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LetsGoBroncos
11-02-2009, 12:56 PM
I was just wondering what everyone thought of our rookie class at this point.

Ayers - Seems like he is getting better and better. I can think of one play yesterday where he held the edge very nicely and made the tackle for no gain all on his own.

Moreno - Obviously has lots of potential and should be a good back for a long time to come.

Smith - Honestly, I'm a little worried about him. He looked better at the very beginning of the season than he has the last couple games to me.

Quinn - I will be honest, I haven't noticed him making good blocks or getting beat so maybe someone else can evaluate this part of his game. However, I think it is fairly safe to say at this point he was not worth a second round pick.

Bruton/Mcbath - look to have good potential to me.

I know rookies are a work in progress, but I was just wanting to know what everyone else thought at this point.

Doggcow
11-02-2009, 12:58 PM
Quinn hasn't been on the field a lot yet because we have great depth at the position... I don't think it's fair to slight him for that.

BMarsh615
11-02-2009, 01:02 PM
Ayers played really well against the Ravens. He is a lot stronger than I thought he would be. I saw him throw a couple Ravens to the side to make some stops at or behind the LOS.

LetsGoBroncos
11-02-2009, 01:12 PM
I agree with you on Quinn. I am so pleased with this team right now, but if there is one area I'm not overly extatic about, it's the development of some of the rookies that were drafted high.

Rother8
11-02-2009, 01:29 PM
Ayers played really well against the Ravens. He is a lot stronger than I thought he would be. I saw him throw a couple Ravens to the side to make some stops at or behind the LOS.

Yup, Ayers is looking more and more comfortable. I actually kind of liked taking a chance on Ayers since he was a one year wonder at Tennessee with the Bears' 1st rd pick

Smiling Assassin27
11-02-2009, 01:33 PM
yeah, alph smith seems a bit behind the curve. granted, cb is probably one of the tougher positions to play at this level, but my only image of him yesterday was skating with a fist full of jersey.

meangene
11-02-2009, 01:47 PM
Smith played really well the first few weeks before getting injured. I'm not sure the ankle is fully healed yet and he is playing through it.

Breaker
11-02-2009, 02:10 PM
yeah, alph smith seems a bit behind the curve. granted, cb is probably one of the tougher positions to play at this level, but my only image of him yesterday was skating with a fist full of jersey.

Problem is that we needed him to be a stud to justify trading a #1 essentially for him. He has not lived up to the billing, too bad we made that deal.

Peoples Champ
11-02-2009, 02:12 PM
i wouldnt worry about Alphonso smith too much. Its rare when a CB has a standout rookie year. A lot of CB is instinct, which takes some time to learn, especially with the pansy way they call PI these days. I will be worried in year 3 if he sucks.

Hercules Rockefeller
11-02-2009, 02:16 PM
Problem is that we needed him to be a stud to justify trading a #1 essentially for him. He has not lived up to the billing, too bad we made that deal.

Not in the first year they didn't. After years of having virtually 0 depth, you guys are expecting way too much out some of these rookies. If Smith wins a starting job in '10 or '11 and stays here for a decade, then it was good trade.

chaz
11-02-2009, 02:17 PM
Problem is that we needed him to be a stud to justify trading a #1 essentially for him. He has not lived up to the billing, too bad we made that deal.

Very few CB's make an immediate impact...you can't expect Champ 2.0 after eight weeks. I think he fits the smart and tough McD mold well, and he has shown no reason why he won't develop well over the next couple years.

AND, our pick isn't looking like it will be in the top 15 like we all though, so the deal isn't looking as bad as most thought.

Hercules Rockefeller
11-02-2009, 02:17 PM
I agree with you on Quinn. I am so pleased with this team right now, but if there is one area I'm not overly extatic about, it's the development of some of the rookies that were drafted high.

Huh?

The first 5 picks are playing and contributing. I realize people don't know what depth looks like on a team because Shanny's teams hadn't had any for a decade, but there's no reason to rush these guys.

bpc
11-02-2009, 02:20 PM
Good point PC, it's hard to evaluate CB's during their first year. Especially nickel CB's who have to man the slot. That's a tough position to play.

Ayers has the ability to be very good in the NFL. Despite a smaller size in terms of height, he shows great pop, strength and explosiveness. He'll become much better when he learns to use other pass rush moves besides just a bull rush and spin. He's coming along nicely though.

Moreno is a mixed back. He has the talent to catch, run and block at the HB position but i'm worried about his ability to stay healthy, relatively slow timed speed, and his upright running style. Along with all that, he isn't the most powerful runner either. It's still early so hopefully he can answer these concerns.

