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Bronx33
10-25-2009, 04:20 PM
butter

Dukes
10-25-2009, 04:21 PM
Best thing the Bears can do is cut Lovie loose in the offseason and hire Shanny.

Their defense is already in decline, mind as well make them bottom of the league with Slowik at the helm. Ha!

24champ
10-25-2009, 04:21 PM
Shanahan basically demoted Jim Bates, a known quality DC, half a season into his shot here and turned the show over to Sowik. When the guy put up nothing but **** for a season and a half Shanahan still said he wanted to bring him back. You really think he's still dragging him around to have him as a DBs coach?


Who really knows why he is dragging Slowik around. It's speculation that Slowik is the DC at the next job. They both are good friends, but I really don't see why or how you could hire Slowik as DC...given his track record. He's a good secondary coach, but as a DC he sucks everywhere. Kaylore had a thread about it...it was mind boggling. I mean Shanahan HAS to know that. Besides you can't be an expert at the 3-4 just by attending a couple training camps.


Yes. Turner will uproot his family and move from Denver for basically the exact same job he has now, even though he's refused to do so when offered significantly more money to be an OC.

He was very close to looking for a job this past offseason. Thanks to Bowlen he is still with the Broncos.

bombay
10-25-2009, 04:23 PM
No way Shanahan will take on a massive rebuild in a cold weather city when the Dallas job, among others, are his for the asking.

UberBroncoMan
10-25-2009, 04:23 PM
Best thing the Bears can do is cut Lovie loose in the offseason and hire Shanny.

Lets hope they don't. I want them to keep sucking on offense.

WABronco
10-25-2009, 04:25 PM
Chicago Bear's to do list:

-Build offensive line
-Find some receivers
-New coaching staff
-New defense/system
-Figure out how to draft with no first day picks

Denver's to do list prior to the season:

-Not be historically bad again on defense

----

Ya, have fun with that Cutler.

tsiguy96
10-25-2009, 04:25 PM
No way Shanahan will take on a massive rebuild in a cold weather city when the Dallas job, among others, are his for the asking.

personally, i think he goes to san diego. that would make for some drama for sure.

bombay
10-25-2009, 04:26 PM
Chicago Bear's to do list:

-Build offensive line
-Find some receivers
-New coaching staff
-New defense/system
-Figure out how to draft with no first day picks

Denver's to do list prior to the season:

-Not be historically bad again on defense

----

Ya, have fun with that Cutler.


Falls into the 'careful what you ask for' category.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 04:26 PM
there it is again

NYBronco
10-25-2009, 04:26 PM
The 30 million dollar pick machine, #3.

Broncosfreak_56
10-25-2009, 04:26 PM
I'm loving it. What a season.

Sassy
10-25-2009, 04:26 PM
Awesome job, Jay!!! 3 ints~!

CHANGSTER
10-25-2009, 04:26 PM
Lawl-riffic!

Dedhed
10-25-2009, 04:27 PM
back foot, triple coverage, shocking!

bombay
10-25-2009, 04:27 PM
personally, i think he goes to san diego. that would make for some drama for sure.


Possible. Great city, and some talent remains on the roster.

_Oro_
10-25-2009, 04:27 PM
21/30 with 201 yards is not bad.

Soul-Bronco
10-25-2009, 04:27 PM
HAHAHAHAHAH this is comical!!!

Garcia Bronco
10-25-2009, 04:27 PM
Cutchise throws a 3rd one.

Fox should switch games

fontaine
10-25-2009, 04:27 PM
How the hell do you throw into a WR that has three DBs around him?

Good lord, Cutler is actually getting worse every quarter. No real pass rush around him that time.

NYBronco
10-25-2009, 04:27 PM
Franchise could learn something from Orton about game management.

UberBroncoMan
10-25-2009, 04:28 PM
WOOT!!!

Now he's 10 TD's and 10 INT's.

Drek
10-25-2009, 04:28 PM
Who really knows why he is dragging Slowik around. It's speculation that Slowik is the DC at the next job. They both are good friends, but I really don't see why or how you could hire Slowik as DC...given his track record. He's a good secondary coach, but as a DC he sucks everywhere. Kaylore had a thread about it...it was mind boggling. I mean Shanahan HAS to know that. Besides you can't be an expert at the 3-4 just by attending a couple training camps.
Shanahan wanted to keep him here and said as much after we gave up 52 to San Diego as we coughed up the division. You REALLY think Shanahan is viewing Slowik with 20/20 vision?


