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That One Guy
06-25-2010, 12:51 PM
I swear I could be an announcer. I find myself typing stuff very often and the announcers thinking along the same lines. I remember it from an earlier game with an African nation (Nigeria, maybe?) but they cited Beckham.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 12:54 PM
What a goal for Spain!!!!

Dutch
06-25-2010, 12:54 PM
FN WOW!!!!! 50+ yard strike for the goal! Bad move by the keeper, but great ball out to Torres......what a strike!

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 12:55 PM
Huge Huge mistake for Chilean keeper

Smiling Assassin27
06-25-2010, 12:55 PM
Ouch. Goalie got caught on that one. Still a nice shot.

epicSocialism4tw
06-25-2010, 12:56 PM
No, its long. You never know in soccer because all it takes is one goal sometimes, but the US relies on its athleticism and doesnt NEAR have the ball skills of Brazil, Spain, Portugal, Argentina etc. In the confed cup, Brazil clearly sleep walked through the first half and then decided to actually play in the 2nd and they completely dominated us. They are (largely because of Kaka) incredibly creative within the box with crisp passes and ball control. Fabiano is a master with the ball. As good as Donovan is, he doesnt even come close to comparing to those guys. Ever notice how the US scores goals? Try to outrun guys and blitz the goal tender. Or Pop the ball up and hope someone can head it in. Now, look at Brazil's three goals against the Ivory Coast. Whens the last time youve seen America score goals like that when they werent playing teams like Belize.

Thats not true at all. The scored two outstanding goals against Brazil in the Confed Cup. They scored two outstanding goals against Egypt in that same tournament. They built up and scored a nice goal against Spain in that tournament.

This team can score great goals.

Dutch
06-25-2010, 12:56 PM
Not criticizing the challenge by the keeper, just the fact he didn't get it out of play......

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 12:57 PM
Come on Chile. What foolish play.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 12:59 PM
Not criticizing the challenge by the keeper, just the fact he didn't get it out of play......

Well that's the biggest issue, the real killer. However, unless it's an uncontested ball, there's no reason he should be 30+ yds out. That ball could've easily bounced off the defender as well. Too risky to go that far out and get it. Also, there was a defender on his hip, the guy might've been out front but it wouldn't be a totally uncontested posession and far from the middle of the field.

Dutch
06-25-2010, 01:01 PM
Thats not true at all. The scored two outstanding goals against Brazil in the Confed Cup. They scored two outstanding goals against Egypt in that same tournament. They built up and scored a nice goal against Spain in that tournament.

This team can score great goals.

Agreed! LOL

+they possess great fitness and a never say die attitude. They could be dangerous as some teams tighten up in the elimination round. The longer the game is scoreless, the more it favors this team. End of game killer instinct is quite good actually. Best in the whole tourney.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:01 PM
Unless the Swiss knock down 3ish goals, the winner of this game wins the group. They go out next week to Brazil if they don't win.

Doh. There's the commentators getting me again.

epicSocialism4tw
06-25-2010, 01:01 PM
Great goal by David Villa.

Thats what an in-form player looks like.

Smiling Assassin27
06-25-2010, 01:03 PM
Geez, Spain's tightening it up. Looks like a pinball machine out there when they control it.

Dutch
06-25-2010, 01:04 PM
Well that's the biggest issue, the real killer. However, unless it's an uncontested ball, there's no reason he should be 30+ yds out. That ball could've easily bounced off the defender as well. Too risky to go that far out and get it. Also, there was a defender on his hip, the guy might've been out front but it wouldn't be a totally uncontested posession and far from the middle of the field.

My complaint is that he didn't really need to go down to make the play. He could have gone in standing and just crushed it. As a keeper, I've been there. But the best rule of thumb is to keep your feet as long as possible.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:04 PM
Wow, Chile's so fast they're almost scoring before we can watch a replay on the other end. Still hoping Chile wins this, I like seeing the Titans fall.

epicSocialism4tw
06-25-2010, 01:04 PM
Thats not true at all. The scored two outstanding goals against Brazil in the Confed Cup. They scored two outstanding goals against Egypt in that same tournament. They built up and scored a nice goal against Spain in that tournament.

This team can score great goals.

Agreed! LOL

+they possess great fitness and a never say die attitude. They could be dangerous as some teams tighten up in the elimination round. The longer the game is scoreless, the more it favors this team. End of game killer instinct is quite good actually. Best in the whole tourney.

It could be said that the US team's brilliant play has ignited the tournament and inspired teams like Japan and Slovakia.

Smiling Assassin27
06-25-2010, 01:05 PM
Wow, Chile's so fast they're almost scoring before we can watch a replay on the other end. Still hoping Chile wins this, I like seeing the Titans fall.

Paul Westhead's their coach. :giggle:

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:06 PM
My complaint is that he didn't really need to go down to make the play. He could have gone in standing and just crushed it. As a keeper, I've been there. But the best rule of thumb is to keep your feet as long as possible.

Ahh... makes sense. I was thinking the defender was too close for that.

epicSocialism4tw
06-25-2010, 01:06 PM
Geez, Spain's tightening it up. Looks like a pinball machine out there when they control it.

Their off-the-ball movement is perfect.

GOAL Iniesta!

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:06 PM
Another one. This could get ugly for Chile. Spain taking em to the woodshed lately.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:07 PM
And now someone got a second yellow? What fools!

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:08 PM
Is there any contact there?!

epicSocialism4tw
06-25-2010, 01:08 PM
The Mexican ref just failed.

That was not a yellow card.

Smiling Assassin27
06-25-2010, 01:09 PM
Chile's lost their poise. Implosion, dead ahead.

Dutch
06-25-2010, 01:09 PM
Quality goal there. Wheels are officially off for Chile. 10 men against a Spanish team who has shown some fire on the attack. Torres the Divemaster strikes again.....wow.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:11 PM
I'm definitely going back and reviewing if they don't at halftime

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:11 PM
Maybe a very small clip. I'm now on the "get another ref" bandwagon.

Dutch
06-25-2010, 01:11 PM
The Mexican ref just failed.

That was not a yellow card.

Shame really, I was pulling for Chile in this one as they have been pretty fun to watch all the way through.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:16 PM
Chile just didn't deserve to win when they can't keep their composure a half an hour into a scoreless game. They should be on their couches watching as I am. So disappointing to see.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:17 PM
That's crap. Ponce was the one who kicked the guy earlier. He should be gone too.

Dutch
06-25-2010, 01:18 PM
I guess one thing working for Chile is the fact that the Swiss or Honduras don't appear to be able to be able to do anything in their match. I also don't believe that they are that intimidated by the Brazilians, as they have faced them quite a bit. Could be interresting.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:19 PM
Terrible game. Considering watching Honduras and the Swiss. Probably wont but that's the game that matters now. Last I glanced over, Swiss were finally controlling the bar and moving toward the goal.

Dutch
06-25-2010, 01:21 PM
Chile just didn't deserve to win when they can't keep their composure a half an hour into a scoreless game. They should be on their couches watching as I am. So disappointing to see.

ROFL! Harsh, but funny! I get where you are coming from. I wouldn't mind seeing them through as I think they play a compelling game when that is their strategy. Obviously it isn't today. They are not making near the runs upfield they were earlier in the tourney. They are in fair shape on goal diff and I think are milking it.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:21 PM
I guess one thing working for Chile is the fact that the Swiss or Honduras don't appear to be able to be able to do anything in their match. I also don't believe that they are that intimidated by the Brazilians, as they have faced them quite a bit. Could be interresting.