Quinn is a long term project. He was slower than hell at UNC and I don't think he has the ability to be a every down starter in the NFL because of it. He makes Putzier look like Carl Lewis.

Brandstater and McKinley are wildcards. Tough to say what we have with them but they looked impressive during the preseason as it went on.

I'm surprised by how talented the safeties are. Especially Bruton. That guy has brought some much needed speed to our special teams units. Very solid.

PRBronco
11-02-2009, 03:38 PM
Good point PC, it's hard to evaluate CB's during their first year. Especially nickel CB's who have to man the slot. That's a tough position to play.

Ayers has the ability to be very good in the NFL. Despite a smaller size in terms of height, he shows great pop, strength and explosiveness. He'll become much better when he learns to use other pass rush moves besides just a bull rush and spin. He's coming along nicely though.

Moreno is a mixed back. He has the talent to catch, run and block at the HB position but i'm worried about his ability to stay healthy, relatively slow timed speed, and his upright running style. Along with all that, he isn't the most powerful runner either. It's still early so hopefully he can answer these concerns.

Quinn is a long term project. He was slower than hell at UNC and I don't think he has the ability to be a every down starter in the NFL because of it. He makes Putzier look like Carl Lewis.

Brandstater and McKinley are wildcards. Tough to say what we have with them but they looked impressive during the preseason as it went on.

I'm surprised by how talented the safeties are. Especially Bruton. That guy has brought some much needed speed to our special teams units. Very solid.

I definitely like our safeties too. McBath has looked solid every time he filled in for Weapon X. I feel like we could see him bump Hill for playing time before the season is over, but I'm not sure how set they are on him playing one, and only one safety spot. The scouting reports on Bruton (that he is super stiff) look to be accurate, he runs funny. I don't know if he has the agility to ever be a full time starter at safety, but I love the kid on special teams. He's crazy fast, and clearly knows what he's doing out there.

outdoor_miner
11-02-2009, 03:43 PM
I'll probably get flamed for this, but I'm a little concerned with Moreno. I am not calling him a bust or anything, but I haven't seen any "flashes" that make him look like the #12 pick in the draft, especially considering: a) the playing time he has already received and b) the fact that rb's typically can and do produce as rookies. He looks like a real solid player, and a guy who will do a good job. However, he doesn't appear to be a game changer, which is what I would expect. Of course, it is very early and I could very well be wrong. :) Also, being a "solid contributer" isn't necessarily a horrible thing. Better than someone who doesn't contribute at all (like Moss), which can just be a killer. I just expected more from Knowshon, and I wish that we would see a play or two that give us a glimpse into his future.

I'm real happy with Ayers. I suppose he is a beneficiary of lower expectation than Knowshon (since I knew Ayers would take time converting from DE to OLB), but he has made some nice plays, and looks very athletic out there. I'm hopeful he will develop into something special.

As for Smith - I'm not sure how to judge him. I can't figure out if he's the nickel and JMFW is the dime, or vice versa. Smith hasn't been involved much recently, so he's either doing a damn fine job (since he's not being thrown at for the most part), or he's behind JMFW and simply not getting much playing time. I was very impressed with him the first two games, but haven't seen much since the injury.

Bruton seems to be doing exactly what he was brought here for (special teams demon), so I'm pleased with his contributions. McBath hasn't been as noticeable on special teams (to me, at least, which is weird because McBath has way more tackles than Bruton), but I thought he played well against the Chargers.

Everyone else is tough to judge for obvious reasons.

oubronco
11-02-2009, 04:05 PM
I am happy with the way the rooks are playing after all they are rooks

houghtam
11-02-2009, 04:40 PM
I'm a little concerned with Moreno. I am not calling him a bust or anything, but I haven't seen any "flashes" that make him look like the #12 pick in the draft, especially considering: a) the playing time he has already received and b) the fact that rb's typically can and do produce as rookies. He looks like a real solid player, and a guy who will do a good job. However, he doesn't appear to be a game changer, which is what I would expect. Of course, it is very early and I could very well be wrong. :) Also, being a "solid contributer" isn't necessarily a horrible thing. Better than someone who doesn't contribute at all (like Moss), which can just be a killer. I just expected more from Knowshon, and I wish that we would see a play or two that give us a glimpse into his future.

Despite missing much of training camp and most of the preseason:

He leads all rookie rushers in both rush yards and all-purpose yards.

He won Rookie of the Week twice.

He's 8th in the AFC in rushing.

What more could you expect from a rookie, 12th pick or not?

