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BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 12:41 PM
Now can you see that Simms playing decent in the second half of a preseason game against scrubs is meaningless? Man, I can't believe you were actually calling for this guy to start over Orton. He's awful and about to cost us our third in a row.

lex
11-15-2009, 12:43 PM
You're an idiot.

Smiling Assassin27
11-15-2009, 12:44 PM
the only idiots here are those calling for simms to start for a 6-2 team. consider y'alls credibility officially gone.

The Joker
11-15-2009, 12:45 PM
We'll have the same retards calling for Brandstater next, just wait.

That toss up a prayer pick was absolutely pathetic. 1st down and everything, no need to throw that at all.

If Orton can't go next week the season is done.

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 12:48 PM
You're an idiot.

I'm an idiot? After Simms had a decent second half against the Niners he cried even into the season that Simms should be starting over Orton. Maybe you agreed with him?

UberBroncoMan
11-15-2009, 12:48 PM
This was the most pathetic game I can remember watching since the Bills last year.

Completely pathetic.

kappys
11-15-2009, 12:50 PM
We'll have the same retards calling for Brandstater next, just wait.

That toss up a prayer pick was absolutely pathetic. 1st down and everything, no need to throw that at all.

If Orton can't go next week the season is done.

The only way anyone calls for Brandstater is if Orton can't play.

Tom B vs. Simms - at least there's a legitimate debate there.

The Joker
11-15-2009, 12:50 PM
Simms 2/11 - 6 yds - 0 TD - 1 INT

Casper Bronco
11-15-2009, 12:50 PM
Blame the loss all on Simms. This whole team sucked today. It would've been nice if we could stop the run at all.

Dedhed
11-15-2009, 12:50 PM
We'll have the same retards calling for Brandstater next, just wait.

That toss up a prayer pick was absolutely pathetic. 1st down and everything, no need to throw that at all.

If Orton can't go next week the season is done.

I thought missing a wide open Buckhalter by 3 yards on a wide open screen was the saddest, but he has looked like a total scrub on every single pass attempt.

Br0nc0Buster
11-15-2009, 12:51 PM
this should silence the retarded bench Orton talk

Simms got his chance and sucked balls

Orton looks like Peyton Manning compared to Simms

rovolution
11-15-2009, 12:52 PM
yea Simms is horrible. No one can defend his performance today. Just a hideous deep throw to Marshall that cost the Broncos the game

frerottenextelway
11-15-2009, 12:54 PM
This is like when the Browns were imploding with Tim Couch vs Kelly Holcombe. We need to find a player at that position for next year.

lex
11-15-2009, 12:55 PM
I'm an idiot? After Simms had a decent second half against the Niners he cried even into the season that Simms should be starting over Orton. Maybe you agreed with him?

STFU. If Orton was standing on the sidelines as long as Simms was, its doubtful he'd be sharp if thrown into the fire like Simms was today. And actually, its not even like Orton was sharp the past two weeks. The fact that you guys are getting out in front of this is as laughable as it is pathetic.

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:02 PM
STFU. If Orton was standing on the sidelines as long as Simms was, its doubtful he'd be sharp if thrown into the fire like Simms was today. And actually, its not even like Orton was sharp the past two weeks. The fact that you guys are getting out in front of this is as laughable as it is pathetic.

You shut the **** up, you miserable douche. Your boy Simms shat the ****ing bed and made you look like a goddamn fool. NO one is getting out in front, I said that wanting Simms in over Orton was retarded from the beginning. And I was right. Deal with it.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-15-2009, 01:03 PM
Simms was horrid. Yes, its his first game in a very long time, but wow. Was he ****ing bad.

The defensive line got killed today.

I hate to say it, but i think the team is done.

The Joker
11-15-2009, 01:04 PM
Simms lost more yards on sacks than he gained on passes.

He took more sacks than he completed passes.

Absolute loser, if Orton can't go next week then San Diego will destroy us.

Popps
11-15-2009, 01:04 PM
Simms is a total disaster. He needs to be released or benched immediately. He can NEVER see the field again. That was a total embarrassment.

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:04 PM
Blame the loss all on Simms. This whole team sucked today. It would've been nice if we could stop the run at all.

Yes, the D sucked, but if is Orton is in there the D is probably kept off the field longer and we probably don't get shut out in the second half with a pair of horrible turnovers. It would not have taken a ton from Simms for us to win the game. Just a decent effort probably would have been enough to win.

McDman
11-15-2009, 01:05 PM
STFU. If Orton was standing on the sidelines as long as Simms was, its doubtful he'd be sharp if thrown into the fire like Simms was today. And actually, its not even like Orton was sharp the past two weeks. The fact that you guys are getting out in front of this is as laughable as it is pathetic.

Seriously? You're actually defending Simms right now?

It's no wonder you're a joke to a lot of people on this forum.

lex
11-15-2009, 01:05 PM
You shut the **** up, you miserable douche. Your boy Simms shat the ****ing bed and made you look like a goddamn fool. NO one is getting out in front, I said that wanting Simms in over Orton was retarded from the beginning. And I was right. Deal with it.

Youre a clown.

fontaine
11-15-2009, 01:05 PM
Mitch Berger is to punters what Chris Simms is to QBs.

McDman
11-15-2009, 01:06 PM
No joke, I'd say 80% of the people on this ofrum could have made some of those passes he missed.

DB_champ24
11-15-2009, 01:06 PM
STFU. If Orton was standing on the sidelines as long as Simms was, its doubtful he'd be sharp if thrown into the fire like Simms was today. And actually, its not even like Orton was sharp the past two weeks. The fact that you guys are getting out in front of this is as laughable as it is pathetic.

Honestly, you shut up. That was atrocious, it's his job as a backup QB to at least manage the game and he couldn't even do that.

BlaK-Argentina
11-15-2009, 01:06 PM
STFU. If Orton was standing on the sidelines as long as Simms was, its doubtful he'd be sharp if thrown into the fire like Simms was today. And actually, its not even like Orton was sharp the past two weeks. The fact that you guys are getting out in front of this is as laughable as it is pathetic.

Did you watch him? Orton has NEVER looked that bad. I can throw a better ball than Simms. The guy had the worst performance by a QB I've ever seen. He flat out SUCKS. I don't care if he didn't practice, he's did not look like a NFL QB. He cost us this game.

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:07 PM
We would really be better off going with Brandstater next week if Orton can't go. I don't care how long it's been since Simms played, there is no excuse for that hideous effort. A 4.9 passer rating!

Taco John
11-15-2009, 01:07 PM
I can't even see why Simms is taking up a roster spot. He's terrible.

gyldenlove
11-15-2009, 01:07 PM
Simms is a total disaster. He needs to be released or benched immediately. He can NEVER see the field again. That was a total embarrassment.

What the man said.

Beantown Bronco
11-15-2009, 01:08 PM
The D did not suck until well into the 4th quarter when they were out there for the entire game.

Think about it.

7 pts given up into the 4th quarter.
10 pts given up halfway through the 4th quarter.
17 pts overall.

This loss was FAR from on the defense.

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:08 PM
Youre a clown.

You are one of the biggest jokes on this board, and it's been commented on already in this thread. Keep on defending your boy though...it's kinda cute.

Meck77
11-15-2009, 01:08 PM
Well we can put away the argument that we were winning despite Orton.

Jekyll15Hyde
11-15-2009, 01:08 PM
Blame the loss all on Simms. This whole team sucked today. It would've been nice if we could stop the run at all.

TOP in the 2nd half has more to do with that than anything else. D was tired in the 2nd and showed.

But this is 3 weeks in a row where the blueprint is to hit us in the mouth for 4 quarters. Eventually that seems to be enough since our O will not have blown anyone out.

fontaine
11-15-2009, 01:08 PM
The Defense only gave up one long TD drive after the first and this was with a fumble, int, and STs constantly putting them in a hole.

Not to mention what a great job Simms did in handing the ball right back to the skins.

I can't put this loss on the D at all. The Skin's just played with max protect and power formations and the D only tired late in the 4th after an awesome stop on 4th down to give the ball right back to the Offense.

