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broncocalijohn
10-25-2009, 06:40 PM
This wont be your Bronco McBuff type love fest for Jay. This is the appreciation what Cutler is giving the Broncos and a better first round draft pick. Here are his stats before this game vs the Bengals.
SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RATING
2009 110 172 1201 64.0 6.98 68 10 7 10 86.9
10/25 26 37 251 70.2 6.78 1 3 1 ?

6 GMS 136 209 1452 65.1 6.95 11 10 11

Proj. 362 557 3872 65.1 6.95 29 27 29


Now mind you out of 27 interceptions projected, Chris Collinsworth claims 25 will be on the inexperienced wide receiver.
I appreciate Jay for the 3-3 record for the Bears and currently out of the playoffs. He is providing us a better draft pick each week. Let us see his numbers on the Broncos last season....

CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RATING
384 616 4526 62.3 7.3 93 25 18 86.0

I know Buff is appreciating what we get from a defeated Cutler. When he loses, we win.

theAPAOps5
10-25-2009, 06:42 PM
I would like to thank Jay for convincing 99% of the world that he is a franchise QB. Because if he is a franchise QB I wish we would have gotten more 1st round picks for him so Denver and McD could draft real talent.

But in the end thank you Cutler for your rocket arm because its so sexy that everyone will ignore you peanut brain! You gave Denver draft value while further hurting Chicago.... AGAIN.

Soul-Bronco
10-25-2009, 06:45 PM
i would like to thank jay for looking at his phone and seeing Big daddy bowlen calling and NOT picking up the phone! thanks for being such a douche bag cutler!!!!! you are a great franchise QB

Br0nc0Buster
10-25-2009, 06:54 PM
10 ints in his first 6 games? lmfao

yes thank you Jay for being a whiney douche so we could get multiple draft picks and Kyle Orton for you

broncocalijohn
10-25-2009, 06:57 PM
this is the type of appreciation that we Broncos fans should be giving Jay. Bears havent had a worse defeat in a long time. I am sure the Bears fans are appreciating Jay too.

Hercules Rockefeller
10-25-2009, 06:57 PM
This thread is just screaming for karmic retribution.

They still have 10 more games, until the Bears have been eliminated from the playoffs this **** needs to stop.

Broncomutt
10-25-2009, 07:10 PM
So glad you could quit us Jay.

So glad.:sunshine::strong::egbgb::sunshine:

theAPAOps5
10-25-2009, 07:16 PM
This thread is just screaming for karmic retribution.

They still have 10 more games, until the Bears have been eliminated from the playoffs this **** needs to stop.

You are right and have a great point but its okay to cheer on his and the Bears failure as it directly impacts us. So its essentially saying thank you to the Raiders or Chiefs. Sure Cutler and company can turn it around but there is a lot of pieces that need to be replaced or all of a sudden get good to do so.

Williams
10-25-2009, 07:17 PM
Thanks Jay! :thumbsup:

http://i38.tinypic.com/20797w1.gif

DenverBound
10-25-2009, 07:19 PM
Thanks Jay! :thumbsup:

http://i38.tinypic.com/20797w1.gif

Is it gay to have a man crush on your QB? That guy rocks a porn pornstache like no body's business.

NYBronc
10-25-2009, 07:35 PM
This thread is just screaming for karmic retribution.

They still have 10 more games, until the Bears have been eliminated from the playoffs this **** needs to stop.

I appreciate this sentiment Mr. Rockefeller but the karmic retribution unfolding in front of our eyes dwells within the heart of Jay. He's brought this s**t storm on himself and I, for one, am floored and emensely overjoyed at the ironic divine justice not only at the Bears expense but also for our profound a$$ kicking undefeated awesomeness.

Denver, in my humble opinion is a testiment to those age old Universal truths of success through discipline, teamwork, humility, and preparation vs. the sloppy, sullen, ego-driven attitude of Jay and his Bear fan minions.

This is another chapter in our storied franchise that proves God is a Bronco fan.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 07:44 PM
Iam just giddy wondering who that draft pick will be..

broncofan2438
10-25-2009, 07:52 PM
Cutler sucks. At least some $$ is coming his way. Needs that $$ for all the booze after those blowouts

SJ Bronco
10-25-2009, 08:01 PM
Thanks Jay! :thumbsup:

http://i38.tinypic.com/20797w1.gif

Why hasn't Dave Grohl sued him for doppelganger infringement?

Popps
10-25-2009, 08:13 PM
Gosh, I wonder what that "idiot" Bowlen didn't want to bust the bank on this guy?

Hmmm.....

Chris
10-25-2009, 08:28 PM
Mcdaniels was the first to see what Cutler lacked. Bowlen fired Cutler on principle.

broncocalijohn
10-25-2009, 08:32 PM
Why hasn't Dave Grohl sued him for doppelganger infringement?

Actually Broncos Warrior had the look first and is suing Dave Grohl.

bombay
10-25-2009, 08:34 PM
Dumb thread.

He's phsically gifted, but makes poor decisions.

Didn't we already know that?

houghtam
10-25-2009, 08:35 PM
Karma. :spit:

I got some ocean-front property in Arizona you might be interested in.

Popps
10-25-2009, 09:08 PM
Dumb thread.

He's phsically gifted, but makes poor decisions.

Didn't we already know that?

About half of us did... sure.

The other half were guaranteeing we were "set back 15 years."

Rock Chalk
10-25-2009, 09:14 PM
This thread is just screaming for karmic retribution.

They still have 10 more games, until the Bears have been eliminated from the playoffs this **** needs to stop.

In principle I agree,b ut considering 2 of their 3 wins were based purely on rather accurate field goal kickers missing rather makeable field goals, I think its a safe bet to say that the Bears will not be making the playoffs.

Popps
10-25-2009, 09:17 PM
In principle I agree,b ut considering 2 of their 3 wins were based purely on rather accurate field goal kickers missing rather makeable field goals, I think its a safe bet to say that the Bears will not be making the playoffs.

Yep. The Bears are very lucky not to be 2-4 right now, and 1-5 could have been almost as easy.

Should be fun to watch. They're not winning that division, and there's a lot of competition for wild-card spots in the NFC.

I'm hoping they finish around 6-10. I love that middle of the draft area. Nice value without the huge price-tag!

Just think... they basically gave us draft slots next year so we could draft A. Smith this year.

Wow, a lot of wasted panic around here, eh?

Swedish Extrovert
10-25-2009, 09:19 PM
Karma. :spit:

I got some ocean-front property in Arizona you might be interested in.

Is this based on speculation? You know, like when California falls into the ocean, AZ will be prime real estate?

azbroncfan
10-25-2009, 09:22 PM
Leave Jay alone. It isn't his fault he can't win to save his life.

Swedish Extrovert
10-25-2009, 09:24 PM
Leave Jay alone. It isn't his fault he can't win to save his life.

Actually it is. He has all the skill in the world - size, speed, a rocket arm.

It's his lack of a brain, and complete lack of leadership ability that's holding him back.

lonestar
10-25-2009, 09:27 PM
been saying for a long time this mutt is a reincarnation of Jeff George.. long on arm short between the ears.. he has relied on his arm getting his stats up since high school.. and that is all he is is great in FF..

lots of potential if only he had a strong coach to make him see it..

this kid is the quintessential coach killer.. one down, an bunch to follow till they figure out he does what he wants to do for his own ego and glory..

Swedish Extrovert
10-25-2009, 09:29 PM
been saying for a long time this mutt is a reincarnation of Jeff George.. long on arm short between the ears.. he has relied on his arm getting his stats up since high school.. and that is all he is is great in FF..

lots of potential if only he had a strong coach to make him see it..

this kid is the quintessential coach killer.. one down, an bunch to follow till they figure out he does what he wants to do for his own ego and glory..

I was just about to say... I bet we see Shanahan in Chi-town next year... now, would that be good or bad for Jay? I'd say bad... Jay needs a no-BS kinda guy. If Shanny didn't change Cutler before, he's not gonna.

Ironlung
10-25-2009, 09:36 PM
i appreciate this sentiment mr. Rockefeller but the karmic retribution unfolding in front of our eyes dwells within the heart of jay. He's brought this s**t storm on himself and i, for one, am floored and emensely overjoyed at the ironic divine justice not only at the bears expense but also for our profound a$$ kicking undefeated awesomeness.

Denver, in my humble opinion is a testiment to those age old universal truths of success through discipline, teamwork, humility, and preparation vs. The sloppy, sullen, ego-driven attitude of jay and his bear fan minions.

This is another chapter in our storied franchise that proves god is a bronco fan.

^5

Hogan11
10-25-2009, 10:57 PM
Piss on Jay Cutler. That is all.

broncocalijohn
10-25-2009, 11:14 PM
Piss on Jay Cutler. That is all.

that isnt the spirit of the Appreciation thread, Hogan. Maybe try I can appreciate that you can piss on Cutler and it will give him a little color. That totally works.

Hogan11
10-25-2009, 11:15 PM
that isnt the spirit of the Appreciation thread, Hogan. Maybe try I can appreciate that you can piss on Cutler and it will give him a little color. That totally works.

Ah ok, sorry to have messed with the spirit, let's roll with that then.

Pat Bowlen
10-25-2009, 11:23 PM
Is it gay to have a man crush on your QB? That guy rocks a porn pornstache like no body's business.
http://cache.deadspin.com/sports/plummerstache.jpg

lazarus4444
10-25-2009, 11:23 PM
I watched the bears debacle today and all i can say is i know how their fans feel. I actually empathize with them on this one. First, we completely raped them in that trade and second, well there is no second. I just feel sorry for bears fans but am happy we won that trade (so far so good anyway). But Jay's performance today smelled of several of his performances last year and i was soooooo glad he wasn't playing for us, nuff said.

Popps
10-25-2009, 11:27 PM
I watched the bears debacle today and all i can say is i know how their fans feel. I actually empathize with them on this one. First, we completely raped them in that trade and second, well there is no second. I just feel sorry for bears fans but am happy we won that trade (so far so good anyway). But Jay's performance today smelled of several of his performances last year and i was soooooo glad he wasn't playing for us, nuff said.

Yea, I've got no problem with Bears fans. Some are probably still in denial, and that's understandable. It'll take time before reality hits them.

azbroncfan
10-25-2009, 11:32 PM
I watched the bears debacle today and all i can say is i know how their fans feel. I actually empathize with them on this one. First, we completely raped them in that trade and second, well there is no second. I just feel sorry for bears fans but am happy we won that trade (so far so good anyway). But Jay's performance today smelled of several of his performances last year and i was soooooo glad he wasn't playing for us, nuff said.

The thing was and myself included, we made a bunch of excuses for this bum of a QB. He is a loser and to this point of his career has proved that he is a stat producing loser.

bpc
10-25-2009, 11:40 PM
Good to see more back patting going on here.

Still early. His OL has been horrendous. No excuses though.

His career stats right now are still better than Favre's through their first 43 starts. Guess that means absolutely nothing though. ha ha.

I like a high first round pick so i'm good with them losing a lot this year.

azbroncfan
10-25-2009, 11:54 PM
Good to see more back patting going on here.

Still early. His OL has been horrendous. No excuses though.

His career stats right now are still better than Favre's through their first 43 starts. Guess that means absolutely nothing though. ha ha.

I like a high first round pick so i'm good with them losing a lot this year.

How is his win/loss record though? How about in playoff potential clinching games?

OBF1
10-26-2009, 12:05 AM
I am thankful that Cutler has a brain the same size as an alligator..... Pea sized.

BroncoBuff
10-26-2009, 12:24 AM
been saying for a long time this mutt is a reincarnation of Jeff George.
Point to one post where you said that before Shanahan was fired and I'll send you $100.

You guys crack me up :nono:

BroncoBuff
10-26-2009, 12:25 AM
I am thankful that Cutler has a brain the same size as an alligator..... Pea sized.

Same for you, Mr. Happy ... link me and it's a Benjamin in the mail :wiggle:

OBF1
10-26-2009, 12:27 AM
Will you ever get you face out of jays ass and get over the fact that jay has left you for another man??? You sound like a woman scorned

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-26-2009, 12:32 AM
Cutler could be the best "if only" QB in the NFL ...

2008 - IF ONLY he had a Defense.
2008 - IF ONLY he had a reliable RB.

2009 - IF ONLY he had better WRs.

BroncoBuff
10-26-2009, 12:36 AM
Will you ever get you face out of jays ass and get over the fact that jay has left you for another man??? You sound like a woman scorned
Hahaha .... Actually I'm the opposite of that, it's the latter-day Jay-haters that are the scorned ones.

Funny nonetheless ... ;D


And yes, they really sucked today, didn't they? :~ohyah!:

BroncoBuff
10-26-2009, 12:38 AM
Good news is, top 10 pick headed to Denver, Shanahan headed to Chicago!

Broncomutt
10-26-2009, 01:11 AM
I've been saying for a long time Shanny needed to go and that I wasn't a believer in Jay.

Popps
10-26-2009, 01:23 AM
His career stats right now are still better than Favre's through their first 43 starts. Guess that means absolutely nothing though. ha ha.
.

Chris,

Favre was playing on HORRIBLE teams. He didn't have an offensive mastermind as his coach his first couple years as a starter. Favre also had a moxie and a winning demeanor as a young player that led his teammates to believe the he could carry them if need be. You see that in Cutler? Captain Mopey?

I get it, dude. They both have arms. They both move around in the pocket well, but that's where the analogy ends.

Plenty of QBs had crappy starts to their careers. Some got better, some didn't. At this point, you've got no tangible evidence that Cutler will end up a winner. He's something like 30-60 as a college and pro QB.

He may turn things around at some stage, but right now... he's nothing. He's a middle of the pack QB, at best.

BroncoBuff
10-26-2009, 01:33 AM
2008 - IF ONLY he had a Defense.
2008 - IF ONLY he had a reliable RB.

2009 - IF ONLY he had better WRs.

His WRs have been pretty good this year. If anything, it's his O-line killing him.

One thing's for sure: He'll never have a better O-line + reciever combination than he had here in '08.

dekers
10-26-2009, 01:48 AM
Right now if we could do it over again. I would trade cutler for Orton straight up. The only thing that matters in the NFL is W - L .

easymobee
10-26-2009, 01:57 AM
A few thoughts on this subject.

I drank the kool aid last yr when the announcers for our 1st game said that "Jay had made it his goal to keep his INT total under 10 for the entire season" Turns out not so much.

Bears fans claimed that Jay made the receivers better here and would do the same there. Its actually kinda turned out that way (Bennett and Knox are proof) why then, do bear fans do nothing but make excuses for Cutler now that his WR's suck and are dragging down his performance?

Can we put to bed the myth of Greg Olsen turning into Antonio Gates with Cutler in command? How many ffl players got tricked into taking a midling TE in the 4th or 5th round based on that lie?

7 weeks ago Orlando Pace was the ultimate stopgap LT. Now he is about as revered by Bears fans as Cornell Green or Erik Pears was here. Its all the OL's fault, didn't you know?

Does Vinny Testeverde have the single season INT record (34 I believe)? Jay could have a very outside shot at it, doubtful as it may be. I'm rooting for him.

I wonder when the last time JCutler had a good D behind him? High School maybe? Vandy couldn't have had such a great D in the SEC. I think Cutler was a pretty good Safety on his HS team, maybe he should go both ways and help his own cause.

I see a 7 and 9 finish for the bears and an upper middle 1st rounder. I heard a lot of the Bears easy sched talk at the beginning of the year, but I think Cinci was supposed to be part of that cakewalk.


-edit-

Cutler will never make the INT record. George Blanda 42, Testeverde 35, and Frank Tripuka 34.

_Oro_
10-26-2009, 06:04 AM
This thread is just screaming for karmic retribution.

They still have 10 more games, until the Bears have been eliminated from the playoffs this **** needs to stop.

Believe me when I tell you this: whether that does or does not happen has nothing to do with this thread. ;)

_Oro_
10-26-2009, 06:09 AM
Right now if we could do it over again. I would trade cutler for Orton straight up. The only thing that matters in the NFL is W - L .

That's the spirit! :thumbsup: Of course I'm glad your not making our front office decisions.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-26-2009, 06:15 AM
Right now if we could do it over again. I would trade cutler for Orton straight up. The only thing that matters in the NFL is W - L .
WOW!
Could you imagine the ridiculous EXPLOSION that would have caused in the preseason! This website would have shut down due to the intensity of the HATE posts! Hilarious!

And then the media ... ROFL!

barryr
10-26-2009, 06:27 AM
Hmm, wasn't it the Cutler fans telling us that Orton would be the one throwing 10 picks by this time of the season and being replaced by Simms? Oh, the Cutler fans are having such a tough time this season. The Broncos are winning, Orton is playing well, and their hero in Chicago isn't putting up HOF numbers as they expected.

The Joker
10-26-2009, 08:59 AM
My friend is a Bears fan.

After the trade we had a bet on which QB would throw less picks this year, Cutler or Orton. It was a double or nothing on a bet I'd already lost to him, to be fair, but I still feel pretty good about the whole thing right now.

Drunk Monkey
10-26-2009, 09:15 AM
Mike Ditka was on ESPN radio this morning bagging JC. Said he needs to work on his attitude. Pouting is no way to lead a team. He was not impressed.

TailgateNut
10-26-2009, 09:19 AM
Mike Ditka was on ESPN radio this morning bagging JC. Said he needs to work on his attitude. Pouting is no way to lead a team. He was not impressed.


