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tsiguy96
11-08-2009, 05:29 PM
who you like? johnson is becoming absolutely ridiculous, on pace for over 1900 yards this year, and he doesnt fumble like AP.

AP has done it for an extra season. both are absolutely capable of taking a game over and winning it by themselves with a ridiculous TD run.

Man-Goblin
11-08-2009, 05:51 PM
Are you asking who is going to win the rushing title? If not, it's a pretty silly question. Especially since Johnson has taken games over to the tune of 1 win for his team this year.

Broncoman13
11-08-2009, 06:55 PM
I'd take AD but Chris Johnson is damn good in his own right. That is why I'm hoping we take CJ Spiller in the draft next year... regardless of what we have in Knowshon.

tsiguy96
11-08-2009, 07:00 PM
i mean which person would you rather have, not who will take rushing title.

Carmelo15
11-08-2009, 07:12 PM
Ap

Br0nc0Buster
11-08-2009, 07:30 PM
Peterson is better and in a class of his own

But after Peterson I consider Johnson to be the next best back or at the very least tied for the next best back

tsiguy96
11-08-2009, 07:41 PM
i realize most people here are gonna pick AP, but realize, chris johnson has a shot at 2k this year...he lost an 81 yard TD today because his heel touched the white line, and is averaging 6.7 ypc after 144 carries, not to mention his receiving threat, which he has 20 receptions on the year with a worse QB and WR than the vikings.

seems like CJ is taking an 80 yard TD to the house every single game, he definitely deserves consideration especially if he keeps this up all year.

DivineBronco
11-08-2009, 07:50 PM
Chris Johnson has always struck me as a total thug AP is a standup guy that would make ya happy to root for

KS Bronco
11-08-2009, 07:52 PM
his initials are AP, but his nickname is AD
i'd take "ALL DAY" any day over johnson

tsiguy96
11-08-2009, 08:06 PM
Chris Johnson has always struck me as a total thug AP is a standup guy that would make ya happy to root for

kind of agree, AP seems like a genuinely good person, just talking about on the field. i think most people would take AP just sayin, CJ should beginning to enter the conversation after this year and last year.

OBF1
11-08-2009, 08:57 PM
Are you serious? Ap will not win the rushing title, Fav-re and his coach are both in love with himself and do not give Adrian nearly enough touches. I am telling you now, unless they start giving the ball to AP more often that team will lose because of Fav-re early in the playoff. A talent like Peterson should be getting 20-25 touches a game.

tsiguy96
11-08-2009, 09:04 PM
Are you serious? Ap will not win the rushing title, Fav-re and his coach are both in love with himself and do not give Adrian nearly enough touches. I am telling you now, unless they start giving the ball to AP more often that team will lose because of Fav-re early in the playoff. A talent like Peterson should be getting 20-25 touches a game.

who said anything about rushing title? im talking about as a player for your team.

Man-Goblin
11-08-2009, 09:11 PM
who said anything about rushing title? im talking about as a player for your team.

Exactly. Who care about the rushing title. Chris Johnson may well win it.

But would you really trade him for Peterson. Really. I mean really. You have to think more than 1 second about this.

tsiguy96
11-08-2009, 09:18 PM
Exactly. Who care about the rushing title. Chris Johnson may well win it.

But would you really trade him for Peterson. Really. I mean really. You have to think more than 1 second about this.

what the hell are you talking about? im not talking about trading him for peterson either. im talking about picking a player for your team, and chris johnson is going absolutely nuts AGAIN this year. im not taking anything away from AP which you happen to think i am, im saying chris johnson and AP are at the top of the list.

Bronco LB52
11-08-2009, 09:31 PM
his initials are AP, but his nickname is AD
i'd take "ALL DAY" any day over johnson

This thread is not even worth commenting on because the thread starter can't even get his nickname right.

tsiguy96
11-08-2009, 09:34 PM
This thread is not even worth commenting on because the thread starter can't even get his nickname right.

correct me if im wrong, where did i ever attempt to use Adrian Petersons nickname?

Bronco LB52
11-08-2009, 09:38 PM
correct me if im wrong, where did i ever attempt to use Adrian Petersons nickname?

He's not AP and will never be AP. He's All Day.

tsiguy96
11-08-2009, 09:38 PM
He's not AP and will never be AP. He's All Day.

except his actual initials are AP.

Bronco LB52
11-08-2009, 09:41 PM
except his actual initials are AP.

Adrian Peterson has told the media that he should not referred to as "AP", only as "All Day" or "AD".