He was very close to looking for a job this past offseason. Thanks to Bowlen he is still with the Broncos.
Yes, thanks to Pat Bowlen. Not that McDaniels wanted to keep an accomplished RBs coach who has strong ties to the city and organization. I guess it was Bowlen who let Turner work out Moreno and Bowlen also made McDaniels draft him.

BroncoInferno
10-25-2009, 04:28 PM
That's 10 INTs for the season in only 6 games.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 04:28 PM
palmer slingin em!!

Gcver2ver3
10-25-2009, 04:28 PM
you all blind?...

clearly the WRs fault....easily...

:sunshine:

Kid A
10-25-2009, 04:29 PM
You know who's actually a good quarterback? Carson Palmer. Glad to see he's getting back to pre-ACL form. Seems like a good guy.

UberBroncoMan
10-25-2009, 04:29 PM
ROFL all the Bears fans are blaming the INT on Greg Olson quitting his rout. ****ing delusional retarded fans.

Gort
10-25-2009, 04:30 PM
21/30 with 201 yards is not bad.

add in 3 INT and 0 TD and you have the full picture. also, Cutler fumbled the ball twice, but they didn't lose possession either time. CHI fans must be melting down. they were believing that they had the inside track for the superbowl. little did they know that Cutler is not the franchise QB they were told he was.

troya900
10-25-2009, 04:30 PM
you all blind?...

clearly the WRs fault....easily...

:sunshine:

Comical, many apologists on the Bears board blaming Olsen on that INT. Ha! :clown:

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 04:30 PM
ROFL all the Bears fans are blaming the INT on Greg Olson quitting his rout. ****ing delusional retarded fans.

Too funny..

bombay
10-25-2009, 04:30 PM
21/30 with 201 yards is not bad.

24-30, actually.

fontaine
10-25-2009, 04:30 PM
Watching Chad Ocho go to work really makes you appreciate the job our secondary, especially Champ did in week 1.

troya900
10-25-2009, 04:30 PM
ROFL all the Bears fans are blaming the INT on Greg Olson quitting his rout. ****ing delusional retarded fans.

Beat me to it haha.

Soul-Bronco
10-25-2009, 04:31 PM
i think cutler just put his penthouse up for sale in chicago

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-25-2009, 04:31 PM
It looks bad for Jay but he's getting no help from his WRs or OL or RBs. But he's got absolutely no one to blame but himself. He b****ed and moaned his way out of a great organization into a sh*t heap offense. I hope those millions of dollars keep him safe because his OL sure as hell can't.

wow i couldn't put it more perfectly. I was a cutler fan and was hopin his miscues was cause he was just starting out like Elways used to do. Only with more wins

Gort
10-25-2009, 04:31 PM
ROFL all the Bears fans are blaming the INT on Greg Olson quitting his rout. ****ing delusional retarded fans.

they just paid Cutler $30M this past week. of course everybody else will get the blame before him. Lovie will lose his job this offseason because Cutler won't live up to expectations.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 04:31 PM
Way to come back and haunt em benson..

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 04:32 PM
Hot off the bears board..

Denver won the Cutler trade in a landslide

Broncosfreak_56
10-25-2009, 04:32 PM
Bears fan in denial:
I don't have any problem with JC's interceptions. He's trying like a true sportsman. JC has heart and what difference does it make at this point whether he throws an int or not. He's not giving up. He's going to get angry with someone in management about the inept plays and players he has to work with.



lol.

Gort
10-25-2009, 04:32 PM
Cutler being toppled like a tree. a weeping, mopey, ashen, throwing-off-his-back-foot-for-an-INT tree.

T I M B E R R R R R !

http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/ccd95213-1300-4ac1-bc9d-f3a95d88b5e2.jpg

Broncosfreak_56
10-25-2009, 04:33 PM
i think cutler just put his penthouse up for sale in chicago

Has his dad returned the playbook yet?

