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oubronco
11-04-2009, 06:27 PM
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Broncos' lone loss magnifies weak spots
By Lindsay H. Jones
The Denver Post
Posted: 11/03/2009 01:00:00 AM MST

After the Broncos' first six games, all wins, quarterback Kyle Orton liked to say there was no better time to take a hard look at the game film than after a victory.

Perhaps the Broncos from coaches to players hadn't been critical enough.

The Broncos' 30-7 loss Sunday at Baltimore revealed offensive flaws (and defensive too) that were easily overlooked during their 6-0 start.

"Losing a game really makes the mistakes that much more glaring, and the need to fix things more urgent," Denver coach Josh McDaniels said Monday. "It will be easy for us to see what we didn't do well."

Consider:

The Broncos couldn't run the ball effectively: Running backs Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter combined for only 55 yards on 18 carries.

The Broncos couldn't throw downfield: The longest pass play was 23 yards, and that came in the final minute.

They struggled to throw short: Orton threw two screen passes that resulted in negative yardage, and he averaged only 4.1 yards per pass.

Denver's offensive ranking fell to the middle of the NFL pack this week, from total yards per game (344.6, 14th) to rushing yards per game (123.1, 11th) to passing yards per game (221.4, 15th). Not exactly the production anyone envisioned for a unit with a strong offensive line, a solid group of receivers, productive tight ends and a No. 1 draft pick at running back.

"No excuses," receiver Eddie Royal said. "We've just got to come out and play better. We know that."

That process began Monday, when players and coaches returned to Dove Valley for film study, meetings and conditioning work. The team will have its first practice in preparation for Monday night's home game against defending Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh on Wednesday.

"We are certainly going to have to improve on what we didn't do well yesterday or else it is going to continue to repeat and carry over to the next Denver Broncos McDaniels said what happened in Baltimore won't change how he game plans, even with Pittsburgh and its fast, physical defense coming to town. But it does mean a closer examination of what works and what doesn't.

McDaniels' offense is built on short passes, including screens to receivers, running backs and tight ends, and on crossing and slant routes that allow receivers to find space in the middle of the field.

If those elements are working along with decent production from the running game Orton will occasionally take the big shot downfield. When the staples of the offense sputtered through Sunday's game, the Broncos failed to find a way to improvise and adjust against a stingy and energized Ravens defense.

"Certainly, the quarterback is not absolved from any responsibility offensively. He could have played better, but everybody I would feel the same about," McDaniels said. "It wasn't like we had 20 guys on offense or 20 guys on defense play really well and a couple of guys ruined it for us."

Expect that overall philosophy to remain the same. Coaches and players said Monday it was the execution, not the plan, that failed Sunday.

"We've all got to look at ourselves and see what we can do to make ourselves better so we can make the team better," receiver Jabar Gaffney said.

Said McDaniels: "I have game planned a lot of years against a lot of good defenses. We need to have a good plan each week. That certainly gives your team the best chance to win. Then we need to get our players to execute that plan, against whatever defense we are playing, better."

Lindsay H. Jones: 303-954-1262 or ljones@denverpost.com

gyldenlove
11-04-2009, 06:36 PM
I still suspect last weeks game was more a result of scheming than anything else. For the first time this year Mcdaniels didn't put together an offensive plan that took advantage of weaknesses in the opponent.

Mcdaniels is a winner and I think the bucket of cold water he got at Baltimore served as a call to arms, I expect him to come out gunning this week.

Bronx33
11-04-2009, 06:51 PM
Well MCD has 2 loses to study from the steelers.

Bronco Warrior
11-04-2009, 06:53 PM
There are some things that kinda worry me about what McD said here. "We just need to execute better? The scheme was flawed against Baltimore, and Gameplanning to take advantage against the RAtbirds, means play action (That is sold with believable fakes) to freeze Reed, and med to deep passes against the weak CBs on the outside. We don't have a QB that can do that starting for us! Also they know Orton can't boot or throw deep, and the "Philisophy" isn't big on them, so I don't see the gameplan getting any better against the really stout Defensive teams!

snowspot66
11-04-2009, 07:04 PM
There are some things that kinda worry me about what McD said here. "We just need to execute better? The scheme was flawed against Baltimore, and Gameplanning to take advantage against the RAtbirds, means play action (That is sold with believable fakes) to freeze Reed, and med to deep passes against the weak CBs on the outside. We don't have a QB that can do that starting for us! Also they know Orton can't boot or throw deep, and the "Philisophy" isn't big on them, so I don't see the gameplan getting any better against the really stout Defensive teams!

Once again.

We didn't block well. That's a failure of execution.

watermock
11-04-2009, 07:19 PM
Offensively and ST, Denver was overwhelmed.

Our punter sucks and Baltimore dominated our o-line.

First game this year we wern't compeditive. We miss the downfield strike.

Bronco Warrior
11-04-2009, 07:23 PM
Once again.

We didn't block well. That's a failure of execution.

When a line is getting man handled on a given day, is it easier to magically get stronger and play better? Or should you do what the rest of the football world and go to a movable pocket scheme? Orton can't do that that's why i give him so much crap for the loss. Orton can't scramble/boot/roll out and he can't throw medium hot routes or the deep ball. Schem all you want but those are the tried and true counters and we don't have a QB starting that can EXECUTE THEM!!!