Orton better be ready to go next week otherwise our season is pretty much over.

BlaK-Argentina
11-15-2009, 01:09 PM
Youre a clown.

Just go away. You're embarassing yourself more than usual.

lostknight
11-15-2009, 01:10 PM
The offense stalled well before Simms came in. Simms playing crappy was just icing on the cake.

Not to mention 40 points in the second half the last two games. That's a big problem.

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:10 PM
The D did not suck until well into the 4th quarter when they were out there for the entire game.

Think about it.

7 pts given up into the 4th quarter.
10 pts given up halfway through the 4th quarter.
17 pts overall.

This loss was FAR from on the defense.

Well, they were getting run on pretty much the entire game, and Campbell missed some wide open passes. The offense in the second half certainly made things a hell of a lot worse, but the defense definitely deserves their fair share of the blame.

SoDak Bronco
11-15-2009, 01:10 PM
Please play Brandstater over Simms...I'm flying to the game on Sunday and I can't imagine there is enough beer in colorado to allow me to sit through a game by this ass clown

Taco John
11-15-2009, 01:11 PM
The D did not suck until well into the 4th quarter when they were out there for the entire game.


Our run D was pretty bad all game long. They didn't rack up 150+ yards on us in the 4th quarter.

Garcia Bronco
11-15-2009, 01:11 PM
We'll have the same retards calling for Brandstater next, just wait.

That toss up a prayer pick was absolutely pathetic. 1st down and everything, no need to throw that at all.

If Orton can't go next week the season is done.

On that vein, I don't understand why Simms is on the roster. He didn't complete one ****ing pass. Brandstater should be the number 2...or what's the point?

SoDak Bronco
11-15-2009, 01:11 PM
I can't even see why Simms is taking up a roster spot. He's terrible.

plus 1...pretty embarrassing

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:12 PM
The Defense only gave up one long TD drive after the first and this was with a fumble, int, and STs constantly putting them in a hole.

Not to mention what a great job Simms did in handing the ball right back to the skins.

I can't put this loss on the D at all. The Skin's just played with max protect and power formations and the D only tired late in the 4th after an awesome stop on 4th down to give the ball right back to the Offense.

Orton better be ready to go next week otherwise our season is pretty much over.

They were put in bad situations, but allowing a bad Redskins offense to run for 170 plus yards is inexcusable and was certainly a major factor in our loss.

Beantown Bronco
11-15-2009, 01:13 PM
Our run D was pretty bad all game long. They didn't rack up 150+ yards on us in the 4th quarter.

I don't care about yards. Neither does the scoreboard.

Period.

bpc
11-15-2009, 01:13 PM
Coaching lost this game. MCD and Nolan were out-schemed by a lame duck coach and the owner cronies.

The QB position is horrendous throughout. Sure, Orton had two touchdowns... what about that missed deep ball to Royal which was a guaranteed 7 pts? He's just as much at fault as Simms. The WR's were ready to make plays and we couldn't get them the ball. It was McDaniels job to have Simms ready to go. He wasn't.

Rush defense is rearing it's ugly head and there are holes popping up all over this roster.

Scary. Season is on the brink next week.

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:14 PM
The offense stalled well before Simms came in.

Not really. We had an 18 play 82 yard drive for a FG going into the half. A TD would have been better, but that is hardly a stalling offense.

AbileneBroncoFan
11-15-2009, 01:14 PM
STFU. If Orton was standing on the sidelines as long as Simms was, its doubtful he'd be sharp if thrown into the fire like Simms was today. And actually, its not even like Orton was sharp the past two weeks. The fact that you guys are getting out in front of this is as laughable as it is pathetic.

I have seen high school quarterbacks that could hit some of the throws that Chrissy missed today. I don't care how long it's been since you've played, you had damn well be able to complete a wide open screen pass. This was the most pathetic performance I have seen in a long time.

Chrissy is just not a winner. Wasn't in college, hasn't been in the NFL, and will not ever be. If he doesn't throw that pathetic INT we probably get at least a FG on that drive and win the game. The fact that he couldn't get a first down also contributed to our defense being on the field for pretty much the entire 2nd half. I would rather see Brandstater out there than Simms next week. At least I don't already know that Brandstater would be a complete failure.

55CrushEm
11-15-2009, 01:14 PM
Honest to God.....if Orton can't go......Brandstater better be on the field vs. Sandy Eggo.

Beantown Bronco
11-15-2009, 01:15 PM
They were put in bad situations, but allowing a bad Redskins offense to run for 170 plus yards is inexcusable and was certainly a major factor in our loss.

Not a major factor at all.

130 of those yards resulted in 10 pts. 40 came in the end.

2-13 Simms, the special teams play and the refs were "major" factors. Run defense was a "factor", but nowhere near a "major" factor.

lex
11-15-2009, 01:15 PM
Seriously? You're actually defending Simms right now?

It's no wonder you're a joke to a lot of people on this forum.

The jokes on them. Just look at a lot of the people who frequent the board,...yourself included.

Simms blew up his spleen in 2006 when he played 3 games. He didnt play at all in 2007, and played in 1 game in all of 2008 (he threw 2 passes last year). And now here we are in the 9th game of the season and he hasnt played all year, yet you guys are scapegoating a guy who practically hasnt seen seen live regular season action since 2006. If he sucks as bad as youre saying, that falls on McDaniels to have a suitable back up. If Simms was going to start, he needed to be more in play and see more action early on because he hasnt played in so long. He needed to be brought along more as a starter earlier on. To bring up this idea that he's garbage because he was pressed into service in week 9 is silly.

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:15 PM
I don't care about yards. Neither does the scoreboard.

Period.

That's silly. One reason why teams want to establish the run early in the game is to wear down the defense late. You simply can't reasonably give the D a pass for their performance today even though they didn't get much help. And you're right...the scoreboard doesn't care about yards. Unfortunately, the scorebaord doesn't shut off after the third quarter.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 01:16 PM
Simms sucked most definitely, but he's slightly down the list on reasons we lost this game.

Remember, we didn't get into the red zone even once last week.

Beantown Bronco
11-15-2009, 01:18 PM
Simms sucked most definitely, but he's slightly down the list on reasons we lost this game.

No way. Nobody was singularly more responsible for this loss today than him. Sorry.

lex
11-15-2009, 01:18 PM
Did you watch him? Orton has NEVER looked that bad. I can throw a better ball than Simms. The guy had the worst performance by a QB I've ever seen. He flat out SUCKS. I don't care if he didn't practice, he's did not look like a NFL QB. He cost us this game.

If thats the case, then it ultimately falls back on McDaniels to have a suitable backup. Something tells me youre not going to blame him?

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:18 PM
Simms sucked most definitely, but he's slightly down the list on reasons we lost this game.

Remember, we didn't get into the red zone even once last week.

No, he is reason number one. 3 of 12 for 13 yards and 2 killer INTs. That is mind-boggingly horrendous. Defense did not play well, but if Simms doesn't shat the bed and merely plays decent we probably win.

The MVPlaya
11-15-2009, 01:19 PM
Stop talking about that missed deep ball to Royal...

QB's miss throws ALL the time to wide open receivers... just like Brady did to Moss when he played us, just like Campbell did to Moss, etc.

lol @ even tryna get mad at Orton, he played like a champ today.

55CrushEm
11-15-2009, 01:20 PM
Simms sucked most definitely, but he's slightly down the list on reasons we lost this game.

Remember, we didn't get into the red zone even once last week.

Yeah? Well, we're not talking about last week, Buff.....how bout THIS week. Your boy flat out sucks, and makes Orton look like Montana......defend THAT.

Br0nc0Buster
11-15-2009, 01:22 PM
Simms sucked most definitely, but he's slightly down the list on reasons we lost this game.

Remember, we didn't get into the red zone even once last week.

against the best defense in the league

Today both played the same defense
Orton led the offense to 17 points and did well

Simms played the same defense Kyle did in the 2nd half and was atrocious

If he had played last week against the Steelers we wouldnt of gotten a first down

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:23 PM
If thats the case, then it ultimately falls back on McDaniels to have a suitable backup. Something tells me youre not going to blame him?