Bronco LB52
11-08-2009, 09:46 PM
except his actual initials are AP.

No, he's not AP, he's ALP. Those are his initials.

Stop being a n00b and give him his proper respect.

Intialized nicknames are lazy and lame. All Day is so much better because it was given to him during his high school days.

tsiguy96
11-08-2009, 09:49 PM
No, he's not AP, he's ALP. Those are his initials.

Stop being a n00b and give him his proper respect.

Intialized nicknames are lazy and lame. All Day is so much better because it was given to him during his high school days.

thats wonderful, im slightly confused how its disrespectful to not call a person "all day". also wondering what any of this has to do comparing his ability to the other elite young RB in the NFL?

BroncoMan4ever
11-08-2009, 10:44 PM
Are you serious? Ap will not win the rushing title, Fav-re and his coach are both in love with himself and do not give Adrian nearly enough touches. I am telling you now, unless they start giving the ball to AP more often that team will lose because of Fav-re early in the playoff. A talent like Peterson should be getting 20-25 touches a game.

in the regular season i would not give Peterson more than 20 carries a game, but as soon as the playoffs began, i would let him tote the rock all day long. keep him fresh for the playoffs.

BroncoMan4ever
11-08-2009, 10:49 PM
i realize most people here are gonna pick AP, but realize, chris johnson has a shot at 2k this year...he lost an 81 yard TD today because his heel touched the white line, and is averaging 6.7 ypc after 144 carries, not to mention his receiving threat, which he has 20 receptions on the year with a worse QB and WR than the vikings.

seems like CJ is taking an 80 yard TD to the house every single game, he definitely deserves consideration especially if he keeps this up all year.

i would take Peterson over Johnson any day regardless of rushing title this season.

Johnson is the definition of a home run threat, he breaks a lot of runs, but he isn't a guy who is going to pound a defense 25 times a game for 4-6 yards a carry. he is going to rush for 2-3 yards at a time, and then break a long run to up his average.

Peterson can easily pound a defense repeatedly all game long for good hard yards at a 4-6 ypc average, and still has the home run threat to break a long run at any time.

lazarus4444
11-08-2009, 11:44 PM
I would take Chris Johnson if i were starting an NFL team. Why? I love AD but he runs very hard and will have a shorter career than CJ.

UberBroncoMan
11-08-2009, 11:53 PM
http://www.nfl.com/players/chrisjohnson/profile?id=JOH127799

Insane stats are insane.

Oh and only 1 fumble this year 2 in his career.

I'll agree I think the guy is a thug though.

BroncoMan4ever
11-09-2009, 12:36 AM
I would take Chris Johnson if i were starting an NFL team. Why? I love AD but he runs very hard and will have a shorter career than CJ.

i think it is foolish to look at a RB as what he will do in 5 years, i prefer what will he do now.

Fisher in Tennessee before he drafted LenDale White told him straight out, he would be looking for his eventual replacement in 4-5 years.

With RBs, i know this is going to sound heartless, but once their rookie contract is up, you should find a new one, unless he has once in a generation talent, then give him a new deal for a few more seasons.

sure Johnson may be productive for a longer period of time, but for now and the near future, Peterson is the best in the game. he is the type of talent that only comes around maybe once a decade, there is a Chris Johnson in almost every draft

tsiguy96
11-09-2009, 03:35 AM
i think it is foolish to look at a RB as what he will do in 5 years, i prefer what will he do now.

Fisher in Tennessee before he drafted LenDale White told him straight out, he would be looking for his eventual replacement in 4-5 years.

With RBs, i know this is going to sound heartless, but once their rookie contract is up, you should find a new one, unless he has once in a generation talent, then give him a new deal for a few more seasons.

sure Johnson may be productive for a longer period of time, but for now and the near future, Peterson is the best in the game. he is the type of talent that only comes around maybe once a decade, there is a Chris Johnson in almost every draft

what you think cj IS doing now?

cousinal11
11-09-2009, 05:11 AM
http://www.nfl.com/players/chrisjohnson/profile?id=JOH127799

Insane stats are insane.

Oh and only 1 fumble this year 2 in his career.

I'll agree I think the guy is a thug though.


Johnson is not a thug, he's just...how do I say this...not very smart.

UberBroncoMan
11-09-2009, 06:08 AM
Johnson is not a thug, he's just...how do I say this...not very smart.