DeusExManning
10-25-2009, 04:33 PM
3 interceptions. Lets all sing 99 Jay Cutler interceptions, 99 Jay Cutler interceptions, you take one down and pass it around 99 Jay Cutler interceptions.

DenverBrit
10-25-2009, 04:33 PM
WOOT!!!

Now he's 10 TD's and 10 INT's.

....and five fumbles.

Dukes
10-25-2009, 04:33 PM
Orton was correct, he got basically no coaching in Chicago. Just ask Cutler regressing in his 4th year.

bpc
10-25-2009, 04:34 PM
Their defense is already in decline, mind as well make them bottom of the league with Slowik at the helm. Ha!

You don't know that will happen for a fact.

Shanahan took over a Denver defense which was the worst in the league in 94. Within two years he made it into a top 5 defense.

Success will follow Shanny again.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 04:34 PM
Cutler being toppled like a tree. a weeping, mopey, ashen, throwing-off-his-back-foot-for-an-INT tree.

T I M B E R R R R R !

http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/ccd95213-1300-4ac1-bc9d-f3a95d88b5e2.jpg



OMG thats a funny picture.

Garcia Bronco
10-25-2009, 04:35 PM
switch games.

Soul-Bronco
10-25-2009, 04:35 PM
Has his dad returned the playbook yet?

he has to pull it out of ass 1st!!!!!!

UberBroncoMan
10-25-2009, 04:36 PM
Bears fan in denial:


lol.

Yeah... the fans in Chicago have pretty much gone full retard in relation to Cutler. He could shoot and kill someone yet they would blame the person who died for not getting out of the way of his bullet.

Broncomutt
10-25-2009, 04:36 PM
Hey Chicago, thanks for the draft picks. Good luck with the Crybaby.

Here endeth the lesson.

24champ
10-25-2009, 04:36 PM
Shanahan wanted to keep him here and said as much after we gave up 52 to San Diego as we coughed up the division. You REALLY think Shanahan is viewing Slowik with 20/20 vision?


Like I said, I don't believe Slowik is the DC if they go with the 3-4 scheme. He's not a 3-4 guy, and just because you attend a couple 3-4 training camps...hardly makes one an expert at it.


Yes, thanks to Pat Bowlen. Not that McDaniels wanted to keep an accomplished RBs coach who has strong ties to the city and organization.

Don't take my word for it...just ask Wabbit. :ouwknow:

NYBronco
10-25-2009, 04:36 PM
Franchise is up... he should be throwing downfield nearly every play with that rocket of an arm. None of that dink and dunk junk.

BroncoInferno
10-25-2009, 04:36 PM
You don't know that will happen for a fact.

Shanahan took over a Denver defense which was the worst in the league in 94. Within two years he made it into a top 5 defense.

Success will follow Shanny again.

That was a decade and a half ago, my friend. Shanny was briiliant innovator at one time, but the game passes by everyone at some point and it might have passed by Shanny.

DenverBrit
10-25-2009, 04:37 PM
Bears fan in denial:


lol.

Interestingly, that seems to be the consensus amongst Bear's fans.

They are oblivious of the fact that Cutler throws lots of pics behind a great line and with outstanding receivers.

Oh, well, they'll 'get it' eventually.

Dukes
10-25-2009, 04:37 PM
You don't know that will happen for a fact.

Shanahan took over a Denver defense which was the worst in the league in 94. Within two years he made it into a top 5 defense.

Success will follow Shanny again.

IF Shanny keeps Slowik as his DC I guarantee you the defense will be near the bottom of the league.

Sassy
10-25-2009, 04:39 PM
Did they actually just say Jay didn't really have a chance? Ha! Seriously.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 04:39 PM
announcers making excuses for cutler.

BroncoInferno
10-25-2009, 04:39 PM
Don't take my word for it...just ask Wabbit. :ouwknow:

Bowlen initially planned to keep the offensive staff in place and match them with a defensive oriented HC. When he decided to go with McD, he gave Josh full autonomy to select his staff, while also allowing holdover coaches the opportunity to go elsewhere if they wished. Both Dennison and Turner are still in Denver because Josh decided to keep them on the staff and they both were willing to stay and work for him.

tsiguy96
10-25-2009, 04:39 PM
cutler will never, ever get the blame, dont worry. its always his lines fault, or his WRs fault. now the question is, why did he make the same dumb mistakes here with elite oline and WR?

bombay
10-25-2009, 04:39 PM
Franchise QB soon to be 20-23.