There are not enough quality starting QBs to fill up 2/3 of the teams in the league, let alone backups who are of starting quality.

That said, I will agree that McD should have known what he was in store for with Simms. I am not a Brandstater fan by any means, but I don't see how he could have possibly not played better.

The Joker
11-15-2009, 01:23 PM
Man, that pick...

It was first ****ing down.

In their territory.

Their best player off the field.

Tied game.

4th quarter.

Absolute retard, that was the moment we lost this game.

rovolution
11-15-2009, 01:23 PM
Simms sucked most definitely, but he's slightly down the list on reasons we lost this game.



this is a joke right? His INT singlehandedly cost Denver the game. Up until then Knowshown was just tearing it up on the ground. Simms could have just throw that ball away and we could have drove down the field and atleast got the momentum. Our D was on the field waaaaay too long in the second half and that was because Simms couldnt complete a single pass.

lex
11-15-2009, 01:24 PM
There are not enough quality starting QBs to fill up 2/3 of the teams in the league, let alone backups who are of starting quality.

That said, I will agree that McD should have known what he was in store for with Simms. I am not a Brandstater fan by any means, but I don't see how he could have possibly not played better.

Well, then remember to blame McDaniels.

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:26 PM
The QB position is horrendous throughout. Sure, Orton had two touchdowns... what about that missed deep ball to Royal which was a guaranteed 7 pts? He's just as much at fault as Simms.

Are you nuts? "Just as much to blame"? 11-18 for 193 yards and 2 TDs versus 3 of 12 for 13 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs, and he is "just as much to blame"? That is absolutely ridiculous logic. Plus, Royal was held on the incomplete pass, that is why Orton overthrew him. Even if not, you surely can't equate one missed deep ball with 2 INTs and a 4.9 passer rating?

cabronco
11-15-2009, 01:27 PM
Honest to God.....if Orton can't go......Brandstater better be on the field vs. Sandy Eggo.

This.

They better bring a team effort too. Not the O-line take a day off, or run D getting trounced either.

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:27 PM
Well, then remember to blame McDaniels.

Coaches always deserve their fair shame of the blame for a loss. I never suggested otherwise.

rbackfactory80
11-15-2009, 01:28 PM
Being outcoached was seeing them act like they were going to fake kick and then throw for the touchdown and then actually doing it. I am still throwing up from that.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 01:28 PM
Yeah? Well, we're not talking about last week, Buff.....how bout THIS week. Your boy flat out sucks, and makes Orton look like Montana......defend THAT.

1) Orton does not look like Montana,
2) I haven't wanted Simms to play since Week 1, and
3) Simms will probably be demoted this week anyway.

So there.

Broncoman13
11-15-2009, 01:29 PM
Now can you see that Simms playing decent in the second half of a preseason game against scrubs is meaningless? Man, I can't believe you were actually calling for this guy to start over Orton. He's awful and about to cost us our third in a row.

Hey, you need to step off of Buff. He's just a stupid fan that really doesn't know much about Xs and Os. Certainly not worthy of starting a thread calling him out. Bushleague.

bpc
11-15-2009, 01:30 PM
Are you nuts? "Just as much to blame"? 11-18 for 193 yards and 2 TDs versus 3 of 12 for 13 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs, and he is "just as much to blame"? That is absolutely ridiculous logic. Plus, Royal was held on the incomplete pass, that is why Orton overthrew him. Even if not, you surely can't equate one missed deep ball with 2 INTs and a 4.9 passer rating?

It's a team loss. Orton had 6 seconds to find Royal wide open, after he was held or not and he just fubar'd the pass.

Orton wasn't making any spectacular plays this game. The WR's were and Orton still managed to mess up what they were doing.

Cleo McDowell
11-15-2009, 01:30 PM
1) Orton does not look like Montana,
2) I haven't wanted Simms to play since Week 1, and
3) Simms will probably be demoted this week anyway.

So there.

compared to Simms, Oron looks like Montana + Elway +Manning combined, F U C K Simms.

errand
11-15-2009, 01:30 PM
Hunter Smith throws a better pass than Simms...and across field at that...for a TD, too.

I'm just saying......

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:30 PM
The jokes on them. Just look at a lot of the people who frequent the board,...yourself included.

Simms blew up his spleen in 2006 when he played 3 games. He didnt play at all in 2007, and played in 1 game in all of 2008 (he threw 2 passes last year). And now here we are in the 9th game of the season and he hasnt played all year, yet you guys are scapegoating a guy who practically hasnt seen seen live regular season action since 2006. If he sucks as bad as youre saying, that falls on McDaniels to have a suitable back up. If Simms was going to start, he needed to be more in play and see more action early on because he hasnt played in so long. He needed to be brought along more as a starter earlier on. To bring up this idea that he's garbage because he was pressed into service in week 9 is silly.

Plenty of QBs have come into a game on short notice and not completely shat the bed. 3 of 12 for 13 yards 2 INTs and a 4.9 passer rating can't all be blamed on a long layoff. Matt Cassel had not played a meaningful snap since high school and played well when his number was called.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 01:31 PM
No way. Nobody was singularly more responsible for this loss today than him. Sorry.

Wrong again.

The special teams coach who saw the fake before the timeout ... but STILL wasn't prepared.

He's #1.

Cleo McDowell
11-15-2009, 01:32 PM
It's a team loss. Orton had 6 seconds to find Royal wide open, after he was held or not and he just fubar'd the pass.

Orton wasn't making any spectacular plays this game. The WR's were and Orton still managed to mess up what they were doing.

wow.

oubronco
11-15-2009, 01:32 PM
No, he is reason number one. 3 of 12 for 13 yards and 2 killer INTs. That is mind-boggingly horrendous. Defense did not play well, but if Simms doesn't shat the bed and merely plays decent we probably win.

this is what I expected from Chrissy he has always sucked

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:33 PM
It's a team loss. Orton had 6 seconds to find Royal wide open, after he was held or not and he just fubar'd the pass.

Orton wasn't making any spectacular plays this game. The WR's were and Orton still managed to mess up what they were doing.

That is absolutely stupid. Orton missed one wide open throw. One. Meanwhile, Simms produced a 4.9 passer rating. And yet Orton is just as much to blame...right buddy LOL

R8R H8R
11-15-2009, 01:33 PM
1) Orton does not look like Montana,
2) I haven't wanted Simms to play since Week 1, and
3) Simms will probably be demoted this week anyway.

So there.

Let's hope so.

BroncoInferno
11-15-2009, 01:34 PM
this is what I expected from Chrissy he has always sucked

I wasn't expecting much, but I was not expecting one of the worse QB performances on the NFL level I've ever seen.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 01:35 PM
Hunter Smith throws a better pass than Simms...and across field at that...for a TD, too.

I'm just saying......

Simms definitely sucked, big time. But blaming him for the loss is a simpleton fan excuse. Blame the guy you watch every play and leave it at that.

Like I said, the special teams on that fake was much worse than Simms. And the run defense was atrocious (we're in big trouble there, you watch).

Simms didn't move the team at all. But he didn't throw a pick-6 or fumble the ball .... his Int was similar to a punt, and he had very little time to throw.

The 4th down incompletion at the end was the worst play ... although with the way he was playing it's doubtful we would've gone any further even had we converted that 1st down.

Beantown Bronco
11-15-2009, 01:35 PM
Wrong again.

The special teams coach who saw the fake before the timeout ... but STILL wasn't prepared.

He's #1.

By definition, wrong again means I was wrong about something else. What was that?

That's a 7 pt play if you blame the coach. Who knows? Maybe someone on the field messed that up. I'm looking at you Alphonso Smith (pretty sure it was him). Sitting in the middle of the EZ, guarding a bunch of empty space, for no conceivable reason.

Simms cost us A LOT more than 7 pts.

Bronco Bob
11-15-2009, 01:35 PM
Youre a clown.

You are the one looking like the one with the big floppy shoes and the bright red nose.

McDman
11-15-2009, 01:37 PM
It's a team loss. Orton had 6 seconds to find Royal wide open, after he was held or not and he just fubar'd the pass.