Ya don't say?

bpc
10-26-2009, 09:30 AM
How is his win/loss record though? How about in playoff potential clinching games?

Football's a team game. It would take an idiot to not realize this by now. There's lots of things that go into the sport like offense, defense, special teams, coaching, injuries... etc.

Bash Jay all you like, it doesn't make any difference. Until he gets some help, he's going to look like how he did yesterday. Still, his career stats are better than Brett Favre at this point in his career and while winning/playoff appearances are big to the overall status of a NFL QB, there are many things that go into determining how good a QB actually is. Just look at Dan Fouts. He didn't make it to the playoffs until his 7th year in the league. Yet he's nationally revered as one of the best throwing QB's in the history of the NFL and a hall of famer.

His stat line until 79' reads:

73': 1126 yds, 44% completion, 6 TD's, 11 INT's.
74': 1723 yds, 46% completion, 8 TD's, 13 INT's. **** ABOUT THIS POINT all of you would be calling for Fouts HEAD in today's NFL. HOF career CXLD ****
75': 1396 yds, 54% completion, 2 TD's, 10 INT's.
76': 2535 yds, 57% completion, 14 TD's, 15 INT's.
77': *INJ* 869 yds, 63% completion, 4 TD's, 6 INT's.
78': 3000 yds, 60% completion, 24 TD's, 20 INT's....

Also factor in that he never had a QB rating above 80 until his 6th year.

What am I saying? Most of you don't know what you're talking about in terms of QB's and also the difference in mindsets of how long it takes to develop a QB. Back in the day, 20 years ago, QB's were given YEARS to mature. Not A YEAR and if they aren't posting 30-10 TD/INT ratios after that, they're called a bust and ran out of town.

The fact is Cutler has been expected to carry this team since his 1st full season starting for the Broncos (unreasonable) and he's done an exceptional job STATISTICALLY from that point aside from an average record. Yes, there's still a lot of things he has to get better at but it's also a team game. He needs help.

Bash on. 93% percent of you refuse to hear anything positive about Cutler so this info is wasted on you.

TailgateNut
10-26-2009, 09:36 AM
Football's a team game. It would take an idiot to not realize this by now. There's lots of things that go into the sport like offense, defense, special teams, coaching, injuries... etc.

Bash Jay all you like, it doesn't make any difference. Until he gets some help, he's going to look like how he did yesterday. Still, his career stats are better than Brett Favre at this point in his career and while winning/playoff appearances are big to the overall status of a NFL QB, there are many things that go into determining how good a QB actually is. Just look at Dan Fouts. He didn't make it to the playoffs until his 7th year in the league. Yet he's nationally revered as one of the best throwing QB's in the history of the NFL and a hall of famer.

His stat line until 79' reads:

73': 1126 yds, 44% completion, 6 TD's, 11 INT's.
74': 1723 yds, 46% completion, 8 TD's, 13 INT's. **** ABOUT THIS POINT all of you would be calling for Fouts HEAD in today's NFL. HOF career CXLD ****
75': 1396 yds, 54% completion, 2 TD's, 10 INT's.
76': 2535 yds, 57% completion, 14 TD's, 15 INT's.
77': *INJ* 869 yds, 63% completion, 4 TD's, 6 INT's.
78': 3000 yds, 60% completion, 24 TD's, 20 INT's....

Also factor in that he never had a QB rating above 80 until his 6th year.

What am I saying? Most of you don't know what you're talking about in terms of QB's and also the difference in mindsets of how long it takes to develop a QB. Back in the day, 20 years ago, QB's were given YEARS to mature. Not A YEAR and if they aren't posting 30-10 TD/INT ratios after that, they're called a bust and ran out of town.

The fact is Cutler has been expected to carry this team since his 1st full season starting for the Broncos (unreasonable) and he's done an exceptional job STATISTICALLY from that point aside from an average record. Yes, there's still a lot of things he has to get better at but it's also a team game. He needs help.

Bash on. 93% percent of you refuse to hear anything positive about Cutler so this info is wasted on you.


"Back in the day", QB's had to be "a man". Whiners and wussies were not allowed on the field.

....and today you don't get 7 years to prove you are capable of being anything more than a gunslinger.

bpc
10-26-2009, 09:37 AM
Chris,

Favre was playing on HORRIBLE teams. He didn't have an offensive mastermind as his coach his first couple years as a starter. Favre also had a moxie and a winning demeanor as a young player that led his teammates to believe the he could carry them if need be. You see that in Cutler? Captain Mopey?

I get it, dude. They both have arms. They both move around in the pocket well, but that's where the analogy ends.

Plenty of QBs had crappy starts to their careers. Some got better, some didn't. At this point, you've got no tangible evidence that Cutler will end up a winner. He's something like 30-60 as a college and pro QB.

He may turn things around at some stage, but right now... he's nothing. He's a middle of the pack QB, at best.

I have no stats that will say he'll be a winner. I just have stats that say he's well ahead of good QB's at this point in there career statistically and his skills border on great. I'm just reporting the statistics. I understand, you hate him, you feel like he fouled you, whatever. You're not looking at the QB stats. It's a team game and he's needed help every year of his career. This year is not different. The Bears OL is atrocious. He can barely take 5 step drops which basically eliminates his arm on deep throws. To show you how far this OL has fallen off, just look at Matt Forte. He had a GREAT year last season for a rookie and now he's 25th in rushing this season with a little over 300 yds through 7 games. 1 TD. That shows me there is HUGE problems on that OL in the run and passing games.

Honestly, I just laugh at most of the anti-Cutler responses. Everybody is so emotional about the situation, you all have put Cutler in the Dale Carter, Daryl Gardener category because he and McDaniels couldn't get along this offseason and he wanted out. The fault was 50/50 by the way.

QB careers can span 10-20 years and there will be no definitive prognosis on how good Cutler is until 3-4 years down the road, outside of an career ending injury happening.

Hate on.

Popps
10-26-2009, 09:38 AM
Football's a team game. It would take an idiot to not realize this by now. There's lots of things that go into the sport like offense, defense, special teams, coaching, injuries... etc.

Bash Jay all you like, it doesn't make any difference. Until he gets some help, he's going to look like how he did yesterday..

Wait, so he didn't have "help" in Denver?

One of the best offensive coaches in the world, a great line, multiple weapons and a running game that was probably middle of the pack.

What exactly does a "franchise" quarterback need, Chris? How much help does this guy need before he doesn't step on his own dick every game?


Again, man... just because some other QB in the past had a bad start doesn't mean Cutler is their equivalent. Heath Shuler had a bad start, too. How come we're not comparing Cutler to Shuler?


As for Cutler "carrying" the Broncos, you can kill that talk, too. He didn't carry jack-****. This team had a winning record when Plummer was benched and Cutler went on to 3 years of an overall losing record. Name ONE GAME where Cutler "carried" this team.

I'll name one where he didn't... Buffalo. Like every time Jay needs to step up and truly be a franchise QB, he can't manage it. Why? Because he's not a leader or a winner. Will he be, at some point? Sure... maybe. But right now, he's a loser with a losing record who takes horrible care of the football and regularly puts his team in a position to lose.



Sometimes it's easier to just see things for what they are, Chris.

azbroncfan
10-26-2009, 09:42 AM
I have no stats that will say he'll be a winner. I just have stats that say he's well ahead of good QB's at this point in there career statistically and his skills border on great. .

That statement is wrong because the only stat that really translates to the overall teams win/loss record is Turnovers. How has Jay done there and how is his overall team record?

Popps
10-26-2009, 09:42 AM
Honestly, I just laugh at most of your responses. You're so emotional about the situation, you've put Cutler in the Dale Carter, Daryl Gardener category because he and McDaniels couldn't get along this offseason and he wanted out.
.

Laugh away, bro. I'm not the one creating new categories for gauging football success. (You know, that category of "almost wins," where a QB throws INTs and fumbles the ball all night, but has one good drive in the 4th quarter so all is forgiven.)

Chris, how is it exactly "the help's" fault when Jay throws an INT off of his back foot in the red-zone... on a play any Pop Warner QB would know to just throw the ball away? How is that him "not having enough help?"

Cutler isn't Dale Carter, he's just a losing QB with sloppy mechanics who fooled a bunch of people with his "rocket arm."

Oh, and of course I'm emotional. This is Broncos football, dude. Sorry, was I supposed to be like SoCal and appear totally neutral and then eventually just disappear all together?


Luckily, the emotions are joy and elation. We got rid of a major headache and our team is a winner again. You should be enjoying that more and spend less time on the wrong side of this argument.

Popps
10-26-2009, 09:46 AM
Here you go, Chris... the score is zero-zero. Early in the game, so no sense of urgency to do anything stupid.

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Go ahead an educate us all about how this was the result of "Jay not having enough help."

Maybe I'm missing it. Looks to me like (another) poor decision, sloppy mechanics and just plain stupidity.

But, I'm sure this is Devin Hester's fault.... or someone else.

bpc
10-26-2009, 09:46 AM
"Back in the day", QB's had to be "a man". Whiners and wussies were not allowed on the field.

....and today you don't get 7 years to prove you are capable of being anything more than a gunslinger.

So you admit you would have sacked Fouts by year 2? ha ha.

Fact is if Elway was playing in Denver now, he'd probably be looked at as a Vince Young type.... in his first 10 years in the league, his QB rating surpassed 80 ONCE!!!! 83 in 1987 when he won the MVP. He finished with less than 70 TWICE! and in between 7 different times.

The fact is John Elway would be run out by most of you that hate Jay Cutler. You would whine about the candy incident, the demanding a trade incident, say he was a prima-donna and whatever kind of crap you could reach for.

You'll point to wins but ultimately you all would turn on Elway in today's game because he couldn't throw in the big game and his passing statistics weren't all that impressive in the regular season. Like I said, he play very much like a Vince Young in the passing and run games.

Deny all you like but look at what you're saying about Cutler. It's laughable to me.

Eldorado
10-26-2009, 09:47 AM
Red zone int! FTW!!!110!

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 09:47 AM
Football's a team game. It would take an idiot to not realize this by now. There's lots of things that go into the sport like offense, defense, special teams, coaching, injuries... etc.

Bash Jay all you like, it doesn't make any difference. Until he gets some help, he's going to look like how he did yesterday. Still, his career stats are better than Brett Favre at this point in his career and while winning/playoff appearances are big to the overall status of a NFL QB, there are many things that go into determining how good a QB actually is. Just look at Dan Fouts. He didn't make it to the playoffs until his 7th year in the league. Yet he's nationally revered as one of the best throwing QB's in the history of the NFL and a hall of famer.

His stat line until 79' reads:

73': 1126 yds, 44% completion, 6 TD's, 11 INT's.
74': 1723 yds, 46% completion, 8 TD's, 13 INT's. **** ABOUT THIS POINT all of you would be calling for Fouts HEAD in today's NFL. HOF career CXLD ****
75': 1396 yds, 54% completion, 2 TD's, 10 INT's.
76': 2535 yds, 57% completion, 14 TD's, 15 INT's.
77': *INJ* 869 yds, 63% completion, 4 TD's, 6 INT's.
78': 3000 yds, 60% completion, 24 TD's, 20 INT's....

Also factor in that he never had a QB rating above 80 until his 6th year.

What am I saying? Most of you don't know what you're talking about in terms of QB's and also the difference in mindsets of how long it takes to develop a QB. Back in the day, 20 years ago, QB's were given YEARS to mature. Not A YEAR and if they aren't posting 30-10 TD/INT ratios after that, they're called a bust and ran out of town.

The fact is Cutler has been expected to carry this team since his 1st full season starting for the Broncos (unreasonable) and he's done an exceptional job STATISTICALLY from that point aside from an average record. Yes, there's still a lot of things he has to get better at but it's also a team game. He needs help.

Bash on. 93% percent of you refuse to hear anything positive about Cutler so this info is wasted on you.


Of course, you are the one showing your ignoarance by making a statistical comparison of a QB who played in the 70s and early 80s to defend a QB playing in the 21st century. If you were as smart as you think you are, you would know that passing offenses are FAR more sophisticated and efficient now than they were back then. The top QBs of that era put up numbers that in todays NFL would make them marginal starters at best (take a look at Terry Bradshaw's numbers sometime if you don't believe me). That wasn't because QBs are better now...it's because offenses are more sophisticated and are designed to run at a higher efficiency with greater emphasis on the short passing game. Plus, the rules help passing offenses greatly these days. You could mug a receiver back in Fouts day...of course he completed a lower percentage of his passes! Pretty much everyone did until Walsh came along.

In any case, it is you who looks like the ignorant fool as you continue to carry Jay's jock while he fails to live up to his vast potential. But, of course, it's everyone elses fault but his own, right BPC?

TonyR
10-26-2009, 09:48 AM
...Until he gets some help...

Wasn't he supposed to be in a better situation this year than last? He was going to a team with a defense and a great RB? Remember how you and your pack of Cutler apologist buddies were saying how he got exactly what he wanted getting traded to Chicago? He was sure going to show us! McD and Bowlen were idiots for letting this young, franchise QB go! This franchise is in ruins, set back at least 10 years!!!

Keep up the good fight, though. Hitch your wagon to Jay Cutler. Good luck.

bpc
10-26-2009, 09:49 AM
Laugh away, bro. I'm not the one creating new categories for gauging football success. (You know, that category of "almost wins," where a QB throws INTs and fumbles the ball all night, but has one good drive in the 4th quarter so all is forgiven.)

Chris, how is it exactly "the help's" fault when Jay throws an INT off of his back foot in the red-zone... on a play any Pop Warner QB would know to just throw the ball away? How is that him "not having enough help?"

Cutler isn't Dale Carter, he's just a losing QB with sloppy mechanics who fooled a bunch of people with his "rocket arm."

Oh, and of course I'm emotional. This is Broncos football, dude. Sorry, was I supposed to be like SoCal and appear totally neutral and then eventually just disappear all together?


Luckily, the emotions are joy and elation. We got rid of a major headache and our team is a winner again. You should be enjoying that more and spend less time on the wrong side of this argument.

I'm enjoying this season quite fan. Have all the games on DVR and just watched the SD game again last night.

I'm having a great time, and definitely not wasting my time posting topics to bash my opposition like most of you are. Just trying to refute some non-sense that gets posted on a daily basis.

TonyR
10-26-2009, 09:51 AM
It's laughable to me.

I don't think you're doing much laughing. Reading between the lines in every one of your posts I see someone who's still sore about the firing of Shanahan and the trading of Cutler. You're far from over it. And despite the results so far you still think you're right that both were mistakes. You're living in the past.

TailgateNut
10-26-2009, 09:56 AM
Here you go, Chris... the score is zero-zero. Early in the game, so no sense of urgency to do anything stupid.

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Go ahead an educate us all about how this was the result of "Jay not having enough help."

Maybe I'm missing it. Looks to me like (another) poor decision, sloppy mechanics and just plain stupidity.

But, I'm sure this is Devin Hester's fault.... or someone else.


It's that pesky ass Red Zone.


Red Zone + Cutler = Kryptonite + Superman.

broncocalijohn
10-26-2009, 09:58 AM
Hahaha .... Actually I'm the opposite of that, it's the latter-day Jay-haters that are the scorned ones.

Funny nonetheless ... ;D


And yes, they really sucked today, didn't they? :~ohyah!:

there are a ton of Jay haters now. It took his actions to let them realize his personality was a problem the whole time. Then they realized he was all stats and not so hot W/L record. It is/was kinda funny to see so I hope everyone gives those Bears fans at least until next year to realize what they have. I know you wont offer that $100 on me though. I am appreciating Jay more and more.

CEH
10-26-2009, 09:58 AM
Football's a team game. It would take an idiot to not realize this by now. There's lots of things that go into the sport like offense, defense, special teams, coaching, injuries... etc.

Bash Jay all you like, it doesn't make any difference. Until he gets some help, he's going to look like how he did yesterday. Still, his career stats are better than Brett Favre at this point in his career and while winning/playoff appearances are big to the overall status of a NFL QB, there are many things that go into determining how good a QB actually is. Just look at Dan Fouts. He didn't make it to the playoffs until his 7th year in the league. Yet he's nationally revered as one of the best throwing QB's in the history of the NFL and a hall of famer.

His stat line until 79' reads:

73': 1126 yds, 44% completion, 6 TD's, 11 INT's.
74': 1723 yds, 46% completion, 8 TD's, 13 INT's. **** ABOUT THIS POINT all of you would be calling for Fouts HEAD in today's NFL. HOF career CXLD ****
75': 1396 yds, 54% completion, 2 TD's, 10 INT's.
76': 2535 yds, 57% completion, 14 TD's, 15 INT's.
77': *INJ* 869 yds, 63% completion, 4 TD's, 6 INT's.
78': 3000 yds, 60% completion, 24 TD's, 20 INT's....

Also factor in that he never had a QB rating above 80 until his 6th year.

What am I saying? Most of you don't know what you're talking about in terms of QB's and also the difference in mindsets of how long it takes to develop a QB. Back in the day, 20 years ago, QB's were given YEARS to mature. Not A YEAR and if they aren't posting 30-10 TD/INT ratios after that, they're called a bust and ran out of town.

The fact is Cutler has been expected to carry this team since his 1st full season starting for the Broncos (unreasonable) and he's done an exceptional job STATISTICALLY from that point aside from an average record. Yes, there's still a lot of things he has to get better at but it's also a team game. He needs help.

