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Bronx33
10-25-2009, 08:05 PM
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tsiguy96
10-25-2009, 08:07 PM
yea, tell me that was an accident. what a dick.

SouthCarolinaBronco
10-25-2009, 08:08 PM
Wasn't an accident at all. #83, two plays prior, was flagged for tripping a Steeler defender. It was a very questionable call, and it negated a Sidney Rice TD, and frankly might have changed the outcome. #83 was straight up out for revenge, and he got it. No excuse, obviously, but I am SURE that's what happened.

DenverBound
10-25-2009, 08:09 PM
Whats worse it was by a player that had 4 penalties called on him prior to the hit. When watching the film you can see 83 uses a little extra force to bowl him over. I firmly believe it was intentional.

I honestly believe that when it's all said and done he will be fined very, very heavily.

Pony Boy
10-25-2009, 08:26 PM
Ref's will be wearing Hockey or Jockey style helmets by next year ....

houghtam
10-25-2009, 09:41 PM
Ref's will be wearing Hockey or Jockey style helmets by next year ....

Not excusing this incident, but they should be wearing the same protective equipment as the players, if not more.

Baseball umpires where more equipment than the players.

Hockey refs wear helmets.

Football refs should, at the very least, wear the chest protectors baseball umps do, and helmets.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 09:43 PM
They need younger tougher refs and not these old dudes that can't take a hit.

SouthCarolinaBronco
10-25-2009, 09:44 PM
Not excusing this incident, but they should be wearing the same protective equipment as the players, if not more.

Baseball umpires where more equipment than the players.

Hockey refs wear helmets.

Football refs should, at the very least, wear the chest protectors baseball umps do, and helmets.

I think they should be able to wear what they want to. They are grown men who know and understand the risks.

tsiguy96
10-25-2009, 09:47 PM
has a referee EVER been injured in teh NFL before? why should they start protecting them now for something that has never, ever happened?

SouthCarolinaBronco
10-25-2009, 09:47 PM
Whats worse it was by a player that had 4 penalties called on him prior to the hit. When watching the film you can see 83 uses a little extra force to bowl him over. I firmly believe it was intentional.

I honestly believe that when it's all said and done he will be fined very, very heavily.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/wow-ref-gets-trucked-by-vikings-jeff-dugan-26659

RMT
10-25-2009, 09:52 PM
Whats worse it was by a player that had 4 penalties called on him prior to the hit. When watching the film you can see 83 uses a little extra force to bowl him over. I firmly believe it was intentional.

I honestly believe that when it's all said and done he will be fined very, very heavily.

yeah, and the LAST penalty called on him was a phantom "tripping" penalty on the rice TD pass ... next play? favre fumble returned for a steelers' TD ... 14 point swing ... tell me that call didn't have an impact on the outcome of the game.

SouthCarolinaBronco
10-25-2009, 10:00 PM
has a referee EVER been injured in teh NFL before? why should they start protecting them now for something that has never, ever happened?

It has happened infrequently. I cannot recall any that could be classified as major or career-ending.

tsiguy96
10-25-2009, 10:01 PM
It has happened infrequently. I cannot recall any that could be classified as major or career-ending.

thats what i mean, im sure some have been bruised or injured or whatever, but nothing serious, and especially nothing serious enough to require more equipment that might hinder their movement and cause them to make even more incorrect calls.

maher_tyler
10-25-2009, 10:08 PM
Wasn't an accident at all. #83, two plays prior, was flagged for tripping a Steeler defender. It was a very questionable call, and it negated a Sidney Rice TD, and frankly might have changed the outcome. #83 was straight up out for revenge, and he got it. No excuse, obviously, but I am SURE that's what happened.

If that's true..then it's even more funny. I hate when ref's decide games..it happens more often than not. Hope the ref was ok though!!

DenverBound
10-25-2009, 10:08 PM
yeah, and the LAST penalty called on him was a phantom "tripping" penalty on the rice TD pass ... next play? favre fumble returned for a steelers' TD ... 14 point swing ... tell me that call didn't have an impact on the outcome of the game.

It most definitely had an impact on the outcome.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the hit be justified on a bad call?

I agree the call was pretty bad although you can faintly see that when he fell there was a bit of "extra effort" on 83's part. Nonetheless, there is NO reason to hurt an official. It was cheap and he deserves to be suspended for the entirety of the season.

DenverBound
10-25-2009, 10:12 PM
Not excusing this incident, but they should be wearing the same protective equipment as the players, if not more.

Baseball umpires where more equipment than the players.

Hockey refs wear helmets.

Football refs should, at the very least, wear the chest protectors baseball umps do, and helmets.

