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oubronco
11-10-2009, 02:24 PM
The Broncos tried to beef up things in their nickel package five defensive backs Monday night, but still might find it a target of opposing running games over the second half of the season.

The Ravens ran seven times against the Broncos nickel package in the game six of those in the second half for 55 yards. That was against the defensive front the Broncos have used much of the time this season when they go to the nickel Darrell Reid (270 pounds) at nose tackle with Elvis Dumervil (248 pounds) and Vonnie Holliday (285 pounds) at the two end spots.

However, against the Steelers when the Broncos put the fifth defensive back on the field Ty Law and then subbed in linebackers Robert Ayers and Wesley Woodyard as they normally do, they left their bigger defensive line in for most of the snaps when they were in the nickel.

For most of the night, nose tackle Ronald Fields (314 pounds) and ends Kenny Petyerson (295) and LeKevin Smith (308), playing for the injured Ryan McBean, stayed in the game.

The Steelers tried to run against the Broncos' nickel package just once in the first half for two yards but obviously thought better of it at halftime. They took five swings at it in the run game in the third quarter alone, for runs of six, three, 24, 28 and eight yards.

And the offenses that can line up in three wide receiver looks that are threatening in the passing game, like the Chargers, Giants, Indianapolis and Philadelphia, will also likely take a look at running out of the formation against the Broncos as well.

What will Nolan do to fix this? The Steelers were gashing them in the 4th

UberBroncoMan
11-10-2009, 02:27 PM
The Broncos tried to beef up things in their nickel package five defensive backs Monday night, but still might find it a target of opposing running games over the second half of the season.

The Ravens ran seven times against the Broncos nickel package in the game six of those in the second half for 55 yards. That was against the defensive front the Broncos have used much of the time this season when they go to the nickel Darrell Reid (270 pounds) at nose tackle with Elvis Dumervil (248 pounds) and Vonnie Holliday (285 pounds) at the two end spots.

However, against the Steelers when the Broncos put the fifth defensive back on the field Ty Law and then subbed in linebackers Robert Ayers and Wesley Woodyard as they normally do, they left their bigger defensive line in for most of the snaps when they were in the nickel.

For most of the night, nose tackle Ronald Fields (314 pounds) and ends Kenny Petyerson (295) and LeKevin Smith (308), playing for the injured Ryan McBean, stayed in the game.

The Steelers tried to run against the Broncos' nickel package just once in the first half for two yards but obviously thought better of it at halftime. They took five swings at it in the run game in the third quarter alone, for runs of six, three, 24, 28 and eight yards.

And the offenses that can line up in three wide receiver looks that are threatening in the passing game, like the Chargers, Giants, Indianapolis and Philadelphia, will also likely take a look at running out of the formation against the Broncos as well.

What will Nolan do to fix this? The Steelers were gashing them in the 4th

He'll explain to McDaniels that an anemic offense that scores 5 points a game and punting non-stop (often for as little as 30 yards) isn't helping the defense.

oubronco
11-10-2009, 02:29 PM
Yes but punting better won't stop running backs from gougeing the defense

WolfpackGuy
11-10-2009, 02:37 PM
That counter play killed them on more than one occasion.

There was NOBODY outside to even slow down Mendenhall.

oubronco
11-10-2009, 02:40 PM
Misdirection has always given Denver fits, and I can't stand it when they leave the middle of the field open

Garcia Bronco
11-10-2009, 02:44 PM
When I see massive holds it doesn't matter what run defense you use. It's why there is a rule for holding in the NFL.

PRBronco
11-10-2009, 02:44 PM
Misdirection has always given Denver fits, and I can't stand it when they leave the middle of the field open

Unfortunately DJ does not respond well to trickery :-/

bpc
11-10-2009, 02:45 PM
Maybe being on the field for 25 minutes in the 2nd half killed us.

The defense is far from the problem here.

Garcia Bronco
11-10-2009, 02:45 PM
That counter play killed them on more than one occasion.

There was NOBODY outside to even slow down Mendenhall.

Because they were being held.

oubronco
11-10-2009, 02:50 PM
Because they were being held.

there was holding on a few occassions but not on every play, the defense was just not disiplined and they have to quit leaving the middle open IMO

missingnumber7
11-10-2009, 06:45 PM
There was holding on the edge dang near every time they ran the ball outside...but the real issue is the 20+ mins the d was on the field. When ben uses all 41 seconds of the play clock up on 75 percent of snaps and their short passing game is just as abusive as their running game

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-10-2009, 07:09 PM
Maybe being on the field for 25 minutes in the 2nd half killed us.

The defense is far from the problem here.

Ding ding ding! :yep:

We have a winner.

kappys
11-10-2009, 10:00 PM
Both DJ and Wesley bit on the misdirection. In a 5-2 if those guys don't make the right read its going to be a huge gain.

Of course being allowed to hold the ends in the 5-2 certainly makes those holes a lot bigger.

Hulamau
11-10-2009, 11:18 PM
Yes but punting better won't stop running backs from gougeing the defense

That first post starting the thread is a gross oversimplification. By the way is that your analysis or from an article excerpt??

Many of these runs happened out of the no huddle as well and/or in between no huddle snaps with very little time to substitute, our bigger linemen had little time to substitute nor did the LBs.
Notice too how the Steelers smartly just stood still at the line for hte longish count during their no huddle while the Broncos D is jumping all around trying to work the play.

Net result we got gassed. I am surprised and a bit disappointed Nolan didn't have them better prepared for the no huddle, in light of Baltimore using it effectively at times last week but I suspect they will work on execute fast substitutions as well going forward. Particularly for those games you mention.

Not to mention tighten up the gaps on those formations. But I can tell you none of the other teams we face outside of possibly the Giants should that have one of their good defensive games or maybe the Colts (though I doubt it with their growing injury list) would be able to mount anything like the kind of defensive effort the Ravens/Steelers put together, that made our offense at this stage of its development so one dimensional and ineffective.

Even getting a few more first downs on drives takes a huge amount of heat off of the defense and allows them to actually catch their breath. Half those runs don't happen then and those that do are shorter. Net result 14 less points on the board and anyone's game late in the 4th quarter which his more our game at this point.

The real 'fix' for our run defense right now is on offense ... and OUR running game!