Well since they've given up 2, they closed the GD advantage they had over the Swiss all by themselves. Now Swiss just need a win (which they needed for points) and the Swiss go on. Only the French goal the other day has been scored when down to 10 men, I believe. Doesn't look good for Chile. They're putting all their eggs into the tie or loss basket for the other game.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:34 PM
Yakin comes on to be the "x-factor" for the swiss and tries a one touch shot from the top of the 18 yd box and it almost hits the corner flag.

ROFL!

Dutch
06-25-2010, 01:35 PM
Well since they've given up 2, they closed the GD advantage they had over the Swiss all by themselves. Now Swiss just need a win (which they needed for points) and the Swiss go on. Only the French goal the other day has been scored when down to 10 men, I believe. Doesn't look good for Chile. They're putting all their eggs into the tie or loss basket for the other game.

Yep. I agee. Dangerous approach.

That said...
What a great shot!
GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLLL!!!

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:37 PM
Yep. I agee. Dangerous approach.

That said...
What a great shot!
GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLLL!!!

F-me, I missed it. Stepped out for a second. Who scores immediately out of halftime? Argh...

Dutch
06-25-2010, 01:37 PM
I'm not going to count out Chile getting a tie in this yet. They have looked very good on the attack the last two games. Fearless inside the box.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:38 PM
OK, went back and saw it... very nice. One of those nice touch goals, I love those.

Dutch
06-25-2010, 01:38 PM
F-me, I missed it. Stepped out for a second. Who scores immediately out of halftime? Argh...

Sweet shot from one of the Chilean subs. Strike from outside the box, keeper didn't stand a chance....

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:40 PM
Honduras back to knocking on Swiss door. Swiss not impressing against what may be the 2nd worst team in the tournament (NK reserving those honors). I guess the angry Chileans probably will be going on.

Dutch
06-25-2010, 01:42 PM
Honduras back to knocking on Swiss door. Swiss not impressing against what may be the 2nd worst team in the tournament (NK reserving those honors). I guess the angry Chileans probably will be going on.

Eh. 40 min left in each game....long way to go.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:42 PM
Flashing a thing on their game that said Honduras had 1 shot on goal in all of group play. I heard 3 earlier but, still, if the Swiss can't win that...

Maybe this group needs to just send one team through. Chile is looking pretty decent again but that's how they started the 1st half before they went to poo.

Dutch
06-25-2010, 01:44 PM
Flashing a thing on their game that said Honduras had 1 shot on goal in all of group play. I heard 3 earlier but, still, if the Swiss can't win that...

Maybe this group needs to just send one team through. Chile is looking pretty decent again but that's how they started the 1st half before they went to poo.


Hilarious! Nearly made Guinness come out me nose!

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:46 PM
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Hilarious! Nearly made Guinness come out me nose!

If it happens, just stick out the tongue and redirect it again. No excuse to waste good beer.

Dutch
06-25-2010, 01:46 PM
Nice play and ball movement from both sides. Game opening up a bit.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:49 PM
I wonder if anyone told the Honduras players that if they lose, they're going back to Honduras. To avoid going back to that hole, they should be able to beat any team that takes the field. Never been to South Africa but it absolutely can't be worse.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 01:53 PM
Spain threatening time and time again. They have cleaned up their game these last two games like I wouldn't have believed they could. Amazing how different they look.

Dutch
06-25-2010, 01:53 PM
I wonder if anyone told the Honduras players that if they lose, they're going back to Honduras. To avoid going back to that hole, they should be able to beat any team that takes the field. Never been to South Africa but it absolutely can't be worse.

Been there (back in the late 80's) and yes, it is a pit. I've seen just about the whole planet, and yes, Hondo is a pit. Got some funny funny stories from that place.

Dutch
06-25-2010, 01:54 PM
Spain threatening time and time again. They have cleaned up their game these last two games like I wouldn't have believed they could. Amazing how different they look.

Validates the criticism leveled their way for the play in game 1 against the Swiss.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 02:03 PM
Amazing record for the South American teams. 10-0-4 by their statistic.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 02:05 PM
"He kicked it over the net. How will that help you win? That's so silly."
-Advice to the Spanish team from my 4 year old

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 02:19 PM
This is silly. They're just dribbling around.

SonOfLe-loLang
06-25-2010, 02:23 PM
Thats not true at all. The scored two outstanding goals against Brazil in the Confed Cup. They scored two outstanding goals against Egypt in that same tournament. They built up and scored a nice goal against Spain in that tournament.

This team can score great goals.

The goals they socred against brazil in the confed cup were of the variety i explained. One was on a break away (though that was a sweet pass to Dempsey was it?) The other was a long pass in the box. Great goals, no doubt, but we dont manufacture goals in the box like brazil does. They are master passers in that short area. We just dont have that kind of skill. We are athletic though.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 03:47 PM
ESPN just mentioned that Ghana has scored 2 goals in the entire tournament, both being on penalty kicks. Ironically, they beat the US in '06 on one as well. Divers or coincidence?

Either way, that shows that they aren't the greatest at putting points up. That'll definitely play into the US' strengths as they're solid aside from their defensive play.

Atwater His Ass
06-25-2010, 03:51 PM
There is talk of Thiery Henry coming to MLS as well in the next year or 2....in fact word in serie A and the premier league is alot of current players are talking about finishing there careers in MLS and doing loans like beckham is doing....

I believe he'll be playing for the Red Bulls next season.

epicSocialism4tw
06-25-2010, 05:15 PM
The goals they socred against brazil in the confed cup were of the variety i explained. One was on a break away (though that was a sweet pass to Dempsey was it?) The other was a long pass in the box. Great goals, no doubt, but we dont manufacture goals in the box like brazil does. They are master passers in that short area. We just dont have that kind of skill. We are athletic though.

Um...the goal that Donovan scored against Brazil was one of if not the best developed goals of that tournament. Three absolutely perfect passes and a clinical, unstoppable finish. Perfection. Rico Clark's first-time outlet pass to Donovan was brilliant, Donovan's pass to Davies was perfect, and Davies' return pass was perfect. Then Donovan froze both Ramires and Julio Cesar with a finesse touch and buried a laser in the corner.

It was a classic goal. You wont find a goal better executed. That was top level stuff.

Here it is: <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/xXkModt0v1s&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/xXkModt0v1s&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

epicSocialism4tw
06-25-2010, 05:22 PM
The other goal the US scored against Brazil was top class as well. You're selling them short because theyre Americans. This group of players have changed the perception of Americans around the world because of their play. They dont score cheap goals. They score GREAT goals.

The first goal against Brazil was created with a great display of finess by Dempsey and a great ball in from Spector. Dempsey's flick into the par post corner was outstanding. It was one of the best skill goals I have seen from a US national team player. <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/2iRA0JbfDao&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/2iRA0JbfDao&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

epicSocialism4tw
06-25-2010, 05:26 PM
Look at Bradley and Donovan tear a hole through the Egyptian midfield and defense on this play. Another brilliant goal built out of skill and intelligence:<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/AqlSqt4btfE&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/AqlSqt4btfE&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

Atwater His Ass
06-25-2010, 05:27 PM
It was a great counter attack goal. It certaintly wasn't the type of goal that was built up with possession through the midfield, drawing a defense out with patience, and then making the clinical pass in the final third to punsh an over committing defense.

At the end of the day, not every team can play like Brazil and Spain. You play to your strengths and hope for the best. The US just doesn't have a dominating midfield. Bradley is sorely lacking for a quality partner in the middle. Still would really love to see Donovan moved into the middle and put Holden or Feilhaber out on the wing.

It be really interesting to see a midfield of Bradley, Donovan, Feilhaber, and Holden. Move Dempsey up top to freelance with Altidore running at the defense/targetman type role. That gets all of the best US players on the field at the same time and imo, puts them all at their most dangerous positions. But I've always been a "you score 3? we'll score 4" kind of guy myself.

epicSocialism4tw
06-25-2010, 05:31 PM
Our football is not modeled after Brazil's joga bonito. However, Dunga's Brazil plays a style more similar to ours than to joga bonito. Spain, Chile, and to a lesser extent Argentina are really the only free-flowing offensive teams in the tournament.