There are, of course, a myriad of excuses for this aberation.

Inkana7
10-25-2009, 04:40 PM
My two games: The Cutler **** show and the Raiders-Jets smackdown. Ugh.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 04:40 PM
IF Shanny keeps Slowik as his DC I guarantee you the defense will be near the bottom of the league.



I fully endorse this post.

troya900
10-25-2009, 04:40 PM
Lol, that "sack" that they just showed Cutler taking earlier in the game reminds me of Chris Everett. Hilarious!

Williams
10-25-2009, 04:41 PM
46.0 passer rating. There's no reason Hanie shouldn't be in there right now.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 04:41 PM
TO time...

DenverBrit
10-25-2009, 04:42 PM
The Bears are fortunate that Odom isn't playing.

Broncomutt
10-25-2009, 04:42 PM
46.0 passer rating. There's no reason Hanie shouldn't be in there right now.

I've got 30 million reasons actually.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 04:43 PM
day late and dollar short.

UberBroncoMan
10-25-2009, 04:44 PM
Dammit :(... TD 11-10 now.

Miss I.
10-25-2009, 04:45 PM
totally OT, but they are talking about the awesomeness that is Denver over here in England during their coverage of the Cows vs the Falcons

baja
10-25-2009, 04:46 PM
Cutler QB rating is 64

That's about $500,000 a point!

theAPAOps5
10-25-2009, 04:46 PM
Like I said, I don't believe Slowik is the DC if they go with the 3-4 scheme. He's not a 3-4 guy, and just because you attend a couple 3-4 training camps...hardly makes one an expert at it.




Don't take my word for it...just ask Wabbit. :ouwknow:

Actually I was told the same thing and not from wabbit. Apparently Bowlen told McD that under no circumstances will Turner and Dennison be let go.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 04:50 PM
stupid bears..

orangeatheist
10-25-2009, 04:51 PM
I actually feel bad for the Bears, and their fans. But too many bad things cannot happen to Cutler. I love watching that quitter fail.

Miss I.
10-25-2009, 04:52 PM
See, now I am confused. I watched the NE v Tampa game expecting a complete blow out like last week. It was not a great game, but not as bad as this Chicago v Cincinatti game. Geeze, did Chicago, just lie down or something? I am very sad for my friend Mike who is a Bears fan.

Garcia Bronco
10-25-2009, 04:54 PM
they should have switched the games

Sassy
10-25-2009, 04:54 PM
Hmmm time to switch to the Saints game. They are only down by 3 now.

24champ
10-25-2009, 04:54 PM
Actually I was told the same thing and not from wabbit. Apparently Bowlen told McD that under no circumstances will Turner and Dennison be let go.

I was told by several people that post on this site that have close ties to the team what the situation was. It's not a big secret really.

TheReverend
10-25-2009, 04:56 PM
Well, he's not alone. Matt Ryan looks like dog**** today too. Less like dog****, but dog**** none the less :)

theAPAOps5
10-25-2009, 04:57 PM
I was told by several people that post on this site that have close ties to the team what the situation was. It's not a big secret really.

Exactly I was just posting that to back you up as I have heard that as well.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 04:59 PM
Funny bears post.

rob923:
I've lost whatever respect I had for Cincy coach Marv Lewis ... I will be rooting against Cincy for the rest of the freakin season!!!!



mARV SAYS: dON'T TAKE THIS ASSWHOOPIN PERSONAL.

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 05:00 PM
lmao! the bears board server just folded..

Man-Goblin
10-25-2009, 05:01 PM
I actually feel bad for the Bears, and their fans. But too many bad things cannot happen to Cutler. I love watching that quitter fail.

It is great, isn't it?

Cutler appologists will jump all over this statement, but it seems like blowouts/embarassmens were a rarity for the Broncos under Shanahan until Cutler took the helm. In fact, I know they were.

Just saying.

Broncosfreak_56
10-25-2009, 05:02 PM
Caleb Hanie time, bitches!

