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epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2009, 04:19 PM
Its coming, folks. The biggest sporting event in the world. Nations anticipate what is going to happen next summer in South Africa.

Here's a small example of the joy the world finds in this sport:
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epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2009, 04:20 PM
Qualified Nations:

From CONCACAF:
USA
Mexico
Honduras

SureShot
10-23-2009, 04:21 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e3/DFBEagle.svg/210px-DFBEagle.svg.png

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2009, 04:23 PM
From Europe:
Denmark
Germany
Switzerland
Slovakia
Netherlands
England
Serbia
Spain
Italy

From Africa:
South Africa
Ivory Coast
Ghana

From South America:
Brazil
Chile
Paraguay
Argentina

From Asia:
Japan
South Korea
North Korea
Australia

ludo21
10-23-2009, 04:53 PM
Onyewu getting hurt is bad news for the USA... I had high hopes for him, but with that injury he probably wont be full strength next summer..

Davies is a big loss as well, but i think he will back, any news there?

The Joker
10-23-2009, 05:03 PM
Two games away from going to the World Cup.

Unfortunately, those two games are against France.

TheDave
10-23-2009, 05:07 PM
This is going to be a long Bye week...

FantomForce
10-23-2009, 08:24 PM
I can seriously not wait. I lived in Chile for a while and it was a whole new experience to see how crazy the rest of the world is with soccer. I then spent time in BA, in Argentina, I do have a great appreciation for the sport and cannot wait for the World Cup

KevinJames
10-23-2009, 08:57 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e3/DFBEagle.svg/210px-DFBEagle.svg.png

!Booya!

atomicbloke
10-23-2009, 09:14 PM
I feel for Costa Rica. To be a few seconds from making the World Cup and have it snatched away, must be gut-wrenching.

I do not think Costa Rica will be able to hold off Uruguay, who have just too much firepower.

HAT
10-23-2009, 09:18 PM
Bring it on.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/bloodylamer/bastardly-photos/0505/album23/2006-world-cup-girls06130607.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/bloodylamer/bastardly-photos/0505/album23/2006-world-cup-girls06130613.jpg

http://www.soccernet.com/IMAGES/AH/bust0617_e.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d104/ankilien/brazilg242x3504nz.jpg

http://www.corriere.it/gallery/Extra/2006/germania06/germania06/germania06/tifo/ARGE.jpg

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5701518_7_1.jpg

hookemhess
10-23-2009, 10:29 PM
My contribution to this thread:

http://www.break.com/pictures/25-hottest-soccer-babes-from-around-the-world.html

Rocket 7
10-23-2009, 10:36 PM
My contribution to this thread:

http://www.break.com/pictures/25-hottest-soccer-babes-from-around-the-world.html

If Esperanza Gomez isn't in the list. It's a false list.

broncocalijohn
10-23-2009, 10:51 PM
HAT brought pics, very nice. You guys are talking about something that isnt happening until next summer? Is this the week I start the 2010 All Star Game for Major League Baseball?

Natedog24
10-23-2009, 11:23 PM
Onyewu getting hurt is bad news for the USA... I had high hopes for him, but with that injury he probably wont be full strength next summer..

Davies is a big loss as well, but i think he will back, any news there?

No way Davies is back in time for South Africa barring some kind of miracle...


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/10/soccer-world-cup-charlie-davies.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/10/soccer-world-cup-charlie-davies.html)

I don't have a link for Onyewu but last I heard it is expected to take 6 months to fully recover from his knee injury. That really doesn't leave a realistic amount of time for him to get back into the shape in time for the WC so I expect the US will be without both Davies and Onyewu for South Africa 2010. Really disappointing :(....

Muddled
10-24-2009, 02:31 AM
Just odd that Denmark qualified, beating out Portugal and Sweden with a team of scrubs, our team is arguably the worst it's been in my lifetime, only 3 elite players, the best of which is permanently injured (Agger), and maybe 5 or 6 solid internationals, 3 of them permanently injured as well (Jesper Grønkjær, Daniel Jensen and Thomas Kahlenberg), but hey, a solid goalkeeper (Thomas Sørensen), an elite central defense (Simon Kjær who has come out of nowhere, 2 years ago he couldn't get on the field in Denmark, now he's tearing up the serie A and Agger when he isn't injured), elite Def mid (Poulsen) and a gamechanging striker (Bendtner) can get you far. Rest of the team is pretty much scrubs though, though some have performed admirably.

Btw, Feilhaber is tearing it up here, a joy to watch, pairing up with one of the aforementioned scrubs Jacob Poulsen, who scored the decisive goal against Sweden to clinch qualification, to form the best midfield tandem in the league.

Jens1893
10-24-2009, 02:35 AM
This might be the first time someone has ever referred to Bendtner as a gamechanging striker.

Muddled
10-24-2009, 02:38 AM
He has been for Denmark and mind you, he's still young, and already a semi regular for Arsenal, guy's an ass, but he'll be a solid player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQFSLr_Mhy4&feature=related

cdabroncofan
10-24-2009, 03:02 AM
Forza azzurri

DHallblows
10-24-2009, 11:05 AM
Forza azzurri

They encompass everything that makes Americans hate soccer. Too bad...

Bronco Boy
10-24-2009, 11:09 AM
No France this time round? Sacrebleu!

crawdad
10-24-2009, 11:11 AM
Soccer is for pussies who can't play football! Just my opinion!

eddie mac
10-24-2009, 11:18 AM
Soccer is for pussies who can't play football! Just my opinion!

Football is the name of the game, soccer is just what you've been brought up to call it on your side of this globe.

PRBronco
10-24-2009, 11:20 AM
How's the Netherlands squad looking? My gf is Dutch and world soccer tournaments are the only time she shows any interest in sports, so I like to get oranje with her and encourage it :D

crawdad
10-24-2009, 11:24 AM
Football is the name of the game, soccer is just what you've been brought up to call it on your side of this globe.

Like I said, it is just my opinion. I don't get in to soccer but I like baseball and many people can't stand to watch or listen to baseball. I do like the soccer babes though! HOT!!:devil:

eddie mac
10-24-2009, 11:28 AM
How's the Netherlands squad looking? My gf is Dutch and world soccer tournaments are the only time she shows any interest in sports, so I like to get oranje with her and encourage it :D

Qualified with ease and IMO will be one of the favourites going in along with.

Brazil, Argentina (even though they struggled to qualify), Spain, Italy, Germany and England.

My outsider this time is Ivory Coast who have the likes of the Toure brothers (Man City and Barca) and Drogba and Kalou (from Chelsea).

eddie mac
10-24-2009, 11:32 AM
Like I said, it is just my opinion. I don't get in to soccer but I like baseball and many people can't stand to watch or listen to baseball. I do like the soccer babes though! HOT!!:devil:

Yeah, each to their own, but football or soccer has been a global game since before the first World Cup nearly 80 years ago. I love the NFL but have never really got into baseball, but both games have only become global over the last 10-15 years fan wise but I dont think either game will ever become truly global from a playing perspective.

cdabroncofan
10-24-2009, 11:52 AM
They encompass everything that makes Americans hate soccer. Too bad...

What do you mean?

DHallblows
10-24-2009, 12:19 PM
What do you mean?

Flopping and little offense.

BlaK-Argentina
10-24-2009, 01:45 PM
Flopping and little offense.

Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE uses flopping in soccer. If you're going to hold that against them...

And they may have little offense but always great defense and they win when they have to. I'll actually be rooting for them this next World Cup.

There's no way I'm cheering for my country. I don't care what anyone thinks. Maradona is a POS and Argentina will not make it past the first round. Not even the players give a **** about playing for the team. I didn't want them to qualify and I can't wait to see them get embarassed. And I'm not the only one that thinks this way.

But whatever, I don't even know if I'll watch the cup. Soccer (football, whatever) bores me to no end.

atomicbloke
10-24-2009, 01:58 PM
Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE uses flopping in soccer. If you're going to hold that against them...

And they may have little offense but always great defense and they win when they have to. I'll actually be rooting for them this next World Cup.

There's no way I'm cheering for my country. I don't care what anyone thinks. Maradona is a POS and Argentina will not make it past the first round. Not even the players give a **** about playing for the team. I didn't want them to qualify and I can't wait to see them get embarassed. And I'm not the only one that thinks this way.

But whatever, I don't even know if I'll watch the cup. Soccer (football, whatever) bores me to no end.

But THE belly-flop was one for the ages :thumbs:

Seriously, they are my favorite team (after USA), and I wish Maradona is fired and Bilardo takes over. Or Pekerman is recalled.

What's the general sentiment among the people down there? Maradona hinted at the presser that the media hate him but the people love him. Is that true? I can't imagine. How can the knowledgeable gauchos forgive his hare-brained coaching to date, when even us soccer-illiterate yanks can see that he is in way over his head.....

Houshyamama
10-24-2009, 02:09 PM
Can't stop playing FIFA 10. Much more fun than Madden 10 to me.

Pumped for the World Cup. While the Super Bowl is my favorite "championship", the World Cup is definitely a strong second. In a global sense it is at least 10x as important as the Super Bowl.

BlaK-Argentina
10-24-2009, 02:10 PM
But THE belly-flop was one for the ages :thumbs:

Seriously, they are my favorite team (after USA), and I wish Maradona is fired and Bilardo takes over. Or Pekerman is recalled.

What's the general sentiment among the people down there? Maradona hinted at the presser that the media hate him but the people love him. Is that true? I can't imagine. How can the knowledgeable gauchos forgive his hare-brained coaching to date, when even us soccer-illiterate yanks can see that he is in way over his head.....

It's pretty divided. There's the "Maradona is God and he can do no wrong" crowd and the "**** Maradona we should have never fired Bielsa" or whatever crowd. There's a loooot of people that don't care for Maradona anymore and the way he acted in that presser was absolutely atrocious. Never seen anything like it before but doesn't surprise me that this fatass is the first one to say something like that.

Of course, what he did with the team has pissed off everyone even if they won't admit it. This is the worst Argentina team to qualify, probably ever. Maradona can't even figure out how to use Messi.

I liked Pekerman and found it easy to root for him. Bilardo I don't like. He actually holds a lot of the blame for what Maradona does.

People aren't even happy that they qualified because they know they're going to get their asses kicked. Me, I can't wait. I want to see Maradona go down in flames and I want the media to make him eat his words, one by one. (I'm guessing you heard what he said to them? "I'm into gay sex. I'm looking for a partner. Interested??" -ok what the hell? it keeps changing what I write! :spit:-, "You should all just continue to suck it", "I ****ed you all", etc. just because he qualified and the media was critical of the team, and rightfully so)

cdabroncofan
10-24-2009, 03:16 PM
Flopping and little offense.

Beside there 4 world cups it doesn't say they were boring

DHallblows
10-24-2009, 09:08 PM
Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE uses flopping in soccer. If you're going to hold that against them...

And they may have little offense but always great defense and they win when they have to. I'll actually be rooting for them this next World Cup.

I know everyone flops in soccer...I've watched more than 2 games ROFL!
I suppose it's hard to explain to someone from Argentina that not every country uses flopping as a twelfth man. Just South American and

Beside there 4 world cups it doesn't say they were boring

Winning World Cups doesn't mean they were boring as **** doing it...

atomicbloke
10-24-2009, 09:16 PM
Flopping in soccer is no different than nefarious tactics in all sports that teams will use to gain a competitive advantage.

In professional sports teams will always look for a way to gain a competitive advantage by pushing the rules to the limit.

Flopping is not different from:

Whining to the refs about flags after the play in football

False appealing in cricket to confuse the umpire

Whining about every call to the ref in basketball....

Flopping is definitely bad for the game, and is against the spirit of good competition, but it is not different from similar infractions in all competitive spheres of life, not just sport....

epicSocialism4tw
10-24-2009, 09:27 PM
Just odd that Denmark qualified, beating out Portugal and Sweden with a team of scrubs, our team is arguably the worst it's been in my lifetime, only 3 elite players, the best of which is permanently injured (Agger), and maybe 5 or 6 solid internationals, 3 of them permanently injured as well (Jesper Grønkjær, Daniel Jensen and Thomas Kahlenberg), but hey, a solid goalkeeper (Thomas Sørensen), an elite central defense (Simon Kjær who has come out of nowhere, 2 years ago he couldn't get on the field in Denmark, now he's tearing up the serie A and Agger when he isn't injured), elite Def mid (Poulsen) and a gamechanging striker (Bendtner) can get you far. Rest of the team is pretty much scrubs though, though some have performed admirably.

