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epicSocialism4tw
11-01-2009, 11:08 PM
This team needs work.

Especially the passing offense. Right now, the passing game is the weakest aspect of the entire team, narrowly edging out the second and third DB's and the interior defensive line.

giveemlove
11-01-2009, 11:10 PM
Turn out the lights...the parties over.


Seven games, one loss. Baltimore was desperate and played that way. Every team in the NFL needs improvement. Hopefully this is a one game skid and they figure out the kinks quickly.

ZONA
11-01-2009, 11:12 PM
This team needs work.



you may be the only guy here who thinks that....................lol. No duh man. That's your take?

Killericon
11-01-2009, 11:19 PM
This team needs work.

I think that could be said for every team in history. That's why they practice, right?

Broncosfreak_56
11-01-2009, 11:25 PM
I am tired of screens that don't work. It was happening all day. Runningbacks need more touches. Interior line is terrible. Offense needs to take pressure off the D. Special teams is horrendous.

Honestly, I am surprised we are 6-1. Hope we can fix those issues.

broncocalijohn
11-01-2009, 11:26 PM
Nice to see this is the first thread I have read since our first loss (after 7 weeks). Thank you drama for the sky is falling post. I hope everyone knows or remembers that we had a horrible game 10 years ago on MNF against the 49ers. Embarrasing loss with Romo spitting in JJ's face. We then won the next one but lost the one after that. Not such a great way to finish the regular season. Seems everything worked out after that loss. Just chill out and realize that you arent going to win every game and sometimes there are games where nothing was good. This was one of them.

PRBronco
11-01-2009, 11:27 PM
I'm not going to get down after 1 loss, but in the spirit of things that need work, just once I'd like to see a pass play to Eddie Royal that hits him in stride, and doesn't require him diving backwards or sideways.

SonOfLe-loLang
11-01-2009, 11:31 PM
Nooooo wez werez perfectsssss. We dont neeed any work!1!1!

Archer81
11-01-2009, 11:38 PM
Right...we are just so terrible...how did we ever get to 6 wins? 6-1. 1st in the AFC West. Had to travel 2 timezones to play early after a bye week. Common nah.

:Broncos:

broncocalijohn
11-01-2009, 11:43 PM
oh, we sucked big time. Nothing at all was good. It happened in our 7th game. Not too bad in my book. We also stunk to a good team.

HEAV
11-01-2009, 11:48 PM
I'm suprised that Drama Llama's not toss'n one off to his dirk nowitzki poster...

No one said the Broncos are perfect, no team is perfect even an undefeated team. But compared to last years team... I'll take this team anyday!


If we had sigs thsi would be mine this week.
"Anytime you have a game like this, it forces you to look in a mirror," McDaniels said. "Hopefully we can find out just as much about one another ... through the adversity of a loss as you can through six wins."

snowspot66
11-01-2009, 11:53 PM
The defense gave up 13 meaningful points. Ten go to offense and special teams ****ups and 7 go to garbage time when the game was over and guys wanted to get off the field. They can be in and win any game they play. But we need to do something to get **** going in the first half for once. I was really hoping it would be this week but they didn't even bother getting off the plane.

OBF1
11-02-2009, 12:34 AM
I am already looking forward to week 8. Lets go Broncos!

Atwater His Ass
11-02-2009, 12:39 AM
This team has the same problems it's had since week 1. A pedestrian offense and horrible special teams.

I'd cut the O some slack considering Baltimore and their defensive pedigree, but they haven't been able to put together even just one good offensive game all year.

The formula for this team this year is to play very good defense, and hope the offense doesn't make key mistakes and can capitilize two or three times from field position the defense wins for them.

I'm not any more or less excited for this team based on the Ravens game. We still have a very good chance of making the post season and half a season remains to address the deficiencies within the team. Fans with intelligent football minds already knew the weak spots of this team and didn't let the early success blind them to our team weaknesses.

mhgaffney
11-02-2009, 03:34 AM
You don't get to the SB by not losing games.

You get there by flat-out beating opponents. I'd like to see some more of that kind of football.

azbroncfan
11-02-2009, 04:33 AM
This team needs work.

Especially the passing offense. Right now, the passing game is the weakest aspect of the entire team, narrowly edging out the second and third DB's and the interior defensive line.

In other news at least your Mavs are looking pretty good right now so you can root for them.

peacepipe
11-02-2009, 04:47 AM
This team has the same problems it's had since week 1. A pedestrian offense and horrible special teams.

I'd cut the O some slack considering Baltimore and their defensive pedigree, but they haven't been able to put together even just one good offensive game all year.

The formula for this team this year is to play very good defense, and hope the offense doesn't make key mistakes and can capitilize two or three times from field position the defense wins for them.

I'm not any more or less excited for this team based on the Ravens game. We still have a very good chance of making the post season and half a season remains to address the deficiencies within the team. Fans with intelligent football minds already knew the weak spots of this team and didn't let the early success blind them to our team weaknesses.

I agree,but most are not objective enough to see your point.

barryr
11-02-2009, 05:31 AM
The Bronco o-line got its butt kicked from the beginning of the game. Your offense won't do much when that is occurring. To throw deep balls, the QB needs time to wait for the receivers to run their patterns, much less get open, but Orton hardly had time to even throw the shorter passes. The o-line was why the offense couldn't get much done in this game.

Gort
11-02-2009, 06:27 AM
This team has the same problems it's had since week 1. A pedestrian offense and horrible special teams.