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 05:03 PM
hanie does a cutler immatation..

theAPAOps5
10-25-2009, 05:04 PM
Hey Cutler is listening to the iPod!

TheDave
10-25-2009, 05:05 PM
Caleb Hanie time, b****es!

WOW!

That's all I've got... WOW.

TonyR
10-25-2009, 05:05 PM
...Cutler appologists...

They are very quiet today. Although there are a couple of them among us whistling a mysteriously different tune...

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 05:07 PM
This killed me...

rob923:
Why did we punt on 4th down???

Because Lovie refuses to go for the "38-point conversion!"

lex
10-25-2009, 05:08 PM
Way to come back and haunt em benson..

Please. He was awful in Chicago. Its not as if he was wronged when Chicago cut him.

TheDave
10-25-2009, 05:09 PM
They are very quiet today. Although there are a couple of them among us whistling a mysteriously different tune...

38 point ass kickings tend to do that.

Gort
10-25-2009, 05:10 PM
Hey Cutler is listening to the iPod!

let's guess what he's listening too. let's see... emo QB. doesn't care if he wins or loses. likes to drink. 2+ chins.

a) Panic at the Disco
b) Coldplay
c) My Chemical Romance
d) Fall Out Boy

TheReverend
10-25-2009, 05:10 PM
They are very quiet today. Although there are a couple of them among us whistling a mysteriously different tune...

Eh, I still like him. I just like the Bengals more. They were my darkhorse playoff pick and playing up to my expectations.

Regardless, I do like him and think he's a very talented and capable FRANCHISE QB. I personally don't think many passers would be able to do much when you're running the ball 4 times for 11 yards with a good rusher like Forte. So you can't slow the pass rush with an already ****ty OL, and the wr's routes are on average piss poor.

I know the preceding paragraph will get viewed as an "apologist" statement, and that's fine because he definitely deserves his fair share of blame for the loss.

BroncoInferno
10-25-2009, 05:13 PM
Eh, I still like him. I just like the Bengals more. They were my darkhorse playoff pick and playing up to my expectations.

Regardless, I do like him and think he's a very talented and capable FRANCHISE QB. I personally don't think many passers would be able to do much when you're running the ball 4 times for 11 yards with a good rusher like Forte. So you can't slow the pass rush with an already ****ty OL, and the wr's routes are on average piss poor.

I know the preceding paragraph will get viewed as an "apologist" statement, and that's fine because he definitely deserves his fair share of blame for the loss.

Peyton Manning, a real franchise QB, has had no running game and WR/OL injuries to deal with all season. But he elevated his game and the guys around him followed his lead. Face it...Cutler is more Jeff George than Peyton Manning or Brett Favre (the QB to whom he is most often compared).

TheReverend
10-25-2009, 05:15 PM
Peyton Manning, a real franchise QB, has had no running game and WR/OL injuries to deal with all season. But he elevated his game and the guys around him followed his lead. Face it...Cutler is more Jeff George than Peyton Manning or Brett Favre (the QB to whom he is most often compared).

I agree, but never have I ever placed Cutler in Peyton Manning's league man...

BroncoInferno
10-25-2009, 05:18 PM
I agree, but never have I ever placed Cutler in Peyton Manning's league man...

Isn't that the standard of a franchise QB? A Manning, Brady, Brees, Favre type who succeeds under almost any circumstances? Issues with injuries, no name receivers...each of those guys I mentioned dealt with such issues and performed admirably, elevating their own play and the play of those around him. Until Cutler can show the ability to do likewise, he is NOT a franchise QB.

rastaman
10-25-2009, 05:18 PM
No way Shanahan will take on a massive rebuild in a cold weather city when the Dallas job, among others, are his for the asking.

Don't know about Shanny coaching in Dallas. Working for Jerry Jones would be like working for Al Davis again....perhaps even worse!

I'm sure its still fresh in Shanny's mind how Jones fired Jimmy Johnson after Johnson just won two consecutive SB's for the Cowboys.

There's no way Dallas is big enough town for both Jones and Shanny.

BroncoInferno
10-25-2009, 05:20 PM
Don't know about Shanny coaching in Dallas. Working for Jerry Jones would be like working for Al Davis again....perhaps even worse!

I'm sure its still fresh in Shanny's mind how Jones fired Jimmy Johnson after Johnson just won two consecutive SB's for the Cowboys.

