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Smiling Assassin27
06-18-2010, 11:32 AM
All I know is Obama better do something about this. This is the measuing stick by which I will judge his presidency.

God no, keep him as far away from Copenhagen, er, South Africa as possible.

Sincerely,

Chicago Olympic Committee, All Nations at Copenhagen Climate Conference, Jon Corzine, and Arlen Specter.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 11:40 AM
Early reports saying Green will not be in goal today. Sucks for him, you'd like to see him get to regain his confidence. Simple fluke play. Someone the other day on ESPN said if you pull him, you might as well send him back to England and I agree. Feel bad for the guy.

epicSocialism4tw
06-18-2010, 11:48 AM
Will there ever be a World Cup where the US do not get completely jobbed by officiating?

crush17
06-18-2010, 11:49 AM
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/06/19/amd_usa_landon_donovan.jpg


I lol'd

gyldenlove
06-18-2010, 11:50 AM
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/06/19/amd_usa_landon_donovan.jpg


I lol'd

Someone needs to do a jizz in my pants demotivational poster with that goalie ASAP!

epicSocialism4tw
06-18-2010, 11:53 AM
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/06/19/amd_usa_landon_donovan.jpg


I lol'd

That was a wicked strike. Awesome goal. That was one of the best US goals of all time.

Bradley's was phenomenal as well.

Edu's was as clutch as his Old Firm winner...its too bad that a phantom call robbed him of that glory.

epicSocialism4tw
06-18-2010, 12:10 PM
http://www.gonrad.com/201006/mauriceedudisallowed.gif

Requiem
06-18-2010, 12:14 PM
Can't believe the call, but the US needs to do a better job of not sucking early on so they wouldn't be forced into such predicaments. No excuse for poor officiating though.

orange&blue87
06-18-2010, 12:21 PM
Can't believe the call, but the US needs to do a better job of not sucking early on so they wouldn't be forced into such predicaments. No excuse for poor officiating though.

Perfectly stated. It sucks that a should be goal was disallowed, but there is no excuse for leaving the 1st goal scorer unmarked by that much.

I do like the way the US play through, perhaps it prohibits us not getting fouls called, but I'd rather have the dignity of playing strong rather than diving.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 12:24 PM
That was a wicked strike. Awesome goal. That was one of the best US goals of all time.

Bradley's was phenomenal as well.

Edu's was as clutch as his Old Firm winner...its too bad that a phantom call robbed him of that glory.

Agreed. Thundering shot into the top of the net. Looked like a hockey "roof job". Has got to be one of the top of the tourney so far. You look at the difference in the US play with Dempsey moved up (I still can't understand Torres up there, he looked lost). Was an ugly game for Onyewu. Both goals by the Slovenians he was culpable on the plays. Failed to close down Birsa whom he looked to be responsible for, and failed to move up enough to ensure the offsides on Ljubijankic's. I've had patellar tendon issues (cut off and reconnected to each shin in a new spot). He looks to me to be having an issue with his initial push off on that leg. Hope he holds up.

Requiem
06-18-2010, 12:26 PM
Well, at least I can look forward to the Netherlands ass kicking of Japan tomorrow. **** yes.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 12:26 PM
Pulling for a 0-0 tie in this one. Would love to see a few cards tossed out as well. I know, Dagmar. There I go hating again. How did the interview go?

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 12:31 PM
Agreed. Thundering shot into the top of the net. Looked like a hockey "roof job". Has got to be one of the top of the tourney so far. You look at the difference in the US play with Dempsey moved up (I still can't understand Torres up there, he looked lost). Was an ugly game for Onyewu. Both goals by the Slovenians he was culpable on the plays. Failed to close down Birsa whom he looked to be responsible for, and failed to move up enough to ensure the offsides on Ljubijankic's. I've had patellar tendon issues (cut off and reconnected to each shin in a new spot). He looks to me to be having an issue with his initial push off on that leg. Hope he holds up.

Not sure you mean Torres "up there" as Findley was the one everyone was upset with.

I agreed on Onyewu as he seemed to be playing rough. When he did get the ball, he just kicked it and it almost always went to Slovenia. It was not impressive at all.

Lets go, no scoring at all. Unfortunately my screen seems bouncy as heck.

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 12:31 PM
The interview went very well, what I thought would be 20 minutes to a half hour took over an hour. So it was good. Then I came home watched us be really **** for a half to the joy of the equalizer to the rage of the disallowed bull****. So very angry right now. AND I have to root for ENgland vs SLovenia now. Argh.

theAPAOps5
06-18-2010, 12:33 PM
http://www.gonrad.com/201006/mauriceedudisallowed.gif

Someone owes a guy dinner and a callback.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 12:47 PM
Nothing used to piss me off more than a ball that was going directly at the keeper, uncontested, and a stinkin' defender had to go sliding their foot in there for a deflection. I've lost a couple games on those. Luckily that one didn't hurt England as their keeper was on his heels just waiting for it.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 12:49 PM
Anyone else surprised at how much Algeria is controlling the ball? I didn't watch the Algeria Slovenia game and was kinda expecting Algeria to be a very substandard team but they're not really bad at all.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 12:57 PM
Bodog is currently giving +900 for Algeria in this game... so far, they seem like the better squad. All it takes is a few seconds to turn the game but very unimpressed with England so far.

The Joker
06-18-2010, 01:01 PM
Can't believe how **** England look.

They should go with a 4-5-1 IMO.

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 01:03 PM
Can't believe how **** England look.

They should go with a 4-5-1 IMO.

Rooney always is a bit lost on his own, better with Heskey for a foil (that stats back this up).

Lets enjoy it, a draw means the US beat Algeria and they go through.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 01:05 PM
Rooney always is a bit lost on his own, better with Heskey for a foil (that stats back this up).

Lets enjoy it, a draw means the US beat Algeria and they go through.

A draw or a win for Algeria are good for us. The only difference, I think, is a draw means we can go through on a draw against Algeria. If they win here and we draw against them then they go through and we don't.

Add on: And that would suck. The last thing the US needs is to play against a team that doesn't really need a win and could advance with a tie.

The Joker
06-18-2010, 01:08 PM
Rooney always is a bit lost on his own, better with Heskey for a foil (that stats back this up).

Lets enjoy it, a draw means the US beat Algeria and they go through.

I'd let Rooney play from the left.

It's not his best position, but he's played there before and done a good job. Let him have freedom to drift inside, Lennon on the other side would provide enough width.

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 01:10 PM
I'd let Rooney play from the left.

It's not his best position, but he's played there before and done a good job. Let him have freedom to drift inside, Lennon on the other side would provide enough width.

I'd agree, I think Defoe or Crouch are better than Heskey. It's an Italian thing I think.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 01:12 PM
Have I heard the various sportscasters right that some games are being played at sea level while some are played at like 5800 feet? That'd be quite strange, if so.

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 01:14 PM
Have I heard the various sportscasters right that some games are being played at sea level while some are played at like 5800 feet? That'd be quite strange, if so.

Altitude

It is claimed that the altitude of several venues will affect the motion of the ball[26] and impact player performance,[27] although FIFA's medical chief has denied this.[28] Six of the ten venues are over 1200m above sea level, with the two Johannesburg stadia (Soccer City and Ellis Park) the highest at approximately 1750m.[29][30] The stadia in order of altitude are: Soccer City and Ellis Park Stadium, 1753m; Royal Bafokeng Stadium, 1500m; Free State Stadium, 1400m; Peter Mokaba Stadium, 1310m; Loftus Versfeld Stadium, 1214m; Mbombela Stadium, 660m; Cape Town Stadium, Moses Mabhida Stadium and Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium near sea level.[29][30]

Indeed.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 01:15 PM
Indeed.

Wow, thanks for looking that up, amazing.

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 01:25 PM
Wow, thanks for looking that up, amazing.

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy243/artdaley/yuyuyuyu.gif

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 01:29 PM
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy243/artdaley/yuyuyuyu.gif

We should get TJ to incorporate that into the smileys. Not sure what it would be used for but there's always going to be a need for Vuvuzelas in the future.

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 01:40 PM
http://i48.tinypic.com/23ha7o6.jpg

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 01:43 PM
http://i48.tinypic.com/23ha7o6.jpg

Ha! That aint workin' so well...

Natedog24
06-18-2010, 01:44 PM
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy243/artdaley/yuyuyuyu.gif

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6323/vuvuzelahatersgonnahate.gif.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 01:46 PM
Good presence for that keeper. It's working out well that they switched.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 02:14 PM
Two things have now been heard over the vuvuzelas. The USA chant earlier today and now the boos for England :D

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 02:17 PM
Two things have now been heard over the vuvuzelas. The USA chant earlier today and now the boos for England :D

Don't JINX IT!!!

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 02:20 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/Jasper_Johns%27s_%27Flag%27,_Encaustic,_oil_and_co llage_on_fabric_mounted_on_plywood,1954-55.jpg

WIN AND WE ARE IN!

Smiling Assassin27
06-18-2010, 02:21 PM
damn, there is life...

elsid13
06-18-2010, 02:21 PM
Wow England needs to win now and pray. USA wins and we are in!!!!

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 02:21 PM
Good win for US, Extra money in my pocket. Didn't hit the +800 but got the +350 for the tie.

Now the question is, who has the best game as all teams could potentially get through with a win. I think England has the personal talent but they haven't shown it yet. Slovenia and Algeria are close... I think Algeria may be a smidgeon less talented.

Smiling Assassin27
06-18-2010, 02:22 PM
talk about overrated, england's performance in no way matches the hype they've received.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 02:27 PM
Wow England needs to win now and pray. USA wins and we are in!!!!

Isn't the winner of the England Slovenia game automatically in?

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 02:30 PM
Isn't the winner of the England Slovenia game automatically in?

Yup. If the USA win and those two draw it is confusing.

USA wins and they are in though, that is a fact.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 02:30 PM
talk about overrated, england's performance in no way matches the hype they've received.

This. I want a 3 goal win for the US. Although, if we get the top seed it might give us Germany as I think they may end up second out of their group.

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 02:32 PM
Oh and on the British coverage the camera panned to Rooney and he said "Nice to see your home fans booing you" with a horrible sneer apparently. The English fans are going mental!

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 02:32 PM
England fans - http://i49.tinypic.com/qn6w5u.gif

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 02:37 PM
Oh and on the British coverage the camera panned to Rooney and he said "Nice to see your home fans booing you" with a horrible sneer apparently. The English fans are going mental!

A response on a soccer message board.

f**k you rooney.

these people work hard day in day out and travel thousends of miles around the world spending thousends of pounds to watch sh*te like you wander about a pitch with your thumb up your arse. you get paid millions and in retrospect if the fans were as sh*t at their individual jobs as you are at yours then they would be sacked. they have every right to boo you you f**king little wa*ker.

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 02:41 PM
Win and we are through to the round of 16 no matter what.

Draw and a low scoring England draw and we are through ahead of them with Slovenia winning the group, because we have scored 2 more goals than England to this point.

Draw and a Slovenia win and we are through

Draw and an England win and we are out, with England and Slovenia advancing.


Basically forget about the other game and beat Algeria.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-18-2010, 02:43 PM
Yup. If the USA win and those two draw it is confusing.

USA wins and they are in though, that is a fact.

England would only have 3 pts if they draw next week, wouldn't be confusing at all.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-18-2010, 02:44 PM
http://i48.tinypic.com/23ha7o6.jpg

God it would be awesome to see them knocked out in the group stage after that headline after the draw.

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 02:48 PM
England would only have 3 pts if they draw next week, wouldn't be confusing at all.