Bronco Warrior
11-02-2009, 05:31 PM
Moreno has been pretty damn good. He does suffer from the tendency to hesitate before hitting the hole, and is somewhat reluctant to smash it up in the second level. That doesn't make sense when you see how tough he can be at other spots in the game. It's a head scratcher. He will be more than alright but he needs tp be more agressive at just hitting it up in there sometimes.

gtown
11-02-2009, 05:50 PM
Moreno has looked good at times, but I agree with a few posters here, he doesn't seem to be that fast nor elusive. I don't ever see him being an elite RB. But I think he will always be a jack of all trades. He runs pretty well, can catch the ball out of the backfield, and has been a good pass blocker as far as I have seen. That will make him valuable in the long run.

Ayers looks like he will be damn good. He just needs to learn some pass rushing skills. He is strong at the point of attack when they run at him and made some great plays setting the edge yesterday against some great Ravens tackles.

It's harder to gauge Smith. Even on an HD TV the view doesn't pan out enough to see what is going on in the secondary consistently. But suffice it to say, he hasn't yet been picked on a la Williams (God rest his soul), Paymah, and Foxworth, which might be a good thing.

Among the other rookies, I really want to see what Olsen can do. I am fine with what Quinn has done so far, because he will eventually replace the expensive Dan Graham.

KipCorrington25
11-02-2009, 07:12 PM
Moreno seems like a Glyn Milburn clone, great in the second or third round but not 12th overall. At that spot you need a franchise back and not a third down specialist. I can't see Moreno being a workhorse he's showing to be fragile and fumble prone so far.

Archer81
11-02-2009, 07:17 PM
8 games in and Smith is a "worry" and Moreno is Glyn Milburn...


:Broncos:

Br0nc0Buster
11-02-2009, 07:21 PM
I thought Sunday was Knowshon's best game
I thought he did a decent job minus the fumble

But overall I would like to see more from him consistently

maybe beefing up the Oline will help him out

gyldenlove
11-02-2009, 08:06 PM
Despite missing much of training camp and most of the preseason:

He leads all rookie rushers in both rush yards and all-purpose yards.

He won Rookie of the Week twice.

He's 8th in the AFC in rushing.

What more could you expect from a rookie, 12th pick or not?

No, he won't even get close to the all purpose yard lead.

He might lead all rookies in scrimmage yards, but since he doesn't return kicks he will be far from the all purpose yard lead. I expect Percy Harvin to win that one handily.

gyldenlove
11-02-2009, 08:14 PM
Moreno has looked good at times, but he isn't as explosive in his runs as he should be and he doesn't always have the conviction in his runs. He looks very good blocking and out of the backfield he has also done well.

Ayers is definitely looking the best of the rookies, he is getting a lot of time, he has been aggressive at the line and is really improving every week.

Al Smith looked good in the first weeks but since then hasn't been on the ball. He has been beaten in coverage and his tackling which was superb in the first weeks has fallen off.

Darcel Mcbath hasn't gotten the playing time he needs to show what he has, but he has looked good when he has been on the field. I think he has a future as a starter, he has good range, looks good against the pass and tackles well.

Dick Quinn has been a disappointment, I haven't been blown away by the few blocks he has made and he never sees the field in passing plays. I am assuming he is being groomed to take over from Graham at some point, but the fact he is not on the field at all does concern me.

Olsen, Mckinley and Brandstater can't be evaluated, they are backups and we knew they would be.

Bruton has looked decent on special teams, but hasn't gotten plays in the defense so we can't say what his role might be.

ZONA
11-02-2009, 08:59 PM
Yes Ayers was a one year wonder but I don't think that's the only reason why he was drafted so high (because he had such a great year and has lots of potential). I knew he had a great motor and seemed to be a good athlete but he really does have impressive strength for a guy his size. He seems much stronger then I thought he was. Maybe that also had something to do with taking a chance on this guy.

outdoor_miner
11-02-2009, 09:00 PM
Despite missing much of training camp and most of the preseason:

He leads all rookie rushers in both rush yards and all-purpose yards.

He won Rookie of the Week twice.

He's 8th in the AFC in rushing.

What more could you expect from a rookie, 12th pick or not?

All good points. :)

Guess I'm just talking from an "eyeball test", which admittedly is not an exact science. He does not look explosive or elusive to me (completely surprising after watching his college highlights). He's more powerful than I thought, though.

I guess I was just expecting a more dynamic player. I know he's a rookie, but guys like Peterson and Chris Johnson were "dynamic" from the beginning. Perhaps those are not realistic expectations, but I thought Moreno would be a game changer. I know that there are other players that took time to grow, and I'm more than willing to give him that chance, as he is certainly not a liability. I guess it's more of an expectation vs reality thing.

To be clear: I've never said he's a bust. I've never said that he may not grow into a better player (which he obviously will). I just haven't been as impressed as I had hoped. We all know how important that is. :thanku: