team that went to SD.

mr007
11-16-2009, 05:38 PM
I highly doubt we lost a game just to what Simms was made of or could do. Honestly we win that game if Orton plays. BTW It wasnt to refreshing to me to see him rocket arm screen passes 3 yards behind the RB.

Umm yeah, refreshing was the wrong word. Maybe I should say I wish Orton had his mobility.

boltaneer
11-16-2009, 06:01 PM
I agree that we probably won't see any returns for a TD this game but you may have forgotten that we got to Rivers quite a bit and he was very fortunate on one of them when he fumbled and the ball bounced right back into his hands. I don't see anything keeping us from getting to him again. And this time it's at Mile High. I still like our chances.

Really? The Chargers o-line is playing the best it has all season both in run and pass blocking. They're almost like a completely different group out there to me.

Boltjolt
11-16-2009, 06:08 PM
Really? The Chargers o-line is playing the best it has all season both in run and pass blocking. They're almost like a completely different group out there to me.

It did yesterday anyways. Been inconsistant still imo.
Now we have to see what Clary's status is because Dombroski is awful. Is Hardwick coming back this week?

400HZ
11-16-2009, 06:52 PM
It did yesterday anyways. Been inconsistant still imo.
Now we have to see what Clary's status is because Dombroski is awful. Is Hardwick coming back this week?

Clary is supposedly expected to be ready for the game. I don't even want to think about Dombrowski getting the start at tackle. Rivers will be hating life.

Bring back Hardwick against KC or Cleveland, not this week. I'm not going to start singing our offensive lines' praises anytime soon, but they have finally sorted out their blitz pickup assignments and that alone puts them twice as far ahead as they were against Denver the first time.

HEAV
11-16-2009, 07:13 PM
I never want to see Simms play again for this team.

broncos-rock
11-16-2009, 07:16 PM
Seriously............how did a Orton injury thread end up about a report on the chargers oline? Like we give a flying f*ck!

sixtimeseight
11-16-2009, 07:26 PM
Merriman and Phillips are nursing foot and ankle injuries as well. They were ineffective this week against Philly

Merriman hasn't been effective for about a year and a half

Boltjolt
11-16-2009, 07:31 PM
Merriman hasn't been effective for about a year and a half

Considering he didnt play last year and had been limping early this year...you are right. He still isnt 100% but he is getting there.

BlaK-Argentina
11-16-2009, 07:57 PM
Seriously............how did a Orton injury thread end up about a report on the chargers oline? Like we give a flying ****!

This. Chargers fans are all coming out of their holes again. I hate my life.

DenverBroncosJM
11-16-2009, 07:57 PM
Umm yeah, refreshing was the wrong word. Maybe I should say I wish Orton had his mobility.

Now that I will agree with. Even tried the bootleg

baja
11-16-2009, 08:00 PM
Did anyone else notice Kyle looked pissed he wasn't playing in second half? I noticed he started with a hat on then after a couple Simms series I noticed he put his helmet on the rest of the game.

I have been waiting for someone to say this, I saw the same thing. . I had the thought that Orton said he could go but Josh told him to sit, question is was it a precaution for Orton or was it partly an excuse to see what Sims could do and Orton knew it. Who knows...

tsiguy96
11-16-2009, 08:03 PM
I have been waiting for someone to say this, I saw the same thing. . I had the thought that Orton said he could go but Josh told him to sit, question is was it a precaution for Orton or was it partly an excuse to see what Sims could do and Orton knew it. Who knows...

after the half orton just had, you really think theyd sit home to see what simms could do in a really close game?

BlaK-Argentina
11-16-2009, 08:06 PM
after the half orton just had, you really think theyd sit home to see what simms could do in a really close game?

Maybe they didn't want to risk further injury to Orton and wanted to see how Simms would do, so they could kill two birds with one stone. I'm sure they never imagined Simms would **** up so bad.