There's no way Dallas is big enough town for both Jones and Shanny.

Jones got along fine with Parcells.

cutthemdown
10-25-2009, 05:21 PM
Don't be so sure Shanny would run to coach The Bears just because Cutler is there.

He will look at more then just that IMO. Besides Cutler already got him fired once. All he had to do is hit a couple open WR in the Bills game and we go to playoffs.

TheReverend
10-25-2009, 05:23 PM
Isn't that the standard of a franchise QB? A Manning, Brady, Brees, Favre type who succeeds under almost any circumstances? Issues with injuries, no name receivers...each of those guys I mentioned dealt with such issues and performed admirably, elevating their own play and the play of those around him. Until Cutler can show the ability to do likewise, he is NOT a franchise QB.

None of these guys were very successful early on, outside of Brady who had a fantastic TEAM around him.

As for your Brees comparison, Brees has had a worse day as a passer today than Cutler against inferior competition. The difference, NO's d has kept them in it with a timely pick 6 and a nice clamp down 4th quarter.

Now, I am NOT saying Cutler > Brees. I am also NOT absolving him from blame in today's loss.

baja
10-25-2009, 05:23 PM
Don't know about Shanny coaching in Dallas. Working for Jerry Jones would be like working for Al Davis again....perhaps even worse!

I'm sure its still fresh in Shanny's mind how Jones fired Jimmy Johnson after Johnson just won two consecutive SB's for the Cowboys.

There's no way Dallas is big enough town for both Jones and Shanny.

I think Shanny will hang it up.

broncofan7
10-25-2009, 05:24 PM
Jones got along fine with Parcells.

Dallas has two losses this season--to us and the NYG and they could have won BOTH games--if they keep playing this way--they will be an 11 to 12 win team and in the playoffs--however , if Wade doesn't win a PLAYOFF game--his ass is good as gone

broncofan7
10-25-2009, 05:27 PM
They are very quiet today. Although there are a couple of them among us whistling a mysteriously different tune...

Cutler played like 'coulter' today--He needed to lead a scoring drive when they were down 14-0 and he didn't do it--then the avalanche came. Two of my best friends are Bears fans--and they recognize the turnstile OL that Chicago has--what they cannot fathom--is how bad their running game has been this year........Jay **** the bed today. But it's great for our Draft position!

Bronx33
10-25-2009, 05:29 PM
I think Shanny will hang it up.



Did he mention that on the fishing trip? :~ohyah!:

BroncoInferno
10-25-2009, 05:30 PM
None of these guys were very successful early on, outside of Brady who had a fantastic TEAM around him.

As for your Brees comparison, Brees has had a worse day as a passer today than Cutler against inferior competition. The difference, NO's d has kept them in it with a timely pick 6 and a nice clamp down 4th quarter.

Now, I am NOT saying Cutler > Brees. I am also NOT absolving him from blame in today's loss.

Brees had a bad game, sure...everyone does. I'm not saying those guys never have a bad game. What I am saying is that those guys have also shown the ability to elevate their play on a consistent basis in a variety of circumstances. Cutler has never...NEVER...shown that ability with any consistency. He's also in his 4th season. It's about to get to the point where Cutler simply is what he is.

TheReverend
10-25-2009, 05:32 PM
Brees had a bad game, sure...everyone does. I'm not saying those guys never have a bad game. What I am saying is that those guys have also shown the ability to elevate their play on a consistent basis in a variety of circumstances. Cutler has never...NEVER...shown that ability with any consistency. He's also in his 4th season. It's about to get to the point where Cutler simply is what he is.

Well I think this is the fundamental differing of opinion, because I just simply disagree with this. Time will tell though!

bombay
10-25-2009, 05:32 PM
Haven't watched much of Miami/New Orleans... but NO has 40 points. Did Brees really have a bad game?

TheReverend
10-25-2009, 05:34 PM
Haven't watched much of Miami/New Orleans... but NO has 40 points. Did Brees really have a bad game?

3 picks and 1 TD thrown. Has gotten it together late, and also has 2 rushing TDs.

BroncoInferno
10-25-2009, 05:36 PM
Well I think this is the fundamental differing of opinion, because I just simply disagree with this. Time will tell though!