Coincidentally thugs and smarts don't go together. :~ohyah!:

HAT
11-11-2009, 11:46 AM
tsi gets the jump on CHFF.
http://coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2957_Move_over%2C_AP%2C_make_room_for_Chris_Joh nson.html

Move over, AP, make room for Chris Johnson
Cold, Hard Football Facts for November 10, 2009

Adrian Peterson is widely considered the best running back in the league.

The Cold, Hard Football Facts say he’s not.

They say that it’s time for AP to step aside and make room atop the RB totem pole for Tennessee superman Chris Johnson.

The big news is not that Johnson leads the NFL in rushing yards (959), or that he’s more than 100 yards ahead of the No. 2 guy in the list (Cedric Benson, 837); or that he’s 175 yards ahead of Peterson (784).

The big news is that Tennessee’s second-year man averages a mind-boggling 6.66 yards every time he carries the ball this year. He’s cranked out his 959 yards on just 144 attempts. Peterson, for his part, averages a solid 4.81 YPA (163 for 784).

If Johnson’s average per attempt seems unusually high, it should. Dan Towler was the last running back in NFL history who ran the ball at least 100 times in a season and averaged more than Johnson’s 6.66 YPA. Towler rushed 126 times for 854 yards (6.78 YPA) for the 1951 NFL champion L.A. Rams.

Even the great Jim Brown, the best running back in history, never quite matched 6.66 YPA. In Brown’s most prolific year, 1963, he carried the ball 291 times for 1,863 yards (6.40 YPA).

Recent run of success
Johnson has been absolutely scorching over the last three games, the brightest spot for a team that began 0-6 before he led them to consecutive victories.

He rushed 25 times for 135 yards (5.4 YPA) and 2 TD in Tennessee ’s 34-27 win over San Francisco this week.

He rushed 24 times for 228 yards (9.5 YPA) and 2 TD in Tennessee ’s 30-13 win over Jacksonville last week, the club’s first victory of the year.

Even in Tennessee’s 59-0 loss to the Patriots, the biggest defeat any team has suffered in 33 years, Johnson was on a different planet than the rest of his mates: he rushed 17 times or 128 yards (7.5 YPA) on a snow-covered field in Foxboro.

The big play specialist
Throughout history, the average ball carrier averages 4.0 YPA. The average team averages 4.0 YPA. Only the occasional big play separates the average guys from the prolific guys such as Barry Sanders or, today, such as Johnson or Peterson.

And no ball carrier right now produces big, explosive plays like CJ:

Twelve of Johnson’s 144 attempts (1 in 12) have gone for 20-plus yards; Peterson is second, with eight runs of 20-plus.

Six of Johnson’s 144 attempts (1 in 24) have gone for 40-plus yards; Frank Gore and Maurice Jones-Drew are second, with three runs each of 40-plus.

Two of Johnson’s 144 attempts have gone longer than 80 yards: a 91-yard TD scamper against the Texans and a 89-yard TD run against the Jaguars. They’re the two longest runs of the year. Gore and Jones-Drew each boast 80-yard TD runs.

An explosive early career
The pigskin public, not to mention the Cold, Hard Football Facts, should have focused a little more attention on Johnson after his great rookie season of 2008.

Johnson quietly ran 251 times for 1,228 yards (4.89 YPA). But his output was more or less lost in the noise over Tennessee ’s 13-3 season, the revival of Kerry Collins and the performance of the Titans defense.

But halfway through his second year, Johnson has a very early track record that rivals or exceeds that of any player at his position in decades.

In fact, here’s how Johnson stacks up against the explosive Peterson halfway through their respective second seasons (2008 for AP).

* Johnson: 395 attempts, 2,187 yards, 5.54 YPA, 15 TD
* Peterson: 414 attempts, 2,164 yards, 5.23 YPA, 18 TD

Johnson has not carried the ball as often, but he has produced more yards and a greater average per attempt. He's also used more as a pass catcher. He’s already caught 64 passes for 422 yards and 2 TD in his career. Peterson, with an extra season under his belt, has caught 59 passes for 1 TD, though he has been more prolific, with 582 yards receiving.

Cold, Hard Football Facts overcome hype
Both Peterson and Johnson were first-round picks – Peterson No. 7 overall in 2007, Johnson No. 24 overall in 2008. So NFL talent evaluators believed seriously that both could play at a high level in the pros.

But Peterson enjoyed the fortune of entering the NFL with far more acclaim: he was a Heisman candidate at football-factory Oklahoma. Johnson, for his part, toiled away with a fraction of the acclaim at unheralded East Carolina.

