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Peoples Champ
10-25-2009, 03:39 PM
He just needs a good defense, a good offensive line, a good running game, a #1 receiver. Can anyone think of anything else?

Broncomutt
10-25-2009, 03:40 PM
Ed Hochuli?

Gort
10-25-2009, 03:43 PM
CHI offensive possessions today with Mr. Franchise QB at the helm. he has a stronger arm that John Elway too! true story.


START QTR POSS. YARD PLAYS YARDS RESULT
11:00 1 05:44 CHI 29 8 26 Punt
01:07 1 01:49 CHI 29 3 -2 Punt
11:14 2 01:33 CHI 27 5 35 Fumble
02:49 2 00:43 CHI 19 2 12 Intercepted Pass
01:10 2 01:10 CHI 26 9 70 Field Goal
00:00 2 00:00 CIN 0 1 0 End of Half
15:00 3 05:42 CHI 27 10 33 Intercepted Pass
04:48 3 01:43 CHI 35 4 21 Intercepted Pass
14:57 4 03:09 CHI 40 8 60 Touchdown

Gort
10-25-2009, 03:45 PM
in contrast, Carson Palmer's drives today.


START QTR POSS. YARD PLAYS YARDS RESULT
15:00 1 04:00 CIN 23 8 77 Touchdown
05:16 1 04:09 CIN 20 8 80 Touchdown
14:18 2 03:04 CIN 37 7 63 Touchdown
09:41 2 06:52 CIN 34 12 66 Touchdown
02:06 2 00:56 CIN 17 4 6 Field Goal
09:18 3 04:30 CIN 39 9 61 Touchdown
03:05 3 03:08 CIN 47 7 53 Touchdown


wonder what CIN could do on offense if only they had a franchise QB too! :D

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 03:46 PM
He just needs a good defense, a good offensive line, a good running game, a #1 receiver. Can anyone think of anything else?

head coach..

Bronco X
10-25-2009, 03:47 PM
Blame is to Cutler as a bullet is to Superman. It bounces right off him, usually right into the people around him (coaches, receivers, o-line, defense). And like Superman and bullets, Cutler always finds himself in situations where there's blame flying around.

Williams
10-25-2009, 03:47 PM
He just needs a good defense, a good offensive line, a good running game, a #1 receiver. Can anyone think of anything else?

Not true. He had all of the above in the probowl.

What did he do?? Throw a pick off his back foot.

loborugger
10-25-2009, 03:47 PM
And good fans.

Gort
10-25-2009, 03:48 PM
head coach..

he needs the same thing the scarecrow needs...

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll245/raenon_photo/new%20album/scarecrow.gif

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 03:49 PM
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4301/itsnotyourfault.jpg

Man-Goblin
10-25-2009, 03:50 PM
He just needs a good defense, a good offensive line, a good running game, a #1 receiver. Can anyone think of anything else?

You forgot special teams.

Popps
10-25-2009, 03:53 PM
He just needs a good defense, a good offensive line, a good running game, a #1 receiver. Can anyone think of anything else?

Hilarious!

TonyR
10-25-2009, 03:54 PM
Franchise.

Popps
10-25-2009, 03:55 PM
The Franchise.

http://www.ronmex.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/cutler_greg.jpg

Peoples Champ
10-25-2009, 03:55 PM
Not true. He had all of the above in the probowl.

What did he do?? Throw a pick off his back foot.



I know, i was being sarcastic, im just wondering when the blame is going to be put on Cutler? After today? 3 more games, 6 more games, next year?

bombay
10-25-2009, 03:55 PM
head coach..

Oddly, head coach did well prior to arrival of franchise qb.

Williams
10-25-2009, 03:57 PM
I know, i was being sarcastic, im just wondering when the blame is going to be put on Cutler? After today? 3 more games, 6 more games, next year?

I knew that, lol. I shouldve put a smilie in there. :~ohyah!:

bombay
10-25-2009, 03:57 PM
The Franchise.

http://www.ronmex.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/cutler_greg.jpg

I would like to purchase one of franchise's chins.

Gort
10-25-2009, 03:58 PM
the franchise QB has left the building.

UberBroncoMan
10-25-2009, 04:03 PM
Damnit they pulled him out of the game... I wanted to see a 4th INT.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-25-2009, 04:07 PM
Its not Cutler's fault.

It never is.

Kaylore
10-25-2009, 04:07 PM
It's Phillip Rivers' fault for yelling at him two year ago.

Also, Pat Bowlen and Josh McDaniels conspired to tell the Bengals secondary where his passes were going. Those three interceptions are on McDaniels. **** YOU McDouche!

TonyR
10-25-2009, 04:08 PM
It's McPoopypant's fault. He went and traded him!!!

HEAV
10-25-2009, 04:12 PM
head coach..

He ran away from one that could have taken his game to the next level. He wanted to be a Bear and he got his wish.

20 Million guaranteed :spit:

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 04:14 PM
He ran away from one that could have taken his game to the next level. He wanted to be a Bear and he got his wish.

20 Million guaranteed :spit:


The whole senerio couldn't have turned out any better IMO everything has fallen into it's proper place.

Paladin
10-25-2009, 04:16 PM
So. We looking at a top 15 pick?

Broncomutt
10-25-2009, 04:24 PM
The Franchise.

http://www.ronmex.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/cutler_greg.jpg

Jay: And then I said , "Like, screw you Pat! I'm on vacation!"

Queerguy: Oh snap!

Jay: Yeah, yeah, and he was totally like, "You better call me young man!" And I was like, "Gee, OK dad!"

Queerguy: Oh no you din't!

Jay: Yeah, yeah, and then I was like , "Take your little coordinator guy and like, go....like....do something...like...you know..."

Queerguy: Dude that was so ballsy. I mean you got balls dude. Balls!

Jay: Yeah, yeah and he was like talking about like contracts and acting like he doesn't care that I went to the pro-bowl and junk. So I said , "Suck this Pat!" And you know what, he totally did!

Queerguy: Wait, what? Bowlen blew you?

Jay: Yeah, yeah, totally man. I mean....nah, not really but you know, right?

Queerguy: So how come the papers said you never called him back?

Jay: Shut up Lex! Or do you want to start payin' for your own drinks?

Gort
10-25-2009, 04:24 PM
notable blowouts in Cutler's short career. he's good for about 2 headscratchers per year. CHI has one out of the way. they'll get another one like today before the season is over.

2006: 48-20 loss to SD
2007: 41-3 loss to SD
2007: 44-7 loss to DET
2008: 41-7 loss to NE
2008: 52-21 loss to SD
2009: 45-10 loss to CIN

HEAV
10-25-2009, 04:29 PM
So. We looking at a top 15 pick?

Well the Bears ar 3-3, but they have some bad teams left to play thsi year. Browns,Rams,Lions.. But then on the other end they have to play the Cards,Eagles,Vikes (twice), Packers and Ravens. The only toss up game I seen it the 49ers.

There is a chance for a top 15 pick.

houghtam
10-25-2009, 04:31 PM
Anyone else still think we'd have the same record if we had Cutler?

HEAV
10-25-2009, 04:35 PM
Anyone else still think we'd have the same record if we had Cutler?

6-0? No way in hell.

3-3 ? ya.

Soul-Bronco
10-25-2009, 04:36 PM
Anyone else still think we'd have the same record if we had Cutler?

we would be 16-0 right now if we had cutler

Kaylore
10-25-2009, 04:38 PM
Well the Bears ar 3-3, but they have some bad teams left to play thsi year. Browns,Rams,Lions.. But then on the other end they have to play the Cards,Eagles,Vikes (twice), Packers and Ravens. The only toss up game I seen it the 49ers.

There is a chance for a top 15 pick.

Don't jinx it! :pray:

Popps
10-25-2009, 04:40 PM
There is a chance for a top 15 pick.

Ahhhh... the sweet, delicious irony.


:P

****in' awesome.

errand
10-25-2009, 05:12 PM
He just needs a good defense, a good offensive line, a good running game, a #1 receiver. Can anyone think of anything else?


...I hear there's a Wizard in the Emerald City that might help. He worked wonders for a scarecrow looking for brains, a tin guy looking for heart, and a lion looking for courage. But then again like that girl from Kansas, maybe all Jay wanted to do was go home.

DenverBrit
10-25-2009, 05:18 PM
Ahhhh... the sweet, delicious irony.


:P

****in' awesome.

The wailing that went with McD trading Denver's pick and keeping Chicago's makes it even sweeter.

Miss I.
10-25-2009, 05:20 PM
Okay, i have a question, when are we going to let go? I mean don't get me wrong, I get a bit of kick when I see Jay sacked. I am not so above it all to pretend I wasn't a bit tweaked about the off season shenanigans. However, having said that, I hope Jay and Chicago get their collective crap together and make a decent team. It's what I hope for the Chiefs and SD, but not really the Raiders, I really have an irrational loathing for them. I like competition. I think it makes other's stride to be better. We need to be better, irregardless of Jayby. I love our team, but I also love the game of Football. When we have better competition, we have better games, more entertaining. I also can relate to being on a team down on it's luck and Chicago clearly placed it's hopes with Jay (the fans and the team) and I can't help but sympathize and relate to that. I hoped, rather than believed in that too at one time (I suspect so did Shanny). I wish him maturity and leadership and I wish all of us the ability to move on and find success as individuals and teams. Jay can be a ton of fun to watch, I hope he gets over this hurdle. I hope more that the Broncos continue a great tradition of fun and winning (not whining). I love my team, I love Football. Go Broncos (and if we happen to beat Jay in a game, so be it, I can't help it if Elvis needs to smack him to the ground and sack him to say hello, that's just friendly).

Drek
10-25-2009, 05:28 PM
Okay, i have a question, when are we going to let go?

Personally I let it go the minute we stole Orton, two 1sts, and a 3rd from Chicago for Cutler and a 5th.

I love watching our pick improve, though I do feel some sympathy for Cutler. He's just immature and hasn't had the reality checks needed along the way, he's not a bad person or anything.

My stance all along has been that I hope Chicago finishes in the 6-10 to 8-8 range so we can get a 8-15 pick, then Lovie gets fired, Shanahan gets hired, and he makes the right moves to bring in the right people (not Slowik obviously).

I don't think it'll happen like that, unfortunately. I could see Chicago going 6-10 to 8-8, sure, but even if they do manage to sign Shanahan I think he'd still drag Slowik and a lot of his legacy bull**** with him to Chicago. Tommie Harris and Brian Urlacher are both getting older and neither one is getting healthier with time. If Shanahan goes to Chicago he's going to find himself trying to rebuild a defense again, and he's never shown the ability to do that from the ground up.

Peoples Champ
10-25-2009, 05:35 PM
[QUOTE=Miss I.;2617181]Okay, i have a question, when are we going to let go? QUOTE]

Sorry, its just that I sit by a Bears fan at work, and all I heard forever about how the bears stole Cutler and the Broncos were dumb to give him up and the bears are in the superbowl now. His fantasy football team name was "Thank you Broncos". So I guess I am just milking it as long as I can. Plus my moms side of the family lives in Chicago and all them said the same thing.

PS: I changed my fantasy football team name to "Thank you Bears"

Hercules Rockefeller
10-25-2009, 05:39 PM
Well the Bears ar 3-3, but they have some bad teams left to play thsi year. Browns,Rams,Lions.. But then on the other end they have to play the Cards,Eagles,Vikes (twice), Packers and Ravens. The only toss up game I seen it the 49ers.

There is a chance for a top 15 pick.

They have 3 losses, conceivably they could still go 13-3. Just like Denver could lose out and go 6-10 and Josh looks like an idiot for trading Denver's own pick.

Until Denver has clinched a spot in the playoffs and the Bears have been eliminated, the draft pick talk is way too premature.

snowspot66
10-25-2009, 05:41 PM
Well the Bears ar 3-3, but they have some bad teams left to play thsi year. Browns,Rams,Lions.. But then on the other end they have to play the Cards,Eagles,Vikes (twice), Packers and Ravens. The only toss up game I seen it the 49ers.

There is a chance for a top 15 pick.

There's a lot of really bad teams this year but if they go 7-9 or 8-8 it will be a low or middle teens pick. Real good shot at it.

Circle Orange
10-25-2009, 05:50 PM
we would be 16-0 right now if we had cutler

especially after seven weeks! ROFL!

Archer81
10-25-2009, 05:53 PM
Its not Jay's fault because:

1. The beetus was actin up.
2. The color blue makes his ass look fat.
3. Oprah called, and wanted him on tv.
4. His mom told him recently about his real father, Broncobuff.
5. His jock was riding up.
6. He had a fight with his BF.
7. Olsen found out about the BF.
8. Had too many bananas at breakfast.
9. He was struck by the microcasm that is life and football...
10. He wanted to know if Mary had a little lamb...

:Broncos:

FantomForce
10-25-2009, 05:55 PM
I am not smart enough with the computer but someone please insert pic of Cutler with his pouty look grabbing his shoulder pads at the chest with his helemt half up looking for someone else to blame PLEASE!

Soul-Bronco
10-25-2009, 05:58 PM
you guys are going to love this gem i found on the bears forum!! This was a reply to a post created by a fan who claimed he had a bad feeling about the cincy game and if they would have to put the game in cutlers hands they would be in trouble, in comes this genius

If we have to rely on Cutler you think we will lose??? I want the ball in Cutler's Hands when the game is on the line. That is why he just got the big contract extension because he is a winner and I want the ball in a winner's hands. He already has us 2 come from victories and one against GB that the D gave up a 50 yd TD seconds after Cutler brought us to the lead. Anyone who doesnt want the ball in Cutler's hands when the game is on the line needs his head examined.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 06:03 PM
Timber!!!!!
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2545/cutlergoingdown.jpg

Circle Orange
10-25-2009, 06:17 PM
The Franchise.

http://www.ronmex.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/cutler_greg.jpg


"I don't normally do triple chinned fatties...but you're kinda hot in a Bob's Big Boy kinda way."

"I'm from Santa Claus."

"Where's that?"

"East of Bum****, twelve miles south of Hicksville. It's a small town and a big family!"

"Oh, NOW I understand."

"Ya want we should go out sometime?"

"Mmm. Wanna nibble those chins, lover. When I was a kid, I used to eat dough when anyone made cookies, if you get my drift."

"I dunno, Chicago's a tough town. They might talk-"

"Don't worry, we've already had a sex cannon here. But I'm over that!"

"You mean?!"

"Yes. I was Rexed."

:clown:

DarkHorse30
10-25-2009, 06:20 PM
he needs the same thing the scarecrow needs...