NFL referee's have to be very mobile during games. They already aren't very athletic and would just be out of position more than they already are if wearing bulky protection gear.

RMT
10-25-2009, 10:18 PM
It most definitely had an impact on the outcome.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the hit be justified on a bad call?

I agree the call was pretty bad although you can faintly see that when he fell there was a bit of "extra effort" on 83's part. Nonetheless, there is NO reason to hurt an official. It was cheap and he deserves to be suspended for the entirety of the season.

i'm not suggesting the hit was justified, but suspending him for an entire season? that's ridiculous. if that were to happen, then the official who made the questionable call should be suspended as well, which won't happen. that call was WORSE than the hochuli call last year because the Broncos still had to make 2 plays to win the game. today's call directly wiped off 7 points for the vikings and then the very next play the steelers' get the fumble return for a TD. 14 point swing. that's a disgrace.

DenverBound
10-25-2009, 10:25 PM
i'm not suggesting the hit was justified, but suspending him for an entire season? that's ridiculous. if that were to happen, then the official who made the questionable call should be suspended as well, which won't happen. that call was WORSE than the hochuli call last year because the Broncos still had to make 2 plays to win the game. today's call directly wiped off 7 points for the vikings and then the very next play the steelers' get the fumble return for a TD. 14 point swing. that's a disgrace.

I understand the impact it had on the game. It is truly a bummer when a bad call decides a game.

My position, take it for what it's worth - I don't care if they had made 20 bad calls and Pittsburgh drove up the score even worse. YOU CANNOT physically retaliate on a referee.

If they do not make a very loud statement with this cheap shot, well, then I feel bad for every referee from here on out. The league will have to bring more ref's to the game than the team's do players. It will get ugly.

anon
10-25-2009, 10:31 PM
You definitely have to make a statement that actions that can be interpreted as purposefully trying to hurt a referee will not tolerated. They protect quarterbacks with all these rules and fines, and I would say this is even more important as it concerns the integrity of the game.

It's bad enough that there are occasional bad calls, but you can't have players thinking that referees can be intimidated or threatened with violence on the field.

RMT
10-25-2009, 10:33 PM
I understand the impact it had on the game. It is truly a bummer when a bad call decides a game.

My position, take it for what it's worth - I don't care if they had made 20 bad calls and Pittsburgh drove up the score even worse. YOU CANNOT physically retaliate on a referee.

If they do not make a very loud statement with this cheap shot, well, then I feel bad for every referee from here on out. The league will have to bring more ref's to the game than the team's do players. It will get ugly.

i certainly don't condone what happened, however, if the league would take a stronger stance on officials' mistakes and players who "intentionally" (if the league can PROVE it) hurt refs, then perhaps blown calls would be reduced and player retaliation against officials would never occur.

i will say this, tho - refs blow calls that impact the outcomes of games far MORE than players take it upon themselves to hold those refs "accountable" by going after them during a game. let's see if the NFL comes out against #83 for his actions AND chastises the officiating crew for influencing the outcome of a game. i'm not holding my breath for either to happen.

broncocalijohn
10-25-2009, 10:40 PM
Not excusing this incident, but they should be wearing the same protective equipment as the players, if not more.

Baseball umpires where more equipment than the players.

Hockey refs wear helmets.

Football refs should, at the very least, wear the chest protectors baseball umps do, and helmets.

maybe a baseball style helmet that stays on but we dont need them wearing anything else. They are slow enough as it is. I didnt think about the hit being intentional. I do think the call was horrible on the trip and think it could have cost the Vikings the game as they were at least going to tie it up on a short field goal.

SouthCarolinaBronco
10-25-2009, 10:44 PM
My position, take it for what it's worth - I don't care if they had made 20 bad calls and Pittsburgh drove up the score even worse. YOU CANNOT physically retaliate on a referee.

I agree entirely as to NFL refs. They are a professional bunch of guys.

With respect to MLB umpires, however, I don't mind a bit if some of them get slapped around once in a while. Many of them have horrendous attitudes. A little fear of getting asswhipped goes a long way.

carriefl
10-25-2009, 10:59 PM
there should never be a reason for something like this---refs are professionals---as the players should be. mistakes will happen no matter what, and that is something that should has to be accepted as a part of any sport. a player should never take an action like this, but if and when it does happen, there should be a hefty punishment.

Raidersbane
10-25-2009, 11:18 PM
I think the ref was going to try and slow down the ball carrier and needed to be blocked out of the play. It does look like Reels is gonna try to take Harvin out and Dugan just wasn't going to let that happen......look at the film with that mind. I may just be playing the Devil's advocate here but still it does kinda look that way.

Broncotilldeath
10-26-2009, 12:01 AM
Illegal block in the back.