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Dagmar
06-16-2010, 10:51 AM
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Dagmar
06-16-2010, 10:52 AM
http://www.southernjourneys.co.za/joomla/images/stories/worldcup-loftus-versfeld-stadium%20pretoria%2050000.jpg

Dagmar
06-16-2010, 10:53 AM
http://catchseventy7.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/forlan.jpg

1st goal @ 5/1

Dagmar
06-16-2010, 10:53 AM
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Dagmar
06-16-2010, 10:54 AM
bafana bafana

Dagmar
06-16-2010, 11:03 AM
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uplink
06-16-2010, 11:38 AM
It now looks like the Brazil-Spain game could happen right after the end of team play now instead of the final as many thought. Assuming Spain gets the 2nd slot in H and Brazil wins G.

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 11:45 AM
That Swiss team is no joke.

They played nearly the exact same strategy and formation that the US did in the Confed Cup when they upset Spain, except that the Swiss have a better balance of players. They have a cleaner defense than the US and their keeper had a Howard-esque performance.

Spain/Chile will be alot of fun. Possibly the most entertaining game of the entire tournament...likely to decide who plays Brazil in the knockout round.

OABB
06-16-2010, 11:54 AM
Come on man, you're awesome and crack me up 90% of the time. Can you please just do us a favor and keep the soccer bashing in the other soccer thread? We'll argue it there with ya as long as you'd like - even if we really don't want to. But don't ruin this one for us too, please?

yes. I am sorry.

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 11:58 AM
Great goal. Finally one of the 50 longshots we've seen taken in the last few days has paid off.

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 12:05 PM
Great goal. Finally one of the 50 longshots we've seen taken in the last few days has paid off.

Xabi Alonso's bomb in that Spain/Switzerland game nearly broke the goal fixture. That was one of the best strikes of the tournament.

Forlan's deflected off of the South African defender.

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 12:11 PM
Xabi Alonso's bomb in that Spain/Switzerland game nearly broke the goal fixture. That was one of the best strikes of the tournament.

Forlan's deflected off of the South African defender.

I take it that was the hard Spanish shot off the left post? It was quite a shot. I'd say some of the others in the tournament were better though as their respective teams were awarded points for them :D

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 12:14 PM
I take it that was the hard Spanish shot off the left post? It was quite a shot. I'd say some of the others in the tournament were better though as their respective teams were awarded points for them :D

Sometimes the most spectacular plays dont result in goals...that's part of the drama of a good soccer game.

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 12:16 PM
Sometimes the most spectacular plays dont result in goals...that's part of the drama of a good soccer game.

Very much agreed. Just being a pain.

There's one person down for the next game, already. Seemed a little iffy on the yellow.

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 12:29 PM
Just saw the highlights and the Alonso shot you mentioned. Not the one I was thinking of but definitely quite a strike.

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 12:57 PM
Just saw the highlights and the Alonso shot you mentioned. Not the one I was thinking of but definitely quite a strike.

That was one of those plays where the Jubulani ball came into play. It traveled with incredible velocity (byproduct of the ball), abut at the same time, it darted about with a subtly erratic "quiver" or movement component perpendicular to the forward trajectory of the ball.

The balls used in most leagues would have dipped instead of "shook" and would have hit the bottom of the bar and likely gone in.

Dagmar
06-16-2010, 12:58 PM
South Africa are pretty poor...

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 01:05 PM
Oh no! Keeper red carded and a PK. He knew it was coming...

That sucks.

Dagmar
06-16-2010, 01:06 PM
That is the end of the WC for them.

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 01:09 PM
Ballgame. Off to mow the grass now.

Not how you like to see them go. That was a dive.

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 01:11 PM
Ballgame. Off to mow the grass now.

Not how you like to see them go. That was a dive.

Uruguay have been diving and time wasting this entire second half. I usually wouldnt say this because I cant stand Mexico, but I hope that Mexico knocks them out of the tournament.

The Joker
06-16-2010, 01:24 PM
And the South Africa fans stream for the exits...

Great fans, really.

Dagmar
06-16-2010, 05:09 PM
And the South Africa fans stream for the exits...

Great fans, really.

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Dutch
06-16-2010, 05:29 PM
http://cdn.wl.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/vuvuzela-haters-gonna-hate3.gif

Classic......

I'm watching a replay of Chile and Hondo as I type this. Chile just scored and the vuvu's are thundering...timing was perfect!

Made me laugh out loud, Dagmar. Well played...