Boltjolt
11-16-2009, 08:07 PM
This. Chargers fans are all coming out of their holes again. I hate my life.

It might have something to do with them playing each other this week, but...maybe you think it is something else. I dont know.

baja
11-16-2009, 08:08 PM
after the half orton just had, you really think theyd sit home to see what simms could do in a really close game?

No not totally and if you read my post I say that. What I am saying is clearly Orton was hurt but maybe he felt he could go but McD did not want to risk further injury and partly he wanted to see Sims in a game condition. Lets say 80% precautionary and 20% wanting to see what he had in Sims, clearly McD did not think Sims would do that badly. Bottom like McD would rather lose to Washington if it meant he had a better chance of having Orton in the more important game against SD.

outdoor_miner
11-16-2009, 08:09 PM
Honestly, if he was on the sidelines and didn't have ice or anything else protective on his foot, could it be that McD was using it as an opportunity to see what Simms was made out of??

I mean, maybe he was using a front to Kyle that he didn't want to risk future injury, but in his mind he really knows that Kyle isn't the answer and he was looking to see what a more mobile QB could do.

Even though Simms completely blew, it was refreshing to see someone moving around in the pocket and not blatantly running into blocked dlinemen.

I was thinking more that he wanted to completely silence the media and fans' calls for Simms. He knows that Orton is his long-term solution, and he wanted to show everyone just how bad life without Orton could be... He was willing to let everyone catch a glimpse of just how awful Simms is, and show the fickle fans that there is more to quarterbacking than arm-strength and "moving around in the pocket". Now, San Diego doesn't know who to prepare for, and absolutely nobody could ever justify calls for the backup quarterback ever ever again. It is borderline diabolical, to say the least.

;)

NFLBRONCO
11-16-2009, 08:15 PM
I think Orton will play we'll just scale back our vertical game and go to our staple 1 yd dink pass offense.

azbroncfan
11-16-2009, 08:42 PM
Now, San Diego doesn't know who to prepare for, and absolutely nobody could ever justify calls for the backup quarterback ever ever again. It is borderline diabolical, to say the least.

;)

You don't think San Diego would just prepare for Orton and be happy if Simms is the starter?

outdoor_miner
11-16-2009, 08:43 PM
You don't think San Diego would just prepare for Orton and be happy if Simms is the starter?

Sorry - that was my version of a hair-brained conspiracy theory (and sarcasm)... :)

tsiguy96
11-16-2009, 08:45 PM
No not totally and if you read my post I say that. What I am saying is clearly Orton was hurt but maybe he felt he could go but McD did not want to risk further injury and partly he wanted to see Sims in a game condition. Lets say 80% precautionary and 20% wanting to see what he had in Sims, clearly McD did not think Sims would do that badly. Bottom like McD would rather lose to Washington if it meant he had a better chance of having Orton in the more important game against SD.

i dont think the sd game is more important considering we have the division lead still, if we won at washington wed still have lead, now we HAVE to win against SD or we lose it for now. i think it was wmore along the lines of he didnt want to make the injury worse and thought that simms now gave us the best shot at winning because ortons mobility would surely be limited.

SportinOne
11-16-2009, 10:56 PM
I never want to see Simms play again for this team.

Give me a break. The guy was thrown into the game without a single 1st team snap all year. What did you expect? And if you REALLLY disagree with me, fine, but blame McDaniels for hiring him.

BroncoBuff
11-16-2009, 11:16 PM
Give me a break. The guy was thrown into the game without a single 1st team snap all year. What did you expect? And if you REALLLY disagree with me, fine, but blame McDaniels for hiring him.

And Josh is sticking wth him ... in fact he was generous with alibis for Simms.

broncocalijohn
11-16-2009, 11:25 PM
Give me a break. The guy was thrown into the game without a single 1st team snap all year. What did you expect? And if you REALLLY disagree with me, fine, but blame McDaniels for hiring him.

i blame Simms for being so incompetent. Did we know this completely before Training camp. If he wasnt brought through McDaniels system since August then it is McDaniels fault. Simms probably surprised everyone with his Suckyness Simms Show on Sunday Morning Television.