Yeah I have watched these games back to back and was laughing at England. Brain frazzled after job interview and 4 hours of soccer!

gyldenlove
06-18-2010, 02:54 PM
Yup. If the USA win and those two draw it is confusing.

USA wins and they are in though, that is a fact.

If USA wins and Slovenia and England draw I believe it will come down to goal differential and goals scored to break the tie. Right now that is anybodies guess.

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 02:57 PM
If USA wins and Slovenia and England draw I believe it will come down to goal differential and goals scored to break the tie. Right now that is anybodies guess.

Nah, Hercules is right.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2ywh7id.png

If the USA draw and England draw 0 - 0 or 1 - 1 the US goes through.

Lets just win eh?

gyldenlove
06-18-2010, 02:57 PM
God it would be awesome to see them knocked out in the group stage after that headline after the draw.

Nothing would please me more, every 2 years English people are all exited about how they are going to win a major tournament and every 2 years their team stinks up the place - the disappointment and utter dismay it causes is so heartwarming.

2 people who should not be playing on that team: Heskey and Carragher. Heskey was **** 10 years ago when Liverpool made him the most expensive English player ever in the premiership and he is **** now. He provides no support for Rooney and couldn't hit the goal if they made a mile wide. Defoe would be a much better choice in there since they are not playing long passes and crosses anyway there is no reason to have people who are good at heading.

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 03:02 PM
Carragher to be fair was an emergency call up. They have major defensive injuries but it's actually from midfield forward where they have the most problems!

crush17
06-18-2010, 03:05 PM
That draw actually takes a bit of the sting from our match away... Lets win the next one fellas!

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 03:07 PM
That draw actually takes a bit of the sting from our match away... Lets win the next one fellas!

England will win the next one, I am sure of it. They won't win the whole thing but are being ToRN TO PIECES in the UK media right now. We NEED to win. And think we will.

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 03:09 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/England-are-gonna-win-the-World-Cup-LOL-jk-they-cant-even-beat-Algeria/128565193841311

lol

Hercules Rockefeller
06-18-2010, 03:17 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/England-are-gonna-win-the-World-Cup-LOL-jk-they-cant-even-beat-Algeria/128565193841311

lol

Well I just became a fan of that.

Gotta love The Sun's headline: England Hopes in Rooins

Dagmar
06-18-2010, 03:19 PM
Well I just became a fan of that.

Gotta love The Sun's headline: England Hopes in Rooins

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01068/supersplash_sport__1068487a.jpg

Jens1893
06-18-2010, 03:25 PM
God it would be awesome to see them knocked out in the group stage after that headline after the draw.

You have to take the English tabloids with a grain, or rather several, grains of salt. Canīt wait to see their headlines when they meet ra Germuns!

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 03:50 PM
Honestly, I have to say I'm quite impressed with all of the play in our group. Both Algeria and Slovenia played much better than I would've expected and while England hasn't impressed anyone, they've played a good game without a lot of whining or flopping. Definitely better than some of the groups I've seen play. Whoever goes on has played well and competitive.

Rock Chalk
06-18-2010, 04:04 PM
Soccer still sucks but the US got ****ing hosed today. That incompetent ref should be fired. It'd be one thing if this was his first **** up but he is completely incompetent in every match.

Im rooting for USA and Slovenia now. **** England.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 04:24 PM
Soccer still sucks but the US got ****ing hosed today. That incompetent ref should be fired. It'd be one thing if this was his first **** up but he is completely incompetent in every match.

Im rooting for USA and Slovenia now. **** England.

Well... I guess that's something.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 04:29 PM
By the way, because I still think the rest of the game was horribly called, we can't forget about the faceball yellow card

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orange 4 life
06-18-2010, 04:50 PM
I'm gonna tivo the replay tonight so I didn't really hear about it yet. What did the refs do?
I'm not much of a soccer fan so I don't claim to know but isn't the 2 to 2 tie (especially after a 2 zip lead) really like a loss?
In other words weren't we supposed to win this one?

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 05:18 PM
I'm gonna tivo the replay tonight so I didn't really hear about it yet. What did the refs do?
I'm not much of a soccer fan so I don't claim to know but isn't the 2 to 2 tie (especially after a 2 zip lead) really like a loss?
In other words weren't we supposed to win this one?

We should've won but once you're talking the world cup, nobody sucks.

There were multiple times where the US got into a scoring opportunity and the other team and refs somehow found a way to crap on it. In the one being most publicized, the US scored the go ahead goal but the ref called a foul before the play. In the one I posted a video to, the US had the ball bouncing around in front of the goal but the ref called Findley for taking a ball to the face and gave him a yellow card. I think he thought he saw a handball but there clearly wasn't. It ruined another one. In another instance, a US player had a chance to get a fast break from about the 18 yd box but the Slovenian player practically tackled him and it was called just outside the box for a free kick vs just inside for a penalty.

The US played like a football team from KC for the first half but every time an opportunity arose, it seemed something happened to take it away. Except the two goals, of course, they worked out well. After being down 2-0, being tied at 2-2 was VERY impressive and should make all US fans happy as it kept alive the hopes. US really blew it 1st half.

cutthemdown
06-18-2010, 05:21 PM
What a joke. The refs won't even explain the call? Soccor is a joke, world cup is a joke, how this is the biggest sport is beyond me. Must be because world hates losing to USA all the time so they picked something they knew was so lame we wouln't like it.

BlaK-Argentina
06-18-2010, 05:39 PM
Interesting WC so far.

Some big teams could be going home early. What are the chances of England not making it through?

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 05:51 PM
Interesting WC so far.

Some big teams could be going home early. What are the chances of England not making it through?

Just have to lose to Slovenia and I could definitely see it happening. England may be the better team but Slovenia has played better in the tournament so far.

WABronco
06-18-2010, 05:51 PM
What a joke. The refs won't even explain the call? Soccor is a joke, world cup is a joke, how this is the biggest sport is beyond me. Must be because world hates losing to USA all the time so they picked something they knew was so lame we wouln't like it.

GAHD DARN FOREIGNERS

Anyways, I don't pretend to be 100% up to speed with all the US players, but is losing Findley really going to hurt all that much? He looks about as dynamic as a U-12'er out there.

Missing Davies is starting to suck, because with him it seemed like we had two guys up top who could take on defenses and make something happen.

Was disappointed with Torres a little as well. He seemed a little dangerous with the ball, and not in a good way. In the tune up games he looked like a real international player, but a little shaky out there today, IMO.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 05:53 PM
GAHD DARN FOREIGNERS

Anyways, I don't pretend to be 100% up to speed with all the US players, but is losing Findley really going to hurt all that much? He looks about as dynamic as a U-12'er out there.

Missing Davies is starting to suck, because with him it seemed like we had two guys up top who could take on defenses and make something happen.

I'm in the same boat. Initially I thought it was a bad thing but the guy never did anything so it is what it is.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 08:08 PM
Hopefully FIFA's officiating oversight commitee will look into both the USA and Germany game. The ref's don't have to explain the calls to the players, coaches, or media, but they are accountable to FIFA and on rare occasions they do hand down punishments.

Germany's tournament could also be in jeporady after a card happy ref dismissed Klose (after 2 yellows) by the 37th minute.

Unacceptable offciating peformances at the highest level of football. Very unfortunate.

DenverBrit
06-18-2010, 08:53 PM
What a joke. The refs won't even explain the call? Soccor is a joke, world cup is a joke, how this is the biggest sport is beyond me. Must be because world hates losing to USA all the time so they picked something they knew was so lame we wouln't like it.

LOL It's been around for a few hundred years.

Look on the bright side......Soccer led to Rugby, Rugby led to American Football and the Broncos. ;D

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:58 PM
Hopefully FIFA's officiating oversight commitee will look into both the USA and Germany game. The ref's don't have to explain the calls to the players, coaches, or media, but they are accountable to FIFA and on rare occasions they do hand down punishments.

Germany's tournament could also be in jeporady after a card happy ref dismissed Klose (after 2 yellows) by the 37th minute.

Unacceptable offciating peformances at the highest level of football. Very unfortunate.

With all the publicity on the USA game, I really figure FIFA has to at least make a statement. If they agree, they'll substantiate it. If they disagree, at least they'll get rid of the fool.

DenverBrit
06-18-2010, 09:33 PM
Love the Tabloids. Ha!

http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/jun2010/0/3/cape-clowns-sifr-9202615.jpg

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 10:07 PM
That kinda sucks for Rooney. Forget everyone else, he's the one getting hammered as if he plays for all 11 people.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 10:22 PM
I don't understand how the England players are even able to play at all with the absurd amount of pressure they face from their fans.

Every game they play is hyped up like it's the Broncos in the Super Bowl. X10. Unreal.

cutthemdown
06-18-2010, 10:37 PM
LOL It's been around for a few hundred years.

Look on the bright side......Soccer led to Rugby, Rugby led to American Football and the Broncos. ;D

The bright side maybe there will be a big riot and finally I will have something worth watching.

cutthemdown
06-18-2010, 10:39 PM
LOL It's been around for a few hundred years.

Look on the bright side......Soccer led to Rugby, Rugby led to American Football and the Broncos. ;D

And there are a lot of things that have "been around" that aren't really good right? I mean STD's been around for a long time but they still are about as much fun as soccer.

extralife
06-18-2010, 10:52 PM
No one gives a ****. If you don't like soccer, stay out of the soccer thread.

(it would also be nice if you knew how to read. you say "lol I bet the world likes this only because America doesn't dur dur," the response is "soccer was popular when Americans were shooting each other with muskets" and you slur your way through some tired remark unrelated to the point <i>you</i> originally brought up. way to be a champ.)

epicSocialism4tw
06-18-2010, 10:52 PM
I don't understand how the England players are even able to play at all with the absurd amount of pressure they face from their fans.

Every game they play is hyped up like it's the Broncos in the Super Bowl. X10. Unreal.

No joke.

I like a few of those guys...Gerrard, Rooney, Glen Johnson, Crouch. I think that their play has suffered because their sphincters are clenched so powerfully that theyre tied in knots. To me, it looks like they dont want to be there and they are ready to go home. If that were my nation, I would be unforgiving toward those players. Its like when some of our NBA morons go over to international tournaments and lose. Theres no national pride.

To me, Crouch looked like the only player capable of creating real chances. He was the only player who played with enthusiasm.

Bronco Boy
06-18-2010, 10:58 PM
This year the World Cup has actually gotten me more interested in soccer. I still don't understand it enough to appreciate it though. Plus, this morning when we went down 2-0 I turned the TV off and went back to sleep.

I at least recognize that it takes a supreme athlete to compete in it.

I feel like a lot of sports become popular because of TV exposure. Like if soccer could get a major network contract it would become way more popular. Kind of like how MMA became popular after they started a reality show and showed replays of fights on Spike.

epicSocialism4tw
06-18-2010, 11:06 PM
This year the World Cup has actually gotten me more interested in soccer. I still don't understand it enough to appreciate it though. Plus, this morning when we went down 2-0 I turned the TV off and went back to sleep.

I at least recognize that it takes a supreme athlete to compete in it.

I feel like a lot of sports become popular because of TV exposure. Like if soccer could get a major network contract it would become way more popular. Kind of like how MMA became popular after they started a reality show and showed replays of fights on Spike.

Aw man! You missed a classic American hard-fought, ballsy comeback followed by one of the worst calls in the history of the World Cup. Catch it when it replays on ESPN2 in an hour.

SleepingTiger
06-18-2010, 11:32 PM
GAHD DARN FOREIGNERS

Anyways, I don't pretend to be 100% up to speed with all the US players, but is losing Findley really going to hurt all that much? He looks about as dynamic as a U-12'er out there.

Missing Davies is starting to suck, because with him it seemed like we had two guys up top who could take on defenses and make something happen.