You disagree with my standard of what a franchise QB is, or with my assertion that Cutler has never lived up to that standard? If the former, how would you define a franchise QB? If the latter, can you give a few examples (I say "a few" because of course a game or two could simply be an anomally)?

baja
10-25-2009, 05:37 PM
Did he mention that on the fishing trip? :~ohyah!:

No but you could see it in his body language. ;D

He is a moopy fisherman.

Miss I.
10-25-2009, 05:38 PM
No but you could see it in his body language. ;D

He is a moopy fisherman.

On the lightrail? ;D

Finger Roll
10-25-2009, 05:42 PM
he had a bad half and a great second half. Cutler sucked both halves

Miss I.
10-25-2009, 05:45 PM
he had a bad half and a great second half. Cutler sucked both halves

Both halves of what? ;D (yes, AK, I know the gutter..I am entirely shameless). :angel:

TheReverend
10-25-2009, 05:47 PM
You disagree with my standard of what a franchise QB is, or with my assertion that Cutler has never lived up to that standard? If the former, how would you define a franchise QB? If the latter, can you give a few examples (I say "a few" because of course a game or two could simply be an anomally)?

With this:

Brees had a bad game, sure...everyone does. I'm not saying those guys never have a bad game. What I am saying is that those guys have also shown the ability to elevate their play on a consistent basis in a variety of circumstances. Cutler has never...NEVER...shown that ability with any consistency. He's also in his 4th season. It's about to get to the point where Cutler simply is what he is.

From his rookie season, elevating the offensive production immediately when he stepped into the huddle.

Then in his first full season starting, posting an 88.1 QB rating and elevating the offense to 11th from 21st with an established winner like Jake Plummer.

Of course there's last year where he broke franchise records and went to the pro-bowl and missed the play-offs due to a tie-breaker all while having 7 RBs on the IR and the most inept defense in Denver Broncos history, and making them successful because defenses were playing the pass.

Of course you could just take Rodney Harrison's word for it instead of mine and how he talked about preparing for Jay Cutler was perhaps the hardest QB in the league to prepare for.

But I get it, you hate him. It's fine. I really don't care and I'm not interested in having this argument for the 1000th time, especially when no one will be right or wrong until he proves it one way or the other.

bombay
10-25-2009, 05:47 PM
3 picks and 1 TD thrown. Has gotten it together late, and also has 2 rushing TDs.


OK. Yeah, not good.

Miss I.
10-25-2009, 05:58 PM
OK. Yeah, not good.

Yeah, but here's the difference, Brees, along with the rest of his O line and his D (yes I know this is critical) got it all together again enough when it counted to get NO the W. He made errors certainly, but he is by no means in the same performance category as Cutler. Tom Brady also had 2 interceptions today against a poor team, and alot of his plays were not that well excecuted on a # of occasions, and yet in the end, a sound beating was given to Tampa, Brady got 300 plus yards and a W. He and his team overcame all their mistakes, just as Brees did tonight for 1 TD 3 INT and nearly 300 yards. Defense and Offense win games. It's why we're winning and it's why NE and NO won. Unfortunately for Chicago, they are weak on both sides of the ball and it is why they will continue to struggle. It isn't entirely on Jay, though his poor play certainly didn't help.

azbroncfan
10-25-2009, 06:04 PM
Another blowout loss for Cutler. Guy has to lead the league in blowout losses since he has been in the league.

OBF1
10-25-2009, 06:08 PM
I can say I enjoyed watching the game today :)

Rigs11
10-25-2009, 06:13 PM
10 TD and 10 INTs this year. Yup the dude sure is a franchise QB.:rofl:

theAPAOps5
10-25-2009, 06:24 PM
10 TD and 10 INTs this year. Yup the dude sure is a franchise QB.:rofl:

But wait help me figure this out please. I have been told as has many others that only on THIS board does Cutler suck. Apparently the majority of the free world thinks he is awesome and a true blue franchise QB.

So my question is are we living in some bubble sheltered by the outside world because apparently we are just missing how awesome this guy is. I mean it seems only here on the mane do we see the INT's and the pouting and the thing that makes him a bust.