Hulamau
11-16-2009, 11:53 PM
This kind of reminds of 2003 when we had two QB's hurt, it's not the case here but has some of the same feeling to me.

If Orton cant go and Simms just plain sucks, why not start the rook?

Simms may not be hurt but WE will be if he has to play again!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
11-17-2009, 06:52 AM
I'm sort of coming around on this whole thing. I mean, Cassel looked abysmal through the first game in relief of Brady last year, and then had a couple bad games before he started playing really good football.

Unfortunately, we don't have half a season for him to get going. AND he hasn't been in the system for three years as Cassell had been.

If Orton can't go, I'm all for starting Brandstater.

TonyR
11-17-2009, 07:22 AM
And Josh is sticking wth him ... in fact he was generous with alibis for Simms.

I've seen you make this observation a few times but I'm not sure what your angle is. McD did what any/every coach should do: blame himself and the team as a whole rather than single out individuals, particularly the QB. Agree or disagree?

go_broncos
11-17-2009, 07:45 AM
If simms starts we are doomed..

Ambiguous
11-17-2009, 08:05 AM
I've seen you make this observation a few times but I'm not sure what your angle is. McD did what any/every coach should do: blame himself and the team as a whole rather than single out individuals, particularly the QB. Agree or disagree?

Exactly, lol if anyone thinks McD couldn't see Simms ****ting all over the field out there and genuinely thought he did a decent job.

He did the right thing, keep the drama internal. No need to hang the guy out in the media.

colonelbeef
11-17-2009, 08:08 AM
Simms will be improved this week. Defense needs to be all over Rivers for a win though

TailgateNut
11-17-2009, 08:17 AM
Maybe we can get Cutler back. He's no worse than Simms.

crawdad
11-17-2009, 08:31 AM
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp68/denverbronx/Realenough2.jpg
Remember this Phyllis!

cousinal11
11-17-2009, 11:35 AM
According to fanball.com:

According to NFL.com, Kyle Orton will play Sunday against the chuggers.

pink_feet
11-17-2009, 11:38 AM
According to fanball.com:

According to NFL.com, Kyle Orton will play Sunday against the chuggers.

So we will have a one legged QB back there. Nice.:thumbs:

cousinal11
11-17-2009, 11:40 AM
So we will have a one legged QB back there. Nice.:thumbs:


Better than the one we have with no spleen.

Rausch 2.0
11-17-2009, 11:41 AM
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp68/denverbronx/Realenough2.jpg
Remember this Phyllis!

This is the wrong half of the season to post $#it like that...

BlaK-Argentina
11-17-2009, 04:03 PM
It might have something to do with them playing each other this week, but...maybe you think it is something else. I dont know.

I actually didn't think of that when I wrote it. :rofl:

Having said that, you were nowhere to be seen the last few weeks, but I'm sure you'll stick around longer than anyone would like if SD wins on sunday.

BlaK-Argentina
11-17-2009, 04:06 PM
According to fanball.com:

According to NFL.com, Kyle Orton will play Sunday against the chuggers.

Suddenly I have hope for the game.

tsiguy96
11-17-2009, 04:42 PM
Kyle Orton (ankle) is scheduled to handle the Broncos' starting quarterback press conference on Wednesday.
Though coach Josh McDaniels wouldn't commit to Orton playing, this is an indication that the team believes he has a legit shot to start against the Chargers in a key AFC West matchup.


from roto

fontaine
11-18-2009, 03:46 AM
I'm not sure I want Orton to play.

His play dropped off tremendously with the same injury last year in which case he wouldn't give us the best chance to win. Simms needn't bother showing up.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Brandster might be our best chance as a surprise option. Have him start so that the San Diego D won't have prepared for him and come out throwing the ball deep because their LBers can't rush the QB.