Was disappointed with Torres a little as well. He seemed a little dangerous with the ball, and not in a good way. In the tune up games he looked like a real international player, but a little shaky out there today, IMO.

Findley is lost out there, he had several chances and screwed it up. He has no skill behind the ball, his vision sucks and his playmaking ability is zero. Tell you the truth, I never liked Davies. The only thing he has is speed.

Torres wasn't that bad, he played his position well. Didn't loose the ball, had poise when pressured. I would of liked him to attack more, I'm not sure if Bradley wanted him to stay back.

I thought Altidore played an excellent game. His power and ability to fend off defenders is awesome. He should be doing that every game. That assist he had to setup the equalizer was sweet. I'm not sure if he meant to pass to Bradley or not, but good enough for me.

I would like to see Dempsey play as a behind Altidore as a SS and move Beasley to the wing.

Kid A
06-18-2010, 11:41 PM
This year the World Cup has actually gotten me more interested in soccer. I still don't understand it enough to appreciate it though. Plus, this morning when we went down 2-0 I turned the TV off and went back to sleep.

I at least recognize that it takes a supreme athlete to compete in it.

I feel like a lot of sports become popular because of TV exposure. Like if soccer could get a major network contract it would become way more popular. Kind of like how MMA became popular after they started a reality show and showed replays of fights on Spike.

They are showing a lot more of the Champions League (kind of an all-star tournament of the top European club teams) on ESPN and FOX now. If you are getting interested at all in the sport make a point of watching it when it comes around spring of next year.

ESPN also covers the Euro Cup (every four years, two years after the World Cup) pretty well now too . It's like the World Cup, but just European teams which honestly makes for a more even, talented field overall. It was an amazing tourney in 08 (probably cemented my interest in soccer). The series of upset comebacks the Turkish team went on that year was one of the more amazing runs of games I've seen in any sport, period.

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Atwater His Ass
06-19-2010, 12:04 AM
Looking forward to the Japan-Holland game tonight. I live in Japan and some of my Japanese friends have invited me down to a local bar to watch. Should be fun, they are totally amped after beating Cameroon.

Bronco Boy
06-19-2010, 12:16 AM
They are showing a lot more of the Champions League (kind of an all-star tournament of the top European club teams) on ESPN and FOX now. If you are getting interested at all in the sport make a point of watching it when it comes around spring of next year.

ESPN also covers the Euro Cup (every four years, two years after the World Cup) pretty well now too . It's like the World Cup, but just European teams which honestly makes for a more even, talented field overall. It was an amazing tourney in 08 (probably cemented my interest in soccer). The series of upset comebacks the Turkish team went on that year was one of the more amazing runs of games I've seen in any sport, period.

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Interesting, I'll look for that. Thanks.

ZachKC
06-19-2010, 12:40 AM
This year the World Cup has actually gotten me more interested in soccer. I still don't understand it enough to appreciate it though. Plus, this morning when we went down 2-0 I turned the TV off and went back to sleep.

I at least recognize that it takes a supreme athlete to compete in it.

I feel like a lot of sports become popular because of TV exposure. Like if soccer could get a major network contract it would become way more popular. Kind of like how MMA became popular after they started a reality show and showed replays of fights on Spike.

This is cool to read. This happened for me a few World Cups ago. Although, I have been a bit worried because the nature of a lot of the games that have been played in the group stage so far in this cup haven't been really friendly in the drawing in people that are not already crazy about soccer department.

SleepingTiger
06-19-2010, 12:48 AM
Looking forward to the Japan-Holland game tonight. I live in Japan and some of my Japanese friends have invited me down to a local bar to watch. Should be fun, they are totally amped after beating Cameroon.

Any report on if Robben is fit to play?

Atwater His Ass
06-19-2010, 12:50 AM
This is cool to read. This happened for me a few World Cups ago. Although, I have been a bit worried because the nature of a lot of the games that have been played in the group stage so far in this cup haven't been really friendly in the drawing in people that are not already crazy about soccer department.

Outside of a handful of games, I agree that it has been a pretty drab cup so far. The USA-SLV game was by far the best/most exciting of the tournament.

Argentina has been putting on a show though. Messi was great in the last game against South Korea, being involved in all 4 goals.

Mexico and Uruguay have also looked impressive.

SleepingTiger
06-19-2010, 12:51 AM
This is cool to read. This happened for me a few World Cups ago. Although, I have been a bit worried because the nature of a lot of the games that have been played in the group stage so far in this cup haven't been really friendly in the drawing in people that are not already crazy about soccer department.

I am really hoping to see the US go far into the world cup. Maybe then the game will have exposure and maybe we can have a new generation of Donovans or maybe even a Ronaldo or a El Nino.

Atwater His Ass
06-19-2010, 12:55 AM
Any report on if Robben is fit to play?

Heard he won't be available until their last group game against Cameroon.

Atwater His Ass
06-19-2010, 01:01 AM
I am really hoping to see the US go far into the world cup. Maybe then the game will have exposure and maybe we can have a new generation of Donovans or maybe even a Ronaldo or a El Nino.

I'd love to make the quarters. Don't think it's very realistic to expect anything further.

As sad as it may be, until the US revamps its approach to youth development, we won't be producing any world class players any time soon. The hardest part of that consitutes that the very best athletes are scooped up for the other main American sports. Imagine a team comprised of athletes like LeBron James and Brandon Marshall.

It will be sometime (if ever) before the stereotype of soccer is lifted in America. Will probably always be destined to be something akin to the Olympics; a nice event that happens every few years that the country gets behind, but forgets as soon as it's over.

extralife
06-19-2010, 01:32 AM
All it will take is one legitimate superstar talent. If we produce someone that tears up, say, La Liga, people will begin to take an interest in the fact that the dude is playing in Spain instead of America, you know? The marketing cats will latch on and the ball will get rolling.

Dutch
06-19-2010, 05:29 AM
0730 and getting ready for kickoff. Let's go Orange!!

The Joker
06-19-2010, 06:02 AM
I don't like the way the Dutch are lined up at all.

One of the world's best central midfielders playing on the wing, a center forward on the other wing and Van Persie playing as the lone striker.

Dutch, who will Robben replace if/when he's fully fit? Gotta be Van Bommel surely?

That One Guy
06-19-2010, 07:37 AM
Just caught the last 30 minutes or so of that game. No big mistakes but nothing special, I thought.

Now we get to see AUS try to really make their group interesting.

That One Guy
06-19-2010, 08:11 AM
Aussies with the early goal. Very well done.

DenverBrit
06-19-2010, 08:14 AM
That kinda sucks for Rooney. Forget everyone else, he's the one getting hammered as if he plays for all 11 people.

Unfortunately for Rooney, he has become the face of the England team at a time when they're really stinking it up.

As they're facing 'sudden death' in the next match against Slovenia maybe that will snap them out of whatever funk they're in right now.

Maybe.

That One Guy
06-19-2010, 08:21 AM
Unfortunately for Rooney, he has become the face of the England team at a time when they're really stinking it up.

As they're facing 'sudden death' in the next match against Slovenia maybe that will snap them out of whatever funk they're in right now.

Maybe.

We've seen a lot of teams open it up and play well when they absolutely have to. As if once they lay it on the line and quit playing safe, things turn around. While they haven't won yet, England has yet to trail in a game so it hasn't been a put up or go home scenario yet. Hopefully this next one brings em out of that shell.

If, however, they lose or tie then the US chances increase. IF US wins, I want England to win. If US ties then obviously we can't have that outcome. If only we could know the England outcome before the game. That sure would be nice.

That One Guy
06-19-2010, 08:24 AM
Oh no... Handball and a redcard for the Aussies, that'll turn this game.

DenverBrit
06-19-2010, 08:40 AM
We've seen a lot of teams open it up and play well when they absolutely have to. As if once they lay it on the line and quit playing safe, things turn around. While they haven't won yet, England has yet to trail in a game so it hasn't been a put up or go home scenario yet. Hopefully this next one brings em out of that shell.

If, however, they lose or tie then the US chances increase. IF US wins, I want England to win. If US ties then obviously we can't have that outcome. If only we could know the England outcome before the game. That sure would be nice.

I'd love to see both the US and England get though. :thumbsup:

Garcia Bronco
06-19-2010, 08:56 AM
My ancestory is Welsh and I am an American. Either will be okay with me.

Dagmar
06-19-2010, 09:49 AM
My ancestory is Welsh and I am an American. Either will be okay with me.

Wales isn't in England. Like loving Canada or Mexico because you are from the USA!

Garcia Bronco
06-19-2010, 09:53 AM
Wales isn't in England. Like loving Canada or Mexico because you are from the USA!

True, but it's close enough.

gunns
06-19-2010, 09:56 AM
So am I to assume correctly that because England and Algier had a 0-0 draw, that is to our advantage?

I've got Welsh and Danish in my heritage. And Wales is close enough to England.

Dagmar
06-19-2010, 09:57 AM
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Cameroon looked impotent in attack against Japan and coach Paul Le Guen may opt to use Samuel Eto'o in a more central role rather than wide right. Alexandre Song was a surprise omission against Japan and could return in place of 18-year-old Joel Matip.

Danish forwards Jon Dahl Tomasson (thigh) and Mikkel Beckmann (toe) continue to train alone. Defender Simon Kjaer (knee) and midfielder Daniel Jensen (Achilles) have ****ling injuries but are expected to be available.

One booking from suspension: Nkoulou (Cameroon); Kjaer (Denmark)

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Dagmar
06-19-2010, 11:06 AM
Guys, it has been an absolute pleasure.

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epicSocialism4tw
06-19-2010, 12:38 PM
I'd love to make the quarters. Don't think it's very realistic to expect anything further.

As sad as it may be, until the US revamps its approach to youth development, we won't be producing any world class players any time soon. The hardest part of that consitutes that the very best athletes are scooped up for the other main American sports. Imagine a team comprised of athletes like LeBron James and Brandon Marshall.

It will be sometime (if ever) before the stereotype of soccer is lifted in America. Will probably always be destined to be something akin to the Olympics; a nice event that happens every few years that the country gets behind, but forgets as soon as it's over.

Youth development has already changed, and its MLS who has changed it. MLS youth academies are already sending young players to Mexican and MLS squads after only a few years of its inception, and the quality of young players coming into MLS has been very good over the past couple of seasons.

These acadamies provide high-level training opportunities for kids who cant afford the club system. But its not only for them, its for everyone who is good enough. It has been successful and it will be interesting to see what this contributes to the next two world cup cycles. Its already raising the quality of MLS.

epicSocialism4tw
06-19-2010, 12:41 PM
So am I to assume correctly that because England and Algier had a 0-0 draw, that is to our advantage?

I've got Welsh and Danish in my heritage. And Wales is close enough to England.

Pull for the Danes too. They have a good squad and the Danish people are generally just good people (except for the American descendants ;D ).

gyldenlove
06-19-2010, 03:04 PM
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That lineup is entirely wrong, Kahlenberg and Enevoldsen didn't start.


It should look like this:


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gunns
06-19-2010, 03:34 PM
Pull for the Danes too. They have a good squad and the Danish people are generally just good people (except for the American descendants ;D ).

Hey!

WTG DENMARK!

Dutch
06-19-2010, 05:03 PM
Youth development has already changed, and its MLS who has changed it. MLS youth academies are already sending young players to Mexican and MLS squads after only a few years of its inception, and the quality of young players coming into MLS has been very good over the past couple of seasons.

These acadamies provide high-level training opportunities for kids who cant afford the club system. But its not only for them, its for everyone who is good enough. It has been successful and it will be interesting to see what this contributes to the next two world cup cycles. Its already raising the quality of MLS.

