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Gort
11-10-2009, 08:35 AM
a) old
b) taking plays off
c) bad game

which was it?

Peoples Champ
11-10-2009, 08:37 AM
so he lost a step, I still want him back there over most corners in the league. He needs to restructure for next year though. I dont know if we can afford him at what he makes.

TonyR
11-10-2009, 08:41 AM
He made Santonio Holmes look really good, didn't he? Roethlisberger made some good throws and some good plays, Champ was on the wrong end of a few of them. Champ's best days are well behind him but he's still very good. Hopefully this will be his worst effort of the season.

bronco militia
11-10-2009, 08:43 AM
none of the above.....

he was lost

pre-snap, champ and law looked lost and it seemed like they were waiting on Dawkins to tell them where to line up on almost every play.

there where several times champ was lined up at safety and Dawkins moved down to the LOS and then dawkins was forced to play corner.

WolfpackGuy
11-10-2009, 08:44 AM
I thought Champ did a decent job keeping his man in front and making the tackle.

The Steelers' passing game is like a perpetual broken play which makes it hard to stay with the receivers when they're all over the place trying to get open.

Holmes did a good job of not letting on the ball was coming on that one pass though.

BMarsh615
11-10-2009, 08:45 AM
They completed a couple balls on him big fuggin deal.

Peoples Champ
11-10-2009, 08:47 AM
They completed a couple balls on him big fuggin deal.


Ya he is not superman. Even Michael Jordan misses free throws

Hotrod
11-10-2009, 08:50 AM
I think its obvious to everyone we released the wrong cb on Friday :nono:

s0phr0syne
11-10-2009, 08:51 AM
That was probably the most disappointing to me about the game. I mean, Orton is what he is. He's serviceable and fine and well when the team around him plays well.

BUT, Champ is Champ. I was really surprised to see him have a bad night. Like the OP said, don't know if it is actual decline or a bad night or just an extremely good job by the Steelers, but last night was Champ's single worst game as a Bronco that I can remember. Numerous passes completed to his side, which is obviously a departure from what we normally see, and then to add insult to injury, Ward had that hurdle for the TD. Champ is normally such a good tackler!

I think/hope that it was just an off night for Champ and that it's not a sign of actual decline. He's played so well otherwise this year that it's hard to use one night to throw 7 other good ones out.

Beantown Bronco
11-10-2009, 08:52 AM
He certainly didn't do himself any favors with the ProBowl voters last night.

Mountain Bronco
11-10-2009, 08:53 AM
They completed a couple balls on him big fuggin deal.

Holmes was 6 for 6 against Champ. It was more than a couple balls. Champ got beat all over the field. You can't ignore that. He simply played horrid last night.

CEH
11-10-2009, 09:04 AM
You beat CHamp you beat our D atleast for '09. Pitts basically took Haggan, A Davis and Doom off the field for 1st and 2nd down with their 3 and 4 WR sets.Not every team can do that but all the playoff teams can.

Hopefully Nolan will have an answer but Brady, Manning and Big Ben look like they can beat our D. Our O is non competive right now.

Does not bode well for post season

Peoples Champ
11-10-2009, 09:29 AM
You beat CHamp you beat our D atleast for '09. Pitts basically took Haggan, A Davis and Doom off the field for 1st and 2nd down with their 3 and 4 WR sets.Not every team can do that but all the playoff teams can.

Hopefully Nolan will have an answer but Brady, Manning and Big Ben look like they can beat our D. Our O is non competive right now.

Does not bode well for post season


Ya, I will be happy to be in the post season though, we havent seen a playoff team in 3 years.

lex
11-10-2009, 09:54 AM
Champ was beaten every which way. On the first drive of the second half, they exploited his cushion by completing a skinny post (I think it was on 3rd down). Then on the subsequent drive they beat him over the top and every other way. It was an embarrassing display for someone who makes that much money.

loborugger
11-10-2009, 11:08 AM
I think its obvious to everyone we released the wrong cb on Friday :nono:

LOL

This needs a bump.

NFLBRONCO
11-10-2009, 11:14 AM
How many years has Champ played with Nolan as DC total 2 years 1 here 1 in Wash?

Denver has some huge decisions in 2010

toad
11-10-2009, 11:14 AM
Probably the worst game I've seen Champ play as a Bronco....Holmes, I believe, caught every targeted throw while Champ was covering him.

BroncoBen
11-10-2009, 11:17 AM
I heard from someone that was at the game and they thought Champ was playing hurt. That the trainers keep trying to look at him when he was on the sidelines and he kept waving them off.

Taco John
11-10-2009, 11:20 AM
Every year I hear about how Champ has lost a step, and every year he's still one of the best cornerbacks in the league (if not THE best).