Please help me understand this as I definitely see plays that hint to a franchise caliber QB but I also see 5 plays after that which makes him the next Jeff George or Rex Grossman. Is it just me?

TheReverend
10-25-2009, 06:25 PM
But wait help me figure this out please. I have been told as has many others that only on THIS board does Cutler suck. Apparently the majority of the free world thinks he is awesome and a true blue franchise QB.

So my question is are we living in some bubble sheltered by the outside world because apparently we are just missing how awesome this guy is. I mean it seems only here on the mane do we see the INT's and the pouting and the thing that makes him a bust.

Please help me understand this as I definitely see plays that hint to a franchise caliber QB but I also see 5 plays after that which makes him the next Jeff George or Rex Grossman. Is it just me?

Nope. I had an Eagles fan out here text me b****ing about Cutler. :)

Durango
10-25-2009, 06:29 PM
Jay is learning what life in the NFL is like without an offensive line. I still believe it was a dumb mistake to trade him, but he isn't going to take the Bears anywhere until they can protect him. Throws too many risky throws, and if he forces those risky throws, there's a decent chance he'll continue to get picked a lot.

theAPAOps5
10-25-2009, 06:31 PM
Nope. I had an Eagles fan out here text me b****ing about Cutler. :)

Ok thats good I am glad it isn't as bad as I thought. Cutler could become great but maybe its going to take a Cedric Benson type fall from grace that does it.

Benson was a talent coming out of college. Benson was very aloof with his teammates. Benson relied too much on his talent. Benson had some off the field issues.

Cutler sounds very similar, although his off the field issues are not on the level of Benson's. Maybe Cutler needs to stop being told he is great and instead told he is a fraud. Might ignite that fire and make him become the franchise QB he could be.

Drek
10-25-2009, 06:34 PM
But wait help me figure this out please. I have been told as has many others that only on THIS board does Cutler suck. Apparently the majority of the free world thinks he is awesome and a true blue franchise QB.

So my question is are we living in some bubble sheltered by the outside world because apparently we are just missing how awesome this guy is. I mean it seems only here on the mane do we see the INT's and the pouting and the thing that makes him a bust.

Please help me understand this as I definitely see plays that hint to a franchise caliber QB but I also see 5 plays after that which makes him the next Jeff George or Rex Grossman. Is it just me?

We've all watched Jay Cutler's career. Much of the national opinion is fueled by only the highlights ESPN and co. chose to show. They don't have the perspective of seeing those 5 bad decisions, just the one cannon armed rocket he throws for a big touchdown.

They also don't see the late game collapses, the red zone failures, the inability to defend home field.

Now that he's in a more premier market they're getting exposed. Everyone was told "Chicago has a franchise QB!" so they tune in. Turns out he doesn't look particularly "franchise" most Sundays.

JCMElway
10-25-2009, 06:38 PM
If the season ended now we could potentially have the 13th pick in the draft, if all the tiebreakers went our way. Nice!

SJ Bronco
10-25-2009, 06:45 PM
If the season ended now we could potentially have the 13th pick in the draft, if all the tiebreakers went our way. Nice!

They way the bears d and Oline have been playing...we might be able to do better than that:giggle:

NYBronco
10-25-2009, 06:47 PM
If the season ended now we could potentially have the 13th pick in the draft, if all the tiebreakers went our way. Nice!

Jay's not so bad after all.

gyldenlove
10-25-2009, 06:55 PM
Looks like the Bears will struggle to win more than 8 games this year, should give us a pick in the mid teens I think.

rbackfactory80
10-25-2009, 06:58 PM
He has to much freedom, and has never proved he deserves it. The best ball he played was in the very beginning of his career, when he was learning how to drive. Funny thing is I really could see things going so far south in Chicago, there only so many three interception games their fans can take, he then moves on to the Raiders.

Gort
10-25-2009, 10:29 PM
He has to much freedom, and has never proved he deserves it. The best ball he played was in the very beginning of his career, when he was learning how to drive. Funny thing is I really could see things going so far south in Chicago, there only so many three interception games their fans can take, he then moves on to the Raiders.

Cutler has Raiders written all over him. when he wears out his welcome in CHI, Al Davis will still be willing to sign him. Jeff George had 2 stints with OAK before his career ended. i'm just saying...