This is all true. I've got a couple of good friends from the UK who are living/working here that have kids in the 8-15 range. They are very impressed with the quality of teams their kids are playing for/against. When they first came over the youngens weren't too thrilled about it, but now they don't want to go back. The oldest of the bunch made an MLS Academy team this year and is loving it. He remarks over and over how complete the aproach is. Nutrition, fitness, fundamentals, film work, and more advanced concepts in Offense/Defense than they expected to find here. We just talked about this a couple of weeks ago at another friends wedding. My freinds wife was laughing about how their son can't wait to go back for the holidays and tell his friends how great it is.

epicSocialism4tw
06-19-2010, 06:58 PM
This is all true. I've got a couple of good friends from the UK who are living/working here that have kids in the 8-15 range. They are very impressed with the quality of teams their kids are playing for/against. When they first came over the youngens weren't too thrilled about it, but now they don't want to go back. The oldest of the bunch made an MLS Academy team this year and is loving it. He remarks over and over how complete the aproach is. Nutrition, fitness, fundamentals, film work, and more advanced concepts in Offense/Defense than they expected to find here. We just talked about this a couple of weeks ago at another friends wedding. My freinds wife was laughing about how their son can't wait to go back for the holidays and tell his friends how great it is.

Theyre also implementing more of a practice-oriented system where the teams play less games and practice skills more. If anyone else played competitive club ball, you remember the insane amount of games you play over the span of a year. I played for spring and fall seasons, travel tournaments during summer and winter, and for my high school at the turn of the year. There are alot of games. I also played american football, basketball, baseball (sometimes), and ran track, so I was literally busy playing sports at all times.

With the academies, they are focusing on practice...which is what the rest of the world does for the most part. Thats where the individual skill develops.

Atwater His Ass
06-19-2010, 06:59 PM
Youth development has already changed, and its MLS who has changed it. MLS youth academies are already sending young players to Mexican and MLS squads after only a few years of its inception, and the quality of young players coming into MLS has been very good over the past couple of seasons.

These acadamies provide high-level training opportunities for kids who cant afford the club system. But its not only for them, its for everyone who is good enough. It has been successful and it will be interesting to see what this contributes to the next two world cup cycles. Its already raising the quality of MLS.

The biggest problem is still using college as the prime source for MLS players, much like how the NFL operates with the draft.

I'm aware of the MLS academies and I think they are a great start. Particualary due to the emphasis private clubs put on winning at the youth level and not on skill development.

However, some of the challenges continue to be the American culture about soccer. It's still sub-tier compared to college development and obtaining a degree. Becoming a professional soccer player just isn't considered plan A, like how a talented football/basketball/baseball player would be routed and encouraged towards a professional career.

Which also compounds the issue. Since in America, the route to becoming a professional football/basketball/baseball player is through the college system. This is convienent as it provides the backdrop of getting an education, even if it's a false illusion, while being able to develop their natural athletic talents against the best of the best among their piers.

For soccer, going through the college system is almost the worst way to become a professional player as it inadequately prepares the best players for a professional career. The disconnect continues to be around the U-20 level, where the player has to make a choice about getting the almighty college degree and thus retarding his soccer development, or making the choice to focus on the sport.

Throw in also that the salary level of playing in MLS pales (being kind here) in comparison to any of the other major sports. So obviously it's not seen as worth the risk of throwing all your eggs in one basket to make it to the MLS.

That's all without even having the discussion about how soccer in America is only picking at a selection of athletes that aren't good enough to make it in a more lucrative sport. The attitude that soccer is a youth sport and the ignorance of most American's about the opportunities and cultures of foreign countires as it relates to soccer just continues to pile on.

epicSocialism4tw
06-19-2010, 07:35 PM
The biggest problem is still using college as the prime source for MLS players, much like how the NFL operates with the draft.

I dont think its that cut and dried. Alot of international players come here to play at colleges to earn a degree they couldnt earn at home.

Some players come up through academies or the residency program and go to college to get more competitive experience before going pro.

Some players go right from the academy to the squad. This has happened a few times over the last couple of years, and this will be increasingly common.

I'm aware of the MLS academies and I think they are a great start. Particualary due to the emphasis private clubs put on winning at the youth level and not on skill development.

However, some of the challenges continue to be the American culture about soccer. It's still sub-tier compared to college development and obtaining a degree. Becoming a professional soccer player just isn't considered plan A, like how a talented football/basketball/baseball player would be routed and encouraged towards a professional career.

I think that this speaks to the demographic of a soccer player rather than to the ability to play professionally or not. There are leagues all over the world with Americans playing in them...from Vietnam to Argentina to Sweden.

The number of players going directly from college to pro leagues is significant. Clint Mathis, Steve Cherundolo, Claudio Reyna, Gregg Berhalter, Josh Wolff, and others did this, as well as Charlie Davies, Alejandro Bedoya, Marcus Tracy, Cody Arnoux, Jay DeMerit, and a number of others. To list them all here would be superfluous. There are channels in place to funnel these players to clubs overseas.

For soccer, going through the college system is almost the worst way to become a professional player as it inadequately prepares the best players for a professional career. The disconnect continues to be around the U-20 level, where the player has to make a choice about getting the almighty college degree and thus retarding his soccer development, or making the choice to focus on the sport.

Throw in also that the salary level of playing in MLS pales (being kind here) in comparison to any of the other major sports. So obviously it's not seen as worth the risk of throwing all your eggs in one basket to make it to the MLS.

I have several friends who were brilliant players in college, but were not of the quality of MLS. One of whom was the first pick in the draft one year. College players as a whole aim for professional careers. Some of them just arent good enough. I would think that the percentage of college soccer players that play professionally is similar to what it is in other American sports. The compensation is better than what most would get out of college at another job, and the earning opportunity is greater than most careers. I dont see this as a problem.

That's all without even having the discussion about how soccer in America is only picking at a selection of athletes that aren't good enough to make it in a more lucrative sport. The attitude that soccer is a youth sport and the ignorance of most American's about the opportunities and cultures of foreign countires as it relates to soccer just continues to pile on.

I dont agree with this at all. Michael Bradley could have played any sport he wanted, and his family pretty much does play every American sport...his uncle played in MLB. Some of the Everton staff said that Landon Donovan had the acceleratoin of an Olympic sprinter. Jozy Altidore is a phenomenal athlete. Ricardo Clark, Mo Edu, Oguchi Onyewu, Jonathan Bornstein, and Edson Buddle are all phenomenal athletes.

Does soccer lose athletes to other more lucrative stateside sports? Of course, but those other sports lose players to soccer as well. I had coaches from other sports who tried to convert me, and so did my brother. We chose soccer because we enjoyed it more. Many of my friends from club ball were always recruited by high school coaches, but turned them down to play college soccer. The door swings both ways.

When MLS becomes as popular as the NBA (and it will within the next 20 years...it appeals to a broader audience), the player pool will become all the deeper.

That One Guy
06-19-2010, 07:50 PM
I don't want to sound arrogant but I think you have to be, mentally, on a average (or better) mental capacity to play soccer.. The very first thing you have to be able to do is evaluate what you want to do. People playing soccer have to overcome the social stigma of playing a kid's game and that takes an independant thinker. Some of the best athletes in the NFL and NBA are as dumb, irresponsible, or uneducated as anyone you'll know in your lifetime. As many are on the verge of being retarded, their sport absolutely becomes their life and they are guided by society. I think that just overall breeds a different mentality to the player and makes a different breed of person a potential soccer playing candidate.

Soccer players, swimmers, etc are just a different kind of person than football players, basketball players, etc.

That One Guy
06-19-2010, 08:25 PM
As expected, soccer is on the rise in the US. With the US being the largest population of any country in the world cup, it'll be in FIFA's interests to ensure the US doesn't get screwed over in the future as they did yesterday. The better the US does, the more people watch and the more the game spreads.

The United States’ controversial 2-2 World Cup draw with Slovenia, in which an apparent late go-ahead goal for the Americans was disallowed by a referee who didn’t explain his decision, drew the most households for a soccer match in ESPN’s history.
Friday’s game, which began at 10 a.m. EDT, received a 3.9 fast national rating, ESPN said Saturday, and was seen in 3,906,000 homes. The 5.2 million viewers were the third-most for soccer on the cable network, trailing only 5.85 million for Italy’s 2-0 overtime win over Germany in the 2006 semifinals and 5,353,000 for Germany’s 1-0 victory over the United States in the 2002 quarterfinals, a match that began at 7:30 a.m. EDT.
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The first 23 World Cup games through Friday on ABC and ESPN averaged a 1.9 rating, up 60 percent from a 1.2 for a similar period four years ago. Households increased 66 percent from 1,336,000 to 2,333,000 and viewers went up 71 percent from 1,720,000 to 2,950,000.

epicSocialism4tw
06-19-2010, 08:28 PM
I don't want to sound arrogant but I think you have to be, mentally, on a average (or better) mental capacity to play soccer.. The very first thing you have to be able to do is evaluate what you want to do. People playing soccer have to overcome the social stigma of playing a kid's game and that takes an independant thinker. Some of the best athletes in the NFL and NBA are as dumb, irresponsible, or uneducated as anyone you'll know in your lifetime. As many are on the verge of being retarded, their sport absolutely becomes their life and they are guided by society. I think that just overall breeds a different mentality to the player and makes a different breed of person a potential soccer playing candidate.

Soccer players, swimmers, etc are just a different kind of person than football players, basketball players, etc.

I do think that soccer requires a higher intelligence to play. Soccer players think about the game on the field the same way that a point guard does in the NBA. That doesnt mean that some of them arent idiots, because they are. Great soccer players are artists of athleticism and skill. Zidane, Medved, Pirlo, Sneijder, etc. They do something akin to athletic jazz out there where they can instantly piece together these interplays of ball trajectory and player movement, and then can use their skill to implement the action. Similar to a QB finding a WR in a crowded field and hitting him between the numbers, but even more complicated because there is only a loose framework of player movement to play with, and all of that is based on the decisions of the people you play with. You dont know that player Q will be at coordiate X,Y...you have to predict that they will move there and how they will put that into action.

Its a pleasing game for the mind, for sure. There's nothing more fun in sports than completing a great through ball that broke the opposing defense into pieces. I have always liked that better than scoring because you change the way that players are oriented on the field...like moving all of the pieces on a chess board to your advantage with one move.

Atwater His Ass
06-19-2010, 08:38 PM
Don't want to derail this thread too much further, but I think we will have to agree to disagree.

It's nice that the US has some talented athletes, but they are not the cream of the crop like the other sports get. That's just a fact. This is a cultural problem based in the stigma of how soccer is perceived in America. It's seen as something you do when you are a kid and generally grow out of sometime during high school.

The money side, it's not fair to compare it to average jobs coming out of college to an MLS career. Thats talking apples to oranges. We're talking about attracting the best athletes to develop and it starts with money and potential earnings so you absolutely have to compare it to what the other sports in the US make. Family's invest significant time and money in sports and if the lure of making big bucks in the future isn't there for the elite athlete, it makes the choice to avoid soccer much easier.

It's also worth to note that the MLS academys are in some cases rubbing communities the wrong way. Youth club level soccer is a business. The MLS is coming in as a competing entity and is not welcome in all places because of the money being taken away from the local youth clubs. This is a transition phase, and I do absolutely love the MLS starting to become more involved in youth development, but it has a long way to go.