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll245/raenon_photo/new%20album/scarecrow.gif

Bwa ha ha....:~ohyah!:

Bronco X
10-25-2009, 06:23 PM
Okay, i have a question, when are we going to let go? I mean don't get me wrong, I get a bit of kick when I see Jay sacked. I am not so above it all to pretend I wasn't a bit tweaked about the off season shenanigans. However, having said that, I hope Jay and Chicago get their collective crap together and make a decent team. It's what I hope for the Chiefs and SD, but not really the Raiders, I really have an irrational loathing for them. I like competition. I think it makes other's stride to be better. We need to be better, irregardless of Jayby. I love our team, but I also love the game of Football. When we have better competition, we have better games, more entertaining. I also can relate to being on a team down on it's luck and Chicago clearly placed it's hopes with Jay (the fans and the team) and I can't help but sympathize and relate to that. I hoped, rather than believed in that too at one time (I suspect so did Shanny). I wish him maturity and leadership and I wish all of us the ability to move on and find success as individuals and teams. Jay can be a ton of fun to watch, I hope he gets over this hurdle. I hope more that the Broncos continue a great tradition of fun and winning (not whining). I love my team, I love Football. Go Broncos (and if we happen to beat Jay in a game, so be it, I can't help it if Elvis needs to smack him to the ground and sack him to say hello, that's just friendly).

It was rubbed in our faces for months on end that trading Cutler was the worst thing to ever happen to the franchise, even though the Broncos have been nothing but mediocre since he got here. Orton was mocked, Cutler was deified, and when anyone brought up their win loss record people said "Orton had a defense and Cutler had the worst ever!". I think a little bit of payback is not out of order.

Circle Orange
10-25-2009, 06:29 PM
Okay, i have a question, when are we going to let go? I mean don't get me wrong, I get a bit of kick when I see Jay sacked. I am not so above it all to pretend I wasn't a bit tweaked about the off season shenanigans. However, having said that, I hope Jay and Chicago get their collective crap together and make a decent team. It's what I hope for the Chiefs and SD, but not really the Raiders, I really have an irrational loathing for them. I like competition. I think it makes other's stride to be better. We need to be better, irregardless of Jayby. I love our team, but I also love the game of Football. When we have better competition, we have better games, more entertaining. I also can relate to being on a team down on it's luck and Chicago clearly placed it's hopes with Jay (the fans and the team) and I can't help but sympathize and relate to that. I hoped, rather than believed in that too at one time (I suspect so did Shanny). I wish him maturity and leadership and I wish all of us the ability to move on and find success as individuals and teams. Jay can be a ton of fun to watch, I hope he gets over this hurdle. I hope more that the Broncos continue a great tradition of fun and winning (not whining). I love my team, I love Football. Go Broncos (and if we happen to beat Jay in a game, so be it, I can't help it if Elvis needs to smack him to the ground and sack him to say hello, that's just friendly).

LOL, I freely admit I have a weakness for this sort of thing, and immediately ran to my computer to make snarky comments. Today's wretched performance by Chi-town begged for mockery.

Besides, it's an american tradition to be idiotic, irrational and rambling when clinging to bitter disputes. ;D

DarkHorse30
10-25-2009, 06:32 PM
It was rubbed in our faces for months on end that trading Cutler was the worst thing to ever happen to the franchise, even though the Broncos have been nothing but mediocre since he got here. Orton was mocked, Cutler was deified, and when anyone brought up their win loss record people said "Orton had a defense and Cutler had the worst ever!". I think a little bit of payback is not out of order.

I agree. I don't get the "we should let it go" people at all.

The Cutler trade was gigantic, no matter which side was right (bears or Broncos). Maybe both sides were right, but the press.....and a lot of people on this board....crucified Mcdaniels AND Bowlen AND Orton before a down was played. Now they get to eat **** and ask for seconds.

Soul-Bronco
10-25-2009, 06:37 PM
99% of the just let it go people are the same ones who swore that bowlen was a drunk ( wait what?) and we would go 3 - 13

screw that! broncos baby!!!!!!!!

Soul-Bronco
10-25-2009, 06:39 PM
anyone have a link to the most recent emo jay press confrence? ya know ya know ya know i suck ya know ya know we cant turn the ball over ya know ya know

enjolras
10-25-2009, 06:41 PM
I agree. I don't get the "we should let it go" people at all.

The Cutler trade was gigantic, no matter which side was right (bears or Broncos). Maybe both sides were right, but the press.....and a lot of people on this board....crucified Mcdaniels AND Bowlen AND Orton before a down was played. Now they get to eat **** and ask for seconds.

I think it really just shows how little Bronco football the talking heads actually watch. They seemed shocked that Cutler has a penchant for throwing INT's during key situations.

That's not surprising, he did the same thing here.

They annointed him a superstar QB when he wasn't that here.

If Cutler had been drafted by the Jets and the same exact situation went down... I'm convinced the conversation would have been much different throughout the media.

baja
10-25-2009, 06:46 PM
[QUOTE=Broncomutt;2617018]Jay: And then I said , "Like, screw you Pat! I'm on vacation!"

"I don't normally do triple chinned fatties...but you're kinda hot in a Bob's Big Boy kinda way."

"I'm from Santa Claus."

"Where's that?"

"East of Bum****, twelve miles south of Hicksville. It's a small town and a big family!"

"Oh, NOW I understand."

"Ya want we should go out sometime?"

"Mmm. Wanna nibble those chins, lover. When I was a kid, I used to eat dough when anyone made cookies, if you get my drift."

"I dunno, Chicago's a tough town. They might talk-"

"Don't worry, we've already had a sex cannon here. But I'm over that!"

"You mean?!"

"Yes. I was Rexed."

:clown:

Well my dear one thing is clear, you certainly have better drugs than me.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 06:48 PM
cutler throwing off his back foot

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d813b0c16/Bengals-45-Bears-10

NYBronc
10-25-2009, 06:50 PM
Cutler's comments start at 1:09

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09000d5d813b2364/Bears-postgame-press-conference

Soul-Bronco
10-25-2009, 06:53 PM
cutler throwing off his back foot

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d813b0c16/Bengals-45-Bears-10

cutler would rather run backwards and throw off his back foot then step into the pocket.

Soul-Bronco
10-25-2009, 06:55 PM
Cutler's comments start at 1:09

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09000d5d813b2364/Bears-postgame-press-conference

lol!! ten games left alot of foot ball left

i cant wait till its yea i have 4 more years on my contract left so theirs plenty of football left

WyoLaw
10-25-2009, 07:23 PM
But, but, but Cutler has a rocket arm. HA!!

SouthCarolinaBronco
10-25-2009, 07:27 PM
It's not going away until the season is over. Cutler for Orton is the highest profile trade in the history of the Denver Broncos franchise, just above Portis for Champ.

anon
10-25-2009, 07:28 PM
He just needs a good defense, a good offensive line, a good running game, a #1 receiver. Can anyone think of anything else?

In other words, he's a franchise game manager.

Popps
10-25-2009, 08:10 PM
It's not going away until the season is over. Cutler for Orton is the highest profile trade in the history of the Denver Broncos franchise, just above Portis for Champ.

Yea, this stuff is here to stay.... and why not?

Cutler quit on the team, and now he's playing as ****ty as expected... and helping us gain a higher draft pick next year.

What's not to like?

That is, of course... unless you were on the wrong side of the trade around here...

:rofl:

Broncotilldeath
10-25-2009, 08:12 PM
The Franchise.

http://www.ronmex.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/cutler_greg.jpg

I have that same shirt.

DelBronco
10-25-2009, 08:21 PM
It's not going away until the season is over. Cutler for Orton is the highest profile trade in the history of the Denver Broncos franchise, just above Portis for Champ.

Well, other than the trade that got us some Elway guy....

Dedhed
10-25-2009, 08:22 PM
Anyone else still think we'd have the same record if we had Cutler?

no

SouthCarolinaBronco
10-25-2009, 08:42 PM
Well, other than the trade that got us some Elway guy....

Yeah, but my dad tells me that that wasn't as big of a deal at the time because nobody had any idea how great it was. In hindsight it was awesome, but it wasn't particularly controversial at the time.

I was in diapers at the time, so I can't say :-)

RMT
10-25-2009, 08:54 PM
Not true. He had all of the above in the probowl.

What did he do?? Throw a pick off his back foot.

and wasn't his pro bowl QB rating something like 15.7?

HEAV
10-25-2009, 09:01 PM
Cutler's comments start at 1:09

http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears/09000d5d813b2364/Bears-postgame-press-conference

Lovie sounds like a coach I've....I can't put my finger on it...heard these things before some where.:wiggle:

tsiguy96
10-25-2009, 09:03 PM
Lovie sounds like a coach I've....I can't put my finger on it...heard these things before some where.:wiggle:

i wonder :thanku:

Bronco X
10-25-2009, 09:12 PM
Yeah, but my dad tells me that that wasn't as big of a deal at the time because nobody had any idea how great it was. In hindsight it was awesome, but it wasn't particularly controversial at the time.

I was in diapers at the time, so I can't say :-)

The only way it wasn't as big a deal was because the media wasn't as hypersaturated as it is today (no internet, just the beginning of cable TV, etc.). But it was plenty controversial since Elway was refusing to play for Baltimore, and for the Broncos franchise, it was a major deal, at the time and in hindsight.

Broncobiv
10-25-2009, 09:23 PM
I hope Jay and Chicago get their collective crap together and make a decent team.
I don't. I hope Jay goes 4-12 each season for the rest of his career. I mean, it's not gonna happen, but the way he acted this offseason, I hope he has a terrible career.

Rabb
10-25-2009, 09:36 PM
He has the luxury of having a bad team around him for the most part now, and when it isn't clicking once again he won't be blamed

I am convinced that if he were here in this exact system right now, we would not be 6-0 because several games we have had to rely on not turning the ball over in key situations and have had to come from behind

most Bear's boards I have seen are excusing Jay because what else is he supposed to do, he was playing from behind?

good riddance I say, we are much better off

lonestar
10-25-2009, 09:40 PM
now that he has 30 mil guaranteed they get the real jay.. welcome to chicago

RMT
10-25-2009, 09:41 PM
the difference between a TRUE "franchise QB" and an imposter is that a TRUE franchise QB is a leader who makes everyone around him BETTER. jay cutler does NOT do that.

Hercules Rockefeller
10-25-2009, 09:45 PM
most Bear's boards I have seen are excusing Jay because what else is he supposed to do, he was playing from behind?


He had no bearing on that, it was 31-0 before the Bears offense was even allowed to take the field. Why would anyone blame Cutler for not putting any points on the board until the final play of the 1st half?

GreatBronco16
10-25-2009, 09:52 PM
He had no bearing on that, it was 31-0 before the Bears offense was even allowed to take the field. Why would anyone blame Cutler for not putting any points on the board until the final play of the 1st half?

What a crock of horse****.

baja
10-25-2009, 09:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller
He had no bearing on that, it was 31-0 before the Bears offense was even allowed to take the field. Why would anyone blame Cutler for not putting any points on the board until the final play of the 1st half?

Did Jay kick that field goal, man now that's franchise!

RMT
10-25-2009, 10:01 PM
here's the play-by-play from the game ... seems to me the Bears' offense had opportunities to move the ball in the 1st half. cutler had a fumble and an INT ... so i'm certain he was on the field before the score was 31-0.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009102500/2009/REG7/bears@bengals#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay

Popps
10-25-2009, 10:15 PM
Look, Jay and Bus got their money. There's a good chance we're all thinking about this loss much more than Jay is. He's probably on his 6th scotch by now.

Br0nc0Buster
10-25-2009, 10:19 PM
here's the play-by-play from the game ... seems to me the Bears' offense had opportunities to move the ball in the 1st half. cutler had a fumble and an INT ... so i'm certain he was on the field before the score was 31-0.

I watched the game
He was on the field until it was 45-10
and that TD he threw came in garbage time when the Bengals put the backups in and went into prevent mode

The Bears looked Raider esque out there today

BroncoMan4ever
10-25-2009, 10:27 PM
He just needs a good defense, a good offensive line, a good running game, a #1 receiver. Can anyone think of anything else?

Kyle Orton's brain and attitude

baja
10-25-2009, 10:32 PM
Kyle Orton's brain and attitude

and Josh McDaniels

azbroncfan
10-25-2009, 10:38 PM
He just needs a good defense, a good offensive line, a good running game, a #1 receiver. Can anyone think of anything else?

How can you expect him to do anything when the watermock, Blueflame, Broncobuff, Socal's and the rest of the Buttler's are hanging off his nuts? Leave Jay alone.

Popps
10-25-2009, 10:43 PM
How can you expect him to do anything when the watermock, Blueflame, Broncobuff, Socal's and the rest of the Buttler's are hanging off his nuts? Leave Jay alone.

Amazing how quiet it is around here these days, eh?

:giggle:

Fine by me. We've lost a lot of dead weight around here. "Great" posters like ColonBeef are now invisible, when just months ago... they spam-patrolled the forum all day long, pouncing on any threat of optimism.

The forum has undergone a giant "flushing" and the crap has gone down the drain.

lonestar
10-25-2009, 10:45 PM
the difference between a TRUE "franchise QB" and an imposter is that a TRUE franchise QB is a leader who makes everyone around him BETTER. jay cutler does NOT do that.


actually it could be argued that he makes players look worse.. especially after tonights game..

Raidersbane
10-25-2009, 10:50 PM
I really can't blame any of us for hating Jay's guts and holding a grudge. He turned his back on us. He couldn't get outta town fast enough and left us behind without a care. I hope the engine of his career flames out and has the glide angle of a crowbar....

Rock Chalk
10-25-2009, 10:51 PM
Remember when Cutler said Bronco fans were a 6 and Chicago fans were a 9?

He's going to find out just exactly how bad a 9 can be when they aren't on your side.

azbroncfan
10-25-2009, 10:56 PM
Amazing how quiet it is around here these days, eh?

:giggle:

Fine by me. We've lost a lot of dead weight around here. "Great" posters like ColonBeef are now invisible, when just months ago... they spam-patrolled the forum all day long, pouncing on any threat of optimism.

The forum has undergone a giant "flushing" and the crap has gone down the drain.

It has I can say I wasn't for the trade but I didn't bash it til the results came out and it is plain obvious that MCD has forgotten more football knowledge than anyone around here has and Bowlen is a lot more successful of a business person than any poster here.

Rock Chalk
10-25-2009, 10:58 PM
I never questioned Bowlen's business savvy.

People don't become BILLIONAIRES unless they know what the hell they are doing.

