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sixtimeseight
12-07-2009, 07:33 AM
Thats what Stern is going to do. Try to sweep this under the rug, call him a rouge ref, and hope it goes away. But it wont. And nothing will be done about it until Stern is gone. If the Nuggets werent so good I wouldnt watch another fcking game.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/books/blog/sarah%20palin%20going-rouge.jpg

Master___Pain
12-08-2009, 02:41 PM
damn, this thing got bumped all the way to the third page.

Nice win by the Nuggs in AI's return to Philly. Sloppy game for 3 quarters but CB1 and Lawson put it away in the 4th. Nice that even with Melo having a terrible game that they can win by 10 on the road.

Master___Pain
12-08-2009, 02:48 PM
Did anyone else see the freaking screw jobs the REfs tried to pull in San Antonio? I don't understand how and why the Big Flopper gets to Flop all the time. Absoultely ludicrous.....

I hate Ginobli.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/drums_addict/GinobliFlop1.gif?t=1260154337

Dude gets hit in the chest and acts like he was shot in the face by a shotgun. The .gif doesn't show it but he was holding his face after this play. Soccer playing turbo douche flopper he is.

lex
12-08-2009, 04:06 PM
Somebody bring back the thread where it was stated that Kobe Never hit a game winning shot... But Lebron has lol

This is what was said.

No, when has Kobe ever hit a shot like the one Lebron hit in game 2?

"Shot like the one Lebron hit" encompasses more than buzzer beater. When I made this statement all the ritalin boy laker fans brought up a bunch of stuff that wasnt comparable in terms of situation or degree of difficulty. I still dont think anything you guys came up with compares to Lebrons. None of them were as difficult. Some of them werent actually do or die and one was stigmatized by the fact that the game that followed was one where Kobe checked out. And one was 10 years before. This is why all the chest pounding of the dippy laker fans is kind of amusing. They actually think they can just throw anything out there and call it the same. LOL

Sim Pilot 4.0
12-08-2009, 09:06 PM
This is what was said.



"Shot like the one Lebron hit" encompasses more than buzzer beater. When I made this statement all the ritalin boy laker fans brought up a bunch of stuff that wasnt comparable in terms of situation or degree of difficulty. I still dont think anything you guys came up with compares to Lebrons. None of them were as difficult. Some of them werent actually do or die and one was stigmatized by the fact that the game that followed was one where Kobe checked out. And one was 10 years before. This is why all the chest pounding of the dippy laker fans is kind of amusing. They actually think they can just throw anything out there and call it the same. LOL

He just hit a one legged fade away at the buzzer against phoenix. Kobe is the most dangerous person with the ball at the end of any game! And I'm a Bulls fan. Lebron just clanked one off of the front rim against the grizzlies a few minutes ago. Come on How can you say this stuff

RhymesayersDU
12-08-2009, 09:14 PM
When a troll like Lex meets, well, basically any Laker fan, it truly is the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object.



In essence, nobody wins, because we're all losers.

Boobs McGee
12-08-2009, 09:29 PM
He just hit a one legged fade away at the buzzer against phoenix. Kobe is the most dangerous person with the ball at the end of any game! And I'm a Bulls fan. Lebron just clanked one off of the front rim against the grizzlies a few minutes ago. Come on How can you say this stuff

Dammit noob, you just untied the straight jacket.

Mods, if you're reading this right now (which, you probably aren't), PLEASE don't lock this NBA thread because of lex's ineptitude and inability to prove a point...I promise, we won't, under ANY circumstances (except for the purpose of laughing uncontrollably at someone who oozes fail from every pore) spend 400 pages* slamming that artard with stats, videos, confirmations declarations corroborations manifestations demonstrations substantiations and any other various forms of INFORMATION to discount his outrageous, egregious, and erroneous assertions.

We've decided that he is entirely TOO dense to fully comprehend when he is wrong, and though he'll come right back with something completely unwitty to try and deflect, we'll continue on with the knowledge that he's "special".

Thank you Mods,

warmest regards,

b. ron. conia



*a gross misrepresentation, but it sure as hell FELT like 400 pages at the time.

Boobs McGee
12-08-2009, 09:30 PM
When a troll like Lex meets, well, basically any Laker fan, it truly is the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object.



In essence, nobody wins, because we're all losers.

or, this too.


:thumbs:

lex
12-08-2009, 09:31 PM
He just hit a one legged fade away at the buzzer against phoenix. Kobe is the most dangerous person with the ball at the end of any game! And I'm a Bulls fan. Lebron just clanked one off of the front rim against the grizzlies a few minutes ago. Come on How can you say this stuff

Lebrons shot was in the conference finals not the 29th of 82 games. Theres more pressure in the conference finals than in some regular season game against Phoenix. And that Lebron shot was a high arcing fade away from the top of the key with a hand in his face and if he didnt hit that shot, they lose...its not like it was tied if he missed. Plus you could tell early on that the Cavs Magic series was going to be a big challenge for Cleveland. The pressure on Lebron was enormous in that series and that shot was tremendous.

lex
12-08-2009, 09:36 PM
Dammit noob, you just untied the straight jacket.

Mods, if you're reading this right now (which, you probably aren't), PLEASE don't lock this NBA thread because of lex's ineptitude and inability to prove a point...I promise, we won't, under ANY circumstances (except for the purpose of laughing uncontrollably at someone who oozes fail from every pore) spend 400 pages* slamming that artard with stats, videos, confirmations declarations corroborations manifestations demonstrations substantiations and any other various forms of INFORMATION to discount his outrageous, egregious, and erroneous assertions.

We've decided that he is entirely TOO dense to fully comprehend when he is wrong, and though he'll come right back with something completely unwitty to try and deflect, we'll continue on with the knowledge that he's "special".

Thank you Mods,

warmest regards,

b. ron. conia



*a gross misrepresentation, but it sure as hell FELT like 400 pages at the time.

Wow, I said something a laker fan doesnt like. Thats a shock. Too ****ing bad.

Boobs McGee
12-08-2009, 09:42 PM
Mods, please see post #257 lines 10-12.

Thank you

orangemonkey
12-12-2009, 11:49 AM
Get ready for a great game tonight in Denver against Nash and the Suns. Go Nuggets!!!!!

bombay
12-12-2009, 12:42 PM
Seeing how the Nuggets struggle without Martin tells me that if they're serious about making a similar run to last year's, they have to add a good big man. One that can give you 20 minutes without a serious dropoff, at least at the defensive end.

bombay
12-12-2009, 09:47 PM
Nuggets were very sluggish tonight, and got zip from the bench (in terms of points. 10 Anderson boards) , but get by Phoenix 105-99.

Paladin
12-12-2009, 10:17 PM
The Suns are true masters of the art of the whine..... Nash whines well, and Amare gets away with a lot of crap....

Nuggets win on grit and Defense....

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-13-2009, 01:00 AM
Lebrons shot was in the conference finals not the 29th of 82 games. Theres more pressure in the conference finals than in some regular season game against Phoenix. And that Lebron shot was a high arcing fade away from the top of the key with a hand in his face and if he didnt hit that shot, they lose...its not like it was tied if he missed. Plus you could tell early on that the Cavs Magic series was going to be a big challenge for Cleveland. The pressure on Lebron was enormous in that series and that shot was tremendous.

Ha! ROFL!

Can't decide which is more hilarious: (a) your continued insistence, in spite of the record and the facts, that Kobe has never hit a shot like the aforementioned shot by LBJ or (b) your argument that this one aforementioned shot somehow means LBJ is a better player than Kobe.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-13-2009, 01:14 AM
Lebrons shot was in the conference finals not the 29th of 82 games. Theres more pressure in the conference finals than in some regular season game against Phoenix.

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

Here's just one example to illustrate your ignorance of the facts and NBA history:

Kobe (playing with an injured ankle) hit the game winner with 5.9 left in game 4 of the NBA Finals (vs. Indiana) in 2000. He was 21 years old at the time.

BroncoDoug
12-13-2009, 01:14 AM
So how serious is this kobe injury? He didn't look good tonight...

24champ
12-13-2009, 01:38 AM
So how serious is this kobe injury? He didn't look good tonight...

He had the flu or some stomache virus tonight, it's the only thing that can stop him.

The injury isn't a big a deal IMO.

BroncoDoug
12-13-2009, 03:11 AM
He had the flu or some stomache virus tonight, it's the only thing that can stop him.

The injury isn't a big a deal IMO.

he seems to always have the flu when he has a bad game, LA better figure out what the hell is in their food or something, and get that fixed.

broncocalijohn
12-17-2009, 12:56 AM
So how serious is this kobe injury? He didn't look good tonight...

good enough to drop 42 points than follow it up with 39 and another buzzer beater to win in OT vs the Bucks. Hey, Lex.....Did ya see it?

BroncoDoug
12-17-2009, 01:19 AM
good enough to drop 42 points than follow it up with 39 and another buzzer beater to win in OT vs the Bucks. Hey, Lex.....Did ya see it?

yeah, it doesn't look like its going to affect him at all...

24champ
12-17-2009, 02:02 AM
yeah, it doesn't look like its going to affect him at all...

http://memegenerator.net/Instances/647/Philosoraptor-If-you-cant-be-stopped-Is-your-finger-really-broken.jpg



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BroncoDoug
12-17-2009, 02:26 AM
i think he is just faking the whole thing. trying to make everyone think he is doing something extra special by playing with a "broken finger"

Paladin
12-17-2009, 09:35 AM
So, That's six road games for the fakers?

broncofan2438
12-17-2009, 09:49 AM
Go nuggs. Good win by the Nuggs over the Rockets last night. Keep it going

lex
12-17-2009, 10:29 AM
Ha ha ha! :laugh:

Here's just one example to illustrate your ignorance of the facts and NBA history:

Kobe (playing with an injured ankle) hit the game winner with 5.9 left in game 4 of the NBA Finals (vs. Indiana) in 2000. He was 21 years old at the time.

Didnt I say, I dont remember Kobe hitting a shot like the one Lebron hit in game 2? Whats interesting is that the discussion from that point on went in the direction of simply hitting a buzzer beater, since thats all the ritalin induced Faker fans could wrap their minds around (apparently). But, as Ive recently stated in this thread (refer back to my previous comment), degree of difficulty factors in. Nothing I said originally was off base or incorrect.

lex
12-17-2009, 10:35 AM
Ha! ROFL!

Can't decide which is more hilarious: (a) your continued insistence, in spite of the record and the facts, that Kobe has never hit a shot like the aforementioned shot by LBJ or (b) your argument that this one aforementioned shot somehow means LBJ is a better player than Kobe.

You dont have to like it. You dont have to understand it. If you still have problems wrapping your mind around what was said, thats not my problem.

Also, "aforementioned"? Is that really necessary? Whats next, "inherent barrier", "prima facia",...LOL

broncocalijohn
12-17-2009, 10:40 AM
Hey Lex, there was also a game winning shot against Phoenix in 2006...... in the first round of the playoffs. Does that one not count?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-17-2009, 10:48 AM
If you still have problems wrapping your mind around what was said, thats not my problem.


You made a bullsh*t claim and got called on it (numerous times by multiple forum members.)

What's not to understand there? :wave:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-17-2009, 10:49 AM
Interesting tidbit: Kobe has now more game-winners than Jordan...