Countries like England have a league and youth system set up with the main purpose of finding, developing, and training players to compete at the international level. I don't think the US will ever acheive that level of commitment, which in the long run, makes it difficult to compete with the top footballing countries in the world.

gyldenlove
06-19-2010, 08:53 PM
I don't want to sound arrogant but I think you have to be, mentally, on a average (or better) mental capacity to play soccer.. The very first thing you have to be able to do is evaluate what you want to do. People playing soccer have to overcome the social stigma of playing a kid's game and that takes an independant thinker. Some of the best athletes in the NFL and NBA are as dumb, irresponsible, or uneducated as anyone you'll know in your lifetime. As many are on the verge of being retarded, their sport absolutely becomes their life and they are guided by society. I think that just overall breeds a different mentality to the player and makes a different breed of person a potential soccer playing candidate.

Soccer players, swimmers, etc are just a different kind of person than football players, basketball players, etc.

One of the reasons that soccer players for the most part have to be at least averagely intelligent is that a good athlete is not going to be a good soccer player. Even the biggest, fastest and strongest guy is never going to make it pro in soccer if he doesn't understand the tactics, the positioning and the scheme of the entire team.

In basketball to some extend if you are big, strong and fast enough you can play, you are not going to dominate but you can play. In football at least for some positions you can break down what is going on so much that even a child could understand a position.

You can be a very average athelete but still be a great soccer player if your technique is good enough and you understand the game well enough to be able to predict what is going to happen.

That is not to say that all soccer players are smart, there are some dim bulbs to be found surely, but it is very hard to be a good player if you do not understand what the other 21 players on the field are doing.

That One Guy
06-19-2010, 09:56 PM
One of the reasons that soccer players for the most part have to be at least averagely intelligent is that a good athlete is not going to be a good soccer player. Even the biggest, fastest and strongest guy is never going to make it pro in soccer if he doesn't understand the tactics, the positioning and the scheme of the entire team.

In basketball to some extend if you are big, strong and fast enough you can play, you are not going to dominate but you can play. In football at least for some positions you can break down what is going on so much that even a child could understand a position.

You can be a very average athelete but still be a great soccer player if your technique is good enough and you understand the game well enough to be able to predict what is going to happen.

That is not to say that all soccer players are smart, there are some dim bulbs to be found surely, but it is very hard to be a good player if you do not understand what the other 21 players on the field are doing.

Agreed on what you and McSkillet said. I think that'll impede ever being able to compare soccer athletes with other ones for those very same reasons. Heyward-Bey for Oakland got drafted almost 100% exclusively because he was so fast. For gosh sakes, he's a receiver that can't even catch! No one trick player like that could ever survive in soccer, he'd be the weakest of weak links.

Atwater His Ass
06-19-2010, 10:18 PM
I think you guys are vastly underselling what the elite athletes in the US are capable of. You cannot teach things like speed. However, you can teach a player technique, ball skills, etc., and how to adapt mentally to different situations.

I'm not trying to say that any elite athlete in American sports could just as easily be a star in soccer; however if that same player was given the training, mentorship, and could overcome the societal downgrading of soccer, and allowed to develop as a professional footballer, the USA would be much more of a competitive country.

That One Guy
06-19-2010, 10:41 PM
I think you guys are vastly underselling what the elite athletes in the US are capable of. You cannot teach things like speed. However, you can teach a player technique, ball skills, etc., and how to adapt mentally to different situations.

I'm not trying to say that any elite athlete in American sports could just as easily be a star in soccer; however if that same player was given the training, mentorship, and could overcome the societal downgrading of soccer, and allowed to develop as a professional footballer, the USA would be much more of a competitive country.

So just consider what you're stating there. 1st, he'd have to come from elite athleticism stock. Next, he'd have to overcome the stigmas and stereotyping of soccer. Then, now that he's gotten some mix of amazing athletic skills but still mature enough to not stereotype based on society's misconceptions, THEN, he has to find his way into a top tier training and mentorship program.

When I think NFL or NBA elite athlete (we're talking speed and coordination), I rarely see any of the qualities that would be necessary. If you compare the backgrounds of soccer players with those elite athletes we'd need to tap into, I think you'll find some differences.

Then, once all that's been taken into consideration, they'd have to overcome the American media to survive and not collapse in the way Freddy Adu did. I don't see those planets aligning anytime soon. MLS isn't gonna compete with NBA or NFL for that absolute freak athlete anytime in my lifetime.

Atwater His Ass
06-19-2010, 10:47 PM
So just consider what you're stating there. 1st, he'd have to come from elite athleticism stock. Next, he'd have to overcome the stigmas and stereotyping of soccer. Then, now that he's gotten some mix of amazing athletic skills but still mature enough to not stereotype based on society's misconceptions, THEN, he has to find his way into a top tier training and mentorship program.

When I think NFL or NBA elite athlete (we're talking speed and coordination), I rarely see any of the qualities that would be necessary. If you compare the backgrounds of soccer players with those elite athletes we'd need to tap into, I think you'll find some differences.

Then, once all that's been taken into consideration, they'd have to overcome the American media to survive and not collapse in the way Freddy Adu did. I don't see those planets aligning anytime soon. MLS isn't gonna compete with NBA or NFL for that absolute freak athlete anytime in my lifetime.

Again, you're greatly stereotyping and underselling the quality of the elite American athlete.

But then on the other hand you seem to be agreeing with me by commenting that MLS cannot compete with the NBA, MLB, or NFL? All of these prospects face the same challenges as you pointed out above, excpet when it comes to soccer there are 2 very large obstacles: 1) money, 2) cultural stigma

My point is that the entire culture of how America thinks about soccer would need to change in order to have access to the best athletes available. The US has a large enough population, that we can currently compete by taking the "left overs", but I am of the opinion that our team could be amazing if soccer was prioritized over the other sports. Just a fool's dream I know, but still.

I guess I'm just confused. Are you attempting to say that the current US team is the best it could possibly be? Are you trying to sell that in other countries that the ultimate goal for the elite athlete is NOT to be part of their international team? Because that is exactly what the US faces on the international front. I don't accept that it's "ok" for the US to set its goals to things like challenging Mexico for CONCACAF supremacy or only qualifing for the round of 16 in a World Cup. I cannot stand the fact that we send a "B" team to Copa America, a place where we should be striving to compete and get experience for our best players. We should be striving to become world champions.

And all of that comes to the crux of the issue for me. I do not feel in anyway shape or form that the US soccer federation is doing all that it can to ensure that the US can compete with the elite footballing nations of the world. This world cup (and build up) in particular was very dissapointing for me. So much so in fact that I cancelled my plans to attend in South Africa because I didn't feel the federation had done enough to make this team competitive. I am hoping for changes prior to 2014 in Brazil as I will not miss the chance to see a World Cup in Brazil, regardless of the fumblings of the US federation.

That One Guy
06-19-2010, 10:59 PM
Again, you're greatly stereotyping and underselling the quality of the elite American athlete.

But then on the other hand you seem to be agreeing with me by commenting that MLS cannot compete with the NBA, MLB, or NFL? All of these prospects face the same challenges as you pointed out above, excpet when it comes to soccer there are 2 very large obstacles: 1) money, 2) cultural stigma

My point is that the entire culture of how America thinks about soccer would need to change in order to have access to the best athletes available. The US has a large enough population, that we can currently compete by taking the "left overs", but I am of the opinion that our team could be amazing if soccer was prioritized over the other sports. Just a fool's dream I know, but still.

I guess I'm just confused. Are you attempting to say that the current US team is the best it could possibly be? Are you trying to sell that in other countries that the ultimate goal for the elite athlete is NOT to be part of their international team? Because that is exactly what the US faces on the international front. I don't accept that it's "ok" for the US to set its goals to things like challenging Mexico for CONCACAF supremacy or only qualifing for the round of 16 in a World Cup. I cannot stand the fact that we send a "B" team to Copa America, a place where we should be striving to compete and get experience for our best players. We should be striving to become world champions.

And all of that comes to the crux of the issue for me. I do not feel in anyway shape or form that the US soccer federation is doing all that it can to ensure that the US can compete with the elite footballing nations of the world. This world cup (and build up) in particular was very dissapointing for me. So much so in fact that I cancelled my plans to attend in South Africa because I didn't feel the federation had done enough to make this team competitive. I am hoping for changes prior to 2014 in Brazil as I will not miss the chance to see a World Cup in Brazil, regardless of the fumblings of the US federation.

Stereotyping, definitely. Underselling, no. I can appreciate the quality of the elite athlete in our country. Just saying that those who are going to become elite players have to choose their path early in life and dedicate themselves to it and it seems half the people running a 4.3 in the NFL are putting out barely literate tweets and whatnot. That personality is not what we're going to see pursuing soccer. That same uneducated ignorance is what continues to funnel everyone toward the possibility of a fringe NFL career despite the reality that they may be better elsewhere.

So to simplify it in my most clearly stereotypical way:

Most elite athletes=dumb as rocks = go with the publicity and popularity of football or basketball because they're incapable of thinking for themselves

Smarter or more educated children = more capable of independant thought = more likely to pursue something other than most popular path

That One Guy
06-19-2010, 11:02 PM
And with a population like we have, we could definitely be one of the world powers in the sport. The best of the best though have to be born into the sport and that will take at least one generation for the possibility to even exist. The ones playing soccer today are more likely to be of the middle/upper class variety while more of our elite athletes aren't coming from that same demographic. We need those lines to blur before the possibility really exists to tap into the BEST of the world that we could offer. I don't think you grow a once in a lifetime player, he's born.

Atwater His Ass
06-19-2010, 11:11 PM
Stereotyping, definitely. Underselling, no. I can appreciate the quality of the elite athlete in our country. Just saying that those who are going to become elite players have to choose their path early in life and dedicate themselves to it and it seems half the people running a 4.3 in the NFL are putting out barely literate tweets and whatnot. That personality is not what we're going to see pursuing soccer. That same uneducated ignorance is what continues to funnel everyone toward the possibility of a fringe NFL career despite the reality that they may be better elsewhere.

So to simplify it in my most clearly stereotypical way:

Most elite athletes=dumb as rocks = go with the publicity and popularity of football or basketball because they're incapable of thinking for themselves

Smarter or more educated children = more capable of independant thought = more likely to pursue something other than most popular path

I don't agree that they choose that path because they are "dumb". I believe they choose that path because of the money involved. And who can blame them? It's a defense mechanism to dismiss these guys as potential stars for American soccer because they are "dumb".

These guys get the stereotypical "dumb" label because they do nothing be train and develop for the sport they are playing. Things like education aren't importent, not only to them, but also to the society the encourages their decisions based on the fact that they can run fast, throw a ball a long way, or hit a ball out of the park.

Funnel these same guys through a developmental soccer academy with the societal encourgament seen on the other major sports, and all of a sudden America is a force on the world stage.

The collataeral damage to this approach is of course, what happens to the other 99% of players that don't make it and now have nothing to fall back on, i.e., college degree?

Atwater His Ass
06-19-2010, 11:16 PM
And with a population like we have, we could definitely be one of the world powers in the sport. The best of the best though have to be born into the sport and that will take at least one generation for the possibility to even exist. The ones playing soccer today are more likely to be of the middle/upper class variety while more of our elite athletes aren't coming from that same demographic. We need those lines to blur before the possibility really exists to tap into the BEST of the world that we could offer. I don't think you grow a once in a lifetime player, he's born.

Yes, the raw population of the USA is a benefit. The downfall is of course what I've been arguing this entire time, that the cream of the crop goes elsewhere, for a variety of reasons.

You are foolish (let's say "optomistic") to think that the US is only 1 generation away from this transformation. I'd love to be wrong about that, but I doubt it.

The thing with soccer in the US, is that it cost a lot of money to play at the youth club level. Whereas in other countries, that opportunity is provided for free because they exist, in most part, to develop talent at the international level. The MLS has started to take positive steps in that direction, but as it stands, youth development in this country is severly lacking, and has been for all time.