Orton wasn't making any spectacular plays this game. The WR's were and Orton still managed to mess up what they were doing.

You're a joke. One incomplete pass does not decide a game. If it was an int, maybe you could start bringing that up.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 01:38 PM
I was not expecting one of the worse QB performances on the NFL level I've ever seen.

You haven't seen much football then ... either that or you're just really pissed right now.

McDman
11-15-2009, 01:38 PM
The run D does deserve about as much credit as Simms, they were pitiful.

The Joker
11-15-2009, 01:40 PM
his Int was similar to a punt, and he had very little time to throw.

Yeah, a punt with a net average of 6 yards.

On first down.

Not many of those going round.

He had an absolute eternity to throw as well, by the way.

Beantown Bronco
11-15-2009, 01:40 PM
Simms definitely sucked, big time. But blaming him for the loss is a simpleton fan excuse. Blame the guy you watch every play and leave it at that.

Like I said, the special teams on that fake was much worse than Simms. And the run defense was atrocious (we're in big trouble there, you watch).

Simms didn't move the team at all. But he didn't throw a pick-6 or fumble the ball .... his Int was similar to a punt, and he had very little time to throw.

The 4th down incompletion at the end was the worst play ... although with the way he was playing it's doubtful we would've gone any further even had we converted that 1st down.

Buff:

Fact: they were winning the game after the special teams play, the Buck turnover and with that run defense.

Fact: it wasn't until Simms came in that they lost the game.

Fact: if Orton doesn't get hurt, they win the game going away.

Bronx33
11-15-2009, 01:40 PM
The run D does deserve about as much credit as Simms, they were pitiful.


or give the redskins OL some credit.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 01:40 PM
By definition, wrong again means I was wrong about something else. What was that?
Okay, you're wrong just once then ;D



Simms cost us A LOT more than 7 pts.
C'mon ... he sucked, but he didn't cost us any points.

Definitely not "A LOT MORE" than 7.

wtf?

Meck77
11-15-2009, 01:41 PM
QBs are supposed to get you points Buff. FYI.

Kaylore
11-15-2009, 01:41 PM
Simms definitely sucked, big time. But blaming him for the loss is a simpleton fan excuse. Blame the guy you watch every play and leave it at that.

Like I said, the special teams on that fake was much worse than Simms. And the run defense was atrocious (we're in big trouble there, you watch).

Simms didn't move the team at all. But he didn't throw a pick-6 or fumble the ball .... his Int was similar to a punt, and he had very little time to throw.

The 4th down incompletion at the end was the worst play ... although with the way he was playing it's doubtful we would've gone any further even had we converted that 1st down.
Simms is more responsible for this loss than ST and the defense. He left the defense on the field too long. He allowed himself to get sacked when players were wide open. He threw a pick when the game was tied. He turned the ball over again with a chance to win it by failing to complete EVEN ONE PASS at the end of the game in the two minute drill.

I said it in camp and I'll say it again: CHRIS SIMMS SUCKS! The difference in ability between Simms and Orton is a grand canyon, and Orton isn't some kind of super player.

Bronx33
11-15-2009, 01:42 PM
A completely unessesary hail mary on first down by simms lost the game.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 01:42 PM
QBs are supposed to get you points Buff. FYI.

That's not what we're discussing.

Beantown Bronco
11-15-2009, 01:42 PM
C'mon ... he sucked, but he didn't cost us any points. wtf?

When you throw a pick on first down on the opponent's side of the field and does absolutely nothing of value the rest of the day when the starter scores 17 in one half with the same players, that becomes debatable.

McDman
11-15-2009, 01:42 PM
or give the redskins OL some credit.

No, I refuse to do that.

Orange4Life
11-15-2009, 01:43 PM
Simms definitely sucked, big time. But blaming him for the loss is a simpleton fan excuse. Blame the guy you watch every play and leave it at that.

Like I said, the special teams on that fake was much worse than Simms. And the run defense was atrocious (we're in big trouble there, you watch).

Simms didn't move the team at all. But he didn't throw a pick-6 or fumble the ball .... his Int was similar to a punt, and he had very little time to throw.

The 4th down incompletion at the end was the worst play ... although with the way he was playing it's doubtful we would've gone any further even had we converted that 1st down.

That pick was on first down!!!! I might go with your punt argument if it was third down. You need to give it up you are losing credibility with every post

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 01:44 PM
Simms is more responsible for this loss than ST and the defense. He left the defense on the field too long.

You're honestly blaming Simms for our run defense?


Simms sucked, but that's not his area of sucking :~ohyah!:

R8R H8R
11-15-2009, 01:49 PM
Simms looked like Brandstater did when he played his first game against Seattle.
He looked like a deer in the headlights. It is something you can excuse a late round rookie for, but not a 7th year player and former starter; no way.

colonelbeef
11-15-2009, 01:52 PM
tough spot for Simms, coming in after Orton throws two long tds. He looked totally out of sync, particularly with Royal. I don't think you can totally write him off after 1/2 of lousy football against a decent D, @ DC, no less

baja
11-15-2009, 01:53 PM
yea Simms is horrible. No one can defend his performance today. Just a hideous deep throw to Marshall that cost the Broncos the game

The loss today was a team effort ell except for Brian Dawkins, what a player.

Beantown Bronco
11-15-2009, 01:53 PM
Blaming that one special teams play for this loss more than blaming Simms is like blaming the starting pitcher for a loss when he gives up a HR in the first inning, but leaves the game up 4-1 in the 6th inning.

colonelbeef
11-15-2009, 01:55 PM
More importantly, how long is McDaniels going to annoy everyone by being duplicitous RE: the Orton injury

SJ Bronco
11-15-2009, 01:56 PM
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/8/22/128954712211640293.jpg

TonyR
11-15-2009, 01:56 PM
Fact: if Orton doesn't get hurt, they win the game going away.

To be fair, this one isn't a "fact".

Beantown Bronco
11-15-2009, 01:58 PM
To be fair, this one isn't a "fact".

I'll let you borrow my crystal ball.

colonelbeef
11-15-2009, 01:59 PM
Hopefully forever. I don't see a need for San Diego to know for sure who to prepare for.

They will prepare for Orton, no need to prepare for Simms.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-15-2009, 02:01 PM
Lolthey will prepare for orton, no need to prepare for simms.

rovolution
11-15-2009, 02:01 PM
You're honestly blaming Simms for our run defense?



The D was on the field for a ridiculously long time in the second half. they were actually playing really good in the first half when our offense could actually sustain drives and give them time to rest ala the first half.

baja
11-15-2009, 02:03 PM
1) Orton does not look like Montana,
2) I haven't wanted Simms to play since Week 1, and
3) Simms will probably be demoted this week anyway.

So there.


At 3 mil a year we should cut Simms now.

He has the look of a loser. From the neck down he's probably an adequate player but between the ears he is a lose and some of us have known that since his Texas days.

Soul-Bronco
11-15-2009, 02:03 PM
not to mention jason campells fumble that got waved off and our punter getting run into with no call. Refs sucked bail sack

baja
11-15-2009, 02:05 PM
The D was on the field for a ridiculously long time in the second half. they were actually playing really good in the first half when our offense could actually sustain drives and give them time to rest ala the first half.
The D was getting gashed by their second string back all game long

colonelbeef
11-15-2009, 02:05 PM
Oh. If you know what's going on, why are you crying about McDaniels being 'duplicitous'?

The whole Belichick-Mangini-McDaniels "I'm going to be borderline dickish and insulting about injury reports" thing is tedious at best

Upper extremity injury, lower extremity injury, it's moronic.

Beantown Bronco
11-15-2009, 02:06 PM
The D was getting gashed by their second string back all game long

Cutler was gashing the 9ers defense the other night as well.....

BroncoBen
11-15-2009, 02:07 PM
Blame the loss all on Simms. This whole team sucked today. It would've been nice if we could stop the run at all.

If Simms makes a few plays to keep a drive going, maybe the Defense gets a breather and comes in and makes a few stops.

No this loss can be put at the feet of Simms.