Btw, Feilhaber is tearing it up here, a joy to watch, pairing up with one of the aforementioned scrubs Jacob Poulsen, who scored the decisive goal against Sweden to clinch qualification, to form the best midfield tandem in the league.


I'm a big fan of Feilhaber. The youngster has a complete offensive game, some speed, and a real competitive streak to go along with his great understading of what happens on the field and where he needs to put the ball to unlock a defense.

Feilhaber is my pick for US "unexpected hero" in this World Cup. He'll be the late ball-control sub .

UberBroncoMan
10-24-2009, 09:33 PM
Christ those Hondurans sounded like they were being eaten alive by pigs.

DHallblows
10-25-2009, 12:07 AM
Flopping in soccer is no different than nefarious tactics in all sports that teams will use to gain a competitive advantage.

In professional sports teams will always look for a way to gain a competitive advantage by pushing the rules to the limit.

Flopping is not different from:

Whining to the refs about flags after the play in football

False appealing in cricket to confuse the umpire

Whining about every call to the ref in basketball....

Flopping is definitely bad for the game, and is against the spirit of good competition, but it is not different from similar infractions in all competitive spheres of life, not just sport....

I literally have no idea what this means, won't lie

atomicbloke
10-25-2009, 12:13 AM
I literally have no idea what this means, won't lie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australia_vs_India.jpg

DHallblows
10-25-2009, 12:21 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australia_vs_India.jpg

Ok, "NO idea" may have been a bit much. I know what the game of cricket is. Gimme some credit...

Jens1893
10-25-2009, 06:43 AM
Of course, what he did with the team has pissed off everyone even if they won't admit it. This is the worst Argentina team to qualify, probably ever. Maradona can't even figure out how to use Messi.

Recently saw an article here about Argentina´s struggles here before the game against Peru and they tried to make a point that not all of Argentina´s struggles are down to Maradona, despite some fairly bizarre choices (my favourite was brining on a 36 year old center half in Schiavi his international debut and taking off Aguero while being 1 down in Asuncion)

Their basic points were

- Argentina doesn´t have many players between 25-30 except for Maxi Rodriguez and Lucho Gonzalez ... most of their stars are either really young or really old. The mix isn´t right.

- They have far too many similar players and an embarrasment of riches in some position and pretty much nothing in others. They have tons and tons of small, skillful and agile strikers in Aguero, Tevez, Messi, Di Maria, Zarate and tons of modern defensive midfielders in Gago, Cambiasso, Mascherano, Banega, but lack a true center forward, center halves and fullbacks. This is mostly down to Argentinian clubs focusing on developing players who can they sell for a profit and the Albiceleste is struggling because of it.

- They have struggled to find a replacement for Roberto Ayala as the backbone of their back 4.

Do you think they have a point?

ludo21
11-18-2009, 01:29 PM
Algeria qualified today.

Ireland battling France (I love Keane, one of my favorite players).

of course USA lost 3-1. They are pretty bad without Donovan

The Joker
11-18-2009, 01:30 PM
Come the **** on Ireland!!

Atwater His Ass
11-18-2009, 01:31 PM
USA is pretty bad period. But I don't want to **** this thread up with moaning about how Bradley is pissing away our best pool of talent ever.

Rock Chalk
11-18-2009, 01:36 PM
Football is the name of the game, soccer is just what you've been brought up to call it on your side of this globe.

Our side of the globe is the only one that matters.

missingnumber7
11-18-2009, 01:38 PM
Football is the name of the game, soccer is just what you've been brought up to call it on your side of this globe.

Well take your Futball and stay on the other side of the world then.

The Joker
11-18-2009, 01:47 PM
Champ Bailey comes on for France.

BlaK-Argentina
11-18-2009, 02:10 PM
I hate France. I'm pulling for Ireland here.

BlaK-Argentina
11-18-2009, 02:11 PM
Of course, just as I posted that France scores.

Bronco LB52
11-18-2009, 02:13 PM
The World Cup is a great event, but all soccer fans here should post elsewhere on the topic because the thread starter is a big douche.

HAT
11-18-2009, 02:40 PM
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Rocket 7
11-18-2009, 02:50 PM
http://blog.turntablelab.com/sexy_soccer_fans_37.jpg

:

This chick is pretty damn hot

vancejohnson82
11-18-2009, 02:53 PM
ireland just lost a heartbreaker in the qualifiers

which means we get to see dumb ass france in there again

epicSocialism4tw
11-18-2009, 03:03 PM
ireland just lost a heartbreaker in the qualifiers

which means we get to see dumb ass france in there again

It sucks for everyone. France's goal was scored on a hand ball. Weak stuff.

vancejohnson82
11-18-2009, 03:14 PM
yea, that goal was crap....

atomicbloke
11-18-2009, 03:47 PM
Uruguay - Costa Rica is turning out to be a real heart stopper.... frenctic pace with both teams going back and forth.....

OBF1
11-18-2009, 04:01 PM
GREECE baby

epicSocialism4tw
11-18-2009, 11:51 PM
Uruguay - Costa Rica is turning out to be a real heart stopper.... frenctic pace with both teams going back and forth.....

I only saw the first 10 minutes or so. What happened?

I laughed to myself when people disregarded Costa Rica in that matchup. They have some skilled players on that team and everyone who wears their shirt is an outstanding athlete.

I figured that Uruguay would win, but not without a struggle. Costa Rica could have easily advanced.

epicSocialism4tw
11-19-2009, 12:12 AM
USA is pretty bad period. But I don't want to **** this thread up with moaning about how Bradley is pissing away our best pool of talent ever.

The US are certainly not bad. They may not be great, but describing them as "bad" is just hypercynical hyperbole.

I agree about Bradley being a questionable coach, but he earned the right to drive the ship through 2010 after his results in qualifying and in the Confed Cup. Bradley's team was a nats butt away from defeating Brazil in a Cup final.

I wouldnt say that this is the best collection of US talent either...that would be the 2002 squad. I think that US fans tend to underrate that squad. Captain America Reyna (Sunderland), Johnny O (Ajax), young McBride , young Donovan, young Beasley, Berrhalter (Crystal Palace), Sanneh (Nuremburg), Eddie Lewis (Fulham), Earnie Stewart (NAC Breda), Joe-Max Moore (Everton), Heydude Hejduk (Leverkusen), the great Kasey Keller (Tottenham), and the all-time-masta-stoppa Brad "He looks like a big German" Friedel (Blackburn). There were other stalwarts on that team as well that may not have cracked a top-flight, but showed up and played with courage for the US: Cobi "the pinata" Jones, Jeff "How 'bout that own goal?" Agoos, Pablo Mastroeni, Eddie Pope, Tony Meola, Josh Wolff, and Cletus Mathis.

That team was like a who's who of the best players to come out of the US. Put Dooley, Tab Ramos, and a few of this group in there and you have the all-time US team.

DHallblows
11-19-2009, 12:33 AM
The US are certainly not bad. They may not be great, but describing them as "bad" is just hypercynical hyperbole.

I agree about Bradley being a questionable coach, but he earned the right to drive the ship through 2010 after his results in qualifying and in the Confed Cup. Bradley's team was a nats butt away from defeating Brazil in a Cup final.

I wouldnt say that this is the best collection of US talent either...that would be the 2002 squad. I think that US fans tend to underrate that squad. Captain America Reyna (Sunderland), Johnny O (Ajax), young McBride , young Donovan, young Beasley, Berrhalter (Crystal Palace), Sanneh (Nuremburg), Eddie Lewis (Fulham), Earnie Stewart (NAC Breda), Joe-Max Moore (Everton), Heydude Hejduk (Leverkusen), the great Kasey Keller (Tottenham), and the all-time-masta-stoppa Brad "He looks like a big German" Friedel (Blackburn). There were other stalwarts on that team as well that may not have cracked a top-flight, but showed up and played with courage for the US: Cobi "the pinata" Jones, Jeff "How 'bout that own goal?" Agoos, Pablo Mastroeni, Eddie Pope, Tony Meola, Josh Wolff, and Cletus Mathis.

That team was like a who's who of the best players to come out of the US. Put Dooley, Tab Ramos, and a few of this group in there and you have the all-time US team.

Good, someone pointed that out for me :thumbsup: We're fine, don't get me wrong but not the best we've had...not with the starting forwards we currently field

epicSocialism4tw
11-19-2009, 12:59 AM
Good, someone pointed that out for me :thumbsup: We're fine, don't get me wrong but not the best we've had...not with the starting forwards we currently field

Out of the current US squad, I would say that this year's Landon Donovan is the best US player ever to step on a pitch. Dempsey is good enough to have warrented playing time on the wing for that 2002 team.

Onyewu is probably the best center back we have produced. He would have started on that team. Boca would also play some minutes. Jozy wouldnt see the field, and Davies probably would have been a situational sub. As for everyone else, I think that only Bradley would have a chance to step in and play. Between the two rosters, I would go:

.....McBride.....
Donovan.....Dempsey
John O'Brien....Reyna.....Beasley
Berrhalter...Onyewu...Boca...Sanneh
Friedel

fontaine
11-19-2009, 01:41 AM
Mother****ing, cock sucking, ******, ass hole french surrender monkeys cheated Ireland with that limp dick goal.

Henry the Cheat.

Atwater His Ass
11-19-2009, 02:42 AM
The US are certainly not bad. They may not be great, but describing them as "bad" is just hypercynical hyperbole.

I agree about Bradley being a questionable coach, but he earned the right to drive the ship through 2010 after his results in qualifying and in the Confed Cup. Bradley's team was a nats butt away from defeating Brazil in a Cup final.

I wouldnt say that this is the best collection of US talent either...that would be the 2002 squad. I think that US fans tend to underrate that squad. Captain America Reyna (Sunderland), Johnny O (Ajax), young McBride , young Donovan, young Beasley, Berrhalter (Crystal Palace), Sanneh (Nuremburg), Eddie Lewis (Fulham), Earnie Stewart (NAC Breda), Joe-Max Moore (Everton), Heydude Hejduk (Leverkusen), the great Kasey Keller (Tottenham), and the all-time-masta-stoppa Brad "He looks like a big German" Friedel (Blackburn). There were other stalwarts on that team as well that may not have cracked a top-flight, but showed up and played with courage for the US: Cobi "the pinata" Jones, Jeff "How 'bout that own goal?" Agoos, Pablo Mastroeni, Eddie Pope, Tony Meola, Josh Wolff, and Cletus Mathis.

That team was like a who's who of the best players to come out of the US. Put Dooley, Tab Ramos, and a few of this group in there and you have the all-time US team.

I disagree. This imo is by far the best pool of talent the US team has ever had. Half the guys you lasted were either has beens or never was. I won't undervalue the effect they had on progressing soccer, but most of them were just mediocre players on the world stage at best.

When I say the US is bad, I'm referring to the pissing away of the talent by the US federation and Bradley. Bradley has no business coaching at the national team level. Period. The federation is too cheap to go out and get a proven international coach, which is what this team needs. They need someone to show them what it means to compete at the highest level and how to deal with the top flight teams from Europe and South America.

You reference the confederations cup. The US lucked out to even get out of its group. They played a good game against Spain, so I'll give credit there. But they were completely embarrassed by Brazil 2x and Italy and like I said, required massive help in addition to beating Egypt to even sniff a shot at advancing. The only thing that touranment provided was a little momentum by playing in a FIFA tournament (even one that means nothing) final.

Then they proceeded to blow all that momentum away by getting torched by Mexico in consecutative matches.

With Bradley at the helm, and the US refusing to take on any sort of soccer style or seem to have any sort of tactics during a match, I don't expect anything out of 2010. I will be absolutely shocked if the US advances from group play in the WC.

The Joker
11-19-2009, 03:39 AM
I think you guys overrate the level of talent in the US squad at the moment.