The pigskin “pundits” were ready to anoint AP the best back in the league as soon as he appeared to live up to the hype (which he has). But Johnson did not enjoy the same kind of hype of football-factory studs like Peterson. And it always takes "pundits" time to catch up with reality when they don't have the compass called hype to guide them.

But if Johnson had entered the league with the same kind of name recognition, there’d be no doubt today that he, not Peterson, is pro football's best, most dangerous and most exciting ball carrier.

oubronco
11-11-2009, 11:49 AM
AD hands down

PRBronco
11-11-2009, 11:53 AM
Adrian Peterson 100 times out of 100. And his nickname is AD. AP is the associated press. I don't understand how so many people still get it wrong.

jhns
11-11-2009, 12:08 PM
AD is a special player with no equal in the NFL, as of now. These two don't even compare. How many games has Johnson taken over and won almost all by himself? I can name a few that AD has.

Also, a worse QB and worse recievers always equals more catches for a RB. I'm not sure what you are trying to say with that.

BroncoMan4ever
11-11-2009, 12:33 PM
what you think cj IS doing now?

not saying the guy isn't good. But right now AD is in a league all by himself. at 50% AD is still better than almost every back in the league. he is that good.

Johnson is good, but his entire game relies on the home run threat. and good for him, but home run speed doesn't last long in the NFL. in 2-3 years he is going to have just average NFL speed and he won't be seen as elite anymore.
Barring injury, Peterson will still be elite. not only does he have the home run speed, but he also has power, vision, agility. he has everything a RB needs to be successful.

there is no question who the better back is, and who every franchise in the league would want to built their offenses around.

also Peterson seems more intelligent and is a guy you want to cheer for, CJ just seems like an ignorant thug.

gyldenlove
11-11-2009, 01:09 PM
Right now, Chris Johnson.

Peterson is a fumble machine and wears down in the second half of the season.

If I had to give one of them a 6 year contract however I would take Peterson, he is a more complete back and with his size is not as likely to suffer major injuries as Johnson is.

Peoples Champ
11-11-2009, 01:16 PM
Ap

ap

Beantown Bronco
11-11-2009, 01:21 PM
Peterson wears down in the second half of the season.

Wait, what? Here are his numbers for the last 5 weeks of last season:

121 carries
580 yards
4.8 yds/carry

Considering he's only been playing for 2 years, you must be drawing a conclusion off of just his 2007 rookie season (when he was banged up) and completely ignoring 2008. That would be a mistake.

gyldenlove
11-11-2009, 01:55 PM
Wait, what? Here are his numbers for the last 5 weeks of last season:

121 carries
580 yards
4.8 yds/carry

Considering he's only been playing for 2 years, you must be drawing a conclusion off of just his 2007 rookie season (when he was banged up) and completely ignoring 2008. That would be a mistake.

It wasn't as bad last year as in his rookie year, but he had 5.0+ Y/Touch in 4 of his first 8 games (5 of the first 9) and only once in the last 7. His TD numbers were down a bit after the first 8 games and his fumbles went way up.

I still think he needs to show that he can play a full 16 games without slowing down.

Beantown Bronco
11-11-2009, 02:09 PM
It wasn't as bad last year as in his rookie year, but he had 5.0+ Y/Touch in 4 of his first 8 games (5 of the first 9) and only once in the last 7.

He had a 4.8 yard per carry average for the year.....same as the last 5 games I pointed out above. By definition, that's not "slowing down", it's maintaining the exact same average.

And he averaged 116 yds per game over the last 5 games of last season while averaging 107 over the first 11 games. Again, how is that "slowing down"? Actually, it's the opposite.

TDs and fumbles on the other hand have little to nothing to do with slowing down.

SoonerBronco
11-11-2009, 02:27 PM
Its AD for ALL DAY

It has been his nickname since he was about 7 years old. His dad gave it to him because the "boy ran all day long."

Tombstone RJ
11-11-2009, 02:45 PM
Johnson's numbers are better and he's playing on a bad team, that tells me something right there. The passing game for the Titans is pretty bad so I wouldn't be suprised if opposing teams game plan around shutting down Johnson and forcing the Titans to pass in order to win (especially if VY is playing). Johnson is still producing.

AD has a great oline, a HOF QB and decent passing attack to help his game. You can't say that about Johnson.

Too bad Johnson is on such a bad team. He's kinda getting Floyd Littled.

Bronco LB52
11-11-2009, 02:53 PM
AD has a great oline, a HOF QB and decent passing attack to help his game. You can't say that about Johnson.