Bash on. 93% percent of you refuse to hear anything positive about Cutler so this info is wasted on you.

Yes Fouts made the HOF thanks largely to a offensive mastermind and possibly the best WR/TE core in the history of the NFL. Out of 15 season Fouts has 3 seasons where his team was 3+ games over .500. 79-81. and one other where he was 9-7. He did nothing under any coach other than Coryell. Looks like Cutler is in the same boat.

I seriously doubt Fouts would get that much leeway in today's NFL

skpac1001
10-26-2009, 09:59 AM
Football's a team game. It would take an idiot to not realize this by now. There's lots of things that go into the sport like offense, defense, special teams, coaching, injuries... etc.



Football is a team game, and Cutler's performance impacts the team. His leadership and body language impacts the team. His turnovers and lack of ability to sustain drives or get any points impacts the defense, especially when they already are getting smashed, and impacts the offense, when being so far behind takes the running game out of it. His inability to consistently punish defenses for stacking the line hurts the running game and pass blocking.
He hasn't been helped out much by his teammates this season, but then again he hasn't been helping them out much either.

Bronx33
10-26-2009, 09:59 AM
Here you go, Chris... the score is zero-zero. Early in the game, so no sense of urgency to do anything stupid.

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Go ahead an educate us all about how this was the result of "Jay not having enough help."

Maybe I'm missing it. Looks to me like (another) poor decision, sloppy mechanics and just plain stupidity.

But, I'm sure this is Devin Hester's fault.... or someone else.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d813af423/Hall-INT

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d813afc47/Hall-s-2nd-INT

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-26-2009, 10:02 AM
So you admit you would have sacked Fouts by year 2? ha ha.

Fact is if Elway was playing in Denver now, he'd probably be looked at as a Vince Young type.... in his first 10 years in the league, his QB rating surpassed 80 ONCE!!!! 83 in 1987 when he won the MVP. He finished with less than 70 TWICE! and in between 7 different times.

The fact is John Elway would be run out by most of you that hate Jay Cutler. You would whine about the candy incident, the demanding a trade incident, say he was a prima-donna and whatever kind of crap you could reach for.

You'll point to wins but ultimately you all would turn on Elway in today's game because he couldn't throw in the big game and his passing statistics weren't all that impressive in the regular season. Like I said, he play very much like a Vince Young in the passing and run games.

Deny all you like but look at what you're saying about Cutler. It's laughable to me.
I think you missed the point - Elway never POUTED, he faced his screw ups like a MAN.
Elway was a WINNER, even over that 10 year period you talk about, 10-11-13 win seasons ... so who gives a **** if his QB rating sucked!

azbroncfan
10-26-2009, 10:03 AM
So you admit you would have sacked Fouts by year 2? ha ha.

Fact is if Elway was playing in Denver now, he'd probably be looked at as a Vince Young type.... in his first 10 years in the league, his QB rating surpassed 80 ONCE!!!! 83 in 1987 when he won the MVP. He finished with less than 70 TWICE! and in between 7 different times.

The fact is John Elway would be run out by most of you that hate Jay Cutler. You would whine about the candy incident, the demanding a trade incident, say he was a prima-donna and whatever kind of crap you could reach for.

You'll point to wins but ultimately you all would turn on Elway in today's game because he couldn't throw in the big game and his passing statistics weren't all that impressive in the regular season. Like I said, he play very much like a Vince Young in the passing and run games.

Deny all you like but look at what you're saying about Cutler. It's laughable to me.

No Elway was a winner and Jay is a good stat producing loser. QB rating is a joke anyway.

broncocalijohn
10-26-2009, 10:06 AM
So you admit you would have sacked Fouts by year 2? ha ha.

Fact is if Elway was playing in Denver now, he'd probably be looked at as a Vince Young type.... in his first 10 years in the league, his QB rating surpassed 80 ONCE!!!! 83 in 1987 when he won the MVP. He finished with less than 70 TWICE! and in between 7 different times.

The fact is John Elway would be run out by most of you that hate Jay Cutler. You would whine about the candy incident, the demanding a trade incident, say he was a prima-donna and whatever kind of crap you could reach for.

You'll point to wins but ultimately you all would turn on Elway in today's game because he couldn't throw in the big game and his passing statistics weren't all that impressive in the regular season. Like I said, he play very much like a Vince Young in the passing and run games.

Deny all you like but look at what you're saying about Cutler. It's laughable to me.

No, we didnt run him out of town because he won. Get it. No you dont. It comes down to wins and Elway seemed to find a way to turn it on when it mattered most. I know you are a total Cutler humper but I will take Elway/Orton and the wins and you can have your Fantasy Football stat hero anyday. I am in it for playing deep in January. You are satisfied that you win $250 around New Years from playing FF with Cutler at the helm of your "team". This isnt the Jay Cutler appreciation thread you were looking for. That one is buried somewhere deep in the OM archives and I doubt it has been bumped over at the Bears' boards.

Rohirrim
10-26-2009, 10:09 AM
Here's the Bear's remaining games:

8 Sun, Nov. 1 vs. Cleveland Browns CBS noon
9 Sun, Nov. 8 vs. Arizona Cardinals FOX noon.
10 Thu, Nov. 12 at San Francisco 49ers NFLN 7:20 p.m.
11 Sun, Nov. 22 vs. Philadelphia Eagles NBC 7:20 p.m.
12 Sun, Nov. 29 at Minnesota Vikings FOX noon.
13 Sun, Dec. 6 vs. St. Louis Rams FOX noon
14 Sun, Dec. 13 vs. Green Bay Packers FOX noon.
15 Sun, Dec. 20 at Baltimore Ravens FOX noon
16 Mon, Dec. 28 vs. Minnesota Vikings ESPN 7:20 p.m.
17 Sun, Jan. 3 at Detroit Lions

I can easily see six more losses. That still leaves them at 9 and 7. That still might be Mount Cody territory. ;D

Gort
10-26-2009, 11:04 AM
let's see... pay some idiot 1st round QB $20M-$40M right out of college and then wait 5 years until he can contribute. yeah, that makes sense.

stop swinging from Cutler nuts. he's getting a boatload of money. in exchange, he needs to perform NOW. not 5 years from now. you can't have the big guaranteed contracts of today and the QB style of mentoring from the 50's. money changed the game. everybody knows that.


Football's a team game. It would take an idiot to not realize this by now. There's lots of things that go into the sport like offense, defense, special teams, coaching, injuries... etc.

Bash Jay all you like, it doesn't make any difference. Until he gets some help, he's going to look like how he did yesterday. Still, his career stats are better than Brett Favre at this point in his career and while winning/playoff appearances are big to the overall status of a NFL QB, there are many things that go into determining how good a QB actually is. Just look at Dan Fouts. He didn't make it to the playoffs until his 7th year in the league. Yet he's nationally revered as one of the best throwing QB's in the history of the NFL and a hall of famer.

His stat line until 79' reads:

73': 1126 yds, 44% completion, 6 TD's, 11 INT's.
74': 1723 yds, 46% completion, 8 TD's, 13 INT's. **** ABOUT THIS POINT all of you would be calling for Fouts HEAD in today's NFL. HOF career CXLD ****
75': 1396 yds, 54% completion, 2 TD's, 10 INT's.
76': 2535 yds, 57% completion, 14 TD's, 15 INT's.
77': *INJ* 869 yds, 63% completion, 4 TD's, 6 INT's.
78': 3000 yds, 60% completion, 24 TD's, 20 INT's....

Also factor in that he never had a QB rating above 80 until his 6th year.

What am I saying? Most of you don't know what you're talking about in terms of QB's and also the difference in mindsets of how long it takes to develop a QB. Back in the day, 20 years ago, QB's were given YEARS to mature. Not A YEAR and if they aren't posting 30-10 TD/INT ratios after that, they're called a bust and ran out of town.

The fact is Cutler has been expected to carry this team since his 1st full season starting for the Broncos (unreasonable) and he's done an exceptional job STATISTICALLY from that point aside from an average record. Yes, there's still a lot of things he has to get better at but it's also a team game. He needs help.

Bash on. 93% percent of you refuse to hear anything positive about Cutler so this info is wasted on you.

Meck77
10-26-2009, 11:12 AM
l he needs to perform NOW. not 5 years from now. you can't have the big guaranteed contracts of today and the QB style of mentoring from the 50's. money changed the game. everybody knows that.

Aside from not making the playoffs as a Bronco I really believe that his diabetes factored into him being traded. Why would an owner want to invest $60MM bucks on a player who's health is in question. Yeah I know people can live with diabetes but I don't think an NFL qb with beetus can last too long.

I've said it plenty of times. I doubt Cutler will even be in the league too many more years as it is.

bpc
10-26-2009, 11:27 AM
Of course, you are the one showing your ignoarance by making a statistical comparison of a QB who played in the 70s and early 80s to defend a QB playing in the 21st century. If you were as smart as you think you are, you would know that passing offenses are FAR more sophisticated and efficient now than they were back then. The top QBs of that era put up numbers that in todays NFL would make them marginal starters at best (take a look at Terry Bradshaw's numbers sometime if you don't believe me). That wasn't because QBs are better now...it's because offenses are more sophisticated and are designed to run at a higher efficiency with greater emphasis on the short passing game. Plus, the rules help passing offenses greatly these days. You could mug a receiver back in Fouts day...of course he completed a lower percentage of his passes! Pretty much everyone did until Walsh came along.

In any case, it is you who looks like the ignorant fool as you continue to carry Jay's jock while he fails to live up to his vast potential. But, of course, it's everyone elses fault but his own, right BPC?

Really? Didn't Dan Marino throw up 48 TD's in 84? Wasn't that record only recently broken by Tom Brady/Peyton Manning by their uptempo attack? This info right here refutes your claim that QB's couldn't be productive in the late 70's/early 80's.

Also, I would counter balance your simple offense theory with how much more media attention these QB's have to face vs. back in those times. It's increased 10 fold.

People talked about John Elway the one night he gave away candy back in the 80's. Now we can't go a week without you all posting what he had to eat, or drink any given day. It's sad really.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 11:32 AM
You are right and have a great point but its okay to cheer on his and the Bears failure as it directly impacts us. So its essentially saying thank you to the Raiders or Chiefs. Sure Cutler and company can turn it around but there is a lot of pieces that need to be replaced or all of a sudden get good to do so.

Don't you think its a bit too early to celebrate what Cutler's departure from Denver has meant so far? For those wishing to thank Jay for a possible high to mid-round draft pick in next years draft, does not guarantee the draft pick will be an impact player or a 10 year Pro Bowl player. I know its fun to hope and wish next years 1st round pick from the Bears will turn to becoming the
2nd coming etc, however, the odds of 1st round selection never playing up to expectation or suffering a career ending injury are always a possibility.

The trade for Orton vs Cutler is way to early to judge on which team received the best deal. Mainly due to the age of both QB's who are both in their mid 20's. Right now hands down the Orton is playing lights out with the supporting cast and system he finds himself in. Whereas, Cutler remains a wait and see what happens in the next two years as the Bears GM attempts to revamp the O Line, tinker with an aging-injured Defense, the WR position, and possible the HC and OC positions.

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 11:45 AM
Really? Didn't Dan Marino throw up 48 TD's in 84? Wasn't that record only recently broken by Tom Brady/Peyton Manning by their uptempo attack? This info right here refutes your claim that QB's couldn't be productive in the late 70's/early 80's.

1984 was one of the first years the NFL adopted rules that cracked down on defenders mugging NFL receivers. 1984 is the mid-80s...that was right at the time QBs began putting up bigger numbers. You gave a sample of Fouts from the 70s. You haven't refuted anything. I also never said that QBs could not be productive back then, just that the standard of productivity was different because of the rules and offensive systems. And I'm right.

Also, I would counter balance your simple offense theory with how much more media attention these QB's have to face vs. back in those times. It's increased 10 fold.

People talked about John Elway the one night he gave away candy back in the 80's. Now we can't go a week without you all posting what he had to eat, or drink any given day. It's sad really.

This is relevant to Jay's failure to stop turning the ball over and win games...how? Brady, Manning, etc seem to deal with the scrutiny just fine.

bpc
10-26-2009, 11:47 AM
Wait, so he didn't have "help" in Denver?

One of the best offensive coaches in the world, a great line, multiple weapons and a running game that was probably middle of the pack.

What exactly does a "franchise" quarterback need, Chris? How much help does this guy need before he doesn't step on his own dick every game?


Again, man... just because some other QB in the past had a bad start doesn't mean Cutler is their equivalent. Heath Shuler had a bad start, too. How come we're not comparing Cutler to Shuler?


As for Cutler "carrying" the Broncos, you can kill that talk, too. He didn't carry jack-****. This team had a winning record when Plummer was benched and Cutler went on to 3 years of an overall losing record. Name ONE GAME where Cutler "carried" this team.

I'll name one where he didn't... Buffalo. Like every time Jay needs to step up and truly be a franchise QB, he can't manage it. Why? Because he's not a leader or a winner. Will he be, at some point? Sure... maybe. But right now, he's a loser with a losing record who takes horrible care of the football and regularly puts his team in a position to lose.



Sometimes it's easier to just see things for what they are, Chris.

More repetition of the same arguments we've had over and over. Cutler outproduced Jake Plummer over the games he started in 2006. The defense blew it down the stretch. Fact.

Cutler got weapons only after he had been starting a season or two. Fact. Brandon Marshall developed WITH Jay Cutler. By his arm. No other way to discuss that. Outside of that his WR position was a joke until Shanahan drafted Royal last season. We had Stokely starting (couldn't hold up against injury), a broken down Rod Smith, a broken down Javon Walker, and GLEN MARTINEZ. No other point needs to be made after this against his WR's.

His starting tackles two years ago was a emotionless drugged up Matt Lepsis, and Erik Pears who was a swinging gate. His OL was completely in flux with guys going into and out of the lineup... IT WAS TERRIBLE. Kuper's progression, along with picking up Weigmann, and drafting Ryan Harris and Ryan Clady ultimately gave Jay the great OL you saw last year.

As for HB... really, who was our HB for more than a 4 game stretch? It was a position marred by inexperience and backups manning the position. Really, how can you not see that with Tatum working in a Mall Kiosk one week and then starting for us the next game?

As for our defense, it was terrible. There's no other way to say it. With the loss of Al Wilson, DWill, Pryce, and crucial injuries to Champ and DJ last season, the unit was crippled and undercoached.

All this info and Jay's statistic refute claims that Jay is garbage. Rather a QB with great skills and a equally great growth pattern expected to shoulder the load in every situation he's been in, against all odds.

I can empathize with people that say he can act petulant.

Like I said, it will be years down the road until we see how good Jay really is because there aren't a lot of factors in his favor right now. Bad offensive coaching, terrible OL, and a great defense that has suffered numerous injuries and decline in play. Once again being forced to shoulder the load of the organization.

There you have it.

bpc
10-26-2009, 11:53 AM
Here you go, Chris... the score is zero-zero. Early in the game, so no sense of urgency to do anything stupid.

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Go ahead an educate us all about how this was the result of "Jay not having enough help."

Maybe I'm missing it. Looks to me like (another) poor decision, sloppy mechanics and just plain stupidity.

But, I'm sure this is Devin Hester's fault.... or someone else.

It's a bad throw, but worse pass protection. He holds that ball one more second and you anti-Cutler fans all are happy because he's sitting out with a concussion for multiple games and posting several youtube clips laughing about it. Two unblocked players running full speed right at him. Jay still has learning to do. I never said he didn't. He should just launch that into the stands.

Here's a question, why hasn't Matt Forte ran for more than 60 yds this season besides two games?

Come on. You're smarter than that B. You know the OL is horrible.

bpc
10-26-2009, 12:01 PM
I don't think you're doing much laughing. Reading between the lines in every one of your posts I see someone who's still sore about the firing of Shanahan and the trading of Cutler. You're far from over it. And despite the results so far you still think you're right that both were mistakes. You're living in the past.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for Shanahan and Cutler's ability. Guilty on all accounts.

My anger over the firing has subsided with the fact that we were 4-0 and have now reached 6-0. I actually have given several compliments to style of play, attitude and demeanor of McDaniels through the preseason. Hell, I even paid to go see Denver's first preseason game at SF, and despite some really stupid INT's in the red zone, i thought he looked pretty damn good. He's sharpened up a lot from then.

I'm looking at thing in black and white. Denver looks great, Orton looks great, McDaniels looks like a prodigy. I HOPE HE IS. That's good for me, us, and Denver. We're Broncos fans and we want to win. Right?

To call Cutler a crappy QB is stupid. He's far from that. He has some growing up to do and he definitely could use a lot better coaching that Shanahan would have given him in Denver this season. Instead he's in Chicago, with a coaching staff that has never been able to produce great QB play along with one of the worst OL's in the league. It's hallmark, the defense, has suffered numerous crippling injuries and is fading fast. This team compares to the 2007 Broncos with a very poor OL, and lack of experience at the WR position and a declining defense. That's all fact.

Smirk, laugh, have fun at Jay's expense. I'm not fretting about it because he's a good QB with great skills and a pro bowl to his name. What he needs is some help and good coaching. As I said earlier, football is a team game. Not one person is going to succeed when they are surrounded by trash. Peyton Manning would be getting killed behind that Bears OL.