Friedel is the only really top quality player the US have, most of the squad are pretty marginal players. There's decent depth, but no real individual difference makers there to make the team tick.

That referee from the Ireland match last night needs to be shot by the way.

Rausch 2.0
11-19-2009, 03:44 AM
I think you guys overrate the level of talent in the US squad at the moment.


Wow.

World cup play.

OVERRATING THE US TALENT.

How exactly does that ****ing happen?...Uhh

JJG
11-19-2009, 07:20 AM
That referee from the Ireland match last night needs to be shot by the way.

Thats not cool when it could actually happen.

The Joker
11-19-2009, 07:24 AM
Thats not cool when it could actually happen.

In theory, anybody could be shot at any time.

So technically you have a point.

DenverBrit
11-19-2009, 08:13 AM
GREECE baby

How about OILED Baby?

http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/showhype/story_large/2009/01/20/candicemichelle.jpg

ludo21
11-19-2009, 09:17 AM
I like Tim Howard better than Friedel at the moment as well.

This team we have is solid, and I think we can go far depending on the draw.

DHallblows
11-19-2009, 11:04 AM
I'm really surprised people are so high on the US team right now. Landon, Clint, Gooch, Tim, Carlos and Cherundolo are the only players I'm not ashamed to watch when we play good teams from Europe...so that's hardly half a team we're fielding with quality talent, the rest are MLS talent-level players.

Dagmar
11-19-2009, 11:15 AM
The Irish have written to FIFA requesting a replay.

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epicSocialism4tw
11-19-2009, 11:20 AM
I'm really surprised people are so high on the US team right now. Landon, Clint, Gooch, Tim, Carlos and Cherundolo are the only players I'm not ashamed to watch when we play good teams from Europe...so that's hardly half a team we're fielding with quality talent, the rest are MLS talent-level players.

I disagree with what youre saying about the rest of the players in the pool. Some of the young players on the team are very interesting. Feilhaber is a smart, effective distributing midfielder. Holden will play in Europe, its only a matter of time...how he does over there is anyone's guess though. Gringo Torres is an excellent distributing midfielder for Pachuca and hasnt really been given a chance to show that for the US. Jozy could develop into a punishing striker even though it seems he's digressing a little at the moment.

Muddled
11-19-2009, 11:24 AM
The Irish have written to FIFA requesting a replay.

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http://shinymedia.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/henrylolzs3de3_1.jpg


Normally I'm all against protesting a result, but did you see that goal? Offside plus Henry handballed not once but ****ing twice, just unreal how that goal was allowed to stand. And along with the odd seeding system for the playoff FIFA suddenly made up when faced with the possibility of a Portugal-France matchup, there's plenty of room for conspiracy theorists

epicSocialism4tw
11-19-2009, 11:27 AM
Normally I'm all against protesting a result, but did you see that goal? Offside plus Henry handballed not once but ****ing twice, just unreal how that goal was allowed to stand. And along with the odd seeding system for the playoff FIFA suddenly made up when faced with the possibility of a Portugal-France matchup, there's plenty of room for conspiracy theorists

Its time for FIFA to join the rest of the world and put greater scrutiny on the officiating. That means instant replay and goalposts with sensors.

ludo21
11-19-2009, 11:36 AM
I wouldnt mind a replay at all. Ireland got screwed and missing the WC for something like that is unfair IMO.

I too think Felhaber is a great Mid. and Altidore is 19 and has played very well against tough comp. ala the Confed. Cup. I think if this team is firing on all cylinders they have a real chance to be in the final 4 this year.

epicSocialism4tw
11-19-2009, 12:20 PM
Normally I'm all against protesting a result, but did you see that goal? Offside plus Henry handballed not once but ****ing twice, just unreal how that goal was allowed to stand. And along with the odd seeding system for the playoff FIFA suddenly made up when faced with the possibility of a Portugal-France matchup, there's plenty of room for conspiracy theorists

The game should be replayed.

I'm still ticked over the US/Germany quarterfinal in 2002. The German defender clearly made an intentional hand ball on the goal line to disallow Berrhalter's well-earned goal.

Germany had no business going through after that game. The US dominated the game in all thirds, the Germans scored a nice goal against the run of play, and then they could only keep the US from scoring by committing an egregious handball on the goal line.

There should have been only two outcomes from that play:
1) The ref Hugh Dallas allows the goal
2) A straight red for the German defender and a US penalty kick.

Either outcome makes it likely that the US advances to the semifinal.

Robbed.

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DHallblows
11-19-2009, 12:35 PM
I disagree with what youre saying about the rest of the players in the pool. Some of the young players on the team are very interesting. Feilhaber is a smart, effective distributing midfielder. Holden will play in Europe, its only a matter of time...how he does over there is anyone's guess though. Gringo Torres is an excellent distributing midfielder for Pachuca and hasnt really been given a chance to show that for the US. Jozy could develop into a punishing striker even though it seems he's digressing a little at the moment.

I'm not saying we don't have young talent with potential. Just that right now there's only six to seven (I did forget about Benny, I've enjoyed what he's been bring to the table lately) men on the team that are quality players, a couple serviceable ones and then whatever 2 bodies we feel like throwing out there at forward that day. I really really hope Jozy becomes the player he has the potential to be, but right now I'd be happy with advancing out of the group stage. Especially with injuries. Final 4 is foolish thinking barring an unforeseen miracle run

The Joker
11-19-2009, 02:17 PM
I'm Irish, and even I know you can't go replaying the game because of a referee mistake, monumental as that mistake may have been.

It sucks and if I ever see Thierry Henry his balls will be introduced to the sole of my foot, but all you can do is suck it up and move along.

Soccer is corrupt as hell anyway. The president of FIFA actually introduced seeding for the playoff draw about two weeks before they were about to take place, and only because France and Portugal were struggling to win their groups. God forbid they face each other in a knockout game while another "lesser" nation gets an easier game.

Atwater His Ass
11-19-2009, 02:39 PM
I think you guys overrate the level of talent in the US squad at the moment.

Friedel is the only really top quality player the US have, most of the squad are pretty marginal players. There's decent depth, but no real individual difference makers there to make the team tick.

That referee from the Ireland match last night needs to be shot by the way.

Friedel is retired from international football.

When I say the US talent is better than ever before, that is obviously a relative observation looking at US soccer only. No one is going to come in here and say the US has the ability to compete with the top tier clubs strictly based on talent.

The US also dosen't have much depth outside of the starting XI. The starting XI is above average and with the right coaching could stop embarassing themselves with lackluster, directionless soccer.

Outside of those guys, there is very little depth to the US team. Left/Right Back, a playmaking centeral midfielder, quality wingers and strikers...The US just doesn't have the luxory of having a ton of guys to fill those spots. There is a pretty big drop off in talent after the top 13-14 players.

Injuries to Onewyu and Davies are absolutely crippling to this team. I don't think we'll see either playing in the WC. Davies for obvious reasons, and I don't think Onewyu will get any time with Milan and that's assuming he's able to get fit in time in the first place. I just don't see how a guy coming off a serious injury, not getting club time, and with 1-2 months only to play before the WC becomes our main centeral defender. Maybe if Milan is willing to loan him out somewhere to get minutes.

Also, Ireland got screwed. Not sure why people are all up in arms about Henry though. It's not his fault that the refs missed the call. You do anything to win and if you get away with it, well, good for you. This is no different than a guy taking a blatant dive in the box who then gets awarded a penalty.

Rohirrim
11-19-2009, 02:51 PM
Go Irish!

Dagmar
11-20-2009, 06:28 AM
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01008/thierry_henry_1008316c.jpg


FIFA has today, 20 November 2009, replied to the request made by the Football Association of Ireland (FAI) to replay the 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa™ play-off match held on 18 November 2009 between France and the Republic of Ireland in Paris.

In the reply, FIFA states that the result of the match cannot be changed and the match cannot be replayed. As is clearly mentioned in the Laws of the Game, during matches, decisions are taken by the referee and these decisions are final.

All joking aside if I was Irish I'd be absolutely enraged.

Dat Fockin' Cheetin' Bahsterd!!!!

Dagmar
11-20-2009, 06:29 AM
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gyldenlove
11-20-2009, 08:39 AM
France just needs to start a bloody civil war and split into several smaller states, then they won't be allowed to play in the FIFA world cup and Ireland will get their spot instead and win.

It worked for Denmark in 92 when Yugoslavia couldn't go to the European cup in Sweden.

atomicbloke
11-20-2009, 10:01 AM
France just needs to start a bloody civil war and split into several smaller states, then they won't be allowed to play in the FIFA world cup and Ireland will get their spot instead and win.

It worked for Denmark in 92 when Yugoslavia couldn't go to the European cup in Sweden.

Yup the Danish were the most undeserving winners of an European championship ever.

Muddled
11-20-2009, 10:13 AM
Yup the Danish were the most undeserving winners of an European championship ever.

How on earth do you measure that? Not like we started the Yugo civil war or even for them to be banned from it, quite the contrary, all the players had gone on vacation, and joined the Euro at zero notice, and had one of the most memorable cup runs ever, with all the drama and humour of a Hollywood epic.

They admitted to celebrating every win with drink and fun, midfield ace Kim Vilfort (who scored the second goal in the final) flew to Denmark between every game to be with his dying daughter, about every single player struggled with injuries throughout the tournament, highlighted by Henrik Andersen's horrific knee injury which Van Basten later admitted was the scariest thing he ever saw and which ended a very promising career, and we beat ****ing Germany in the final. It was epic.

It was an alround team effort and a victory for everything that's noble in sports, with a little help from 2 of the most talented footballers ever (Peter Schmeichel and Brian Laudrup, Michael Laudrup had quit the national team in protest of the coach).

(rant over)

atomicbloke
11-20-2009, 10:21 AM
How on earth do you measure that? Not like we started the Yugo civil war or even for them to be banned from it, quite the contrary, all the players had gone on vacation, and joined the Euro at zero notice, and had one of the most memorable cup runs ever, with all the drama and humour of a Hollywood epic.

They admitted to celebrating every win with drink and fun, midfield ace Kim Vilfort (who scored the second goal in the final) flew to Denmark between every game to be with his dying daughter, about every single player struggled with injuries throughout the tournament, highlighted by Henrik Andersen's horrific knee injury which Van Basten later admitted was the scariest thing he ever saw and which ended a very promising career, and we beat ****ing Germany in the final. It was epic.

It was an alround team effort and a victory for everything that's noble in sports, with a little help from 2 of the most talented footballers ever (Peter Schmeichel and Brian Laudrup, Michael Laudrup had quit the national team in protest of the coach).

(rant over)

It was a very memorable and entertaining run no doubt.

But just like Greece in 2004, it was just a fluke.... not that there is anything wrong with it...

But Denmark will never be considered an elite team like other Euro powers like Netherlands and Germany... in fact Denmark will always struggle to beat a South American side outside of Europe....

Ok... damn... i'll admit its a rant... I grew up in the Netherlands, and I still can't get over the fact that the Dutch outplayed the Danes over 120 minutes and went out on penalties... screw you Van Basten....

Muddled
11-20-2009, 10:27 AM
Beating France, Holland and Germany consecutively to lift the cup, I'd hardly call it a fluke, and I don't quite remember the semifinal that way, but then again I was 13 and very very partial :-D

Here's a pic of that injury btw, not the best angle, but still gives me goosebumps, I remember John 'Faxe' Jensen coming over and just losing it, pointing his finger at the knee and just screaming and Van Basten walking away just shaking his head in horror and disbelief

http://www.dr.dk/NR/rdonlyres/FE71DD79-AC39-47D4-87D9-4950927F7573/664265/4d8b639452194e72bbd3e5f31fc8a406_199911041823171.j pg

atomicbloke
11-20-2009, 10:45 AM
Beating France, Holland and Germany consecutively to lift the cup, I'd hardly call it a fluke, and I don't quite remember the semifinal that way, but then again I was 13 and very very partial :-D

Here's a pic of that injury btw, not the best angle, but still gives me goosebumps, I remember John 'Faxe' Jensen coming over and just losing it, pointing his finger at the knee and just screaming and Van Basten walking away just shaking his head in horror and disbelief

http://www.dr.dk/NR/rdonlyres/FE71DD79-AC39-47D4-87D9-4950927F7573/664265/4d8b639452194e72bbd3e5f31fc8a406_199911041823171.j pg

Damn... thats scary.... I remember that too.... I was 12 then, and couldn't believe the way that game turned out.... I guess the Danes sneaked up behind a lot of teams....

gyldenlove
11-20-2009, 12:58 PM
The good thing about the Euro championships is that there are no bad teams, so if the big teams beat up on each other you can sneak through to the final and do some damage, Denmark in 92, Czechs in 96 and Greece in 04.