Dagmar
06-16-2010, 09:35 PM
http://vercors.univ-savoie.fr/ressourcesenligne/cours_hh/new/LEA_L&C2/L&C2_02/flag_argentina.gif

VS

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Match 20 - Group B - 17 June
Johannesburg - Soccer City Stadium
Referee: Frank DE BLEECKERE (BEL)

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Previous games:
Argentina 1 – 0 Nigeria (Heinze '6)
South Korea 2 - 0 Greece (Lee, JS 7, Park 52)

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Group B's early pacesetters meet at Ellis Park knowing that a second victory could potentially seal their progress to the last 16. Argentina and Korea Republic won their respective opening games against Nigeria and Greece although both have different goals for the 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa™, with the South Americans' sights fixed firmly on a third title and the South Koreans chasing qualification for the knockout rounds for the first time beyond their own shores.

The match
Argentina-Korea Republic, Group B, Johannesburg (Ellis Park), Thursday 17 June, 13.30 (local time)

The two coaches are no strangers to each other having featured in their teams' meeting at Mexico 1986, where La Albiceleste ran out 3-1 winners. South Korean coach Hun Jung-Moo had the unenviable job of man-marking Diego Maradona that day – a thankless task for anybody in a tournament where today's Argentina coach inspired his country to their second FIFA World Cup triumph.

Twenty-four years on, they cross swords again with Huh hoping for a different outcome as he bids to become the first homegrown coach to lead Korea Republic into the last 16. Argentina are 41 places higher in the FIFA/Coca Cola World Ranking but Korea Republic have proved in the past they are more than capable of springing surprises, a fact borne out when they beat Italy and Spain to storm into last four on home soil in 2002.

Their 2-0 victory over Greece on Saturday should ensure confidence is high in the Korea Republic camp although betterin an Argentina side including the likes of Lionel Messi, Javier Mascherano and Juan Sebastian Veron is evidently a more awkward proposition. Although Maradona's men beat Nigeria by just a single goal, the victory margin would have been greater had it not been for Super Eagles goalkeeper Vincent Enyeama's brilliant Man of the Match performance.

Players to watch
Lionel Messi v Park Ji-Sung

After doing everything but score against Nigeria, Messi will hope for better luck in front of goal in his team's second outing at Ellis Park. If Messi is pivotal to Argentina's hopes, the same can be said of Park Ji-Sung, who underlined his talismanic status against Greece by sealing Korea Republic's victory with a wonderful solo strike of which Messi himself would have been proud.

The stat
4 –Argentina have reached four FIFA World Cup Finals, beating the Netherlands in 1978 and West Germany in 1986 but losing out to Uruguay in 1930 and the Germans in 1990. Korea Republic finished fourth on home soil eight years ago which remains the best-ever result by an Asian team on the world stage.

What they say
"Comparing ourselves with other teams, we have played some of the best football in the competition and created more chances than anybody else so far. Now we need to take the games as they come. We are still one of the favourites and that is why we are here – to win this World Cup," Gonzalo Higuain, Argentina forward.

"To be honest we are a little nervous heading into the match-up with Argentina as they have some of the world's best players. But we are not intimidated by their qualities and we have unwavering confidence in ourselves. They may boast Messi, but we can count on captain Park Ji-Sung to lead us to a good result," Kim Nam-Il, Korea Republic midfielder.

Voice of the fans
"Argentina is an incredibly strong team for Korea Republic. However, the game of soccer is full of possibilities and Korea is notorious for pulling magic out of thin air. This will be a fantastic game to watch," FIFA.com user Jook Yuh.

The question
Can Messi open his scoring account in South Africa? Can Korea Republic build on the promise of their opening win and create a surprise against the fancied Argentines?

Expected line-ups
Argentina - Romero; Burdisso, Demichelis, Samuel, Heinze; Maxi, Mascherano, Di Maria; Messi; Higuain, Tevez

South Korea - Jung Sung-Ryong; Cha Du-Ri, Cho Yong-Hyung, Lee Jung-Soo, Lee Young-Pyo; Park Ji-Sung, Kim Jung-Woo, Ki Sung-Yong, Park Chu-Young, Lee Chung-Yong; Lee Dong-Guk


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Dagmar
06-16-2010, 09:37 PM
British Guardian thinks -

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Dutch
06-16-2010, 10:07 PM
LOL

That line-up card cracked me up. Look at all the names needed on the South Korean side as opposed to the Argentine's. heh heh heh

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 05:33 AM
Man, had to let the kid watch his morning shows and get him to school and missed what was, apparently, an awesome first half. Totally lame.