Bronco Warrior
11-04-2009, 07:24 PM
And yes out punter sucks!!!

Bronx33
11-04-2009, 07:30 PM
When a line is getting man handled on a given day, is it easier to magically get stronger and play better? Or should you do what the rest of the football world and go to a movable pocket scheme? Orton can't do that that's why i give him so much crap for the loss. Orton can't scramble/boot/roll out and he can't throw medium hot routes or the deep ball. Schem all you want but those are the tried and true counters and we don't have a QB starting that can EXECUTE THEM!!!


Yes and we don't play the ravens this week and the rest of your post is drivel.

snowspot66
11-04-2009, 07:33 PM
When a line is getting man handled on a given day, is it easier to magically get stronger and play better? Or should you do what the rest of the football world and go to a movable pocket scheme? Orton can't do that that's why i give him so much crap for the loss. Orton can't scramble/boot/roll out and he can't throw medium hot routes or the deep ball. Schem all you want but those are the tried and true counters and we don't have a QB starting that can EXECUTE THEM!!!

When a line has just played it's worst game in the past two years does it make sense to completely change what you do or just write that one up as a lack of effort and execution that was simply an aberration or assume it is what will happen every game from there on out?

You'd best be careful. You'll hurt yourself quite badly from all the whiplash you endure from your knee jerk reactions stemming from lack of even basic football knowledge.

theAPAOps5
11-04-2009, 07:49 PM
Yes and we don't play the ravens this week and the rest of your post is drivel.

All his posts are drivel. This is the guy who criticized Orton for giving blood saying it would effect his game. Dude is complete white trash.

bronco militia
11-04-2009, 07:53 PM
I still suspect last weeks game was more a result of scheming than anything else. For the first time this year Mcdaniels didn't put together an offensive plan that took advantage of weaknesses in the opponent.

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that's because the ravens blitzed more than they had all year......

OBF1
11-04-2009, 07:57 PM
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epicSocialism4tw
11-04-2009, 08:08 PM
How dare this person say that the Broncos have weak spots!

strafen
11-04-2009, 08:08 PM
There are some things that kinda worry me about what McD said here. "We just need to execute better? The scheme was flawed against Baltimore, and Gameplanning to take advantage against the RAtbirds, means play action (That is sold with believable fakes) to freeze Reed, and med to deep passes against the weak CBs on the outside. We don't have a QB that can do that starting for us! Also they know Orton can't boot or throw deep, and the "Philisophy" isn't big on them, so I don't see the gameplan getting any better against the really stout Defensive teams!

And to make matters worse, there are reports Orton hurt his ankle during the Ravens game
He did receive treatment Monday and Tuesday. You thought the guy was a sloth?
I can't imagine what kind of performance we'll see out of him with a bummed ankle

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Quarterback Kyle Orton may show up on the Broncos' injury report this week because of a twisted left ankle he suffered in Sunday's loss in Baltimore. Orton was hit by Ravens outside linebacker Terrell Suggs in the second quarter and played the rest of the way with the ankle wrapped. Orton received treatment on the ankle Monday and Tuesday

gyldenlove
11-04-2009, 08:10 PM
that's because the ravens blitzed more than they had all year......

That is certainly one of the things, I think we game planned for a more coverage heavy defense than what we got and especially since the Ravens schemed our screens very well we were at a loss.

The other thing they did was leave their safeties very deep on the snap on many plays which took away the deep passes and the deep middle.

watermock
11-04-2009, 08:21 PM
Was that the play that looked late?

snowspot66
11-04-2009, 11:02 PM
And to make matters worse, there are reports Orton hurt his ankle during the Ravens game
He did receive treatment Monday and Tuesday. You thought the guy was a sloth?
I can't imagine what kind of performance we'll see out of him with a bummed ankle

Well, at least we know he's a tough son of a bitch and won't let that stop him. I'll take a dinged ankle over a dislocated finger on my QB.

azbroncfan
11-04-2009, 11:14 PM
I still suspect last weeks game was more a result of scheming than anything else. For the first time this year Mcdaniels didn't put together an offensive plan that took advantage of weaknesses in the opponent.

Mcdaniels is a winner and I think the bucket of cold water he got at Baltimore served as a call to arms, I expect him to come out gunning this week.

Wasn't scheme is was the inability of the players to perform how they needed to for the scheme or gameplan to come together. When you can't run the ball or keep the QB upright it does not matter how great the scheme is.

azbroncfan
11-04-2009, 11:17 PM
All his posts are drivel. This is the guy who criticized Orton for giving blood saying it would effect his game. Dude is complete white trash.

Also the guy who cheered and was happy a worker at the charger stadium fell to his death. Someone lost their grandpa and this guy is happy.

Cito Pelon
11-05-2009, 01:47 AM
Patience, patience, patience. I have to keep telling myself, be patient. This careful, interceptionless offense has won games where a more risky O would not have the team at 6-1, but lord I'd like to see a long pass completed. With 11 games yet to play hopefully patience pays off. Sometimes it takes a while to get the timing perfected, and meanwhile the plodding approach has paid off in wins.

And the plodding O will continue to pay off in wins. The object is to win the AFC West and then you can afford to get a little risky in the playoffs.