Enjoy the hate parade though.

azbroncfan
10-26-2009, 12:02 PM
Aside from not making the playoffs as a Bronco I really believe that his diabetes factored into him being traded. Why would an owner want to invest $60MM bucks on a player who's health is in question. Yeah I know people can live with diabetes but I don't think an NFL qb with beetus can last too long.

I've said it plenty of times. I doubt Cutler will even be in the league too many more years as it is.

Especially the way he can put down the coorslight's. Can't be good for your health especially with his disease.

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 12:05 PM
It's a bad throw, but worse pass protection. He holds that ball one more second and you anti-Cutler fans all are happy because he's sitting out with a concussion for multiple games and posting several youtube clips laughing about it. Two unblocked players running full speed right at him. Jay still has learning to do. I never said he didn't. He should just launch that into the stands.

Here's a question, why hasn't Matt Forte ran for more than 60 yds this season besides two games?

Come on. You're smarter than that B. You know the OL is horrible.

It's the same OL Orton had to deal with. Actually, folks like you said in the offseason it was improved because they signed Pace to play LT and former 1st rounder Chris Williams was returning from injury to play RT. You guys also told us that Cutler's quick release and ability to scramble would make the OL look better than lead-footed Orton could. You also said the running game would improve because teams would have to respect Cutler in the passing game unlike with noodle-armed Orton. Why does the OL look worse, BPC? Why is the running game worse? I am certainly not blaming Cutler for any of that, but you guys said he was a franchise QB. Franchise QBs elevate the play of those around them. They aren't playing any better than they did with Orton, and are actually worse in some respects.

bpc
10-26-2009, 12:06 PM
Aside from not making the playoffs as a Bronco I really believe that his diabetes factored into him being traded. Why would an owner want to invest $60MM bucks on a player who's health is in question. Yeah I know people can live with diabetes but I don't think an NFL qb with beetus can last too long.

I've said it plenty of times. I doubt Cutler will even be in the league too many more years as it is.

This is a legitimate point and could have been a factor.

TonyR
10-26-2009, 12:16 PM
It's the same OL Orton had to deal with. Actually, folks like you said in the offseason it was improved because they signed Pace to play LT and former 1st rounder Chris Williams was returning from injury to play RT. You guys also told us that Cutler's quick release and ability to scramble would make the OL look better than lead-footed Orton could. You also said the running game would improve because teams would have to respect Cutler in the passing game unlike with noodle-armed Orton. Why does the OL look worse, BPC? Why is the running game worse? I am certainly not blaming Cutler for any of that, but you guys said he was a franchise QB. Franchise QBs elevate the play of those around them. They aren't playing any better than they did with Orton, and are actually worse in some respects.

Yep, and just as the McD haters said he had to go at least 8-8 or he was a failure, Cutler better take the Bears to at least 9-7 (last year's record with Orton) or he's a failure. Right?

TailgateNut
10-26-2009, 12:25 PM
Yep, and just as the McD haters said he had to go at least 8-8 or he was a failure, Cutler better take the Bears to at least 9-7 (last year's record with Orton) or he's a failure. Right?

No it wont be. They'll just throw the blame around like their superhero does.

Bronx33
10-26-2009, 12:30 PM
It's a bad throw, but worse pass protection. He holds that ball one more second and you anti-Cutler fans all are happy because he's sitting out with a concussion for multiple games and posting several youtube clips laughing about it. Two unblocked players running full speed right at him. Jay still has learning to do. I never said he didn't. He should just launch that into the stands.

Here's a question, why hasn't Matt Forte ran for more than 60 yds this season besides two games?

Come on. You're smarter than that B. You know the OL is horrible.


Ok so you're saying jay has a poor OL? lets look at it another way jay had a great OL here in denver and still threw 18 INTs now is it a poor OL or is it jay.

bpc
10-26-2009, 12:42 PM
1984 was one of the first years the NFL adopted rules that cracked down on defenders mugging NFL receivers. 1984 is the mid-80s...that was right at the time QBs began putting up bigger numbers. You gave a sample of Fouts from the 70s. You haven't refuted anything. I also never said that QBs could not be productive back then, just that the standard of productivity was different because of the rules and offensive systems. And I'm right.



This is relevant to Jay's failure to stop turning the ball over and win games...how? Brady, Manning, etc seem to deal with the scrutiny just fine.

Oh you're right. 4 or 5 years vastly changed the ability for QB's to have big impacts because of rule changes and complex offenses...(?) Doesn't make sense but whatever. Look at stats before you post. Fouts stats were posted from the mid-70's, early 80's. Pass defense rule changes were enacted in 1978. Really, how much did the position change in that time to 84'? By average league leaders in TD passes from 75'-85' averaged between 25-32 outside of Marino's statistical anomaly in 84' of 48 td passes. Nothing really changed.

The media attention I speak of is only one aspect of why QB's now have it harder than ever before. If you don't like that reason, why don't you argue that 100% of the league is bigger, stronger, faster, and better coached than ever before. Just as you state offenses playbooks are so "advanced" compared to the 70's and 80's, so are the conditions that the QB's have to deal with. Look at the defenses for instance. There are more defenses THAN ever before to stop passing games. 4-3, 3-4, nickel, dime, prevent, 3-3-5, 4-2-5, zone blitz. The list goes on and on. QB's now are expected to be better than ever before, faster than ever before and the wall they must climb to get there is treacherous.

Ultimately, every argument you use can be turned around and used against you and you're looking like a fool.

Keep preaching about how 3 or 4 years dramatically turned the page in NFL history for QB's and it's SO MUCH easier for players to succeed now.

Laughable.

broncocalijohn
10-26-2009, 12:48 PM
Ok so you're saying jay has a poor OL? lets look at it another way jay had a great OL here in denver and still threw 18 INTs now is it a poor OL or is it jay.

when it comes to love fest for Jay, it is always somebody else to Rastaman and bpc. Hey, If Cutler can blame everyone else but himself, why cant his fanclub do the same?

bpc
10-26-2009, 12:49 PM
Ok so you're saying jay has a poor OL? lets look at it another way jay had a great OL here in denver and still threw 18 INTs now is it a poor OL or is it jay.

We need a power drill to stick this info into some of your heads.

How many starting tailbacks last year? You must have balance to be good in this league, along with consistency.

The pass blocking was great but the run game was far from fluid and the defense was the worst in the league.

I know, a full year has passed and most of you have forgotten how ill-equipped this team was last season in 3 phases of football. Rebuilding was unheard of under Shanny but the past 3 seasons were just that as we rebuilt after Plummer couldn't win the big one and Mike understood he never would.

It's easy to make Jay the scapegoat. He was the face of this franchise after just 10 games as a Bronco and was expected to lead Denver to the super bowl within his 40 games, terrible defense, lacking running game and all.

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 01:57 PM
Oh you're right. 4 or 5 years vastly changed the ability for QB's to have big impacts because of rule changes and complex offenses...(?) Doesn't make sense but whatever. Look at stats before you post. Fouts stats were posted from the mid-70's, early 80's. Pass defense rule changes were enacted in 1978. Really, how much did the position change in that time to 84'? By average league leaders in TD passes from 75'-85' averaged between 25-32 outside of Marino's statistical anomaly in 84' of 48 td passes. Nothing really changed.

The media attention I speak of is only one aspect of why QB's now have it harder than ever before. If you don't like that reason, why don't you argue that 100% of the league is bigger, stronger, faster, and better coached than ever before. Just as you state offenses playbooks are so "advanced" compared to the 70's and 80's, so are the conditions that the QB's have to deal with. Look at the defenses for instance. There are more defenses THAN ever before to stop passing games. 4-3, 3-4, nickel, dime, prevent, 3-3-5, 4-2-5, zone blitz. The list goes on and on. QB's now are expected to be better than ever before, faster than ever before and the wall they must climb to get there is treacherous.

Ultimately, every argument you use can be turned around and used against you and you're looking like a fool.

Keep preaching about how 3 or 4 years dramatically turned the page in NFL history for QB's and it's SO MUCH easier for players to succeed now.

Laughable.

LOL

You just made a complete idiot of yourself. You lazily took only one stat--TD passes--then looked at only one player per year (the league leader) and assumed no difference in passing offenses. If you were as smart as you think you are, you would know that you have to look at league wide trends in statistical analysis to tell anything, not just an isolated stat for an isolated player. But I did the research for you:

In 1975, here is what the NFL averages for all teams were on the season in terms of passing numbers (it's fair to note that they played 14 games in 1975, so I've used per game averages):

Completion %: 52.5
Yards per game: 162.8
Touchdowns: 16.7
INTs: 20.5
Rating: 62.8

Here for 1984:

Completion %: 56.4
Yards per game: 205.9
Touchdowns: 22.0
INTs: 20.9
Rating: 73.2

You can see a clear statistical upward arc in the passing game from the mid-70s to mid-80s. Yards and completion percentages are significantly up. TD passes are up and INTs down even if adjusted to per game. Now let's look at last season to see if it really tells us anything to compare Fouts' numbers from the mid-70s with Cutler's from 2008:

Completion %: 61.0
Yards per game: 211.3
Touchdowns: 20.2
INTs: 14.5
Rating: 81.5

As you can see, the average QB rating was nearly 20 points higher in 2008 than it was in 1975! Completion percentages nearly 10 points higher. Nearly 50 yards per game difference. INTs are down over 6 on average. The only number that isn't WAY higher on average than 1975 is TD passes. Only a fool would try to compare stats from the two eras to prove some kind of point. "Oh, look, Cutler's numbers from 2006-2008 are better than Dan Fouts' from the mid-to-late 70s!" No sh*t, sherlock Hilarious!

Archer81
10-26-2009, 01:58 PM
We need a power drill to stick this info into some of your heads.

How many starting tailbacks last year? You must have balance to be good in this league, along with consistency.

The pass blocking was great but the run game was far from fluid and the defense was the worst in the league.

I know, a full year has passed and most of you have forgotten how ill-equipped this team was last season in 3 phases of football. Rebuilding was unheard of under Shanny but the past 3 seasons were just that as we rebuilt after Plummer couldn't win the big one and Mike understood he never would.

It's easy to make Jay the scapegoat. He was the face of this franchise after just 10 games as a Bronco and was expected to lead Denver to the super bowl within his 40 games, terrible defense, lacking running game and all.

And so he went to Chicago...with a sound running game and a good defense...err....


:Broncos:

leon
10-26-2009, 02:01 PM
Who cares a rats*** about cutler, he is not our qb!!! And im glad his sorry a** is in chicago!!!

Eldorado
10-26-2009, 02:03 PM
LOL

You just made a complete idiot of yourself. You lazily took only one stat--TD passes--then looked at only one player per year (the league leader) and assumed no difference in passing offenses. If you were as smart as you think you are, you would know that you have to look at league wide trends in statistical analysis to tell anything, not just an isolated stat for an isolated player. But I did the research for you:

Only a fool would try to compare stats from the two eras to prove some kind of point. "Oh, look, Cutler's numbers from 2006-2008 are better than Dan Fouts' from the mid-to-late 70s!" No sh*t, sherlock Hilarious!

pwnt

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 02:10 PM
BTW, my source for the above numbers was www.pro-football-reference.com

errand
10-26-2009, 02:26 PM
1984 was one of the first years the NFL adopted rules that cracked down on defenders mugging NFL receivers. 1984 is the mid-80s...that was right at the time QBs began putting up bigger numbers. You gave a sample of Fouts from the 70s. You haven't refuted anything. I also never said that QBs could not be productive back then, just that the standard of productivity was different because of the rules and offensive systems. And I'm right.




...let's also not forget that in '78 the NFL went to a 16 game schedule...which gives QB's another two games to pad their stats.

A 1,000 yard rusher in '75 had to average 71 yards per game to reach that benchmark. Nowadays he only has to average just under 63 yards.

Conversely a QB that threw for 3000 yards had to average 214 ypg in '75...while now he only has to average 187.

And let's not forget that nowadays the WR's are like 6"2" 220 lbs vs 5"10" 180 lbs back in the old days....bigger targets the size of power forwards make it a bit easier to complete passes.

errand
10-26-2009, 02:43 PM
We need a power drill to stick this info into some of your heads.

How many starting tailbacks last year? You must have balance to be good in this league, along with consistency.

The pass blocking was great but the run game was far from fluid and the defense was the worst in the league.



Let's look at this horrible running game you blame for 18 of Jay's 18 INT's and all of his losses.

Peyton Hillis averaged 5.0 yards per att and scored 5TD's

Michael Pittman averaged 4.2 yards per att. and scored 4 TD's

Selvyn Young averaged 5.0 ypc and scored 1 TD

Tatum Bell came from a Verizon kiosk and averaged 5.7 ypc. and scored 2 Td's

Ryan Torain averagd 4.6 ypc and scored 1 TD

P.J. Pope averaged 7.6 ypc

Andre Hall averaged 4.1 ypc.

Granted you could argue having several RB's playing behind you could be a hindrance, but the numbers say otherwise.

No matter WHO we put behind Jay, they still got a minimum of 4 yards per carry...and as a team we averaged 4.8 yards per carry...rushed for 1862 yards, scored 15 TD's..which ranked us 12th overall in the NFL.

So are you telling us that Jay Cutler couldn't win with the NFL's 12th best rushing attack and arguably the NFL's best pass blocking OL? Well, wait a minute...we know he couldn't, because he didn't.

You know you really should do some research before you talk excrement....

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 02:46 PM
Let's look at this horrible running game you blame for 18 of Jay's 18 INT's and all of his losses.

Peyton Hillis averaged 5.0 yards per att and scored 5TD's

Michael Pittman averaged 4.2 yards per att. and scored 4 TD's

Selvyn Young averaged 5.0 ypc and scored 1 TD

Tatum Bell came from a Verizon kiosk and averaged 5.7 ypc. and scored 2 Td's

Ryan Torain averagd 4.6 ypc and scored 1 TD

P.J. Pope averaged 7.6 ypc

Andre Hall averaged 4.1 ypc.

Granted you could argue having several RB's playing behind you could be a hindrance, but the numbers say otherwise.

No matter WHO we put behind Jay, they still got a minimum of 4 yards per carry...and as a team we averaged 4.8 yards per carry...rushed for 1862 yards, scored 15 TD's..which ranked us 12th overall in the NFL.

So are you telling us that Jay Cutler couldn't win without the NFL's 12th best rushing attack and arguably the NFL's best pass blocking OL? Well, wait a minute...we know he couldn't, because he didn't.

You know you really should do some research before you talk excrement....


But, errand, you missed the memo...the running game was only that productive because teams were terrified of Jay Cutler.

Bronx33
10-26-2009, 02:52 PM
Let's look at this horrible running game you blame for 18 of Jay's 18 INT's and all of his losses.

Peyton Hillis averaged 5.0 yards per att and scored 5TD's

Michael Pittman averaged 4.2 yards per att. and scored 4 TD's

Selvyn Young averaged 5.0 ypc and scored 1 TD

Tatum Bell came from a Verizon kiosk and averaged 5.7 ypc. and scored 2 Td's

Ryan Torain averagd 4.6 ypc and scored 1 TD

P.J. Pope averaged 7.6 ypc

Andre Hall averaged 4.1 ypc.

Granted you could argue having several RB's playing behind you could be a hindrance, but the numbers say otherwise.

No matter WHO we put behind Jay, they still got a minimum of 4 yards per carry...and as a team we averaged 4.8 yards per carry...rushed for 1862 yards, scored 15 TD's..which ranked us 12th overall in the NFL.

So are you telling us that Jay Cutler couldn't win without the NFL's 12th best rushing attack and arguably the NFL's best pass blocking OL? Well, wait a minute...we know he couldn't, because he didn't.

You know you really should do some research before you talk excrement....


I didn't have the energy thanks errand and bpc just let it go jay is jays own fault the excuses need to stop if jay went to the bears to win SB it's not going to be anytime soon if he went there for a huge pay raise he accomplished his mission.

Swedish Extrovert
10-26-2009, 02:54 PM
Cutler could be the best "if only" QB in the NFL ...

2008 - IF ONLY he had a Defense.
2008 - IF ONLY he had a reliable RB.

2009 - IF ONLY he had better WRs.

Good QBs make those other guys look good.

broncocalijohn
10-26-2009, 02:58 PM
Who cares a rats*** about cutler, he is not our qb!!! And im glad his sorry a** is in chicago!!!

then you follow along with the thread title. You appreciate Jay for being in Chicago.

Ironlung
10-26-2009, 02:59 PM
if you throw off your back foot several times a game, you are a crap qb.

if you refuse to throw the ball away, and would rather just throw it up, you are a crap qb.

i've watched every bronco game cutler has played in & i've NEVER, I repeat NEVER seen him throw the ball away and move onto the next play. Hell, i've never seen the guy pumpfake!

broncocalijohn
10-26-2009, 03:06 PM
if you throw off your back foot several times a game, you are a crap qb.

if you refuse to throw the ball away, and would rather just throw it up, you are a crap qb.

i've watched every bronco game cutler has played in & i've NEVER, I repeat NEVER seen him throw the ball away and move onto the next play. Hell, i've never seen the guy pumpfake!

Very true and I think he doesnt pumpfake because he is a slinger with a gun better than Elway so why would he waste his time faking out the opponent when he is good enough to just sling it in there?

rastaman
10-26-2009, 03:22 PM
Wait, so he didn't have "help" in Denver?