Circle Orange
10-25-2009, 10:58 PM
[QUOTE=Circle Orange;2617309]

Well my dear one thing is clear, you certainly have better drugs than me.

I got a sample from Jay-Jay! Ha!

But we are here to mock his greatness, not praise it. The bears post game was good for a few giggles...as usual, everything was everyone else's fault and lack of preparation. I found it interesting Jay walked off the field after every botched series with his head down, or looking disinterested.

He'll turn it around for Chicago. He has to. He's hotter than sex, sliced bread and the hoola hoop. Not to mention marshmallow cupcakes.

cutthemdown
10-25-2009, 11:00 PM
Remember when Cutler said Bronco fans were a 6 and Chicago fans were a 9?

He's going to find out just exactly how bad a 9 can be when they aren't on your side.

Yep. When all this went down I said Jay better win because those Chicago fans will only wait about 2 yrs for a Superbowl, then totally turn on him. Same with the media in Chicago. It won't get too bad this yr, still plenty other players too blame and pass buck to. Just wait though its going to get good.

BroncoMan4ever
10-26-2009, 02:31 AM
Yep. When all this went down I said Jay better win because those Chicago fans will only wait about 2 yrs for a Superbowl, then totally turn on him. Same with the media in Chicago. It won't get too bad this yr, still plenty other players too blame and pass buck to. Just wait though its going to get good.

i still can't believe Chicago gave him 2 more years on his deal after less than a half of a season, in which he has not been all that great.

he still had 2 seasons after this year was over on his deal. if he crashes and burns which is beginning to look more and more likely, with his attitude, ego, stubbornness, and unwillingness to learn to use his brain on the field, they could have moved on and been done with the failed experiment in 2011, but they have basicaly hand cuffed the franchise to him in hopes that he puts it all together and becomes the next Favre.

BroncoMan4ever
10-26-2009, 02:35 AM
[QUOTE=baja;2617363]

I got a sample from Jay-Jay! Ha!

But we are here to mock his greatness, not praise it. The bears post game was good for a few giggles...as usual, everything was everyone else's fault and lack of preparation. I found it interesting Jay walked off the field after every botched series with his head down, or looking disinterested.

He'll turn it around for Chicago. He has to. He's hotter than sex, sliced bread and the hoola hoop. Not to mention marshmallow cupcakes.

what does he have to worry about? they just gave him 20 million more for doing nothing special this season. he knows that he could **** his pants on the field and the fans would still be fine with him, because they see him as the best they have had since Luckman in the 50s

cutthemdown
10-26-2009, 03:19 AM
I never questioned Bowlen's business savvy.

People don't become BILLIONAIRES unless they know what the hell they are doing.

There ain't no man whose got that money in his hand, who got into that bread by being slow in the head. The better it looks, the harder it hooks, well there aint no thing as easy money.

cutthemdown
10-26-2009, 03:23 AM
i still can't believe Chicago gave him 2 more years on his deal after less than a half of a season, in which he has not been all that great.

he still had 2 seasons after this year was over on his deal. if he crashes and burns which is beginning to look more and more likely, with his attitude, ego, stubbornness, and unwillingness to learn to use his brain on the field, they could have moved on and been done with the failed experiment in 2011, but they have basicaly hand cuffed the franchise to him in hopes that he puts it all together and becomes the next Favre.


I understand why people would feel like you but look at it this way. The Bears understand that Cutler will eventually hold out if he didn't get a new deal. In fact he would have probably held out to start next yr much like he did Denver.

The Bears IMO figured lets try and make him happy now so we don't have to deal with it later. They have no leverage because they gave up all the picks for him, they have to justify that by signing him long terms and avoiding a holdout.

Had it ended in a hold out the people of Chicago would probably have turned on Cutler and the management of the Bears would be looking foolish.

BroncoBuff
10-26-2009, 03:31 AM
How can you expect him to do anything when the watermock, Blueflame, Broncobuff, Socal's and the rest of the Buttler's are hanging off his nuts? Leave Jay alone.Amazing how quiet it is around here these days, eh?

Fine by me. We've lost a lot of dead weight around here.

The forum has undergone a giant "flushing" and the crap has gone down the drain.

Only person missing from az's list is SoCal.

I'll make sure to let him know what you think of him.

BroncoBuff
10-26-2009, 03:33 AM
I never questioned Bowlen's business savvy.

People don't become BILLIONAIRES unless they know what the hell they are doing.

Pat's not a billionaire.

NYBronc
10-26-2009, 04:16 AM
Pat's not a billionaire.

http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/forbes.html

Washington Redskins NFL Daniel Snyder $1.1 billion

Dallas Cowboys NFL Jerry Jones $923 million

Houston Texans NFL Robert McNair $905 million

New England Patriots NFL Robert Kraft $861 million

Philadelphia Eagles NFL Jeffrey Lurie $833 million

Denver Broncos NFL Pat Bowlen $815 million



It's probably safe to say Pat has 185 million tied up in other ventures.

BroncoBuff
10-26-2009, 04:30 AM
http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/forbes.html

Washington Redskins NFL Daniel Snyder $1.1 billion

Dallas Cowboys NFL Jerry Jones $923 million

Houston Texans NFL Robert McNair $905 million

New England Patriots NFL Robert Kraft $861 million

Philadelphia Eagles NFL Jeffrey Lurie $833 million

Denver Broncos NFL Pat Bowlen $815 million



It's probably safe to say Pat has 185 million tied up in other ventures.
It doesn't quite work like that, but point taken.

Pat is consistently listed among the least wealthy NFL owners.

Here's the list of all the billionaire NFL owners:

1. Paul Allen, Seattle Seahawks
Net worth: $16.8 billion

2. Malcolm Glazer, Tampa Bay Bucs
Net worth: $2.5 billion

3. Wayne Huizenga, Miami Dolphins
Net Worth: $2.5 billion

4. Randolph Lerner, Cleveland Browns
Net Worth: $1.6 billion

5. Robert McNair, Houston Texans
Net Worth: $1.5 billion

6. Arthur Blank, Atlanta Falcons
Net Worth: $1.5 billion

7. Jerry Jones, Dallas Cowboys
Net Worth: $1.5 billion

8. Robert Kraft, New England Patriots
Net Worth: $1.4 billion

9. Steve Bisciotti, Baltimore Ravens
Net Worth: $1.3 billion

10. Daniel Snyder , Washington
Net Worth: $1 billion

errand
10-26-2009, 05:46 AM
Rememebr when Freak 6 posted that infamous "who would you trade Jay for" and like 90% of the clowns on here said "NOBODY". My how things have changed. He's now in
chicago for the mere pittance of Kyle Orton two #1's and a third...

barryr
10-26-2009, 06:21 AM
The Bears must love Cutler's risk taking. He's thrown what, 10 picks so far? Way to go Cutler and his fans, LOL!

TailgateNut
10-26-2009, 06:28 AM
Only person missing from az's list is SoCal.

I'll make sure to let him know what you think of him.

As if anyone gave a hoot what SoCal thinks.

Is he SPECIAL?

RMT
10-26-2009, 06:39 AM
I never questioned Bowlen's business savvy.

People don't become BILLIONAIRES unless they know what the hell they are doing.

one exception would be daniel snyder. lol

Dukes
10-26-2009, 07:02 AM
one exception would be daniel snyder. lol

That's what happens when a businessman plays fantasy football with a real team.

Bronco X
10-26-2009, 08:16 AM
one exception would be daniel snyder. lol

I'd disagree with the sentiment that if someone made a boatload of money they know what they're doing. For one, just because someone can make money in real estate, or other enterprises, does not mean they know how to run any kind of business let alone a sports franchise. If that were true, there'd be no such thing as a bad owner.

Gort
10-26-2009, 08:36 AM
[QUOTE=Circle Orange;2617935]

what does he have to worry about? they just gave him 20 million more for doing nothing special this season. he knows that he could **** his pants on the field and the fans would still be fine with him, because they see him as the best they have had since Luckman in the 50s

Luckman played in the 40's.

BMarsh615
10-26-2009, 08:45 AM
LEAVE CUTLER ALONE!!!!!!! (http://www.dabears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27391)

TailgateNut
10-26-2009, 08:49 AM
LEAVE CUTLER ALONE!!!!!!! (http://www.dabears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27391)

Originally Posted by chicago85bearz
Cutler can play well even if hes playing bad.

Yes, yes... We can win even while we lose!!!
__________________
:spit:

NYBronc
10-26-2009, 08:59 AM
Look familiar?

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TailgateNut
10-26-2009, 09:01 AM
Look familiar?

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:rofl::thanku::rofl:

Chicago should call Jake!

tsiguy96
10-26-2009, 09:02 AM
it wont be cutlers fault for awhile, then they will see what we say: it is his fault more often then they think. he was not directly responsible for that win, but it really is an amazing phenomenon that cutlers teams get blown out so much, on offense and defense.

cutler made the same mistakes there that he made here, where he had an elite oline and WR. hes not a good teammate or leader, but has all the physical ability in the world which is all that people see and fall in love with. he extends plays, but then throws off his back foot into double coverage for a pick, and its someone elses fault then his?

Meck77
10-26-2009, 09:10 AM
Look familiar?

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http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1351/griese.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/griese.jpg/)

Same attitude....

Same results....

Rulon Velvet Jones
10-26-2009, 09:11 AM
How can he not be on the same page with his receivers? They've had months together.

Sanchez, a rookie, didn't seem to have much trouble hooking up with Braylon Edwards just days after the Jets acquired him.

What a crock of ****.

Ambiguous
10-26-2009, 09:31 AM
LEAVE CUTLER ALONE!!!!!!! (http://www.dabears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27391)

Reading that thread is like reading 90% of the threads here one year ago.

Peoples Champ
10-26-2009, 10:05 AM
it wont be cutlers fault for awhile, then they will see what we say: it is his fault more often then they think. he was not directly responsible for that win, but it really is an amazing phenomenon that cutlers teams get blown out so much, on offense and defense.

cutler made the same mistakes there that he made here, where he had an elite oline and WR. hes not a good teammate or leader, but has all the physical ability in the world which is all that people see and fall in love with. he extends plays, but then throws off his back foot into double coverage for a pick, and its someone elses fault then his?

thats what I say

Peoples Champ
10-26-2009, 10:08 AM
Rememebr when Freak 6 posted that infamous "who would you trade Jay for" and like 90% of the clowns on here said "NOBODY". My how things have changed. He's now in
chicago for the mere pittance of Kyle Orton two #1's and a third...


yes, a lot of minds have changed on here, including mine. I would have thought you were crazy if you said Orton and two 1st's, but boy was I wrong, we all were. But you know who wasn't? Coach McDaniels, so he can say to all of us, suck it.

azbroncfan
10-26-2009, 10:14 AM
Rememebr when Freak 6 posted that infamous "who would you trade Jay for" and like 90% of the clowns on here said "NOBODY". My how things have changed. He's now in
chicago for the mere pittance of Kyle Orton two #1's and a third...

I was looking for that thread but couldn't find it. There were a bunch of poster's that wouldn't of traded him for Manning or Brady let alone Brees.

Bronx33
10-26-2009, 10:16 AM
Simple question: were the 3 picks yesterday jays fault? i just got done watching all 3 and there is nobody to blame except jay there was one where he really should have thrown it away vs throwing it up for grabs the other two were just piss poor choices.

Interesting read

http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/1870590.aspx

Meck77
10-26-2009, 10:18 AM
yes, a lot of minds have changed on here, including mine. I would have thought you were crazy if you said Orton and two 1st's, but boy was I wrong, we all were. But you know who wasn't? Coach McDaniels, so he can say to all of us, suck it.

Please speak for yourself. Plenty of us were not impressed with Cutler as a QB ever since he replaced Jake Plummer.

Furthermore plenty of us called for the firing of Shanny when Cutler and co failed to make the playoffs after several embarrassing years.

Did we know Orton would come out this strong? Answer nobody did but those of us with level heads opted to trust in Pat Bowlen/Coach McD and wait for the season to start instead of crying like children.

Crushaholic
10-26-2009, 10:19 AM
Simple question: were the 3 picks yesterday jays fault? i just got done watching all 3 and there is nobody to blame except jay there was one where he really should have thrown it away vs throwing it up for grabs the other two were just piss poor choices.

One was deflected, so that wasn't necessarily his fault (except maybe throwing it in traffic). The other two were right to Bengals defenders. Either he made the wrong read or the receivers didn't run the correct route.

Traveler
10-26-2009, 10:21 AM
They have 3 losses, conceivably they could still go 13-3. Just like Denver could lose out and go 6-10 and Josh looks like an idiot for trading Denver's own pick.

Until Denver has clinched a spot in the playoffs and the Bears have been eliminated, the draft pick talk is way too premature.

Thank you!

Bronx33
10-26-2009, 10:23 AM
One was deflected, so that wasn't necessarily his fault (except maybe throwing it in traffic). The other two were right to Bengals defenders. Either he made the wrong read or the receivers didn't run the correct route.

The one that was deflected was thrown into triple coverage.

Peoples Champ
10-26-2009, 10:32 AM
Please speak for yourself. Plenty of us were not impressed with Cutler as a QB ever since he replaced Jake Plummer.

Furthermore plenty of us called for the firing of Shanny when Cutler and co failed to make the playoffs after several embarrassing years.

Did we know Orton would come out this strong? Answer nobody did but those of us with level heads opted to trust in Pat Bowlen/Coach McD and wait for the season to start instead of crying like children.


Your right, thats why I didnt say everyone. I will change it to "some of us" instead of "a lot of us"

Hulamau
10-26-2009, 10:35 AM
As if anyone gave a hoot what SoCal thinks.

Is he SPECIAL?

I expected SoCal to at least man up by now and take his medicine like a good sport. No one is going to rag him too hard ... Certainly no where near as hard he he jumped on Bowlen, Josh and Orton in any event. :peace:

rastaman
10-26-2009, 11:51 AM
I really can't blame any of us for hating Jay's guts and holding a grudge. He turned his back on us. He couldn't get outta town fast enough and left us behind without a care. I hope the engine of his career flames out and has the glide angle of a crowbar....

Culer was supposed to turn his back on the first team that drafted him b/c he made a business decision! What part don't you understand that the NFL is BUSINESS??? Teams and players will always make business decisions base upon whether player(s) or teams are the best fit for them career wise and both long and short term. Fans must realize this and not take the events of a team or player making decisions based on good business decisionsl.

What.......! Are you going to hate on Orton if he looks at his options and see who values him more in terms of salary btwn Denver or other teams? There ain't no loyalty btwn players and fans nor Owner and player nor player and owner. ITS A BUSINESS.