This game is hugely important for the division and I would rather come out firing than go down in a whimper with Simms or an injured Orton hobbling around.

As a sidenote though, anybody else concerned about Orton's ability to stay healthy over 16 weeks?

BigBad
11-18-2009, 04:06 AM
Kyle Orton (ankle) is scheduled to handle the Broncos' starting quarterback press conference on Wednesday.
Though coach Josh McDaniels wouldn't commit to Orton playing, this is an indication that McDaniels did in fact come from the Bill Bellichek coaching tree.

BigPlayShay
11-18-2009, 10:34 AM
KO is having hi press conference. Speculators were wrong about it being the same ankle, it is not. He said last year it was his plant foot, this year it is not.

Both KO and Simms are meeting with the media today though...

pink_feet
11-18-2009, 10:36 AM
KO is having hi press conference. Speculators were wrong about it being the same ankle, it is not. He said last year it was his plant foot, this year it is not.

Both KO and Simms are meeting with the media today though...

Keep the Chargers guessing.
I think its Simms who starts Sunday.

bfoflcommish
11-18-2009, 11:00 AM
I'm not sure I want Orton to play.

His play dropped off tremendously with the same injury last year in which case he wouldn't give us the best chance to win. Simms needn't bother showing up.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Brandster might be our best chance as a surprise option. Have him start so that the San Diego D won't have prepared for him and come out throwing the ball deep because their LBers can't rush the QB.

This game is hugely important for the division and I would rather come out firing than go down in a whimper with Simms or an injured Orton hobbling around.

As a sidenote though, anybody else concerned about Orton's ability to stay healthy over 16 weeks?


it was his other ankle though which is most imprtant to him since he is a righthander....the left ankle not nearly as important for righty.

Steve Prefontaine
11-18-2009, 02:38 PM
Sorry if this was posted already...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4668245

Orton sits as Simms takes reps



ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Kyle Orton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8520) isn't practicing as the Denver Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den) install their game plan for the San Diego Chargers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sdg). Backup Chris Simms (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4555) took the snaps at practice Wednesday because of Orton's bum ankle.
Orton is holding out hope he'll start Sunday. He was knocked out of the Broncos' 27-17 loss at Washington last weekend with a sprained left ankle and replaced by a rusty Simms.
Simms is the quarterback best known for having his spleen removed after taking a beating in a loss to Carolina on Sept. 24, 2006, while he was playing for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=tam).
He hasn't started a game since that day.

BlaK-Argentina
11-18-2009, 03:20 PM
sorry if this was posted already...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4668245

****. **** **** **** ****.

meangene
11-18-2009, 04:35 PM
Sorry if this was posted already...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4668245

Well, Brandstater sucked when he had to fill in during preseason when Simms got hurt but played much better the next couple weeks. Maybe Simms will play better this week. Bah, who am I kidding? We are ****ed!

Ramathorn
11-18-2009, 04:38 PM
simms in- we r finishied. At least with orton, we have a chance. Did i just say that???? hell musta froze over

The Joker
11-18-2009, 04:40 PM
"I'm sure that if you look at career statistics of guys coming in the middle of the game as the backup quarterback, I'm sure they're not through the roof," Simms said.

Great attitude.

If Orton can't go we're ****ed.

gunns
11-18-2009, 04:49 PM
Sorry if this was posted already...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4668245

Doesn't mean Orton won't start. Why risk him injuring it further in practice? Simms needs the practice but I wish Brandstater was practicing too.

BlaK-Argentina
11-18-2009, 05:34 PM
"I'm sure that if you look at career statistics of guys coming in the middle of the game as the backup quarterback, I'm sure they're not through the roof," Simms said.

Great attitude.

If Orton can't go we're ****ed.