RhymesayersDU
11-15-2009, 02:08 PM
L-O-L @ anybody trying to defend Simms. That is all.

Dagmar
11-15-2009, 02:10 PM
Ok, I'm on page 3 and just wanted to state that Buff called for Simms until just after week one and the came out and admitted his mistake. He too wishes Phil had an abortion.

colonelbeef
11-15-2009, 02:10 PM
My personal belief is that we should allow opposing teams to give our players a physical prior to the games.

This is not remotely close to what I have advocated, but run with it, by all means

Just admit the actual injury and move on, don't have to say who will play until the league mandated clock has timed out. Lower extremity injury is foolish, ankle sprain is accurate, and hardly gives an advantage.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 02:10 PM
L-O-L @ anybody trying to defend Simms. That is all.

I'm not defending Simms, he sucked.

But fact is, Orton sucked worse in preseason that Simms did today, and I don't recall any abortion smack then :~ohyah!:

SouthStndJunkie
11-15-2009, 02:19 PM
That was a Derek Anderson-like performance by Simms today.

Br0nc0Buster
11-15-2009, 02:31 PM
I'm not defending Simms, he sucked.

But fact is, Orton sucked worse in preseason that Simms did today, and I don't recall any abortion smack then :~ohyah!:

because its preseason
You are apparently the only one who cant make the distinction between regular season games and preseason ones

Bronx33
11-15-2009, 02:32 PM
because its preseason
You are apparently the only one who cant make the distinction between regular season games and preseason ones


It's called grasping at straws. ;D

Dagmar
11-15-2009, 02:46 PM
I'm not defending Simms, he sucked.

But fact is, Orton sucked worse in preseason that Simms did today, and I don't recall any abortion smack then :~ohyah!:

Damn and I was defending you. Go **** yourself then.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 02:49 PM
Damn and I was defending you. Go **** yourself then.

LOL

Look, Simms sucked. But he had just 4 possessions ... while meantime the Skins run game was bulldozing our defense, "gouging" the D.

Blaming Simms for this loss is knee-jerk silliness.

Bronx33
11-15-2009, 02:50 PM
LOL

Look, Simms sucked. But he had just 4 possessions ... while meantime the Skins run game was bulldozing our defense, "gouging" the D. Blaming Simms is knee-jerk silliness.


knee jerk? you really think he could get better?

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 02:52 PM
knee jerk? you really think he could get better?

"Get" better I dunno ... but like I said, he had just 4 possessions today, one of those during the 2-minute warning.

If Orton is out (god forbid), and Simms prepares, he will almost certainly play better.

Beantown Bronco
11-15-2009, 02:57 PM
LOL

Look, Simms sucked. But he had just 4 possessions ... while meantime the Skins run game was bulldozing our defense, "gouging" the D.

Blaming Simms for this loss is knee-jerk silliness.

You do realize that the defense you are so quick to blame did this in the 2nd half:

Skins first possession.....punt
2nd......turnover on downs
3rd......field goal

They got it done for as long as they could. After Simms' useless @ss had them out there with no rest, they finally gave up a TD after 4 drives of a minute or so rest between.

Last Skins drive? They didn't allow a first down and only gave up 3 because the drive started in Broncos territory.

One bad drive in an entire half. Two in the entire game.

Yup, let's blame them.

Meck77
11-15-2009, 02:57 PM
Buff is going on my ignore list. Enough stupid takes is enough. Simms better....lol

baja
11-15-2009, 02:58 PM
"get" better i dunno ... But like i said, he had just 4 possessions today, one of those during the 2-minute warning.

If orton is out (god forbid), and simms prepares, he will almost certainly play better.

simms had the look of a guy that did not want to get on the field

Broncoman13
11-15-2009, 02:58 PM
"Get" better I dunno ... but like I said, he had just 4 possessions today, one of those during the 2-minute warning.

If Orton is out (god forbid), and Simms prepares, he will almost certainly play better.

Well there is a BFO... He'll play better. He had a passer rating of like 4.7... Kind of ***cing hard to NOT PLAY BETTER. You're a real freaking genius you know that.

baja
11-15-2009, 03:00 PM
"Get" better I dunno ... but like I said, he had just 4 possessions today, one of those during the 2-minute warning.

If Orton is out (god forbid), and Simms prepares, he will almost certainly play better.

Dude quit while you are only looking only somewhat silly

Broncoman13
11-15-2009, 03:00 PM
Buff is going on my ignore list. Enough stupid takes is enough. Simms better....lol

The sad thing is that he thinks he is right...

I don't get why we didn't just keep running Knowshon. He rattles off a nice first down run and we throw a toss up... on first down no less. That playcall makes Buff seem like a smart guy!

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 03:01 PM
Buff is going on my ignore list. Enough stupid takes is enough. Simms better....lol

You didn't read my post ....

And why do you care SO MUCH what I think? :~ohyah!:

Get on with your life!

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 03:02 PM
Dude quit while you are only looking only somewhat silly

"he will almost certainly play better" ... what's wrong with that? He can't play much worse.

Broncoman13
11-15-2009, 03:04 PM
"he will almost certainly play better" ... what's wrong with that? He can't play much worse.

You're trying to defend somebody that couldn't carry Orton's jock today. He was that bad. He was so bad his dad called to tell him to fake an injury so he could keep a salary!

baja
11-15-2009, 03:06 PM
would you agree simms is not worth 3 million dollars?

The Joker
11-15-2009, 03:06 PM
The sad thing is that he thinks he is right...

I don't get why we didn't just keep running Knowshon. He rattles off a nice first down run and we throw a toss up... on first down no less. That playcall makes Buff seem like a smart guy!

"We" didn't do anything wrong.

We went PA, and the Redskins bit on it completely. Simms had time to steady himself, look downfield, go through his progressions, send a text to Kyle Shanahan, and then make a throw.

The problem was that he decided to lob a prayer into double coverage, and the inevitable pick ensued.

Any QB worth his piss finds an open receiver, or at worst throws the ball away.

Broncoman13
11-15-2009, 03:09 PM
"We" didn't do anything wrong.

We went PA, and the Redskins bit on it completely. Simms had time to steady himself, look downfield, go through his progressions, send a text to Kyle Shanahan, and then make a throw.

The problem was that he decided to lob a prayer into double coverage, and the inevitable pick ensued.

Any QB worth his piss finds an open receiver, or at worst throws the ball away.

Jay Cutler?

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 03:10 PM
You're trying to defend somebody that couldn't carry Orton's jock today. He was that bad. He was so bad his dad called to tell him to fake an injury so he could keep a salary!

I don't think I'm defending him ... he sucked.

Beantown Bronco
11-15-2009, 03:13 PM
I don't think I'm defending him ... he sucked.

By saying that others are more to blame (without actually identifying any legitimate targets), you are most certainly defending him.

Popps
11-15-2009, 03:14 PM
Maybe a week of practice will help Simms, but that was the worst back-up QB job I've seen in ages. Honestly, he looked frightened, confused and his arm looks awful.

I don't know where Brandstater is with regards to knowing the offense, but if we're forced to play a back-up next week, I can't imagine any upside in starting Simms. Get the rookie some experience and take a chance.

baja
11-15-2009, 03:15 PM
The D needs more quality rotation guys, especially down the stretch.

Dagmar
11-15-2009, 03:16 PM
Buff wants to slurp on the jizz from a double cumming on his face from Simms and Cutler. Sad ass ****. Butt ugly too. Jesus.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 03:17 PM
By saying that others are more to blame (without actually identifying any legitimate targets), you are most certainly defending him.
I just don't think it was "his fault" we lost. He sucked HUGELY, but to say "it was all Simms fault," which several guys have, is just an angry, knee-jerk reaction.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 03:18 PM
Maybe a week of practice will help Simms, but that was the worst back-up QB job I've seen in ages. Honestly, he looked frightened, confused and his arm looks awful.

I don't know where Brandstater is with regards to knowing the offense, but if we're forced to play a back-up next week, I can't imagine any upside in starting Simms. Get the rookie some experience and take a chance.