I'd cut the O some slack considering Baltimore and their defensive pedigree, but they haven't been able to put together even just one good offensive game all year.

The formula for this team this year is to play very good defense, and hope the offense doesn't make key mistakes and can capitilize two or three times from field position the defense wins for them.

I'm not any more or less excited for this team based on the Ravens game. We still have a very good chance of making the post season and half a season remains to address the deficiencies within the team. Fans with intelligent football minds already knew the weak spots of this team and didn't let the early success blind them to our team weaknesses.

inept offense? blame the playcalling. this team needs to add to the playbook every week for each upcoming opponent. not scale it back. right right. run left. screen right. screen left. is not going to cut it from here on out.

BroncoInSkinland
11-02-2009, 06:36 AM
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gtown
11-02-2009, 06:38 AM
Football is a game of lines and the Broncos interior O-Line might as well have been three giant parking cones. But that is what happens when you play Kelly Gregg, Haloti Ngata, and Trevor Pryce. If you can't win the battle up front, the offense becomes predictable. Predictable for McD is screen passes. Unfortunately, the Ravens were generating that kind of pressure without blitzing on too many occasions, so they had defenders flying to the ball.

Hopefully we'll add some beef to that line in the next draft. Or maybe McD can try to work in Olsen against these more physical fronts.

BroncoInferno
11-02-2009, 06:50 AM
Hilarious! You can always count on the Drama Llama for a classic overreaction.

BroncoInferno
11-02-2009, 06:54 AM
The Bronco o-line got its butt kicked from the beginning of the game. Your offense won't do much when that is occurring. To throw deep balls, the QB needs time to wait for the receivers to run their patterns, much less get open, but Orton hardly had time to even throw the shorter passes. The o-line was why the offense couldn't get much done in this game.

Yep. The OL had a rare bad outing. The Ravens were desperate for a win and threw the kitchen sink, and it worked for them. The good thing is that I doubt our OL will have many games like this; I also trust this staff in terms of watching what the Ravens did defensively and making adjustments so that it isn't a problem going forward.

55CrushEm
11-02-2009, 06:59 AM
Yep. The OL had a rare bad outing. The Ravens were desperate for a win and threw the kitchen sink, and it worked for them. The good thing is that I doubt our OL will have many games like this; I also trust this staff in terms of watching what the Ravens did defensively and making adjustments so that it isn't a problem going forward.

I hope they can.....b/c Pittsburgh has the same aggressive blitzing-style defense......they totally have the scheme and personnel to duplicate what Baltimore did to us.

Rohirrim
11-02-2009, 07:22 AM
Pretty much what I expected out of the OM drama queen. Well done. :thumbs:

cutthemdown
11-02-2009, 07:28 AM
Anyone who thinks Broncos problems were all solved was kidding themselves. We have a good team and we will win plenty more games. We lose some more also.

Team isn't big enough on either side of the LOS. Our front 7 doesn't push people around and our interior oline can get pushed around by bigger teams.

Our QB is an average passer who will need the rest of the offense playing well to do well. He can't have fumbles, dropped balls, and interior olineman getting bushwhacked.

Ravens are a huge defense not every team can duplicate what they did.

BroncoInferno
11-02-2009, 07:39 AM
I hope they can.....b/c Pittsburgh has the same aggressive blitzing-style defense......they totally have the scheme and personnel to duplicate what Baltimore did to us.

One thing to keep in mind is that Blatimore bringing the blitz was not some new idea or wrinkle that teams can use against us. Teams have been blitzing all season, this was simply the first time that the OL had a sub-par performance and failed to make adjustments to the blitz. i think we will make teams pay for it more time than not if they get too blitz happy.

OABB
11-02-2009, 07:58 AM
I love the mane...

freak out all summer because we traded baby, than we start 6-0 and people think superbowl.... than we lose one ****ing game, and there are mcd=zorn threads and a kizla article saying that we are doomed.

We have, by far, the most overreacting, whiney pussy fans, in all three major sports.

We make soccer hooligans seem respectable.

Rohirrim
11-02-2009, 08:02 AM
I love the mane...

freak out all summer because we traded baby, than we start 6-0 and people think superbowl.... than we lose one ****ing game, and there are mcd=zorn threads and a kizla article saying that we are doomed.

We have, by far, the most overreacting, whiney p***Y fans, in all three major sports.

We make soccer hooligans seem respectable.

Obviously, you have never been to Philadelphia.

OABB
11-02-2009, 08:05 AM
Obviously, you have never been to Philadelphia.

I have...and I was thinking that since the vet used to have a jail for unruly fans, Invesco should have a powder room, where unruly fans can vacuum the sand out of their collective vaginas.