Our football is modeled after English and German football...not Brazilian.

epicSocialism4tw
06-25-2010, 05:40 PM
Here are some pictures of the new soccer-specific PPL Park in Philly, where the Union will be bringing the 30k fans they are averaging over from the Vet.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/content/ppl-park-philadelphia-unions-new-home

With riverfront views, this would be an awesome place to spend an evening watching soccer. It looks outstanding.

epicSocialism4tw
06-25-2010, 07:45 PM
The great Andres Cantor calls Donovan's goal against Algeria:

http://www.fanaticos.com/2010/06/23/asi-narro-andres-cantor-el-gol-de-landon-donovan/

epicSocialism4tw
06-25-2010, 07:57 PM
The video synched up with Cantor's radio call: http://deadspin.com/5572603/now-heres-andres-cantor-calling-landon-donovans-gooooooooool

Here's a loose translation:

"Raifi misses it, now on the counterattack Donovan, the ball is ahead of Donovan, Altidore wants it on the right, inside the box it comes, and Dempsey, the keeper stops it, DONOVAN GOAL, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, GOOOOOOOooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, GOOOOOOOOOoooOOOOOOOOooooOOOOOOooooOOOoooOOOL UNITED STATES, Scored by Landon Donovan, Landon Donovan grabs the rebound of a play that he started, on a counterattack after the US team had saved themselves from defeat, Landon Donovan, The best player in the history of the United States, scores the goal that clinches passage to the second round of the World Cup"




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Dutch
06-25-2010, 09:06 PM
LOL That was great!

Orange4Life
06-25-2010, 09:47 PM
I didn't get to watch the game till later that night. All I had at work was ESPN gamecast the whole game. As time ticked down I became more and more pissed. After one minute of stoppage time I minimized the window pissed as all hell. I clicked back to the gamecast expecting to still see 0-0. Instead I saw 1-0 and yelled out a 'HOLY ****!' Good thing the office was mostly empty at the time....

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 10:02 PM
I didn't get to watch the game till later that night. All I had at work was ESPN gamecast the whole game. As time ticked down I became more and more pissed. After one minute of stoppage time I minimized the window pissed as all hell. I clicked back to the gamecast expecting to still see 0-0. Instead I saw 1-0 and yelled out a 'HOLY ****!' Good thing the office was mostly empty at the time....

It was really strange when it happened. In my house (wife and I watching), there was an underlying hope still because both teams seemed to be making runs and abandoning defense. So it almost felt as if it were coming down to hail mary plays and the first team to score would win. It was a tempered excitement though (I screamed in cheer, don't get me wrong) when that ball popped out and Donovan came into the screen since the way the game was going that day, you knew he'd either miss it or it'd be taken back for something. I was cheering but it wasn't until 2 or 3 seconds went by without anyone saying anything that it really sank in that the goal was good. Truly one of those moments that was amazing to live real time as time seemed to come to a stop while we waited to see the result.

It seems silly in retrospect to think just passing into the second round of a tournament we probably wont win mattered so much. At that moment though, time stopped, all was good in the world, and smiles and cheers could not be repressed. Really was a great game.

WABronco
06-25-2010, 10:40 PM
I haven't touched a soccer ball in years, and I've been getting the urge to just get back out to the fields and just tool around. Was looking at cleats online just for kicks...those Nike vapors are now running $400 bucks!>!?!?!? GA DAMN! I remember feeling like a soccer god when I got some Adidas Predators back in the day for like $160....ah the days of being a soccer cleat show off.

That One Guy
06-25-2010, 10:59 PM
I haven't touched a soccer ball in years, and I've been getting the urge to just get back out to the fields and just tool around. Was looking at cleats online just for kicks...those Nike vapors are now running $400 bucks!>!?!?!? GA DAMN! I remember feeling like a soccer god when I got some Adidas Predators back in the day for like $160....ah the days of being a soccer cleat show off.

Holy crap... I had the plain black and white (I think they were Adidas but they might've been a knockoff brand) for like $30. I got out for the first time in years when my son picked up soccer this spring. While he'd practice, I'd go kick it at a goal on another field. I often feel like Al Bundy though as my most proud moments mostly came when I was in the 10-14 range and dominating sports but I can still remember goals I scored or blocked like they just happened last week. Very proud of those moments and it almost makes me want to get into an adult fun league but it's just such a time requirement that I don't think I could do it. I know the feeling though, I get so tempted to knock the rust off my old equipment. Such fond memories.

Atwater His Ass
06-25-2010, 11:05 PM
Predators were bad ass when I was a kid.

epicSocialism4tw
06-25-2010, 11:10 PM
I haven't touched a soccer ball in years, and I've been getting the urge to just get back out to the fields and just tool around. Was looking at cleats online just for kicks...those Nike vapors are now running $400 bucks!>!?!?!? GA DAMN! I remember feeling like a soccer god when I got some Adidas Predators back in the day for like $160....ah the days of being a soccer cleat show off.

Yeah, that's crazy. I still remember the first time I got a pair of Copa's (Adidas Copa Mundials). We didnt have alot of money, so it was a big deal. My parents got them for me when I made a traveling team. In my day, it wa Copa's or Puma Kings. Both of which cost about 100 bucks.

I use Nike Ronaldhinho shoes, which I really like. Theyre really flexible and thin. I can feel the ball better with them. They dont provide alot of support though. They cost about a hundred bucks.

WABronco
06-25-2010, 11:33 PM
http://www.soccerfans.com/images/_full/ADI_10049_F.jpeg
^Yaaaa boyyyyy

Kangaroo leather is all I wanted!

Anyways, funny little article from David Hirshey on ESPN:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/columns/story/_/id/5327421/ce/us/best-worst-group-stage?cc=5901&ver=us

SMARTEST PLAYER: Nicolas Anelka (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/10862), France
Considering the nightmare experienced by the French side over the last two weeks, you have to hand it to the sulky Chelsea striker for his expletive-laced outburst at Raymond Domenech. Anelka's diatribe got him sent home ahead of the guillotine-ready mobs that awaited the rest of Les Miserables upon their return.


Bahahhahahaha

epicSocialism4tw
06-26-2010, 12:10 AM
Amazing record for the South American teams. 10-0-4 by their statistic.

The World Cup is still the apex of football to those guys in those countries. I dont know if most Europeans consistently have the love for it. Germany certainly does.

I think that the Euro tourney takes some of the shine off of the world cup for the Euros. Teams from elsewhere around the world dont get that tournament two years after the world cup. We just have the world cup.

Atwater His Ass
06-26-2010, 12:23 AM
Somewhat understandable since one could argue that the UEFA tournament has a deeper, more talented field than the World Cup.

eddie mac
06-26-2010, 05:28 AM
Believe it or not I've seen Reggie Bush (Saints) out in South Africa teaching some local kids soccer. Bush can play some.

eddie mac
06-26-2010, 05:32 AM
The World Cup is still the apex of football to those guys in those countries. I dont know if most Europeans consistently have the love for it. Germany certainly does.

I think that the Euro tourney takes some of the shine off of the world cup for the Euros. Teams from elsewhere around the world dont get that tournament two years after the world cup. We just have the world cup.

I dont think it's anything to do with that at all. For me especially in this World Cup a lot of European sides are either just not good enough, not playing as a team (France), too old (Italy) or just playing far too negative.

The South Americans have always had the flair but they are starting to get better defensively as well. Between them Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay and Brazil only conceded 4 goals (combined) in 12 games.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 08:08 AM
Pretty evenly matched game so far.