Agreed 100% .... we have to look into whether Brandstater might be a better option./ Like you said elsewhere today, at least he has an upside.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 03:19 PM
And along these lines ... why was Brandstater dressed today? No way should three healthy QBs dress.

Were our inactives used up by injured guys?

Beantown Bronco
11-15-2009, 03:22 PM
And along these lines ... why was Brandstater dressed today? No way should three healthy QBs dress.

Were our inactives used up by injured guys?

He was the emergency #3 QB. Technically, he is/was listed as inactive, but it's standard operating procedure for the #3 to dress.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 03:22 PM
He was the emergency #3 QB. Technically, he is/was listed as inactive, but it's standard operating procedure for the #3 to dress.

Oh.

Well thank you.

baja
11-15-2009, 03:24 PM
And along these lines ... why was Brandstater dressed today? No way should three healthy QBs dress.

Were our inactives used up by injured guys?

Like every week he was the inactive designated 3rd QB but you should know that.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 03:26 PM
Like every week he was the inactive designated 3rd QB but you should know that.

I thought they changed that rule.

You should know that.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 03:27 PM
So then .... WHY WAS JARVIS MOSS DRESSED?!?!

Is there an inactive designated 3rd-string linebacker rule?

baja
11-15-2009, 03:30 PM
I thought they changed that rule.

You should know that.

Know what? That you are a dumb ass that insists on showing his ass with every post? I do know that...

baja
11-15-2009, 03:31 PM
So then .... WHY WAS JARVIS MOSS DRESSED?!?!

Is there an inactive designated 3rd-string linebacker rule?

Maybe because he was active.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 03:33 PM
Know what? That you are a dumb ass that insists on showing his ass with every post? I do know that...

joke ... I was mirroring what you wrote :peace:

HEAV
11-15-2009, 03:46 PM
joke ... I was mirroring what you wrote :peace:

Oh how far you have fallen on here...there was a time when many respected you posting...now you are a joke.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 06:25 PM
Oh how far you have fallen on here...there was a time when many respected you posting...now you are a joke.
Imagine my distress to learn of your disapproval ... :(

If it helps you cope with this difficult situation, please take comfort in knowing I don't care what you think at all ;D

Man-Goblin
11-15-2009, 07:17 PM
I haven't read the thread, so I'm not sure what has been said. But my 2 cents says you guys need to give BB a break. I would assume in an attempt to get the offense up to speed Orton has been taking more of the reps than par, if not all of them.

Give Simms a week to get comfortable and let's see what he can do.

DeusExManning
11-15-2009, 07:31 PM
Imagine my distress to learn of your disapproval ... :(

If it helps you cope with this difficult situation, please take comfort in knowing I don't care what you think at all ;D

You got my respect Buff.

theAPAOps5
11-15-2009, 07:40 PM
Lex, BroncoBuff, and Broncofan7 = not very good at this football thing in terms of QBs. ;D

At least 2 of the above aren't complete douche bags! Too be fair I didn't think Simms would be that bad!

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 07:43 PM
You got my respect Buff.

:thanku:

HEAV
11-15-2009, 08:19 PM
Imagine my distress to learn of your disapproval ... :(

If it helps you cope with this difficult situation, please take comfort in knowing I don't care what you think at all ;D

Ya that's why a couple of weeks ago you sent me a friend request...

MplsBronco
11-15-2009, 08:21 PM
Oh.

Well thank you.

you would think someone with your vast football knowledge would know something as basic as that. Idiot.

baja
11-15-2009, 08:22 PM
Ya that's why a couple of weeks ago you sent me a friend request...

Hey I didn't get one where's mine.

lex
11-15-2009, 08:22 PM
Buff, when was the last time you advocated Simms starting?

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 08:31 PM
Buff, when was the last time you advocated Simms starting?

Week 1

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 08:33 PM
Ya that's why a couple of weeks ago you sent me a friend request...

You're talking about the vBulletin friends list .. and I still want you as my friend!

And baja I thought we already were friends ther but we're not! I have 24 friends, join me - look on the right side: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/member.php?u=3763

baja
11-15-2009, 08:36 PM
You're talking about the vBulletin friends list .. and I still want you as my friend!

And baja I thought we already were friends ther but we're not! I have 24 friends, join me - look on the right side: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/member.php?u=3763

I'm on the fence about that ;D

lex
11-15-2009, 08:36 PM
Week 1

LOL. Wow, thats just sad that youre getting this much grief. Most of the people on this board are simultaneously pathetic and amusing.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 08:42 PM
I'm on the fence about that ;D

Okay I "Befriended" you ... it's up to yu to say yes or no.

And HEAV, I already tried to befriend you, you haven't said yes or no:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8651/44827587.png




And while I was on baja's page, I noticed McMan-Goblin was just married ...

CONGRATULATIONS GOBLIN! ;D

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 08:44 PM
LOL. Wow, thats just sad that youre getting this much grief. Most of the people on this board are simultaneously pathetic and amusing.

I know ... I actually said Woody Paige was insane when he advocated Simms to start last week.

My Simms-love is old ... but strong! :pimp:

Arkansas Bronco
11-15-2009, 09:23 PM
Okay I "Befriended" you ... it's up to yu to say yes or no.

And HEAV, I already tried to befriend you, you haven't said yes or no:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8651/44827587.png




And while I was on baja's page, I noticed McMan-Goblin was just married ...

CONGRATULATIONS GOBLIN! ;D

screw u 2 i never got an invite from u. oh and lex u make a drunk mock far better 2 read.

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 09:24 PM
screw u 2 i never got an invite from u. oh and lex u make a drunk mock far better 2 read.

Alright alright, I sent you a friend request.

RhymesayersDU
11-15-2009, 09:25 PM
Homer Simpson weighs in:

"Yeah, Moe, that QB sure did suck last night. Simms just plain sucked! I've seen QBs suck before, but he was the suckiest suck that ever sucked."

He had to go because, and I quote, "his damn weiner kids were listening."

Arkansas Bronco
11-15-2009, 09:26 PM
buff i was playin but a 20 sec response is spot on

BroncoBuff
11-15-2009, 09:33 PM
buff i was playin but a 20 sec response is spot on

spit spot

Broncoman13
11-16-2009, 04:28 AM
Lex, BroncoBuff, and Broncofan7 = not very good at this football thing in terms of QBs. ;D

At least 2 of the above aren't complete douche bags! Too be fair I didn't think Simms would be that bad!

Oh shiat... talk about a mindbender. I've been trying to figure out which one of those three isn't a a complete douche. I give up, but if I HAD to guess, I'd guess Lex. Am I right?

errand
11-16-2009, 05:29 AM
I just don't think it was "his fault" we lost. He sucked HUGELY, but to say "it was all Simms fault," which several guys have, is just an angry, knee-jerk reaction.

Is it any more knee jerk than when you and your clown posse claimed Orton had nothing to do with our team being 6-0? Or exclusively blaming him for the two losses prior to this one?

errand
11-16-2009, 05:30 AM
Oh how far you have fallen on here...there was a time when many respected you posting...now you are a joke.

Really? When was that?

barryr
11-16-2009, 05:37 AM
I think they would have done better with Moreno just taking the snaps and running with the ball than Simms doing anything. I still can't get over that pass to the end zone to Marshall. What the heck was that and on a 1st down no less with multiple defenders back there? That's a HS decision.

errand
11-16-2009, 05:41 AM
The jokes on them. Just look at a lot of the people who frequent the board,...yourself included.

Simms blew up his spleen in 2006 when he played 3 games. He didnt play at all in 2007, and played in 1 game in all of 2008 (he threw 2 passes last year). And now here we are in the 9th game of the season and he hasnt played all year, yet you guys are scapegoating a guy who practically hasnt seen seen live regular season action since 2006. If he sucks as bad as youre saying, that falls on McDaniels to have a suitable back up. If Simms was going to start, he needed to be more in play and see more action early on because he hasnt played in so long. He needed to be brought along more as a starter earlier on. To bring up this idea that he's garbage because he was pressed into service in week 9 is silly.