At the World cup there are too many poor teams for the smaller nations to sneak through, you just have to win too many games and since you don't get the seeding for the round robin you have to beat some good teams.

Elite teams are so interchangable, Sweden was a powerhouse 15 years ago, but now they can't even get to the playoffs, Portugal was a surprise team at the 96 Euros, but now they are a powerhouse. Spain used to be a bit of a joke but as defending Euro champions I bet most people would name them in the world top 5.

Germany and Italy are really the only consistent teams, even Holland, France and England have been borderline poor teams recently.

Natedogg
11-20-2009, 05:38 PM
Don't want to hijack, but here's blog post I wrote for my work today related to World Cup 78 in Argentina...

Take a gander if you're bored...

http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/1978-world-cup-in-argentina-1/

SJ Bronco
11-20-2009, 07:55 PM
I am Irish....(1/2) and i must say...i got over it quickly....

atomicbloke
11-20-2009, 08:51 PM
Don't want to hijack, but here's blog post I wrote for my work today related to World Cup 78 in Argentina...

Take a gander if you're bored...

http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/1978-world-cup-in-argentina-1/

work?

what do you do? Are you an intelligence journalist?

Natedogg
11-21-2009, 12:13 AM
work?

what do you do? Are you an intelligence journalist?

Work at the National Security Archive. We use FOIA law to fight to get secret documents declassified and then publish and analyze them.

I'm just a lowly blogger.

Cleo McDowell
11-21-2009, 04:04 AM
Korea (South). Giant Killers!

http://footieblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/World%20Cup%20Korean%2001.jpg

atomicbloke
11-21-2009, 09:14 AM
Work at the National Security Archive. We use FOIA law to fight to get secret documents declassified and then publish and analyze them.

I'm just a lowly blogger.

Wow. Sounds interesting.

SJ Bronco
11-21-2009, 11:13 AM
http://footieblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/World%20Cup%20Korean%2001.jpg

She's some sort of pop star and model over in asia. She's so damn hot she almost melted my screen...

Arkie
11-21-2009, 12:28 PM
Three Lions on a shirt...

best football song
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Cleo McDowell
11-21-2009, 10:35 PM
http://footieblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/World%20Cup%20Korean%2001.jpg

She's some sort of pop star and model over in asia. She's so damn hot she almost melted my screen...

She bacame a star after these pictures in 2002 as Ms World Cup.

She's hot, but there are plenty hotter where that came from.. I'd consider her middle of the pack compared to the popstar chicks here...

ludo21
12-04-2009, 09:00 AM
Draw is on about now!!!

eddie mac
12-04-2009, 10:10 AM
England with the USA in Group C. First game in that Group

ludo21
12-04-2009, 10:11 AM
That will be a tough game for sure.

vancejohnson82
12-04-2009, 10:11 AM
horrible draw right off the bat

ludo21
12-04-2009, 10:14 AM
if we get Ivory coast, Im going to be pissed!!

eddie mac
12-04-2009, 10:16 AM
Algeria joins Group C with England and the USA

ludo21
12-04-2009, 10:17 AM
Algeria is good for us.

eddie mac
12-04-2009, 10:17 AM
Argentina drew Nigeria and Brazil drew Ivory Coast tough for them

Ray Finkle
12-04-2009, 10:19 AM
I think it will be a great first game....

eddie mac
12-04-2009, 10:19 AM
Italy got Paraguay, tough draw

eddie mac
12-04-2009, 10:21 AM
Group 1

South Africa
Mexico
Uruguay
France

Group 2

Argentina
Nigeria
South Korea
Greece

Group3

England
USA
Algeria
Slovenia

eddie mac
12-04-2009, 10:22 AM
That's a great draw for England and the USA

ludo21
12-04-2009, 10:23 AM
Wow, good news for us!!!

We have a great shot to win this group

ludo21
12-04-2009, 10:25 AM
At least were not N. Korea, lol.

That group is going to be insane

vancejohnson82
12-04-2009, 10:27 AM
not bad...ultimately that group will be decided on the first game

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2009, 10:32 AM
The US' group turned out to be something less-than-a-group-of-death for once.

Although, I wouldnt sleep on Slovenia, who are a well organized and talented team.

I kind of expected the US to be matched up against England in this cup...I would like to say that it was intuition, but I think that its more likely that FIFA's secret machines churned out the storyline. Beckham/US+Donovan...too good of a story to let slip by the American press.

British Bronco
12-04-2009, 10:37 AM
Great draw for the US, you should get through as runners up. Unfortunately you will probably get Germany in the next round.

eddie mac
12-04-2009, 10:38 AM
Group 4

Germany
Australia
Serbia
Ghana

Group 5

Netherlands
Denmark
Japan
Cameroon

Group 6

Italy
Paraguay
New Zealand
Slovakia

Group 7

Brazil
North Korea
Ivory Coast
Portugal

Group of Death above

Group 8

Spain
Chile
Switzerland
Honduras

atomicbloke
12-04-2009, 10:40 AM
Wow! This is a great draw! Best we could have expected after South Africa.

We should easily advance.

And possibly face Germany in the second round. Payback for 2002?

Great... I am happy.... as good a draw as could be expected!

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2009, 10:44 AM
Great draw for the US, you should get through as runners up. Unfortunately you will probably get Germany in the next round.

It'll be fun backhand slapping the Brits around. ;D Its nice that the US can count on 3 points in their first match.

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2009, 10:45 AM
Also...anyone forecasting that Germany has a cakewalk should take a little time and find out some things about Serbia. I think that Serbia wins that group with Germany or Ghana in second.

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2009, 10:55 AM
The hype leading up to US men vs. Englandwomen should make this match the most watched football game in US history.

gyldenlove
12-04-2009, 10:55 AM
When they started drawing the 4th pot I desperately wanted to avoid the Germany and Argentina groups they are the shiznit.

Holland is a very good team with good depth at all positions, Cameroun is should be renamed to Samuel Etoo and co and Japan is not what they used to be. Denmark can definitely get through this group if they play disciplined ball.

South Africa is going to need some serious dubious refereeing to move on from that group.

gyldenlove
12-04-2009, 10:57 AM
Also...anyone forecasting that Germany has a cakewalk should take a little time and find out some things about Serbia. I think that Serbia wins that group with Germany or Ghana in second.

Never bet against Germany in a cup, that is a classic mistake. Their luck is legendary.

I think Ghana takes the other playoff spot in that group, Serbia is a good team but quite narrow and Australia doesn't quite have the speed to keep up.

British Bronco
12-04-2009, 11:16 AM
Listen, i support Everton and watch Tim Howard every week... Hes a solid keeper but nothing special, and he is probably one of your best. Im confident that with Capello in charge we have a chance of winning the tournament. The support we'll have in South Africa will be massive, easily the biggest of any team, and i include the hosts in that.

Natedogg
12-04-2009, 11:19 AM
Good draw for the US.

In case you're interested here's my new blog post on Kissinger and the 78 World Cup.

“If you can control an Argentine crowd when Argentina loses, then you can say you have really solved your security problem.”



http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/1978-world-cup-in-argentina-2/

gyldenlove
12-04-2009, 11:35 AM
Listen, i support Everton and watch Tim Howard every week... Hes a solid keeper but nothing special, and he is probably one of your best. Im confident that with Capello in charge we have a chance of winning the tournament. The support we'll have in South Africa will be massive, easily the biggest of any team, and i include the hosts in that.

That has been the attitude for every single world or euro cup with English participation and aside from the stolen cup in 66 the cubby is pretty bare, maybe you should go for some slightly more attainable goals. :P

British Bronco
12-04-2009, 11:46 AM
The difference this time is Capello. Hes a genius.

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2009, 12:17 PM
Listen, i support Everton and watch Tim Howard every week... Hes a solid keeper but nothing special, and he is probably one of your best. Im confident that with Capello in charge we have a chance of winning the tournament. The support we'll have in South Africa will be massive, easily the biggest of any team, and i include the hosts in that.

Clint Dempsey will score the only goal of the match and the US will win 1-0.

gyldenlove
12-04-2009, 12:30 PM
The difference this time is Capello. Hes a genius.

Unquestionably, but have Becks been practicing his penalties?

DHallblows
12-04-2009, 01:24 PM
I'm going to ignore an Englishman calling an American goalkeeper "nothing special". But I do love the irony...

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2009, 01:33 PM
I'm going to ignore an Englishman calling an American goalkeeper "nothing special". But I do love the irony...

Get ready for a bunch of haughty, overconfident Brits to give the Americans nothing but a cold shoulder. From Capello to the hooligans in the pens of London, they'll chalk up the Americans as an easy victory. They will have learned nothing from the Spain/US game. There are some classy enough players on that team to take the US seriously, but there are also some goons who will expect to walk through that group without a challenge. England will be looking to the next round just as Portugal did in 2002.

This US team is good. They had the run of play against Italy in the Confed Cup before they were red carded....and then they still scored the first goal. European teams will continue to show them little respect and the US Nats will continue to make headlines.

atomicbloke
12-04-2009, 01:37 PM
Get ready for a bunch of haughty, overconfident Brits to give the Americans nothing but a cold shoulder. From Capello to the hooligans in the pens of London, they'll chalk up the Americans as an easy victory. They will have learned nothing from the Spain/US game. There are some classy enough players on that team to take the US seriously, but there are also some goons who will expect to walk through that group without a challenge. England will be looking to the next round just as Portugal did in 2002.

This US team is good. They had the run of play against Italy in the Confed Cup before they were red carded....and then they still scored the first goal. European teams will continue to show them little respect and the US Nats will continue to make headlines.

If Sven Goran were still in charge of England, I would have thought the same. He was a fool of the highest order.

And if they had an English manager, I would have not been so worried. the English are too stupid to coach at the big stage.

But I am really scared of Fabio Capello. He brings the Italian coaching ruthlessness to the talented English players. Think of Capello as something like our own Josh McD.... he just knows how to get the best of his players, make them outplay their talent and just win... and considering that the England players are genuinely talented, this could be the strongest England side ever.

Atwater His Ass
12-04-2009, 02:14 PM
Get ready for a bunch of haughty, overconfident Brits to give the Americans nothing but a cold shoulder. From Capello to the hooligans in the pens of London, they'll chalk up the Americans as an easy victory. They will have learned nothing from the Spain/US game. There are some classy enough players on that team to take the US seriously, but there are also some goons who will expect to walk through that group without a challenge. England will be looking to the next round just as Portugal did in 2002.

This US team is good. They had the run of play against Italy in the Confed Cup before they were red carded....and then they still scored the first goal. European teams will continue to show them little respect and the US Nats will continue to make headlines.

Why should anyone respect the US team? They have the physical talent to compete, but they don't have the coaching or the mental aspect.

I have mixed feelings about the confederations cup. It was awesome to be runners up and to beat Spain, but we were outplayed for most of that tournament, particulary by Brazil in both matches.

I don't think the US has earned the respect of any teams with it's play. I would love to beat England just to see the shear "oh here we go again" panic sit it in over there. Catching them in the opener will be an advantage for us, since there will be absolutely crushing pressure for England to perform. Giving them a chance to warm up against the other teams in the group would be bad news for the US.

I would love to see a repeat of 2002 where we come out of the gate and knock off a contender in the first game.

Jens1893
12-04-2009, 04:59 PM
Never bet against Germany in a cup, that is a classic mistake. Their luck is legendary.

I think Ghana takes the other playoff spot in that group, Serbia is a good team but quite narrow and Australia doesn't quite have the speed to keep up.

Luck? You don´t reach 10 World Cup Semis and 7 World Cup Finals (more than anyone else, I might add) thru sheer luck. Not to mention 3 European Championship trophies and 6 appearances in the final.