One of the best offensive coaches in the world, a great line, multiple weapons and a running game that was probably middle of the pack.

What exactly does a "franchise" quarterback need, Chris? How much help does this guy need before he doesn't step on his own dick every game?


Again, man... just because some other QB in the past had a bad start doesn't mean Cutler is their equivalent. Heath Shuler had a bad start, too. How come we're not comparing Cutler to Shuler?


As for Cutler "carrying" the Broncos, you can kill that talk, too. He didn't carry jack-****. This team had a winning record when Plummer was benched and Cutler went on to 3 years of an overall losing record. Name ONE GAME where Cutler "carried" this team.

I'll name one where he didn't... Buffalo. Like every time Jay needs to step up and truly be a franchise QB, he can't manage it. Why? Because he's not a leader or a winner. Will he be, at some point? Sure... maybe. But right now, he's a loser with a losing record who takes horrible care of the football and regularly puts his team in a position to lose.

Sometimes it's easier to just see things for what they are, Chris.

Popps you're just a little too emotional here! First, Orton is playing very well for a team with the top rated defense. Cutler is forced to carry the entire offense in Chicago since the running game is in the toilet (Turner ***** sucks, fire his ass). Offensive line needs to do some stunts. The have average receivers and rely on tight ends too much, and would it kill them to get a fullback? Also, Bears defense has been on life support. Special teams still kicks ass, but you don't win a lot of games with that alone (proven in the Superbowl against Indy)

So, head to head, Cutler in Chicago is outperforming what I think Orton would have done in Chicago. Mind you, I have nothting against Orton and would loved to see him succeed and get a long term top 5 or 10 contract. But lets not ignore that the state the Bears team team today, had Orton still been the QB in 09, he'd be 1-4 right now.

3-3 isn't bad, considering the Atlanta loss could be blamed on a false start (and a lot of other stupid stuff, but he fot them back to the 2 yard line) and Green Bay, well, firrst game jitters (and 4 interceptions), and the game against Cincy......ya gotta blame the coaches as well, b/c not only was the team not prepared to play against Cincy; the team also quit. Turner and Lovee both have got their work cut out for themselves.

Honestly, keep the Bears away from Sunday night games and they should be ok.:thumbsup:

rastaman
10-26-2009, 03:35 PM
Good QBs make those other guys look good.

A great offensive line will do wonders for a QB's season and career. A QB playing with a top 10 Defense, with a cast of good/gread WR's, great running back or running attack by commitee can make the pro bowl(s) and appear in and win some SB's.

Well balanced good teams win in the playoffs and win SB's. The Bears and Cutler don't quite have that balance. However, Orton and this years Broncos are just the opposite.

If the Mike Nolan's 3-4 Defense can avoid the injury and Dawkins has enough gas in the tank and young legs.....theres no reason Orton can't get this years Broncos to the SB!

OABB
10-26-2009, 03:42 PM
popps you're just a little too emotional here! First, orton is playing very well for a team with the top rated defense. Cutler is forced to carry the entire offense in chicago since the running game is in the toilet (turner ***** sucks, fire his ass). Offensive line needs to do some stunts. The have average receivers and rely on tight ends too much, and would it kill them to get a fullback? Also, bears defense has been on life support. Special teams still kicks ass, but you don't win a lot of games with that alone (proven in the superbowl against indy)

so, head to head, cutler in chicago is outperforming what i think orton would have done in chicago. Mind you, i have nothting against orton and would loved to see him succeed and get a long term top 5 or 10 contract. But lets not ignore that the state the bears team team today, had orton still been the qb in 09, he'd be 1-4 right now.

3-3 isn't bad, considering the atlanta loss could be blamed on a false start (and a lot of other stupid stuff, but he fot them back to the 2 yard line) and green bay, well, firrst game jitters (and 4 interceptions), and the game against cincy......ya gotta blame the coaches as well, b/c not only was the team not prepared to play against cincy; the team also quit. Turner and lovee both have got their work cut out for themselves.

Honestly, keep the bears away from sunday night games and they should be ok.:thumbsup:

25332

scorpio
10-26-2009, 03:48 PM
I came across this gem on CP. Irony much?

http://imgur.com/efU77.png

Swedish Extrovert
10-26-2009, 03:50 PM
A great offensive line will do wonders for a QB's season and career. A QB playing with a top 10 Defense, with a cast of good/gread WR's, great running back or running attack by commitee can make the pro bowl(s) and appear in and win some SB's.

Well balanced good teams win in the playoffs and win SB's. The Bears and Cutler don't quite have that balance. However, Orton and this years Broncos are just the opposite.

If the Mike Nolan's 3-4 Defense can avoid the injury and Dawkins has enough gas in the tank and young legs.....theres no reason Orton can't get this years Broncos to the SB!

ie Brady

Bronx33
10-26-2009, 03:51 PM
i came across this gem on cp. Irony much?

http://imgur.com/efu77.png


lmao!

rastaman
10-26-2009, 03:56 PM
And so he went to Chicago...with a sound running game and a good defense...err....


:Broncos:

Jay went to Chicago b/c they promised they wouldn't trade him over the next 4 to 6 years. McDaniels told Jay he couldn't promise him Jack Shiat. Sounds like an easy decision if you ask me. You go where you're wanted. McDaniels wasn't sure that Cutler was the QB he was looking for. Josh decided he needed another QB to help him win games. McD figured with the cast of key players Shanahan left him in terms of Offensive Line, great WR's, and Players like Doomerville and Champ Bailey, all he needed was another QB that fit his scheme....and he's on his way----CHAMPIONSHIP BABY!.:~ohyah!:

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 03:59 PM
But lets not ignore that the state the Bears team team today, had Orton still been the QB in 09, he'd be 1-4 right now.

Orton would not have thrown 4 picks in the opener against Green Bay, so the Bears probably win that one with him starting. He also would not likely have thrown the 2 INTs, including a red zone pick, against Atlanta. So, they may have won that one with Orton as well. He might not have beaten the Steelers or Seahawks, but I say they'd probably be 3-3 just like they are now.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 04:01 PM
ie Brady

Exactly! No one expected Brady and the 2001 NE Patriots to win the SB. There's no reason Orton and the 2009 Broncos with Mike Nolans' 3-4 Defense can't win the SB this year.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 04:04 PM
25332

Hello they're Organge-Red Blood.:wiggle:

rastaman
10-26-2009, 04:07 PM
Orton would not have thrown 4 picks in the opener against Green Bay, so the Bears probably win that one with him starting. He also would not likely have thrown the 2 INTs, including a red zone pick, against Atlanta. So, they may have won that one with Orton as well. He might not have beaten the Steelers or Seahawks, but I say they'd probably be 3-3 just like they are now.

What would Cutler's record be in Denver had Shanny remained our coach and Mike Nolan was hired and allowed to put in the 3-4 defense?

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 04:10 PM
What would Cutler's record be in Denver had Shanny remained our coach and Mike Nolan was hired and allowed to put in the 3-4 defense?

Shanny was never going to hire Nolan. Besides, it wasn't just bringing in Nolan...it was also the overhaul of the defensive personnel that wasn't going to happen under Shanny either, plus the change-up in practices to emphasize tackling and toughness rather than trying to avoid injury.

In any case, his record couldn't possibly be any better than it's been with McD/Orton. Most likely he would have thrown a costly pick or two at some point that would have cost us at least a game.

barryr
10-26-2009, 04:21 PM
It took Bledsoe getting hurt or who knows when Brady would have been given a chance to play.

Shanahan was wanting to keep Slowik so much he out his job on the line for it for some reason that I never understood. Shanahan did not put enough attention or focus on the defense or special teams for that matter. He apparently was going with the philosophy of hoping to win 35-31 type games.

bpc
10-26-2009, 04:34 PM
This thread is hilarious. Honestly, we could go back and forth for days Cutler's reputation is not going to established by his 1st year starting, or even this year. It will ultimately be determined 5-10 years from now based on where he is at, win's, super bowls and all the rest.

Go Broncos.

Ironlung
10-26-2009, 04:47 PM
This thread is hilarious. Honestly, we could go back and forth for days but honestly, Cutler's reputation is not going to established by his 1st year starting, or even this year. It will ultimately be determined 5-10 years from now based on where he is at, win's, super bowls and all the rest.

Go Broncos.

Well then he'd better grow up, grow a brain, and learn some quarterback mechanics because his are awful.

NYBronco
10-26-2009, 05:07 PM
Mcdaniels was the first to see what Cutler lacked. Bowlen fired Cutler on principle.

I'm beginning to think Bowlen knew the only way to get Cutler out of town was to get rid of Shanahan.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 05:14 PM
Shanny was never going to hire Nolan. Besides, it wasn't just bringing in Nolan...it was also the overhaul of the defensive personnel that wasn't going to happen under Shanny either, plus the change-up in practices to emphasize tackling and toughness rather than trying to avoid injury.

In any case, his record couldn't possibly be any better than it's been with McD/Orton. Most likely he would have thrown a costly pick or two at some point that would have cost us at least a game.

I'd say the the infrastructure left to McD by Shanny, thus far I would give McD 50% of the credit and Shanny 50% thus far.

tsiguy96
10-26-2009, 05:15 PM
rasta youre an idiot, go away and quit trying to do everything possible to discredit mcdaniels work

rastaman
10-26-2009, 05:17 PM
I'm beginning to think Bowlen knew the only way to get Cutler out of town was to get rid of Shanahan.

Yep never knew Bowlen and McD had Nostradamus capability.

Popps
10-26-2009, 05:18 PM
Yep never knew Bowlen and McD had Nostradamus capability.

You were too busy barfing out nonsense as opposed to listening to some of the longer-term fans around here who told you not to panic.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 05:20 PM
rasta youre an idiot, go away and quit trying to do everything possible to discredit mcdaniels work

Hey Tisguy96 you're the idiot if you foolishly try to discredit Shanny despite the fact it was Shanny's drafted and signed players that are responsible for the TD's and offensive production. Its not like McDaniels brought all the Offensive talent with him. Shanny's Offensive line and his WR's are one of the main reasons Denver is now 6-0. Do you deny this fact!!!

Popps
10-26-2009, 05:26 PM
Hey Tisguy96 you're the idiot if you foolishly try to discredit Shanny despite the fact it was Shanny's drafted and signed players that are responsible for the TD's and offensive production. Its not like McDaniels brought all the Offensive talent with him. Shanny's Offensive line and his WR's are one of the main reasons Denver is now 6-0. Do you deny this fact!!!

:rofl: :giggle:!Booya! :rofl: :~ohyah!:

The great things about fools is that they just can't wait to tell the world.

Just awesome.

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 05:27 PM
I'd say the the infrastructure left to McD by Shanny, thus far I would give McD 50% of the credit and Shanny 50% thus far.

Then you're an idiot. 12 of the 22 starters are new. 12! Besides, Shanny did leave some good players behind, but he could not win with them. You don't get credit for selecting players...you get credit for winning with players. Shanny did not do that his last three seasons. McDaniels gets ALL the credit for this turnaround.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 05:27 PM
You were too busy barfing out nonsense as opposed to listening to some of the longer-term fans around here who told you not to panic.

Well Popps-Goes-The-Weasel......I guess the pundits around the entire NFL was barfing out nonsense after the disney on parade fiasco that happened in the offseason. Oh well 6-0, I guess we got to build a big band wagon.....right! I had no Idea that so many Shanahan drafted and signed players would have played such huge impactfull roles at this stage. Nor could have anyone predicted Nolan's 3-4 Defense could turn around such a porous defense. Who would have ever thunked it.;D

Paladin
10-26-2009, 05:29 PM
Shanahan lost. Get over it.....

Archer81
10-26-2009, 05:30 PM
Well Popps-Goes-The-Weasel......I guess the pundits around the entire NFL was barfing out nonsense after the disney on parade fiasco that happened in the offseason. Oh well 6-0, I guess we got to build a big band wagon.....right! I had no Idea that so many Shanahan drafted and signed players would have played such huge impactfull roles at this stage. Nor could have anyone predicted Nolan's 3-4 Defense could turn around such a porous defense. Who would have ever thunked it.;D


I suppose 9 new starters on defense, 3 on offense, and 30 new players on the roster overall just kind of shoots your theory in the gourd, now doesnt it...


:Broncos:

rastaman
10-26-2009, 05:32 PM
Then you're an idiot. 15 of the 22 starters are new. 15! Besides, Shanny did leave some good players behind, but he could not win with them. You don't get credit for selecting players...you get credit for winning with players. Shanny did not do that his last three seasons. McDaniels gets ALL the credit for this turnaround.

Bull-Shiiiiiat! Shanny players thus far as in his WR's and his O Line have played huge roles in scoring winning TD's and the O Line now has Orton on pace for the Pro Bowl.

By the way, the WR McD did bring in by the the name of Gaffney has yet to make an impact nor score any TD's. Stockely, Marshall, Schefler, and Royal have all made impactfull and game winning contributions thus far.

How many victories would McD have right now w/o Shanny's O Line and Shanny's WR's???? Care to take a guess!

Dagmar
10-26-2009, 05:33 PM
Buff, rasta & socal - http://i32.tinypic.com/23ifrit.jpg

rastaman
10-26-2009, 05:34 PM
I suppose 9 new starters on defense, 3 on offense, and 30 new players on the roster overall just kind of shoots your theory in the gourd, now doesnt it...


:Broncos:

Which one of those 30 new players had game winning TD's thus far!!!8')

Archer81
10-26-2009, 05:36 PM
Which one of those 30 new players had game winning TD's thus far!!!8')


...How many of those games were winnable because of the 1. d coordinator Mcdaniels brought in and 2. defense they are fielding, with players signed and drafted by McDaniels?


:Broncos:

rastaman
10-26-2009, 05:36 PM
Buff, rasta & socal - http://i32.tinypic.com/23ifrit.jpg

McDanels goes to bed at night thanking his lucky stars that Shanny left him the O Line, the WR's, Champ Bailey, DJ Williams and Doomerville.

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 05:37 PM
Bull-Shiiiiiat! Shanny players thus far as in his WR's and his O Line have played huge roles in scoring winning TD's and the O Line now has Orton on pace for the Pro Bowl.

By the way, the WR McD did bring in by the the name of Gaffney has yet to make an impact nor score any TD's. Stockely, Marshall, Schefler, and Royal have all made impactfull and game winning contributions thus far.

How many victories would McD have right now w/o Shanny's O Line and Shanny's WR's???? Care to take a guess!

McD had to replace half the garbage Shanny left him, and close to the entire defense. Plus, like I said, Shanny couldn't win with those players. He picked a few good players as GM...great. He either did not pick/sign enough of them or else he didn't coach them well enough. Either way, he could not produce satisfactory results the last three seasons...so, no, he gets no credit for McDs turnaround.

By your ridiculous logic, Parcells and Sparano owe an awful lot of their 10 game turnaround to the "infrastructure" that Randy Mueller and Cam Cameron left behind. Nevermind the fact that they were 1-15!

rastaman
10-26-2009, 05:39 PM
...How many of those games were winnable because of the 1. d coordinator Mcdaniels brought in and 2. defense they are fielding, with players signed and drafted by McDaniels?


:Broncos:

Its a team game no doubt about it. However, the Defense wasn't scoring game winning TD's. Shanny's offensive players have scored just enough points to get this team to 6-0, the Offensive line that Shanny drafted has Orton on pace to the pro bowl. Are you denying this fact?

tsiguy96
10-26-2009, 05:40 PM
Hey Tisguy96 you're the idiot if you foolishly try to discredit Shanny despite the fact it was Shanny's drafted and signed players that are responsible for the TD's and offensive production. Its not like McDaniels brought all the Offensive talent with him. Shanny's Offensive line and his WR's are one of the main reasons Denver is now 6-0. Do you deny this fact!!!

those players, the 2 WR and 5 OL, were on the same 8-8 squad as last year. this team led by mcdaniels is 6-0 so far. the main reason they are 6-0 is because the defense is allowing 11 ppg, 18 ppg lower than last year. the team is scoring some but the offense is still working out the kinks, albeit getting way better every week, but they are not the reason we are winning games every week.

Archer81
10-26-2009, 05:42 PM
Its a team game no doubt about it. However, the Defense wasn't scoring game winning TD's. Shanny's offensive players have scored just enough points to get this team to 6-0, the Offensive line that Shanny drafted has Orton on pace to the pro bowl. Are you denying this fact?

Rasta...Shanahan is gone. He didnt win with the offensive talent he brought in. Let it go...you will be happier for it.


:Broncos:

Dagmar
10-26-2009, 05:42 PM
McDanels goes to bed at night thanking his lucky stars that Shanny left him the O Line, the WR's, Champ Bailey, DJ Williams and Doomerville.

Of course he does you absolute racist ****tard.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 05:48 PM
McD had to replace half the garbage Shanny left him, and close to the entire defense. Plus, like I said, Shanny couldn't win with those players. He picked a few good players as GM...great. He either did not pick/sign enough of them or else he didn't coach them well enough. Either way, he could not produce satisfactory results the last three seasons...so, no, he gets no credit for McDs turnaround.

By your ridiculous logic, Parcells and Sparano owe an awful lot of their 10 game turnaround to the "infrastructure" that Randy Mueller and Cam Cameron left behind. Nevermind the fact that they were 1-15!