24champ
11-10-2009, 11:23 AM
Big Ben had all night to throw on most plays and CB's are on an island. You give a QB a lot of time to throw, most QBs will pick us apart.

Champ's not restructuring. He is going to get paid more, that's where his value is in this league.

NFLBRONCO
11-10-2009, 11:27 AM
Big Ben had all night to throw on most plays and CB's are on an island. You give a QB a lot of time to throw, most QBs will pick us apart.

Champ's not restructuring. He is going to get paid more, that's where his value is in this league.


I agree I just don't see Denver with all our issues paying him more but, I could be wrong.

Cito Pelon
11-10-2009, 11:43 AM
You beat CHamp you beat our D atleast for '09. Pitts basically took Haggan, A Davis and Doom off the field for 1st and 2nd down with their 3 and 4 WR sets.Not every team can do that but all the playoff teams can.

Hopefully Nolan will have an answer but Brady, Manning and Big Ben look like they can beat our D. Our O is non competive right now.

Does not bode well for post season

Good post, but I'll hold my water for the postseason. Anything can happen once you make the postseason.

OBF1
11-10-2009, 11:49 AM
Big Ben had all night to throw on most plays and CB's are on an island. You give a QB a lot of time to throw, most QBs will pick us apart.

Champ's not restructuring. He is going to get paid more, that's where his value is in this league.

You are out of your mind, there is no way he gets paid more next season. The guy is not who he was when given the huge contract years ago.

Meck77
11-10-2009, 11:52 AM
Champ had a rough game. He's human.

He's probably a little pissed off that his ex has squandered his MILLIONS.

http://www.denverpost.com/pennyparker/ci_13735367

During the good days roughly four years ago, Broncos star cornerback Champ Bailey and then-wife Hanady Bailey bought a $3.5 million six-bedroom, 11-bath, 11,000-plus-square-foot mansion in Cherry Hills Farm.

They had two children together — a son who is now a third-grader and a daughter who is a toddler. But about three years ago, the marriage ended in divorce.

According to Chuck Brega, Champ's lawyer, Hanady ended up with a generous financial settlement — the house was free and clear — plus child support. Hanady's lawyer, Steven Cook, declined to comment, and records from the divorce have been sealed in Arapahoe County Court.

Now the house, which is solely in Hanady's name, has hit the financial skids and is in foreclosure with a $1.45 million unpaid mortgage that, according to property records, Hanady took out alone in her own name last December. Also according to Arapahoe County documents, not a single payment has been made on the new mortgage.

continued..........

DHallblows
11-10-2009, 11:56 AM
Honestly, gimme 7 seconds to run around and I can get open on Champ. We had absolutely no pressure in the second half. That's the problem...

Meck77
11-10-2009, 11:58 AM
Honestly, gimme 7 seconds to run around and I can get open on Champ.

Hilarious!

I'd bet the farm on that. I don't think you'd even be able to touch the ball.

Liquid Courage
11-10-2009, 12:06 PM
seems to me that Champ still plays too far off the receiver; trying to get a jump on the QB. if he has lost a half step, then that fraction of a second is the difference between breaking up a pass and have a good pass caught -which seemed to be the case last night.

i'm concerned about how the entire secondary holds up in the 2nd half of the season. thank God we only need to win 4 more games to be serious about the playoffs - 2 wins versus the Chiefs, hold serve versus the Raiders and take care of business in one other game and we should be ok win the division.

every team in the NFL is flawed, ours have shown in the last 2 weeks (uh, i think we can all rest assured that the counter run will be hit hard in practice this week). now is the time to sinch things up and take care of business. this is where McD will earn his paycheck or show his youth.

24champ
11-10-2009, 12:10 PM
You are out of your mind, there is no way he gets paid more next season. The guy is not who he was when given the huge contract years ago.

Doesn't matter if his stats are not what they were a few years ago. 2005 was a NFL Defensive MVP type season.

However, he still does a great job of covering some of the better WRs in this league...like vs the Patriots when covering their WRs. Got that incredible interception. Also did a great job vs Ochocinco in the opener. Did we all forget the Dallas game when he handed us a win with that end of the game pass deflection?

He is very valuable in these areas, especially when another team has a star WR coming in against us.

I realize some people have short term memory on here, but he's done a good job this season. Last night the whole team played like crap, it was a bad game for everyone but in typical Omane fashion most posters on here over exaggerate everything.

DHallblows
11-10-2009, 12:13 PM
Hilarious!

I'd bet the farm on that. I don't think you'd even be able to touch the ball.

Hilarious!

I'd bet all my money on that! I don't think you even own a farm, how could you bet one?!