Paladin
10-26-2009, 11:53 AM
What? And being in Denver is not "good business?" What part of multimillionaire don't you understand?

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 11:58 AM
Culer was supposed to turn his back on the first team that drafted him b/c he made a business decision! What part don't you understand that the NFL is BUSINESS??? Teams and players will always make business decisions base upon whether player(s) or teams are the best fit for them career wise and both long and short term. Fans must realize this and not take the events of a team or player making decisions based on good business decisionsl.

What.......! Are you going to hate on Orton if he looks at his options and see who values him more in terms of salary btwn Denver or other teams? There ain't no loyalty btwn players and fans nor Owner and player nor player and owner. ITS A BUSINESS.

Business decision? Are you kidding? It was a smart business decision for Jay to force his way out of a situation where he had a top OL, talented WRs, a perennially strong running gaem, and one of the top young offensive minds in the game as a coach? For a chance to play behind a bad OL, bad WRs, a bad running game, and arcaic offensive mind in Ron Turner? Where's the good business in this?

It had nothing to do with business. He got his feelings hurt because his security blanky (Shanny/Bates) was shown the door and the team had the audacity to discuss trade scenarios involving him (which never became serious until he pitched a fit and didn't return his boss's calls). If it was a "business decision" on his part, then he is retarded in addition to being an immature crybaby.

Garcia Bronco
10-26-2009, 12:04 PM
then he is retarded in addition to being an immature crybaby.

I think that's all that needed to be said.

I'll say it. He's not a good quarterback and it's not even close. He has poor mechanics. Poor decision making skills. He has a poor attitude and poor leadership skills. Lastly, Cut-chise is an interception machine in the redzone. No other QB int he NFL even comes close to his redzone int's over the past 2 seasons(Cut-chise 7, next closest QB has 2)


We are lucky we got rid of him for as much as we did.

BroncoMan4ever
10-26-2009, 12:10 PM
I understand why people would feel like you but look at it this way. The Bears understand that Cutler will eventually hold out if he didn't get a new deal. In fact he would have probably held out to start next yr much like he did Denver.

The Bears IMO figured lets try and make him happy now so we don't have to deal with it later. They have no leverage because they gave up all the picks for him, they have to justify that by signing him long terms and avoiding a holdout.

Had it ended in a hold out the people of Chicago would probably have turned on Cutler and the management of the Bears would be looking foolish.

i understand that, but he hasn't done anything at all to warrant the money. it isn't like next season he could hold out and be operating from a position of power, acting like he just put in a great QB season and because of that wants to get paid. at the rate he is playing he isn't even the best QB in his division let alone a top QB in the NFC. he had no leverage in asking for a new deal or more money in the offseason. Chicago just blindly threw more money at him based on potential alone, instead of just having him for at least 1 more season on a cheap deal.

Gort
10-26-2009, 12:16 PM
Culer was supposed to turn his back on the first team that drafted him b/c he made a business decision! What part don't you understand that the NFL is BUSINESS??? Teams and players will always make business decisions base upon whether player(s) or teams are the best fit for them career wise and both long and short term. Fans must realize this and not take the events of a team or player making decisions based on good business decisionsl.

What.......! Are you going to hate on Orton if he looks at his options and see who values him more in terms of salary btwn Denver or other teams? There ain't no loyalty btwn players and fans nor Owner and player nor player and owner. ITS A BUSINESS.

Cutler was under contract. he wasn't a free agent. he adopted the petulant attitude that things were going to be done his way or he wasn't going to show up over the summer for the voluntary practices. the larger unspoken threat was that he might holdout and not show up for the mandatory practices. that's what Bowlen and McD couldn't risk. when Bowlen decided that he'd had enough of Jay's insults, the impetus was there to move and resolve the problem BEFORE the draft.

this was not Cutler playing the game by the same rules as everyone else. this was Cutler and agent thinking they were above the rules. F him.

Peoples Champ
10-26-2009, 12:17 PM
Business decision? Are you kidding? It was a smart business decision for Jay to force his way out of a situation where he had a top OL, talented WRs, a perennially strong running gaem, and one of the top young offensive minds in the game as a coach? For a chance to play behind a bad OL, bad WRs, a bad running game, and arcaic offensive mind in Ron Turner? Where's the good business in this?

It had nothing to do with business. He got his feelings hurt because his security blanky (Shanny/Bates) was shown the door and the team had the audacity to discuss trade scenarios involving him (which never became serious until he pitched a fit and didn't return his boss's calls). If it was a "business decision" on his part, then he is retarded in addition to being an immature crybaby.


Ya

I dont think it was a business decision either. Its not like he wasnt returning Pat Bowlens phone calls because of a contract hold out, he wasnt returning Bowlens phone calls because there were "trade rumors". And he thought he was too good to be traded. This is a ego/baby attitute by Jay.

Brandon Marshall : Business problem, contract issues
Jay Cutler : attitude problem, baby issues

Thats the difference of a business issue.

Peoples Champ
10-26-2009, 12:22 PM
What.......! Are you going to hate on Orton if he looks at his options and see who values him more in terms of salary btwn Denver or other teams? There ain't no loyalty btwn players and fans nor Owner and player nor player and owner. ITS A BUSINESS.


Yes, I would not like Orton if Orton wouldnt return McDaniels/Bowlen's phone calls after there were "trade rumors" of Orton.

If Orton went back to Purdue in the offseason and acted like a baby in the offseason, and threw a fit. Then I would too be saying "Get rid of Orton" no matter how good he did, pro bowl or no probowl.

NYBronc
10-26-2009, 12:58 PM
Simple question: were the 3 picks yesterday jays fault? i just got done watching all 3 and there is nobody to blame except jay there was one where he really should have thrown it away vs throwing it up for grabs the other two were just piss poor choices.

Interesting read

http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/1870590.aspx

Nice



oh yeah its pretty bad. you want to know how bad it is?

1. delhomme 13 ints
2. cutler 10 ints
2. sanchez 10 ints (rookie and had a 5 int game)
4. collins 8 ints
4. johnson 8 ints
4. russell 8 ints

this is quite arguably the worst qb's in the league and cutler is associated with them. this is not bad. this is beyond horrible.

Popps
10-26-2009, 01:08 PM
But dude, he's a gunslinger!!

fontaine
10-26-2009, 01:15 PM
Cutler could have been awesome in this offense with McDaniels. I have no doubt that McD would have been great for Cutler the same way he has been great for Orton and right now we would be mowing down teams.

I'm sure Cutler realizes that and some day when he finally grows up he'll realize he pretty much shot himself in the foot being such an a$$ here in Denver. Beef with McD aside, the way he disrespected Bowlen pretty much showed what a classless idiot he is.

Unless someone gets a hold of him and makes him be more disciplined with better mechanics and so on he's quickly going down the road of being another wasted talent.

broncswin
10-26-2009, 01:46 PM
Cutler lacks HEART, Leadership and that special god given ability to wanna win(see ELWAY) the guy has a ton of ability, but no drive to use it to his full potential...I almost feel bad for Bears fans right now, because it take a little while to realize this shinny new toy has a lot of flaws...maybe someday he will become a good qb, but he will never be FRANCHISE...it use to f-ing piss me off to see him sulking on the bench, or standing away from the rest of the team hanging on to his shoulder pads when things didn't go his way...that a$$hole should've been getting shiat figured out with his O, but instead wanted to pout...F-HIM!!

Archer81
10-26-2009, 01:53 PM
Its not Jay's fault because:

1. The beetus was actin up.
2. The color blue makes his ass look fat.
3. Oprah called, and wanted him on tv.
4. His mom told him recently about his real father, Broncobuff.
5. His jock was riding up.
6. He had a fight with his BF.
7. Olsen found out about the BF.
8. Had too many bananas at breakfast.
9. He was struck by the microcasm that is life and football...
10. He wanted to know if Mary had a little lamb...

:Broncos:

11. PMS
12. Doctor discovered his brain is smooth, which may account for his lack of decision making ability.
13. He tivo'd mama mia
14. He realized when he turns sideways into the wind, he can hear a whistling sound.
15. He confused Carson and Jordan Palmer, and was trying to think of a way to say sorry.
16. He has an SNL skit song "like a boss" stuck in his head
17. He was confused by his attraction to buffalo bill in Silence of the Lambs
18. He realized he can afford a chin with the new money from his extension...
19. He was curious how exactly do they get that delicious filling into pie
20. He was too busy listening to G-Reg and the 7th Floor rap song

:Broncos:

errand
10-26-2009, 01:58 PM
How can he not be on the same page with his receivers? They've had months together.

Sanchez, a rookie, didn't seem to have much trouble hooking up with Braylon Edwards just days after the Jets acquired him.

What a crock of ****.

..odd that you'd compare Jay to yet another QB that has thrown double digit INT's this season

errand
10-26-2009, 02:01 PM
I was looking for that thread but couldn't find it. There were a bunch of poster's that wouldn't of traded him for Manning or Brady let alone Brees.

I know right? And what is even funnier was freak6, arguably the biggest "Gay fo' Jay" guy on here, said he'd consider trading him for Carson Palmer if not for Palmer's knee injury....but he'd never trade him for Brady or Manning. Go figure....

BTW, where's freak6 at nowadays?

Peoples Champ
10-26-2009, 02:03 PM
If he just had 10% of this:

http://blitzmagonline.com/userfiles/image/tebow%20heisman.jpg


He would be a great QB, but your right, no heart/leadership/passion.

Archer81
10-26-2009, 02:04 PM
If he just had 10% of this:

http://blitzmagonline.com/userfiles/image/tebow%20heisman.jpg


He would be a great QB, but your right, no heart/leadership/passion.


If that pic had a sword and a human head in his hands...it would be an epic pic.

Conklin, thoughts?

:Broncos:

Peoples Champ
10-26-2009, 02:06 PM
I was looking for that thread but couldn't find it. There were a bunch of poster's that wouldn't of traded him for Manning or Brady let alone Brees.

2 years ago I definately thought he had the potential to be up there with the Brees of the NFL. But after last year when he got worse and not better , mix that with his attitude and I was off the bandwagon. But I admit I was a bandwagoner.

NYBronco
10-26-2009, 02:09 PM
Jay just continues to confirm to me the trade for Orton was well worth it. And Orton is doing his part to confirm it as well.

Dedhed
10-26-2009, 02:24 PM
One was deflected, so that wasn't necessarily his fault (except maybe throwing it in traffic). The other two were right to Bengals defenders. Either he made the wrong read or the receivers didn't run the correct route.

Or, if you actually watched he threw the fade away pass and the ball sailed twenty feet wide of the target (who was triple covered, btw) and straight to the safety.

Peoples Champ
10-26-2009, 02:27 PM
Or, if you actually watched he threw the fade away pass and the ball sailed twenty feet wide of the target (who was triple covered, btw) and straight to the safety.

And we forgot about the dropped shotgun snaps. Announcers kept saying, "they might be a little low, but he has to come up with that ball"

azbroncfan
10-26-2009, 02:35 PM
Culer was supposed to turn his back on the first team that drafted him b/c he made a business decision! What part don't you understand that the NFL is BUSINESS??? Teams and players will always make business decisions base upon whether player(s) or teams are the best fit for them career wise and both long and short term. Fans must realize this and not take the events of a team or player making decisions based on good business decisionsl.

What.......! Are you going to hate on Orton if he looks at his options and see who values him more in terms of salary btwn Denver or other teams? There ain't no loyalty btwn players and fans nor Owner and player nor player and owner. ITS A BUSINESS.

I swear I lose 10 IQ pts with everyone of your Cutler defending logic posts.

bombay
10-26-2009, 02:39 PM
Lots of ruckus about some sub-.500 qb.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 04:15 PM
What? And being in Denver is not "good business?" What part of multimillionaire don't you understand?

I understand that in Chicago the indorsement potential is greater there than in Denver along with the multimillionaire status for Cutler. Indorsements are Business decisions are they not?

Broncomutt
10-26-2009, 04:19 PM
I understand that in Chicago the indorsement potential is greater there than in Denver along with the multimillionaire status for Cutler. Indorsements are Business decisions are they not?

Wow...reduced to "indorsement" smack Ratsa?

rastaman
10-26-2009, 04:24 PM
Cutler was under contract. he wasn't a free agent. he adopted the petulant attitude that things were going to be done his way or he wasn't going to show up over the summer for the voluntary practices. the larger unspoken threat was that he might holdout and not show up for the mandatory practices. that's what Bowlen and McD couldn't risk. when Bowlen decided that he'd had enough of Jay's insults, the impetus was there to move and resolve the problem BEFORE the draft.

this was not Cutler playing the game by the same rules as everyone else. this was Cutler and agent thinking they were above the rules. F him.

Contracts aren't etched in stone and except for the Signing Bonuses they aren't guaranteed in the NFL. Remember, once McD was proven to be a Liar thats when the problems started!

Now, during their last meeting, McD chose the hard line method to prove who was in charge and it back fired on him. Not only did he lie to Cutler at first about tying to trade for Cassel, rather than aplogizing for lying, he told Cutler, he could entertain talks considerations for trading Cutler so long as he was the HC!

Nothing wrong with that approach.....just understand that they're are possible repercussions with that type of attitude. I guess Cutler should McD.....that he to could weigh his options as well so he seeked getting traded to a team that would value his services more than McD and Bowlen would have. No big deal.....ITS A BUSINESS!!!

Peoples Champ
10-26-2009, 04:30 PM
Contracts aren't etched in stone and except for the Signing Bonuses they aren't guaranteed in the NFL. Remember, once McD was proven to be a Liar thats when the problems started!

Now, during their last meeting, McD chose the hard line method to prove who was in charge and it back fired on him. Not only did he lie to Cutler at first about tying to trade for Cassel, rather than aplogizing for lying, he told Cutler, he could entertain talks considerations for trading Cutler so long as he was the HC!

Nothing wrong with that approach.....just understand that they're are possible repercussions with that type of attitude. I guess Cutler should McD.....that he to could weigh his options as well so he seeked getting traded to a team that would value his services more than McD and Bowlen would have. No big deal.....ITS A BUSINESS!!!


Bowlen / Broncos / McDaniels made a BUSINESS decision. Cutler made a @ 2 YEAR OLD decision.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 04:32 PM
Yes, I would not like Orton if Orton wouldnt return McDaniels/Bowlen's phone calls after there were "trade rumors" of Orton.

If Orton went back to Purdue in the offseason and acted like a baby in the offseason, and threw a fit. Then I would too be saying "Get rid of Orton" no matter how good he did, pro bowl or no probowl.