It's hard not to hate his ass. Spleen-less asshole.

boltaneer
11-18-2009, 05:46 PM
Even the elite QBs need their reps in practice so this is bad for Orton. I think McDaniels and Orton aren't letting on how serious the injury is. Orton may gut it out and play but he won't be anywhere close to a hundred percent and it's gong to lead to some costly throws.

So from my perspective, I don't think it matters which QB plays. A rusty Simms or a gimpy Orton. Personally I'd prefer an injured Orton but either way bodes well for the Bolts. The big factor for me is that the Broncos were playing well both on o-line and d-line in the first meeting while the Chargers o-line and d-line struggled. Now they both seem to be going in opposite directions.

go_broncos
11-18-2009, 05:50 PM
"I'm sure that if you look at career statistics of guys coming in the middle of the game as the backup quarterback, I'm sure they're not through the roof," Simms said.

Great attitude.

If Orton can't go we're ****ed.

I hate Simms

Steve Prefontaine
11-18-2009, 05:57 PM
Doesn't mean Orton won't start. Why risk him injuring it further in practice? Simms needs the practice but I wish Brandstater was practicing too.
True. But it's not a good sign.

watermock
11-18-2009, 06:03 PM
Talk about scary quotes:

"I think the biggest thing is getting my eyes right and really just getting timing and rhythm down with the guys," Simms said. "I will get as greased up as I can."

Sounds like prep for a Japanese buckcake porno.

cabronco
11-18-2009, 06:21 PM
If McD really knows that Orton won't play. He better get Simms right, and give B-stater some reps as well. Simms is just body slam down from being out of the game too. He looks fraile to me.

BroncoBuff
11-18-2009, 06:30 PM
Marshall also missed practice Wednesday. The team said he had a neck injury.

Yeah, a neck injury from jerking his head up to watch Simms' passes sail over his head.

mhgaffney
11-18-2009, 06:36 PM
I keep seeing Simms' left arm floundering above the scrum last week -- ball in hand -- will he fumble? Or throw a pick?

Decisions decisions.

Will McDaniels be ready to utter the "B" word by half - time?

mhgaffney
11-18-2009, 06:37 PM
Or must we endure four quarters of doom - dom ??

And I don't mean Elvis.

watermock
11-18-2009, 06:40 PM
i blame Simms for being so incompetent. Did we know this completely before Training camp. If he wasnt brought through McDaniels system since August then it is McDaniels fault. Simms probably surprised everyone with his Suckyness Simms Show on Sunday Morning Television.

Really!

McD knew this cold happen.

Even more astounding is how Simms thought he played "well".

SoDak Bronco
11-18-2009, 06:52 PM
I think it took half a season, but bronco nation is finally in agreement. Chris Simms sucks!!!

bombay
11-18-2009, 07:12 PM
Why are there so many damn sd trolls here?

Popps
11-18-2009, 08:00 PM
"I'm sure that if you look at career statistics of guys coming in the middle of the game as the backup quarterback, I'm sure they're not through the roof," Simms said.
.

Yea, I've liked this guy in the past... but that's a stupid goddamned thing to say.

Shut the **** up, admit you were trash and move on.

YOU'RE PAID to come in during the middle of games and NOT **** it up. THAT'S YOUR ****ING JOB.

What the hell does "in the middle of a game" matter?

Dude looked like someone they pulled down out of the stands.

"Middle of a game."


Shut the **** up.

HEAV
11-18-2009, 08:37 PM
"I'm sure that if you look at career statistics of guys coming in the middle of the game as the backup quarterback, I'm sure they're not through the roof," Simms said.

Great attitude.

If Orton can't go we're ****ed.

Well Chris should ask his dad about Jeff Hostetler and how he won a 2nd ring for Phil.

Also he should look up Earl Morrall in the history books. Not to mention the name Frank Reich.


Chris should have been a man and said there is zero excuse for his play. It's his job to be ready for the team.

azbroncfan
11-18-2009, 08:52 PM
Yea, I've liked this guy in the past... but that's a stupid goddamned thing to say.