Cherry pick all you want. The fact remains Stokely's (signed by Shanny) caught Ortons Hail Mary pass to beat Cincy. Schefler and Royal (drafted by Shanny) both came up big with defeating the Chargers. Marshall (drafted by Shanny is responsible for TWO wins all by himself and played crucial roles in helping to dfeat the Patriots. So thats 5-4 games won by Shanny's players. And of course, it all starts with Shanny's offensive line.

Archer81
10-26-2009, 05:50 PM
Cherry pick all you want. The fact remains Stokely's (signed by Shanny) caught Ortons Hail Mary pass to beat Cincy. Schefler and Royal (drafted by Shanny) both came up big with defeating the Chargers. Marshall (drafted by Shanny is responsible for TWO wins all by himself and played crucial roles in helping to dfeat the Patriots. So thats 5-4 games won by Shanny's players. And of course, it all starts with Shanny's offensive line.

and oddly enough all this talent assembled by shanahan managed a 24-24 record, and beat SD just once. Funny what a new system and a coach who gives a **** can do, huh?


:Broncos:

rastaman
10-26-2009, 05:50 PM
Rasta...Shanahan is gone. He didnt win with the offensive talent he brought in. Let it go...you will be happier for it.


:Broncos:

Shanny's gone, but his drafted players are still winning games for Bowlen and McDaniels. And Shanny's players are bringing Broncos fans alot of joy and hope. Correct!

rastaman
10-26-2009, 05:52 PM
Of course he does you absolute racist ****tard.

Originally Posted by rastaman
McDanels goes to bed at night thanking his lucky stars that Shanny left him the O Line, the WR's, Champ Bailey, DJ Williams and Doomerville.

How does this make me a racist!!! Go Figure.

Archer81
10-26-2009, 05:52 PM
Shanny's gone, but his drafted players are still winning games for Bowlen and McDaniels. And Shanny's players are bringing Broncos fans alot of joy and hope. Correct!


Wow. Just wow. You know the Allies had an easier time deprogramming nazis than we are trying to tell you a majority of the team that plays every sunday was brought in by McDaniels...in one offseason, 30+ new players...that is a TON of dryrot to remove and patch in 1 offseason.

:Broncos:

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 05:55 PM
Cherry pick all you want. The fact remains Stokely's (signed by Shanny) caught Ortons Hail Mary pass to beat Cincy. Schefler and Royal (drafted by Shanny) both came up big with defeating the Chargers. Marshall (drafted by Shanny is responsible for TWO wins all by himself and played crucial roles in helping to dfeat the Patriots. So thats 5-4 games won by Shanny's players. And of course, it all starts with Shanny's offensive line.

Um, no, Marshall is NOT responsible for two wins "all by himself." Orton (not picked or signed by Shanny) gets credit for throwing him the passes, and the defense (featuring 9 new starters) gets a ton of the credit as well for shutting down the opposition and putting Marshall and his offensive cohorts in position to produce the winning score.

Look, man. Nobody in the NFL gets credit for merely assembling talent. You get credit for winning. Shanahan as GM selected/signed a few good players, but he did not sign/select enough of them. Either that or he did not coach them well enough. Either way, he failed to WIN enough with the players he had. So he does not get credit for the turn around, no matter how much you want to deflect credit away from McD in a pitiful attempt to save face after you trashed him all offseason and made a fool of yourself.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 05:57 PM
and oddly enough all this talent assembled by shanahan managed a 24-24 record, and beat SD just once. Funny what a new system and a coach who gives a **** can do, huh?


:Broncos:

Oddly enough the new role players brought in by McDaniels and the Offensive line and WR's left by Shanahan has made McDaniels life a lot easier and successful.

You take away the Shanny's O Line and Shanny's WR's, what would McDaneils win-loss record be right now??? Take a guess

Also factor in how successful Nolan's 3-4 Defense would be w/o Champ Bailey, DJ Williams, and Doomerville! The Best pass rusher on the 09 Broncos was drafted by Shanahan.

Dagmar
10-26-2009, 05:59 PM
Originally Posted by rastaman
McDanels goes to bed at night thanking his lucky stars that Shanny left him the O Line, the WR's, Champ Bailey, DJ Williams and Doomerville.

How does this make me a racist!!! Go Figure.

From your past posts, you are a
vile.
racist.
****tard.

Die.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 06:02 PM
those players, the 2 WR and 5 OL, were on the same 8-8 squad as last year. this team led by mcdaniels is 6-0 so far. the main reason they are 6-0 is because the defense is allowing 11 ppg, 18 ppg lower than last year. the team is scoring some but the offense is still working out the kinks, albeit getting way better every week, but they are not the reason we are winning games every week.

Stokely, Royal, Marshall, and Shefler, and the 5 O linemen were players that McDaniels didn't need to worry about replacing!!!! Sure the offense is struggling a bit......but imagine this season thus far w/o Stockely, Royal, Marshall and Schefler's impact, contributions and game winning scoring!! We could very well be 2-4 at this stage.8')

rastaman
10-26-2009, 06:03 PM
From your past posts, you are a
vile.
racist.
****tard.

Die.

Prove it you skirt wearing sissy!!!! Where's your evidence?8')

Dagmar
10-26-2009, 06:04 PM
Oddly enough the new role players brought in by McDaniels and the Offensive line and WR's left by Shanahan has made McDaniels life a lot easier and successful.

You take away the Shanny's O Line and Shanny's WR's, what would McDaneils win-loss record be right now??? Take a guess

Also factor in how successful Nolan's 3-4 Defense would be w/o Champ Bailey, DJ Williams, and Doomerville! The Best pass rusher on the 09 Broncos was drafted by Shanahan.

Marlon McCree
Hamza Abdullah
Marcus Thomas
Jarvis Moss
Boss Bailey
Marquand Manuel
Karl Paymah
Jamie Winborn
Alvin McKinley
Ebenezar Ekuban
Niko Koutouvides

Dagmar
10-26-2009, 06:05 PM
Prove it you skirt wearing sissy!!!! Where's your evidence?8')

Rather be a Scot than a vile c u n t

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 06:07 PM
Stokely, Royal, Marshall, and Shefler, and the 5 O linemen were players that McDaniels didn't need to worry about replacing!!!! Sure the offense is struggling a bit......but imagine this season thus far w/o Stockely, Royal, Marshall and Schefler's impact, contributions and game winning scoring!! We could very well be 2-4 at this stage.8')

And McDaniels gets the credit for coaching that out of them, something Shanny failed to do.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 06:15 PM
And McDaniels gets the credit for coaching that out of them, something Shanny failed to do.

Shanny gets credit for leaving those players for McDaniels to coach!!! No matter how you try and split hairs, thus far at 6-0 it has been Shanny's players that have come thru and scored, contributed, and impacted a 6-0 season. McDaniels hasn't brought skilled players that can win him games yet! But I have all the faith that over the next 4-6 years McDaniels will have drafted and signed his own players to continue winning. However, right now, he's winning with Shanahan's skilled players in 2009.:strong:

rastaman
10-26-2009, 06:18 PM
Marlon McCree
Hamza Abdullah
Marcus Thomas
Jarvis Moss
Boss Bailey
Marquand Manuel
Karl Paymah
Jamie Winborn
Alvin McKinley
Ebenezar Ekuban
Niko Koutouvides

Huh....Whats that! Who's the Shanny drafted player leading the 2009 Broncos in SACKS!.....Oh yeah! Thats right its Doomervile.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 06:19 PM
Rather be a Scot than a vile c u n t

Where is your evidence that I'm a racist????? Still waiting!;)

Ironlung
10-26-2009, 06:21 PM
Wow. Things are getting waaaay beyond ridiculous in here.

Dagmar
10-26-2009, 06:23 PM
Huh....Whats that! Who's the Shanny drafted player leading the 2009 Broncos in SACKS!.....Oh yeah! Thats right its Doomervile.

So we ignore all ****e players he drafted because a couple have played well? Throwing a ****ing dart at a draft board would have a similar success rate. If he thought Doom Boom would be so good why did he wait till 126?

As for your racist posts? Not wasting my time looking. :welcome:

rastaman
10-26-2009, 06:53 PM
So we ignore all ****e players he drafted because a couple have played well? Throwing a ****ing dart at a draft board would have a similar success rate. If he thought Doom Boom would be so good why did he wait till 126?

As for your racist posts? Not wasting my time looking. :welcome:

Thats okay Shaq....I don't expect you back up your lies, that would be out of character for you.LOL

I'm just concentrating on all the productive game winning impactful players that Shanny drafted who are on the 09 roster.:yayaya:

Rohirrim
10-26-2009, 07:02 PM
Point to one post where you said that before Shanahan was fired and I'll send you $100.

You guys crack me up :nono:

Want my mailing address? :spit:
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1031021&postcount=49

Dagmar
10-26-2009, 07:07 PM
Want my mailing address? :spit:
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1031021&postcount=49

http://www.forumspile.com/Misc-OhSnap_Bear.jpg

Rock Chalk
10-26-2009, 07:13 PM
This thread is hilarious. Honestly, we could go back and forth for days Cutler's reputation is not going to established by his 1st year starting, or even this year. It will ultimately be determined 5-10 years from now based on where he is at, win's, super bowls and all the rest.

Go Broncos.

Ha, you are making a huge assumption that Cutler is in the league in 5 years.

Fat ****ing chance.

broncocalijohn
10-26-2009, 08:47 PM
I'm beginning to think Bowlen knew the only way to get Cutler out of town was to get rid of Shanahan.

2 for one deal. Got to appreciate that. While I dont think it was Jay that got Shanny fired, he could have done wonders if he came through with one of those last games.

Missouribronc
10-26-2009, 08:50 PM
Cutler = Doosh.

Anyone who loves Cutler...well...just saying...

_Oro_
10-26-2009, 08:52 PM
Shanny gets credit for leaving those players for McDaniels to coach!!! No matter how you try and split hairs, thus far at 6-0 it has been Shanny's players that have come thru and scored, contributed, and impacted a 6-0 season. McDaniels hasn't brought skilled players that can win him games yet! But I have all the faith that over the next 4-6 years McDaniels will have drafted and signed his own players to continue winning. However, right now, he's winning with Shanahan's skilled players in 2009.:strong:

:thumbs:

bombay
10-26-2009, 08:52 PM
Ha, you are making a huge assumption that Cutler is in the league in 5 years.

Fat ****ing chance.

Yeah, the guy is four years in. I think you can make a fair assessment at this point of just what he is.

He will be in the league in five years, though, for sure. Someone will always think they're the coach/team that can get the best out of a guy like Cutler.

broncocalijohn
10-26-2009, 08:52 PM
And McDaniels gets the credit for coaching that out of them, something Shanny failed to do.

so what is it rastaman, the offense or defense making us 6-0? You claim it is the defense but only 3 starters from last year are starting this year. We cleaned house. If you try to backtrack and say offense (with many of the parts still in place), then why werent we 6-0 last year? We took out a huge part of our offense in the QB and replaced him with a less talented Orton. Orton though is smarter and better mechanics and those has become the better QB. You can not have it both ways. It is McDaniels and his coaching staff that has made this team 6-0 and a 99% chance at the playoffs. Something Shanahan was not taking us. Once you realize that you are blinded by Shanny and Cutler and not being rational, you will see the light. Thank God Cutler has two sacks on his gonads or you and bpc would be fighting over it like you guys were bobbing for apples.

BroncoBuff
10-26-2009, 09:11 PM
Wow ... how did this thread go so wrong just since I was here this morning?

BroncoBuff
10-26-2009, 09:12 PM
Want my mailing address? :spit:
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1031021&postcount=49

Nice try, but you posted that before he was even drafted! :~ohyah!:

tsiguy96
10-26-2009, 09:14 PM
Nice try, but you posted that before he was even drafted! :~ohyah!:

that wasnt part of the original stipulation :afro:

~Crash~
10-26-2009, 09:48 PM
you know if these treads keep coming up I am going to pull up the treads I got blasted for saying Cutler needed to grow up and show he could bring a team back and I know for sure some of you haters were giving me total crap about how great Cutler was . If someone want to shut up alot of these guys go back to about this time last year and dig up some of these ass hats response to me it would shut up most of them ...

broncocalijohn
10-26-2009, 09:54 PM
You wont find one on me. I had him as immature before as he has shown in the last 6 months. I did have him on talent and thought getting rid of him for a possible unknown QB (or one that comes from the draft).

Ironlung
10-26-2009, 09:59 PM
so what is it rastaman, the offense or defense making us 6-0? You claim it is the defense but only 3 starters from last year are starting this year. We cleaned house. If you try to backtrack and say offense (with many of the parts still in place), then why werent we 6-0 last year? We took out a huge part of our offense in the QB and replaced him with a less talented Orton. Orton though is smarter and better mechanics and those has become the better QB. You can not have it both ways. It is McDaniels and his coaching staff that has made this team 6-0 and a 99% chance at the playoffs. Something Shanahan was not taking us. Once you realize that you are blinded by Shanny and Cutler and not being rational, you will see the light. Thank God Cutler has two sacks on his gonads or you and bpc would be fighting over it like you guys were bobbing for apples.

:spit:

rastaman
10-27-2009, 04:15 AM
so what is it rastaman, the offense or defense making us 6-0? You claim it is the defense but only 3 starters from last year are starting this year. We cleaned house. If you try to backtrack and say offense (with many of the parts still in place), then why werent we 6-0 last year? We took out a huge part of our offense in the QB and replaced him with a less talented Orton. Orton though is smarter and better mechanics and those has become the better QB. You can not have it both ways. It is McDaniels and his coaching staff that has made this team 6-0 and a 99% chance at the playoffs. Something Shanahan was not taking us. Once you realize that you are blinded by Shanny and Cutler and not being rational, you will see the light. Thank God Cutler has two sacks on his gonads or you and bpc would be fighting over it like you guys were bobbing for apples.

LilJohn, the point I am making, Shanny Left McDaniels the Offensive Line and the skilled WR's to make it possible enough for his schemes to work. Bringing in a scheme is one thing. However, already having the skilled, contributing impactful players in place is huge! Lets just say Shanny left elements of a winning infrastructure with his offensive line so McDanels didn't need bother replacing, and Shanny left McDaineils skilled WR's that Josh didn't need to replace. These were all gifts from Shanahan.

What you need to come to terms with is that w/o Stokely we lose the Cincy game. W/o Royal we lose the SD game. W/o Marshall, Denver loses to NE and Dallas. So thats 4 games......I repeat 4 games that would have been loses and McDaniels would be looking at a 2-4 record. And lets not forget the Offensive line left to McDaniels by Shanny has Orton on track to his first Pro Bowl. Simply put........Shanny deserves 50% of the Credit and McDaniels gets 50% for how the offense has performed thus far.

Defensively, the credit does go to Mike Nolan for the performance of the Defense with his 3-4 scheme. However, you can't overlook the fact that Shanny left Nolan one hell of a pass rusher by the name of Doomerville, a HOF CB by the name of Champ Bailey, and DJ Williams who is anchoring the Line Backing corps.

rastaman
10-27-2009, 04:20 AM
:spit:

I'd say the the infrastructure left to McD by Shanny, thus far I would give McD 50% of the credit and Shanny 50% thus far.:strong:

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-27-2009, 05:17 AM
LilJohn, the point I am making, Shanny Left McDaniels the Offensive Line and the skilled WR's to make it possible enough for his schemes to work. Bringing in a scheme is one thing. However, already having the skilled, contributing impactful players in place is huge! Lets just say Shanny left elements of a winning infrastructure with his offensive line so McDanels didn't need bother replacing, and Shanny left McDaineils skilled WR's that Josh didn't need to replace. These were all gifts from Shanahan.

What you need to come to terms with is that w/o Stokely we lose the Cincy game. W/o Royal we lose the SD game. W/o Marshall, Denver loses to NE and Dallas. So thats 4 games......I repeat 4 games that would have been loses and McDaniels would be looking at a 2-4 record. And lets not forget the Offensive line left to McDaniels by Shanny has Orton on track to his first Pro Bowl. Simply put........Shanny deserves 50% of the Credit and McDaniels gets 50% for how the offense has performed thus far.

Defensively, the credit does go to Mike Nolan for the performance of the Defense with his 3-4 scheme. However, you can't overlook the fact that Shanny left Nolan one hell of a pass rusher by the name of Doomerville, a HOF CB by the name of Champ Bailey, and DJ Williams who is anchoring the Line Backing corps.
Wow, what a pathetic, flowery love serenade you have written! :spit:
Admit it, you got a thang for Shanahan! :twokisses



( ... it's RARE that I don't try to rationalize a post and talk football, but that post is so pathetic, it's my annual exception.)

Rohirrim
10-27-2009, 05:37 AM
Nice try, but you posted that before he was even drafted! :~ohyah!:

You should see the thread I put up saying Vince Young was going to be a bust. I got trashed for days. Ha!

TailgateNut
10-27-2009, 06:53 AM
LilJohn, the point I am making, Shanny Left McDaniels the Offensive Line and the skilled WR's to make it possible enough for his schemes to work. Bringing in a scheme is one thing. However, already having the skilled, contributing impactful players in place is huge! Lets just say Shanny left elements of a winning infrastructure with his offensive line so McDanels didn't need bother replacing, and Shanny left McDaineils skilled WR's that Josh didn't need to replace. These were all gifts from Shanahan.