Smiling Assassin27
11-02-2009, 08:09 AM
Pretty much what I expected out of the OM drama queen. Well done. :thumbs:

wow, such profundity. typing that certainly was not a waste of time, but rather something that simply could not go unsaid. was it a cry for attention? maybe. was it a desperate attempt for approval? could be. was it a childish move to pile on resulting from a deep seated complex of inferiority? yeah, it's possible. whatever the reason, stuff like that ought to be enshrined.


at any rate, the NFL game is 70% matchups and 30% coaching adjustments. like i said last week:

They don't really need CB's when they have a pass rush that is ridiculously good. Our OL will meet its match v the Ravens front 7. I do see us having trouble running as weigmann and hamilton may find it tough sledding as the Ravens go 295, 320, and 345 across the front 3.


our OL just doesn't stack up with the Ravens front 7, and it was evident from the first play from scrimmage. on defense, we also didn't have a great matchup v the ravens. our defense seems geared toward gashing and hitting rb's behind the line, but smaller rb's like rice and those with quick feet like mcclain excel at making the first guy miss, which often leads to the second level being a giant void. they ran it 35 times--something other teams didn't do against us because they gave up too early on it. after being on the field so long, the defense just ran out of steam.

they're bigger, stronger, nastier, and are at their best running downhill. props to a better team who is tailor made for the personnel and scheme we play. the steelers will be rested and will look a lot like the ravens, with some notable exceptions up front--Aaron Smith is out. I'd take Nick Eason in there over Aaron Smith any ol' day. This may enable some sort of run game.

colonelbeef
11-02-2009, 08:14 AM
This team has the same problems it's had since week 1. A pedestrian offense and horrible special teams.

I'd cut the O some slack considering Baltimore and their defensive pedigree, but they haven't been able to put together even just one good offensive game all year.

The formula for this team this year is to play very good defense, and hope the offense doesn't make key mistakes and can capitilize two or three times from field position the defense wins for them.

I'm not any more or less excited for this team based on the Ravens game. We still have a very good chance of making the post season and half a season remains to address the deficiencies within the team. Fans with intelligent football minds already knew the weak spots of this team and didn't let the early success blind them to our team weaknesses.

good post

Rohirrim
11-02-2009, 08:16 AM
wow, such profundity. typing that certainly was not a waste of time, but rather something that simply could not go unsaid. was it a cry for attention? maybe. was it a desperate attempt for approval? could be. was it a childish move to pile on resulting from a deep seated complex of inferiority? yeah, it's possible. whatever the reason, stuff like that ought to be enshrined.


at any rate, the NFL game is 70% matchups and 30% coaching adjustments. like i said last week:



our OL just doesn't stack up with the Ravens front 7, and it was evident from the first play from scrimmage. on defense, we also didn't have a great matchup v the ravens. our defense seems geared toward gashing and hitting rb's behind the line, but smaller rb's like rice and those with quick feet like mcclain excel at making the first guy miss, which often leads to the second level being a giant void. they ran it 35 times--something other teams didn't do against us because they gave up too early on it. after being on the field so long, the defense just ran out of steam.

they're bigger, stronger, nastier, and are at their best running downhill. props to a better team who is tailor made for the personnel and scheme we play. the steelers will be rested and will look a lot like the ravens, with some notable exceptions up front--Aaron Smith is out. I'd take Nick Eason in there over Aaron Smith any ol' day. This may enable some sort of run game.

Why look! It's the drama queen's butt buddy. Who's on top this week?

Bronco Warrior
11-02-2009, 08:19 AM
I'm not going to get down after 1 loss, but in the spirit of things that need work, just once I'd like to see a pass play to Eddie Royal that hits him in stride, and doesn't require him diving backwards or sideways.

That has happened all year. It's the reason Eddies numbers have been weak. ORton was exposed last game enough to actually make us lose a game, and the Game plan didn't change to compensate for it. Roll outs and bootlegs, anything that changed the launch point would have taken pressure off Orton and his tendency to stare dowm receivers got him in trouble.
His lack of arm strength doesn't make anybody, ANYBODY, respect the med to deep ball, which is death on a screen if you can't sell it as a longer pass.
Coaches have their work cut out this week

TailgateNut
11-02-2009, 08:31 AM
I have...and I was thinking that since the vet used to have a jail for unruly fans, Invesco should have a powder room, where unruly fans can vacuum the sand out of their collective vaginas.


:thumbs:

fontaine
11-02-2009, 08:57 AM
Anyone who thinks Broncos problems were all solved was kidding themselves. We have a good team and we will win plenty more games. We lose some more also.

Team isn't big enough on either side of the LOS. Our front 7 doesn't push people around and our interior oline can get pushed around by bigger teams.

Our QB is an average passer who will need the rest of the offense playing well to do well. He can't have fumbles, dropped balls, and interior olineman getting bushwhacked.

Ravens are a huge defense not every team can duplicate what they did.

Our DL is plenty big. Peterson, McBean etc were getting into the back field regularly and taking up blockers when not.

Ray Rice got stoned for most of the game until we got desperate and all out blitzed late in the 4th.

cutthemdown
11-02-2009, 09:03 AM
I love the mane...

freak out all summer because we traded baby, than we start 6-0 and people think superbowl.... than we lose one ****ing game, and there are mcd=zorn threads and a kizla article saying that we are doomed.

We have, by far, the most overreacting, whiney p***Y fans, in all three major sports.

We make soccer hooligans seem respectable.

It really is a joke. I mean Superbowls are damn hard to win. Sure every team has that as the goal, but the goal IMO still the same.

A program to get bigger over the next 1-2 yrs. Winning the division or at least making the playoffs. Win a game or at least look respectable in said playoffs.

If we can turn Moreno and Ayers into player over next few yrs that would help a lot.

We still bigger more talented players for the front 7. Sure Fields is playing well but he won't be enough over the long haul. Same with Mcbean and Peterson. At some point those 3 players need a big huge stud that scares defenses. Then after that your OLBers can really get off.

We need bigger more physical interior olineman and we have all known that for sometime. The fact 3 big defensive lineman gave us trouble should not be a big surprise.