Todd Collins entered a game on Dec. 10th 2007 and hit on 15-20 for 224 2 TD's and 0 INT's en route to beating the Bears 24-16. Hies last pass thrown prior to then was on December 19th 2004...a period of almost 3 years

so wouldn't this dispell the theory that a back-up cannot perform well because he'd had a few seasons off.

errand
11-16-2009, 05:46 AM
. To bring up this idea that he's garbage because he was pressed into service in week 9 is silly.

not any sillier than claiming Kyle Orton sucked after one pre-season game.....

errand
11-16-2009, 05:48 AM
I was thinking that even I could possibly complete 3 passes for a mere 13 yards in the NFL. I know for sure that I could throw an INT....and I'd do it for a moon pie and RC cola.

errand
11-16-2009, 05:54 AM
Basically the Redskins won because their back-up RB played better than our back-up QB did.

BroncoInferno
11-16-2009, 06:38 AM
LOL. Wow, thats just sad that youre getting this much grief. Most of the people on this board are simultaneously pathetic and amusing.

What's sad is that he EVER advocated Simms start based on him playing decent in the second half of a preseason game against scrubs.

GeniusatWork
11-16-2009, 07:13 AM
Coaching lost this game. MCD and Nolan were out-schemed by a lame duck coach and the owner cronies.

The QB position is horrendous throughout. Sure, Orton had two touchdowns... what about that missed deep ball to Royal which was a guaranteed 7 pts? He's just as much at fault as Simms. The WR's were ready to make plays and we couldn't get them the ball. It was McDaniels job to have Simms ready to go. He wasn't.

Rush defense is rearing it's ugly head and there are holes popping up all over this roster.

Scary. Season is on the brink next week.

That might be the poorest post I've seen on this board.

GeniusatWork
11-16-2009, 07:37 AM
Simms definitely sucked, big time. But blaming him for the loss is a simpleton fan excuse. Blame the guy you watch every play and leave it at that.

Like I said, the special teams on that fake was much worse than Simms. And the run defense was atrocious (we're in big trouble there, you watch).

Simms didn't move the team at all. But he didn't throw a pick-6 or fumble the ball .... his Int was similar to a punt, and he had very little time to throw.

The 4th down incompletion at the end was the worst play ... although with the way he was playing it's doubtful we would've gone any further even had we converted that 1st down.

Oh lord. I can't believe you said that. Please. My god.

You were joking? Please tell me you were joking.

oubronco
11-16-2009, 07:45 AM
Oh lord. I can't believe you said that. Please. My god.

You were joking? Please tell me you were joking.

it did go about as far as burgers punts

Mountain Bronco
11-16-2009, 08:00 AM
Similar to a punt???? Wow you are missing some brain cells.

cousinal11
11-16-2009, 08:08 AM
it did go about as far as burgers punts

Only Berger doesn't punt on 1st and 10 with Uncle Mo' on our side.

Crushaholic
11-16-2009, 10:03 AM
"Get" better I dunno ... but like I said, he had just 4 possessions today, one of those during the 2-minute warning.

If Orton is out (god forbid), and Simms prepares, he will almost certainly play better.

Give Simms the majority of the snaps in practice this week and he MIGHT be more comfortable. Simms is a better quarterback than he showed yesterday...

BroncoBuff
11-16-2009, 10:16 AM
Oh lord. I can't believe you said that. Please. My god.

You were joking? Please tell me you were joking.

Facts don't change based on your interpretation of them. It was intercepted in the end zone. Doesn't mean it was okay, in fact a) it was on first down, and b) it was a horrible HORRIBLE throw. I can't understand how he threw so well in preseason, and threw so poorly yesterday.

For whatever it's worth, the Redskins had the #1 pass defense in the league. Didn't seem to bother Orton, but they did/do.

TailgateNut
11-16-2009, 10:21 AM
Facts don't change based on your interpretation of them. It was intercepted in the end zone. Doesn't mean it was okay, in fact a) it was on first down, and b) it was a horrible HORRIBLE throw. I can't understand how he threw so well in preseason, and threw so poorly yesterday.

For whatever it's worth, the Redskins had the #1 pass defense in the league. Didn't seem to bother Orton, but they did/do.


Oy Vey!

BroncoInferno
11-16-2009, 10:23 AM
Facts don't change based on your interpretation of them. It was intercepted in the end zone. Doesn't mean it was okay, in fact a) it was on first down, and b) it was a horrible HORRIBLE throw. I can't understand how he threw so well in preseason, and threw so poorly yesterday.

For whatever it's worth, the Redskins had the #1 pass defense in the league. Didn't seem to bother Orton, but they did/do.

Uhh Is it really that hard to understand? He was playing in the second half against scrubs, some guys who are no longer on an NFL team! THAT'S WHY HE THREW THE BALL WELL! It ain't rocket science, Buff.

BroncoBuff
11-16-2009, 10:34 AM
Uhh Is it really that hard to understand? He was playing in the second half against scrubs, some guys who are no longer on an NFL team! THAT'S WHY HE THREW THE BALL WELL! It ain't rocket science, Buff.

People always say that, but it doesn't make any sense at all ... you say it's not rocket science, but you don't seem to get it: He was playing WITH scrubs too! His TD passes were to Kenny McKinley and Brandon Lloyd ... his LT was Clint Oldenberg, his line Korey Lichtensteiger, Seth Olsen and Matt McChesney, his TE Jeb Putzier, and his RB Darius Walker. Those are SCRUBS.

He sucked yesterday, the suckiest suck of all sucking sucks. But he was very good, even excellent in his 3 quarters in preseason.

Personally, if Josh cuts him today, I'll understand. But don't pretend he was bad in preseason, because he wasn't.

TailgateNut
11-16-2009, 10:35 AM
Uhh Is it really that hard to understand? He was playing in the second half against scrubs, some guys who are no longer on an NFL team! THAT'S WHY HE THREW THE BALL WELL! It ain't rocket science, Buff.

On a side note, if I recall correctly, Brandstater was firing on all cylinders against the first team and second string.
He definately has a few more braincells than Simms, but then, so does a single cell organism.

BroncoBuff
11-16-2009, 10:38 AM
Oh shiat... talk about a mindbender. I've been trying to figure out which one of those three isn't a a complete douche. I give up, but if I HAD to guess, I'd guess Lex. Am I right?

Jerk hiding behind a different username.

Dude, you are a total ass. I thought so when I met you too. ... all your tantrums about this thing and that thing. And now you're trying to hide behind a new name ... that's just sad.

BroncoBuff
11-16-2009, 10:41 AM
On a side note, if I recall correctly, Brandstater was firing on all cylinders against the first team and second string.
He definately has a few more braincells than Simms, but then, so does a single cell organism.

Let's just hope Orton can go next week ... it's the most important game yet this season.

BroncoInferno
11-16-2009, 10:41 AM
People always say that, but it doesn't make any sense at all ... you say it's not rocket science, but you don't seem to get it: He was playing WITH scrubs too! His TD passes were to Kenny McKinley and Brandon Lloyd ... his LT was Clint Oldenberg, his line Korey Lichtensteiger, Seth Olsen and Matt McChesney, his TE Jeb Putzier, and his RB Darius Walker. Those are SCRUBS.

He sucked yesterday, the suckiest suck of all sucking sucks. But he was very good, even excellent in his 3 quarters in preseason.

Personally, if Josh cuts him today, I'll understand. But don't pretend he was bad in preseason, because he wasn't.

He only played one half in the preseason! That's not enough evidence to conclude about his play one way or another. As far as the scrubs debate goes, you also have to factor in that teams run vanilla offenses and defenses. In other words, he was executing a vanilla (i.e. more simplistic, easier to understand) offense against a vanilla (i.e. basic fronts, not much disguising or blitzing) defense.

BroncoBuff
11-16-2009, 10:43 AM
He only played one half in the preseason! That's not enough evidence to conclude about his play one way or another. As far as the scrubs debate goes, you also have to factor in that teams run vanilla offenses and defenses. In other words, he was executing a vanilla (i.e. more simplistic, easier to understand) offense against a vanilla (i.e. basic fronts, not much disguising or blitzing) defense.