Kobe Bryant game winning shots

(1) 05/10/00 - Lakers 97 - Phoenix 96 (playoffs)
(2) 06/14/00 - Lakers 120 - Pacers 118 (playoffs)
(3) 11/16/00 - Lakers 112 - Kings 110
(4) 02/07/01 - Lakers 85 - Phoenix 83
(5) 02/13/01 - Lakers 113 - Nets 110
(6) 01/02/02 - Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86
(7) 02/22/02 - Lakers 96 - Hornets 94
(8) 05/12/02 - Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (playoffs)
(9) 12/06/02 - Lakers 105 - Dallas 103
(10) 04/04/03 - Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101
(11) 04/06/03 - Lakers 115 - Suns 113
(12) 12/19/03 - Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99
(13) 02/17/04 - Lakers 89 - Blazers 86
(14) 03/21/04 - Lakers 104 - Bucks 103
(15) 04/14/04 - Lakers 105 - Blazers 104
(16) 03/12/05 - Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116
(17) 11/02/05 - Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97
(18) 01/07/06 - Lakers 112 - Clippers 109
(19) 01/13/06 - Lakers 99 - Cavaliers 98
(20) 04/30/06 - Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (playoffs)
(21) 01/14/08 - Lakers 123 - Seattle 121
(22) 12/05/09 - Lakers 108 - Heat 107
(23) 12/16/09 - Lakers 107- Bucks 106


Michael Jordan game winning shots

(1) Nov. 11, 1984 vs. Indiana, 118-116
(2) Dec. 7, 1984 vs. New York, 95-93
(3) April 24, 1985 vs. Milwaukee, 109-107
(4) Nov. 11, 1986 vs. Atlanta, 112-110
(5) Nov. 21, 1986 vs. New York, 101-99
(6) April 15, 1988 vs. New Jersey, 100-99
(7) Feb. 16, 1989 vs. Milwaukee, 117-116
(8) May 7, 1989 vs. Cleveland, 101-100
(9) May 27, 1989 vs. Detroit, 99-97
(10) Nov. 13, 1990 vs. Utah, 84-82
(11) Jan. 22, 1992 vs. Charlotte, 115-112
(12) Nov. 11, 1992 vs. Detroit, 98-96 (OT)
(13) May 17, 1993 vs. Cleveland, 103-101
(14) March 25, 1995 vs. Atlanta, 99-98
(15) Feb. 11, 1997 vs. Charlotte, 103-100
(16) June 1, 1997 vs. Utah, 84-82
(17) February 13, 1998 vs. Atlanta, 112-110
(18) March 22, 1998 vs. Toronto, 102-100
(19) June 14, 1998 vs. Utah, 87-86
(20) December 22, 2001 vs. New York, 87-86
(21) January 31, 2002 vs. Cavaliers, 93-92
(22) February 15, 2002 vs. Suns, 97-96

broncocalijohn
12-17-2009, 10:50 AM
You made a bullsh*t claim and got called on it (numerous times by multiple forum members.)

What's not to understand there? :wave:

where is that original post from LEx?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-17-2009, 10:51 AM
where is that original post from LEx?

On an old NBA thread from last season, I believe.

Broncosfreak_56
12-17-2009, 10:53 AM
Kobe is clutch. As much as I hate him, any player who plays like he has (with a broken finger) is pretty amazing.


Hopefully Chauncey comes back soon, he was playing great last night until he got hurt. If he doesn't start, it would be cool if Lawson did. I have a feeling it will be A.C. though. :(

Mr.Meanie
12-17-2009, 10:54 AM
Interesting tidbit: Kobe has now more game-winners than Jordan...

Kobe Bryant game winning shots

(1) 05/10/00 - Lakers 97 - Phoenix 96 (playoffs)
(2) 06/14/00 - Lakers 120 - Pacers 118 (playoffs)
(3) 11/16/00 - Lakers 112 - Kings 110
(4) 02/07/01 - Lakers 85 - Phoenix 83
(5) 02/13/01 - Lakers 113 - Nets 110
(6) 01/02/02 - Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86
(7) 02/22/02 - Lakers 96 - Hornets 94
(8) 05/12/02 - Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (playoffs)
(9) 12/06/02 - Lakers 105 - Dallas 103
(10) 04/04/03 - Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101
(11) 04/06/03 - Lakers 115 - Suns 113
(12) 12/19/03 - Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99
(13) 02/17/04 - Lakers 89 - Blazers 86
(14) 03/21/04 - Lakers 104 - Bucks 103
(15) 04/14/04 - Lakers 105 - Blazers 104
(16) 03/12/05 - Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116
(17) 11/02/05 - Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97
(18) 01/07/06 - Lakers 112 - Clippers 109
(19) 01/13/06 - Lakers 99 - Cavaliers 98
(20) 04/30/06 - Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (playoffs)
(21) 01/14/08 - Lakers 123 - Seattle 121
(22) 12/05/09 - Lakers 108 - Heat 107
(23) 12/16/09 - Lakers 107- Bucks 106


Michael Jordan game winning shots

(1) Nov. 11, 1984 vs. Indiana, 118-116
(2) Dec. 7, 1984 vs. New York, 95-93
(3) April 24, 1985 vs. Milwaukee, 109-107
(4) Nov. 11, 1986 vs. Atlanta, 112-110
(5) Nov. 21, 1986 vs. New York, 101-99
(6) April 15, 1988 vs. New Jersey, 100-99
(7) Feb. 16, 1989 vs. Milwaukee, 117-116
(8) May 7, 1989 vs. Cleveland, 101-100
(9) May 27, 1989 vs. Detroit, 99-97
(10) Nov. 13, 1990 vs. Utah, 84-82
(11) Jan. 22, 1992 vs. Charlotte, 115-112
(12) Nov. 11, 1992 vs. Detroit, 98-96 (OT)
(13) May 17, 1993 vs. Cleveland, 103-101
(14) March 25, 1995 vs. Atlanta, 99-98
(15) Feb. 11, 1997 vs. Charlotte, 103-100
(16) June 1, 1997 vs. Utah, 84-82
(17) February 13, 1998 vs. Atlanta, 112-110
(18) March 22, 1998 vs. Toronto, 102-100
(19) June 14, 1998 vs. Utah, 87-86
(20) December 22, 2001 vs. New York, 87-86
(21) January 31, 2002 vs. Cavaliers, 93-92
(22) February 15, 2002 vs. Suns, 97-96

I would say Kobe's record is only eclipsed by the number of times Lex has been owned on this subject.

lex
12-17-2009, 11:22 AM
You made a bullsh*t claim and got called on it (numerous times by multiple forum members.)

What's not to understand there? :wave:

No. I said something you didnt like and didnt fully understand and youve fallen all over yourself making comparisons that arent fully in line with what was said.

lex
12-17-2009, 11:28 AM
Hey Lex, there was also a game winning shot against Phoenix in 2006...... in the first round of the playoffs. Does that one not count?

I guess, although, like I said, there is a degree of difficulty aspect to the comment made about Lebrons shot. Again, Lebrons was a more difficult shot than the two examples that youve come up with. But like also said last summer, Im not sure Id refer back to that Phoenix series in any way considering that was the series where Kobe disappeared in the second half of the game 7. When I say disappear, I dont mean he didnt make shots, I mean he didnt take shots. The guy scored a lot of points that year shooting around 44%. He was their offense and he just checked out in game 7. Bad. The game 7 overshadows the game 6 youre referring to.

24champ
12-17-2009, 11:31 AM
"I've taken that shot a thousand times," said Bryant, who had 39 points. "It wasn't like the Miami game where it was just luck. I make that shot in my sleep."


:spit:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-17-2009, 11:45 AM
where is that original post from LEx?

Here it is:

No, when has Kobe ever hit a shot like the one Lebron hit in game 2? And its not like Lebron isnt doing his share.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2425190&postcount=2885

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=79699&highlight=buzzer+beater&page=116

That's pretty unequivocal, isn't it?

Either Lex is asserting (via a rhetorical question) that Kobe has never hit a shot like the one LBJ hit in game 2, or, in the unlikely event that his question is not rhetorical, Lex is simply advertising his ignorance re: Kobe Bryant, the Lakers, NBA history, etc.

BTW, this is the post he was responding to:


Just as I've been saying all along: Cavs = overrated.

Not sure the Cavs can get past the Magic - even with all the help they're getting from the refs (calling that clean block on LBJ by Howard a foul at the end was unbelievable! If I were an Orlando fan I'd be livid!)

Guess there will be no "J-O to Lebron" session tonight, eh?

If Cleveland fans were honest with themselves, they would have to admit that they would have rather have had Kobe on the floor for their team at the end of the 4th instead of LBJ.)

Kobe >>> LBJ.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2425126&postcount=2874

Rather prophetic about the Cavs not getting past the Magic if I may say so myself. ;)

lex
12-17-2009, 12:10 PM
Here it is:



http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2425190&postcount=2885

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=79699&highlight=buzzer+beater&page=116

That's pretty unequivocal, isn't it?

Either Lex is asserting (via a rhetorical question) that Kobe has never hit a shot like the one LBJ hit in game 2, or, in the unlikely event that his question is not rhetorical, Lex is simply advertising his ignorance re: Kobe Bryant, the Lakers, NBA history, etc.

BTW, this is the post he was responding to:



Rather prophetic about the Cavs not getting past the Magic if I may say so myself. ;)

Now youre just being a myopic twit. Its partly my fault...I guess. I didnt clarify at that the time that theres more to it than hitting last second shots. I simply responded to all the Faker fans responses and this is what has made you too invested in this rant youve been on. I didnt reallly think it was necessary to clarify or elaborate, especially considering it was a pretty subjective observation to begin with. I would have thought that alone would have been your first clue. Oh well.

24champ
12-17-2009, 12:28 PM
Here it is:



http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2425190&postcount=2885

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=79699&highlight=buzzer+beater&page=116

That's pretty unequivocal, isn't it?

Either Lex is asserting (via a rhetorical question) that Kobe has never hit a shot like the one LBJ hit in game 2, or, in the unlikely event that his question is not rhetorical, Lex is simply advertising his ignorance re: Kobe Bryant, the Lakers, NBA history, etc.

BTW, this is the post he was responding to:



Rather prophetic about the Cavs not getting past the Magic if I may say so myself. ;)


Even Obama applauds your ownage of Lex...


http://threadbombing.com/data/media/22/obama_applause.gif

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-17-2009, 12:56 PM
Now youre just being a myopic twit.

No - that's just you being a dishonest, backpedaling bozo who can't admit he was wrong about something.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-17-2009, 12:57 PM
Even Obama applauds your ownage of Lex...


http://threadbombing.com/data/media/22/obama_applause.gif

:thanku:

broncocalijohn
12-17-2009, 01:05 PM
Now youre just being a myopic twit. Its partly my fault...I guess. I didnt clarify at that the time that theres more to it than hitting last second shots. I simply responded to all the Faker fans responses and this is what has made you too invested in this rant youve been on. I didnt reallly think it was necessary to clarify or elaborate, especially considering it was a pretty subjective observation to begin with. I would have thought that alone would have been your first clue. Oh well.

here is a post, Lex, from last year's thread...

Im still waiting for a better example than the game 2 one 6 years ago when Shaq was as much of an option as Kobe. Its kind of different when the weight is on your shoulders to do it and you still pull the rabbit out of the hat. I cant think of a time when Kobe did that while playing batman and not robin. Until you come up with a better example than 6 years ago, Ive little to worry about.

It doesnt matter if there is another stud on the team. When Shaq was on the Lakers, there is no way he is shooting outside the paint. If Kobe gets the opportunity to make the game winner, he still needs to perform regardless if he is Batman or Robin. That shouldnt be a concern. Is Derik Fisher looked down by you since he is/was the 2nd or 3rd option in those situations.
To me, it seems you tried to cover up by talking about style points on that last second shot. Who cares? If it is clutch and you make it and do it often, you are a stud. Seems you are grasping for not stats, which defines a player, but making the Top 10 on Sportscenter. This is the same thinking of all those Cutlerites that see his golden arm and not his stats. You would totally fit into that crowd......oh wait a second.

BroncoDoug
12-17-2009, 01:30 PM
kobe sucks!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/dave079/Forums/flame_suit.jpg

lex
12-17-2009, 02:42 PM
No - that's just you being a dishonest, backpedaling bozo who can't admit he was wrong about something.

Not really. Youre a myopic twit who latches on the first thought that flashes through his head. You should probably be taking ritalin.

lex
12-17-2009, 02:56 PM
here is a post, Lex, from last year's thread...



It doesnt matter if there is another stud on the team. When Shaq was on the Lakers, there is no way he is shooting outside the paint. If Kobe gets the opportunity to make the game winner, he still needs to perform regardless if he is Batman or Robin. That shouldnt be a concern. Is Derik Fisher looked down by you since he is/was the 2nd or 3rd option in those situations.
To me, it seems you tried to cover up by talking about style points on that last second shot. Who cares? If it is clutch and you make it and do it often, you are a stud. Seems you are grasping for not stats, which defines a player, but making the Top 10 on Sportscenter. This is the same thinking of all those Cutlerites that see his golden arm and not his stats. You would totally fit into that crowd......oh wait a second.

Kobe still needs to hit the shot but being Robin makes it easier in a couple of different ways: 1) Batman gets more attention from the other defense as a first option; 2) There is a different psychology, which is to say there is more pressure on Batman on a night to night basis and also in the pressure moments.

Im not covering anything up. My original observation encompassed that the whole time. That was never discussed because it never occurred to the mouthbreathing leghumpers. Like I said, I discussed the matter in the terms I was presented with and some of it was silly. In the process of that, other aspects of the original observation went unmentioned. But just look at the original observation. It was something that is highly subjective anyway. That right there makes these imaginary victories and chestpounding by some of you amusing. The reaction to the original comment was extremely myopic given that it was subjective.

I havent been watching basketball that often during the past week or so but Ive seen a couple of different times on yahoo that he's hit some last second shots. Good for him. The original assertion was never that he couldnt do it. But also, the original assertion was made about playoff games or high impact games. So, additionally, you guys are making counterpoints to something that never existed to begin with.

broncocalijohn
12-17-2009, 03:03 PM
We already posted the games he won in the playoffs with last second shots.
Plus, with Shaq under the basket, Kobe still needs to dribble down the court and either dish it to Shaq or shoot the ball. Most are covering man to man in that situation. Kobe doesnt have the luxury (if bringing it up the court) to make a Derik Fisher move and shoot it. He needs to make space and be able to not only shoot it, but make the basket with time running out. No difference if it is Batman or Robin.....It is Superman (at least for that game).

Paladin
12-17-2009, 03:19 PM
What can I say? Who gives a F?

lex
12-17-2009, 03:19 PM
We already posted the games he won in the playoffs with last second shots.
Plus, with Shaq under the basket, Kobe still needs to dribble down the court and either dish it to Shaq or shoot the ball. Most are covering man to man in that situation. Kobe doesnt have the luxury (if bringing it up the court) to make a Derik Fisher move and shoot it. He needs to make space and be able to not only shoot it, but make the basket with time running out. No difference if it is Batman or Robin.....It is Superman (at least for that game).

Lets just put it this way: Kobe made a nice play.

broncocalijohn
12-17-2009, 03:29 PM
Lets just put it this way: Kobe made a whole bunch of nice plays.

fixed it for ya.

lex
12-17-2009, 03:57 PM
fixed it for ya.

Why do you have a problem with the idea that Lebrons game winner might be better?

24champ
12-17-2009, 04:20 PM
Jordan still needs to hit the shot but being Robin makes it easier in a couple of different ways: 1) Batman gets more attention from the other defense as a first option; 2) There is a different psychology, which is to say there is more pressure on Batman on a night to night basis and also in the pressure moments.


Fixed. Life is easier with Pippen.

lex
12-17-2009, 05:19 PM
Fixed. Life is easier with Pippen.

LOL. Jordan was never Robin. Not only was Jordan never Robin, the Piston's style of play that won them two Championships was a creation that Chuck Daley came up with after Jordan torched them for 59. Its not like it stopped him, he would still score in the 30s and 40s but try watching Jordan go into the lane against the Pistons or Knicks in those days and making the argument that Jordan was something other than Batman. Wow was it brutal back then. That was when handchecking was allowed too. But it was all a creation due to the existence of Jordan. How does that reconcile with Jordan being robin? LOL. Not only was Jordan never robin but you can maybe even make the case that Pippen was never really batman, even when Jordan was gone...at least where taking the last shot is concerned (remember the Kukoc thing?).

24champ
12-17-2009, 05:41 PM
LOL. Jordan was never Robin.

Sure he was, when Jordan retired the Chicago Bulls shooting percentage was higher after he left for baseball. Then when he was out of games with the Wizards, the team shot higher.


In 1994, Pippen averaged 22 ppg, 8.7 rpg, and 5.6 apg. In 1995, Pippen became only the second player in history (Dave Cowens was the first) to lead his team in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals. Pippen did better without Jordan. Jordan without Pippen? Not so much.

lex
12-17-2009, 06:03 PM
Sure he was, when Jordan retired the Chicago Bulls shooting percentage was higher after he left for baseball. Then when he was out of games with the Wizards, the team shot higher.


In 1994, Pippen averaged 22 ppg, 8.7 rpg, and 5.6 apg. In 1995, Pippen became only the second player in history (Dave Cowens was the first) to lead his team in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals. Pippen did better without Jordan. Jordan without Pippen? Not so much.

Jordan shot .500 on his career and he was a perimeter player. They were coming off a three peat when Jordan retired the first time. You can try to claim the Bulls would have been better off without Jordan during those years but youd have a hard time finding anyone who'll believe your nonsense. Pippen was a good player but he was no Jordan--he's the GOAT. From 91-93 Chicago wins titles with Jordan. Jordan is essentially gone from 94-95, during which time, they dont win titles. Then after Jordan is back (for an entire season), they go on another three peat. And, like I said, the Pistons back to back that preceded the Bulls first three peat is largely attributable to Jordan. Its amazing that youre ignoring this and extrapolating because Pippen had a good statistical season in 94, the Bulls were better off without Jordan. LOL.

Now Ive heard it all.

Jason in LA
12-17-2009, 06:06 PM
So, That's six road games for the fakers?

It all evens out in the end, so your point doesn't mean much.

Jason in LA
12-17-2009, 06:14 PM
Damn, lex is still going on with that BS about Kobe? We all had a great time kicking him in the ass in that thread. You'd think the guy would just give it up. When you're in a hole, stop digging.

lex
12-17-2009, 06:44 PM
Damn, lex is still going on with that BS about Kobe? We all had a great time kicking him in the ass in that thread. You'd think the guy would just give it up. When you're in a hole, stop digging.



Who's in a hole? You guys are amusing,...especially you.

Jason in LA
12-17-2009, 07:18 PM
Who's in a hole? You guys are amusing,...especially you.

It's like you told us that 2+2=5. We repeatedly told you that 2+2=4. But you just don't want to hear it and continue to argue that 2+2=5. What you are arguing is lunacy. I think we're all scratching our heads at your points in this debate. Like, are you dumb or something?

lex
12-17-2009, 07:21 PM
It's like you told us that 2+2=5. We repeatedly told you that 2+2=4. But you just don't want to hear it and continue to argue that 2+2=5. What you are arguing is lunacy. I think we're all scratching our heads at your points in this debate. Like, are you dumb or something?

Where did I say 2+2=5? Are you sure it wasnt a case of you saying an apple and an orange are both the same because they are both fruit?

broncocalijohn
12-17-2009, 09:57 PM
To be fair, every time Kobe makes a buzzer beater to win it, it reminds us Lakers fans of Lex and we bring it up.

Jason in LA
12-18-2009, 08:41 AM
Where did I say 2+2=5? Are you sure it wasnt a case of you saying an apple and an orange are both the same because they are both fruit?

Look at lex being clever. ;D

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-18-2009, 04:04 PM
Not really. Youre a myopic twit who latches on the first thought that flashes through his head. You should probably be taking ritalin.

No.

You were caught dead to rights making an unequivocally false statement.

You were called on that false statement by several posters, and you've been backpedaling and refusing to own up to your mistake ever since.

You are the poster boy for intellectual dishonesty.

OABB
12-18-2009, 05:02 PM
OMFG! LEX! come on buddy, you aren't still doing this are you? I mean really. really?

broncofan2438
12-18-2009, 05:28 PM
Lets Go Nuggs!!!!!!

lex
12-18-2009, 09:00 PM
No.

You were caught dead to rights making an unequivocally false statement.

You were called on that false statement by several posters, and you've been backpedaling and refusing to own up to your mistake ever since.

You are the poster boy for intellectual dishonesty.

Not true. Ive already elaborated. Too bad if you dont like it.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-19-2009, 02:35 PM
Not true. Ive already elaborated. Too bad if you dont like it.

You didn't "elaborate" - you backpedaled and changed your tune after you were called on your bogus claim.

lex
12-19-2009, 09:01 PM
You didn't "elaborate" - you backpedaled and changed your tune after you were called on your bogus claim.

I didnt backpedal at all. The discussion went in the direction it did because thats where you took it and because some of the examples that were being thrown around werent even comparable, aside from that. Nevertheless, like I said, if you look at the original comment and the fact that its subjective, it kind of makes your chest pounding and claims of "calling out" amusing. You interpreted it to mean one thing and provided some examples. Even if you exist in that idea that it was about what you thought, the examples were flawed and thats how the discussion became sidetracked. There was no backtracking. On the other hand, there was you being stupid.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-24-2009, 01:14 AM
I didnt backpedal at all. The discussion went in the direction it did because thats where you took it and because some of the examples that were being thrown around werent even comparable, aside from that. Nevertheless, like I said, if you look at the original comment and the fact that its subjective, it kind of makes your chest pounding and claims of "calling out" amusing. You interpreted it to mean one thing and provided some examples. Even if you exist in that idea that it was about what you thought, the examples were flawed and thats how the discussion became sidetracked. There was no backtracking. On the other hand, there was you being stupid.

:bs:

You made an unequivocally false statement.

When you were called on that statement, you started trying to revise it.

At any rate, your status as the poster boy for intellectual dishonesty is still safe. :thumbsup:

lex
12-24-2009, 01:17 AM
:bs:

You made an unequivocally false statement.

When you were called on that statement, you started trying to revise it.

At any rate, your status as the poster boy for intellectual dishonesty is still safe. :thumbsup:

Uh huh,...sure...ok. LOL

BTW, what was the unequivocally false statement?

enjolras
12-24-2009, 03:18 AM
Ty Lawson == ROY

He was a monster tonite against the Hawks.

:)

RhymesayersDU
12-24-2009, 09:44 AM
Love me some Lawson. He is going to be good. Best draft pick for the Nuggets since Carmelo.

JR Swish going off last night, it's all about his fade.

Paladin
12-24-2009, 09:52 AM
When JR is on, there are very few other players who can match him. The sucker can hit threes from nearly anywhere. Lawson just may be the replacement for Billups the Nuggets will need in a couple of years. Afflalo has been an interesting player, and I think Melo is outdoing himself.

We are seeing them heat up a bit. Next road trip will tell more......

RhymesayersDU
12-24-2009, 09:57 AM
Yeah they need to start playing better on the road if they want a high seed in the playoffs. Big game on Christmas which I am so excited for.

Natedog24
12-24-2009, 04:26 PM
GO FRAIL BLAZERS!! :strong:

24champ
12-25-2009, 01:05 AM
Looking forward to the annual Lakers Christmas game...kick the crap out of Lebron and Snaq!


I love these Muppet commercials.


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enjolras
12-25-2009, 01:50 AM
Yeah they need to start playing better on the road if they want a high seed in the playoffs. Big game on Christmas which I am so excited for.

I need to find a bar that's open. We don't have cable :(

Inkana7
12-26-2009, 12:46 PM
lulz lakers lulz

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-02-2010, 05:00 AM
This one's for lex... Ha!

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-02-2010, 05:04 AM
Looking forward to the annual Lakers Christmas game...kick the crap out of Lebron and Snaq!


I was looking forward to it too.

Too bad the Lakers apparently were not.

Cavs came to play and Lakers decided to take the game off.

The hose job by the refs didn't help (not saying the horrible officiating was the only reason for the loss, by any means.)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-04-2010, 10:17 PM
More crow for lex... Ha!

Three buzzer beating game winners in the last 29 days:
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broncocalijohn
01-04-2010, 10:29 PM
I hope Kobe can sink a few more buzzer beaters this month while Lex is on Mane vacation.

BTW, anyone see Adam Morrison of the Lakers. When you ride the bench a ton and collect splinters, you sometimes get clueless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qwP2jSfHGs&NR=1

Dagmar
01-06-2010, 01:34 PM
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd110/tripl3_a/LeBronJamesFrenchFries.gif

Dagmar
01-06-2010, 10:37 PM
Best haircut in years!

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/36/fullj.879eb3c0f24424a4f18e77856b313bac/879eb3c0f24424a4f18e77856b313bac-getty-90043038dd007_bucks_nets.jpg

broncocalijohn
01-06-2010, 10:41 PM
Best haircut in years!

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/36/fullj.879eb3c0f24424a4f18e77856b313bac/879eb3c0f24424a4f18e77856b313bac-getty-90043038dd007_bucks_nets.jpg

holy sheat! It is Kid from Kid n Play.

Dagmar
01-06-2010, 11:16 PM
holy sheat! It is Kid from Kid n Play.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/3100886921_745f4a8595.jpg

broncocalijohn
01-06-2010, 11:18 PM
maybe it is really play

Dagmar
01-11-2010, 04:45 PM
http://i48.tinypic.com/244r4ib.jpg

RhymesayersDU
01-17-2010, 09:36 PM
This thread needs resurrecting.

Good to have the Nuggies healthy again.

broncofan2438
01-17-2010, 11:27 PM
Great win by the nuggs tonight.
Chuggers loss with a nuggets win.

broncofan2438
01-17-2010, 11:28 PM
Great win by the nuggs tonight.
Chuggers loss with a nuggets win.

enjolras
01-18-2010, 12:30 AM
Ya... this was a really nice win. First time the team has really been together in so long, showed how good they are when that's the case.

RhymesayersDU
01-22-2010, 07:17 AM
Real nice back-to-back wins for the Nuggies. I know the Warriors and Clippers aren't great, but to beat the Warriors in the late game, on the road, in OT, and then come in to Denver late and put it on the Clippers was needed. Saw a stat that the next 11 of 12 games will be against opponents over .500. They'll drop a few, inevitable. That's why the games you're supposed to win matter so much:

All-Star Starters announced:
Dwight Howard
LeBron James
Kevin Garnett
Dwyane Wade
Allen Iverson

Amar'e Stoudemire
Carmelo Anthony
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Steve Nash

I really don't have a huge problem with Iverson, mainly because he's a player who deserves a lifetime achievement type deal. Now had Tracy McGrady made it, I would have been pissed. Maybe that makes me a hypocrite, but McGrady has never warranted a lifetime achievement anything, unless it's an award for most time missed due to injury. Iverson is probably a HOF'er and thus I have lot easier time accepting him as an All-Star this year.

azbroncfan
01-22-2010, 02:19 PM
Since Iverson made the Allstar game I refuse to watch it. It is not a lifetime achievement award it is taking a spot away from a deserving player that has been out playing him. There are a ton of guys that are playing better than him now.

UberBroncoMan
01-22-2010, 02:25 PM
Iverson has ALWAYS been overrated.

****ty FG% all around, and meh assists.

Just a ball hog who takes a **** ton of shots combined with a ton of minutes to get a lot of points.

worm
01-22-2010, 02:30 PM
Congrats on the 25k Kobe!!!

Inkana7
01-22-2010, 03:49 PM
Go Cavs!

RhymesayersDU
01-22-2010, 05:19 PM
Since Iverson made the Allstar game I refuse to watch it. It is not a lifetime achievement award it is taking a spot away from a deserving player that has been out playing him. There are a ton of guys that are playing better than him now.

I certainly agree with you that in a perfect world he shouldn't be in this game. No argument. But for me personally, I can live with it.

Dagmar
01-22-2010, 09:05 PM
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bombay
01-22-2010, 09:43 PM
Who plays in the all star game and who doesn't is of critical importance.

Dagmar
01-23-2010, 03:43 PM
http://i46.tinypic.com/t7y7mq.jpg

Punisher
01-23-2010, 07:58 PM
http://i46.tinypic.com/t7y7mq.jpg

SLAMMA JAMMA BABY!
http://www.eastcountysports.com/main/2008-09/features/photos/MUG-Dick_Vitale.jpg

bombay
01-27-2010, 08:52 PM
Nuggets with a tremendous effort in Houston. JR with maybe his best game overall this season.

orangemonkey
01-27-2010, 08:58 PM
Nuggets with a tremendous effort in Houston. JR with maybe his best game overall this season.
absolutely. The nuggs are playing great ball right now. Glad to see JR bounce back from the attitude issues earlier in the week. Going to be a tough stretch the next week or so.

spdirty
01-27-2010, 09:12 PM
great start to the brutal 10 game stretch.

RhymesayersDU
01-27-2010, 09:18 PM
Yep, real nice win tonight. Nuggies playing some solid ball right now.

Paladin
01-27-2010, 09:20 PM
Who's paying the refs in Houston? That was as poorly officiated game iIhave seen in a long time.....

DBroncos4life
01-27-2010, 09:25 PM
I really don't want the Cavs to make a move at the trade deadline but I think they will. J.J looks like he is getting better but I think he is only being showcased to be traded with Z. If the do trade Z he better be bought out and signed back.

BroncoLifer
01-27-2010, 10:11 PM
Who's paying the refs in Houston? That was as poorly officiated game iIhave seen in a long time.....

I thought so, too. My favorite was the play with about 60 seconds left where Aaron Brooks drove and just shoved his off hand into Nene's chest and the call went against Nene. A Donaghy-type moment.

RhymesayersDU
01-27-2010, 10:16 PM
I really don't want the Cavs to make a move at the trade deadline but I think they will. J.J looks like he is getting better but I think he is only being showcased to be traded with Z. If the do trade Z he better be bought out and signed back.

I'm interested in what the Nuggets will do at the deadline. I'm of the opinion that they're just another big man away from being truly legit.

I know that Laker fan is going to come in here and tell me I'm retarded, and I agree that it's still LA's conference... But I think the Nuggies could at least be competitive with them. But they need another serviceable big.

DBroncos4life
01-27-2010, 10:29 PM
I'm interested in what the Nuggets will do at the deadline. I'm of the opinion that they're just another big man away from being truly legit.

I know that Laker fan is going to come in here and tell me I'm retarded, and I agree that it's still LA's conference... But I think the Nuggies could at least be competitive with them. But they need another serviceable big.

Well Artest doesn't seem to be as good for them as Trevor Ariza. I think the Cavs match up well against them. The Cavs have Powe waiting to get ready to play as well. The problem is if the Cavs bring in a Antawn Jamison or Amare Stoudemire how will it affect the team? On paper it looks better but it doesn't mean they will play better. I would like to see someone knock off the Lakers, I get tired of hearing about them lol.

azbroncfan
01-27-2010, 10:51 PM
The problem is if the Cavs bring in a Antawn Jamison or Amare Stoudemire how will it affect the team? .

It seems to me that everytime this year the Cavs talk about trades but never actually follow through.

DBroncos4life
01-27-2010, 11:00 PM
It seems to me that everytime this year the Cavs talk about trades but never actually follow through.

I don't know the Cavs made the moves for Wallace, Wally Szczerbiak, Joe Smith and Delonte West in 08. They tried pretty hard to get Shaq last year too at the dead line too. I hope its more hype this year but I think James wants another star to play with him so he remains a Cav.

broncofan2438
01-27-2010, 11:29 PM
Great win by the Nuggs. Shorthanded and down by 15 in the 1st.

Go Nuggs

bombay
01-28-2010, 10:26 AM
I'm interested in what the Nuggets will do at the deadline. I'm of the opinion that they're just another big man away from being truly legit.

I know that Laker fan is going to come in here and tell me I'm retarded, and I agree that it's still LA's conference... But I think the Nuggies could at least be competitive with them. But they need another serviceable big.

I don't see someone like Jeff Foster or even Haywood taking minutes from the current rotation. Another big would be great, but I think they need more than 'servicable' if they make a move.

RhymesayersDU
01-28-2010, 06:41 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_/id/12677/who-you-wont-see-in-dallas


That link also goes through the snubs.

The 2009-2010 Eastern All-Stars
* Allen Iverson
* Dwyane Wade
* LeBron James
* Kevin Garnett
* Dwight Howard
Reserves
* Chris Bosh
* Rajon Rondo
* Joe Johnson
* Gerald Wallace
* Paul Pierce
* Derrick Rose
* Al Horford

The 2009-2010 Western All-Stars
* Steve Nash
* Kobe Bryant
* Carmelo Anthony
* Tim Duncan
* Amare Stoudemire
Reserves
* Kevin Durant
* Chris Paul
* Dirk Nowitzki
* Brandon Roy
* Zach Randolph
* Deron Williams
* Pau Gasol

Man-Goblin
01-29-2010, 07:12 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_/id/12677/who-you-wont-see-in-dallas


That link also goes through the snubs.

The 2009-2010 Eastern All-Stars
* Allen Iverson
* Dwyane Wade
* LeBron James
* Kevin Garnett
* Dwight Howard
Reserves
* Chris Bosh
* Rajon Rondo
* Joe Johnson
* Gerald Wallace
* Paul Pierce
* Derrick Rose
* Al Horford

The 2009-2010 Western All-Stars
* Steve Nash
* Kobe Bryant
* Carmelo Anthony
* Tim Duncan
* Amare Stoudemire
Reserves
* Kevin Durant
* Chris Paul
* Dirk Nowitzki
* Brandon Roy
* Zach Randolph
* Deron Williams
* Pau Gasol

Chauncey gets screwed, but really, where could you put him? I'm not a big Deron Williams fan, but he has the stats edge, I guess.

RhymesayersDU
01-29-2010, 10:00 AM
Chauncey gets screwed, but really, where could you put him? I'm not a big Deron Williams fan, but he has the stats edge, I guess.

Exactly. I was discussing this on another forum, and I basically said that while I really wish I could make an argument for Chauncey, I can't. CP3, Deron, and Roy at the guard spots is hard to argue. All are elite guards. Chauncey's having a great year, but it's hard to argue with those guys.

azbroncfan
01-29-2010, 12:11 PM
Chauncey gets screwed, but really, where could you put him? I'm not a big Deron Williams fan, but he has the stats edge, I guess.

Deron is finally getting what has been long due to him.

RhymesayersDU
01-29-2010, 01:07 PM
Indeed, DWill (and Roy for that matter) is a spectacular player who I hate with every fiber in my body. Deserves it.

RhymesayersDU
01-29-2010, 11:26 PM
So everybody is talking about the NFL's labor issues. Well the NBA has a ton going on too. Found this interesting:

5 Reasons why 2010 is more important than 2011

• It's not all about this free-agent class. All we've been hearing about is the importance of the coming summer, when LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and Joe Johnson will be on the market.

But a more ominous date is 2011, as owners and players look ahead to a new collective bargaining agreement that will take effect in 2011-12. Four team executives have told me they're anticipating a hard cap on payrolls, which will clamp down on player salaries and prevent big franchises like the Lakers, Knicks and Celtics from outspending teams from smaller markets.

A hard cap would transform the way teams are assembled. Look at the Lakers, whose payroll of $91.4 million has vaulted them a league-leading $33.7 million above the cap. Try this perspective: If the soft-cap system of today was instantly replaced by a hard cap, the Lakers would no longer be able to afford the salaries of Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum, who are their second- and third-most-expensive players with current salaries of $16.5 million and $12.5 million, respectively. And even their disposal wouldn't be enough: The Lakers would need to slash another $4.8 million to climb under the hard cap. (Goodbye, Luke Walton.)

If, in fact, a hard cap is installed after next season, then it will likely be preceded by a transitional system over a short number of years that will enable contenders like the Lakers to keep the likes of Gasol and Bynum without destroying their roster. After all, it would be self-defeating for the NBA to instantly deconstruct the most popular -- and expensive -- payrolls. Maybe some kind of amnesty will enable a few salaries to be grandfathered in until those preexisting contracts expire.

No one knows for sure what kind of system will result from extended negotiations and a potential lockout of the players in July 2011. Some believe (as you'll see below) that the players will avoid a hard cap, or that other more creative solutions will be applied. But let me repeat this much: I asked executives from four teams what they think they'll be dealing with after next season, and all four predicted a hard cap.

"I really think worst case it will be a hard cap that gets phased in over three years," a GM said.

By "worst case," he's implying that the players shouldn't hope for anything better than a three-year transition. Another senior executive predicts an even more draconian transformation, especially if a failure of negotiations results in a lockout. "Our players don't save money," he said, and so he predicts that a few months without income will force the players to cave in and accept the owners' demands, including an instantaneous reduction in salaries similar to the harsh transformation of the NHL, which was able to get its players to concede to a 24 percent pay cut following the season-long lockout of 2004-05.

"If there's going to be a lockout," he said, "then there's a 99 percent chance there is going to be a hard cap."

• The conversion is already beginning. GMs have been outspoken about the impact of declining league revenues, which have shrunk the salary cap and left teams like the Knicks with less room under the cap to offer free agents such as James or Wade this summer.

But that's only part of the story. As owners look ahead to the new realities of 2011-12, many may no longer be willing to use their cap space on free agents this summer. A contract that appears reasonable today may turn out to be an albatross in the new era of a hard cap.

"Teams might say, 'I don't want to give $15 million to $20 million to one guy because that might lock me out of a hard cap,' " a team executive said. "It could change everything."

James and Wade will get everything they want this summer, because each is clearly an elite player capable of leading a team to the championship. Bosh and Johnson (who are viewed on a level just below James and Wade) are likely to receive max, or near-max, contracts.

But what about the next tier of free agents, which includes Amar'e Stoudemire, Carlos Boozer and Rudy Gay? If you're a team owner who views a hard cap in 2011 as your salvation, are you going to risk an eight-figure salary on a player who isn't likely to carry your team to the championship? If a hard cap is the new reality, then everyone in the league will be taking a new view of player salaries.

"I want to be careful about calling this collusion, because that's illegal," said agent David Bauman, who represents Ron Artest and other players. "But I do think it's being strongly suggested to teams that they should not give out long-term deals because the next CBA is going to look drastically different.''

A prominent example is offered by the case of Jermaine O'Neal, who, in 2003, signed a seven-year, $127 million contract to remain with the Pacers. At that time, the 6-foot-11 O'Neal was a 25-year-old who had played in two All-Star Games and had averaged 20.8 points, 10.3 rebounds and 2.3 blocks in 2002-03. Signing him to that contract was a no-brainer at the time.

But then a new collective bargaining agreement was negotiated, and the economics changed. Now you look at O'Neal's salary -- $23 million in the final season of that contract -- and you wonder what the Pacers were thinking, especially since injuries have robbed him of his big statistical numbers.

If a team signs a player to a five-year contract this summer, four of those years will be paid under the rules of a new CBA starting in 2011-12. That's why owners will be taking the new realities into consideration as they make offers.

Predicted one GM: "In the new deal, $8 million is going to be star-player money."

• We'll see the first influences of the new reality at the trading deadline. While some teams will stay away from making long-term player investments in these uncertain times, other owners will try to exploit it. "There are still two titles to be won [before 2011-12], and certain teams will throw caution to the wind to win them," a team executive said. "If you're the Celtics, are you going to worry about your future? What you're probably going to focus on is the here and now."

That's why the Celtics made a run last month at acquiring Kirk Hinrich, who has three years (including this season) and $26.5 million left on his contract, an outlandish amount for someone who would be Boston's third guard. But he would have resolved all of Boston's backcourt issues while extending its defense, and so the Celtics considered offering spare parts for Hinrich before the Bulls decided they needed a high-quality player or draft pick in the exchange.

Two contenders in particular can be expected to be aggressive while others are receding. "I see two guys who will play heavily in this market -- [Mavericks owner Mark] Cuban and [Cavaliers owner Dan] Gilbert," a GM said.

The Cavs face the possibility of losing LeBron to free agency this summer, which is why they are aggressively pursuing a trade for Wizards power forward Antawn Jamison, a complementary All-Star-level scorer and rebounder who would space the floor for Shaquille O'Neal and make Cleveland the prohibitive favorite in the East. A package of Zydrunas Ilgauskas' expiring contract, young power forward J.J. Hickson, draft picks and $3 million might get it done, but I'm told the Cavs have been reticent -- not so much because Jamison has $40 million over three years left, but more so because they don't want to lose Ilgauskas and his ability to match up with Pau Gasol in a potential NBA Finals against the Lakers.

As for Cuban, it goes without saying that he would approach the trade deadline as an opportunity to grow while other teams are cutting back.

The expiring contracts of Tracy McGrady, Stoudemire or even Bosh might be more valuable in the current market. If the underachieving Wizards are looking to slash payroll and start anew, then a simple move would be to package Jamison and Caron Butler to Houston for McGrady and other considerations -- which would provide the Rockets with two stars while netting Washington with $22.5 million in relief when McGrady's contract expires this summer.

With so many teams offering expiring deals or highly valuable players (like Jamison, Butler or Detroit's Richard Hamilton) who have multiple years on their contracts, it will be interesting to see if the Bulls will be forced to renew negotiations with Boston in order to unload Hinrich's money at the trade deadline.

• Other options. Agent Bill Duffy is among those who believes the NBA won't be able to install a hard cap in 2011-12. "I've heard all of that [speculation]," said Duffy, who represents Yao Ming, Steve Nash and other stars. "If the league tries to go too far with this, then my prediction is the union will disband. If the league is going to try to force a hard cap down the players' throat, then they'll disband the union and file antitrust [lawsuits] against the league."

There are a number of potential solutions to what ails the league. The most creative idea I've heard is to sign players to a percentage of revenues. Let's say not only that a hard cap is installed but also that players are signed not to an outright salary, but instead to a percentage of the team's cap figure.

For example: Instead of signing Stoudemire to $8 million per year, a team would pay him 15 percent of the hard cap each season. Because the cap is based on revenues, then Stoudemire and all other players would make money based on the league's success. I like this idea because the players would be encouraged to police themselves. And, more than ever, they would realize in a highly tangible way that when Gilbert Arenas brings guns into the locker room, he hurts all of them.

Paying each player a percentage of revenues would create a new partnership between NBA players and owners. But it will also be a very hard sell because players obviously won't want to surrender their current right to long-term contracts that are guaranteed, regardless of market conditions.

One GM hopes that the new CBA will do away with max contracts.

"If we do get to a hard cap, I want to get rid of all the stupid rules, like mid-level exceptions and max salaries," he said. "Say the new max is $12 million, which means some team is getting LeBron at $12 million when he is really worth $60 million to their franchise. All that will do is tilt the playing field toward losing more than ever."

In other words, a limit on max salaries will provide further incentive for teams to improve their lottery position in order to acquire a star like James.

"The only way to get a player like LeBron is to get a top-five pick, and the only way to get that kind of pick is by losing," the GM said. "The league is only going to increase the incentive to lose games if you're prevented from paying LeBron more than $10 to $12 million. It's too big of a competitive advantage to the teams that have a player like him."

• Buyouts. "This might be one of the greatest buyout seasons ever," another GM said. "Think about your savings: You have a $10 million player, and you save $800,000 by buying him out so he can go play for a contender. That $800,000 is going to mean a lot to teams these days, especially if you're paying a luxury tax on that guy."

All of this is very fluid, and when you put it together it becomes harder than ever for franchises to choose between trying to win now while planning for the future.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/01/29/countdown.trade.deadline/index.html?eref=sihp

spdirty
01-29-2010, 11:57 PM
Exactly. I was discussing this on another forum, and I basically said that while I really wish I could make an argument for Chauncey, I can't. CP3, Deron, and Roy at the guard spots is hard to argue. All are elite guards. Chauncey's having a great year, but it's hard to argue with those guys.

It kinda sucks, but Chauncey has 3 or 4 all star appearances. He has the ring and the Finals MVP. Took a team in disarray which wasnt even expected to make the playoffs and led them to within 2 games of the NBA Finals. His team has a better record than the other 3 guards teams and is on track to get the same opportunity that he (and we) had last year. I think He'd rather have that.

Plus in time his backup will be going to the game.:thumbsup:

Man-Goblin
01-31-2010, 11:54 AM
Ref actually just said outloud "don't worry Timmy, I got you."

Man-Goblin
01-31-2010, 12:01 PM
JR on fiyaaaaaaaa!!

RhymesayersDU
01-31-2010, 01:32 PM
Real nice road win today for the good guys.

spdirty
01-31-2010, 03:25 PM
Awesome win. KMart was great today.

Whoda thunk we would win 2/3 on a road trip against 3 teams with a winning record all without Melo?

Saw a stat that as of now we are 21-8 against <.500 and 11-7 against >.500 teams.

Need to shore that up starting tomorrow night against the Queens.

24champ
01-31-2010, 05:46 PM
http://i47.tinypic.com/2l92uwz.jpg

Boobs McGee
01-31-2010, 06:32 PM
haha nicely done sir

24champ
01-31-2010, 06:45 PM
haha nicely done sir

Wonder if that was Lex.;D

RhymesayersDU
01-31-2010, 10:40 PM
ESPN reporting Chris Paul will be out month.

Besides the implications for the Hornets, you have to believe Chauncey will replace him on the All Star team.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-01-2010, 12:33 AM
http://i47.tinypic.com/2l92uwz.jpg

Andrew Bynum posterizes KG...

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Watching Wheelchair get pwned by Ron Artest made my Sunday too.

http://www.clublakers.com/images/smilies/ball1.gif

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-01-2010, 12:35 AM
Wonder if that was Lex.;D

Ha! :D

24champ
02-01-2010, 01:23 AM
Watching Wheelchair get pwned by Ron Artest made my Sunday too.

http://www.clublakers.com/images/smilies/ball1.gif

I'm just happy Pierce didn't run over Ron in his electric wheelchair...

24champ
02-01-2010, 01:25 AM
http://i48.tinypic.com/apckyo.jpg

OBF1
02-01-2010, 02:44 AM
nice win today for sure

worm
02-01-2010, 08:50 AM
???

Um, why do you suppose Kobe is almost unanimously considered the best closer in basketball (by pundits and fellow players alike?)

I dont buy it. When I think of Kobe closing, I think of a few years ago when he only scored 4 points in the second half of the last game of their season. And this was in his "best" year scoring. BTW, the "best closer" argument youre trying to make could mean he asserts himself more in the 4th qtr. It doesnt mean he hits do or die shots at the buzzer.


Still gets me rolling every time Kobe proves Lex wrong.

Not sure how anybody can be that obtuse.

RhymesayersDU
02-01-2010, 11:24 AM
Lot of rumors had the Nuggies pursuing Jeff Foster. We can forget those, it's being reported he's done for the year and requiring back surgery.

Inkana7
02-01-2010, 12:14 PM
Sorry guys, but the Celtics just aren't that good.

Boobs McGee
02-01-2010, 12:29 PM
Sorry guys, but the Celtics just aren't that good.

In the fourth quarter especially... I was listening to the game yesterday and there was a stat that said something like outscored 9 out of the last ten games in the fourth? Ouch.

Boobs McGee
02-01-2010, 12:32 PM
I'll say this, NUGGS are playing some inspired ball right now. only 4 games back I think? possibly five? Maybe Melo should just sit out the rest of the year ;D I just can't get over how effing amazing chauncey is. That guy is the best kind of glue known to man, AND, I'm glad to see my boy afflalo having such a great season. UCLA represent baby!!!

Inkana7
02-01-2010, 06:23 PM
In the fourth quarter especially... I was listening to the game yesterday and there was a stat that said something like outscored 9 out of the last ten games in the fourth? Ouch.

Not just in the 4th. Just not good period. The Big 3 are old, and it's showing. Garnett has one leg and blows. They're just not good. Rajon Rondo is now their best player.

Man-Goblin
02-01-2010, 06:45 PM
Not just in the 4th. Just not good period. The Big 3 are old, and it's showing. Garnett has one leg and blows. They're just not good. Rajon Rondo is now their best player.

Slow down. Pierce is still a borderline top 10 player in the league, and Allen can still be an assassin. You're correct in the fact that Garnett is hobbled, though, and the Sheed signing is starting to look like a disaster.

But I bet they make a move before the deadline. There's really only four teams worth a damn in the East anyway, so they should be fine.

Dagmar
02-01-2010, 08:14 PM
Nuggets getting pummelled 64 - 50 at home. :(

Dagmar
02-01-2010, 09:00 PM
Nuggets leading 80 - 78! Good half so far then!

DBruleU
02-01-2010, 09:05 PM
I love how this team comes back from massive deficits at half.

spdirty
02-01-2010, 09:44 PM
Geez. If they lose this game it totally destroys what they did yesterday.

zms325i
02-01-2010, 09:54 PM
What a gutty win.

Paladin
02-01-2010, 10:50 PM
Lakers lost. To the Grizzleys.

RhymesayersDU
02-01-2010, 10:52 PM
AFFLALO rules.

Paladin
02-01-2010, 10:54 PM
AFFLALO rules.

I like him He's an unsung hero at this point, but I like him far better than Dahntay Jones. Cool player.....

spdirty
02-02-2010, 08:32 AM
What a gutty win.

Well every time we play the damn Kings they look like a friggin division winner. And you wonderr how in the hell they're 16-31.

RhymesayersDU
02-03-2010, 07:27 AM
Well every time we play the damn Kings they look like a friggin division winner. And you wonderr how in the hell they're 16-31.

You know what helps keep me sane? I tell myself that last year, the Bobcats beat the Lakers 3 times I think. And they're terrible.

It's just one of those things. It happens.

BroncoLifer
02-03-2010, 12:16 PM
You know what helps keep me sane? I tell myself that last year, the Bobcats beat the Lakers 3 times I think. And they're terrible.

It's just one of those things. It happens.

Can't be. West teams only play East teams twice.

Edit: Looked it up -- Charlotte beat LA in both meetings last year.

broncofan2438
02-03-2010, 05:24 PM
Get a big Win tonight Nuggs. Hopefully Melo is playing and the defense plays better.

Go Nuggs

RhymesayersDU
02-03-2010, 09:49 PM
Can't be. West teams only play East teams twice.

Edit: Looked it up -- Charlotte beat LA in both meetings last year.

Well my point still stands, sort of. For whatever reason, certain teams match up well or just bring their games against other teams.

LA should have never lost to Charlotte last year... at least not at home. And before Laker fan comes to flame me, I'm not bagging on the Champs. I'm just saying, it happens.

Man-Goblin
02-03-2010, 10:27 PM
Carmelo hasn't played since he set the wedding date to LaLa. I'm worried.

RhymesayersDU
02-03-2010, 10:30 PM
I remember watching the game he got hurt in. He rolled his ankle pretty bad. Hopefully he gets well soon.

Man-Goblin
02-03-2010, 10:32 PM
Good that they are being cautious. Maybe he's just waiting to unleash the fury on Friday.

Man-Goblin
02-03-2010, 10:37 PM
I don't get the Kobe puppet commercials. I mean, the puppet looks nothing like him. Doesn't sound like him, and has a much more outgoing personality. The only thing the puppet and Kobe have in common is that I hate them both.

RhymesayersDU
02-03-2010, 11:27 PM
Oh man, couldn't disagree more. I love the puppets.

azbroncfan
02-04-2010, 07:02 AM
Rhymes we are catching up on you guys slowly. Don't think we will catch the Nuggets but the Jazz are on their typical hot streak in the middle of the season.

RhymesayersDU
02-04-2010, 07:06 AM
Rhymes we are catching up on you guys slowly. Don't think we will catch the Nuggets but the Jazz are on their typical hot streak in the middle of the season.

Oh dude you don't have to tell me that. Jazz have been quietly playing some good ball. I certainly keep up with the stats. The Jazz were kind of left for dead, with the Nuggies finally playing well last year and Portland coming up too. But the Jazz are going out and beating some people.

Nuggies need Melo back asap.

zms325i
02-05-2010, 11:02 PM
That was a he'll of a game. What three point shooting!! Go nuggs!!

SureShot
02-05-2010, 11:04 PM
Nuggets own Lakers. Outscored by 41 in two games.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
02-05-2010, 11:19 PM
^ Not sure about the "owning" part, but congrats to Denver - they definitely deserved the win.

That was the most pathetic defensive effort I've ever seen by the Lakers.

Kobe, Bynum, and Artest are playing injured, but that's no excuse for other guys not to step up.

Boobs McGee
02-05-2010, 11:27 PM
We got straight ****ing OWNED tonight. I was actually hoping chauncey was gonna go for the record after that third quarter three point ignition.


Well done nuggies, it's gonna be another battle for the west this year!!
It's cool, finally having a solid rivalry every year with my two favorite nba teams.

p.s. nene is still a little b****.


and p.P.s., is brown still gonna be in the dunk contest?

spdirty
02-05-2010, 11:29 PM
126 points at LA without melo. Hell of an effort.

Thats 2 blowout wins against em.

broncofan2438
02-05-2010, 11:33 PM
Love my nuggets!!! Great game. Can't wait to see this team play like this with melo

Boobs McGee
02-05-2010, 11:47 PM
126 points at LA without melo. Hell of an effort.

Thats 2 blowout wins against em.

and we have the best home record in the NBA. THATS the crazy part.

kudos again.


where the **** did the birdman's hair go? He looked like a pedo trying out for some 70's porn with that haircut / stache combo.

24champ
02-06-2010, 12:26 AM
Congrats to the Nuggets. Great effort, unfortunately the Lakers did not care about this game whatsoever.

^ Not sure about the "owning" part, but congrats to Denver - they definitely deserved the win.

That was the most pathetic defensive effort I've ever seen by the Lakers.

Kobe, Bynum, and Artest are playing injured, but that's no excuse for other guys not to step up.

I'm tired of seeing other teams rain threes on us. Time for Fisher to go to the bench or go all together. The Sasha experiment isn't working out, time for him to go as well. Farmar isn't real impressive lately either.


Bring in Hinrich, would be just what the doctor ordered.

azbroncfan
02-06-2010, 05:15 AM
Nuggets own Lakers. Outscored by 41 in two games.

If it means anything the Jazz owned the Bulls in the 96-97 regular seasons unitl the playoffs rolled around. Either way the Nuggets should have some confidence playing them.

Orange4Life
02-06-2010, 10:43 AM
Nice win for the nuggs last night. Damnit!
Good thing they got the win for the split on this road trip last night because you won't be getting a win tonight

sixtimeseight
02-06-2010, 11:28 AM
Yeah, you just know the Nuggets can't beat the Jazz, especially at home.

Oh wait.

http://www.nba.com/games/20100102/DENUTA/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

http://www.nba.com/games/20100117/UTADEN/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

Oops

Orange4Life
02-06-2010, 11:47 AM
This isn't the same Jazz team that the Nugs played last month. Both teams played well in the last game at the Pepsi Center. Nugs just played a little better

Paladin
02-06-2010, 11:52 AM
The team chemistry will be tipped again when Melo comes back. I would hope the other guys would just keep on playing hard and with verve and elan when Melo returns, and that Melo can fit into the new schemes.

I don't give a hoot if the Lakers "didn't give a care about that game whatsoever". They flat got banged. And all those injured guys, Wow. And Denver didn't have any injured guys? And Melo not there? That game was as much a statement about beating up the arrogant, "entitled" bully as anything else.

The game tonigh t should be interesting. Jerry Sloan has been coaching the same game since Moses brought the rules to BB down from Sinai.

Orange4Life
02-06-2010, 06:56 PM
Too bad Billups is out tonight. However the Nugs have won in SLC without Mello and Billups so it should still be a good game.

azbroncfan
02-06-2010, 10:35 PM
Yeah, you just know the Nuggets can't beat the Jazz, especially at home.

Oh wait.

http://www.nba.com/games/20100102/DENUTA/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

http://www.nba.com/games/20100117/UTADEN/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

Oops

sixtimeseight with the regular season sh!t talking. Why don't you tell us how great your ABA nuggets were and the stars were crap and never won anything? Wait you tried that and it blew up in your face just like your fake wagering ticket you were exposed on. oh well you have 2000K and a nuggets ABA title in your own mind and getting exposed on that after you initiated the sh@t talking is why you have me on ignore.

Paladin
02-06-2010, 10:54 PM
sixtimeseight with the regular season **** talking. Why don't you tell us how great your ABA nuggets were and the stars were crap and never won anything? Wait you tried that and it blew up in your face just like your fake wagering ticket you were exposed on. oh well you have 2000K and a nuggets ABA title in your own mind and getting exposed on that after you initiated the sh@t talking is why you have me on ignore.

ABA? Jeezus. You carry a grudge or something? The Nuggets were fun to watch in the old ABA days. They did have a couple of pretty good players, and they did play some very good games. The ABA was fun. But to get all bent out of shape about them either way - good pr bad - is just sort of dumb.

But it is your snit. Carry on.....

azbroncfan
02-07-2010, 06:28 AM
ABA? Jeezus. You carry a grudge or something? The Nuggets were fun to watch in the old ABA days. They did have a couple of pretty good players, and they did play some very good games. The ABA was fun. But to get all bent out of shape about them either way - good pr bad - is just sort of dumb.

But it is your snit. Carry on.....

No it was more to do with 6X8 and his regular season crap talking which means nothing in reality. Last night was a good game and congrads to the Jazz for keeping there season streak alive of never been swept by the Nuggets.

broncswin
02-07-2010, 06:58 AM
This isn't the same Jazz team that the Nugs played last month. Both teams played well in the last game at the Pepsi Center. Nugs just played a little better

It will be fun to see them both play when their healthy...I think they could be on a collision course in the playoffs:thumbs:

RhymesayersDU
02-07-2010, 09:23 AM
Good game last night, all things considered. Going into the weekend I figured that it was going to be two losses on the back to back with LA and Utah.

The Nuggies got a split, so I'm happy. The Jazz are playing real well, as much as it kills me to say it. Although losing the season series 3-1 may come back to haunt them.

I thought the Nuggies fought hard considering they had two All-Stars on the bench. Is Ty Lawson the future or what? Love this guy.

ro_50
02-07-2010, 09:30 AM
Good game last night, all things considered. Going into the weekend I figured that it was going to be two losses on the back to back with LA and Utah.

The Nuggies got a split, so I'm happy. The Jazz are playing real well, as much as it kills me to say it. Although losing the season series 3-1 may come back to haunt them.

I thought the Nuggies fought hard considering they had two All-Stars on the bench. Is Ty Lawson the future or what? Love this guy.

Gotta give the Nuggets prop for their impressive play this season. Injuries aside, they are still within good distance of catching the Lakers for the top spot and can beat them in the playoffs if they are on their game.

This Nuggets team is better than last year (I know it's early) but adding Lawson helps this team because they can at an even faster tempo and Afalo is better than D. Jones.


What they did to the Lakers and my sagging Spurs last Sunday was impressive, especially without Melo.

Orange4Life
02-07-2010, 11:10 AM
Nuggets fought pretty hard last night. No Mello and Billups but I didn't feel sorry for them after the last game they played against us without those two. I'm developing a hatred for affalo.

The Jazz are going to be real tough to beat as long as AK keeps playing like he did five years ago. I never thought we would see this kind of play out of him again. I just hope in continues....

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 07:01 PM
Melo is back tonight! No KMart but everyone else is fit!

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 08:42 PM
90 - 60 Nuggets with 3 minutes left in the the 3rd!

RhymesayersDU
02-09-2010, 08:56 PM
Yeah, Nuggies ripping the Mavs right now.

Somewhere, Kenyon Martin's mom and Mark Cuban are getting into a fist fight.

Dagmar
02-09-2010, 09:00 PM
Yeah, Nuggies ripping the Mavs right now.

Somewhere, Kenyon Martin's mom and Mark Cuban are getting into a fist fight.

And dramallama is crying.

sixtimeseight
02-09-2010, 09:28 PM
predictably, mcfa.ggot or whatever he calls himself now is nowhere to be found. much like after the nugs/mavs series last year. or countless playoff chokes before that.

Paladin
02-09-2010, 10:10 PM
Damm, The Nuggets just tore the Mavs up. Everyone got into the act. I thought the refs just refused to buy into Dirt's constant whining for a foul. And he got stripped.

Couple this with the SA game last night. Timmy Duncan just ain't what he used to be. I can see the Spurts on the clear downslide, the Mavs on the downslide and the Suns coming up a bit more. A couple of the other teams are looking better and the center of gravity in the west begins to shift.

But the Nuggets looked really good tonight.....

broncofan2438
02-09-2010, 11:53 PM
Yup, nice to see the starters sit the 4th qtr on the bench. The bench players really played well tonight and it should be nice to see Nene and Martin get some rest over this All Star Break.

Go Nuggs

azbroncfan
02-11-2010, 11:03 AM
Hey What is going on with KMART? I need him to play tonight for my fantasy team. He had been playing quite well for awhile. Any locals know what the deal is with him?

Dagmar
02-11-2010, 11:12 AM
Hey What is going on with KMART? I need him to play tonight for my fantasy team. He had been playing quite well for awhile. Any locals know what the deal is with him?


Martin, however, sat out Tuesday because of tendinitis in his left knee and his status is uncertain.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gamecenter/preview/NBA_20100211_SA@DEN/spursnuggets-preview

broncofan2438
02-11-2010, 12:42 PM
Lets Go Nuggs!!! Do the same thing to the Spurs that you did two nights ago

DBroncos4life
02-11-2010, 08:59 PM
How about them Cavs!?! Please, please do not trade Hickson, if you do the person coming back better be young.

RhymesayersDU
02-11-2010, 09:15 PM
I think the All-Star Game got the Swine Flu or something. Players dropping like flies.

Carmelo and Chauncey will represent though.

DBroncos4life
02-11-2010, 09:36 PM
It kind of sounds like the Cavs are giving Hickson and Wally's contract to the Pacers for Troy Murphy. The deal might include the Cavs first round pick as well. I guess that is what Chris Weber was hinting at. Is Wally Szerbiak really making 10 million dollars to do nothing but sign and traded? I have seen three team trade rumors that include Cleavland, Washington and Indiana as well. Those trade rumors don't have the Cavs giving up JJ. They have Big Z instead. As long as he can be bought out and resigned I guess I could live with that.

I don't know much about Murphy though but he is younger then Jamison which makes me happier about the possibility of losing J.J. I really don't want the Cavs to make any move though.

RhymesayersDU
02-11-2010, 10:05 PM
Looks like 'Melo is more concerned with getting to Dallas ASAP than winning tonight.

Very frustrating.

Dagmar
02-11-2010, 10:39 PM
Looks like 'Melo is more concerned with getting to Dallas ASAP than winning tonight.

Very frustrating.

Just came in to post similar.

Dagmar
02-11-2010, 10:45 PM
That was awesome JR, a little bit too little too late.

Man-Goblin
02-12-2010, 10:52 AM
Fresh off the great effort last night, Karl gets an extension. But it's only 1 year, for all you haters.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4908474

Inkana7
02-12-2010, 11:04 AM
It kind of sounds like the Cavs are giving Hickson and Wally's contract to the Pacers for Troy Murphy. The deal might include the Cavs first round pick as well. I guess that is what Chris Weber was hinting at. Is Wally Szerbiak really making 10 million dollars to do nothing but sign and traded? I have seen three team trade rumors that include Cleavland, Washington and Indiana as well. Those trade rumors don't have the Cavs giving up JJ. They have Big Z instead. As long as he can be bought out and resigned I guess I could live with that.

I don't know much about Murphy though but he is younger then Jamison which makes me happier about the possibility of losing J.J. I really don't want the Cavs to make any move though.

Wally Szczerbiak is not on Cleveland's roster.

DBroncos4life
02-12-2010, 12:15 PM
Wally Szczerbiak is not on Cleveland's roster.
The Cavs have the rights to his expiring contract or bird rights.

http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/People/Athletes/NBA/Wally+Szczerbiak
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/?p=7878

24champ
02-16-2010, 10:47 PM
http://www.gq.com/images/entertainment/2010/03/kobe-bryant/kobe-bryant07-art.jpg

puffy, swollen, crooked, it hurts just to look at. It's three different shades of purple and five kinds of black. He can't bend it, can't wiggle it, can't even make it twitch. He arrives at this private airport carrying it slightly away from himself, like a wounded bird.

How does it feel?

"Sore," he says, frowning.

The game against Dallas is in two hours. He broke the finger last month, playing Minnesota. Right away he knew it was bad. He left the court and headed straight to the X-ray room. Avulsion fracture, they said. Oh man. He'd heard those words before, but never about the index finger. We been through a lot of sh*t, the head trainer told him, but if you can play with this? That's some sh*t. Bryant laughed. Tape it up, he saidólet's go. Then he walked back on the court and, playing mostly left-handed, finished with twenty points.

"If you're afraid to fail, then you're probably going to fail," he says, laughing. "You know what I mean? (bleep) it."

http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201003/kobe-bryant

Boobs McGee
02-17-2010, 01:04 PM
:notworthy

Man-Goblin
02-17-2010, 01:13 PM
puffy, swollen, crooked, it hurts just to look at. It's three different shades of purple and five kinds of black. He can't bend it, can't wiggle it, can't even make it twitch. He arrives at this private airport carrying it slightly away from himself, like a wounded bird.

How does it feel?

"Sore," he says, frowning.

Kobe, give it a rest, man. We heard enough about your ding dong in 2003.

ColoradoBuff
02-17-2010, 04:11 PM
Kobe, give it a rest, man. We heard enough about your ding dong in 2003.

:giggle:

Inkana7
02-17-2010, 04:55 PM
Early reports have Jamison going to the Cavs.

DBroncos4life
02-17-2010, 05:02 PM
Early reports have Jamison going to the Cavs.

and Sebastian Telfair for Big Z and the Cavs first round pick.

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

Big Z better be coming back.

RhymesayersDU
02-17-2010, 06:21 PM
Great trade for the Cavs, I like Jamison a ton better than I like Amare.

DBroncos4life
02-17-2010, 06:32 PM
Great trade for the Cavs, I like Jamison a ton better than I like Amare.

I like it because we really give up nothing if Z comes back and not having to give up Hickson is a plus. I don't like his age and contract as well as Amare's though.

RhymesayersDU
02-17-2010, 06:35 PM
I like it because we really give up nothing if Z comes back and not having to give up Hickson is a plus. I don't like his age and contract as well as Amare's though.

Well the Z thing will be interesting. I read that the Clips would hold onto Z for the remainder of the season, whereas Phoenix would have bought him out right away. That's an interesting dynamic there.

DBroncos4life
02-17-2010, 06:45 PM
Well the Z thing will be interesting. I read that the Clips would hold onto Z for the remainder of the season, whereas Phoenix would have bought him out right away. That's an interesting dynamic there.

I heard that as well. It would be painful to see the Cavs win it all without Big Z there. Some Cavs fans don't think that Cleveland is done trading yet. Some of them still think the Cavs will get Corey Maggette at the dead line. Seems to be over kill to me.

broncofan2438
02-17-2010, 07:42 PM
Nuggs just are not gonna make a move I guess....
They better do something if they want anything to do with the Finals this year.
Other good teams are just getting better

Man-Goblin
02-17-2010, 07:56 PM
Nuggs just are not gonna make a move I guess....
They better do something if they want anything to do with the Finals this year.
Other good teams are just getting better

It sucks. The Chauncey window is closing fast.

I truly think they're just one big man away. Haywood, or Camby if he's not cherry-picking for blocks, would have been perfect.

ColoradoBuff
02-18-2010, 11:11 AM
Thomas to the Bobcats

ludo21
02-18-2010, 11:12 AM
Good move by the Cavs. Jamison will fit in nicely there. May not be the superstar Amare is, but he will fill that PF role nicely.

ColoradoBuff
02-18-2010, 11:32 AM
McGrady deal done too

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4924836

montrose
02-18-2010, 12:34 PM
Just heard Boston is getting Nate Robinson for Eddie House and others.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2010, 12:56 PM
McGrady deal done too

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4924836

Knicks are making a HUGE risk here. They really need to get Bron Plus Wade/Bosh. Otherwise they just set back the franchise another god knows how many years.

But the knicks can offer something to these guys thats truly unique. So you never know

Man-Goblin
02-18-2010, 01:05 PM
Knicks are making a HUGE risk here. They really need to get Bron Plus Wade/Bosh. Otherwise they just set back the franchise another god knows how many years.

But the knicks can offer something to these guys thats truly unique. So you never know

Don't they still have to rid themselves of the god awful Curry contract to sign two max guys? McGrady's $22 mil doesn't seem like it would be enough...

SonOfLe-loLang
02-18-2010, 01:43 PM
Don't they still have to rid themselves of the god awful Curry contract to sign two max guys? McGrady's $22 mil doesn't seem like it would be enough...

Nope, they got rid of Jefferies awful contract, that'll free up enough cash for two max guys. Curry is irrelevant at this point

azbroncfan
02-18-2010, 08:09 PM
Good move by the Cavs. Jamison will fit in nicely there. May not be the superstar Amare is, but he will fill that PF role nicely.

Yeah but the Cavs are beating the crap out of the Denver pretty good. Well they were starting to then Denver got a nice little run to make a game with 6 min left.

RhymesayersDU
02-18-2010, 08:14 PM
Nuggies have had a terrible 2nd half, sadly. They were winning the entire 1st half. Cavs will probably pull this out at home, but huge shot by JR just now to tie it.

RhymesayersDU
02-18-2010, 08:32 PM
GREAT game we got going. Go Nuggets.

RhymesayersDU
02-18-2010, 08:35 PM
Gah, two very poor Nuggets possessions. Would have liked a timeout just then. Overtime.

azbroncfan
02-18-2010, 08:55 PM
That was a great game.

RhymesayersDU
02-18-2010, 08:56 PM
Holy crap, the Nuggets tried so hard to give that game back.

GREAT SHOT CARMELO!

Paladin
02-18-2010, 09:08 PM
Why won't the refs call James and Fatarsed shaq for charging?

Man-Goblin
02-18-2010, 09:19 PM
That game was pretty damn awesome. We even got the Melo v Lebron last shot that should have taken place at the end of regulation.

spdirty
02-19-2010, 12:03 AM
Knicks are making a HUGE risk here. They really need to get Bron Plus Wade/Bosh. Otherwise they just set back the franchise another god knows how many years.

But the knicks can offer something to these guys thats truly unique. So you never know

Theyre a dog**** team thats freeing up cap space for a massive free agent market. How is that taking a "huge risk?" You know another better way they can get competitive by next year?

spdirty
02-19-2010, 12:08 AM
Damn good game tonight. And nice to see Boston beat LA.

Inkana7
02-19-2010, 07:00 AM
Good game by the Nuggets last ngith. We couldn't defend for ****. I'm excited to see Jamison tonight against Charlotte.

Punisher
02-19-2010, 07:28 AM
Go lakers!

broncswin
02-19-2010, 08:28 AM
nice win nuggs...that was a great battle between two of the best...we are for real, as long as Kmart keeps doing what he's doing...

ColoradoBuff
02-19-2010, 08:33 AM
great game last nite by the Nugs!

bfoflcommish
02-19-2010, 08:53 AM
glad the nuggs won but officiating is so BS. chauncy gets called when bron runs into him, but when melo drove that final minute bron bumped him twice and varejoa i think it was hacked him...nothing...luckily he stil made the shot. also when the guy bimpued chauncy out of bounds no call etc......its amazing what some teams get away with...and how do the nuggs not get calls like that when we are one of the best teams in the nba?

broncofan2438
02-19-2010, 09:19 AM
glad the nuggs won but officiating is so BS. chauncy gets called when bron runs into him, but when melo drove that final minute bron bumped him twice and varejoa i think it was hacked him...nothing...luckily he stil made the shot. also when the guy bimpued chauncy out of bounds no call etc......its amazing what some teams get away with...and how do the nuggs not get calls like that when we are one of the best teams in the nba?

I really agree that the officiating was crap last night. I think it goes both ways though. I noticed that maybe Lebron should have got a call, but it is what it is. Nuggs won. Great game. People say game of the year so far.

Go Nuggs

DBroncos4life
02-19-2010, 10:50 AM
It just wasn't the same without Z there. Fun game overall. 23-50 from the FT line for the Cavs is piss poor though. I can't wait to see Jamison in the line up.

ludo21
02-19-2010, 10:52 AM
Z was the Cavs for so long. Lebron got him shipped, good going ;D

TonyR
02-19-2010, 11:21 AM
Don't Count Out The Nuggets
By Brian Windhorst
Special to ESPN.com
CLEVELAND -- The Lakers are regarded as the heavy favorite to win the Western Conference, and the Utah Jazz are regarded as its hottest team at the moment. But the Nuggets served a reminder Thursday why no one should be discounting their chances to win the West or the whole thing this season.

Stepping into Quicken Loans Arena, where the Cavs had won 11 in a row and were riding a 13-game winning streak overall, the Nuggets defeated the NBA-best Cavs 118-116 in overtime. It was the second time since the new year the Nuggets have beaten the Cavs, who are a sizzling 28-5 over their past 33 games. The Nuggets have also won in Utah and in Los Angeles against the Lakers, another team they have beaten twice this season, since Jan. 1.

Denver did it despite absorbing a 43-point, 13-rebound, 15-assist game from LeBron James. The Cavs had been undefeated when shooting 50 percent or better from the field and had been 33-1 when scoring 100 points. Both of those trends fell by the wayside when Carmelo Anthony drained a 20-footer with 1.9 seconds left.

"It was a great win for us," said Chauncey Billups, who had 18 points. "This is an unbelievable way to start the second half of the season."

The Cavs are 4-1 against the Magic, Celtics and Hawks in the East. With the exception of the Nuggets, the Cavs are 10-2 against the top eight teams in the West. But the Nuggets have gotten them twice, both by two-point margins, to send a message.

Denver has had its share of bad losses -- home defeats to the 76ers and Timberwolves being at the top of the list -- but if the Nuggets somehow see the Cavs in the Finals, they may have a nice advantage.

The Cavs have one of the best big-man rotations in the league, led by Shaquille O'Neal. But the Cavs have trouble dealing with Kenyon Martin's quickness to the glass and Chris Andersen's activity. Martin had 19 points and 12 rebounds in the win in Denver and 18 points and 17 rebounds Thursday.

Billups, who knows the Cavs well from his Pistons days, has sliced up the Cavs in pick-and-roll offense, averaging 20.5 points in the two games.

"We seem to play with a little more pizzazz when we play the good teams," Nuggets coach George Karl said. "We talked about being able to turn up the seriousness and to tune up every game having a value."

Brian Windhorst covers the Cavs for the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100218/daily-dime

spdirty
02-24-2010, 08:43 PM
This would be nice.


http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_14463121

The Nuggets are making a strong push to acquire coveted big man Zydrunas Ilgauskas, who will likely be bought out by the Washington Wizards soon.


"There hasn't been a day go by that I haven't heard from Mark (Warkentien, the Nuggets vice president of basketball operations)," said Herb Rudoy, Ilgauskas' agent. "He had a great relationship with 'Z' (back in Cleveland). Mark has been very aggressive to convince me to convince 'Z'."


Ilgauskas is currently at his home in New York City, waiting to hear what happens next. He was traded by Cleveland near the trade deadline to the Wizards. And the plan is for the former all-star center to get bought out of his contract so he can sign with a contender.


"He wants to win a championship," Rudoy said.

The Nuggets have a coveted facet to this deal, too — the biannual exception, which pays a player $1.99 million. That's what Denver would use on the center, if the center agrees to sign with Nuggets, the No. 2 team in the Western Conference.


The Washington Post reported that the 34-year-old Ilgauskas could land in Dallas, Utah, Atlanta or back in Cleveland. If he signs with a team by March 1, he can be on the playoff roster, which is obviously the plan.


Rudoy said a decision could happen within the next week as his client feels out all the possibilities.


"He has a lot emotionally invested," the agent said.


The 7-foot-3 big man averages 7.5 points and 5.3 rebounds this season.

Benjamin Hochman: 303-954-1294 or bhochman@denverpost.com

Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_14463121#ixzz0gW1vh7bq

azbroncfan
02-27-2010, 12:04 PM
Is there any bigger pussy in the league than KMart? This guy is always hurt and killing my fantasy team. If I bench him he scores 30 plus pts for the week then I put him in the lineup and hurt, bench him again and process starts all over again.

ludo21
02-27-2010, 12:32 PM
The Suns are playing well. Down the stretch it should get interesting with the bottom half of the Western race tightens up

RhymesayersDU
02-27-2010, 01:31 PM
Is there any bigger p***Y in the league than KMart? This guy is always hurt and killing my fantasy team. If I bench him he scores 30 plus pts for the week then I put him in the lineup and hurt, bench him again and process starts all over again.

It's really not him or his pain tolerance. It's just that with microfracture surgery on both knees, the trainers always have to be super cautious with him.

azbroncfan
02-28-2010, 08:31 AM
It's really not him or his pain tolerance. It's just that with microfracture surgery on both knees, the trainers always have to be super cautious with him.

Lucky for me this pu$$ didn't cost me because I had Randolph 31 pts/25 boards and D.Will 35/13/8/4 3's go off for 58 and 61 pts last night to make up for busted up hack Martin.

Bronco X
02-28-2010, 08:53 AM
Lucky for me this pu$$ didn't cost me because I had Randolph 31 pts/25 boards and D.Will 35/13/8/4 3's go off for 58 and 61 pts last night to make up for busted up hack Martin.

The Nuggets haven't lost with him out this time. That means there was ZERO consequences to him being out. There's one person in the entire universe who gives a crap about your fantasy team and it'd be that much less idiotic if there was zero.

azbroncfan
02-28-2010, 09:27 AM
The Nuggets haven't lost with him out this time. That means there was ZERO consequences to him being out. There's one person in the entire universe who gives a crap about your fantasy team and it'd be that much less idiotic if there was zero.

Not that I care about the nuggets and I still stand behind my statement that Martin is a Pu$$ but they did lose to the spurs not to long ago without him. Besides who did they beat with him out? It's not like he is a big piece to the puzzle he is a garbage player who gets rebounds and put backs. As much as I hate the Lakers I just don't see the Nuggets giving them much of a series and it will probably be just like last year. Nuggets will get a win or two to give fans hope and LA will beat them down when it comes down to getting it done.

BTW badass the nuggets are 2-4 this year when Martin doesn't play so you can go try and suck your dink to keep you from saying stupid sh$t.

RMT
02-28-2010, 10:20 AM
I've got a set of 4 Club Level (section 214) tix to the Wizards/Nuggets game on Tuesday, March 16.

Asking $100 for the entire set ($25/ticket). PM me if interested.

RhymesayersDU
02-28-2010, 11:24 AM
Not that I care about the nuggets and I still stand behind my statement that Martin is a Pu$$ but they did lose to the spurs not to long ago without him. Besides who did they beat with him out? It's not like he is a big piece to the puzzle he is a garbage player who gets rebounds and put backs. As much as I hate the Lakers I just don't see the Nuggets giving them much of a series and it will probably be just like last year. Nuggets will get a win or two to give fans hope and LA will beat them down when it comes down to getting it done.

BTW badass the nuggets are 2-4 this year when Martin doesn't play so you can go try and suck your dink to keep you from saying stupid sh$t.

So hilariously stupid, this entire post. But I remember arguing with you a year or two ago when you said Carmelo sucks and that he was a ballhog who chucked up shots (even though he was like 5th in the league in FG% at the time) so I'm really not shocked.

I get it; you're a Jazz fan and hate the Nuggets. That's cool, I certainly enjoy fans who are diehards because I love the NBA and it's good for the game overall. But one day, it'd be nice if you knew what you were talking about.

Anyways. KMart. He's having a fantastic year and is the team's best defensive player. They're cautious with his knees for good reason, because if he's out for an extended period of time it'd be real trouble for the team. I realize you don't watch the Nuggs on a night to night basis (and I wouldn't expect you to, obviously) but the guy is far from garbage. He's overpaid for sure (his contract is ridiculous) but he's having a great year. Averaging a double-double and being the QB of the defense really. So to the other guy who says there's zero consequence of Kenyon being out, that's true and it's not. It's true in the short term. You'd rather have him out one game now rather than 10 games later. If he's not healthy in the playoffs, it'd be a huge blow to the team. But he is a huge key piece to this team. I mean the guy isn't a top flight PF like, say, Boozer but to say he's a worthless player dumb.

Anyways, with that rant out of the way, coming down the stretch it is going to be a wild race. Assuming the Lakeshow takes #1, the Nugs, Mavs, and Jazz will be fighting it out every night for #2. Teams 1-4 in the West are all balling so well right now, the playoffs will be bananas. That second round (assuming the top four teams all win their first round games) will be epic.

What's frustrated me this year about the Nuggets is that they couldn't swing a deal for another big guy. I know that making trades isn't always easy to do, but to not get a big guy and then make this stupid push for Ilgauskas is just frustrating. Don't get me wrong, I'd love Big Z in Denver... But he was never going anywhere besides back to Cleveland, so that's a huge waste of time. For us, for Dallas, etc. Nobody was getting him but the Cavs. The NBA needs to change that rule while we're on topic. Maybe it's a sour grapes thing coming from me, but I think it's B.S. the Cavs get him back. I know it happens every year, and it's stupid every year. Nuggets will draft for size this offseason I'm sure though. If they could get a guy to come in and contribute immediately like Ty Lawson has, it'd be a huge boost to the team. Then they could really contend. I like the Nuggies how they are now, they've played well, but a boost to the frontline would be huge.

This got long. I'm unsure why. Probably because I haven't had a good NBA discussion in a while... Although this is far from good. Zing. Anyways. Go Nuggies today.