Sorry everyone but we weren't the best team to ever take the field on the way to 16-0. I said in a few threads I hope people don't freak out when we lose some. OOOPS too late.

cutthemdown
11-02-2009, 09:05 AM
Our DL is plenty big. Peterson, McBean etc were getting into the back field regularly and taking up blockers when not.

Ray Rice got stoned for most of the game until we got desperate and all out blitzed late in the 4th.

They aren't bad that is for sure. But I still think we need to add more talent and more size to the front 7.

I like Peterson though i'm on record as saying he was underrated going into the yr. He's not a super talented guy though, just a strong hard worker.

Also it was obvious that our interior oline is way to small.

I just don't think Peterson, Mcbean, Fields all that talented. They are playing very well but I just don't think Broncos will be done there.

Rohirrim
11-02-2009, 09:05 AM
It really is a joke. I mean Superbowls are damn hard to win. Sure every team has that as the goal, but the goal IMO still the same.

A program to get bigger over the next 1-2 yrs. Winning the division or at least making the playoffs. Win a game or at least look respectable in said playoffs.

If we can turn Moreno and Ayers into player over next few yrs that would help a lot.

We still bigger more talented players for the front 7. Sure Fields is playing well but he won't be enough over the long haul. Same with Mcbean and Peterson. At some point those 3 players need a big huge stud that scares defenses. Then after that your OLBers can really get off.

We need bigger more physical interior olineman and we have all known that for sometime. The fact 3 big defensive lineman gave us trouble should not be a big surprise.

Sorry everyone but we weren't the best team to ever take the field on the way to 16-0. I said in a few threads I hope people don't freak out when we lose some. OOOPS too late.

Seems to me there are only a few people freaking out and I would categorize them as the "usual suspects." Your post is right on. We need some more beef. Pretty simple. Still, we should be able to come up with a pretty good run this season with what we have.

CEH
11-02-2009, 09:13 AM
Our offense wore out our defense plain and simple. Had the O just flipped the field once each half the game is close heading into the 4th.

I still like what our D accomplished yesterday and you saw what committing to the running game while having a QB that can make a play or two on his own can do. I blame one TD on Doom/Reid for turning a 4th and 3 into 3rd and 3.

No excuses for that type of bone head play.

BTW Doom needs to step it up as we go on in the season. He'll never get the coin until he can play for 16 games especially late when we need him the most. I'm tired of his Oct Sept stats padding while disappearing in Nov and Dec. I hope he's turned the corner moving to a differerent position

Bronco Warrior
11-02-2009, 09:15 AM
Little things made big differences. The Punting was horrible, field position makes a big difference. This is a game of micro seconds and inches. We make a big deal about a guy who runs a 4.3 instead of a 4.5..why? But we won't acknowledge a QB whose passes flutter short and slow allowing a defender to close on the receiver and gets him killed. Agressive punishing Defenders like Baltimore had our guys hearing footsteps and taking shots that weren't neccessary. Case in point, Orton get the ball to Moreno even a fraction earlier and he has time to get the ball and gather for the Reed hit, no turnover, no points for Baltimore

Paladin
11-02-2009, 09:22 AM
I am tired of screens that don't work. It was happening all day. Runningbacks need more touches. Interior line is terrible. Offense needs to take pressure off the D. Special teams is horrendous.

Honestly, I am surprised we are 6-1. Hope we can fix those issues.

Oh, golly, gee whiz! The sky is falling!

Now that you are dosappointed, deptressed aand disgusted, you gonna leave now? !Booya!

barryr
11-02-2009, 11:33 AM
Little things made big differences. The Punting was horrible, field position makes a big difference. This is a game of micro seconds and inches. We make a big deal about a guy who runs a 4.3 instead of a 4.5..why? But we won't acknowledge a QB whose passes flutter short and slow allowing a defender to close on the receiver and gets him killed. Agressive punishing Defenders like Baltimore had our guys hearing footsteps and taking shots that weren't neccessary. Case in point, Orton get the ball to Moreno even a fraction earlier and he has time to get the ball and gather for the Reed hit, no turnover, no points for Baltimore

Orton tried, but a defender rushed from that side and Orton had to hesitate and then lob it over him to just get it to Moreno.

cutthemdown
11-02-2009, 01:35 PM
Seems to me there are only a few people freaking out and I would categorize them as the "usual suspects." Your post is right on. We need some more beef. Pretty simple. Still, we should be able to come up with a pretty good run this season with what we have.

More beef, a few more studs wherever. We need some young guys like Royal, Moreno, Ayers to keep developing. Scoring another stud like Clady at any position in the next draft would be huge. We just need a little more but against many teams they need more then we do.

There are plenty of teams without the multiple big dlineman that Ravens have.

Pitt will be tough, Haynesworth is tough in DC.

Broncos just have a brutal schedule, some weaknesses, a less potent offense then we had under Cutler. Those things will lead to some losses.

Eventually Broncos probably not talented enough to win it all, but you never know if you just get into playoffs.

Thats the goal. We need 4 maybe 5 more wins.

Rohirrim
11-02-2009, 01:47 PM
More beef, a few more studs wherever. We need some young guys like Royal, Moreno, Ayers to keep developing. Scoring another stud like Clady at any position in the next draft would be huge. We just need a little more but against many teams they need more then we do.

There are plenty of teams without the multiple big dlineman that Ravens have.