You're absolutely right about AD having the benefit of both a HOF quarterback and passing game, but lets not forget Chris Johnson plays behind one hell of an offensive line, too. Michael Roos and Kevin Mawae are both All-Pros, while David Stewart a top 10-12 offensive tackle as well.

Beantown Bronco
11-11-2009, 04:37 PM
AD has a great oline, a HOF QB and decent passing attack to help his game.

Not true until this season. Last two seasons, the Vikings passing offense was worse than Tennessee's by a wide margin.

The passing game for the Titans is pretty bad so I wouldn't be suprised if opposing teams game plan around shutting down Johnson and forcing the Titans to pass in order to win (especially if VY is playing). Johnson is still producing.


Two words: Tavaris Jackson.

rbackfactory80
11-11-2009, 05:37 PM
Ask any defense who they would rather play against.

tsiguy96
11-11-2009, 06:29 PM
comparing their surrounding cast is silly, they both have or have played with good and ****ty surrounding casts. as of right now, chris johnson is running and receiving the ball better than peterson. maybe (likely?) over the long term that will be different, but chris johnson is playing all world football right now.

TonyR
11-11-2009, 06:33 PM
Not true until this season.

True, but Johnson is outperforming Peterson this season with an inferior team around him.

TonyR
11-11-2009, 06:37 PM
...as of right now, chris johnson is running and receiving the ball better than peterson.

Yep, and as the article someone posted above alludes to it's all about perception and reputation. People are sheep and see only the picture the media paints, or at least see things through the media lens. Peterson is a great player and gets the media adulation and has been crowned king. Everyone falls in line despite the stats and circumstances which suggest that Johnson may be as good, or better, right now.

Beantown Bronco
11-12-2009, 06:35 AM
True, but Johnson is outperforming Peterson this season with an inferior team around him.

This is not entirely true. Here's where context has to come into play.

Peterson has faced FIVE top 10 run defenses so far this season.

Johnson? Only two.

cartel
11-12-2009, 07:05 AM
both are great, just depends on the running style you prefer, power or speed. i like both but since i'm from ecu, i go with cj.

Tombstone RJ
11-12-2009, 08:02 AM
Not true until this season. Last two seasons, the Vikings passing offense was worse than Tennessee's by a wide margin.



Two words: Tavaris Jackson.

We're not talking about last year dude, we are talking about this year.

Beantown Bronco
11-12-2009, 08:12 AM
We're not talking about last year dude, we are talking about this year.

I was responding to a very specific statement about one guy performing with a subpar offense around him and the other supposedly not. Pointing out last year's stats for Peterson is the only way to debunk this.

tsiguy96
11-12-2009, 02:55 PM
I was responding to a very specific statement about one guy performing with a subpar offense around him and the other supposedly not. Pointing out last year's stats for Peterson is the only way to debunk this.

cj is on the way to beating petersons stats last year.

epicSocialism4tw
11-12-2009, 05:12 PM
who you like? johnson is becoming absolutely ridiculous, on pace for over 1900 yards this year, and he doesnt fumble like AP.

AP has done it for an extra season. both are absolutely capable of taking a game over and winning it by themselves with a ridiculous TD run.

Its not "A.P." This isnt an anacronym for his name, its an anacronym for "All Day"...which is what his teammates called him as a nickname.

tsiguy96
11-12-2009, 05:21 PM
Its not "A.P." This isnt an anacronym for his name, its an anacronym for "All Day"...which is what his teammates called him as a nickname.

would some of you retards try contributing to the conversation instead of 13 people telling me his ****ing nickname is AD? I DONT ****ING CARE. he is not and will never be a bronco, his nickname doesnt mean anything to me.

epicSocialism4tw
11-12-2009, 05:27 PM
would some of you retards try contributing to the conversation instead of 13 people telling me his ****ing nickname is AD? I DONT ****ING CARE. he is not and will never be a bronco, his nickname doesnt mean anything to me.

If you got it right in the first place, then you wouldnt have to worry about people correcting you.

Maybe you'll get it right next time and you wont have to worry about other people setting it straight. :wave:

tsiguy96
11-12-2009, 05:35 PM
If you got it right in the first place, then you wouldnt have to worry about people correcting you.

Maybe you'll get it right next time and you wont have to worry about other people setting it straight. :wave:

i honestly dont see how any of this applies to him being the 2nd best RB in the league right now, or to the discussion of who people would rather have.

epicSocialism4tw
11-12-2009, 05:48 PM
i honestly dont see how any of this applies to him being the 2nd best RB in the league right now, or to the discussion of who people would rather have.