There's a goal though. Let's see if SK can get it back.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 08:56 AM
I just got back from the Netherlands and do those people love their football I tell ya, plus they have awesome colors. I was in a relatively small town called Eindhoven with about 10000 other people watching the game on a big TV they set up outside on this big market square area. There was beer being sold outside and people were dancing in the streets after their team won on Thursday. It was so much fun. I danced and hung out with a bunch of people I did not know and it was great fun. I would send pictures, but given that I was kind of drunk I kept taking really bad pictures that were blurry. Anyway, much more fun then watching the game in the pub in England. No offense to my UK pals or anything but the Dutch really are a blast to be around.

Kid A
06-26-2010, 09:24 AM
Well deserved equalizer there. 1-1.

The Joker
06-26-2010, 09:47 AM
Great game this.

Suarez's 2nd goal was a fitting winner to any tie if it ends like this.

Orange4Life
06-26-2010, 09:54 AM
That was a great warm up. Now lets just start the US game. Go Yanks!

epicSocialism4tw
06-26-2010, 10:01 AM
Somewhat understandable since one could argue that the UEFA tournament has a deeper, more talented field than the World Cup.

Some would argue that, but I would call them Eurosnobs. 6 out of the final 16 in this tournament are European, despite Euro teams making up nearly half of the field. More Euro teams were sent home than teams that remain.

epicSocialism4tw
06-26-2010, 10:06 AM
I just got back from the Netherlands and do those people love their football I tell ya, plus they have awesome colors. I was in a relatively small town called Eindhoven with about 10000 other people watching the game on a big TV they set up outside on this big market square area. There was beer being sold outside and people were dancing in the streets after their team won on Thursday. It was so much fun. I danced and hung out with a bunch of people I did not know and it was great fun. I would send pictures, but given that I was kind of drunk I kept taking really bad pictures that were blurry. Anyway, much more fun then watching the game in the pub in England. No offense to my UK pals or anything but the Dutch really are a blast to be around.

We're having ourselves some nice watch parties here in the US as well. Its pretty cool because they used to be counter-culture events but now we have full blow support. It has been alot of fun.

I'm hoping it can continue for another week.

epicSocialism4tw
06-26-2010, 11:07 AM
USA/Ghana Round of 16 matchup begins in an hour.

Tune in and get behind our boys!

http://toppayingideas.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/landon-donovan-1_1537113i1-e1277316603985.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
06-26-2010, 11:09 AM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/18/article-1287710-0A19582E000005DC-64_468x420.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
06-26-2010, 11:10 AM
http://gulfnews.com/polopoly_fs/landon-donovan-of-the-u-s-scores-against-slovania-1.643100!image/1566805194.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_475/1566805194.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
06-26-2010, 11:12 AM
http://sports.spreadit.org/pics/Donovan.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
06-26-2010, 11:12 AM
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/06/23/alg_worldcup_us.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
06-26-2010, 11:14 AM
Bradley has his clutch goal. Donovan has two.

Its time for Dempsey's clutch goal.

USA 2
Ghana 1

Goals by Jozy Altidore and the winner by Clint Dempsey.

GO YANKS!!!

The Joker
06-26-2010, 11:27 AM
I'm expecting this to be very tight, I've got money on it going to extra time and I don't see it being a high scoring affair at all.

Ghana are a very good side who just have no real quality whatsoever up front, I'd expect they'll have a lot of the ball but I'm not sure how much they'll be able to do with it.

I'm guessing the US just about edges it with a late goal on the counter attack.

elsid13
06-26-2010, 11:46 AM
Getting excited, I was amazed how many US jersey were out today when ran out to quick bit of shopping.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 11:46 AM
Excellent (as usual) sports science segment on ESPN on Penalty Kicks. I love those segments.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 12:03 PM
Oh dear God, there are some very uh colorful Americans being interviewed on Sky...What is wrong with Bill Clinton, he sounds sick...sorry random interviews going on during my pre game.

GO USA!

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 12:06 PM
Oh dear God, there are some very uh colorful Americans being interviewed on Sky...What is wrong with Bill Clinton, he sounds sick...sorry random interviews going on during my pre game.

GO USA!

I commented on Clinton to the wife the other day. He's lost weight and doesn't sound like he used to.

They showed some Americans earlier on ESPN... one guy with USA shaved into his chest and another in an American flag & Landon Donavon matching shirt and pants... looked horrid but as long as they're having fun.

HAT
06-26-2010, 12:11 PM
Stuck at work...Anybody have a good stream?

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 12:12 PM
Stuck at work...Anybody have a good stream?

Are you able to do espn3.com?

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 12:13 PM
I missed the 2nd half of the first game as I had to do some family stuff to appease the wife. The SK goal was solid but wow, what a beaut on that winning goal. That's what makes these guys some of the greatest in the world.

elsid13
06-26-2010, 12:14 PM
I commented on Clinton to the wife the other day. He's lost weight and doesn't sound like he used to.

They showed some Americans earlier on ESPN... one guy with USA shaved into his chest and another in an American flag & Landon Donavon matching shirt and pants... looked horrid but as long as they're having fun.

I think he hit the point where the all the junk food and stress actually caught up with him. He seem to be having fun in SA though.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 12:15 PM
I commented on Clinton to the wife the other day. He's lost weight and doesn't sound like he used to.

They showed some Americans earlier on ESPN... one guy with USA shaved into his chest and another in an American flag & Landon Donavon matching shirt and pants... looked horrid but as long as they're having fun.

I am glad to see the enthusiasm. I quite enjoyed the goofiness of the people in the Netherlands for their game on TV. Lots of friendly drunk people in orange. It was like being in Denver, all that orange. Evidently the royal colors of the Netherlands are orange and blue, which would explain why I like it so much there I suppose. :-)

Now I am equally excited to watch the US game, albeit much quieter from home as I have to pack for another business trip this week to Norway.

HAT
06-26-2010, 12:15 PM
Are you able to do espn3.com?

"""USA vs. Ghana is live on ABC and ESPN Radio. Replay will be available on ESPN3.com at 2:30am ET."""

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 12:18 PM
"""USA vs. Ghana is live on ABC and ESPN Radio. Replay will be available on ESPN3.com at 2:30am ET."""

Oh, wow, uber lame. Must be because it's on ABC and not technically ESPN. That sucks. Hopefully someone can hook ya up.

gunns
06-26-2010, 12:26 PM
I just got back from the Netherlands and do those people love their football I tell ya, plus they have awesome colors. I was in a relatively small town called Eindhoven with about 10000 other people watching the game on a big TV they set up outside on this big market square area. There was beer being sold outside and people were dancing in the streets after their team won on Thursday. It was so much fun. I danced and hung out with a bunch of people I did not know and it was great fun. I would send pictures, but given that I was kind of drunk I kept taking really bad pictures that were blurry. Anyway, much more fun then watching the game in the pub in England. No offense to my UK pals or anything but the Dutch really are a blast to be around.

That's cause they smoke one and are much more mellow. ;D

Netherlands is doing very well.

HAT
06-26-2010, 12:29 PM
Found a decent one...No idea how much the delay is though.

http://jhontvsoccer.blogspot.com/2010/06/channel-1.html

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 12:35 PM
F me... every game.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 12:35 PM
Motherfudgers...damnit!!!!

HAT
06-26-2010, 12:36 PM
F me... every game.

What a sh!t turnover that was.

baja
06-26-2010, 12:37 PM
Gezz they made that look easy

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 12:37 PM
Do not make me break out a can of whoopass gentlemen...

DHallblows
06-26-2010, 12:37 PM
Clark is absolutely ridiculous. Thank god he got the start today...