Orton could return Bowlen's call....sure why not! But if Orton perceives that Bowlen and McD are not bargaining in good faith and are under cutting his value during next seasons FA period, Orton may not return Bowlen's call either. Next years contract extention talks with Orton will be really interesting as well. Orton will be required to chose btwn winning or going for the money. If Denver doesn't try to low ball Orton, chances are Orton resigns. However, if other teams bid for his services as well, he maybe smart enough to realize that the BIG pad day opportunities only come around once in a life time.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 04:35 PM
Bowlen / Broncos / McDaniels made a BUSINESS decision. Cutler made a @ 2 YEAR OLD decision.

Looks like Cutler just got a 4 year old contract extenstion and went to one of the biggest media markets in the nation. Not a bad business decision for Cutler so far from a monetary stand point. Cutler will also be in his prime when his first contract is over in Chicago 4 years from now.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 04:37 PM
I swear I lose 10 IQ pts with everyone of your Cutler defending logic posts.

Naw AZ, your dwindling IQ production is more DNA-Genetics related. Sorry!:sunshine:

Darwin was right.:approve:

rastaman
10-26-2009, 04:39 PM
Look familiar?

<IMG SRC="http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2009-10/50073656.jpg">

Hey dude!....Leave Cutler alone----He's in deep thought. :rofl:

OABB
10-26-2009, 04:39 PM
Naw AZ, your dwindling IQ production is more DNA-Genetics related. Sorry!:sunshine:

Darwin was right.:approve:

nah...If Darwin was right, you'd be a wet sponge.

steeledude
10-26-2009, 04:48 PM
Hey dude!....Leave Cutler alone----He's in deep thought. :rofl:

I don't understand. He was at the receiving end of a butt whipping. What should he be doing? Smiling? I don't see any other QB in the league acting any different under those circumstances.

Cutler is the man, in my opinion, and there are a million reasons he couldn't win last night. He had no time behind a crappy o-line, he has no true WR threat, I don't know where Forte went but he's gone, and the defense has turned into a joke. On top of that the further behind they got the more out of control he got. That said, Cutler was pissed and forced his way out of town (which I'm fine with), but had he stayed a number of those problems I just listed wouldn't be problems. He had a great o-line here, great wide receivers, and potentially a great running game.

He would have been very successful here, but he made his decision. He is in deep water in Chicago now, which I never would have predicted. He's got one way out of this and that's to put his nose to the grindstone and start working hard. He has the smarts to do it, but he can't win off physical talent alone. He has to become a student of the game.

The million dollar question about Cutler is will he learn to change his attitude (which does suck), or will he be the type of person who makes the same mistakes over and over again? He has a couple years to sort this out, but that's not a whole lot of time.

NYBronco
10-26-2009, 04:52 PM
Hey dude!....Leave Cutler alone----He's in deep thought. :rofl:

He's reading his new contract to find if he can find a way out. He's not to happy because he finds out Chicago has every right to talk to other QB's in a "what's good for the business" sort of way... as in no loyalty to a failing player.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 04:55 PM
nah...If Darwin was right, you'd be a wet sponge.

Naw.....if Darwin was right, you'd be a large steaming mound of dinosaur dung.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 04:59 PM
He's reading his new contract to find if he can find a way out. He's not to happy because he finds out Chicago has every right to talk to other QB's in a "what's good for the business" sort of way... as in no loyalty to a failing player.

Well Cutler proved as far as contracts were concerned that anything written on paper can be torn up and done over!!! Management and owners only thought they had all the power. Cutler proved he could do the same thing McDaniel's could do! ENTERTAIN TRADE CONSIDERATIONS. Who would have ever thunked it.8')

NYBronco
10-26-2009, 05:02 PM
Well Cutler proved as far as contracts were concerned that anything written on paper can be torn up and done over!!! Management and owners only thought they had all the power. Cutler proved he could do the same thing McDaniel's could do! ENTERTAIN TRADE CONSIDERATIONS. Who would have ever thunked it.8')

McD has done very well for the Bronco organization. Cutler not so much... but it not his fault*.

*Heavy dose of sarcasm.

Meck77
10-26-2009, 05:11 PM
This reminds me of the old Brian Griese threads we use to have here. Excuses! Excuses!

TDmvp
10-26-2009, 05:14 PM
This reminds me of the old Brian Griese threads we use to have here. Excuses! Excuses!

Pork Chop, Pork Chop. Greasy, Greasy. We beat your team, Fing easy easy. WHOOO Go Wombats!

Circle Orange
10-26-2009, 05:22 PM
Yep. When all this went down I said Jay better win because those Chicago fans will only wait about 2 yrs for a Superbowl, then totally turn on him. Same with the media in Chicago. It won't get too bad this yr, still plenty other players too blame and pass buck to. Just wait though its going to get good.

Oh, they're already in line ready to slice him up...out of amusement I tried to check out the bears message boards. They were so busy, the servers kept locking up. After a few hours I broke through and read comments. Stuff about the coaches and players all needing to go, the defensive scheme being stale, the O line sucking, etc. A few insults to broncos fans for trolling, and pleas to take Cutler back. ROFL! LOL

Buyer beware. You bought the hype, not the goods. *snickers*

Popps
10-26-2009, 05:24 PM
This reminds me of the old Brian Griese threads we use to have here. Excuses! Excuses!

Yea, seems like just yesterday I had people telling me there was no difference between Griese and Tom Brady.

Then, the excuses kicked in. When he left, I looked for someone to bet me that he couldn't hold a starting gig for a full season again. Couldn't find any takers. A few years later, he's a 3rd stringer and then out of the league.

Cutler won't wind up out of the league, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him have a Terrell Owens type career, only with worse stats and probably less playoff appearances, given he's (in theory) the leader of the offense.

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 05:32 PM
Yea, seems like just yesterday I had people telling me there was no difference between Griese and Tom Brady.

Then, the excuses kicked in. When he left, I looked for someone to bet me that he couldn't hold a starting gig for a full season again. Couldn't find any takers. A few years later, he's a 3rd stringer and then out of the league.

Speaking of Griese, anybody hear him in the booth yet? He's calling college football games. He called the Miami-Clemson game over the weekend. Let's just say he wasn't his old man behind center, and he ain't his old man behind the mike either.

HAT
10-26-2009, 05:35 PM
Now, during their last meeting, McD chose the hard line method to prove who was in charge and it back fired on him.

:giggle:

BroncoInferno
10-26-2009, 05:57 PM
Now, during their last meeting, McD chose the hard line method to prove who was in charge and it back fired on him.

It back fired on someone, but it wasn't McDaniels.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 06:07 PM
McD has done very well for the Bronco organization. Cutler not so much... but it not his fault*.

*Heavy dose of sarcasm.

Well we can both admit its a bit early to decide who the winner 6 games doesnt make a season and one season doesn't make a career for a coach or player.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 06:09 PM
It back fired on someone, but it wasn't McDaniels.

I'd say its too early to tell. It will take several seasons to decide.

BroncoMatt
10-26-2009, 06:40 PM
jumping in late to the conversation but as far as letting go, this is the orangemane where it is still SOB's fault. Nothing is ever let go

baja
10-26-2009, 06:52 PM
Well Cutler proved as far as contracts were concerned that anything written on paper can be torn up and done over!!! Management and owners only thought they had all the power. Cutler proved he could do the same thing McDaniel's could do! ENTERTAIN TRADE CONSIDERATIONS. Who would have ever thunked it.8')

If Bowlen & McD wanted Cutler here he would be here. Cutler had a contract with 3 years left on it he had zero leverage he was not wanted here and with good reason.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 07:06 PM
If Bowlen & McD wanted Cutler here he would be here. Cutler had a contract with 3 years left on it he had zero leverage he was not wanted here and with good reason.

Cutler had plenty of Leverage.....how do you think he got traded! Not to mention, he has youth and talent on his size for now. Cutler got Bowlen and McDaniels to blink first.

Steve Sewell
10-26-2009, 07:13 PM
Personally I let it go the minute we stole Orton, two 1sts, and a 3rd from Chicago for Cutler and a 5th.

I love watching our pick improve, though I do feel some sympathy for Cutler. He's just immature and hasn't had the reality checks needed along the way, he's not a bad person or anything.

My stance all along has been that I hope Chicago finishes in the 6-10 to 8-8 range so we can get a 8-15 pick, then Lovie gets fired, Shanahan gets hired, and he makes the right moves to bring in the right people (not Slowik obviously).

I don't think it'll happen like that, unfortunately. I could see Chicago going 6-10 to 8-8, sure, but even if they do manage to sign Shanahan I think he'd still drag Slowik and a lot of his legacy bull**** with him to Chicago. Tommie Harris and Brian Urlacher are both getting older and neither one is getting healthier with time. If Shanahan goes to Chicago he's going to find himself trying to rebuild a defense again, and he's never shown the ability to do that from the ground up.

ROFL at people thinking Shanahan would enter into a situation where he'd have to coexist with Jerry Angelo, or the GM from San Diego for that matter.

baja
10-26-2009, 07:29 PM
Cutler had plenty of Leverage.....how do you think he got traded! Not to mention, he has youth and talent on his size for now. Cutler got Bowlen and McDaniels to blink first.

How? He had three years left on his contract. The only way Cutler gets traded is if Bowlen & McD want him gone period.

Archer81
10-26-2009, 07:31 PM
Cutler had plenty of Leverage.....how do you think he got traded! Not to mention, he has youth and talent on his size for now. Cutler got Bowlen and McDaniels to blink first.


No. Honestly McDaniels would have kept Jay on the roster, fining him for not showing to mandatory team functions (like Marshall) until 1. Cutler is broke, or 2. He put on the big boy pants and came back to work.

Why you defend a player that is NOT a Bronco anymore is amazing to me.

Its ok, you can let out the anger.

:Broncos:

RMT
10-26-2009, 07:43 PM
Well we can both admit its a bit early to decide who the winner 6 games doesnt make a season and one season doesn't make a career for a coach or player.

apparently, the bears thot a 3-3 record was enough to secure cutler's services for an additional two years - nothing like commitment to mediocrity.

all cutler's done where he's gone is cultivate a sub-0.500 record while orton's continued to win.

say all you want about which QB is on the team with the better defense but one thing is for certain, cutler is a cancer and orton is a leader. and orton is a proven winner while cutler has done little, if anything, to dispel his reputation as a petulant whiner full of excuses and taking little responsibility. if he were a TRUE "franchise QB" (which he is NOT) then he could singlehandedly win games ON HIS OWN ... when has he ever done that?

rastaman
10-26-2009, 08:02 PM
No. Honestly McDaniels would have kept Jay on the roster, fining him for not showing to mandatory team functions (like Marshall) until 1. Cutler is broke, or 2. He put on the big boy pants and came back to work.

Why you defend a player that is NOT a Bronco anymore is amazing to me.

Its ok, you can let out the anger.

:Broncos:

So why didn't McDaniels stick to his guns! Why did he and Bowlen trade Cutler in the end? The truth is, McD and Bowlen would not have been able to withstand the negative publicity publicly and the division in the locker room. Bowlen didn't trade Cutler b/c Cutler didn't return his calls.

Both Bowlen and McDaniels knew they couldn't have disgruntled star QB on the roster who no longer wanted to be there. Cutler put on his big pants and went to play for another team. Deep down both Bowlen, McDaniels, and Cutler knew that irreparable damage had already been down and it was time to move on.

As far as you and many like you who don't understand how fans can defend players who are no longer Broncos......lets just say as a fan I've come full circle as to what a fan is all about. I've been watching the NFL since 1971 and I've been a Bronco fan since 1977. I've read plenty of player auto-biography over the last 38 years and have come to find out that players make the NFL what it is.

The players play with the most risk and have the shortest period of time to play this game. Its the owners and HC's who have had the power and use it to their advantage far to often at the expense of the players. I could never understand how fans could be so pro-management at the expense of the players----but hey, to each his own. I'm on the side of the players.

Always have been and I'll continue to do so even if the player is no longer a Bronco. Its all about staying consistent. Remember! Players make the NFL and bring fans into the stadium.

rastaman
10-26-2009, 08:05 PM
apparently, the bears thot a 3-3 record was enough for secure cutler's services for an additional two years - nothing like commitment to mediocrity.

all cutler's done where he's gone is cultivate a sub-0.500 record while orton's continued to win.

say all you want about which QB is on the team with the better defense but one thing is for certain, cutler is a cancer and orton is a leader. and orton is a proven winner while cutler has done little, if anything, to dispel his reputation as a petulant whiner full of excuses and taking little responsibility. if he were a TRUE "franchise QB" (which he is NOT) then he could singlehandedly win games ON HIS OWN ... when has he ever done that?

The Bears are commited to winning with Cutler. They are on a 2-4 year plan to turn the Bears back to the Monsters of the Midway. Cutler has no other joice but to prove the Chicago didn't make a mistake. Once the Bears surrounds Cutler with an infrastructure necessary with all the parts in key areas, Cutler will prove he wasn't a mistake. You watch and see.

RMT
10-26-2009, 08:08 PM
So why didn't McDaniels stick to his guns! Why did he and Bowlen trade Cutler in the end? The truth is, McD and Bowlen would not have been able to withstand the negative publicity publicly and the division in the locker room. Bowlen didn't trade Cutler b/c Cutler didn't return his calls.

Both Bowlen and McDaniels knew they couldn't have disgruntled star QB on the roster who no longer wanted to be there. Cutler put on his big pants and went to play for another team. Deep down both Bowlen, McDaniels, and Cutler knew that irreparable damage had already been down and it was time to move on.

As far as you and many like you who don't understand how fans can defend players who are no longer Broncos......lets just say as a fan I've come full circle as to what a fan is all about. I've been watching the NFL since 1971 and I've been a Bronco fan since 1977. I've read plenty of player auto-biography over the last 38 years and have come to find out that players make the NFL what it is.

The players play with the most risk and have the shortest period of time to play this game. Its the owners and HC's who have had the power and use it to their advantage far to often at the expense of the players. I could never understand how fans could be so pro-management at the expense of the players----but hey, to each his own. I'm on the side of the players.

Always have been and I'll continue to do so even if the player is no longer a Bronco. Its all about staying consistent. Remember! Players make the NFL and bring fans into the stadium.