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2009, 06:46 PM
Why should anyone respect the US team? They have the physical talent to compete, but they don't have the coaching or the mental aspect.

I have mixed feelings about the confederations cup. It was awesome to be runners up and to beat Spain, but we were outplayed for most of that tournament, particulary by Brazil in both matches.

I don't think the US has earned the respect of any teams with it's play. I would love to beat England just to see the shear "oh here we go again" panic sit it in over there. Catching them in the opener will be an advantage for us, since there will be absolutely crushing pressure for England to perform. Giving them a chance to warm up against the other teams in the group would be bad news for the US.

I would love to see a repeat of 2002 where we come out of the gate and knock off a contender in the first game.

Looking back at that 2002 team, it was no fluke that they came out of that group. That was easily the best US team ever assembled with guys like McBride, Reyna, Johnny O'Brien, Donovan, Friedel, Sanneh, Berrhalter, Beasley, etc. all giving good accounts. That was an excellent team that made the most of their opportunities.

This group is talented, but they dont have the "we're all in" mentality at the level that those guys had. They also dont have the scoring efficiency. Is Jozy at McBride's level in 02? Is there a true distributor and ball control guru like Reyna out there? Do we have a two way creative midfielder like O'Brien? O'Brien is one of the best midfielders ever to come out of the states. Do we have confident, experienced backs like Sanneh and Berrhalter?

What this team does have is the best US player of all time as its counter attack coordinator in Donovan. It has a tricky, confident goal poacher and back line breaker in Dempsey. It has a keeper capable of turning the tide. It has a couple of bruising midfielders that can give Lampard and Gerrard trouble in Jones and Bradley. It is good at scoring scrap goals on set pieces.

Unless Jozy comes into form, these guys will be lacking up top...I wouldnt be surprised to see Bradley move Dempsey to striker alongside Jozy and then move Feilhaber onto the pitch in Dempseys place. I actually liked what Conor Casey gave the US against Honduras. Im not sure that he has a place against England, but he could be useful against Algeria and Slovenia. He's a little brighter with the ball than Jozy is.

Spider
12-04-2009, 07:45 PM
soccer fans = should have been on the list ,on how to tell if you are a pansy

MIKE111375
12-04-2009, 07:47 PM
I went on London Times and mentioned Yorktown that we will win again and my post was never posted.

epicSocialism4tw
12-04-2009, 08:01 PM
I went on London Times and mentioned Yorktown that we will win again and my post was never posted.

Ha! Greatness.

This rivalry will be excessively fun leading up to the Cup.

DenverBrit
12-04-2009, 10:05 PM
I went on London Times and mentioned Yorktown that we will win again and my post was never posted.

That's because you confused the Times.

There were too many French at Yorktown and France is in a different group. ;D.

TomServo
12-05-2009, 02:08 AM
i thought wahtshis Name? beckam was Finally going to Ignite "football Fever" in the usa?
toldya, if Pele didnt work way back, nothing would .. Note to the World: america doesnt care for Soccer(Football) whatever.
if an awesome movie like "Victory" cant be a hit.....soccer in the usa is screwed.

broncoblue
12-05-2009, 02:14 AM
Get ready for a bunch of haughty, overconfident Brits to give the Americans nothing but a cold shoulder. From Capello to the hooligans in the pens of London, they'll chalk up the Americans as an easy victory. They will have learned nothing from the Spain/US game. There are some classy enough players on that team to take the US seriously, but there are also some goons who will expect to walk through that group without a challenge. England will be looking to the next round just as Portugal did in 2002.

This US team is good. They had the run of play against Italy in the Confed Cup before they were red carded....and then they still scored the first goal. European teams will continue to show them little respect and the US Nats will continue to make headlines.

:thanku:jeeeees how many times do you guys need telling ...YOUR NOT PLAYING BRITS!!!! YOUR PLAYING ENGLAND :welcome:

broncoblue
12-05-2009, 02:16 AM
. The english are too stupid to coach at the big stage.

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lol what a turd bucket lol

Dagmar
12-05-2009, 06:35 AM
soccer fans = should have been on the list ,on how to tell if you are a pansy

So should truckers who are keyboard warriors. Is the trucker you or Hotrod, I can never remember. Which one gives and who recieves?

sixtimeseight
12-05-2009, 08:17 AM
soccer fans = should have been on the list ,on how to tell if you are a pansy

Yea, soccer isn't nearly as manly as getting head at the truck stop from a 19 year old tranvestite. If you close your eyes and think of your ugly wife, you really can't even feel the stubble on your balls, huh?

atomicbloke
12-05-2009, 09:04 AM
i thought wahtshis Name? beckam was Finally going to Ignite "football Fever" in the usa?
toldya, if Pele didnt work way back, nothing would .. Note to the World: america doesnt care for Soccer(Football) whatever.
if an awesome movie like "Victory" cant be a hit.....soccer in the usa is screwed.

So far, after hosts South Africa, more tickets for the world Cup have been bought by Americans, than any other nation.... just saying....

atomicbloke
12-05-2009, 09:50 AM
Btw, if any of you are traveling to South Africa and are USA fans, you might consider joining Sam's Army....

http://www.sams-army.com/

They have been growing every year and can finally match up blow by blow with the stupid drunk English fans....

I traveled with them in South Korea in 2002, and had the best time of my life....

epicSocialism4tw
12-05-2009, 12:26 PM
Btw, if any of you are traveling to South Africa and are USA fans, you might consider joining Sam's Army....

http://www.sams-army.com/

They have been growing every year and can finally match up blow by blow with the stupid drunk English fans....

I traveled with them in South Korea in 2002, and had the best time of my life....

Awesome. Bronx33 travels with Sams Army as well.

epicSocialism4tw
12-05-2009, 04:54 PM
Wayne Rooney's initial reaction:

"I don't think you can take anyone for granted who has reached the World Cup finals and our opening fixture against the USA will be a test," said Rooney.
"They have lots of World Cup finals experience and their players are playing all over the world. Tim Howard is a top keeper and has fantastic experience from his time at Manchester United and now with Everton.
"I really like Clint Dempsey as a player, I think he is a constant threat when he plays for Fulham and then there is Landon Donovan who I think is one of those players who can make things happen in a game, so there is no doubt that this will be a tough opening game."


http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/finaldraw/news/newsid=1144524.html#rooney+capello

Muddled
12-05-2009, 07:09 PM
Portugal in the group of death really, you mean the team who mounted the grand total of 3 points and a whooping ZERO wins against Sweden and Denmark in qualification, and who needed a miracle last minute goal in Albania and help from us to qualify for qualifiers and even then help from FIFA to avoid elite competition in those qualifiers to qualify? Really? What a joke.

epicSocialism4tw
12-05-2009, 07:11 PM
Portugal in the group of death really, you mean the team who mounted the grand total of 3 points and a whooping ZERO wins against Sweden and Denmark in qualification, and who needed a miracle last minute goal in Albania and help from us to qualify for qualifiers and even then help from FIFA to avoid elite competition in those qualifiers to qualify? Really? What a joke.

Its all about Ronaldo.

Denmark are a better team, IMO. I was impressed by their cohesion and their style of play.

atomicbloke
12-05-2009, 09:08 PM
Portugal in the group of death really, you mean the team who mounted the grand total of 3 points and a whooping ZERO wins against Sweden and Denmark in qualification, and who needed a miracle last minute goal in Albania and help from us to qualify for qualifiers and even then help from FIFA to avoid elite competition in those qualifiers to qualify? Really? What a joke.

It may not seem so at first glance, but I think Group E with the Dutch, the Danes, the Japs and the Indomitable Lions are a very tough group.

In fact I feel there are no real groups of death in this World cup. But there are more than one very tough groups, especially Group B, Group D, Group E and Group G.

TomServo
12-06-2009, 12:42 AM
if we cant tackle(legally) americans just dont care for futball.
beckam, pele, we dont care. never have never will. we have our own laws (guns) money ($) and our own sports: baseball' basketball' football
we dont care about a world cup.
just one of those things

atomicbloke
12-06-2009, 12:54 AM
This World Cup promises to be the most open. Brazil are good, but they have to contend with Ivory Coast and Portugal in the first round, probably Spain in the the second round, Italy or Netherlands in the Quarters and possibly England / Germany in the semis depending on how the groups go.

The biggest unknown will be the conditions, after a long time, the World Cup will be played in winter, at high altitude and in the southern hemisphere. Top European teams have struggled outside Europe historically, Argentina suck this time, and Brazil have a tricky bracket.

Maybe some African or non-traditional powers make a big splash this time around?

Can't wait for June. Won't be able to make the trip unfortunately due to work commitment, so I am going to miss the Sam's Army at full strength.

ZachKC
12-06-2009, 09:07 AM
Get ready for a bunch of haughty, overconfident Brits to give the Americans nothing but a cold shoulder. From Capello to the hooligans in the pens of London, they'll chalk up the Americans as an easy victory. They will have learned nothing from the Spain/US game. There are some classy enough players on that team to take the US seriously, but there are also some goons who will expect to walk through that group without a challenge. England will be looking to the next round just as Portugal did in 2002.

This US team is good. They had the run of play against Italy in the Confed Cup before they were red carded....and then they still scored the first goal. European teams will continue to show them little respect and the US Nats will continue to make headlines.

It wasn't all that along ago those assholes couldn't even qualify for Euro 2008.

ZachKC
12-06-2009, 09:12 AM
Something I just realized - our WC jersey this year is based off the one from 1950 when we beat England 1-0 at the World Cup. The jerseys we wore that year are the inspiration for the 2010 WC series the US will wear. And since we're playing England in the first game.... Talk about a coincidence, eh? Someone at Nike deserves a raise for that one.

http://cdn.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/usa-world-cup-shirt.jpg

http://cdn.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/USMNTshirt.jpg

gyldenlove
12-06-2009, 09:20 AM
It may not seem so at first glance, but I think Group E with the Dutch, the Danes, the Japs and the Indomitable Lions are a very tough group.

In fact I feel there are no real groups of death in this World cup. But there are more than one very tough groups, especially Group B, Group D, Group E and Group G.

The strongest groups to me is the France group, there is no weak team in that group and the Germany group.

France who are always good/lucky/cheating, South Africa have home field, Mexico always play well at finals and Uruguay who may not be the best team but they have some strong individual players like Forlan.

Germany always play well at finals and this may be the strongest Germany team since the early 90s. Australia have enough solid players to be dangerous and are probably the best "asian" team. Serbia is a surprise, but they have a lot of talent and they play a very relentless style that can cause serious problems and Ghana is in my view the best African team in this tournament and they have tons of experience from 4 years ago when they got through the group stage and into the playoffs.

Group C and group F look like the weakest groups with Algeria and Slovenia in C and New Zealand and Slovakia in group F, so watch at least 2 of those 4 teams make it to the playoffs.

epicSocialism4tw
12-06-2009, 10:45 AM
Something I just realized - our WC jersey this year is based off the one from 1950 when we beat England 1-0 at the World Cup. The jerseys we wore that year are the inspiration for the 2010 WC series the US will wear. And since we're playing England in the first game.... Talk about a coincidence, eh? Someone at Nike deserves a raise for that one.

http://cdn.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/usa-world-cup-shirt.jpg

http://cdn.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/USMNTshirt.jpg

Beautiful.