Well, its kind of like this...

If your name was Tim and I kept calling you Jim, it would make me look like 1) a complete jerk or 2) a clueless gimp (neither being mutually exclusive in this case).

So, when you keep referring to the guy by the wrong moniker, people try to correct you so that you wont keep calling him the wrong name.

Simple, really.

tsiguy96
11-16-2009, 06:25 AM
Well, its kind of like this...

If your name was Tim and I kept calling you Jim, it would make me look like 1) a complete jerk or 2) a clueless gimp (neither being mutually exclusive in this case).

So, when you keep referring to the guy by the wrong moniker, people try to correct you so that you wont keep calling him the wrong name.

Simple, really.

except that doesnt mean anything when referring to a nickname vs initials of his real name. get it?

anyways

chris johnson is on pace to break the all time yardage record, held by marshall faulk at ~2460

hes on pace for over 2600

TonyR
11-16-2009, 06:43 AM
26-132-2 rushing and 9-100 receiving yesterday. Arguably the best non-QB O player in the league right now.

SoonerBronco
11-16-2009, 07:36 AM
except that doesnt mean anything when referring to a nickname vs initials of his real name. get it?

anyways

chris johnson is on pace to break the all time yardage record, held by marshall faulk at ~2460

hes on pace for over 2600


Sure thing itsgal94

bronco militia
11-16-2009, 07:44 AM
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Rocket 7
12-28-2009, 09:11 PM
Peterson can't be trusted in a close game.

Finger Roll
12-28-2009, 09:12 PM
Yeah, Peterson is a fumble waiting to happen. So it in the Steelers game as well

Boltjolt
12-28-2009, 09:32 PM
I would take Chris Johnson if i were starting an NFL team. Why? I love AD but he runs very hard and will have a shorter career than CJ.

Not at the pace Johnson is at being only 200 lbs. RB's that have had seasons like his burn out sooner than later.

Doggcow
12-29-2009, 12:05 AM
I'll take ADP since he just won me the Omane fantasy football Championship :)

BabyTO
12-29-2009, 01:28 AM
if you run a franchise and youre looking for a new RB it'd be easily peterson. johnson is all hype, without that offensive line to give him those huge holes hed average like 2 yards per carry and become useless. if you do have a great o-line then hes gonna produce. like every other back. you put peterson behind that oline and hed already have 2500 yards. honestly, look at all the bigruns by johnson. first contact comes after 10 yards because the oline blocks everybody. even over the middle, its like the guy is going for a walk in the park.

The MVPlaya
12-29-2009, 05:04 AM
Chris Johnson, anyone picking AP is a fool. AP runs INTO tackles, looking to run people over. CJ is faster than AP and can be physical. CJ doesn't put himself in position to get popped like AP neither.

I already know omane is a bunch of idiots be seeing these people picking AP.

AP can't play on 3rd down because he can't catch or block.

Go ahead and argue about running all you want, but it's clear cut who is a better receiver and pass blocker.

At the end of the day, CJ is a better ALL AROUND back...PERIOD. Give me CJ 100 days out of 100 days. Give me a back who can block...and most importantly HOLD ONTO THE BALL + being the fastest player in the league.

His oline OBVIOUSLY gets a bunch of credit, that will be relevant regardless of who is at RB... at 5.8 YPC how can you even try to act as if CJ does not get credit? Not to mention the fact that this number has been at 6+ a good portion of this season. Johnson was getting it DONE when they were losing and teams KNEW they would be running the ball, and he was avging over 6 YPC while at it.

AP cost them the game tonight. Not too long ago Vikings were considered to have the best (run) oline in the league... but now people want to credit CJ to only his oline? LOL

I've been saying CJ is better than AP this whole season...

Beantown Bronco
12-29-2009, 06:30 AM
AP can't play on 3rd down because he can't catch or block.

42 receptions for 435 yds this season says otherwise.

SoonerBronco
12-29-2009, 07:05 AM
Chris Johnson, anyone picking AP is a fool. AP runs INTO tackles, looking to run people over. CJ is faster than AP and can be physical. CJ doesn't put himself in position to get popped like AP neither.

I already know omane is a bunch of idiots be seeing these people picking AP.

AP can't play on 3rd down because he can't catch or block.

Go ahead and argue about running all you want, but it's clear cut who is a better receiver and pass blocker.

At the end of the day, CJ is a better ALL AROUND back...PERIOD. Give me CJ 100 days out of 100 days. Give me a back who can block...and most importantly HOLD ONTO THE BALL + being the fastest player in the league.