Shut the **** up, admit you were trash and move on.

YOU'RE PAID to come in during the middle of games and NOT **** it up. THAT'S YOUR ****ING JOB.

What the hell does "in the middle of a game" matter?

Dude looked like someone they pulled down out of the stands.

"Middle of a game."


Shut the **** up.

Especially since he had halftime to get mentally and physically prepared. Wasn't like he was shoved in in a middle of a series cold off the bench.

BlaK-Argentina
11-18-2009, 09:03 PM
yea, i've liked this guy in the past... But that's a stupid goddamned thing to say.

Shut the **** up, admit you were trash and move on.

You're paid to come in during the middle of games and not **** it up. That's your ****ing job.

What the hell does "in the middle of a game" matter?

Dude looked like someone they pulled down out of the stands.

"middle of a game."


shut the **** up.

rep.

broncocalijohn
11-18-2009, 09:45 PM
If McD really knows that Orton won't play. He better get Simms right, and give B-stater some reps as well. Simms is just body slam down from being out of the game too. He looks fraile to me.

I dont know if he is frail or just has the suckees.

ZONA
11-18-2009, 09:50 PM
I think it's foolish to judge Simms just on that one half. Like so many people did in the preseason when Orton threw 3 picks. I'll at least wait for Simms to play a full game and then see how he looks before I judge him. I don't want to be eating any crow if he throws 3 TD's and goes for 300 yards or something.

Br0nc0Buster
11-18-2009, 09:51 PM
I dont see how Simms can try to deflect criticism
His job is to be ready when called up

Thats his job

Brandstater cannot play worse than what Simms did last week, plus I think he has much more upside

I really dont see the harm in playing him over Simms considering just how bad Simms looked

cousinal11
11-19-2009, 05:02 AM
Especially since he had halftime to get mentally and physically prepared. Wasn't like he was shoved in in a middle of a series cold off the bench.

Good point.

Simms is a douche.

BroncoMan4ever
11-19-2009, 01:36 PM
Wow, all this hype about who will play...........just what McD wants.

Orton is going to play. Let's do the math shall we.

Biggest game of the year, winner takes the division lead and is in driver seat. Orton coming out in 2nd half with new tape on foot suggests he had it looked at during the half and it wasn't swollen enough to where he could not get a shoe on. Not hurting enough to where he could not stand on it for the rest of the game and even throw a few practice throws to test it out. If you are "testing" something, that usually means it's hurting but you don't think there is any significant damage, or else they wouldn't have even tried testing it. Letting him sit out a handful of practices help him to heal it up some and at the same time gives SD something else (Simms) they need to game plan for.

I expect Orton to play but you might see a game plan that doesn't feature him standing in the pocket long or taking 7 step drops. Wow, a shocker there right. I think we will see a heavy dose of running and some quick screens and maybe some quick slants. The biggest thing is to prevent him from getting hit so that's why I think we see alot of quick stuff. Now, that said, I think you could see some Simms in this game too, maybe featuring him on a drive here or there, to open things up more, depending on how the game is going. If we are getting whipped on pretty good in the beginning, I think Orton might come out for good just to further protect him for the rest of the season. But I think we could see a 15 play script for Orton to open the game up as well as a unique script for Simms say on the 2nd or 3rd drive, just to mix it up and give SD even more to think about.

we won't see both QBs if Orton can go. that is completely retarded to start with Orton only to toss in Simms a few series later to throw the opposition a curveball.

If Orton starts the only way we see Simms is if Orton gets hurt, or we are getting pounded and there is no point to keep him out there so we pull him to allow him to heal up for the rest of the season

Ambiguous
11-19-2009, 01:37 PM
Weren't we supposed to hear officially about this today?