I had heard rumors that the 1950's kits were in the mix. Classy. I cant wait for this game.

atomicbloke
12-08-2009, 01:13 AM
English newspapers put US in lead over England

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=ap-england-howardssave&prov=ap&type=lgns

LONDON (AP)—With six months to go before the World Cup, Tim Howard has already put the fear in England.
The United States goalkeeper saved a late penalty kick by England forward Jermain Defoe in Everton’s 2-2 draw with Tottenham on Sunday in the Premier League, and some British newspapers reacted as if the World Cup were already under way.
“It’s US 1 England 0 as Everton’s American keeper saves Defoe penalty and denies Tottenham victory,” the Daily Telegraph wrote on the front page of Monday’s sports section.
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The United States and England were put in the same World Cup group at Friday’s draw in South Africa. They will face each other June 12 in Rustenburg in the opening Group C match.
“America 1 England 0,” the Daily Mirror wrote in a banner headline in its sports section. Underneath, the paper wrote: “USA keeper wins spot-kick duel with England hot-shot Defoe (let’s hope and pray there’s no repeat on June 12).”
The Metro, a free daily targeting commuters, headlined: “USA 1 England 0: Defoe blows chance.”
It will be the second time the United States and England will meet at soccer’ss biggest tournament, and the Americans will be protecting a perfect record against their former colonial ruler after pulling off a 1-0 shocker at the 1950 tournament in Brazil.
The Guardian newspaper appears to believe that Howard’s penalty stop at Goodison Park will give the American team a boost in its quest for another victory.
“Howard saves and takes heart for World Cup clash,” the newspaper wrote in a lower headline.
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“England … 1 USA … 1,” the tabloid headlined over a picture of Howard falling to his right and with the ball about to hit him in the legs.
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Traditionally, the English have looked down on U.S. soccer, but there have been solid American players on several Premier League teams over the years. This season, a handful of Americans are playing in the Premier League and lower divisions, including Clint Dempsey and Eddie Johnson at Fulham, Jozy Altidore at Hull, Jonathan Spector at West Ham and Brad Guzan and Brad Friedel at Aston Villa.
Of them all, Howard is surely the best-known American playing in England right now—at least if you read the papers.

epicSocialism4tw
12-10-2009, 05:18 PM
Landon Donovan is loaned to Everton.

Per Ives Galarcep:
http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2009/12/la-galaxy-issue-statement-regarding-donovaneverton-move.html

SJ Bronco
12-10-2009, 05:31 PM
I think Americans would be more respectful of soccer if we didn't have to pay to see ties. It's anti climactic. When hockey changed it's overtime rules, it helped the sport a lot. The other change, I'd penalize flopping harshly and encourage less dirty play. I get tired of seeing guys fall down grabbing a knee every time someone is touched. That's why i stopped watching NBA basketball, too many three ring clowns dressed flamboyantly and drawing attention to themselves. Having said all that, I really don't want to piss on your parade. It's a cool event that gets the world involved. It gets me watching Bobsled every four years. (on second thought, i may have stopped watching the NBA cause I'm a warriors fan...)

atomicbloke
12-10-2009, 05:42 PM
I think Americans would be more respectful of soccer if we didn't have to pay to see ties. It's anti climactic. When hockey changed it's overtime rules, it helped the sport a lot. The other change, I'd penalize flopping harshly and encourage less dirty play. I get tired of seeing guys fall down grabbing a knee every time someone is touched. That's why i stopped watching NBA basketball, too many three ring clowns dressed flamboyantly and drawing attention to themselves. Having said all that, I really don't want to piss on your parade. It's a cool event that gets the world involved. It gets me watching Bobsled every four years. (on second thought, i may have stopped watching the NBA cause I'm a warriors fan...)

If ties are done away with, I will stop watching soccer.

If it is a knockout game, then ties need to be broken to determine who advances. But if it is a league game, ties are an integral part of strategy through the course of a season. If the option of a tie is taken away, there will be no fun. Games where the weak teams try to hold on for a draw, forcing the stronger team to attack, and thus be vulnerable to a counterattack is a principal story-line in many games, and without several of these over the course of a 40-game season, it would be just too boring.

Real fans who have lived and died with their soccer teams over several generations will appreciate this fact. Non-soccer fans won't get this sentiment.

I agree with you on the other points about flopping.

And thanks for one of the few level-headed posts from a non-soccer fan on the Mane.

SJ Bronco
12-10-2009, 05:48 PM
If ties are done away with, I will stop watching soccer.

If it is a knockout game, then ties need to be broken to determine who advances. But if it is a league game, ties are an integral part of strategy through the course of a season. If the option of a tie is taken away, there will be no fun. Games where the weak teams try to hold on for a draw, forcing the stronger team to attack, and thus be vulnerable to a counterattack is a principal story-line in many games, and without several of these over the course of a 40-game season, it would be just too boring.

Real fans who have lived and died with their soccer teams over several generations will appreciate this fact. Non-soccer fans won't get this sentiment.

I agree with you on the other points about flopping.

And thanks for one of the few level-headed posts from a non-soccer fan on the Mane.

I don't expect them to change it just so Americans MIGHT be interested, that would be a risk. Hockey had no choice. They need The US to take interest. Soccer will be fine without the US. I think the other issue is in the US, soccer is, classically a sport played by the rich, or upper middle class as far as boys go. Hard to get serious contenders from that pool of athletes. You notice the times when the US team is competitive, (men or women) we will watch. I don't think the US likes losing either. ROFL!

atomicbloke
12-10-2009, 06:01 PM
I don't expect them to change it just so Americans MIGHT be interested, that would be a risk. Hockey had no choice. They need The US to take interest. Soccer will be fine without the US. I think the other issue is in the US, soccer is, classically a sport played by the rich, or upper middle class as far as boys go. Hard to get serious contenders from that pool of athletes. You notice the times when the US team is competitive, (men or women) we will watch. I don't think the US likes losing either. ROFL!

You are right. That's why I feel soccer should not try to market itself to Americans.

As you pointed out, there is a huge cultural difference. I spent a large part of my childhood in the Netherlands, and kids there learn to kick around a soccer ball before they learn to walk.

And soccer is just not about athleticism or strength. Factors like how much you can bench-press, or what are your 40-times are completely irrelevant. It helps if you are fast and strong, but what matters most are soccer-specific skills. Ball control skills. Dribbling skills and passing skills. Try bouncing a ball on your head 40-times without it touching the ground, or try juggling a ball with your knees for 20+ times and you'll know what I mean.

Americans will never get these differences. Hence, soccer should stay close to its roots. Trying to get more Americans interested, will drive away the hard-core fan base, who already resent some of the recent changes, and absolutely hate the MLS.

DHallblows
12-11-2009, 01:17 AM
Landon Donovan is loaned to Everton.

Per Ives Galarcep:
http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2009/12/la-galaxy-issue-statement-regarding-donovaneverton-move.html

Thank God! :thumbsup:
I'm a little biased, but if any player is playing in the MLS, he looses legitimacy to me. So many people (I believe you're in that camp) say he's the best US player ever, but at 28, I feel that the best ever should be playing in Europe by now (Specifically the Premiership)

Jens1893
12-11-2009, 07:29 AM
You are right. That's why I feel soccer should not try to market itself to Americans.

As you pointed out, there is a huge cultural difference. I spent a large part of my childhood in the Netherlands, and kids there learn to kick around a soccer ball before they learn to walk.

And soccer is just not about athleticism or strength. Factors like how much you can bench-press, or what are your 40-times are completely irrelevant. It helps if you are fast and strong, but what matters most are soccer-specific skills. Ball control skills. Dribbling skills and passing skills. Try bouncing a ball on your head 40-times without it touching the ground, or try juggling a ball with your knees for 20+ times and you'll know what I mean.

Americans will never get these differences. Hence, soccer should stay close to its roots. Trying to get more Americans interested, will drive away the hard-core fan base, who already resent some of the recent changes, and absolutely hate the MLS.

You´re forgetting about mental things like football iq etc. all the skill in the world is useless if your head lets you down.

JJG
12-11-2009, 08:32 AM
You´re forgetting about mental things like football iq etc. all the skill in the world is useless if your head lets you down.

yes, but the same is true for soccer as well.

I think its one of the biggest areas the US lacks compared to the rest of the world. We have very little creativity going towards goal and always have trouble against teams who get numbers back in the defensive third(majority of world cup teams)

JJG
12-11-2009, 08:37 AM
Thank God! :thumbsup:
I'm a little biased, but if any player is playing in the MLS, he looses legitimacy to me. So many people (I believe you're in that camp) say he's the best US player ever, but at 28, I feel that the best ever should be playing in Europe by now (Specifically the Premiership)

you know, I've just never been a big Donovan fan personally. There is just something about him that rubs me the wrong way.

SJ Bronco
12-11-2009, 09:10 AM
you know, I've just never been a big Donovan fan personally. There is just something about him that rubs me the wrong way.

Maybe it's the fact he has two first names. That always makes me angry.Ha!

Hercules Rockefeller
12-11-2009, 09:17 AM
you know, I've just never been a big Donovan fan personally. There is just something about him that rubs me the wrong way.

Probably because he's a pussy. Let's see if he can actually make it over there instead of running back to the US with his tail between his legs for the 3rd time.

ludo21
12-11-2009, 09:49 AM
Donovan going to England is great this time of year. He needs to stay in soccer shape and him playing til the WC is great news.

epicSocialism4tw
12-11-2009, 02:57 PM
I don't expect them to change it just so Americans MIGHT be interested, that would be a risk. Hockey had no choice. They need The US to take interest. Soccer will be fine without the US. I think the other issue is in the US, soccer is, classically a sport played by the rich, or upper middle class as far as boys go. Hard to get serious contenders from that pool of athletes. You notice the times when the US team is competitive, (men or women) we will watch. I don't think the US likes losing either. ROFL!

Absolutely not true.

Clint Dempsey, currently the top US field player in the English Premeirship, grew up in a trailer park playing soccer with local Mexican immigrant kids.

When I was younger (I am a little older than Dempsey) I played in the same league that Dempsey played in. Yes, the rich kids were at a financial advantage, but the best kids on the fields came from all across the social strata. Some parents would work extra jobs for their kids to play in those leagues, and some kids were scholarshipped through.

Soccer in your state is expensive, but there are places where it cultivates players naturally on parks and fields all over the state. I saw some youth soccer in Cupertino (beatiful city btw...playing soccer in the valleys) and the cost was pretty high comparative to the rest of the country.

But despite soccer being the most popular youth sport in the US for a few decades, today the depth of the soccer pool in the US is broadening even further. It is played in all of the inner city parks in the country. All of the TV exposure of the last 20 years will help quite a bit as well. You can watch soccer a couple of times a week on free television in every state now.

Soccer is growing even more in the US, and within 30 years, it can have moved aside the NBA.

epicSocialism4tw
12-11-2009, 02:58 PM
Probably because he's a p***Y. Let's see if he can actually make it over there instead of running back to the US with his tail between his legs for the 3rd time.

That's an awful cynical opinion.

Donovan's last stint with Beyern would have required him to move aside Luca Toni. That's no easy feat.

atomicbloke
12-11-2009, 04:04 PM
Btw, who else thinks Sepp Blatter is fat pig of a moronic buffoon and a bumbling incompetent ectoplasm who makes Al Davis seem like a shrewd and sharp tool?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu7i5CJq3mg

SJ Bronco
12-11-2009, 05:06 PM
Absolutely not true.

Clint Dempsey, currently the top US field player in the English Premeirship, grew up in a trailer park playing soccer with local Mexican immigrant kids.

When I was younger (I am a little older than Dempsey) I played in the same league that Dempsey played in. Yes, the rich kids were at a financial advantage, but the best kids on the fields came from all across the social strata. Some parents would work extra jobs for their kids to play in those leagues, and some kids were scholarshipped through.

Soccer in your state is expensive, but there are places where it cultivates players naturally on parks and fields all over the state. I saw some youth soccer in Cupertino (beatiful city btw...playing soccer in the valleys) and the cost was pretty high comparative to the rest of the country.

But despite soccer being the most popular youth sport in the US for a few decades, today the depth of the soccer pool in the US is broadening even further. It is played in all of the inner city parks in the country. All of the TV exposure of the last 20 years will help quite a bit as well. You can watch soccer a couple of times a week on free television in every state now.

Soccer is growing even more in the US, and within 30 years, it can have moved aside the NBA.

I have to say, I highly doubt it.

epicSocialism4tw
12-11-2009, 10:40 PM
I have to say, I highly doubt it.

Considering the huge influx of migrant workers from Mexico that live in your midst ahora, I would say that the change is already underfoot.

JJJ
12-12-2009, 04:11 AM
zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Dagmar
12-12-2009, 07:39 AM
zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Well done. You don't like something other people like.

http://blog.pornlandia.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/joker-clap.gif

atomicbloke
12-12-2009, 10:05 AM
Too bad Scotland didn't make it.

DHallblows
12-12-2009, 10:11 AM
Too bad Scotland didn't make it.