:oyvey:

Hercules Rockefeller
06-26-2010, 12:38 PM
Ricardo Clark with the giveaway, complete shocker.

Cannot believe Bradley put him back in over Torres or Edu.

Dutch
06-26-2010, 12:38 PM
Same Old, Same Old. We'll get it together......

Dutch
06-26-2010, 12:39 PM
Ricardo Clark with the giveaway, complete shocker.

Cannot believe Bradley put him back in over Torres or Edu.

Might be a fitness/fatigue issue...

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 12:42 PM
Ghana is able to move the ball like they're Brazil. Cut off a lane or something, please.

Orange4Life
06-26-2010, 12:43 PM
That was terrible by Clark! What the hell was he thinking. Every damn game.....

Doggcow
06-26-2010, 12:45 PM
Nice ****ing no call ref. You ****ting me?

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 12:45 PM
Well it started with the turnover but the D didn't do much in closing space on the guy. Follow that up with a well placed ball and it's points for Ghana. Multiple people could've prevented that goal and noone did.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 12:48 PM
Very, Very ugly play so far. Lots to be cleaned up.

Doggcow
06-26-2010, 12:50 PM
Thats illegal in football, ****ing horsecollar

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 12:50 PM
Really Mr Altidore? The best possible scenario was to dribble into 3 opposing players?

Doggcow
06-26-2010, 12:51 PM
Really Mr Altidore? The best possible scenario was to dribble into 3 opposing players?

Did you see him just get horsecollared on the play? It was a ****ing penalty.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 12:52 PM
GO USA! GO USA!

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Doggcow
06-26-2010, 12:59 PM
No Offsides for Ghana apparently.

DHallblows
06-26-2010, 01:01 PM
Clark gone, thank goodness

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:04 PM
F a bird dog, win your 1 v 1s!

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:07 PM
An error in defense? Not USA...

elsid13
06-26-2010, 01:09 PM
Damn Bradley as a coach you need to get your head out of your ass.

WABronco
06-26-2010, 01:17 PM
The next time Findley threatens anyone will be the first....what a scrub. Literally, he's like a high school player who is just faster than everyone.

elsid13
06-26-2010, 01:19 PM
The back line for this team is a disaster. There is no reason that we should be this bad.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:19 PM
The next time Findley threatens anyone will be the first....what a scrub. Literally, he's like a high school player who is just faster than everyone.

Right legged, defender on the left side, only the keeper between you and the net... and he gives a ball that the keeper blocks solidly with his foot.

No touch, no power, no placement... No skill.

elsid13
06-26-2010, 01:22 PM
Right legged, defender on the left side, only the keeper between you and the net... and he gives a ball that the keeper blocks solidly with his foot.

No touch, no power, no placement... No skill.

But he fast.....



BTW I am about to break something.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:23 PM
But he fast.....



BTW I am about to break something.

Yeah, he keeps playing while the vets in Dempsey and Donovan keep scoring the goals. You'd think someone would notice that maybe speed isn't a necessity on this team.

Requiem
06-26-2010, 01:23 PM
Still a lot of soccer left. . . for the Netherlands.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:24 PM
Still a lot of soccer left. . . for the Netherlands.

2nd half has been the US half. Still have hope.

elsid13
06-26-2010, 01:26 PM
Still a lot of soccer left. . . for the Netherlands.

I am about to beat you senseless. I hope you get raped by a rhino.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:27 PM
I am about to beat you senseless. I hope you get raped by a rhino.

LOL! Get 'im!

MplsBronco
06-26-2010, 01:27 PM
I emailed my cousins right before the game asking what the hell is Clark and Findley doing in the starting lineup. I don't get it. Edu should have started and give me Gomez or Buddle up front. At least those guys show a knack for putting the ball in the net. Hell, Gomez had several good chances again Algeria. I don't get it, ****ty lineup to start and Bornstein is weak, nothing creative on the left side. At least play the ball into the box, enough friggen square passes. Very uninspiring performance. A damn shame now that they have everyones' attention.

baja
06-26-2010, 01:28 PM
The back line for this team is a disaster. There is no reason that we should be this bad.

What's this we shiit Euro trash. ;D

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:28 PM
I emailed my cousins right before the game asking what the hell is Clark and Findley doing in the starting lineup. I don't get it. Edu should have started and give me Gomez or Buddle up front. At least those guys show a knack for putting the ball in the net. Hell, Gomez had several good chances again Algeria. I don't get it, ****ty lineup to start and Bornstein is weak, nothing creative on the left side. At least play the ball into the box, enough friggen square passes. Very uninspiring performance. A damn shame that they have everyones' attention.

I'm still good with Bornstein as I had enough of Onyewu the first game I watched him play. The rest, I can't disagree with. It'll be interesting to see what the last two subs are. Too bad he blew one of them with Clark. What a schmuck.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:31 PM
There goes Findley. It's kinda sad when everyone here can see the issues the same as the US coach. You'd think he could see them before the game.

elsid13
06-26-2010, 01:32 PM
What's this we shiit Euro trash. ;D

Euro Trash???? **** you, this blood line has bleeds Red, White and Blue.

Orange4Life
06-26-2010, 01:32 PM
Son of a bitch!

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:33 PM
Finally some ball movement. Nice effort.

Requiem
06-26-2010, 01:33 PM
I am about to beat you senseless. I hope you get raped by a rhino.

Easy soldier!

We've came back in the second half before from worse.

Looks like we are going all out now.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 01:39 PM
there is some weird stuff on youtube, I tell you, but go for the goal USA!

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That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:40 PM
It's not as much disappointing if the US loses this game that they lost, it'll be because they just never were prepared for the game. The 2nd halves are what the team CAN play like but they never do. Makes one wonder why.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:41 PM
Dempsey looked SLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW chasing that. Are their legs completely gone or what?

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:47 PM
Penalty!!!

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:48 PM
Got it!!!

Broncosfreak_56
06-26-2010, 01:48 PM
Goooaaaaaalllllll!!!

elsid13
06-26-2010, 01:48 PM
Yes!!!!!!

HAT
06-26-2010, 01:48 PM
Yes!

elsid13
06-26-2010, 01:49 PM
The short balding **** brings it

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:49 PM
Now the question... do they back off and go back to poo-ball or maintain the attack as they have?

Requiem
06-26-2010, 01:49 PM
We are America. We attack all the time. Boomshakalakanaka.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:49 PM
The short balding **** brings it

Haha... and off the f-ing goalpost. Who hits goalpost on a PK?

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 01:50 PM
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goal. ;D

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 01:53 PM
Nice run Altidore!!! Pop that over the keeper and it's a PK again though.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 01:59 PM
come on my babies, win it.

John Wayne supports this effort.

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That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:03 PM
Big loss for Ghana with that guy.

DBruleU
06-26-2010, 02:04 PM
Big loss for Ghana with that guy.

Good.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:06 PM
US not playing as bad as they did to start nor as good as they were to equalize it.

That looked questionable.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:07 PM
Dempsey has to get abused like no other player out there.

baja
06-26-2010, 02:15 PM
USA needs to win this in regulation they are more spent than the other team

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:17 PM
USA needs to win this in regulation they are more spent than the other team

And because I've picked all my finger nails off. Win this!!!!

baja
06-26-2010, 02:19 PM
And because I've picked all my finger nails off. Win this!!!!

LOL who ever said soccer was not exciting

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 02:20 PM
I am throwing a little extra mojo at you guys, come on USA! Win! ;D

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:21 PM
For all the crap the back line gets (and deserves), I do have to say I'm comfortable when a cross happens that they're gonna get a head on it. That corner was one of the first that a US player hasn't hit solidly and cleared with the head.

elsid13
06-26-2010, 02:21 PM
I am throwing a little extra mojo at you guys, come on USA! Win! ;D

Would that be boob mojo?