Pitt will be tough, Haynesworth is tough in DC.

Broncos just have a brutal schedule, some weaknesses, a less potent offense then we had under Cutler. Those things will lead to some losses.

Eventually Broncos probably not talented enough to win it all, but you never know if you just get into playoffs.

Thats the goal. We need 4 maybe 5 more wins.

That's how I feel. This season is an unexpected surprise. Next year I'll start actually expecting something. ;D

Atwater His Ass
11-02-2009, 02:35 PM
inept offense? blame the playcalling. this team needs to add to the playbook every week for each upcoming opponent. not scale it back. right right. run left. screen right. screen left. is not going to cut it from here on out.

and why do you think mcd hasn't opened up the playbook or calls games on the conservative side?

Bronco Warrior
11-02-2009, 04:12 PM
and why do you think mcd hasn't opened up the playbook or calls games on the conservative side?

Two reasons: 1- He knows Orton has limitations and tries not to expose them, and when they are...has nothing that Orton can do to call to counter it! 2-All this trap and pulling guard **** doesn't work for us and McD is too in love with it to got back to the Zone blocking! IMO

Bronco Warrior
11-02-2009, 04:15 PM
Has Berger been cut yet? That was a big part too :D

maher_tyler
11-02-2009, 04:45 PM
Has Berger been cut yet? That was a big part too :D

It seemed like he was trying not to out kick the coverage IMO! Maybe he was told to do that...seemed like they had a few fair catches..which is better than giving up a return for a TD.

I thought with them blitzing/getting presure on us, that we'd try throwing to the TE in the middle of the field a little more. Did Shef even play yesterday!

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2009, 05:44 PM
It really is a joke. I mean Superbowls are damn hard to win. Sure every team has that as the goal, but the goal IMO still the same.

A program to get bigger over the next 1-2 yrs. Winning the division or at least making the playoffs. Win a game or at least look respectable in said playoffs.

If we can turn Moreno and Ayers into player over next few yrs that would help a lot.

We still bigger more talented players for the front 7. Sure Fields is playing well but he won't be enough over the long haul. Same with Mcbean and Peterson. At some point those 3 players need a big huge stud that scares defenses. Then after that your OLBers can really get off.

We need bigger more physical interior olineman and we have all known that for sometime. The fact 3 big defensive lineman gave us trouble should not be a big surprise.

Sorry everyone but we weren't the best team to ever take the field on the way to 16-0. I said in a few threads I hope people don't freak out when we lose some. OOOPS too late.

Freak out?

I criticized the same aspects of the team when they were winning and got the same childish groupthink cheerleader drivel back from this board's juvenile majority.

This team is what they are, and if they arent winning the turnover battle, they arent winning games. Why? Its because it takes the offense 3 quarters to get into any sort of rhythm, and if the defense hasnt played "above their paygrade" for longer than they can to be on the field, then a blowout results.

The Broncos lost because the Ravens offense offense made the plays that the Broncos' offense could not. Joe Flacco scrambled and made losses into big gains. Ray Rice found creases and space to do damage.

Playmakers at 2 key positions were the difference. It wasnt like the Broncos' linebackers werent playing well and disrupting plays, because they were.

Karenin
11-02-2009, 06:42 PM
i liked it better after the mavs lost to the nuggets and you stopped posting for like 4 months

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2009, 09:54 PM
This team has the same problems it's had since week 1. A pedestrian offense and horrible special teams.

I'd cut the O some slack considering Baltimore and their defensive pedigree, but they haven't been able to put together even just one good offensive game all year.

Orton has yet to open up the field in the passing game, and I dont know whether thats his responsibility or McD's given the conservative approach to the passing game. I dont know who is making those choices.

As for the rest of the offense...Moreno, Hamilton, and Royal are all struggling. Moreno has his moments, but he has real fumbling problems and sometimes he neglects to follow the correct blocks. Ben Hamilton is getting mauled regularly and ends up in the backfield way too much. Eddie Royal is playing with alligator arms...I dont think that the short passing game is something that he likes. He's getting alot of contact that he didnt get last year.

I'm not any more or less excited for this team based on the Ravens game. We still have a very good chance of making the post season and half a season remains to address the deficiencies within the team. Fans with intelligent football minds already knew the weak spots of this team and didn't let the early success blind them to our team weaknesses.

The Hamilton, Goodman, and Orton problems are all still relevant.

I wouldnt be too concerned about the Ravens loss if they had not exploited those weaknesses enough to blow the Broncos out in an important conference game.

HEAV
11-02-2009, 10:44 PM
The Hamilton, Goodman, and Orton problems are all still relevant.

I wouldnt be too concerned about the Ravens loss if they had not exploited those weaknesses enough to blow the Broncos out in an important conference game.

2 months ago many on here never would have thought the team could be 6-0 (you where one!) now you all wanna bag on the team for losing a road game to a team that's damn good!

Just imagine if back in August someone would have told you this team would be 6-1 after seven games. What would you have said then? (no F'n way)Ya me too. Now I wasn't like the group of you crying 4-12, but I was thinking 6-1to this point either.

I've also posted and stated that Hamilton and Casey are the weak links on the line and are undersized to play the "Patriot offense" which is really the Ray Perkins & Ron Erhardt offense. Big power O-line and power running game that allows for the playaction pass in multiple set formations.

But when the run gets stuffed and the O-line gets blown up the playaction and deeper routes aren't happeing.