Bowlen's had to deal with 2 instances of acrimonious QB/head coach relationships ... and got rid of the right individual both times ... reeves and then cutler.

the problem after firing reeves was hiring wade phillips but he paved the way for shanahan to return and lead the Broncos (along with Elway) to 2 Super Bowl victories. cutler is no franchise QB. he is nowhere near as good as HE thinks he is. he can't carry a team like Elway could. few QBs can but when cutler put it out there that he had a better arm than Elway, he opened himself up to comparisons and criticism that perhaps is unwarranted but he brought that on himself. he has only himself to blame for that.

baja
10-26-2009, 08:08 PM
<b>So why didn't McDaniels stick to his guns! Why did he and Bowlen trade Cutler in the end? </b> The truth is, McD and Bowlen would not have been able to withstand the negative publicity publicly and the division in the locker room. Bowlen didn't trade Cutler b/c Cutler didn't return his calls.

Both Bowlen and McDaniels knew they couldn't have disgruntled star QB on the roster who no longer wanted to be there. Cutler put on his big pants and went to play for another team. Deep down both Bowlen, McDaniels, and Cutler knew that irreparable damage had already been down and it was time to move on.

As far as you and many like you who don't understand how fans can defend players who are no longer Broncos......lets just say as a fan I've come full circle as to what a fan is all about. I've been watching the NFL since 1971 and I've been a Bronco fan since 1977. I've read plenty of player auto-biography over the last 38 years and have come to find out that players make the NFL what it is.

The players play with the most risk and have the shortest period of time to play this game. Its the owners and HC's who have had the power and use it to their advantage far to often at the expense of the players. I could never understand how fans could be so pro-management at the expense of the players----but hey, to each his own. I'm on the side of the players.

Always have been and I'll continue to do so even if the player is no longer a Bronco. Its all about staying consistent. Remember! Players make the NFL and bring fans into the stadium.

I'll answer that. They planned all along to trade Cutler but they had to appear not over anxious to dump him so as to maximize his value. Truth be told they played the whole event masterfully.

Archer81
10-26-2009, 08:18 PM
So why didn't McDaniels stick to his guns! Why did he and Bowlen trade Cutler in the end? The truth is, McD and Bowlen would not have been able to withstand the negative publicity publicly and the division in the locker room. Bowlen didn't trade Cutler b/c Cutler didn't return his calls.

Both Bowlen and McDaniels knew they couldn't have disgruntled star QB on the roster who no longer wanted to be there. Cutler put on his big pants and went to play for another team. Deep down both Bowlen, McDaniels, and Cutler knew that irreparable damage had already been down and it was time to move on.

As far as you and many like you who don't understand how fans can defend players who are no longer Broncos......lets just say as a fan I've come full circle as to what a fan is all about. I've been watching the NFL since 1971 and I've been a Bronco fan since 1977. I've read plenty of player auto-biography over the last 38 years and have come to find out that players make the NFL what it is.

The players play with the most risk and have the shortest period of time to play this game. Its the owners and HC's who have had the power and use it to their advantage far to often at the expense of the players. I could never understand how fans could be so pro-management at the expense of the players----but hey, to each his own. I'm on the side of the players.

Always have been and I'll continue to do so even if the player is no longer a Bronco. Its all about staying consistent. Remember! Players make the NFL and bring fans into the stadium.


WTF are you babbling about? I am a fan of the TEAM. Players come and go, and always have.I dont care what Jay Cutler is doing, he is not a Bronco, by his own actions. That was the subject of our discussion, your obsession with a former Bronco player who was not as good as his talent said he should be, and had the attitude of a ****ing child. The impression you get from Cutler is he is a bitch. He bitched when Shanahan was fired, he bitched when Bates was fired, he bitched when McDaniels criticized his mechanics and decision making, and doubly bitched when the new coach was not impressed with "the franchise" lack of good mechanics, decision making and inability to attatch to the team concept, and started exploring trades for someone he knew would. Stay the **** on topic. Spinning off into a "fan of the players" monologue was supposed to make me what? Slow clap? ****tard.

:Broncos:

tsiguy96
10-26-2009, 08:26 PM
rastaman get over it, for the love of god hes gone and hes never coming back, and this 6-0 team is better because of it. how you cannot get behind a 6-0 team is amazing, thought even you would get back on the bandwagon.

DarkHorse30
10-26-2009, 08:42 PM
It's not going away until the season is over. Cutler for Orton is the highest profile trade in the history of the Denver Broncos franchise, just above Portis for Champ.

After watching Portis tonight, I have to say we struck gold in that trade.

Amazing how much talent on both sides of the ball that the 'skins have......but no game. Shanahan would destroy the east with those players (except the QB - that guy is REALLY bad)

Missouribronc
10-26-2009, 08:44 PM
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/jeff%20george.jpg

watermock
10-26-2009, 08:48 PM
I'll answer that. They planned all along to trade Cutler but they had to appear not over anxious to dump him so as to maximize his value. Truth be told they played the whole event masterfully.

wow. who knew

RMT
10-26-2009, 08:48 PM
The Bears are commited to winning with Cutler. They are on a 2-4 year plan to turn the Bears back to the Monsters of the Midway. Cutler has no other joice but to prove the Chicago didn't make a mistake. Once the Bears surrounds Cutler with an infrastructure necessary with all the parts in key areas, Cutler will prove he wasn't a mistake. You watch and see.

with no picks in the early rounds of next year's draft? they better have a good FA plan. maybe a 3rd/4th place schedule next year will help but then again the bears had the easiest schedule in the NFL based on last year's records and they are off to a 3-3 record thus far.

bombay
10-26-2009, 08:48 PM
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/jeff%20george.jpg

I remember that guy. Jay George, right?

Missouribronc
10-26-2009, 08:49 PM
I remember that guy. Jay George, right?

Jeff, but who's counting?

baja
10-26-2009, 08:54 PM
wow. who knew

Hey when you spend a day at sea fishing with a guy things get revealed.

Shanny didn't lose his job because he refused to fire Slowik but because he drafted jay instead of making a run with Plummer in 06 like Bowlen wanted and when Jay showed to be a royal dick and could not win one game out of three with the playoffs on the line Bowlen had had enough.

Circle Orange
10-27-2009, 05:41 AM
Bowlen's had to deal with 2 instances of acrimonious QB/head coach relationships ... and got rid of the right individual both times ... reeves and then cutler.

the problem after firing reeves was hiring wade phillips but he paved the way for shanahan to return and lead the Broncos (along with Elway) to 2 Super Bowl victories. cutler is no franchise QB. he is nowhere near as good as HE thinks he is. he can't carry a team like Elway could. few QBs can but when cutler put it out there that he had a better arm than Elway, he opened himself up to comparisons and criticism that perhaps is unwarranted but he brought that on himself. he has only himself to blame for that.

I think Cutler got more mileage out of that statement than anything he's done on the field.

Circle Orange
10-27-2009, 05:42 AM
I remember that guy. Jay George, right?

My hero. I just want to rip him naked.


"Leadership is overrated." -Jeff George

azbroncfan
10-27-2009, 10:50 AM
Hey when you spend a day at sea fishing with a guy things get revealed.

Shanny didn't lose his job because he refused to fire Slowik but because he drafted jay instead of making a run with Plummer in 06 like Bowlen wanted and when Jay showed to be a royal dick and could not win one game out of three with the playoffs on the line Bowlen had had enough.

Who did you fish with? Shanny?

rastaman
10-27-2009, 01:06 PM
rastaman get over it, for the love of god hes gone and hes never coming back, and this 6-0 team is better because of it. how you cannot get behind a 6-0 team is amazing, thought even you would get back on the bandwagon.

Tsiguy.....I'm glad we are 6-0 as well. However, where we split company is the hate and ill will some fans have Cutler and possilbe even Shanahan where ever Mike ends up coaching. This lunacy of you aren't a fan if you don't blindly back/follow the owner and head coach you are not worthy as fan is pure stupidity and immature at best.

Take a deep breathe and relax why don'tcha. I will continue to wish Cutler the best of luck and hope he enjoys pro bowls and SB's. I'll wish the same for Shanahan as well. I hope Brandon Marshall all the luck, hope he gets paid that big top 5 WR contract, and he enjoys trips to the pro bowl and several SB rings.

I'm a band wagon fan of the players FIRST b/c they take all the risks to their health both short and long term. Owners will always make out just fine.....they don't need my support they have a 30-40 year window to make their money whereas players have 3-12 years.

Life is too short to spend your hating. Peace My Brotha!

NYBronco
10-27-2009, 01:50 PM
Well we can both admit its a bit early to decide who the winner 6 games doesnt make a season and one season doesn't make a career for a coach or player.

zowie! What an eye opening statement. I do like the chances of those with the 6 and 0.

I expected more from the franchise as compared to a rookie young coach after losing his franchise QB... so much more.

GreatBronco16
10-27-2009, 02:07 PM
Tsiguy.....I'm glad we are 6-0 as well. However, where we split company is the hate and ill will some fans have Cutler and possilbe even Shanahan where ever Mike ends up coaching. This lunacy of you aren't a fan if you don't blindly back/follow the owner and head coach you are not worthy as fan is pure stupidity and immature at best.

Take a deep breathe and relax why don'tcha. I will continue to wish Cutler the best of luck and hope he enjoys pro bowls and SB's. I'll wish the same for Shanahan as well. I hope Brandon Marshall all the luck, hope he gets paid that big top 5 WR contract, and he enjoys trips to the pro bowl and several SB rings.

I'm a band wagon fan of the players FIRST b/c they take all the risks to their health both short and long term. Owners will always make out just fine.....they don't need my support they have a 30-40 year window to make their money whereas players have 3-12 years.

Life is too short to spend your hating. Peace My Brotha!


So you're not a team first kinda guy, you're a player first kinda guy that could care less about the team.

Gotcha.:thumbsup:

Peoples Champ
10-27-2009, 02:09 PM
So you're not a team first kinda guy, you're a player first kinda guy that could care less about the team.

Gotcha.:thumbsup:


I would be a player first guy if my best friend was in the NFL and he gave me a $500,000 a year allowance to be in his entourage. Then I would care less what team he played for.

Meck77
10-27-2009, 02:12 PM
WTF are you people babbling about. We're 6-0. We wouldn't have been 6-0 with Cutler.

GreatBronco16
10-27-2009, 02:16 PM
WTF are you people babbling about. We're 6-0. We wouldn't have been 6-0 with Cutler.

Most of us know this. The other few people though.......well.......lets just say they are still hurting.

anon
10-27-2009, 02:34 PM
So why didn't McDaniels stick to his guns! Why did he and Bowlen trade Cutler in the end? The truth is, McD and Bowlen would not have been able to withstand the negative publicity publicly and the division in the locker room. Bowlen didn't trade Cutler b/c Cutler didn't return his calls.

I completely agree. And that is exactly why they traded Cutler. It's tough enough for a new, young head coach, no matter how brilliant, to establish himself. Who needs an immature, disgruntled starting quarterback poisoning the locker room and possibly stinking it up on the field?

I would guess that Bowlen's talent isn't so much football as it is he knows how to run an organization. He's doing exactly what a CEO is supposed to do: make tough decisions that help the Broncos achieve their goals.

I don't disagree about players needing to look out for themselves, but Cutler went about it the wrong way. I'm sure his timing was not an accident. But after all the upheaval of the off-season, Cutler and Bus Cook came off looking like they were preying on the relative state of chaos at Dove Valley. It didn't send the right message, and sharply opposed the team-first environment McD was trying to create.

Bowlen realized that something had to be done and made the tough decision.

I'm glad we are 6-0 as well. However, where we split company is the hate and ill will some fans have Cutler and possilbe even Shanahan where ever Mike ends up coaching. This lunacy of you aren't a fan if you don't blindly back/follow the owner and head coach you are not worthy as fan is pure stupidity and immature at best.

Actually, my agreement with the Cutler move has nothing to do with blind loyalty to the Broncos, or to McD, or to Bowlen. I simply thought it was a good move, given the circumstances presented. I'd imagine many here feel the same way. If the Broncos make what I feel to be a poor personnel move, I would be just as willing to speak out.


I'm a band wagon fan of the players FIRST b/c they take all the risks to their health both short and long term. Owners will always make out just fine.....they don't need my support they have a 30-40 year window to make their money whereas players have 3-12 years.

If you follow players and not teams, then that really explains everything and there's no point in banging heads with fans who follow teams, because we're simply on different wavelengths.

Again, this is not to say that players shouldn't look out for themselves, but the NFL has its customs and contracts. Contracts are often rewritten or extended or torn up for new deals based on performance, but that is a courtesy extended by the team and should not be expected. Even then, this is done usually only in extraordinary circumstances and for upstanding team members; and the frequency with which it's done varies greatly from team to team. Every player enters the NFL knows how it works. And even if he doesn't, his agent should educate him on how it works. The simple fact is that Cook and Cutler mistimed their money grab tactics horribly, the strategy backfired, and then Cutler exacerbated the situation with his behavior. The rest is history.

BTW, Cutler has still not proven he is/was worthy of the kind of deal he was seeking. I find it incredibly amusing that the excuse for Cutler apologists is that he doesn't have enough talent around him. While I think this would be an acceptable excuse for not winning a Super Bowl or winning in the playoffs (as it was for Elway, who still won in the playoffs despite not always taking the field with the best teams), we're just talking about winning, period. Cutler doesn't win. When will he be required to show his "franchise" qualities?

Peoples Champ
10-27-2009, 03:35 PM
If you follow players and not teams, then that really explains everything and there's no point in banging heads with fans who follow teams, because we're simply on different wavelengths.
?


Plus 1, ask Favre/Packer fans

rastaman
10-27-2009, 06:11 PM
Bowlen's had to deal with 2 instances of acrimonious QB/head coach relationships ... and got rid of the right individual both times ... reeves and then cutler.

the problem after firing reeves was hiring wade phillips but he paved the way for shanahan to return and lead the Broncos (along with Elway) to 2 Super Bowl victories. cutler is no franchise QB. he is nowhere near as good as HE thinks he is. he can't carry a team like Elway could. few QBs can but when cutler put it out there that he had a better arm than Elway, he opened himself up to comparisons and criticism that perhaps is unwarranted but he brought that on himself. he has only himself to blame for that.

Points well taken. When it came to Elway from 83-90, Joe Collier was the DC back then and he put to together some great Defensive teams. And although Elway didn't have great talent to speak of, the Defense kept the games close enough to allow John to make the comebacks and win games. It would have been very difficult for Elway to carry those mediocre Broncos teams had Collier's defenses allowed 27 to 30 points a game. I do agree with you that there was no quit, blame/finger pointing and sulking on the sidelines with Elway. He made the most of what he had perhaps more than any QB in NFL history. As for Cutler being just the opposite to a degree in terms of how he handles adversity when things aren't going according to plan, as well as his habit of throwing interceptions/decision making; Jay's going to have to show improvement for the remainder of the 10 games he has left to play this season.