Orange4Life
06-26-2010, 02:22 PM
I can't take this. Come on Yanks! We're just trying to win a mother ******* game!

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:22 PM
Anyone have opinions if this goes to PKs?

US players really seemed to lose some hustle after that goal. Maybe they pulled back to play it safe, I don't know, but the game definitely shifted back towards Ghana controlling it again.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 02:23 PM
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GO USA!

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:24 PM
Wow... Altidore out... interesting.

WABronco
06-26-2010, 02:24 PM
Memo to Bradley:

Quit projecting and play players based on HOW THEY PLAY. With how we are talent-wise compared to the world, frankly, anyone who "flashes" the ability to hang and play international-level ball NEEDS TO BE IN THERE. That means, FINDLEY IS ON THE END OF THE FRIGGIN' BENCH. That means, Feilhaber IS ON THE FIELD. That means, DEMPSEY IS UP TOP. <!-- play: 12131496 - 76-->

elsid13
06-26-2010, 02:25 PM
Usa!~~~

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:27 PM
Keepers playing catch here.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:28 PM
Geez...

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 02:28 PM
Damn it! that sucked

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:30 PM
Well, better it happened at the 94th minute in extra time than the 93rd minute in stoppage time.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:30 PM
US playing kickball again. For a while they were controlling the ball so well. What happened...

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 02:32 PM
This just in, "Please just win the motherfeckin game." Cheers USA!

elsid13
06-26-2010, 02:35 PM
I ready to beat someone senseless

KipCorrington25
06-26-2010, 02:40 PM
We need a striker, ours are about as potent as Blob.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 02:42 PM
damn, it's been a while since I saw a world cup in after time, I didn't realize they had so much extra time. Win babies, win.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:43 PM
Boy, it sure is easy in hindsight to say that once Howard came out half way, he should've closed on that ball. Once you narrow that much, your reaction time is almost nothing.

elsid13
06-26-2010, 02:43 PM
damn, it's been a while since I saw a world cup in after time, I didn't realize they had so much extra time. Win babies, win.

We are going to win.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:44 PM
This is bogus. Ghana diving like bitches.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 02:49 PM
Feckin drama king. I don't buy for a second that guy needed a stretcher.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:51 PM
So disappointed in the play of the US team. Played three phases of ball out there. USA gave this one away.

eddie mac
06-26-2010, 02:52 PM
I dont know why fans get animated by the time wasting. The referree adds on exactly every single second whilst play is stopped. If he doesn't he wont be officiating again for a while.

eddie mac
06-26-2010, 02:52 PM
Altidore should never have been taken off.

baja
06-26-2010, 02:53 PM
Is that a fat lady coming down the isle to sing?

Garcia Bronco
06-26-2010, 02:55 PM
This is over. Good job boys, but you just can't beat Ghana.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 02:57 PM
This is over. Good job boys, but until you learn to play a full game, you don't deserve success.

My sentiments exactly.

eddie mac
06-26-2010, 03:00 PM
Unlucky guys.

Garcia Bronco
06-26-2010, 03:01 PM
I have semi-enjoyed watching the world cup, but I think international soccer needs some rules changes to truly be entertaining. For one, when the ball goes out the clock should stop. No more offsides. Goalie can't leave the box. Smaller field and less players.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 03:01 PM
I dont know why fans get animated by the time wasting. The referree adds on exactly every single second whilst play is stopped. If he doesn't he wont be officiating again for a while.

So you think if I go back and time it, all the laying on the gound added up to exactly 2:56? More like 6'

baja
06-26-2010, 03:02 PM
We need Al Davis to buy the team and get some speed in there.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 03:02 PM
Sighh. Ghana wanted it more than we did. We had the opportunity including an added 3 minutes. Congratulations to Ghana.

Love you USA. And I want to marry our goalie, he's awesome.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 03:04 PM
If the US maintains their play the way they started the 2nd half, they win this game and never look back. Instead, they got that goal and went back to the same crap we saw first half. That's mental. Then, they open up in extra time playing kickball rather than moving the ball downfield. I don't care if you're the Brazil, Argentina, Spain, and Portugal all-star team - you don't win by playing undisciplined soccer.

elsid13
06-26-2010, 03:04 PM
I am so pissed right now. Can we leave Bradley in South Africa

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 03:06 PM
I am so pissed right now. Can we leave Bradley in South Africa

Father but not son. Young Bradley was as solid as any player in the tournament. Very few mistakes from him.

The older one... give his seat to a bucket full of malaria infected mosquitoes.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 03:06 PM
If the US maintains their play the way they started the 2nd half, they win this game and never look back. Instead, they got that goal and went back to the same crap we saw first half. That's mental. Then, they open up in extra time playing kickball rather than moving the ball downfield. I don't care if you're the Brazil, Argentina, Spain, and Portugal all-star team - you don't win by playing undisciplined soccer.

This indeed. Now I am off to root for the Netherlands and maybe England since I live here, but I really like the Netherlands. Orange is an excellent color for a football team. ;D

elsid13
06-26-2010, 03:07 PM
We need Bill Gates to buy the USA soccer team and sponsor the best young players in the world to come here.

Rock Chalk
06-26-2010, 03:09 PM
Alright America, back to not giving a **** about soccer for 4 more years.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 03:10 PM
At least the reporter put him on the spot like he should have.

Did he start the best 11 players? Hell no, same as he hasn't for any except MAYBE Algeria. MAYBE.

Orange4Life
06-26-2010, 03:11 PM
Damn. So disappointing. I felt we only played about 35 minutes of quality soccer this game. The other eighty five minutes was ****.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 03:11 PM
Alright America, back to not giving a **** about soccer for 4 more years.

Rock Chalk, could you go piss on Bob's threads or something.

DHallblows
06-26-2010, 03:11 PM
Father but not son. Young Bradley was as solid as any player in the tournament. Very few mistakes from him.

The older one... give his seat to a bucket full of malaria infected mosquitoes.

Bradley was the marginal player that his is, nothing more nothing less.

We have gaping holes at every level on the field beside goalie. It needs to be addressed and until we have a coach that can correctly account for that we'll continue being happy with a birth in the round of 16.

WABronco
06-26-2010, 03:13 PM
Well, this round we had more world-class level players, or at least players who showed they could compete. Hopefully next time around we'll have more coming through the pipeline. Gooch, Altidore, Bradley, etc. Need more players on the wing. Adios Gomez, Findley, and other useless ****s.

WABronco
06-26-2010, 03:15 PM
Go Germany, please crush England.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 03:15 PM
Bradley was the marginal player that his is, nothing more nothing less.

We have gaping holes at every level on the field beside goalie. It needs to be addressed and until we have a coach that can correctly account for that we'll continue being happy with a birth in the round of 16.

I must correct that, obviously he's not as good as any in the tournament. I meant any American in the tournament. He didn't make a lot of flashy plays other than his one goal but he didn't make almost any mistakes. He wasn't one of the guys dribbling into the middle of 2 or 3 players, giving it away at midfield, etc.

baja
06-26-2010, 03:16 PM
Go Mexico tomorrow @ 11:30 Baja time

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 03:19 PM
USA needs to win this in regulation they are more spent than the other team

Had to quote this as it proved to be the absolute truth. US just couldn't hang as the game went on.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 03:19 PM
Well it was fun, will be back tomorrow for the Germany vs England game. ;D

elsid13
06-26-2010, 03:20 PM
Can we nuke Ghana?

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 03:21 PM
Can we nuke Ghana?