Orton is a perfect fit for this offense, an offense he has only been running for a little over 3 months (of live action) and he like the rest of the players still have to learn & get comfortable with to expect big Patriot numbers.

Now I'm saying Orton is better than Brady,Manning (enter you fav QB crush) but he's a winner and to me that's a franchise QB. He's lead this team to some big wins this year (so far) and I hope he continues the success. But that success depends on the O-line performing, the recievers making plays and the running game being effective.

As far as the comment about "important conference game". The Ravens are third in their respective division & have one game to play with the Bengals and two big games with the Steelers...and the last time I looked the Broncos where 2 games ahead in the AFC west.

This team isn't perfect, it's good, not great and to me that a major improvement over the last few years and for all the drama that took place back in the Spring... well it's a great position to be in right now!

Winning the AFC west would be a huge statement for this franchise and it's future direction. Right now that's the goal, just win the damn west. Beat the AFC west teams and it's the Broncos Division

It's funny how the many that thought it would be a bad year are now upset that this team may not be the Super Bowl champions this year.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2009, 10:51 PM
2 months ago many on here never would have thought the team could be 6-0 (you where one!) now you all wanna bag on the team for losing a road game to a team that's damn good!

Just imagine if back in August someone would have told you this team would be 6-1 after seven games. What would you have said then? (no F'n way)Ya me too. Now I wasn't like the group of you crying 4-12, but I was thinking 6-1to this point either.

I've also posted and stated that Hamilton and Casey are the weak links on the line and are undersized to play the "Patriot offense" which is really the Ray Perkins & Ron Erhardt offense. Big power O-line and power running game that allows for the playaction pass in multiple set formations.

But when the run gets stuffed and the O-line gets blown up the playaction and deeper routes aren't happeing.

Orton is a perfect fit for this offense, an offense he has only been running for a little over 3 months (of live action) and he like the rest of the players still have to learn & get comfortable with to expect big Patriot numbers.

Now I'm saying Orton is better than Brady,Manning (enter you fav QB crush) but he's a winner and to me that's a franchise QB. He's lead this team to some big wins this year (so far) and I hope he continues the success. But that success depends on the O-line performing, the recievers making plays and the running game being effective.

As far as the comment about "important conference game". The Ravens are third in their respective division & have one game to play with the Bengals and two big games with the Steelers...and the last time I looked the Broncos where 2 games ahead in the AFC west.

This team isn't perfect, it's good, not great and to me that a major improvement over the last few years and for all the drama that took place back in the Spring... well it's a great position to be in right now!

Winning the AFC west would be a huge statement for this franchise and it's future direction. Right now that's the goal, just win the damn west. Beat the AFC west teams and it's the Broncos Division

It's funny how the many that thought it would be a bad year are now upset that this team may not be the Super Bowl champions this year.

We'll see if its better than the past incarnations. There are things to be excited about with this group, and there are things to be concerned about as well. Its no different anywhere else around the NFL. Fans everywhere are seeing the strengths and weaknesses of their favorite teams and are chatting about them in forums. The good forums are always the ones that have discussion that is much deeper than cheerleading.

cutthemdown
11-02-2009, 11:10 PM
No way to fix everything, switch to a 3-4, get a new qb, new coach all in one offseason.

To point out problems is not hard to do.

epicSocialism4tw
11-02-2009, 11:58 PM
No way to fix everything, switch to a 3-4, get a new qb, new coach all in one offseason.

To point out problems is not hard to do.

If you visit orangemane.com and look around, you would think that there werent any.

Archer81
11-03-2009, 12:58 AM
I's sorry...is the team 6-1 or 1-6? Its hard to tell.

Our QB is horrible...

Our oline is horrible...

Our WR's dont get open downfield...

Knowshon is a bust...

We are too small up front on both sides of the ball...

McDaniels is a horrible playcaller...

Our ST's are horrible...

I swear to God this team has to finish 15-1 or the season is a failure. 1 ****ing loss and suddenly the Broncos are a horrible team.

:Broncos:

Atwater His Ass
11-03-2009, 01:11 AM
I's sorry...is the team 6-1 or 1-6? Its hard to tell.

Our QB is horrible...

Our oline is horrible...

Our WR's dont get open downfield...

Knowshon is a bust...

We are too small up front on both sides of the ball...

McDaniels is a horrible playcaller...

Our ST's are horrible...

I swear to God this team has to finish 15-1 or the season is a failure. 1 ****ing loss and suddenly the Broncos are a horrible team.

:Broncos:

WTF are you talking about?

Archer81
11-03-2009, 01:20 AM
WTF are you talking about?


Generally, the hyperbitch reaction to a single loss, and the whining reasons for it.

Its 2am and I'm writing a paper...you want me to make sense?

:Broncos:

epicSocialism4tw
11-03-2009, 07:12 PM
Generally, the hyperb**** reaction to a single loss, and the whining reasons for it.

Its 2am and I'm writing a paper...you want me to make sense?

:Broncos:

Criticism is whining? Ha!

I guess you'll be butthurt when your prof puts red marks all over your paper as well.

theAPAOps5
11-03-2009, 07:14 PM
i liked it better after the mavs lost to the nuggets and you stopped posting for like 4 months

Yep thats Drama llama!

OABB
11-03-2009, 09:58 PM
there should be a pandis forum. it would solve everything.