Now lets take a closer look at both Cutler and Elway and compare their TD-INT and won-lost record their first 3 years as starting QB's. What you will find is the following:

Elway 83-85 won 27 - lost 13. TD's 47 - INT's 52

83 - TD's 7.....Int's 14 won 4 lost 6
84 - TD's 18...Int's 15 won 12 lost 2
85 - TD's 22...Int's 23 won 11 lost 5

Cutler 06-08 won 17 lost 20. TD's 54 - INT's 39

06 - TD's 9 Int's 5 won 2 lost 3
07 - TD's 20 Int's 14 won 7 lost 9
08 - TD's 25 Int's 18 won 8 lost 8

What glaringly stands out to me the are the number of interceptions both QB's had/have thrown early in their careers. And when you look at the win-loss records for both QB and their TD-INT ratio during their first 3 years it shows its really confusing and yet amazing. On the one hand, in 84, Elway threw 18 TD's and 15 Int's, yet he leads Denver to a 12-2 record! What that tells me is that Joe Collier (DC) must have had an absolute smoking-dominating Defense. The following year in 85, Elway threw 22 TD's and 23 Int's, and he leads Denver to a 11-5 record. Once again, it appears that Colliers defensive stinginess kept games close enough to allow Elway to post another winning season despite the fact of the lack of skilled offensive talent.

Point I'm trying to make here is that Qb's early in their careers who have faith in their arms and who possess howitzer arms are interception prone due to inexperience and the belief they can thread the needle anytime they want to. However, as we can all see, Elway had a stellar HOF career despite being interception prone.

Theres no proof the same can still happen to Cutler. A QB throwing a lot of interceptions doesn't say that they can never become winners. Elway managed to win over 147 games during his career yet his interceptions were fairly high, something like 225 plus out of 306 TD's over a 16 year career.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CutlJa00.htm

DarkHorse30
10-27-2009, 06:35 PM
Point I'm trying to make here is that Qb's early in their careers who have faith in their arms and who possess howitzer arms are interception prone due to inexperience and the belief they can thread the needle anytime they want to. However, as we can all see, Elway had a stellar HOF career despite being interception prone.

Theres no proof the same can still happen to Cutler. A QB throwing a lot of interceptions doesn't say that they can never become winners. Elway managed to win over 147 games during his career yet his interceptions were fairly high, something like 225 plus out of 306 TD's over a 16 year career.

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I think you just accidentally made my point.

But really, can you honestly look at Cutler and tell me the guy even wants to be there?

That was his biggest problem in Denver.

Lack⋅a⋅dai⋅si⋅cal

1. without interest, vigor, or determination; listless; lethargic: a lackadaisical attempt.
2. lazy; indolent: a lackadaisical fellow.

Back to the ridiculous comparison to Elway. The only thing they have in common is a great arm. Beyond that, what in Cutler's game makes it look like he wants to fight for a win?

It was very instructive to see Rivers get his head handed to him against THIS Denver team. Without the guy that WILL blow up, who was Rivers going to mock? Denver pried a gorilla off of it's back by winning in SD. Up until last week, SD has had no challengers for about 3 years. Now, there is a contest.....and our new coach seems to be very up for contests.

rastaman
10-28-2009, 04:12 AM
Well the point I was trying to make was that with everyone jumping on Cutler b/c of the amount of Interceptions he throws, Elway during the same period of his career (3 years as a starter), Elway threw a lot of interceptions. Interceptions are not a barometer of how successful-unsuccessful a QB will be over the course of their careers. Just imagine how incensed todays Broncos fans would be of Elway had he thrown 22 TD's and 23 Interceptions. Todays fans would have been calling for Elway's head as well.

rastaman
10-28-2009, 04:17 AM
So you're not a team first kinda guy, you're a player first kinda guy that could care less about the team.

Gotcha.:thumbsup:

Well wouldn't you agree that its the players that make the NFL what it is today? Last time I checked, the Fans don't go the games to watch HC's and Owners, return punts, block, tackle, run for TD's and pass for TD's. Can't recall an owner or HC's Jersey being a top seller!!

When you support the players and put them first over the GM, Owner, and HC! You are supporting the TEAM....Because w/o the PLAYERS you have no TEAM. Players put HC's into the Pro Bowl and HOF and its the players who allow the owners to become millionaires and billionaires:sunshine:

Bronco X
10-28-2009, 04:26 AM
Well the point I was trying to make was that with everyone jumping on Cutler b/c of the amount of Interceptions he throws, Elway during the same period of his career (3 years as a starter), Elway threw a lot of interceptions. Interceptions are not a barometer of how successful-unsuccessful a QB will be over the course of their careers. Just imagine how incensed todays Broncos fans would be of Elway had he thrown 22 TD's and 23 Interceptions. Todays fans would have been calling for Elway's head as well.

Elway won games though. When the game was on the line he was at his best. Cutler has been, at best, mediocre in those moments. Sure you can point to some games where he led the team down the field for a winning touchdown or field goal but you can point to just as many where the drive stalled or he turned it over in the clutch, including the games that could clinch playoff spots.

Elway had "it" and anyone paying attention could see it... Cutler does not, and is that the type of thing that can be developed? Perhaps, but make no mistake, it's something Cutler must develop.

The whole debate about Cutler gets out of hand on both sides of the argument. He's clearly not a bad player. But on the other hand, he's been handed an awful lot of accolades in his early career that he has done nothing to deserve. His name is routinely floated about amongst the likes of Brady, Manning, Rothlisberger, etc. That in and of itself is ridiculous before you start talking about John Elway for crying out loud. He's not even in the same class as Phillip Rivers at this point in his career. He clearly has the talent to get to that level but it's hardly the given that his biggest fans seem to think it is. It takes more than talent to be an elite, winning QB and Cutler has a long way to go before he should be considered one. He came to Chicago having done zip in his career and he was already anointed their greatest QB in decades. I think the fact that so many have already handed him that title is a bad thing for him. Makes him think it's not something he needs to work towards.

rastaman
10-28-2009, 05:04 AM
Elway won games though. When the game was on the line he was at his best. Cutler has been, at best, mediocre in those moments. Sure you can point to some games where he led the team down the field for a winning touchdown or field goal but you can point to just as many where the drive stalled or he turned it over in the clutch, including the games that could clinch playoff spots.

Elway had "it" and anyone paying attention could see it... Cutler does not, and is that the type of thing that can be developed? Perhaps, but make no mistake, it's something Cutler must develop.

The whole debate about Cutler gets out of hand on both sides of the argument. He's clearly not a bad player. But on the other hand, he's been handed an awful lot of accolades in his early career that he has done nothing to deserve. His name is routinely floated about amongst the likes of Brady, Manning, Rothlisberger, etc. That in and of itself is ridiculous before you start talking about John Elway for crying out loud. He's not even in the same class as Phillip Rivers at this point in his career. He clearly has the talent to get to that level but it's hardly the given that his biggest fans seem to think it is. It takes more than talent to be an elite, winning QB and Cutler has a long way to go before he should be considered one. He came to Chicago having done zip in his career and he was already anointed their greatest QB in decades. I think the fact that so many have already handed him that title is a bad thing for him. Makes him think it's not something he needs to work towards.

Not disagreeing with you on Elway when you look at his 16 years career. But understand and consider where both players were at after just 3 years as a starting QB. You will find that both QB's had problems with throwing interceptions. In fact, although Elway was apart of the elite QB's coming out of the draft in 83, he did not get the same respect and accolades that Marino, Kelly and the others were getting. The press/media were all over Elway b/c of the 3 SB losses and of course the blowouts in the SB's against the Redskin and 49ers, started the pile on that Elway was a loser etc. Of course they couldn't have been further from the truth. But the feelings were Elway would not ever be an elite/all time great QB. Well the pundits were all wrong. Same scenario can happen with Cutler. Its way too early to predict whehter Cutler will be a bust.

cutthemdown
10-28-2009, 05:35 AM
Well wouldn't you agree that its the players that make the NFL what it is today? Last time I checked, the Fans don't go the games to watch HC's and Owners, return punts, block, tackle, run for TD's and pass for TD's. Can't recall an owner or HC's Jersey being a top seller!!

When you support the players and put them first over the GM, Owner, and HC! You are supporting the TEAM....Because w/o the PLAYERS you have no TEAM. Players put HC's into the Pro Bowl and HOF and its the players who allow the owners to become millionaires and billionaires:sunshine:

You're an idiot and your stupid the players come first argument is a total joke. It's all about the team bro not the individuals. No wonder you like Cutler though it now makes sense.

You could care less about the Broncos, you just like to be a fan of athletes. Sounds like how my ex g/f picked who she rooted for based on what players were cute. You would get a long great with her she was a disloyal tramp just like you.

RMT
10-28-2009, 06:41 AM
Well the point I was trying to make was that with everyone jumping on Cutler b/c of the amount of Interceptions he throws, Elway during the same period of his career (3 years as a starter), Elway threw a lot of interceptions. Interceptions are not a barometer of how successful-unsuccessful a QB will be over the course of their careers. Just imagine how incensed todays Broncos fans would be of Elway had he thrown 22 TD's and 23 Interceptions. Todays fans would have been calling for Elway's head as well.

unlikely ... elway didn't come off anywhere near as pretentious or smug as cutler. sure, he had confidence in himself but he was a good teammate, something rarely said (if at all) about cutler.

plus, elway didn't throw a lot of red zone INTs either. cutler has a "talent" for doing that very well. and he was surrounded by better offensive talent than elway was at the same point in his career. elway was the show on offense. he didn't have the running backs or wide receiver talent cutler had. thus, fans were far more tolerant of elway's INTs because he was having to make plays. cutler didn't have to do that.

rastaman
10-28-2009, 07:02 AM
You're an idiot and your stupid the players come first argument is a total joke. It's all about the team bro not the individuals. No wonder you like Cutler though it now makes sense.

You could care less about the Broncos, you just like to be a fan of athletes. Sounds like how my ex g/f picked who she rooted for based on what players were cute. You would get a long great with her she was a disloyal tramp just like you.

Oh get over yourself you stupid PUNK! Only Athletes have the talent to play in the NFL and the Players are the Athletes. I put the player-athletes first.

I've already stated there is no team w/o the PLAYERS you idiot. You put the team first if you support the players over the OWNER, GM, FO, and HC!!! You stupid nit wit the PLAYERS are the FREAKIN BRONCOS! So because I put the players first! I put the Broncos first! Jesus Fckng ****** why is that so hard for your DUMB AZZ to comprehend???

Hey if you want to support and show blind loyalty to the owner, FO, GM, and HC more power to ya! Just remember w/o the PLAYERS you don't have the Owners, FO people, GM's, and HC's!!!

Oh by the way your g/f left your miserable retarded azz b/c you're a narrow minded idiot. She knew she could do much better than dating a Neaderthal Knuckle Dragging Moron like you.

See ya later you Nut Hugging Pro-Management HACK!

GreatBronco16
10-28-2009, 07:10 AM
And without an owner, there is no team. Remember that.

CEH
10-28-2009, 07:21 AM
Not disagreeing with you on Elway when you look at his 16 years career. But understand and consider where both players were at after just 3 years as a starting QB. You will find that both QB's had problems with throwing interceptions. In fact, although Elway was apart of the elite QB's coming out of the draft in 83, he did not get the same respect and accolades that Marino, Kelly and the others were getting. The press/media were all over Elway b/c of the 3 SB losses and of course the blowouts in the SB's against the Redskin and 49ers, started the pile on that Elway was a loser etc. Of course they couldn't have been further from the truth. But the feelings were Elway would not ever be an elite/all time great QB. Well the pundits were all wrong. Same scenario can happen with Cutler. Its way too early to predict whehter Cutler will be a bust.

John Elway 3 years in under Mike Shanahan would not have lost 4 home game and avg 17 ppg in those 4 home losses. Sur he may have thrown INT but Elway would have found a way to win. Cutler it seems just doesn't have the intangibles to win in this league. With him it always something else. At some point he needs to start winning. Stats will get coaches fired. Wins will not except Merty in SD

Pick any elite QB four years in and tell me that they were 20-23 with no playoff under there belt taking over teams that were far worst than the 9-7 Denver Broncos coming off the '05 AFC Championship game or the '08 Chicgo Bears

Talk to me about Cutler when he gets his overall wins over 500.
That way we don't have to talk about Jay until maybe 2012

barryr
10-28-2009, 07:52 AM
Cutler's mindset is still in the "make a great play" on every play mindset, which tends to get him in trouble when facing a good defense. Sure, he can get away with it for the most part against a poor defense, but decisions he makes don't help you get to the playoffs, much less get far in the playoffs. Until he stops worrying about making ESPN highlights and just taking what the defense gievs you, the Bears will not win consistently, at least against good teams.

jhns
10-28-2009, 08:32 AM
I expected Cutler to be tamed more in Chicago. They don't have the defense now with injuries but coming into the season they had a good defense and good RB. They need to make Cutler a game manager and let him fling it like he does now when they are behind. That would be the winning formula. Cutler is not playing well the way they are using him now. He doesn't have the offense to throw it around like he did here.

That being said, I still trust Shanahan and his knowledge of QBs more than most anyone. He was convinced that Cutler was the next big thing and he let Cutler fling it around here. He also was convinced that Cutler was still progressing into something special no matter what flaws you find in his play from last year. Elway and Manning both threw tons of interceptions early in their careers so that isn't a real good argument of why he is so horrible.

This is what pissed off so many fans when we traded him. We had our best ever coach, who was brilliant with offense, telling us how great Cutler is. Why would we want to give away the next great QB? If he does become even half of what Shanahan thought, everyone here will be mad that we gave him up. Of course, we won't be to mad if we keep winning without him. Let's not act like this is the only season both parties are playing though.

What I don't get is why people get so mad that others don't agree with them. Like anyone is giving up on being a Bronco fan just because they don't like some moves or a coach. As if a few moves, a coach, or player are even close to being bigger than the team. So many flamed anyone who says anything about Cutler and then they cry for the next month if you flame back. Some here just seem to take the internet a little to seriously. It is about time for some to leave the house a few times. Maybe not though, you are the people that make my work days go by fast. When conversations go well, they don't entertain for nearly as long.

OABB
10-28-2009, 09:37 AM
Jamarcus russel has thrown a lot of picks too, I guess he will be great someday too rastaman.

rastaman
10-28-2009, 09:48 AM
Jamarcus russel has thrown a lot of picks too, I guess he will be great someday too rastaman.