I think that might be overkill, but that's just a guess. Now if it was Oakland, I would say that was just about right, probably the only thing that would take out Al Davis. ;D

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 03:21 PM
Damn. So disappointing. I felt we only played about 35 minutes of quality soccer this game. The other eighty five minutes was ****.

To represent your country, bring everyone out like they did in support, and then not be able to give 100% is just shameful.

Donovan possible alluding to something in his post-game interview there, saying they were naive and you can't be naive on this level. Probably tells us everything we need to know about where it went wrong.

elsid13
06-26-2010, 03:22 PM
I think that might be overkill, but that's just a guess. Now if it was Oakland, I would say that was just about right, probably the only thing that would take out Al Davis. ;D

You never let me have any fun. ;D

DHallblows
06-26-2010, 03:23 PM
I must correct that, obviously he's not as good as any in the tournament. I meant any American in the tournament. He didn't make a lot of flashy plays other than his one goal but he didn't make almost any mistakes. He wasn't one of the guys dribbling into the middle of 2 or 3 players, giving it away at midfield, etc.

Well I'll agree that Clark was the significantly worse midfielder, and Bradley DID look better this tournament. But I want more than someone that holds onto the ball and passes it away for someone else to deal with. That's a backup quality player. He needs to be pressing forward and making the tough passes to Landon and Clint on the outsides.
I'm gonna remain a skeptic until I see him continue the solid play in the upcoming years, though.

I really wanna talk about our complete lack of strikers actually. Jozy in all honesty is a #2 striker at this point, we need someone better up there. Davies wouldn't have done it for us either. We have like three #2 strikers but nobody to really earn themselves a goal for us.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 03:25 PM
You never let me have any fun. ;D

Well I tell ya what, come on over with me on my next trip to the Netherlands and we can go watch football with those guys, much fun would be had and very little of it would be remembered. ;D

elsid13
06-26-2010, 03:28 PM
Well I tell ya what, come on over with me on my next trip to the Netherlands and we can go watch football with those guys, much fun would be had and very little of it would be remembered. ;D

If you come back to Fort Belvoir I will take you out. i don't think they are going to let me out of the CONUS for awhile.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 03:31 PM
Well I'll agree that Clark was the significantly worse midfielder, and Bradley DID look better this tournament. But I want more than someone that holds onto the ball and passes it away for someone else to deal with. That's a backup quality player. He needs to be pressing forward and making the tough passes to Landon and Clint on the outsides.
I'm gonna remain a skeptic until I see him continue the solid play in the upcoming years, though.

I really wanna talk about our complete lack of strikers actually. Jozy in all honesty is a #2 striker at this point, we need someone better up there. Davies wouldn't have done it for us either. We have like three #2 strikers but nobody to really earn themselves a goal for us.

Well, really, until the US can maintain some solid ball control, a true striker does no good. The US has to score in quick strikes rather than solid play because they'll give away the ball if given long enough. Their best chances, usually, are let a blazing fast player chase it down and that's where Findley and company come into play.

They say you're only as strong as the weakest link and I think that defined the US team this tournament. They were solid enough to get by but those weak links eventually sank them. Both goals were due to mistakes rather than great opposing play. The 2nd goal was nice but should've never been in position to happen had he been pressured rather than bumped and left to fate.

Jens1893
06-26-2010, 03:31 PM
I dont know why fans get animated by the time wasting. The referree adds on exactly every single second whilst play is stopped. If he doesn't he wont be officiating again for a while.

Do you seriously believe that? Have you ever seen a game with approx 20 mins of added time? I havenīt, but the English referees usually do a far better job at this than the German ones who usually only give 1 minute in the 1st half and 3 in the 2nd.

Miss I.
06-26-2010, 03:33 PM
If you come back to Fort Belvoir I will take you out. i don't think they are going to let me out of the CONUS for awhile.

well I might, might be in Washington DC for the month of August so who knows. ;D

baja
06-26-2010, 03:39 PM
Looked to me like the US partied too much after their last win. They came out flat, woke up in the second half and ran out of gas and got out played in the end. That and we need more speed

DHallblows
06-26-2010, 03:41 PM
Well, really, until the US can maintain some solid ball control, a true striker does no good. The US has to score in quick strikes rather than solid play because they'll give away the ball if given long enough. Their best chances, usually, are let a blazing fast player chase it down and that's where Findley and company come into play.

They say you're only as strong as the weakest link and I think that defined the US team this tournament. They were solid enough to get by but those weak links eventually sank them. Both goals were due to mistakes rather than great opposing play. The 2nd goal was nice but should've never been in position to happen had he been pressured rather than bumped and left to fate.

Well what I'm saying is that our central midfielders need better control with the ball so our strikers can be more useful.
But yeah, I agree with you there

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 03:43 PM
I just went back and looked and the one where the player layed down at the 18 yd box for no reason took 1:15 to get him off the field. The sub where he walked off, another 35 seconds just to make his way across the field. At the 115 mark, there was the header off our guys that took 33 seconds before they were ready to kick their corner.

Not saying it made any difference at all as this team quit at the 90 minute mark but that's 2:23 out of the 2:56 he awarded and that was all in the last 10 minutes of extra time. If there was any more than 39 seconds in the first 20 minutes then it wasn't accounted for. Off the top of my head, I recall the one where Howard was with their guy at the 6 yd box that I believe was in extra time.

It wouldn't have changed the game but the time sure seems to be arbitrary.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 03:46 PM
Well what I'm saying is that our central midfielders need better control with the ball so our strikers can be more useful.
But yeah, I agree with you there

I can definitely agree with that. If we get halfway decent talent in the middle, those strikers should be in the seats next to Bradley on the first train back to South Africa. Yes, I know SA is across ocean and there's no tracks. I'm ok with them trying their luck with a floating train.

SonOfLe-loLang
06-26-2010, 03:50 PM
Theres no real infrastructure for soccer here. I'm sure we have plenty of good immigrants that don't get found. Plus our best athletes play other sports. But you would think out of three hundred million people, we can find players with ball skills

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 03:59 PM
Theres no real infrastructure for soccer here. I'm sure we have plenty of good immigrants that don't get found. Plus our best athletes play other sports. But you would think out of three hundred million people, we can find players with ball skills

Well I'd be content with just the players for about the first 15 minutes of the second half. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, my disappointment doesn't come from the fact that they lost but the fact that they played soooo far beneath their potential. When they're on, they're great. When they're bad, they're giving up goals in 5 and 3 minutes to teams like Ghana who hadn't scored excluding penalty kicks for this whole tournament.

Atwater His Ass
06-26-2010, 04:58 PM
There were 2 problems for the US in this tournament. One is that outside of Bradley, they have zero presence in the midfield. Clark has always been a liability with his reckless play and his inability to mark players. Bradley Sr. doesn't know how to get the best players on the pitch, which compounds the issue.

Secondly is that the US cannot finish. They could have easily scored 4 goals today. Altidore had a poor tournament and I can only hope he can improve his workrate and actually develop some of the absurd amount of natural potential he has.

The inability to score has always been the US achillies heel. I get so tired of hearing all the cliches about work rate, desire, and "can do attitude". That stuff is great, but it won't win you matches all by itself.

Atwater His Ass
06-26-2010, 05:02 PM
At least the reporter put him on the spot like he should have.

Did he start the best 11 players? Hell no, same as he hasn't for any except MAYBE Algeria. MAYBE.

Bob has been doing this since day 1. It's like he cannot see who the best players or how to get the best out of them. He's a tenative coach that doesn't make bold decisions until his back is against the wall. Bringing a guy like Findley, let alone starting him in 3 out of 4 matches is just ridiculous. The US had much better options in bringing in more midfield players and playing a lone ST setup. I'm still confused how a player like Stuart Holden didn't even get a single minute.