What you need to come to terms with is that w/o Stokely we lose the Cincy game. W/o Royal we lose the SD game. W/o Marshall, Denver loses to NE and Dallas. So thats 4 games......I repeat 4 games that would have been loses and McDaniels would be looking at a 2-4 record. And lets not forget the Offensive line left to McDaniels by Shanny has Orton on track to his first Pro Bowl. Simply put........Shanny deserves 50% of the Credit and McDaniels gets 50% for how the offense has performed thus far.

Defensively, the credit does go to Mike Nolan for the performance of the Defense with his 3-4 scheme. However, you can't overlook the fact that Shanny left Nolan one hell of a pass rusher by the name of Doomerville, a HOF CB by the name of Champ Bailey, and DJ Williams who is anchoring the Line Backing corps.


So, what your saying is, Josh should be thanking Shanny who should have thanked Wade, who should have thanked Dan, who should have thanked Red, who should have thanked John, who should have thanked Jerry, who should have thanked Lou, who should have thanked Ray, who should have thanked Mac, who should have thanked Jack, who should have thanked Frank.


Right???

I get it!

Damn. If Frank hadn't died, we could save a lot of time by having Josh just send a thank you note to Frank.:rofl:


Would it f-ing hurt to give Josh, who is an awesome coach, a bit of f-ing credit without disclaimers?

TailgateNut
10-27-2009, 06:54 AM
I'd say the the infrastructure left to McD by Shanny, thus far I would give McD 50% of the credit and Shanny 50% thus far.:strong:

You ARE a flaming idiot! No doubt.


Although you have a point. My great, great, great granfather did affect my DNA.:rofl:

BroncoInferno
10-27-2009, 06:59 AM
I'd say the the infrastructure left to McD by Shanny, thus far I would give McD 50% of the credit and Shanny 50% thus far.:strong:

OK, then. By your logic, Wade Phillips and Dan Reeves get 50% of the credit for our two SB wins. After all, they left Shanny the "infrastructure" of a championship team: Elway, Sharpe, Zimmerman, Nalen, Habib, Atwater, Braxton, Jason Elam, etc.

baja
10-27-2009, 07:06 AM
OK, then. By your logic, Wade Phillips and Dan Reeves get 50% of the credit for our two SB wins. After all, they left Shanny the "infrastructure" of a championship team: Elway, Sharpe, Zimmerman, Nalen, Habib, Atwater, Braxton, Jason Elam, etc.

No by rastaman's formula you would have to give only 10% of the credit for the SBs to Shanahan

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-27-2009, 07:09 AM
Although you have a point. My great, great, great granfather did affect my DNA.:rofl:
So TGN, if Denver lose this year - IT'S YOUR GRANDFATHERS FAULT!!!!!!! Damn him!ROFL!

TailgateNut
10-27-2009, 07:10 AM
No by rastaman's formula you would have to give only 10% of the credit for the SBs to Shanahan


Rastaman uses a formula?Hilarious!

TailgateNut
10-27-2009, 07:11 AM
So TGN, if Denver lose this year - IT'S YOUR GRANDFATHERS FAULT!!!!!!! Damn him!ROFL!

It could be. He didn't cheer loud enough in the sixties. Damnit!

errand
10-27-2009, 07:17 AM
Exactly! No one expected Brady and the 2001 NE Patriots to win the SB. There's no reason Orton and the 2009 Broncos with Mike Nolans' 3-4 Defense can't win the SB this year.

you sure about that rastaman? You realize you've spent the better part of 2 months on here telling us how bad Orton was right?

errand
10-27-2009, 07:25 AM
Cherry pick all you want. The fact remains Stokely's (signed by Shanny) caught Ortons Hail Mary pass to beat Cincy. Schefler and Royal (drafted by Shanny) both came up big with defeating the Chargers. Marshall (drafted by Shanny is responsible for TWO wins all by himself and played crucial roles in helping to dfeat the Patriots. So thats 5-4 games won by Shanny's players. And of course, it all starts with Shanny's offensive line.

Really, so what about the QB McDaniels brought in that threw the passes to all these WR's mike couldn't win with?

errand
10-27-2009, 07:35 AM
Nice try, but you posted that before he was even drafted! :~ohyah!:

Well, would before Jay was drafted be before shanahan was fired? dude, don't welch on the bet...pay the man.

errand
10-27-2009, 07:40 AM
OK, then. By your logic, Wade Phillips and Dan Reeves get 50% of the credit for our two SB wins. After all, they left Shanny the "infrastructure" of a championship team: Elway, Sharpe, Zimmerman, Nalen, Habib, Atwater, Braxton, Jason Elam, etc.

not to mentionmour offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak who was drafted by Reeves as well....began his coaching career while he was John's understudy the last few season's here.

TailgateNut
10-27-2009, 07:41 AM
not to mentionmour offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak who was drafted by Reeves as well....began his coaching career while he was John's understudy the last few season's here.


....and old man Gibbs deserves a dozen roses....

Rock Chalk
10-27-2009, 08:18 AM
Yeah, the guy is four years in. I think you can make a fair assessment at this point of just what he is.

He will be in the league in five years, though, for sure. Someone will always think they're the coach/team that can get the best out of a guy like Cutler.

You might be right, but will he be a starter in 5 years?

If he continues to play like he has, at some point he will ride the pine and find himself permanently there. NFL QBs HAVE to take care of the football, period. It is certainly not Cutler's fault that Cincy carved up their defense, but he did the team no favors by not taking control of the offense and at least attempting to make a game of it.

colonelbeef
10-27-2009, 08:23 AM
You ARE a flaming idiot! No doubt.


Although you have a point. My great, great, great granfather did affect my DNA.:rofl:

If your grandfather left you a well built house and you put a new coat of paint on it, and then hired a great contractor to put a gunite pool in, you don't get all of the credit for the structure of the house.

He was left the best, youngest OL in the game, star receivers and TEs, and Hillis on offense alone, the #12 pick, and plenty of cap room to sign players on D. The best player on the D has been Dumervil. There were plenty of pieces in place.

The best thing McDaniels did was to bring in Nolan, and that has been the difference this year. Last years' team was better overall on offense, this years' team is allowing 1.7 ppg in the 2nd half of games. The Broncos are winning because of the defense.

colonelbeef
10-27-2009, 08:25 AM
You might be right, but will he be a starter in 5 years?

If he continues to play like he has, at some point he will ride the pine and find himself permanently there. NFL QBs HAVE to take care of the football, period. It is certainly not Cutler's fault that Cincy carved up their defense, but he did the team no favors by not taking control of the offense and at least attempting to make a game of it.

Cutler will never be riding any pine. Chicago has a terrible offensive line to go with horrific coaching and bad personnel and coaching losses on defense. Smith is done and will be fired at the end of the year.

Dukes
10-27-2009, 08:49 AM
LilJohn, the point I am making, Shanny Left McDaniels the Offensive Line and the skilled WR's to make it possible enough for his schemes to work. Bringing in a scheme is one thing. However, already having the skilled, contributing impactful players in place is huge! Lets just say Shanny left elements of a winning infrastructure with his offensive line so McDanels didn't need bother replacing, and Shanny left McDaineils skilled WR's that Josh didn't need to replace. These were all gifts from Shanahan.

What you need to come to terms with is that w/o Stokely we lose the Cincy game. W/o Royal we lose the SD game. W/o Marshall, Denver loses to NE and Dallas. So thats 4 games......I repeat 4 games that would have been loses and McDaniels would be looking at a 2-4 record. And lets not forget the Offensive line left to McDaniels by Shanny has Orton on track to his first Pro Bowl. Simply put........Shanny deserves 50% of the Credit and McDaniels gets 50% for how the offense has performed thus far.

Defensively, the credit does go to Mike Nolan for the performance of the Defense with his 3-4 scheme. However, you can't overlook the fact that Shanny left Nolan one hell of a pass rusher by the name of Doomerville, a HOF CB by the name of Champ Bailey, and DJ Williams who is anchoring the Line Backing corps.

Just when I thought you possibly couldn't get any dumber, you post this. :saywhat:

TailgateNut
10-27-2009, 08:50 AM
If your grandfather left you a well built house and you put a new coat of paint on it, and then hired a great contractor to put a gunite pool in, you don't get all of the credit for the structure of the house.

He was left the best, youngest OL in the game, star receivers and TEs, and Hillis on offense alone, the #12 pick, and plenty of cap room to sign players on D. The best player on the D has been Dumervil. There were plenty of pieces in place.

The best thing McDaniels did was to bring in Nolan, and that has been the difference this year. Last years' team was better overall on offense, this years' team is allowing 1.7 ppg in the 2nd half of games. The Broncos are winning because of the defense.

...and I thought you "left" with wednesdays' trash collection.

Just can't give the man the credit he deserves. Have you taken a look at the roster turnover margin 08 to 09? Have you?

This idea that you and rasta seem to push is assinine. When we make it to the play-offs this year, the last thing on my mind will be to thank Shanny for the beautiful "ride".

TailgateNut
10-27-2009, 08:53 AM
Cutler will never be riding any pine. Chicago has a terrible offensive line to go with horrific coaching, AN INTERCEPTION MACHINE, and bad personnel and coaching losses on defense. Smith is done and will be fired at the end of the year.

You left out an important aspect of their negative traits.

Rohirrim
10-27-2009, 08:55 AM
...and I thought you "left" with wednesdays' trash collection.

Just can't give the man the credit he deserves. Have you taken a look at the roster turnover margin 08 to 09? Have you?

This idea that you and rasta seem to push is assinine. When we make it to the play-offs this year, the last thing on my mind will be to thank Shanny for the beautiful "ride".

It's enough to make Webster throw his helmet. ;D

azbroncfan
10-27-2009, 10:46 AM
LilJohn, the point I am making, Shanny Left McDaniels the Offensive Line and the skilled WR's to make it possible enough for his schemes to work. Bringing in a scheme is one thing. However, already having the skilled, contributing impactful players in place is huge! Lets just say Shanny left elements of a winning infrastructure with his offensive line so McDanels didn't need bother replacing, and Shanny left McDaineils skilled WR's that Josh didn't need to replace. These were all gifts from Shanahan.

What you need to come to terms with is that w/o Stokely we lose the Cincy game. W/o Royal we lose the SD game. W/o Marshall, Denver loses to NE and Dallas. So thats 4 games......I repeat 4 games that would have been loses and McDaniels would be looking at a 2-4 record. And lets not forget the Offensive line left to McDaniels by Shanny has Orton on track to his first Pro Bowl. Simply put........Shanny deserves 50% of the Credit and McDaniels gets 50% for how the offense has performed thus far.

Defensively, the credit does go to Mike Nolan for the performance of the Defense with his 3-4 scheme. However, you can't overlook the fact that Shanny left Nolan one hell of a pass rusher by the name of Doomerville, a HOF CB by the name of Champ Bailey, and DJ Williams who is anchoring the Line Backing corps.

How much credit to you give Wade Phillips for Denver's SB titles then?

broncocalijohn
10-27-2009, 11:58 AM
How much credit to you give Wade Phillips for Denver's SB titles then?

you are probably the 4th person to put this remark in and yet he is waay too stupid to counter it. He and Colonelbeef (cant believe he shows up anymore) is just a pro Shanny guy and cant give any credit where it is due. Of course Shanny is going to leave some skill players as McDaniels isnt coaching the brand new, 1976 Tampa Bay Bucs. Our former coach couldnt get enough wins to tip toe in the playoffs. We have 3 left overs from 11 starters on defense. Amazing these yahoos praise Shanahan when they should be pissed off at him for wasting valuable years not concentrating on the defense! We are taking a QB with less "it" and making him a Pro Bowl QB. This is all on McDaniels credit and the team that listens to him. Tned told Rastaman about the Mane. Thanks a lot A-hole! Ha!

rastaman
10-29-2009, 05:54 AM
you sure about that rastaman? You realize you've spent the better part of 2 months on here telling us how bad Orton was right?

Yep! The majority of the entire NFL felt that way especially when you consider Orton's first preseason game or the entire pre season perfomances. Kyle has a big band wagon to pull around all season.

Orton even has to pull around all those "fence straddling" Bronco fans who remained silent thru it all just so they could come back and say..."Hey I never had doubts about Orton"!:approve: And suddenly even these fair weather Orton fans are the "I told you so Bunch"....Go Figure.

One think you must admit Errand all the doubters and the fans that went with their thoughts and opinions and who did not participate in Group Think Fan Talk, actually brought out a lot of debate and the threads in the OM increased two folds.

See what Freedom of Speech and individual opinions allow to take place!!:~ohyah!:

rastaman
10-29-2009, 06:00 AM
OK, then. By your logic, Wade Phillips and Dan Reeves get 50% of the credit for our two SB wins. After all, they left Shanny the "infrastructure" of a championship team: Elway, Sharpe, Zimmerman, Nalen, Habib, Atwater, Braxton, Jason Elam, etc.

Sure why not....lets give credit where credit is due. Why behave selfishly and immaturely. Okay....lets hear the Whinning from the Neanderthals....let her rip! :strong:

Shanny and Elway won those two SB's from a combination of many factors and they know it as well. Hell, even Gruden took Tampa Bay to a SB and won b/c of the players left over to him from the DUNGY ERA!

rastaman
10-29-2009, 06:06 AM
Wow, what a pathetic, flowery love serenade you have written! :spit:
Admit it, you got a thang for Shanahan! :twokisses



( ... it's RARE that I don't try to rationalize a post and talk football, but that post is so pathetic, it's my annual exception.)

Admit it.....you gotta THANG for McDaniels. The post is pathetic to your narrow minded thinking, it shows you gotta a lot of growing up to do. But hey, if you live long enough ...... you will learn.

rastaman
10-29-2009, 06:17 AM
you are probably the 4th person to put this remark in and yet he is waay too stupid to counter it. He and Colonelbeef (cant believe he shows up anymore) is just a pro Shanny guy and cant give any credit where it is due. Of course Shanny is going to leave some skill players as McDaniels isnt coaching the brand new, 1976 Tampa Bay Bucs. Our former coach couldnt get enough wins to tip toe in the playoffs. We have 3 left overs from 11 starters on defense. Amazing these yahoos praise Shanahan when they should be pissed off at him for wasting valuable years not concentrating on the defense! We are taking a QB with less "it" and making him a Pro Bowl QB. This is all on McDaniels credit and the team that listens to him. Tned told Rastaman about the Mane. Thanks a lot A-hole! Ha!

Hey Jack AZZ, what did Shanny leave McDaniels offensive wise.....5 Offensive Linemen, WR's: Royal, Stockely, Marshall and TE in Schefler thats a match up nightmare (if utilized correctly)! Thats NINE players on offense left to McD by Shanny. Had McD had to replace all 9 of these players....he would not be 6-0 right now. Its because of the Shanahan DRAFTED Offensive Line is why Orton maybe headed to his first Pro Bowl. AGAIN, it was Shanny's drafted and signed WR's that are responsible for at least 4 of the 6 wins.

Sure McD has got the players to buy into his scheme(s).....but it takes more than buy in and schemes to win in the NFL........You need skilled athletes to perform those SCHEMES and Shanny left McDaniels those skilled offensive players and a great Offensive Line as well.

Thats the reality.......deal with it.

rastaman
10-29-2009, 06:24 AM
So, what your saying is, Josh should be thanking Shanny who should have thanked Wade, who should have thanked Dan, who should have thanked Red, who should have thanked John, who should have thanked Jerry, who should have thanked Lou, who should have thanked Ray, who should have thanked Mac, who should have thanked Jack, who should have thanked Frank.


Right???

I get it!

Damn. If Frank hadn't died, we could save a lot of time by having Josh just send a thank you note to Frank.:rofl:


Would it f-ing hurt to give Josh, who is an awesome coach, a bit of f-ing credit without disclaimers?

Yep! Give McD credit as well. Point is......he doesn't get all the credit for the success of a 6-0 team thus far or the entire 09 season. In fact, this Bronco team becomes McD's team after 3 years and 3 or 4 draft classes. Then the team becomes McDaniels. Like I said almost two months ago, McDaniels should be given 6 years to return this franchise back to its winning traditions.

rastaman
10-29-2009, 06:27 AM
No by rastaman's formula you would have to give only 10% of the credit for the SBs to Shanahan

How so Baja....explain your theory!

broncocalijohn
10-29-2009, 10:53 AM
You know Rastaman, next time I run into Shanahan (and probably Slowick right next to him), I will extend my hand and tell him, "Thank you for our success so far in 2009. Without you, we wouldnt be undefeated/winning our division/making the playoffs." No one ever has said that he didnt have a good offense. We know that. He has some from being our coach for so many years. That wasnt the problem. He got canned because of mainly of defense. That is on him. Canning a ton of coaches and having scrubs in at D with a horrible system. He needs to be held accountable for that. Most here would also tell Mike "Thank you for your years in Denver." Problem is he lost it and didnt stress the need in defense. We now have someone less "skilled" at the most important position and have changed almost the entire defense and are 6-0. You need to really ask yourself, "would we be this good if Shanahan (and Slowick) were still our coach?" (say this outloud is why it is in quotes). The answer better be "HELL NO!" You get ripped on so hard because you are such a homer for Mike that you cant let go and you are an overall mental case. Seriously, 5 people probably agree with you and those 5 are as mental as you. BTW: Thanks for bumping it. I forgot it was still alive.

lex
10-29-2009, 11:11 AM
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azbroncfan
10-29-2009, 11:14 AM
Hey Jack AZZ, what did Shanny leave McDaniels offensive wise.....5 Offensive Linemen, WR's: Royal, Stockely, Marshall and TE in Schefler thats a match up nightmare (if utilized correctly)! Thats NINE players on offense left to McD by Shanny. Had McD had to replace all 9 of these players....he would not be 6-0 right now. Its because of the Shanahan DRAFTED Offensive Line is why Orton maybe headed to his first Pro Bowl. AGAIN, it was Shanny's drafted and signed WR's that are responsible for at least 4 of the 6 wins.