Oh Jamarcus Russel your AZZ! We aren't talking about him are we. I have no idea how Russell will turn out....and have yet to watch a single game he has QB'd. So what's your point O'Brite-One????

Besides, you and your "Ilk" are only Band-Wagon Fair Whether Orton fans so get over yourselves.

Peoples Champ
10-28-2009, 09:57 AM
Oh Jamarcus Russel your AZZ! We aren't talking about him are we. I have no idea how Russell will turn out....and have yet to watch a single game he has QB'd. So what's your point O'Brite-One????

Besides, you and your "Ilk" are only Band-Wagon Fair Whether Orton fans so get over yourselves.

ya, if Jamarcus Russell had a good Defense, good oline, good reciever, good RB, good special teams, he would be good too.

baja
10-28-2009, 10:10 AM
And without an owner, there is no team. Remember that.

So carry it out far enough it's the fan that makes it all go so rastaman when can I expect my game check?

Peoples Champ
10-28-2009, 10:12 AM
So carry it out far enough it's the fan that makes it all go so rastaman when can I expect my game check?



Yes, what came first , the chicken or the egg?

baja
10-28-2009, 10:14 AM
Yes, what came first , the chicken or the egg?

Well have you ever seen an egg cross the road?

rastaman
10-28-2009, 10:21 AM
So carry it out far enough it's the fan that makes it all go so rastaman when can I expect my game check?

Write or call Bowlen and ask him the same question...why don'tcha!

Killericon
10-28-2009, 10:25 AM
Oh get over yourself you stupid PUNK! Only Athletes have the talent to play in the NFL and the Players are the Athletes. I put the player-athletes first.

I've already stated there is no team w/o the PLAYERS you idiot. You put the team first if you support the players over the OWNER, GM, FO, and HC!!! You stupid nit wit the PLAYERS are the FREAKIN BRONCOS! So because I put the players first! I put the Broncos first! Jesus Fckng ****** why is that so hard for your DUMB AZZ to comprehend???

Hey if you want to support and show blind loyalty to the owner, FO, GM, and HC more power to ya! Just remember w/o the PLAYERS you don't have the Owners, FO people, GM's, and HC's!!!

Oh by the way your g/f left your miserable retarded azz b/c you're a narrow minded idiot. She knew she could do much better than dating a Neaderthal Knuckle Dragging Moron like you.

See ya later you Nut Hugging Pro-Management HACK!

http://www.facepalm.org/img.php

rastaman
10-28-2009, 10:25 AM
So carry it out far enough it's the fan that makes it all go so rastaman when can I expect my game check?

Baja.....who do the fans come see play and why are the stadiums filled to capacity? The Fans come see the players perform. Fans don't pay the high prices to attend games, buy team/NFL merchandise b/c of the Owners or HC's; the fans are inspired to do so b/c of the players.

Which came first.......The Players or the Fans?

Peoples Champ
10-28-2009, 10:27 AM
im just happy that I made a thread that went 9 pages, the most I have ever gotten is 2 pages

rastaman
10-28-2009, 10:30 AM
im just happy that I made a thread that went 9 pages, the most I have ever gotten is 2 pages

Great thread.

Peoples Champ
10-28-2009, 10:30 AM
Great thread.


10 pages, yessssssssss

Mountain Bronco
10-28-2009, 10:40 AM
Well the point I was trying to make was that with everyone jumping on Cutler b/c of the amount of Interceptions he throws, Elway during the same period of his career (3 years as a starter), Elway threw a lot of interceptions. Interceptions are not a barometer of how successful-unsuccessful a QB will be over the course of their careers. Just imagine how incensed todays Broncos fans would be of Elway had he thrown 22 TD's and 23 Interceptions. Todays fans would have been calling for Elway's head as well.

No, I jump on Cutler, because he is a loser (he has a losing record) and has been since College. John threw INT's but still won. Cutler took over a team that was previously a winner and started losing. Now he isn't doing any better in Chicago.

Stop with the John Cutler comps, it makes you look stupid.

baja
10-28-2009, 10:44 AM
Baja.....who do the fans come see play and why are the stadiums filled to capacity? The Fans come see the players perform. Fans don't pay the high prices to attend games, buy team/NFL merchandise b/c of the Owners or HC's; the fans are inspired to do so b/c of the players.

Which came first.......The Players or the Fans?

Have you ever seen a fan cross the road?

Dagmar
10-28-2009, 10:52 AM
10 pages, yessssssssss

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/robert817/Movies/Napoleon%20Dynamite/kipyes.gif

rastaman
10-28-2009, 10:56 AM
Have you ever seen a fan cross the road?

I've seen fans stumble across the road after a game! Does that count?

azbroncfan
10-28-2009, 11:59 AM
Baja.....who do the fans come see play and why are the stadiums filled to capacity? The Fans come see the players perform. Fans don't pay the high prices to attend games, buy team/NFL merchandise b/c of the Owners or HC's; the fans are inspired to do so b/c of the players.

Which came first.......The Players or the Fans?

Rasta who pays these guys salaries? Who do you think is more important to the NFL Fans or Jay Cutler? Give it a rest I thought your knees would of been wore out after the constant Marshall excuses but nope your like the energizer bunny. A large portion of these players are detriments to society without the fans paying their salaries.

rastaman
10-28-2009, 02:32 PM
No, I jump on Cutler, because he is a loser (he has a losing record) and has been since College. John threw INT's but still won. Cutler took over a team that was previously a winner and started losing. Now he isn't doing any better in Chicago.

Stop with the John Cutler comps, it makes you look stupid.

So are you saying Elway could have thrown 22-TD's and 23 Intercep and todays fans would not have mind so long as he wins! I don't buy that lie for one second. 20 years ago I can believe it, but not with todays impatient fans with lofty expectations. Simply put, some QB's early in their careers throw interceptions and as they mature, get further experience, and they get help talent wise the interception decrease. Remember, Elway was able to win early in his career despite throwing a lot of interceptions was due b/c Joe Collier the DC put some great effective defensive teams out there that kept the games close enough for Elway bring the Broncos back.

rastaman
10-28-2009, 02:48 PM
Rasta who pays these guys salaries? Who do you think is more important to the NFL Fans or Jay Cutler? Give it a rest I thought your knees would of been wore out after the constant Marshall excuses but nope your like the energizer bunny. A large portion of these players are detriments to society without the fans paying their salaries.

Alright AZ cool it with the immature insults. Yes the fans/owners pay the salaries of the players. Yet it still remains that its a Players League and w/o the players....there is no NFL. Last I checked they have a HOF for the Players and not the FANS! So in the grand scheme of things the fans contribution and value is not truly appreciated.

However, the players sure get addicted and effected by the fans cheers and the fans jeers! If anything, its the owners that are financially dependent on the fans and players the most. And the HC's are even more dependent upon the performance of the Players b/c they can get fired if the players don't perform.

On draft day what draws in the fans attention? THE PLAYERS, During training camp what draws in the fans....THE PLAYERS. During the preseason games what draws in the fans......THE PLAYERS. During the regular season where can you find the fans....in the stadium, sports bars, and in private homes....all watching and rooting for the PLAYERS.

So I'd say the PLAYERS are the most important asset to the NFL, the owners, the fans, and the coaches. The owners need them, the HC needs them, and the FANS need the players to show up and perform.

IT'S A PLAYERS LEAGUE AND FANS PUT THE PLAYERS FIRST......DEAL WITH IT.:strong:

colonelbeef
10-28-2009, 02:53 PM
Matt Cassell has a losing record this year, and had a truly horrific game last week.

Is he suddenly a terrible QB, or is he missing the quality coaching, schemes, and talent that he had in New England?

Cutler is still a good QB. Chicago is shot, and was done the minute Urlacher went down

Liquid Courage
10-28-2009, 02:54 PM
my favorite stat of the day:

"Rex Grossman threw interceptions on 3.64 percent of his attempts before getting booed out of a job in Chicago; Jay Cutler throws interceptions on 4.78 percent of attempts here in 2009."

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/10_235_Power_Rankings%3A_what_a_difference_a_year_ makes.html

Inkana7
10-28-2009, 02:56 PM
Matt Cassell has a losing record this year, and had a truly horrific game last week.

Is he suddenly a terrible QB, or is he missing the quality coaching, schemes, and talent that he had in New England?

Cutler is still a good QB. Chicago is shot, and was done the minute Urlacher went down

Oh, so it's the defense's fault now?

RMT
10-28-2009, 02:56 PM
So are you saying Elway could have thrown 22-TD's and 23 Intercep and todays fans would not have mind so long as he wins! I don't buy that lie for one second. 20 years ago I can believe it, but not with todays impatient fans with lofty expectations. Simply put, some QB's early in their careers throw interceptions and as they mature, get further experience, and they get help talent wise the interception decrease. Remember, Elway was able to win early in his career despite throwing a lot of interceptions was due b/c Joe Collier the DC put some great effective defensive teams out there that kept the games close enough for Elway bring the Broncos back.

big difference tho is that elway made the rest of the offense BETTER and he had far less talent at RB and WR to work with than what cutler had here.

in elway's SECOND season (1984) he led the Broncos to a 13-3 record with the #25 DEFENSE and the #22 OFFENSE. 18 TDs and 15 INTs. explain that - cutler would NEVER carry a team with those rankings to a 13-3 record.

BroncoInferno
10-28-2009, 02:56 PM
Alright AZ cool it with the immature insults. Yes the fans/owners pay the salaries of the players. Yet it still remains that its a Players League and w/o the players....there is no NFL. Last I checked they have a HOF for the Players and not the FANS! So in the grand scheme of things the fans contribution and value is not truly appreciated.

However, the players sure get addicted and effected by the fans cheers and the fans jeers! If anything, its the owners that are financially dependent on the fans and players the most. And the HC's are even more dependent upon the performance of the Players b/c they can get fired if the players don't perform.

On draft day what draws in the fans attention? THE PLAYERS, During training camp what draws in the fans....THE PLAYERS. During the preseason games what draws in the fans......THE PLAYERS. During the regular season where can you find the fans....in the stadium, sports bars, and in private homes....all watching and rooting for the PLAYERS.

So I'd say the PLAYERS are the most important asset to the NFL, the owners, the fans, and the coaches. The owners need them, the HC needs them, and the FANS need the players to show up and perform.

IT'S A PLAYERS LEAGUE AND FANS PUT THE PLAYERS FIRST......DEAL WITH IT.:strong:

Were you around this offseason? The coach was the focus of the fans attention more than any other player. A team needs strong players AND coaches AND front office to be successful. Fans recognize the importance of all three working together and put the TEAM first...DEAL WITH IT!

Rock Chalk
10-28-2009, 02:58 PM
3. Denver (6-0). Last week: Bye. Josh mcdaniels spent the off week repeating to himself “holy sweet mother of what the f---, we’re f---ing 6-0!”, then flexing into a full-length mirror. The broncos easily maintain the top spot in our all-important defensive hog index.
hahahah

bombay
10-28-2009, 03:01 PM
super bowl contenders!

errand
10-28-2009, 03:07 PM
I'll answer that. They planned all along to trade Cutler but they had to appear not over anxious to dump him so as to maximize his value. Truth be told they played the whole event masterfully.

you might not be that far from the truth...ROFL!

I've noticed that Chicago has seemed to have fallen in love with Vanderbilt players here of late, drafting 3 in the last two drafts. DJ Moore, Earl Bennett, and chris Williams...and now they're all reunited with their former QB.

So imagine this that Bowlen wanted to get rid of Cutler with his INT's and losing record, and big contract..so they let slip trade rumor...they know he'll get all bent, and he demands a trade, they then know that he'll immediately cotnact his old colleege chums to vent, and they start bending Lovie's and Angelo's ear, which sets in motion the package of two #1's and a 3rd...but McDaniels having done his homework demands they include Kyle Orton in the deal.

Wow, and to think people called Mike the genius....LOL

errand
10-28-2009, 03:09 PM
I remember that guy. Jay George, right?

...umm, no...that's Jeff Cutler.LOL

errand
10-28-2009, 03:12 PM
So you're not a team first kinda guy, you're a player first kinda guy that could care less about the team.

Gotcha.:thumbsup:

...which explains his love for all things Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler.

errand
10-28-2009, 03:17 PM
Well wouldn't you agree that its the players that make the NFL what it is today?

Yes, players like Pacman Jones, Michael Vick, Shawn Merriman...etc....and yet the bitch about Rush wanting to be part owner of a team.Hilarious!

errand
10-28-2009, 03:24 PM
Baja.....who do the fans come see play and why are the stadiums filled to capacity? The Fans come see the players perform. Fans don't pay the high prices to attend games, buy team/NFL merchandise b/c of the Owners or HC's; the fans are inspired to do so b/c of the players.

Which came first.......The Players or the Fans?

... the fans come regardless of who plays for the team.

errand
10-28-2009, 03:29 PM
A large portion of these players are detriments to society without the fans paying their salaries.

Exactly...the last book they read was "The Cat in the Hat"...but can run faster than Forrest Gump, so.....

errand
10-28-2009, 03:31 PM
Alright AZ cool it with the immature insults.

You obviously must have forgotten your last post where you called someone so many names I can't mention them all....I'm not saying you're stupid, but wouldn't you have to be?

errand
10-28-2009, 03:33 PM
Oh, so it's the defense's fault now?

..i was gonna ask if KC's problems are the same as Chicago's. Why wouldn't the same excuses the Gay fo' Jay's use not apply to KC fans explaining Cassell's sudden mortality

rastaman
10-28-2009, 03:56 PM
big difference tho is that elway made the rest of the offense BETTER and he had far less talent at RB and WR to work with than what cutler had here.

in elway's SECOND season (1984) he led the Broncos to a 13-3 record with the #25 DEFENSE and the #22 OFFENSE. 18 TDs and 15 INTs. explain that - cutler would NEVER carry a team with those rankings to a 13-3 record.

RMT those are all valid points. But I'm interested to know how many points a game the 84 Defense actually gave up! It looks like they gave up a lot of yards btwn the 20's but stiffend and kept teams out of end zone. How else do you explain the 13-3 record and Elway throwing 18 TD's and 15 Intercep., and yet Denver was still able to accomplish all thoses win w/o a high scoring offense.

The 1984 Broncos defense only gave 241 points. Thats 15 points a game! Thats what helped Elway win 13 games back then. What type of record would Cutler have had last year in Denver had the Defense only given up 15 points per game, according to last years teams stats, the Broncos would have gone 13-3 had last years Defense only given up 15 points a game.

Compare Defensive stats in 1984 and 2008 and you'll see what I'm talking about.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1984.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/2008.htm