Archer81
11-04-2009, 12:13 AM
Criticism is whining? Ha!

I guess you'll be butthurt when your prof puts red marks all over your paper as well.


I find the timing of the "criticism" suspect; one loss and suddenly the Broncos are the most horrible team ever. They had a bad game. **** happens. No team in this league plays mistake free football or does not have some weakness. Also find it funny that alot of the criticism comes from people who left the board shortly before the season started and coincidentally are gay for Jay and upset with McDaniels...

Its English comp man...I can write a paper blindfolded and still get 100% on it.

:Broncos:

Atwater His Ass
11-04-2009, 12:56 AM
I find the timing of the "criticism" suspect; one loss and suddenly the Broncos are the most horrible team ever. They had a bad game. **** happens. No team in this league plays mistake free football or does not have some weakness. Also find it funny that alot of the criticism comes from people who left the board shortly before the season started and coincidentally are gay for Jay and upset with McDaniels...

Its English comp man...I can write a paper blindfolded and still get 100% on it.

:Broncos:

Um what? If you've been paying attention the crisitcms of the team have been the same since week 1. It just happened to catch up to them against Baltimore.

GeniusatWork
11-04-2009, 02:05 PM
I see other teams complete some strikes downfield, and I'm a little disappointed Denver hasn't done that. They have tried, but something isn't working right. I suppose it is a matter of working on it some more in practice.

epicSocialism4tw
11-04-2009, 03:39 PM
Um what? If you've been paying attention the crisitcms of the team have been the same since week 1. It just happened to catch up to them against Baltimore.

Exac-i-tally.

:thumbsup:

The opposition has a technical foot in the door. Lets see if the Broncos' coaching staff can find a way to get it closed again.

orange 4 life
11-04-2009, 05:41 PM
This team needs work.

Especially the passing offense. Right now, the passing game is the weakest aspect of the entire team, narrowly edging out the second and third DB's and the interior defensive line.

Actually, the passing game has been QUITE impressive at times, and that's WITHOUT having a real identity. No doubt we have a solid group of receivers in Marshall, Royal, Stokely, and Gaffney, but I'd like to see a little more consistency in which of those guys (and when) is targeted. That said, Orton IS making all the throws, we ARE putting up decent numbers with TD's and yards, and we've limited int's to ONE that came during a hail mary.

Yes, we need to open it up a bit, because when we DO, we consistently make plays and gain yards.
Yes, the offense (thus far) has been too conservative for my taste (punting from inside the opponents 40 with less than 5 yards to go leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and we've done it no less than a half dozen times), but they DO make plays when needed, and have been VERY solid in the second halves of all games minus the last.

The short yardage RUNNING game has been our biggest weakness on offense, and if we can improve there, that will open up more downfield passing.

Beyond that, it's just a matter of the coaches continuing to gain confidence in their players, and the players continuing to gel and find their identity.

My hope is that 7 games in Orton and his coaches have plenty of film to review, and they will see that all that really needs to happen is to put in more plays of the 10-20 yard variety.
We are a ball control passing team that looks to make plays when needed, and we've been very good at that at times.
If we can SIMPLY settle on a rotation at WR and open things up a bit, our offense should be just fine.

Again, it's not the passing game that concerns me, but rather our almost COMPLETE inability to pick up a yard via the ground on 2nd or 3rd and 1.
And why do we NEVER try a qb sneak?

orange 4 life
11-04-2009, 05:48 PM
You don't get to the SB by not losing games.

You get there by flat-out beating opponents. I'd like to see some more of that kind of football.

Hence my comment about opening things up. Winning is exciting, and ANY win is a good win, especially against the quality opponents we've played (we DID beat up on Cleveland and Oakland), but I do agree that it would be nice to really STICK it to teams more often.

During this last game, we went through the last few years' home games, and a disturbing trend arose. We either lose or win in heart attack fashion.
Only ONE of the last NINE home games has been won by more than a TD, and something ridiculous like 25 or 26 out of 28 home games have either been a loss or a win by less than seven. You have to go back to '05 to see a time when we DOMINATED home games.

That said, this team DID handle Cleveland and Oakland easily (could've put more on both, but they weren't close games), and the other games have been against solid teams.

I'm not going to rush to judgement here, but I certainly hope we WILL see our offense open things up a bit more (lesson learned last week I hope) and as a result we WILL start to see more lopsided wins.
God knows it would do wonders for my heart. ;D

hambone13
11-04-2009, 06:16 PM
I's sorry...is the team 6-1 or 1-6? Its hard to tell.

Our QB is horrible...

Our oline is horrible...

Our WR's dont get open downfield...

Knowshon is a bust...

We are too small up front on both sides of the ball...

McDaniels is a horrible playcaller...

Our ST's are horrible...

I swear to God this team has to finish 15-1 or the season is a failure. 1 ****ing loss and suddenly the Broncos are a horrible team.

:Broncos:

I swear that if everyone isn't sucking the team's collective cocks you're gonna post things like this on a regular basis....

epicSocialism4tw
11-04-2009, 07:38 PM
Actually, the passing game has been QUITE impressive at times, and that's WITHOUT having a real identity. No doubt we have a solid group of receivers in Marshall, Royal, Stokely, and Gaffney, but I'd like to see a little more consistency in which of those guys (and when) is targeted. That said, Orton IS making all the throws, we ARE putting up decent numbers with TD's and yards, and we've limited int's to ONE that came during a hail mary.