Sure McD has got the players to buy into his scheme(s).....but it takes more than buy in and schemes to win in the NFL........You need skilled athletes to perform those SCHEMES and Shanny left McDaniels those skilled offensive players and a great Offensive Line as well.

Thats the reality.......deal with it.

Dude you keep saying that Shanny is responisble for 4 wins. Okay fine but you keep ignoring this question. How much credit do you give Wade Phillips for Shanny's superbowl runs? BTW Denver would have 2 wins against Oakland and Cleveland with the defense Shanny would of trotted out there.

rastaman
10-30-2009, 03:59 AM
Dude you keep saying that Shanny is responisble for 4 wins. Okay fine but you keep ignoring this question. How much credit do you give Wade Phillips for Shanny's superbowl runs? BTW Denver would have 2 wins against Oakland and Cleveland with the defense Shanny would of trotted out there.

Sure why not....lets give credit where credit is due. Why behave selfishly and immaturely. Yes there were players left to Shanny from Wade Phillips era that helped Shanny win SB's......I never said there wasn't!

Shanny and Elway won those two SB's from a combination of many factors and they know it as well. Hell, even Gruden took Tampa Bay to a SB and won b/c of the players left over to him from the DUNGY ERA!

Remember, I said it was Shanny's drafted players both on the line and at the WR's poisition why offensively McDaniels didn't need to address those positions right now! But in the future drafts over the next 6 years.....its something he must be to pull off to keep the RAVENOUS Win now fan base happy.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-30-2009, 05:40 AM
Admit it.....you gotta THANG for McDaniels. The post is pathetic to your narrow minded thinking, it shows you gotta a lot of growing up to do. But hey, if you live long enough ...... you will learn.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH! "No I'm not, you are!!!" Waaaaaaah!Hilarious!

Call me what you will, my team is 6-0 right now, I could care less!!
(It's sad that you're still carrying on like this. Instead of bathing in the glory of our 6-0 record, you're trying to justify your opinion amongst the MESS of who/what/where/when that occurred -11 months ago- during the offseason!!)

rastaman
10-30-2009, 06:47 AM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH! "No I'm not, you are!!!" Waaaaaaah!Hilarious!

Call me what you will, my team is 6-0 right now, I could care less!!
(It's sad that you're still carrying on like this. Instead of bathing in the glory of our 6-0 record, you're trying to justify your opinion amongst the MESS of who/what/where/when that occurred -11 months ago- during the offseason!!)

Hey Chuckle Nutzs, I'm glad we are 6-0 as well. However, I'm not arrogant nor ignorant enough to not believe it was due to several factors. So you keep hallucinating that all the credit goes to only what McDanie's brought to the table. I won't interrupt your self induced denial.

RMT
10-30-2009, 06:56 AM
Sure why not....lets give credit where credit is due. Why behave selfishly and immaturely. Yes there were players left to Shanny from Wade Phillips era that helped Shanny win SB's......I never said there wasn't!

Shanny and Elway won those two SB's from a combination of many factors and they know it as well. Hell, even Gruden took Tampa Bay to a SB and won b/c of the players left over to him from the DUNGY ERA!

Remember, I said it was Shanny's drafted players both on the line and at the WR's poisition why offensively McDaniels didn't need to address those positions right now! But in the future drafts over the next 6 years.....its something he must be to pull off to keep the RAVENOUS Win now fan base happy.

yeah, he also drafted players like maurice clarett, marcus nash, paul toviessi. you can't mention his draft "prowess" and fail to mention the colossal failures he made in the draft or even worse, free agency.

after the 2 SB wins, shanahan has had 10 years to put together a solid defense and he failed miserably. the success of the 2009 Broncos puts a serious dent in shanahan's head coaching ability. no one questions his offensive mind - but he stunk on putting together a respectable defense and special teams were just as awful. and this year's team is doing it against a more difficult schedule.

rastaman
10-30-2009, 07:00 AM
You know Rastaman, next time I run into Shanahan (and probably Slowick right next to him), I will extend my hand and tell him, "Thank you for our success so far in 2009. Without you, we wouldnt be undefeated/winning our division/making the playoffs." No one ever has said that he didnt have a good offense. We know that. He has some from being our coach for so many years. That wasnt the problem. He got canned because of mainly of defense. That is on him. Canning a ton of coaches and having scrubs in at D with a horrible system. He needs to be held accountable for that. Most here would also tell Mike "Thank you for your years in Denver." Problem is he lost it and didnt stress the need in defense. We now have someone less "skilled" at the most important position and have changed almost the entire defense and are 6-0. You need to really ask yourself, "would we be this good if Shanahan (and Slowick) were still our coach?" (say this outloud is why it is in quotes). The answer better be "HELL NO!" You get ripped on so hard because you are such a homer for Mike that you cant let go and you are an overall mental case. Seriously, 5 people probably agree with you and those 5 are as mental as you. BTW: Thanks for bumping it. I forgot it was still alive.

You know what "Lil-John" the question you should ask yourself how much success would McD have right now w/o the O Line drafted by Shanahan. Ask yourself what McD's record would have been w/o the play of the WR's that Shanny had the vision to draft and sign! Remember, McD has yet to bring in WR's to match the talent and skill that Shanny has left him! McD has only brought in Gaffney who is a limited role player WR at best. Gaffney has yet to prove he can get it done and has not been an impact player. Question I have for ya! If Gaffney has played in the Belichick-McDaniels scheme all these years, why hasn't Gaffney been the impact WR? Could the truth be that Gaff isn't as talented and gifted as say Marshall and Royal....both who were drafted by Shanny? Whats your answer?

chadta
10-30-2009, 07:04 AM
However, you can't overlook the fact that Shanny left Nolan one hell of a pass rusher by the name of Doomerville, a HOF CB by the name of Champ Bailey, and DJ Williams who is anchoring the Line Backing corps.

ROFL! Hilarious!

in the world of 3 on 3 football you are correct, but we had these players last year, remind me once again how a D performed ?

RMT
10-30-2009, 07:07 AM
ROFL! Hilarious!

in the world of 3 on 3 football you are correct, but we had these players last year, remind me once again how a D performed ?

exactly! and shanahan also is largely responsible for the Broncos leading the NFL this year in "dead money" counting against the salary cap. he was the one who made Dre Bly the highest paid Bronco on last year's team - $10,000,000 to suck. and if shanahan were such a great evaluator of talent, one only needs to see what's happened to the FORMER Broncos' defensive players who are either still looking for work or playing as cheap backups. that speaks volumes.

broncocalijohn
10-30-2009, 11:18 AM
Damn rasta, you are one dumb sob. Shanny had years to get players on Denver's team through FA and the draft. McDaniels has had one season! How could he get a collection of better players in those regards in such a small amount of time? He was also limited to who he can get in free agency probably with the big amount of dead money and the Broncos budget. No one is questioning Shanny's offense as him being a failure. It was his defense, pure and simple. Regardless if McDaniels has done well with Mike's guys, it is that he wins with them as he had to revamp the whole defense IN ONE OFFSEASON! Amazing you forget this part. He left what was working in offense (besides Cutler) and kept 3 starters in defense because it was horrible and some didnt fit into the new 3-4 scheme. You make it sound like McDaniels should start the offense with none of the players. He kept who can work and dumped the bums who didnt fit and we are now 6-0 which is a record no way Shanny has in 2009. Just admit it that Josh is now outcoaching Shanahan in Denver. Simple as that. Regardless of who he kept or didnt keep, McDaniels>Shanahan.

rastaman
10-30-2009, 12:52 PM
yeah, he also drafted players like maurice clarett, marcus nash, paul toviessi. you can't mention his draft "prowess" and fail to mention the colossal failures he made in the draft or even worse, free agency.

after the 2 SB wins, shanahan has had 10 years to put together a solid defense and he failed miserably. the success of the 2009 Broncos puts a serious dent in shanahan's head coaching ability. no one questions his offensive mind - but he stunk on putting together a respectable defense and special teams were just as awful. and this year's team is doing it against a more difficult schedule.

Sure Shanny's post SB draft classes did not all pan out....no argument there.

However, starting in 2005-2008, Shanny had some great draft classes. Especially with the 2006, 07, & 08 draft classes.

RMT
10-30-2009, 01:02 PM
Sure Shanny's post SB draft classes did not all pan out....no argument there.

However, starting in 2005-2008, Shanny had some great draft classes. Especially with the 2006, 07, & 08 draft classes.

too little, too late and if the draft classes were so great, the team's record would not have been 24-24 over that 3 year period.

rastaman
10-30-2009, 01:29 PM
Damn rasta, you are one dumb sob. Shanny had years to get players on Denver's team through FA and the draft. McDaniels has had one season!

Dam LilJohn your Bull Dog stubborn mentality is beyond REPROACH! I've already stated in several post that McD hasn't had a chance to draft or sign his own PLAYERS!!! I said it would take McD two-four years to bring in talented skilled athletes offensively to match the skilled offensive players Shanny has left him. In 5-6 years, McD could have very built a dynasty here in Denver. Thats what I'm at least hoping for.

How could he get a collection of better players in those regards in such a small amount of time? He was also limited to who he can get in free agency probably with the big amount of dead money and the Broncos budget. No one is questioning Shanny's offense as him being a failure.

Once again O'Brite One........McD should be extremely grateful that Shanny left him an infrastructure in place Offensive Line and WR wise so he didn't need to bother with worrying about due to the short time period he had. The key elements were already in place!

It was his defense, pure and simple. Regardless if McDaniels has done well with Mike's guys, it is that he wins with them as he had to revamp the whole defense IN ONE OFFSEASON! Amazing you forget this part.

Again, you fail/ignore what I've already said. I've already given credit to Nolan for the great 3-4 Defense he has put together. Credit goes to Josh for hiring him, however, McD's expertise is offense! not Defense. Also, once again, you can't ignore the impact and contributions that Champ, Doom, DJ Williams as veterans have added with this new 3-4 Defense; and lets forget how the young Safety in Barret is really starting to come on in the secondary---this guy is a monster at 6'3-225, ran 4.35 40 time. And lets not forget about Marcus Thomas....he's starting to play huge and is coming on fast. These are all Shanny drafted/signed players. Remember, when a knew coaching staff comes into town they only have a short window/time of opportunity to assemble the necessary talent and players they feel comfortable with and they trust to execute their schemes. Having some of the talented players already in place is great bonus and relief.

He left what was working in offense (besides Cutler) and kept 3 starters in defense because it was horrible and some didnt fit into the new 3-4 scheme. You make it sound like McDaniels should start the offense with none of the players. He kept who can work and dumped the bums who didnt fit and we are now 6-0 which is a record no way Shanny has in 2009. Just admit it that Josh is now outcoaching Shanahan in Denver. Simple as that. Regardless of who he kept or didnt keep, McDaniels>Shanahan.

Nope! can't and won't do that. The facts and the reality are is that Shanny's drafted O line and Shanny's WR's are largely responsible for/with game winning contributions and TD's THUS FAR after 7 weeks! It takes nothing away from what McDaniel's has accomplished the reality and facts are Josh didn't start from SCRATCH! and to be honest McD did take over an 8-8 Shanhan team. A .500 has talent! McD didn't inherit a bare bones team. Plain and Simple!!!

rastaman
10-30-2009, 01:32 PM
too little, too late and if the draft classes were so great, the team's record would not have been 24-24 over that 3 year period.

So please explain why the drafted players by Shanahan have scored the majority of the game winning TD's. Remember, these players drafted by Shanny aren't rookies anymore they're veteran experience are finally bearing fruit......just in time for McD's first year as HC!!! The timing couldn't have been BETTER. Don't you agree?

Popps
11-12-2009, 08:00 PM
Jeezuz.... is Jay going to drop a top 10 pick in our laps?

Archer81
11-12-2009, 08:01 PM
Jeezuz.... is Jay going to drop a top 10 pick in our laps?

Gift that keeps on giving.


:Broncos:

Archer81
11-12-2009, 08:06 PM
Nope! can't and won't do that. The facts and the reality are is that Shanny's drafted O line and Shanny's WR's are largely responsible for/with game winning contributions and TD's THUS FAR after 7 weeks! It takes nothing away from what McDaniel's has accomplished the reality and facts are Josh didn't start from SCRATCH! and to be honest McD did take over an 8-8 Shanhan team. A .500 has talent! McD didn't inherit a bare bones team. Plain and Simple!!!


We've been through this already. When McDaniels cuts or lets 30+ players walk, that Shanahan felt were good players the fact we were a .500 team is not that surprising. We had a few stars, and a solid o-line, but no depth.

:Broncos:

SouthStndJunkie
11-12-2009, 08:14 PM
Cutler may be mopey and a pouting SOB....but he is tough and can take a beating and get up for more.

GreatBronco16
11-12-2009, 08:25 PM
Cutler may be mopey and a pouting SOB....but he is tough and can take a beating and get up for more.

Yeah he got up for more allright. More INTs.:giggle:

Ambiguous
11-12-2009, 08:52 PM
Yeah he got up for more allright. More INTs.:giggle:

This.

The Bears would have been better off if he stayed down and had the center try to just run it in.

azbroncfan
11-12-2009, 08:55 PM
Can't win with a turnover prone loser period.

bronco militia
11-16-2009, 10:08 PM
http://creatorsincubator.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/cutlerdartsjpg.jpg

Popps
11-16-2009, 10:14 PM
Hilarious!

Popps
11-22-2009, 08:56 PM
Jay comes through again.

OBF1
11-22-2009, 09:08 PM
I loves me some Jay ***ler

theAPAOps5
11-22-2009, 09:11 PM
Jay Cutler the next Jeff George! I have said it over and over again but this drunk immature cat will always be just mediocre because he lacks any discipline or drive or desire.

Bet your Jay is at the bars now drowning away the criticism!

GreatBronco16
11-22-2009, 09:32 PM
http://creatorsincubator.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/cutlerdartsjpg.jpg

Hilarious!

Los Broncos
11-22-2009, 09:38 PM
Funny photo, just classic.

Circle Orange
11-23-2009, 09:24 PM
Jeezuz.... is Jay going to drop a top 10 pick in our laps?

Popps, this is bordering on absurd. We're going to put you on the twelve step program. Now take a deep breath, and repeat after me...

HE HAS A CANNON ARM. Ha!

watermock
11-23-2009, 09:37 PM
At least Cutler broke a sweat.

Jesus.

At least he left it on the field.

Simms and Orton laid down.

Popps
11-23-2009, 09:41 PM
At least Cutler broke a sweat.

Jesus.

At least he left it on the field.

Simms and Orton laid down.

LOL

Yea, Cutler really has Orton outdone in the heart department.

But, at least Jay didn't throw any teammates under the bus this week. At least not publicly.


Yet.

DivineBronco
11-23-2009, 09:43 PM
At least Cutler broke a sweat.

Jesus.

At least he left it on the field.

Simms and Orton laid down.

this is above and beyond your usual brillianceROFL!

watermock
11-23-2009, 09:45 PM
HE HAS A CANNON ARM.

And he doesn't have the intangibles to Elway.

Near miss.

Tell me how the other QB's are doing?

Young?

Kid A
11-23-2009, 09:46 PM
At least Cutler broke a sweat.

Jesus.

At least he left it on the field.

Simms and Orton laid down.

Yeah, Cutler left something out on the field all right: about 14 easy points.

watermock
11-23-2009, 09:46 PM
32-3

watermock
11-23-2009, 09:48 PM
Worry about that.

All I said is Cutler broke a sweat.

baja
11-23-2009, 10:26 PM
At least Cutler broke a sweat.

Jesus.

At least he left it on the field.

Simms and Orton laid down.

If Orton was laying down you are surly laying down. I give Orton huge respect for getting out there yesterday to say he laid down is just stupid Mock.

You need to buy the whole f'n alphabet.

DBroncos4life
11-23-2009, 10:43 PM
If Orton was laying down you are surly laying down. I give Orton huge respect for getting out there yesterday to say he laid down is just stupid Mock.

You need to buy the whole f'n alphabet.

Chinese alphabet at that....

Popps
11-23-2009, 10:49 PM
If Orton was laying down you are surly laying down. I give Orton huge respect for getting out there yesterday to say he laid down is just stupid Mock.

You need to buy the whole f'n alphabet.

Imagine the disdain you have to have for this franchise to call out Orton yesterday. It's not just being clueless... it's just disdain for the franchise.

Bronco Yoda
11-24-2009, 04:50 AM
Yeah, Cutler left something out on the field all right: about 14 easy points.

I'd say from the highlights showing on the NFL Network, it's double that. They showed 4 passes that were way off course with wide open WR's. I can't ever remember him missing so many wide open shots so badly. He's regressing over there in Chicago.

Captain 'Dre
11-24-2009, 06:22 AM
Cutler may be mopey and a pouting SOB....but he is tough and can take a beating and get up for more and still lose the game.

Fixed it for ya! Ha!