Steve Prefontaine
11-19-2009, 02:00 PM
Looking more and more like Simms for Sunday....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4671704

Simms takes snaps with starters

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Chris Simms (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4555) was taking snaps with the Denver Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den)' starters again Thursday.
That makes it increasingly likely that Simms will start against San Diego on Sunday in place of Kyle Orton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8520), who sprained his left ankle last week against Washington.
Coach Josh McDaniels said Orton was feeling better, but Simms was the one under center during the portion of practice open to the media Thursday.
Simms hasn't started a game since Sept. 24, 2006, when he played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=tam) and was battered so badly by the Carolina Panthers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=car) that he needed emergency surgery to remove his spleen.

ColoradoBuff
11-19-2009, 02:31 PM
still think Orton starts

broncswin
11-19-2009, 03:47 PM
I think it's foolish to judge Simms just on that one half. Like so many people did in the preseason when Orton threw 3 picks. I'll at least wait for Simms to play a full game and then see how he looks before I judge him. I don't want to be eating any crow if he throws 3 TD's and goes for 300 yards or something.

His performance was pure shiat, the only positive thing you can say is he handed off good, and f-ck him for not owning up to playing like trash....I think he is a POS and for one, pray to God through some miracle I am eating crow at the end of the game.:peace:

broncswin
11-19-2009, 03:48 PM
we won't see both QBs if Orton can go. that is completely retarded to start with Orton only to toss in Simms a few series later to throw the opposition a pick.

If Orton starts the only way we see Simms is if Orton gets hurt, or we are getting pounded and there is no point to keep him out there so we pull him to allow him to heal up for the rest of the season


fixed:thumbsup:

BigPlayShay
11-19-2009, 03:56 PM
still think Orton starts

agreed.

Popps
11-19-2009, 04:02 PM
I hope Kyle starts, but like I said... after just turning my ankle in what's considered a mild sprain, I couldn't imagine someone starting the next weekend.

Basically, I still continue to question how an ankle could be SO bad that you couldn't limp through a 2nd half, and yet heal so quickly that you could start 7 days later. It just seems like a very unlikely combination.

BigPlayShay
11-19-2009, 04:03 PM
I hope Kyle starts, but like I said... after just turning my ankle in what's considered a mild sprain, I couldn't imagine someone starting the next weekend.

Basically, I still continue to question how an ankle could be SO bad that you couldn't limp through a 2nd half, and yet heal so quickly that you could start 7 days later. It just seems like a very unlikely combination.

Rod Smith did it on 2 bad ankles almost half of the 2001 season.

Popps
11-19-2009, 04:08 PM
Rod Smith did it on 2 bad ankles almost half of the 2001 season.

We're probably not talking about the same thing.

Orton suffered ankle-TRAUMA. It's not soreness, it's (potentially) torn ligaments and massive swelling, in most cases.

Now, if it wasn't a bad enough trauma, then maybe he can fight through it.

But, if your ankle is doubled in size and bloated up like a balloon, it's not an issue of toughness. It's just not an option.

That's why I remain skeptical that he'll play Sunday.


BUT, he WAS walking after the injury on Sunday, and perhaps that's reason to believe the trauma wasn't severe. But then, he can't even take snaps on Thursday?

It doesn't look good.

BigPlayShay
11-19-2009, 04:12 PM
BUT, he WAS walking after the injury on Sunday, and perhaps that's reason to believe the trauma wasn't severe. But then, he can't even take snaps on Thursday?

It doesn't look good.

He jogged into the lockerroom with the trainer before half. I have had ankle trauma, and there wasn't a chance in hell I could jog after it. I couldn't even put weight on it.

I think there is some gamesmanship going on here with McD. The Media is seeing Siims practice for the 1st 10-15 minutes, then they are gone. We have no idea what is goi9ng on once the media is booted out.

PRBronco
11-19-2009, 04:19 PM
He jogged into the lockerroom with the trainer before half. I have had ankle trauma, and there wasn't a chance in hell I could jog after it. I couldn't even put weight on it.