When was their last appearance?

Jens1893
12-12-2009, 12:55 PM
When was their last appearance?

1998 if memory serves me right.

Dagmar
12-12-2009, 12:59 PM
Too bad Scotland didn't make it.

We are **** I fully admit it. Having Italy & France in our group didn't help. Or was that the European chamionships? Anyway, we are ****.

Jens1893
12-12-2009, 01:00 PM
We are **** I fully admit it. Having Italy & France in our group didn't help. Or was that the European chamionships? Anyway, we are ****.

You had the Needlelands and the world beaters known as Norway.

DenverBrit
12-12-2009, 01:13 PM
When was their last appearance?

12th Century. ;D

epicSocialism4tw
12-12-2009, 08:42 PM
We are **** I fully admit it. Having Italy & France in our group didn't help. Or was that the European chamionships? Anyway, we are ****.

Well, Stuart Holden was born in Scotland. He plays for the Yanks, so hop right on the Holdenwagon.

SJ Bronco
12-12-2009, 08:47 PM
Considering the huge influx of migrant workers from Mexico that live in your midst ahora, I would say that the change is already underfoot.

Migrant workers in northern cali are mostly Asian and Pacific Islander. I do know what you mean though, and We do have some Mexicans, however, California has never shaped the Athletic landscape. The east coast would never allow that. Soccer here sells well, but the Latin players prefer indoor soccer here for some weird reason. i don't know why. i don't know enough about it. My daughter plays in a Spanish speaking league though cause it's cheaper and there are less "little league parent" going on there.

SJ Bronco
12-12-2009, 08:48 PM
Hey, I heard that the Irish team got Robbed. Are they out?

atomicbloke
12-12-2009, 09:04 PM
Hey, I heard that the Irish team got Robbed. Are they out?

They got a bad call in a game.

Happens in every sport in every league in the world.

Just happens that this particular game was the one that decided whether Ireland would advance or be eliminated, and if the call had been made correctly, then Ireland would have a 50% probability of advancing.

But of course, the Irish were always known to be whiners, and everyone loves to hate the French.

Hence, the media circus.

SJ Bronco
12-12-2009, 09:20 PM
They got a bad call in a game.

Happens in every sport in every league in the world.

Just happens that this particular game was the one that decided whether Ireland would advance or be eliminated, and if the call had been made correctly, then Ireland would have a 50% probability of advancing.

But of course, the Irish were always known to be whiners, and everyone loves to hate the French.

Hence, the media circus.

Damn, hate to hear the Irish be whiners. Gotta stop that crap!

epicSocialism4tw
12-13-2009, 10:34 AM
Migrant workers in northern cali are mostly Asian and Pacific Islander. I do know what you mean though, and We do have some Mexicans, however, California has never shaped the Athletic landscape. The east coast would never allow that. Soccer here sells well, but the Latin players prefer indoor soccer here for some weird reason. i don't know why. i don't know enough about it. My daughter plays in a Spanish speaking league though cause it's cheaper and there are less "little league parent" going on there.

San Jose certainly has a large Asian contingency. Southern California has a huge latin population.

I dont see why anyone would prefer to play indoor if they live in South Bay. Its so beautiful all the time in just about any place you go there.

ZachKC
12-13-2009, 01:42 PM
I don't expect them to change it just so Americans MIGHT be interested, that would be a risk. Hockey had no choice. They need The US to take interest. Soccer will be fine without the US. I think the other issue is in the US, soccer is, classically a sport played by the rich, or upper middle class as far as boys go. Hard to get serious contenders from that pool of athletes. You notice the times when the US team is competitive, (men or women) we will watch. I don't think the US likes losing either. ROFL!

I don't know how "fine" hockey is. Nobody watches it on TV. Bowling and the WNBA get better ratings.

ZachKC
12-13-2009, 01:49 PM
You are right. That's why I feel soccer should not try to market itself to Americans.

As you pointed out, there is a huge cultural difference. I spent a large part of my childhood in the Netherlands, and kids there learn to kick around a soccer ball before they learn to walk.

And soccer is just not about athleticism or strength. Factors like how much you can bench-press, or what are your 40-times are completely irrelevant. It helps if you are fast and strong, but what matters most are soccer-specific skills. Ball control skills. Dribbling skills and passing skills. Try bouncing a ball on your head 40-times without it touching the ground, or try juggling a ball with your knees for 20+ times and you'll know what I mean.

Americans will never get these differences. Hence, soccer should stay close to its roots. Trying to get more Americans interested, will drive away the hard-core fan base, who already resent some of the recent changes, and absolutely hate the MLS.

Purists of anything are just wired to be unhappy. Anyone in the "hard core" fanbase who doesn't like the idea of soccer getting in front of more eyes and becoming more popular can go cheer for whatever the hell makes them happy. I like MLS soccer...I think its ascending and it is impressive it has done so well in this economy.

This...is not a bad thing.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7NEcEZ6tkEU/SebF9FpwnEI/AAAAAAAAABs/2gDs6zJRFMA/s1600/SoundersFans.jpg

http://thumb10.shutterstock.com.edgesuite.net/display_pic_with_logo/58178/58178,1244050085,1/stock-photo-washington-dc-september-dc-united-fans-celebrate-a-goal-against-the-new-york-red-bulls-31402720.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
12-15-2009, 10:15 PM
Damarcus Beasley is getting minutes at Rangers and is playing very well. Over the last two games he has a goal and two assists, plus alot of dangerous work on the right flank. It looks like Beasley is back in contention for the WC roster.

Check out his ridiculous goal:

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/4211981/

Dagmar
12-15-2009, 10:23 PM
Beasley had an absolute STORMER tonight.

DHallblows
12-15-2009, 10:45 PM
I've always enjoyed Damarcus, just wish he'd spend a little less time trying to use his lack of size to get foul calls

epicSocialism4tw
01-07-2010, 04:51 PM
Some Yank updates:

Clint Dempsey has been outstanding for Fulham this year and is considered one of the top handful of midfielders in the EPL and has been placed on the EPL first 11 by a couple of british media outlets. Dempsey has earned a cult following at Fulham where he's now the club's most popular player. Clint is taking his game to a new level this season, which is good news for fans of the Yanks.

Here's a cool article that was written after Dempsey ripped the top corner on a half volley from 35 yards out this week: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1241075/Clint-Dempseys-wonder-strike-fires-warning-England-boss-Fabio-Capello.html?ITO=1490

...if you havent seen the Dempsey goal yet, hunt it down and check it out. Its a doozy.

Landon Donovan is now on loan at Everton and will see his first game as a Toffee this Saturday when Everton meets Arsenal.

Maurice Edu is back in action for Rangers.

Atwater His Ass
01-07-2010, 05:19 PM
Hopefully Dempsey can realize the same form he puts out for Fulham on the international stage. He's the most frustrating player on the US team.

I don't want Beasley anywhere near the world cup.

epicSocialism4tw
01-07-2010, 06:57 PM
Hopefully Dempsey can realize the same form he puts out for Fulham on the international stage. He's the most frustrating player on the US team.

I don't want Beasley anywhere near the world cup.

Dempsey plays exactly the same for both teams. I think that American fans generally dont understand why Dempsey is so good. The difference between Fulham and the US team is that Fulham employs tactics that allow Dempsey to do his job without worrying that the supporting midfielders (Bradley, Clark, etc) and the right sided defenders will not be able to step up and quell a counterattack. Dempsey won a significant award at Confed Cup and many ill-informed American fans wondered why. Dempsey is flat out dangerous. He consistently makes plays in the final third.

American fans want Dempsey to chase back on defense and hustle around the field. That's not his job. Those fans dont understand that Dempsey actually covered more ground than any other American player in that tournament. American fans didnt understand Claudio Reyna either and still clamour for Freddie Adu and Robbie Rogers, so make of it what you will.

As for Beasely, he's tearing up the SPL. He'll be on the team and he'll do a good job just like he always has.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2010, 11:22 AM
Donovan's sporting #9 for Everton...a historic number reserved for quality strikers. I guess he has impressed in training.

Here are some pics:
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/everton/13647/more-photos-of-landon-donovan-in-everton-blue.html

Rohirrim
01-08-2010, 11:24 AM
I'm rooting for Ireland.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2010, 11:31 AM
I'm rooting for Ireland.

Ha!

...talk about pulling for the underdog.

DHallblows
01-09-2010, 11:21 AM
Ha!

...talk about pulling for the underdog.

Quality pic! :thumbs:

I'm personally rooting for Saudi Arabia...maybe India!

Dagmar
01-09-2010, 11:51 AM
Some Yank updates:

Clint Dempsey has been outstanding for Fulham this year and is considered one of the top handful of midfielders in the EPL and has been placed on the EPL first 11 by a couple of british media outlets. Dempsey has earned a cult following at Fulham where he's now the club's most popular player. Clint is taking his game to a new level this season, which is good news for fans of the Yanks.

Here's a cool article that was written after Dempsey ripped the top corner on a half volley from 35 yards out this week: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1241075/Clint-Dempseys-wonder-strike-fires-warning-England-boss-Fabio-Capello.html?ITO=1490

...if you havent seen the Dempsey goal yet, hunt it down and check it out. Its a doozy.

Landon Donovan is now on loan at Everton and will see his first game as a Toffee this Saturday when Everton meets Arsenal.

Maurice Edu is back in action for Rangers.

Beasley has been excellent for the Gers by the way.

Atwater His Ass
01-17-2010, 03:24 PM
Dempsey hurt, maybe PCL. Could jepordize his world cup now. Would be an almost unrecoverable blow to the US.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=270057&cc=null#quotes

Jens1893
01-17-2010, 03:25 PM
Way to jinx him, Llama.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/f/fulham/8464490.stm

atomicbloke
01-17-2010, 04:19 PM
This is what happens when you rely on a couple of borderline stars and have absolutely no bench strength..

You are at the mercy of injuries...

Atwater His Ass
01-17-2010, 04:41 PM
This is what happens when you rely on a couple of borderline stars and have absolutely no bench strength..

You are at the mercy of injuries...

I don't think you'll find anyone anywhere that will argue that the US knows how to find and develop talent. Hell, the federation won't even hire a qualified international coach.

But still at the end of the day, I don't any team that wouldn't be crippled by losing their best defender, best striker, and 2nd best playmaker.

DHallblows
01-17-2010, 08:05 PM
Now we get to really see "how little Dempsey brings to the US squad"

Huge blow to us. First Gooch now Clint :oyvey: Let's hope the recovery is swift

epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2010, 09:17 PM
Now we get to really see "how little Dempsey brings to the US squad"

Huge blow to us. First Gooch now Clint :oyvey: Let's hope the recovery is swift

Gooch, Charlie Davies, Dempsey...

I guess Landon will be next, followed by Tim Howard. :(

Sucks.

Maybe this will finally prove to the three-year olds who wish Dempsey onto the bench so that players like Adu, Holden, and Torres can play that Dempsey actually does some things on the field.

Our chances of getting out of the knockout stage are reduced without Dempsey. The Nats are already thin in terms of attacking players, and theyre losing their best pure goal scorer in Dempsey.

Atwater His Ass
01-19-2010, 01:05 AM
Anyone heard the results of Dempsey's MRI? Thought it was supposed to happen already...

Baba Booey
01-19-2010, 01:12 AM
Of course the U.S. comes first, but I usually root for Germany, the Netherlands, and England too.

epicSocialism4tw
01-19-2010, 04:31 PM
Anyone heard the results of Dempsey's MRI? Thought it was supposed to happen already...

Great news.

Dempsey doesnt need surgery and will be back on the field in a few weeks.

He'll be in form in time for the cup. ^5

SureShot
01-19-2010, 04:33 PM
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm108/lan27fam/germany.png

epicSocialism4tw
01-19-2010, 04:38 PM
On the Dempsey note...

Have any of you seen him play at Fulham over the course of this season? He has been very effective.

Dempsey was playing a pretty solid game when he went down against Blackburn. He put a bicycle kick off of the crossbar and turned a defender out of his cleats in front of the goal before getting his shot saved. Dude's looking like the best offensive midfielder from the US to play in the EPL.

Atwater His Ass
01-19-2010, 04:42 PM
On the Dempsey note...