I sincerely hope that Bob is let go now, but that only solves half the problem. The US federation has to have the commitment to actually hire a qualified international coach, not a figure head from MLS.

Homer Simpson
06-26-2010, 07:16 PM
Gutted. Heartbroken. That's all.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 07:23 PM
From a buddy's facebook page:

"Ok Ghana you win again. Tell you what...Double or nothing over women's
tennis, basketball, hockey, war, baseball, golf, swimming, diving, oil
spills, box office proceeds, internet porn sites, criminals
incarcerated, women's downhill, bass fishing, NASCAR, or GDP?" -Textsfromlastnight.com<SMALL></SMALL>

strafen
06-26-2010, 07:26 PM
Theres no real infrastructure for soccer here. I'm sure we have plenty of good immigrants that don't get found. Plus our best athletes play other sports. But you would think out of three hundred million people, we can find players with ball skillsIt goes beyond that.
We need to understand the mystique of what soccer is all about.
We need coaches from Europe and South America to coach/teach the sport here in the US.

I think we're competitive enough to play in the World Cup, but we're missing what it takes to win it.

When you see teams like Brazil, Argentina, Germany and Italy you immediately think powerhouse teams and world cup legit contenders.
That should give you an idea where we stand at the moment.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-26-2010, 07:33 PM
There were 2 problems for the US in this tournament. One is that outside of Bradley, they have zero presence in the midfield. Clark has always been a liability with his reckless play and his inability to mark players. Bradley Sr. doesn't know how to get the best players on the pitch, which compounds the issue.

Secondly is that the US cannot finish. They could have easily scored 4 goals today. Altidore had a poor tournament and I can only hope he can improve his workrate and actually develop some of the absurd amount of natural potential he has.

The inability to score has always been the US achillies heel. I get so tired of hearing all the cliches about work rate, desire, and "can do attitude". That stuff is great, but it won't win you matches all by itself.

Agree completely.

Was never a fan of little Bradley up until this WC, but that was probably because I'm not a fan of his father and it bled off onto him. I didn't think Edu was terrible though.

The US would have easily won this game if they had anyone who could finish their chances.

That One Guy
06-26-2010, 07:59 PM
http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup/blog/dirty-tackle/post/Being-coached-by-Bob-Bradley-finally-catches-up-?urn=sow,251589

Other not-fans of Bob Bradley

Can't imagine he'll be the coach anymore. Mistakes or not, we need a scapegoat and he drew the short straw.

Atwater His Ass
06-26-2010, 08:43 PM
Agree completely.

Was never a fan of little Bradley up until this WC, but that was probably because I'm not a fan of his father and it bled off onto him. I didn't think Edu was terrible though.

The US would have easily won this game if they had anyone who could finish their chances.

I suffered from the same problem about a year ago, in that I let my seething hatred for Bob run off on his son. Bradley Jr. is one of the brightest talents we have right now and even though I think his father is a stinker of a coach, it's quite obvious that on a personal level, Jr. has benefited greatly on the mental side of the game by having his father guide him.

Finishing finishing finishing. We all saw it again today. The teams that win finish their chances and make the opposition pay. We saw it with Ghana and Slovenia and every game the US played they could have won if they only had the composure in front of goal.

Atwater His Ass
06-26-2010, 08:47 PM
http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup/blog/dirty-tackle/post/Being-coached-by-Bob-Bradley-finally-catches-up-?urn=sow,251589

Other not-fans of Bob Bradley

Can't imagine he'll be the coach anymore. Mistakes or not, we need a scapegoat and he drew the short straw.

Bob has been a problem on this team since he took over really. He doesn't have the tactical knowledge to lead an international side and he cannot get the best out of his players.

For example in the Ghana game, they come out smoking, yet Bob fails to adjust. He pulls out Clark, but then puts on another defensive midfield player in Edu, and still doesn't change the shape of the midfield. So he waste's a sub to not change anything.

Then you see him FINALLY make the adjustment in the locker room at halftime by bringing on Feilhaber and putting Dempsey up top. The US comes out on fire and dominates until the penalty. Ghana adjusts again by flooding the midfield once more, and that's all she wrote. Completely frustrating.

Orange4Life
06-26-2010, 09:41 PM
Well what I'm saying is that our central midfielders need better control with the ball so our strikers can be more useful.
But yeah, I agree with you there

This.
I think the biggest difference between this team and the 02 team is Claudio Renya. People forget how important he was to that team. He was a master controlling possession and distributing from the midfield.

Ray Finkle
06-26-2010, 10:07 PM
This.
I think the biggest difference between this team and the 02 team is Claudio Renya. People forget how important he was to that team. He was a master controlling possession and distributing from the midfield.

great point....while he didn't put up the stats, he earned the name Captain America for a reason.....Remember it was a big blow when he couldn't play in 94?

I still think this team needs Klinsmann to head this team....

Atwater His Ass
06-26-2010, 11:11 PM
The thing is, and is perhaps the number argument against Bob, is that the US has the players to not dominate the midfield, but provide stability and creativity. Bob just refuses to play those players at the positions required.

My biggest gripe going into this World Cup (as posted all through out this thread) is that Bob likes to isolate both Dempsey and Donovan out on the wings. This doesn't work because without one of those guys in the middle, the US doesn't have the talent at the international level to provide service to those guys on a regular basis. So what you see happen is the US continually bypassing the midfield, playing "smash and grab" long ball.

Instead Bob has insisted on playing 2 defensive midfielders in the middle, Bradley Jr. and usually Clark, but sometimes Edu. He hardly ever gives players like Feilhaber or Torres significant time to play the attacking midfielder role.

However, the obvious answer to this is to pair Donovan in the middle with Bradley. Put Dempsey up top, and use Holden and Feilhaber on the wings. There are other variations, but you get the point. Sure, Donovan's best position is out wide, but not on the international team. The US really needs him to touch the ball and dictate the play. So in reality, Donovan played well in the tournament, but was largely a non-factor outside of a couple brilliant moments.

TomServo
06-27-2010, 02:10 AM
Pele, Beckham(sp)just keep trying to feed us americans soccer(futball) were Not buying. Never will

Atwater His Ass
06-27-2010, 02:22 AM
Pele, Beckham(sp)just keep trying to feed us americans soccer(futball) were Not buying. Never will

lolwut?

you != all Americans.

keep yelling at kids to get off your lawn old man.

Kid A
06-27-2010, 08:02 AM
Go Deutschland!

That One Guy
06-27-2010, 08:08 AM
How the US loss is perceived will make a big difference on whether anyone cares about soccer in the near future or, as some have suggested, if they just forget it for the next four years. If everyone reports it as a dignified loss where the US played proudly, they'll at least have fond memories of soccer and think it wasn't as bad as they thought. If they report it as a failure of a coach on the biggest stage and players who didn't try their hardest, everyone will have a sour taste in their mouth and say soccer is gay, anyways. So far, they're reporting it as a failure of the US team rather than simply being outplayed by Ghana.

Just my opinion, of course.

Miss I.
06-27-2010, 08:16 AM
Well, I can say this about the US lost and perception of most of the people I've talked to, most of them just felt Ghana was playing at a higher level and most people have said they were impressed by how much better and how much stronger the US team appears to have gotten. Some were English, but I also talked to some Dutch, some Canadians (while stuck in a line at the airport) and even other Americans who took pride in our accomplishments.

As for today, Go England. :-)

Though come to think of it, I am going to Berlin for 4th of July Weekend, perhaps I should think about that a bit more ;D

Miss I.
06-27-2010, 08:20 AM
Goal Germany! That was impressive actually.

Kid A
06-27-2010, 08:20 AM
Klose!

Miss I.
06-27-2010, 08:28 AM
what the hell? Who runs the ball into a referee. that was just stupid.