See? I can make retarded replys ignoring the entire point of the actual post, too!!! Ha!

Beantown Bronco
11-10-2009, 12:25 PM
Champ's not restructuring. He is going to get paid more, that's where his value is in this league.

These two sentences contradict each other. By definition he can't get paid more UNLESS he restructures.

Que
11-10-2009, 12:40 PM
I think its obvious to everyone we released the wrong cb on Friday :nono:

Oh totally. JMFW + Kern + Jay Cutler + Mike Bell = a win last night going away.

Teehee. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Broncos4tw
11-10-2009, 12:47 PM
Every probowl player has at some point (usually repeatedly), had their lunch handed to them. It happens. They also had a very solid gameplan. Champ is fine, I'd rather have him than 98% of the corners in the league. Maybe 100%.

UberBroncoMan
11-10-2009, 12:58 PM
Champ had a rough game. He's human.

He's probably a little pissed off that his ex has squandered his MILLIONS.

http://www.denverpost.com/pennyparker/ci_13735367

During the good days roughly four years ago, Broncos star cornerback Champ Bailey and then-wife Hanady Bailey bought a $3.5 million six-bedroom, 11-bath, 11,000-plus-square-foot mansion in Cherry Hills Farm.

They had two children together a son who is now a third-grader and a daughter who is a toddler. But about three years ago, the marriage ended in divorce.

According to Chuck Brega, Champ's lawyer, Hanady ended up with a generous financial settlement the house was free and clear plus child support. Hanady's lawyer, Steven Cook, declined to comment, and records from the divorce have been sealed in Arapahoe County Court.

Now the house, which is solely in Hanady's name, has hit the financial skids and is in foreclosure with a $1.45 million unpaid mortgage that, according to property records, Hanady took out alone in her own name last December. Also according to Arapahoe County documents, not a single payment has been made on the new mortgage.

continued..........

http://www.blacktie-colorado.com/premiere_parties/pics/newpica9cc42e22f884598c510dcae20d5f998.jpg.jpg

lawl, retarded former model. Pulling her kid out of school and running away? Champ may be able to pick balls but he sure as hell can't pick a good wife thus far.

mhgaffney
11-10-2009, 01:22 PM
It's possible Champ was hurt.

I saw him limping on the field after one play.

Pick Six
11-10-2009, 03:18 PM
Champ looked either winded, hurt or both. He didn't have his best game. Regardless, I'm still glad we have him on our team. :thumbsup:

Cito Pelon
11-10-2009, 03:25 PM
Champ was probably hurt.

NYBronco
11-10-2009, 03:28 PM
Oh totally. JMFW + Kern + Jay Cutler + Mike Bell = a win last night going away.

Teehee. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Add Slowick and the Broncos would have won before the opening kick off.

Boss Man
11-10-2009, 03:55 PM
to tell you the truth i think it is poor physical training. if i remember right in the offseason he said he never really had to train that hard, he just relied mostly on his natural talent, and he came into camp behind the ball. so i think the age factor is cathching up to him in that sense.

however i think if he put more time into the weight room from here on out he should regain a step...

Smiling Assassin27
11-10-2009, 04:09 PM
Wake Up, Champ...Wake Up! Champ...Champ...Champ...No sleep, champ, gotta go home.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:dJ6GpAxagv59nM:http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/081203/Jennifer-Aniston-Cry/the-champ_l.jpg

TDmvp
11-10-2009, 04:31 PM
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1824/thread_sucks.jpg

garandman
11-10-2009, 05:03 PM
Champ is fine, he got beat by some pinpoint passing, I am not sure any CB would have not had the same result in coverage... I remember thinking the D gave up at the end of this game except Champ, he was still giving a great effort.

steeledude
11-10-2009, 05:46 PM
Champ didn't have an amazing game but we're ready to say he's washed out because of last night. Well if one performance is what we're judging him on then I'm choosing his performance against the Cowboys a few weeks ago against Romo.

Gort
11-10-2009, 06:24 PM
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1824/thread_sucks.jpg

actually, it doesn't. 2 interesting things were brought up that warrant more scrutiny.

is he injured and trying to play through? that could be trouble.

was he confused on some of the coverages? if so, it be interesting to know why.

he's not finished. i didn't imply that he was. he was beaten pretty regularly last night. not only was he thrown at... he was thrown at repeatedly. the steelers saw something on film.

rastaman
11-10-2009, 06:28 PM
a) old
b) taking plays off
c) bad game

which was it?

Rothlesburger threw some pretty amazing passes to complete against Bailey on some of his throws.

But hey, Champ.....is 30 something and he isn't what he use to be and yet he's still a top CB in the league.

I hear what you're saying however.