I will disagree to the grave about a "once in a lifetime" player being born not cultured. Yes they have to have an inate abilty, but that ability also has to be developed. There's a reason the Brazil's, Italy's, Germany's, England's of the world are among the best world cup in and world cup out. And it's not because they are lucky enough to have once in a lifetime players born in that country and not other countries.

KipCorrington25
06-19-2010, 11:45 PM
And with a population like we have, we could definitely be one of the world powers in the sport. The best of the best though have to be born into the sport and that will take at least one generation for the possibility to even exist. The ones playing soccer today are more likely to be of the middle/upper class variety while more of our elite athletes aren't coming from that same demographic. We need those lines to blur before the possibility really exists to tap into the BEST of the world that we could offer. I don't think you grow a once in a lifetime player, he's born.

Flawed logic, so why isn't India a power in American Football or powerlifting.

That One Guy
06-20-2010, 12:43 AM
Flawed logic, so why isn't India a power in American Football or powerlifting.

Well, maybe because just about every one I've ever known was skinny and scrawny. No protein in their diet, I guess.

That One Guy
06-20-2010, 12:50 AM
Yes, the raw population of the USA is a benefit. The downfall is of course what I've been arguing this entire time, that the cream of the crop goes elsewhere, for a variety of reasons.

You are foolish (let's say "optomistic") to think that the US is only 1 generation away from this transformation. I'd love to be wrong about that, but I doubt it.

The thing with soccer in the US, is that it cost a lot of money to play at the youth club level. Whereas in other countries, that opportunity is provided for free because they exist, in most part, to develop talent at the international level. The MLS has started to take positive steps in that direction, but as it stands, youth development in this country is severly lacking, and has been for all time.

I will disagree to the grave about a "once in a lifetime" player being born not cultured. Yes they have to have an inate abilty, but that ability also has to be developed. There's a reason the Brazil's, Italy's, Germany's, England's of the world are among the best world cup in and world cup out. And it's not because they are lucky enough to have once in a lifetime players born in that country and not other countries.

I said they had to be born into the sport. My son plays 4 year old soccer and it's a joke how hectic and chaotic it is. There's no structure, nothing really learned, just chase the ball. I bet there's 4 year old teams in other countries that have played since their first step and would amaze us all. That's what I was referring to and no elite athletic prospect in today's US is going to be anything comparable. We just don't have the society that embraces it. Football or basketball, however, are different stories.

And I think soccer will really hit by my grandkids time. Imagine how far it has come in the last 20 years. All we need is a miracle team to make the finals and there will be no looking back.

DBruleU
06-20-2010, 08:43 AM
Flawed logic, so why isn't India a power in American Football or powerlifting.

They don't have nearly the amount of resources we do. We have money, and a culture that provides for aspiring athletes.

McDman
06-20-2010, 09:05 AM
This game right now is why I despise Italian football. They act and dive more than any other country in the World Cup, it's pathetic. They are by far the biggest group of pussies in the tournament.

gyldenlove
06-20-2010, 11:18 AM
This game right now is why I despise Italian football. They act and dive more than any other country in the World Cup, it's pathetic. They are by far the biggest group of pussies in the tournament.

Nah dude, Portugal is just as bad.

That One Guy
06-20-2010, 11:37 AM
I don't recall who but there was a central american team that I remember diving like crazy. Diving overall hasn't been over the top though.

Who would've thought Germany, France, Italy, and England would be choking in their groups?

BlaK-Argentina
06-20-2010, 11:40 AM
This game right now is why I despise Italian football. They act and dive more than any other country in the World Cup, it's pathetic. They are by far the biggest group of pussies in the tournament.

???

NZ was throwing elbows left and right and De Rossi's jersey was being pulled on the PK.

Acting and diving is done by EVERY freaking player and it's a pathetic aspect of the sport of soccer. Let's not act like they are the only ones doing it.

If you touch a soccer player he will act like he just got shot in the back with an AK47 99% of the time. It's sad.

Kid A
06-20-2010, 11:45 AM
Lol France.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/5307299/ce/us/france-team-refuses-practice-nicolas-anelka-expulsion?cc=5901&ver=us

That One Guy
06-20-2010, 11:46 AM
By the way did anyone catch the report on ESPN about the French team? Apparently the French coach told the guy that got sent home to play better and according to the French reporter they were talking to, the player responded with "go to **** yourself you son of a bitch" and ESPN began appologizing immediately for the language and did so again a little later. They said their PR guy announced the strength coach's resignation and then his own. Then the team refused to train today in protest. Only good things can happen going forward.

epicSocialism4tw
06-20-2010, 12:02 PM
Lol France.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/5307299/ce/us/france-team-refuses-practice-nicolas-anelka-expulsion?cc=5901&ver=us

More reasons to hate the French quitters. ;D

"The press is mean, so we QUIT!"

epicSocialism4tw
06-20-2010, 12:07 PM
???

NZ was throwing elbows left and right and De Rossi's jersey was being pulled on the PK.

Acting and diving is done by EVERY freaking player and it's a pathetic aspect of the sport of soccer. Let's not act like they are the only ones doing it.

If you touch a soccer player he will act like he just got shot in the back with an AK47 99% of the time. It's sad.

That penalty made me mad. Theyre going to call that a penalty, but they dont call one on the goal that they took away from Maurice Edu? Goodness.

As far as diving goes, not everyone uses that wussy tactic. What bothers me even more is when they play physically and foul alot, but dive when they get the same treatment back (Germans, Italians).

The worst offenders: Italians, Uruguayans, Dutch, Germans, Portugese...

BlaK-Argentina
06-20-2010, 12:17 PM
That penalty made me mad. Theyre going to call that a penalty, but they dont call one on the goal that they took away from Maurice Edu? Goodness.

As far as diving goes, not everyone uses that wussy tactic. What bothers me even more is when they play physically and foul alot, but dive when they get the same treatment back (Germans, Italians).

The worst offenders: Italians, Uruguayans, Dutch, Germans, Portugese...

Diving is awful and I don't condone it in any way. I didn't see Italy dive once today though... and EVERYONE acts as if they had their leg sawed off when another player touches them. That's not exclusive to anyone. It's a soccer thing and I hate it. 8')

They took a while to call that penalty. Don't know who called it but I thought it was the right call. (Edu's was BS of course)

DHallblows
06-20-2010, 01:39 PM
2 different hand balls in Brazil's 2nd goal...interesting.
Beautiful play regardless

epicSocialism4tw
06-20-2010, 01:55 PM
Brazil are lighting it up. 3-0 65 minutes in.

After seeing the ease that these guys scored with in the second half of the US/Brazil Confed Cup final, it doesnt surprise me at all that they are scoring goals like this. This Brazil team is extraordinary. When you have Kaka in the middle of the field (two assists already in this game), Maicon coming down the flank, Fabiano up top, and speedy dribblers like Robinho running all over the place, the goals are just going to pile up.

This team should win the cup.

BlaK-Argentina
06-20-2010, 05:19 PM
Brazil are lighting it up. 3-0 65 minutes in.

After seeing the ease that these guys scored with in the second half of the US/Brazil Confed Cup final, it doesnt surprise me at all that they are scoring goals like this. This Brazil team is extraordinary. When you have Kaka in the middle of the field (two assists already in this game), Maicon coming down the flank, Fabiano up top, and speedy dribblers like Robinho running all over the place, the goals are just going to pile up.

This team should win the cup.

If Argentina's defense can improve just a bit more I like our chances in a "shootout" against them. You have to attack Brazil, Ivory Coast just had a little too much respect for them IMO.

gyldenlove
06-20-2010, 05:43 PM
If Argentina's defense can improve just a bit more I like our chances in a "shootout" against them. You have to attack Brazil, Ivory Coast just had a little too much respect for them IMO.

I like Argentina to beat Brazil, to me the Brazilians lack an emotional leader on their team and I suspect that if it does come an all out attack, Milito, Higuain and Messi are just unsurpassed.

BlaK-Argentina
06-20-2010, 06:27 PM
I like Argentina to beat Brazil, to me the Brazilians lack an emotional leader on their team and I suspect that if it does come an all out attack, Milito, Higuain and Messi are just unsurpassed.

:thumbs:

Baba Booey
06-20-2010, 06:31 PM
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McDman
06-20-2010, 06:46 PM
Diving is awful and I don't condone it in any way. I didn't see Italy dive once today though... and EVERYONE acts as if they had their leg sawed off when another player touches them. That's not exclusive to anyone. It's a soccer thing and I hate it. 8')

They took a while to call that penalty. Don't know who called it but I thought it was the right call. (Edu's was BS of course)

Both of those elbows thrown in the Italy game were weak. Yes, it should be a foul, but the guy laid on the ground for two minutes. It just pisses me off.

BlaK-Argentina
06-20-2010, 06:49 PM
Both of those elbows thrown in the Italy game were weak. Yes, it should be a foul, but the guy laid on the ground for two minutes. It just pisses me off.

They got Cannavaro in the chest pretty bad and the other two were thrown to the face.

What happened in the Brazil game with Kaka on the other hand... ROFL! Oscar worthy performance by the Ivory Coast guy.

baja
06-20-2010, 07:05 PM
Mexico 2 .... France 0

epicSocialism4tw
06-20-2010, 11:26 PM
If Argentina's defense can improve just a bit more I like our chances in a "shootout" against them. You have to attack Brazil, Ivory Coast just had a little too much respect for them IMO.

I dont know, man. Brazil is a complete squad and they have a hard defensive mentality to go with joga bonito now. Argentina has Maradona, who is a distraction and not a coach. I mean he literally does not coach. He's like a cheerleader...and that's just weird.

That One Guy
06-21-2010, 07:10 AM
This Portugal team isn't flashy but man the points are falling today. Lots of Korean mistakes so you really can't judge, I guess.

Broncosfreak_56
06-21-2010, 07:11 AM
Portugal is now #1 on North Korea's hit list.

That One Guy
06-21-2010, 07:14 AM
Portugal is now #1 on North Korea's hit list.

If their aim with nukes is as good as their aim with a soccer ball, we should really reconsider whether all this North Korea stuff is really worth the effort. They're horrible today.

Broncosfreak_56
06-21-2010, 07:15 AM
if their aim with nukes is as good as their aim with a soccer ball, we should really reconsider whether all this north korea stuff is really worth the effort. They're horrible today.

:rofl:

The Joker
06-21-2010, 07:16 AM
Lot of quality goals from Portugal today.

They're fabulous to watch when they get going, very much a confidence team.

That One Guy
06-21-2010, 07:16 AM
Ronaldo finally got one.

NK is like the bad news bears out there. Awesome to watch!

Broncosfreak_56
06-21-2010, 07:17 AM
That goal by Ronaldo was funny.

That One Guy
06-21-2010, 07:17 AM
Hahahaha Seven!

Broncosfreak_56
06-21-2010, 07:18 AM
7-0! lol

That One Guy
06-21-2010, 07:19 AM
As usual for the morning games I only get to watch the 2nd half live and what a half this has been. The kind of beatdown I've been waiting to see.

That One Guy
06-21-2010, 07:21 AM
And how Ivory Coast hearts must be sinking right now. To know it's gonna come down to goals and have to watch NK giving up such goofy points.

The Joker
06-21-2010, 07:27 AM
Funny ass goal that from Ronaldo.

The Joker
06-21-2010, 07:27 AM
And how Ivory Coast hearts must be sinking right now. To know it's gonna come down to goals and have to watch NK giving up such goofy points.

Serves Ivory Coast right.

Dirty, cheating scumbags.