His oline OBVIOUSLY gets a bunch of credit, that will be relevant regardless of who is at RB... at 5.8 YPC how can you even try to act as if CJ does not get credit? Not to mention the fact that this number has been at 6+ a good portion of this season. Johnson was getting it DONE when they were losing and teams KNEW they would be running the ball, and he was avging over 6 YPC while at it.

AP cost them the game tonight. Not too long ago Vikings were considered to have the best (run) oline in the league... but now people want to credit CJ to only his oline? LOL

I've been saying CJ is better than AP this whole season...

That Vikes oline has had several injuries that have made things a lot tougher for them. This year, CJ is better, but if I had them lined up on a wall and were picking who I wanted on my team, it would be AD, hands down.

The MVPlaya
12-30-2009, 05:16 AM
That Vikes oline has had several injuries that have made things a lot tougher for them. This year, CJ is better, but if I had them lined up on a wall and were picking who I wanted on my team, it would be AD, hands down.

That's cool. Nothing to really back it up though?

CJ is pretty much better than AD in every way but running over people.

If you look at the "other" aspects of being a RB, Johnson is clearly better than AD... most importantly blocking.

People picking AD are just homers, clear as that.

The MVPlaya
12-30-2009, 05:18 AM
42 receptions for 435 yds this season says otherwise.

You want to go check Brett Favre's sacks too to see if AP can block? Hilarious!

That's like me pulling up TO's career stats to rebuttal someone saying that he drops a lot of balls.

With that being said, I know you have no knowledge on this topic.

rmsanger
12-30-2009, 05:56 AM
Wow you guys are basing a decision on 1 season's worth of statistics. I say give it 2 more years and we can make a call. Each team has gone through a huge cycle even within this season:

E.g. Titans losing streak compared to now and Viking starting hot but faltering at the finish.

The impact of Brett Favre and starting Vincy Young have a huge impact on the dynamic at RB. I'd say at this point it's a draw between the two.

Beantown Bronco
12-30-2009, 06:12 AM
You want to go check Brett Favre's sacks too to see if AP can block? Hilarious!

That's like me pulling up TO's career stats to rebuttal someone saying that he drops a lot of balls.

With that being said, I know you have no knowledge on this topic.

What? Lay off the drugs and just admit you were wrong.

You said AP can't catch. I proved this false by pointing out his numbers. I said NOTHING about his blocking, so leave that out of it.

I know you have no knowledge on this topic and are clearly basing your statement about him not being able to catch off of his pre-2009 numbers. And his lack of receptions prior to this year is not because he simply wasn't capable of catching the ball before this season. It's that he wasn't thrown to very much and had terrible quarterbacking prior to this season.

SoonerBronco
12-30-2009, 08:09 AM
That's cool. Nothing to really back it up though?

CJ is pretty much better than AD in every way but running over people.

If you look at the "other" aspects of being a RB, Johnson is clearly better than AD... most importantly blocking.

People picking AD are just homers, clear as that.

But where do you gather that? I know that AD is 6-1 220 and CJ is 5-11 and 200. I also know that the Titans line is better at this point than the Vikings. Which would mean that CJ not having to block near as much as AD. Also, AD splits with Chester Taylor...and that is more than CJ does with Lendale White.
Add the fact that the Titans use CJ as a primary reciever much more than the Vikes use AD and yeah...the few times that CJ has to stay in and block, he is probably more successful than AD becasue he is not having to take on as many.

When AD was here at OU I watched him do plyometirics jumping up on a 4 ft box with an 80 lb dumbell in each hand. The guy has the rare combination of speed (4.4) and power that only comes along every once in a while.

So you ask what I have to back this up and I'll say that AD's body of work, college, pros...is better than CJ's at this point.

Also, AD's attitude and character are far less questionable than CJ's...

You can say I'm a homer on this, but, I can tell you that I haven't said anything here that other's havent already... FWIW

Requiem
12-30-2009, 10:34 AM
Chris Johnson. I told you he was the truth.

azbroncfan
12-30-2009, 04:02 PM
would some of you retards try contributing to the conversation instead of 13 people telling me his ****ing nickname is AD? I DONT ****ING CARE. he is not and will never be a bronco, his nickname doesnt mean anything to me.

Llama gets a little upset when you don't call his love crush the proper self proclaimed nickname. He took AP's penis out of his mouth for a second to get all upset. AP is a fumbling machine.

The MVPlaya
12-30-2009, 04:26 PM
What? Lay off the drugs and just admit you were wrong.