I'm aware of all that. Vanilla doesn't change that he played lights out.

Obviously he's not ready for regular season play though.

BroncoInferno
11-16-2009, 10:48 AM
I'm aware of all that. Vanilla doesn't change that he played lights out.

Obviously he's not ready for regular season play though.

Vanilla most certainly DOES change how you interpret the results. That's why coaches don't put much stock in Ws and Ls or stats in the preseason. They are more interested in working out the rust and evaluating the bottom of the roster. You can't tell how any QB is going to play based on one half of preseason football because he isn't executing a complex scheme against a complex, disguising defense.

BroncoBuff
11-16-2009, 11:04 AM
Okay, whatever.

broncocalijohn
11-16-2009, 11:12 AM
STFU. If Orton was standing on the sidelines as long as Simms was, its doubtful he'd be sharp if thrown into the fire like Simms was today. And actually, its not even like Orton was sharp the past two weeks. The fact that you guys are getting out in front of this is as laughable as it is pathetic.

god lex you think you would learn. DO you actually think Simms will look good against SD next week if he has a whole week to prepare, play at home and know that he is the starter from Monday on? He will be on 1st team starting today. If Orton cant go for two weeks, we go to 6-5. We cant run at all in these circumstances. You think the D was stacked in Balt and vs Steelers, wait until Sunday!

BroncoBuff
11-16-2009, 11:13 AM
god lex you think you would learn. DO you actually think Simms will look good against SD next week if he has a whole week to prepare, play at home and know that he is the starter from Monday on? He will be on 1st team starting today. If Orton cant go for two weeks, we go to 6-5. We cant run at all in these circumstances. You think the D was stacked in Balt and vs Steelers, wait until Sunday!

We'll see.

Maybe.

TailgateNut
11-16-2009, 11:17 AM
We'll see.

Maybe.

Yes we will, if he's in the pocket ****ting on himself.

baja
11-16-2009, 11:19 AM
it did go about as far as burgers punts

Except we don't often punt on first down.

TailgateNut
11-16-2009, 11:22 AM
Except we don't often punt on first down.

If Simms starts next week, we should. That'll give us a chance to win.:wiggle:

Rohirrim
11-16-2009, 11:22 AM
Except we don't often punt on first down.

It was a trick play.

Lev Vyvanse
11-16-2009, 11:29 AM
Except we don't often punt on first down.If Simms starts next week, we should. That'll give us a chance to win.:wiggle:
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BroncoBuff
11-16-2009, 11:33 AM
Well Josh has decided it's Simms "definitely," so don't argue with me, argue with Josh.

Simms can't be as bad as yesterday, it's near impossible he's that bad.

broncocalijohn
11-16-2009, 11:34 AM
After going back and starting to read page 2 of this thing I just thought that if we didnt have Simms as backup, how does the name Patrick Ramsey sound? I was one that loved the idea to can Ramsey and give Simms a try. I thought it sucked to lose his job after his spleen was taken out but if this is his preparation for coming in an emergency, are we worse off if he has a full week of practice and he is just fooling us? I dont know enough about his play in TB from a few years back to know if we have a chance.

BroncoBuff
11-16-2009, 11:37 AM
All backup quarterbacks suck.

Except Gary Kubiak.

Rohirrim
11-16-2009, 11:40 AM
Hell, Bubby would have won that game yesterday.

Beantown Bronco
11-16-2009, 11:40 AM
Paging Gus Frerotte.

BroncoBuff
11-16-2009, 11:45 AM
Seriously though, Kubiak was always nails .... something about John, every year or two he'd miss a game outta the blue - stomach virus, flu, something. And Kubiak ALWAYS came through.

As a 2nd year player, he killed Seattle when called on at the last minute, and he was damn good at the last minute in the 1991 AFC Championship game at Buffalo ... among many others.

broncocalijohn
11-16-2009, 11:46 AM
A completely unessesary hail mary on first down by simms lost the game.

It was turned into a hail mary thanks to Simms. I havent seen the video of Marshall being open for anytime on that but if we assume he had a beat on the defender, Simms waited long enough and then floated it high enough to have another player not only get there in time but make a catch for the TD! Oh wait, it was a defender and it was a INT. I read BB said it was as good as a punt. BB, do you realize that was on first down?

broncocalijohn
11-16-2009, 11:48 AM
All backup quarterbacks suck.

Except Gary Kubiak.

but you wanted Simms to be starter. So he only sucks as backup but is good at starter. Huh? Maybe you just are admitting he isnt what some (including yourself) thought he was capable of doing.

Rohirrim
11-16-2009, 11:49 AM
Doesn't anybody remember what Bubby Brister did in 1998? 5 and 0. That was another Shanahan FU - picking Griese over Bubby.

Mountain Bronco
11-16-2009, 12:04 PM
Yeah, Bubby was great that year, but TD was even better. Nobody could stop him so even Simms would have been 3-2, 4-1 with that supporting cast.

Beantown Bronco
11-16-2009, 12:12 PM
Yeah, Bubby was great that year, but TD was even better. Nobody could stop him so even Simms would have been 3-2, 4-1 with that supporting cast.

Moreno was getting over 7 yards a carry yesterday and Marshall was having the best game of his career by far.....

errand
11-16-2009, 02:33 PM
All backup quarterbacks suck.

Except Gary Kubiak.

Kubiak made a great back-up because he knew his role was to be the back-up. He did an admirable job. I recall when he almost won the AFC title game that Elway cost us with a Chris Simms like pick 6 he threw to Carlton Bailey...talk about a wasted effort by our defense.

Bubby Brister was a good back-up as well...leading us to 4 wins in John's absence in '98 season en route to winning our second Super Bowl title.

And Gus Frerotte...alot of people hated him which was vexing as he led us down the stretch to a wildcard berth. In fact i think he was maligned as much as Brister was.

the truly amazing thing is other than Kubiak, both Brister and Frerotte have been blasted unmercifully on here since it's inception...despite their contributions helping the Broncos make the playoffs.

Broncolorado
11-16-2009, 02:39 PM
Bring Jake in.He'd love to win one and put it to Shanny.Maybe George Blanda,he'd still be better than Simms and could back up Prater(for you old guys).

errand
11-16-2009, 02:49 PM
Bring Jake in.He'd love to win one and put it to Shanny.Maybe George Blanda,he'd still be better than Simms and could back up Prater(for you old guys).

I'm sure Jake is happy doing whatever it is he's doing...besides why would he come back after a two year hiatus/retirement? Not to mention why would he re-sign with a team whose fans did nothing but try to get rid of him?

Thanks but no thanks Denver is what I think he'd say....

BroncoBuff
11-18-2009, 06:43 PM
I recall when (Kubiak) almost won the AFC title game that Elway cost us with a Chris Simms like pick 6 he threw to Carlton Bailey...talk about a wasted effort by our defense.

Yes yes ... and Elway was the only possible tackler, the only guy between Bailey and the end zone on that pick six.

He twisted around backwards awkwardly trying to make the tackle ... that might've been how he got injured for Kubiak to come in.

It was an excellent effort ... outside of the 1997 games in Pittsburgh and KC, it was probably the best road playoff performance in franchise history.

ro_50
11-18-2009, 08:20 PM
The backup QB is always the flavor of the fans because when the starter struggles, most chime in and want the backup to play.

Fans have their preference of which qb should be starting when when the position is not stable, as is the case w/ the Broncos.

Simms struggled but its been so long since he played I'm willing to give him a wait-and-see approach before I write him off.

If Orton is healthy, he should play this week but if he's not, then lets see what Simms does w/ the extra week of mental preparation of being the no. 1 guy for now.

Dedhed
11-18-2009, 08:33 PM
If Orton is 55% he should play, if he's 49% bring in Tom. I'm thinking that McD's "definitely Simms" comment is a belichikian smoke screen for Tom B.

BroncoBuff
11-18-2009, 09:24 PM
If Orton is 55% he should play, if he's 49% bring in Tom. I'm thinking that McD's "definitely Simms" comment is a belichikian smoke screen for Tom B.

Funny.