That One Guy
06-21-2010, 07:28 AM
Serves Ivory Coast right.

Dirty, cheating scumbags.

What's the issue with them?

The Joker
06-21-2010, 07:33 AM
What's the issue with them?

You not see the game last night?

Two horrifically dirty challenges that could have resulted in broken legs for the Brazilian players once it went to 3-0.

Then the guy runs into Kaka and falls down screaming and clutching his face, Kaka gets sent off.

Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJrHi1oUG-4

That One Guy
06-21-2010, 07:39 AM
You not see the game last night?

Two horrifically dirty challenges that could have resulted in broken legs for the Brazilian players once it went to 3-0.

Then the guy runs into Kaka and falls down screaming and clutching his face, Kaka gets sent off.

Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJrHi1oUG-4

We went out for Father's day so it's still sitting on my DVR. Sounds like justice then as Brazil players will be suspended for a game that noone cares about and Ivory Coast might've succeeded in getting Brazil's players carded but they wont be around in a few more days.

The Joker
06-21-2010, 07:43 AM
Also there's the lovely irony that the Ivory Coast need Brazil to beat Portugal if they are to have nay chance of progressing, and now Brazil will be missing one of their best players.

That One Guy
06-21-2010, 07:44 AM
Also there's the lovely irony that the Ivory Coast need Brazil to beat Portugal if they are to have nay chance of progressing, and now Brazil will be missing one of their best players.

haha, didn't think about that. Awesome!

McDman
06-21-2010, 08:11 AM
Maybe Fifa will give Keita a red card after the match?

That One Guy
06-21-2010, 08:11 AM
I think they should do a slotting process for groups. Two top ranked teams vs two lowest and then work their way into the middle. Chile, Switzerland, and Honduras in a single group? Ugh.

gyldenlove
06-21-2010, 08:33 AM
I think they should do a slotting process for groups. Two top ranked teams vs two lowest and then work their way into the middle. Chile, Switzerland, and Honduras in a single group? Ugh.

The reason they do it this way is so they don't get 3 all European groups. This way every group represents at least 3 different continents.

That One Guy
06-21-2010, 08:36 AM
The reason they do it this way is so they don't get 3 all European groups. This way every group represents at least 3 different continents.

Ahh, I thought it was random. Thanks

Someone better score in this Chile Swiss game before everyone gets sent off. This guy seems to have his arm tied to his whistle. When it goes off, someone's getting carded.

Dutch
06-21-2010, 08:40 AM
Chile has no excuse if they do not win this game. That red card call was too harsh. Should have been a yellow at most. Your right TOG, this official is a card happy fool.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-21-2010, 08:42 AM
You not see the game last night?

Two horrifically dirty challenges that could have resulted in broken legs for the Brazilian players once it went to 3-0.

Then the guy runs into Kaka and falls down screaming and clutching his face, Kaka gets sent off.

Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJrHi1oUG-4

Kaka deserved the 2nd yellow. There no defense of the flop, but Kaka put his arm up and moved back into the Ivory Coast player. If he's stupid enough to do something like that with 1 yellow during a game that had begun to border on dirty, he deserved the 2nd card.

The Joker
06-21-2010, 08:45 AM
Kaka deserved the 2nd yellow. There no defense of the flop, but Kaka put his arm up and moved back into the Ivory Coast player. If he's stupid enough to do something like that with 1 yellow during a game that had begun to border on dirty, he deserved the 2nd card.

It's the natural response if someone runs into you though isn't it? You have to put your arm up to shield yourself and stiffen your body or you'll get knocked over.

He doesn't swing the elbow or try to hit the guy, he's just trying not to get knocked down.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-21-2010, 08:57 AM
It's the natural response if someone runs into you though isn't it? You have to put your arm up to shield yourself and stiffen your body or you'll get knocked over.

He doesn't swing the elbow or try to hit the guy, he's just trying not to get knocked down.

Both Kaka and the IC player are moving in the same direction (albeit at different speeds), Kaka sees the IC player coming at him, puts his arm up and moves back into the guy. That's not bracing yourself or trying to protect yourself so you don't get knocked over. He went at him. I think it's minor and something that happens multiple times a game, I used to do it too when I played, but it's still a foul. Kaka deserved the 2nd yellow for being dumb enough to do something like that with a card already though.

The Joker
06-21-2010, 09:06 AM
If that was a booking every time it happened, all games would end with one guy on the field on his own scoring goal after goal into an empty net.

Nothing malicious at all, it wouldn't even hurt. It's only noticed because the guy goes down like he's been shot, you can't blame Kaka for that.

That One Guy
06-21-2010, 09:19 AM
At least the ref has quit beating around the bush. There's 3 cards at one stop. Efficiency at work.

Dutch
06-21-2010, 09:21 AM
Absolutely embarrassing sequence of events. Swiss diving like a synchronized swim team. These bookings will against Chile could have a huge effect on the game against Spain.

Dutch
06-21-2010, 09:34 AM
Very quality goal for Chile there. Great header.

Chris
06-21-2010, 09:48 AM
I hated the way the Ivory Coast played yesterday (typical of their coach)... way too cautious. They finally started showing some life after they were down by 3 goals and then scored one. Pathetic showing. Also, with Portugal's destruction of DPRK they are likely out.

Dutch
06-21-2010, 09:51 AM
Wow. Major missed opportunity by the Swiss. That should have been a goal.

Smiling Assassin27
06-21-2010, 10:05 AM
South America is proving to be the class of the tournament thus far. Chile is for real as does Uruguay and Paraguay, to add to the likes of Brazil and Argentina. How do you account for this?

Granted, the bulk of their stars are in Europe, but is that it?

s0phr0syne
06-21-2010, 10:08 AM
I was looking forward to seeing Chile play against a better team this week after being surprisingly entertained by their outing against Honduras.

I thought that the game started off as I thought it would for Chile, and they looked once again creative with the ball, if not a bit too loose. Switzerland surprised me with how aggressive they were from the get-go against Chile, because I thought they would take a similar approach to what worked against Spain.

I thought the red card against the Swiss player was a bit harsh, but not altogether unwarranted as the announcers tried to make it seem--the Swiss player was throwing up his arms to slap away defenders and did it against the first Chilean and then the 2nd before the ref intervened...probably could have just been a yellow, but the ref was semi-consistent with how liberally he was dispensing the cards.

After the card, the 10-man squad for Switzerland bottled up and played some great defense, very reminiscent of their performance against Spain. Took a lot of attempts, but finally the Chileans capitalized on an opportunity and got that great goal. Looked like a few of Chile's runs that led to opportunities were some missed offsides calls, but I guess that's just the way it goes sometimes.

It was interesting to see the Swiss get aggressive again after Chile scored the goal, and I thought they did well to create some real scoring opportunities towards the end, although they really opened up their defense and were lucky that Chile was unable to score a 2nd goal.

Sanchez continued to be a difference making player for Chile. He's not a one trick pony either, as he really hustles to defend and is pretty eager to spread the ball around to teammates with the breaks that he creates in the defense.

That One Guy
06-21-2010, 10:32 AM
Controversial referee Koman Coulibaly was left off FIFA’s list for the next batch of World Cup matches following the error that cost the United States a victory against Slovenia.
Yahoo! Sports revealed on Friday that Coulibaly was “highly unlikely” to take any further part in the tournament after being given a poor evaluation by assessors following his decision to disallow Maurice Edu’s 86th-minute goal. FIFA confirmed yesterday that Coulibaly will not play any part in Tuesday or Wednesday’s matches, which will include Team USA’s critical Group C finale against Algeria.

And for our next game:

Instead, as they step into the arena of Loftus Versfeld Stadium on Wednesday with their World Cup life at stake, the Americans will be officiated by a man who has just witnessed a combat far more brutal than any game in the tournament.
Belgian referee Frank De Bleeckere will prepare himself for the occasion by watching a DVD of the movie “Gladiator” before taking center stage in a game that decides the USA’s destiny – with a victory guaranteed to put the Americans through to the last 16.
FIFA deliberately assigned De Bleeckere, a highly experienced and respected referee, to this game in response to the storm of controversy that came after the United States’ 2-2 draw with Slovenia. De Bleeckere has been in charge of big matches many times in the past, most notably a Champions League clash between Chelsea and Barcelona in 2006 which came a year after a pair of explosive matches between those teams.

http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup/news/fifa-drops-referee-after-dropped-call--fbintl_ro-fifaref062110.html

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2010, 11:38 AM
I think they should do a slotting process for groups. Two top ranked teams vs two lowest and then work their way into the middle. Chile, Switzerland, and Honduras in a single group? Ugh.

There is a seeding process. There are 4 "pots" from which teams are chosen.

Chile is a solid team, and so is Switzerland. Both of them could beat anyone in the tournament.

Requiem
06-21-2010, 11:52 AM
Apparently not.

BlaK-Argentina
06-21-2010, 11:52 AM
I dont know, man. Brazil is a complete squad and they have a hard defensive mentality to go with joga bonito now. Argentina has Maradona, who is a distraction and not a coach. I mean he literally does not coach. He's like a cheerleader...and that's just weird.

I think Argentina's offense can handle their D well enough. It would probably be pretty close either way.

That's how you, me, and almost everyone seems to look at Maradona... heck Tevez hinted that he was just "another player"... but he's not coaching alone. The two other guys that are always behind him are doing all the work. And they are doing a heck of a job so far. I guess you could say that the coaching staff is actually very good. Maradona is just there to be Maradona and do what he's doing, but he's just the coach in title IMO.

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2010, 11:57 AM
I think Argentina's offense can handle their D well enough. It would probably be pretty close either way.

That's how you, me, and almost everyone seems to look at Maradona... heck Tevez hinted that he was just "another player"... but he's not coaching alone. The two other guys that are always behind him are doing all the work. And they are doing a heck of a job so far. I guess you could say that the coaching staff is actually very good. Maradona is just there to be Maradona and do what he's doing, but he's just the coach in title IMO.

Thats weird to me. Maradona is basically there to waddle around and be animated and to show emotion when things happen. He's there to hug and kiss the players. He's like the team mom.

BlaK-Argentina
06-21-2010, 12:15 PM
Thats weird to me. Maradona is basically there to waddle around and be animated and to show emotion when things happen. He's there to hug and kiss the players. He's like the team mom.

:rofl:

Yep, he's just the "coach" because Grondona, the president of the AFA kind of owed it to him. But he's not really the "coach". :P He's like a puppet.

baja
06-21-2010, 12:24 PM
Does anyone else find women playing tennis at the pro level incredibly sexy.

Dutch
06-21-2010, 12:55 PM
Brilliant goal by the Spanish. Wow. They will be showing that one over and over tonight.

Smiling Assassin27
06-21-2010, 01:17 PM
Spanish seem to have left their finishing abilities in Europe. They should have 3-4 more already. They're gonna need every one of 'em to get out of the group, IMO.

ZachKC
06-21-2010, 01:33 PM
Spanish seem to have left their finishing abilities in Europe. They should have 3-4 more already. They're gonna need every one of 'em to get out of the group, IMO.

Yea, but that is kind of the nature of the sport.

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2010, 01:37 PM
The great Zidane: USA stronger than England.

http://insider.espn.go.com/worldcup/blog?entryID=5310562&name=us_national_soccer&cc=5901&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fwor ldcup%2fblog%3fentryID%3d5310562%26name%3dus_natio nal_soccer%26cc%3d5901&ver=us

Smiling Assassin27
06-21-2010, 01:38 PM
Almost too easy for Spain. That second goal was almost nonchalant.

Smiling Assassin27
06-21-2010, 01:50 PM
Villa gags on a penalty kick. Spain just seems to wilt on the big stage.