You said AP can't catch. I proved this false by pointing out his numbers. I said NOTHING about his blocking, so leave that out of it.

I know you have no knowledge on this topic and are clearly basing your statement about him not being able to catch off of his pre-2009 numbers. And his lack of receptions prior to this year is not because he simply wasn't capable of catching the ball before this season. It's that he wasn't thrown to very much and had terrible quarterbacking prior to this season.

Are you blind? You're using the same logic as any idiot would. You don't really think that going straight to receptions is exactly one would already know? Hilarious!

Like I said, AP is known to have questionable hands. Go ASK any AP/Vikings fan and they'll tell you the same thing, it's not really debatable. Did you completely miss my statement about TO?

I'm would attempt base his hands off numbers if they had dropped balls as a stat somewhere online.

Again however - this is not about numbers.

I'm not saying AP has rocks for hands, but he is not a great receiver.

I'm not sure how blind some of you people are. This guy CANNOT play 3rd downs because his hands are a question, and he CANNOT BLOCK!

Why would you sit here and tell yourselves AP is better when he can't play on 3rd downs/passing downs. He's not even IN regardless if it is the last play of the game or crucial plays.

The MVPlaya
12-30-2009, 04:28 PM
But where do you gather that? I know that AD is 6-1 220 and CJ is 5-11 and 200. I also know that the Titans line is better at this point than the Vikings. Which would mean that CJ not having to block near as much as AD. Also, AD splits with Chester Taylor...and that is more than CJ does with Lendale White.
Add the fact that the Titans use CJ as a primary reciever much more than the Vikes use AD and yeah...the few times that CJ has to stay in and block, he is probably more successful than AD becasue he is not having to take on as many.

When AD was here at OU I watched him do plyometirics jumping up on a 4 ft box with an 80 lb dumbell in each hand. The guy has the rare combination of speed (4.4) and power that only comes along every once in a while.

So you ask what I have to back this up and I'll say that AD's body of work, college, pros...is better than CJ's at this point.

Also, AD's attitude and character are far less questionable than CJ's...

You can say I'm a homer on this, but, I can tell you that I haven't said anything here that other's havent already... FWIW

Anybody defending AD's blocking in any way is really not worth arguing with. I know this because I have friends that are probably more full of AP than some people on here are with Hillis. I know this because I watch him play. I know this because I also watch CJ play.

You're right, AP has a better body of work through college and pros. That's not what is at stake here. That's like me pulling in LT right now and saying he's better than both. That's not what we're talking about.

What weaknesses does CJ have that is anywhere near problematic as AP's fumbling problems? His fumbles lost have gone UP every season.

Right NOW CJ is a better back.

YES AP has a beastly build. So does Calvin Johnson.

CJ has rare speed that only comes once in a while. I think I heard analysts say he is tied for the most 80+ yard runs in his career (all done in 1 season) with every other back in history. The only person I found with as much is Ahmad Green.

CJ has the fastest clocked 40 at the combine. And this guy doesn't run scared, know this.

But you already admitting that you're a homer. So I guess we reached a point of agreement.

azbroncfan
12-30-2009, 05:07 PM
Also, AD's attitude and character are far less questionable than CJ's...FWIW

Since when has CJ had character issues? Your just a AP homer and this year CJ has been better than AP. No arguing that and AP has had a better career so far but has been less than spectacular this year other than against the Browns.

Requiem
12-30-2009, 08:52 PM
Of course the Oklahoma fans on this board would be slobbering over Adrian Peterson. Don't act surprised. Be that as it may, the proof is in the pudding. Johnson has put up better statistics in two years than Peterson did through his first two, with a lot less turnovers/fumbles. He is unbelievable. The both are. However, I'll take Johnson every day of the week. He does it all and doesn't turn the ball over near as much. I'm not sure how many times Johnson has cost the Titans a game based on poor play or turnovers, but I know at least half a dozen, including the Monday Night game, where Adrian has screwed the Vikings over.

And how does Johnson have a poor attitude or character? Must be missing something others are seeing.

ShutDownPoster
12-30-2009, 08:58 PM
Hmm..how about comparing AD and CJ's character to Portis in his first 2 years? No pink pimp suits..

Requiem
12-30-2009, 09:03 PM
I'm not even sure where people are brining up Johnson's character. I haven't heard anything errant about him ever. I guess doing a Google search and looking at his picture on the NFL website and elsewhere is enough to merit false concerns in some people's minds. Profiling is awesome!