Yes, we need to open it up a bit, because when we DO, we consistently make plays and gain yards.
Yes, the offense (thus far) has been too conservative for my taste (punting from inside the opponents 40 with less than 5 yards to go leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and we've done it no less than a half dozen times), but they DO make plays when needed, and have been VERY solid in the second halves of all games minus the last.

The short yardage RUNNING game has been our biggest weakness on offense, and if we can improve there, that will open up more downfield passing.

Beyond that, it's just a matter of the coaches continuing to gain confidence in their players, and the players continuing to gel and find their identity.

My hope is that 7 games in Orton and his coaches have plenty of film to review, and they will see that all that really needs to happen is to put in more plays of the 10-20 yard variety.
We are a ball control passing team that looks to make plays when needed, and we've been very good at that at times.
If we can SIMPLY settle on a rotation at WR and open things up a bit, our offense should be just fine.

Again, it's not the passing game that concerns me, but rather our almost COMPLETE inability to pick up a yard via the ground on 2nd or 3rd and 1.
And why do we NEVER try a qb sneak?


Those are all fair observations Jake, and reflect some of the same problems that the team has had for awhile.

The interior line has alot of trouble with big D-linemen. Hamilton struggles big time in there.

lex
11-04-2009, 11:02 PM
You don't get to the SB by not losing games.

You get there by flat-out beating opponents. I'd like to see some more of that kind of football.

One of the best posts in this thread is right here. And not surprisingly, it gets no responses. What makes this one of the best posts is not that its right but moreso what it represents. As Broncos fans we've experienced our team winning two SBs when it had a juggernaut offense. And since thats a frame of reference, you look at this team and maybe it doesnt pass the sniff test. Ive been pining for balance for a long time. It was a prominant characteristic of our SB teams. But even with the balance on those teams, you could look at the running game and say, "****ing A, we have an awesome running game." We dont really have that as much now. But what we do have is a very complimentary team, though we may not have a great offense or a great defense (maybe it is, maybe it's not...the jury is still out). Even though we havent really been able to leave a path of destruction like some of our teams in the past, its still fun to be 6-0...and now 6-1.

BTW, lets face it, Hamilton was getting ragdolled a lot under the old regime. We've had this discussion before about whether or not it would be better to get bigger lineman and he is a big reason why those conversations took place (that and the year Lepsis stunk on his way out the door).

Cmac821
11-05-2009, 05:19 AM
(read with sarcasm) The season is over we should take what we have and move on. We need to get Branstater some starts :~ohyah!:

Archer81
11-05-2009, 10:07 AM
I swear that if everyone isn't sucking the team's collective cocks you're gonna post things like this on a regular basis....


Right...

If people overreact every week, maybe.

:Broncos:

peacepipe
11-05-2009, 10:18 AM
Orton has yet to open up the field in the passing game, and I dont know whether thats his responsibility or McD's given the conservative approach to the passing game. I dont know who is making those choices.


It reminds me of when Jake Plummer was here & Shanahan had to be more conservative on offense to limit Plummers mistakes. McDaniels isn't a conservative playcaller when you look at his track record,just may be limited in what he can call on offense.

Tombstone RJ
11-05-2009, 11:29 AM
I can hardly wait for Monday night... I might be wrong and if I am, I'll take my lumps but I'm feeling good about this team rebounding all over the stellers.

Peeps here want to point out the Broncos deficiencies and that fine. Orton isn't gonna dazzle anyone with his play but he does have his moments and he gets better as the game progresses. The oline is not a problem, but it did have a bad game against a very good defensive team. The special teams are on again, off again and need some fine tuning. What does all this tell you? Simple, this team ain't perfect. However, this team is playing excellent football and will match up well against the stellers.

Look at the steller's weaknesses and tell me the Broncos can't exploit them! Off the top of my head: subpar oline, mediocre running game, defensive line injuries...

Um yah, I like our chances...

Circle Orange
11-05-2009, 06:35 PM
I went to the doctor the other day. The sky fell, hit me on the head and gave me a concussion.

epicSocialism4tw
11-12-2009, 05:18 PM
I can hardly wait for Monday night... I might be wrong and if I am, I'll take my lumps but I'm feeling good about this team rebounding all over the stellers.

Peeps here want to point out the Broncos deficiencies and that fine. Orton isn't gonna dazzle anyone with his play but he does have his moments and he gets better as the game progresses. The oline is not a problem, but it did have a bad game against a very good defensive team. The special teams are on again, off again and need some fine tuning. What does all this tell you? Simple, this team ain't perfect. However, this team is playing excellent football and will match up well against the stellers.

Look at the steller's weaknesses and tell me the Broncos can't exploit them! Off the top of my head: subpar oline, mediocre running game, defensive line injuries...

Um yah, I like our chances...

Well, we stunk against the Steelers.

That's two losses in a row (both of which were ugly blowouts) to potential AFC playoff teams.

The worry after the blazing 6-0 start was concerning whether or not the Broncos could avoid their usual mid-to-late season swoon and fall out of the playoff race again.

The Chargers have essentially closed the gap and the Broncos are now looking at a fight to win the division.

Karenin
11-12-2009, 08:59 PM
quit bumping your crap thread that nobody cares about

epicSocialism4tw
11-12-2009, 09:14 PM
quit bumping your crap thread that nobody cares about

Evidently you care. :D

It must suck being wrong all the time, but you should be used to it by now.