I think there is some gamesmanship going on here with McD. The Media is seeing Siims practice for the 1st 10-15 minutes, then they are gone. We have no idea what is goi9ng on once the media is booted out.

McSmokescreen :D

Either way I want them to run the ball early and often, not try once and then get discouraged if it doesn't work right away.

tsiguy96
11-19-2009, 04:27 PM
He jogged into the lockerroom with the trainer before half. I have had ankle trauma, and there wasn't a chance in hell I could jog after it. I couldn't even put weight on it.

I think there is some gamesmanship going on here with McD. The Media is seeing Siims practice for the 1st 10-15 minutes, then they are gone. We have no idea what is goi9ng on once the media is booted out.

agreed 100%. id bet 2 dollars orton starts.

Paladin
11-19-2009, 04:30 PM
2 bucks? There's commitment right there.......

oubronco
11-19-2009, 04:33 PM
Orton's ankle injury looked worst than Ronnie Brown's and he is out for the year damn I hope not

BlaK-Argentina
11-19-2009, 04:40 PM
Orton's ankle injury looked worst than Ronnie Brown's and he is out for the year damn I hope not

Was Ronnie Brown jogging after his injury?

BigPlayShay
11-19-2009, 04:43 PM
Orton's ankle injury looked worst than Ronnie Brown's and he is out for the year damn I hope not

Brown's is a lisfranc foot injury

oubronco
11-19-2009, 04:44 PM
Was Ronnie Brown jogging after his injury?

Hell I don't know

oubronco
11-19-2009, 04:45 PM
Brown's is a lisfranc foot injury

whats the difference between the two?

Ambiguous
11-19-2009, 05:06 PM
2 bucks? There's commitment right there.......

You're on...

(seriously I'll paypal you 2 bucks if he starts)

Popps
11-19-2009, 05:19 PM
He jogged into the lockerroom with the trainer before half. I have had ankle trauma, and there wasn't a chance in hell I could jog after it. I couldn't even put weight on it..

Same here. That's why I was pretty surprised he couldn't even attempt to take snaps, and yet he's not practicing or even taking snaps now. It's just a weird combination of circumstances.


I think there is some gamesmanship going on here with McD. The Media is seeing Siims practice for the 1st 10-15 minutes, then they are gone. We have no idea what is goi9ng on once the media is booted out.

I hope you're right, but I'm perplexed by all of this... and not highly optimistic.

Broncos4tw
11-19-2009, 05:58 PM
I hope Kyle starts, but like I said... after just turning my ankle in what's considered a mild sprain, I couldn't imagine someone starting the next weekend.

Basically, I still continue to question how an ankle could be SO bad that you couldn't limp through a 2nd half, and yet heal so quickly that you could start 7 days later. It just seems like a very unlikely combination.

Riiight.. because you are the same thing as a professional athlete with the best trainers in sports. ROFL!

Anyways, I think he won't start simply because they are trying to fully heal him. If he goes out again, probably done for the season. I'd rather be 6-4 with a health QB, than 7-3 with a crappy one for the rest of the season.

BigPlayShay
11-19-2009, 06:53 PM
whats the difference between the two?

Lisfranc is a fracture and dislocation in the middle of the foot. Kyle has stretched or partially torn ligaments in his ankle. Very different injuries.

BigPlayShay
11-19-2009, 06:59 PM
Same here. That's why I was pretty surprised he couldn't even attempt to take snaps, and yet he's not practicing or even taking snaps now. It's just a weird combination of circumstances.

I hope you're right, but I'm perplexed by all of this... and not highly optimistic.

My thinking is that McD let his ego get in the way a little bit. He figured why risk it with Orton and felt Simms could get it done.

BroncoMan4ever
11-19-2009, 07:35 PM
Rod Smith did it on 2 bad ankles almost half of the 2001 season.

i remember that season. Rod was a warrior. it was unbelievable he never came off the field.