Have any of you seen him play at Fulham over the course of this season? He has been very effective.

Dempsey was playing a pretty solid game when he went down against Blackburn. He put a bicycle kick off of the crossbar and turned a defender out of his cleats in front of the goal before getting his shot saved. Dude's looking like the best offensive midfielder from the US to play in the EPL.

First off, awesome news that the MRI revealed no surgery is required. :yayaya:

I wish Bradley would play Dempsey in a more central mid field role or even as a striker. I think a lot of what Dempsey brings to the national team is wasted by playing him out on the wing.

Jens1893
01-19-2010, 04:45 PM
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm108/lan27fam/germany.png

Löw Raus!

SureShot
01-19-2010, 04:50 PM
über alles!

*unless somehow the Yanks win a couple.

UberBroncoMan
01-19-2010, 04:59 PM
Germany and Brazil are always the safe picks to go far.

DHallblows
01-19-2010, 05:16 PM
On the Dempsey note...

Have any of you seen him play at Fulham over the course of this season? He has been very effective.

Dempsey was playing a pretty solid game when he went down against Blackburn. He put a bicycle kick off of the crossbar and turned a defender out of his cleats in front of the goal before getting his shot saved. Dude's looking like the best offensive midfielder from the US to play in the EPL.

Fantastic!
And yeah, that would have been a highlight goal if it went in! He's tearing it up for The Whites

epicSocialism4tw
01-19-2010, 09:41 PM
Here's Dempsey's bike and slick turn from the blackburn match:

http://watchsocceronline.blogspot.com/2010/01/motd-highlights-of-ya-in-epl-dempsey.html

(click on media viewer entiteld "Dempsey with Fulham")

By the way, that link is a great resource for fans who are interested in watching American players overseas. There are alot of highlights there.

epicSocialism4tw
01-27-2010, 03:09 PM
Donovan nets his first Premeirship goal for Everton today. It was taken nicely and was well-deserved given his excellent play up to that point. Donovan has been able to pretty much shut down his flank and at the same time remain dangerous going toward the goal. He has been a nice player for Everton through 4 games. He's the Everton fans' man of the match after this one as well on a couple of review sites.

I'll post a link to the highlights once I get 'em.

epicSocialism4tw
01-27-2010, 03:13 PM
Landon's goal: http://10shirt.worldsoccerreader.com/2010/01/video-landon-donovans-first-epl-goal/

British Bronco
01-27-2010, 04:29 PM
I've just got back from the Everton game... Donovan's been excellent for us - not quite Man of the Match tonight, but he's still settling into the pace of the Premiership... quite a few Everton fans are hoping we can buy out his contract!!!

azbroncfan
01-27-2010, 05:18 PM
This thread needs to be moved to the proper forum. There is one guy on this board who likes soccer and it isn't surprising.

ludo21
01-27-2010, 05:40 PM
its offseason mode, calm down.

Im happy that Donovon got his goal already, that is good news! I hope that him playing right up to the World Cup will benefit him and the team

DBruleU
01-27-2010, 05:40 PM
This thread needs to be moved to the proper forum. There is one guy on this board who likes soccer and it isn't surprising.

Only one guy on this board likes soccer huh? That's a bit short-sighted.

Great job Landon. For the first time I am proud of the guy...was never a huge fan just because I hated how he stayed in the MLS even though I knew he could play in Europe. I want our top players going to top leagues.

Atwater His Ass
01-27-2010, 06:12 PM
IMO, Donovan never got a fair shake in Germany. I've always felt like the EPL was the perfect fit for him. He's definately exceeding expectations in my book thus far.

It would be fantastic if Everton can work out a way to buy him.

Dedhed
01-27-2010, 06:19 PM
I can seriously not wait. I lived in Chile for a while and it was a whole new experience to see how crazy the rest of the world is with soccer. I then spent time in BA, in Argentina, I do have a great appreciation for the sport and cannot wait for the World Cup

My favorite part about soccer is the people who have never seen it live, and think Raider fans are crazy. There is NOTHING like soccer. Nothing.

azbroncfan
01-27-2010, 06:43 PM
Only one guy on this board likes soccer huh? That's a bit short-sighted.



I lied 30 percent of the posts are by two guys that just go back and forth. Soccer is a second tier sport in the US. I actually really don't care if the thread is here or not just like giving spineless Llama a hard time.

atomicbloke
01-27-2010, 06:51 PM
I lied 30 percent of the posts are by two guys that just go back and forth. Soccer is a second tier sport in the US. I actually really don't care if the thread is here or not just like giving spineless Llama a hard time.

A lot of us don't comment but always read this thread.

You don't have to click on it. You are free to read other threads that interest you.

If the presence of this thread causes you too much anguish, then talk to Taco about getting it moved.

atomicbloke
01-27-2010, 06:54 PM
The news just keeps getting better and better for the USA. We should have all our stars back from injury before the World Cup. We are now very likely to have a full strength squad.

I am actually getting optimistic about our chances against England. The pressure will be on them, not us.

Kid A
01-27-2010, 06:54 PM
Don't how much everyone else has heard, but I saw this on deadspin a couple days ago. Apparently Charlie Davies has recovered from that brutal car crash faster than anyone could have imagined and plans to be playing in South Africa.

http://deadspin.com/5456642/charlie-davies-has-a-mutant-healing-factor-gnarliest-scar-ever

It would be amazing to see him out there playing after being in this car crash:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/10/500x_custom_1255462471838_SUV.jpg

atomicbloke
01-27-2010, 06:57 PM
Don't how much everyone else has heard, but I saw this on deadspin a couple days ago. Apparently Charlie Davies has recovered from that brutal car crash faster than anyone could have imagined and plans to be playing in South Africa.

http://deadspin.com/5456642/charlie-davies-has-a-mutant-healing-factor-gnarliest-scar-ever

It would be amazing to see him out there playing after being in this car crash:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/10/500x_custom_1255462471838_SUV.jpg

Exactly what I was alluding to.

Just be a morale booster to the rest of the squad:thumbsup:

atomicbloke
01-27-2010, 06:58 PM
Slightly OT, but does anyone know how I can watch the Argentine Clausura here in the USA?

Any links to streams or online channels? I am willing to pay whatever it costs.

Blak_Argentina do you know?

Dedhed
01-27-2010, 07:36 PM
Germany and Brazil are always the safe picks to go far.

It's funny, to me, that the extremes of discipline and creativity are always successful.

MplsBronco
01-28-2010, 07:19 AM
This thread needs to be moved to the proper forum. There is one guy on this board who likes soccer and it isn't surprising.

jeezus, you are a f&cking loser.

Dagmar
01-28-2010, 07:37 AM
I lied 30 percent of the posts are by two guys that just go back and forth. Soccer is a second tier sport in the US. I actually really don't care if the thread is here or not just like giving spineless Llama a hard time.

What a twat.

ludo21
01-28-2010, 07:40 AM
Where did you see that USA may be at full strength for the Cup??

That would be great news! It is true that all the pressure will be on England, USA is definitely an underdog in this game and if we can come out even with a tie we will be in great shape!

epicSocialism4tw
01-28-2010, 09:37 AM
Don't how much everyone else has heard, but I saw this on deadspin a couple days ago. Apparently Charlie Davies has recovered from that brutal car crash faster than anyone could have imagined and plans to be playing in South Africa.

http://deadspin.com/5456642/charlie-davies-has-a-mutant-healing-factor-gnarliest-scar-ever

It would be amazing to see him out there playing after being in this car crash:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/10/500x_custom_1255462471838_SUV.jpg

Wow.

I never saw the car.

Davies was literally training with the US mens team at their last camp...doing agility drills and jogging. His therapist believes that he'll be back playing at Sochaux in about a month.

I have never heard anything like it. The guy had a torn PCL, which usually shelves a player for 6-8 months...that's not to mention his severed bladder (yikes) and the multiple broken bones. He was literally hospitalized for a few weeks.

If he makes it to the world cup, it will be nothing short of a miracle. What's crazy is that he literally has a chance to do it.

epicSocialism4tw
01-28-2010, 09:40 AM
Where did you see that USA may be at full strength for the Cup??

That would be great news! It is true that all the pressure will be on England, USA is definitely an underdog in this game and if we can come out even with a tie we will be in great shape!

Onyewu is ahead of schedule and is looking good to go.

Dempsey got lucky and didnt tear his ligaments, so he'll be back in a few weeks.

Davies' recovery will come down to the wire, and if he's close, he'll make it.

Jermaine Jones may be with the squad in time for the international fixture dates (the march matches).

Maurice Edu is back playing at Rangers.

Beasley will be back shortly and is playing well.

...all in all the guys are rounding into shape and are playing in good form. This could be a really fun cup for US fans.

Atwater His Ass
01-28-2010, 02:15 PM
The news just keeps getting better and better for the USA. We should have all our stars back from injury before the World Cup. We are now very likely to have a full strength squad.

I am actually getting optimistic about our chances against England. The pressure will be on them, not us.

I think people are putting way too much emphasis on the England game. It's the other 2 group games that will determine if the US advances or not.

I do agree though, that the pressure will be all on England. I've before and I still believe that the first game is by far the best time to catch them, before they've had a chance to calm down and find any sort of groove.

There's already such high expectations for England to win this cup and it will only be intensified by this first game against the US. We have a chance to win it, but in reality I'm not concerned at all about this particular game, win, lose or draw.

Atwater His Ass
01-28-2010, 02:18 PM
Onyewu is ahead of schedule and is looking good to go.

Dempsey got lucky and didnt tear his ligaments, so he'll be back in a few weeks.

Davies' recovery will come down to the wire, and if he's close, he'll make it.

Jermaine Jones may be with the squad in time for the international fixture dates (the march matches).

Maurice Edu is back playing at Rangers.

Beasley will be back shortly and is playing well.

...all in all the guys are rounding into shape and are playing in good form. This could be a really fun cup for US fans.

Still some concerns though. Will Gooch or Davies be in any kind of shape to play 90 mins at the top international level? Gooch perhaps, but even though Davies is amazingly ahead of schedule, I'm not confident that he'll have the conditioning to start for the US. He could still be a huge boost coming off the bench though.

I'm still not decided on Jones. He's more gifted than what we have, so that's a plus, but he also takes a lot of bad fouls (already a crux of the US team) and could just as easily become a liability, much like Ricardo Clark and to a lesser extent, Bradley.

sixtimeseight
01-28-2010, 08:21 PM
jeezus, you are a f&cking loser.

What a twat.

yup, pretty much.

azbroncfan
01-28-2010, 08:39 PM
yup, pretty much.

Why because I completely exposed you and your fake bet? What about when you were giving me **** about the Jazz claiming that the Nuggets had won an ABA title when in reality the Stars won one. Keep making those fake wagers dude your a winner in your own mind.

SureShot
01-28-2010, 08:47 PM
http://www.soccer-training-info.com/images/german_girl.jpg

Dagmar
01-28-2010, 09:02 PM
Why because I completely exposed you and your fake bet? What about when you were giving me **** about the Jazz claiming that the Nuggets had won an ABA title when in reality the Stars won one. Keep making those fake wagers dude your a winner in your own mind.

No, because you don't like football (soccer) yet felt compelled to come in to a thread and judge everyone who is interested. Which is the move of a wank.

azbroncfan
01-28-2010, 09:06 PM
No, because you don't like football (soccer) yet felt compelled to come in to a thread and judge everyone who is interested. Which is the move of a wank.

:Whaaaa!:

Dagmar
01-28-2010, 09:22 PM
:Whaaaa!:

And are now hanging about a thread which is about a sport you don't like. Which makes you a sad ****er :rofl: :thumbsup:

ZachKC
01-28-2010, 10:10 PM
Donovan got his first goal for Everton, good ****.

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DHallblows
01-28-2010, 10:58 PM
Good touch by Landon. Not the greatest goalkeeping, but oh well. Good start :thumbs:

azbroncfan
01-28-2010, 11:17 PM
And are now hanging about a thread which is about a sport you don't like. Which makes you a sad ****er :rofl: :thumbsup:

Message board is a message board with threads. I guess that makes us all sad ****ers. Whatever helps you sleep at night.