Dutch
06-21-2010, 01:51 PM
No hat trick for you! (yet)

Atwater His Ass
06-21-2010, 05:24 PM
Also there's the lovely irony that the Ivory Coast need Brazil to beat Portugal if they are to have nay chance of progressing, and now Brazil will be missing one of their best players.

Brazil are in all likely hood going to rest most of their starters anyway. The Kaka dismissal if really of no consequence at all.

The Joker
06-21-2010, 05:39 PM
Brazil are in all likely hood going to rest most of their starters anyway. The Kaka dismissal if really of no consequence at all.

It'll actually be very interesting, as winning that group may not necessarily be a good thing.

Atwater His Ass
06-21-2010, 07:42 PM
All depends on which Spain team decides to show up.

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2010, 11:28 PM
All depends on which Spain team decides to show up.

Spain has officially arrived. That team is fascinating to watch. Their off the ball movement is choreographed to near perfection, and they are motivated to get results unlike the English and Fraaaunch. They'll be fun to watch from here on out.

Atwater His Ass
06-21-2010, 11:32 PM
Spain has officially arrived. That team is fascinating to watch. Their off the ball movement is choreographed to near perfection, and they are motivated to get results unlike the English and Fraaaunch. They'll be fun to watch from here on out.

We'll see. I'm not particuarly impressed with a 2-0 win over Honduras.

epicSocialism4tw
06-21-2010, 11:47 PM
We'll see. I'm not particuarly impressed with a 2-0 win over Honduras.

They didnt score a ton of goals, but to be fair, Honduras aint no slouch either. This isnt the Kim Jong Il's we're talking about. Hoduras is missing a couple of their best players, but theyre still a competitive side. Spain destroyed them in the way a World Cup champion should.

Atwater His Ass
06-22-2010, 12:58 AM
Like I said, I remain unconvinced, but we'll see. Honduras isn't anything special (your love for all things CONCACAF included) even considering they are missing a couple key players. You're talking about perhaps the weakest team in the tournament playing against perhaps the strongest team in the world.

But, I'll certainly be pulling for them to regain and maintain form, as they are one of the best teams to watch when they are on.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 08:28 AM
Wow... France already down 1-0 and got a red card. This could be the break that South Africa needs. Game's gonna get fun.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 08:40 AM
I was on my way to the Mane to mention that France needs to start controlling the ball or South Africa is gonna abuse them and before I could, there's another SA point. SA taking the ball and getting a lot of decent shots.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 08:43 AM
By the way, anyone watching the Mexico game? I imagine both teams are just playing for the tie which makes the SA game moot but I heard teams could be playing to avoid Argentina.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 08:45 AM
Nevermind, They just announced Uruguay has taken the lead. This will be interesting to see how it ends. So exciting.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 09:24 AM
Commentators talking in the France game now about how something should've been a PK but because SA player didn't dive, it wasn't given. That makes the refs as responsible for diving as anyone.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 09:48 AM
Game definitely fell apart for SA. France was able to turn that into a goal and it completely fell to pieces then. Excellent first half though. 2nd set of games doesn't really interest me much so I guess it's a good time to get some work done.

TonyR
06-22-2010, 10:09 AM
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Dutch
06-22-2010, 12:46 PM
Commentators talking in the France game now about how something should've been a PK but because SA player didn't dive, it wasn't given. That makes the refs as responsible for diving as anyone.

I don't remember which player they interviewed last week who basically stated as much. Players dive because they don't trust the officials to make the call if they do not. Lack of courage and knowledge on the part of the refs if you ask me.

Dutch
06-22-2010, 12:49 PM
Nice run by Argentina at 18:20. Putting some nice creative pressure on Greece. Would love to see the Greeks gone.

Dutch
06-22-2010, 01:08 PM
:pfbbt::thumbsdowHere go the Greeks with their signature boring midfield trapping style. I swear its like watching the New Jersey Devils a few years back when they were contending for cups. Plug up the nuetral zone and wait for a mistake or frustration from your opponents and try to spring one. Then pack all 11 in your own zone and bore the opposition to sleep to win 1-0. Blech!:pfbbt::thumbsdow:

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 01:22 PM
:pfbbt::thumbsdowHere go the Greeks with their signature boring midfield trapping style. I swear its like watching the New Jersey Devils a few years back when they were contending for cups. Plug up the nuetral zone and wait for a mistake or frustration from your opponents and try to spring one. Then pack all 11 in your own zone and bore the opposition to sleep to win 1-0. Blech!:pfbbt::thumbsdow:

And the funny part of that is that they're banking their tournament hopes on one of the best teams making a huge mistake. If the status quo holds, Argentina goes on and Greece goes home. Greece needs to treat this game as if they're currently down 1-0 because a tie is a loss in their book.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 01:23 PM
And TonyR, that was an excellent goal. Any top corner shot has a great chance of succeeding and he placed that perfectly.

Irish Stout
06-22-2010, 01:28 PM
So as a casual observer, who cares about his USA pride, and also not wanting to look back through the last 49 pages, can someone explain to me where we stand in Group C for getting on to the next round? Do we have to win and England has to lose or tie vs. Slovenia? What happens if England ties and we tie?

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 01:36 PM
So as a casual observer, who cares about his USA pride, and also not wanting to look back through the last 49 pages, can someone explain to me where we stand in Group C for getting on to the next round? Do we have to win and England has to lose or tie vs. Slovenia? What happens if England ties and we tie?

If we lose, we're out

If we win, we're in

If we tie and England has less than a 2-2 tie, we're in (meaning if England scores more than 2 and ties, they move on instead of us)

If we tie and England wins, we're out

If we tie and Slovenia wins, we're in

I think that's everything

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 01:37 PM
Oh, and if England ties 2-2, I don't know the next tiebreaker

Irish Stout
06-22-2010, 01:52 PM
Thanks... so really, we just want to win! Hopefully they'll count all our goals this time.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 01:57 PM
That Greek keeper just got stung point blank. I've had some of those but obviously nothing like that. Wow.

And yeah, if they count all of our goals tomorrow that'll definitely help the situation. Couldn't hurt, at least.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 01:58 PM
Damnit, I got tricked. I thought I'd watch the good game rather than the two scrubs and the other game is 2-2 now while the Argentina game is scoreless. Boooooo

Dutch
06-22-2010, 02:01 PM
South Korea vs Nigeria has truned into a very compelling 2-2 game. SK has applied more pressure, but Nigeria has blown a couple of prime opportunities to be ahead.

Dutch
06-22-2010, 02:03 PM
I switched pretty early. Love watching Argentina, can't watch Greece without wanting to shout at them to go forward.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 02:05 PM
There's the goal that will send Greece home.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 02:07 PM
I've switched now to see if Nigeria can pull out a goal. If they want to go on, it comes down to now. Score and go forth, don't and go home.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 02:08 PM
And there it almost was... great idea but he had to put it on target.

Dutch
06-22-2010, 02:08 PM
There's the goal that will send Greece home.

Woo Hoo!LOL

In the other game South Korea has made some nice runs. Again, though Nigeria continues to creat amazing scoring chances. Good game.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 02:10 PM
Woo Hoo!LOL

In the other game South Korea has made some nice runs. Again, though Nigeria continues to creat amazing scoring chances. Good game.

I'm there now. The last few minutes have looked a lot like France this morning. SA would drive down field, take a shot, French keeper would boot it as far as he could, SA would get the ball and repeat. Same thing from Nigeria now. SK keeper has kicked the ball more than any player on the field for his team.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 02:12 PM
Bicycle kick... so pretty but so useless, usually.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 02:13 PM
Beautiful attempt by Messi. Doesn't look like Greece has changed anything. Still trying to play it safe and still not playing it safe enough.

Dutch
06-22-2010, 02:17 PM
Argentina drives the nail in it for Greece. 2-0

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 02:20 PM
Nigerians apparently play with a rule that says you can never take a shot inside 25 yards. If there's noone threatening, don't rush the shot when you're so inaccurate!

Dutch
06-22-2010, 02:22 PM
Pretty significant win for South Korea. Wow. Don't think they were favored to get through.

Dutch
06-22-2010, 02:28 PM
Mexico vs Argentina is going to be awesome! Some bad latin blood from '06.

Cleo McDowell
06-22-2010, 02:52 PM
Pretty significant win for South Korea. Wow. Don't think they were favored to get through.

The whole city is awake still at 5am. just got in from Seoul World Cup stadium. AWESOME.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs316.snc3/28467_1440451606075_1076597882_31299638_8338751_n. jpg

BlaK-Argentina
06-22-2010, 02:57 PM
Argentina vs Mexico is going to be awesome.

The Joker
06-22-2010, 02:59 PM
Glad Greece are out.

That miss by Yakubu is literally among the worst miss I've ever seen, absolutely sensational.

baja
06-22-2010, 03:06 PM
Mexicans do not like Argentineans

BlaK-Argentina
06-22-2010, 04:45 PM
Mexicans do not like Argentineans

We don't like them either. I actually hate Mexico and wanted to say something but didn't because I know you live there and might take it badly. :P

The Joker
06-22-2010, 05:07 PM
I'm really pissed off that Maradona rested Higuain by the way.

Have Ģ10 on him to be top scorer of the competition, odds 18/1.

He's got the lead still with 3 goals, but he could have gotten one today had he played I'm sure.

BlaK-Argentina
06-22-2010, 05:14 PM
I'm really pissed off that Maradona rested Higuain by the way.

Have Ģ10 on him to be top scorer of the competition, odds 18/1.

He's got the lead still with 3 goals, but he could have gotten one today had he played I'm sure.

I'm happy Palermo got a chance. He's a class act. Milito I don't like too much.


I was really happy to see Pastore in though. I love that guy. He played well.

epicSocialism4tw
06-22-2010, 07:04 PM
So, we have

Argentina v. Mexico

and

Uruguay v. South Korea



Groups C and D are to be sorted out tomorrow. I think that the US will beat Algeria 2-1, and England will win 2-1. That would put USA through as the #1 seed and England through as the #2.

Atwater His Ass
06-22-2010, 07:27 PM
Argentina v. Mexico match is going to be a good one.

Potential highlight match of the next round, up there with Spain v. Brazil/Portugal.

Vegas_Bronco
06-22-2010, 07:35 PM
So, we have

Argentina v. Mexico

and

Uruguay v. South Korea



Groups C and D are to be sorted out tomorrow. I think that the US will beat Algeria 2-1, and England will win 2-1. That would put USA through as the #1 seed and England through as the #2.

Hold the Press...did you say USA as a #1 in their group?!? Would this officially make us a third world country?

Maradona cracks me up...he's dying to get in on these games and 'get a piece of the glory'. Definitely voting for my boys - Seleccion Argentina. Martin Palermo of my Boca Juniors goaled it up today!

BlaK-Argentina
06-22-2010, 08:15 PM
Hold the Press...did you say USA as a #1 in their group?!? Would this officially make us a third world country?

Maradona cracks me up...he's dying to get in on these games and 'get a piece of the glory'. Definitely voting for my boys - Seleccion Argentina. Martin Palermo of my Boca Juniors goaled it up today!

:strong: There's something about these guys...

I'm hopeful. Didn't expect this kind of play before the tournament started.

That One Guy
06-22-2010, 08:25 PM
Unless a different team takes the field tomorrow than has all week, I really don't see England winning. A tie is feasible but they just really haven't played well since early in the first game. I'd rather not see Slovenia advance but the best chances for the US is if they do. I'll be watching and enjoying some good games tomorrow, I hope.

Atwater His Ass
06-22-2010, 08:36 PM
I wouldn't count England out and I wouldn't be surprised to see them come alive and spank Slovenia for 3 or 4 goals.