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 05:37 AM
Man, had to let the kid watch his morning shows and get him to school and missed what was, apparently, an awesome first half. Totally lame.

Yeah, Argentina's stars are putting on a show and the fiesty S. Koreans wont go away. Its a good game.

The Joker
06-17-2010, 05:41 AM
Been good, Argentina looking impressive.

Korea really only still in the game through an awful mistake from the Argie defence. One moment of magic from Messi in the first half, almost a fantastic goal.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 05:45 AM
I've always seen both hands on the jewels when setting up a wall so it's quite amusing seeing Argentina players with one hand on the Jewels, one over the mouth.

Great opportunity by SK blown right there.

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 05:50 AM
This game is further evidence that the world powers no longer hold the same type of dominance in this tournament that they showed even 12 years ago. Teams like S. Korea, USA, Switzerland, etc. can beat any of these teams on any given day.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 05:54 AM
This game is further evidence that the world powers no longer hold the same type of dominance in this tournament that they showed even 12 years ago. Teams like S. Korea, USA, Switzerland, etc. can beat any of these teams on any given day.

And that will do wonders for the sport growing in popularity. Nothing makes a sport exciting like seeing your country on the verge of doing well. Also, having some balance in the games can make them interesting and exciting for everyone where an essentially pre-determined game is boring for all.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 05:58 AM
I think it also doesn't hurt that premier talent, no matter where in the world, gets into the elite clubs. Playing club games for teams like Arsenal and Real Madrid doesn't hurt at all as warm ups for some of the players that go back and lead their respective countries.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 06:03 AM
This game is further evidence that the world powers no longer hold the same type of dominance in this tournament that they showed even 12 years ago. Teams like S. Korea, USA, Switzerland, etc. can beat any of these teams on any given day.

Agreed. I also see a change in the officiating over even 8 years ago. We drove to Mexico City for the cup in '86. There were several times during that world cup where top teams were not called for obvious fouls and the weaker teams were whistled for questionable fouls all through the tournament.

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 06:04 AM
Agreed. I also see a change in the officiating over even 8 years ago. We drove to Mexico City for the cup in '86. There were several times during that world cup where top teams were not called for obvious fouls and the weaker teams were whistled for questionable fouls all through the tournament.

That still goes on to some extent.

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 06:04 AM
Messi is something else.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 06:07 AM
Again! What a day for that fella. Argentina looking great on the attack.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 06:08 AM
That still goes on to some extent.

Oh, no doubt. Not nearly to the extent that it used to. I think the improvement in TV coverage has helped. I also think that the number of international players from countries like South Korea, the USA, Switzerland, etc that are playing in the top European leagues has help as well.

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 06:08 AM
Argentina are the best team in the tournament.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 06:12 AM
Oh, no doubt. Not nearly to the extent that it used to. I think the improvement in TV coverage has helped. I also think that the number of international players from countries like South Korea, the USA, Switzerland, etc that are playing in the top European leagues has help as well.

It seems for the most part that the biggest issue I see is not that one team is called so differently from the other but that one game is called so different than the next. One game will look like a rugby match with no whistles being blown while the next will look like an NBA game with cards flashing everywhere. No constistency anywhere on that. Kinda makes games unfair when players start getting suspended for being carded but they were carded under different standards.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 06:12 AM
Argentina is definately one of the best in this field. I wouldn't give them the trophy just yet, though. It will be interresting to see them in a game where they trail and if they can maintain their form, or if that notorious latin temper rears its head.

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 06:13 AM
Oh, no doubt. Not nearly to the extent that it used to. I think the improvement in TV coverage has helped. I also think that the number of international players from countries like South Korea, the USA, Switzerland, etc that are playing in the top European leagues has help as well.

Yeah, I'll never forget that handball in the 2002 quarterfinals that denied a hard-charging US team that outplayed Germany a chance at the semi-finals. Frings should have been red-carded and the US should have been given a penalty. That would have been the death knell for a German team that was on its heels. The US deserved to win that game and the ref feared making a call like that against Germany.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 06:17 AM
Yeah, I'll never forget that handball in the 2002 quarterfinals that denied a hard-charging US team that outplayed Germany a chance at the semi-finals. Frings should have been red-carded and the US should have been given a penalty. That would have been the death knell for a German team that was on its heels. The US deserved to win that game and the ref feared making a call like that against Germany.

Absolutely the best example I know of. I quit watching the rest of the cup after that I was so po'ed.

The Joker
06-17-2010, 06:26 AM
Argentina's real test will be when they come up against one of the other top teams in the tournament.

I still think they're susceptible at the back and I can see a team like Germany defending well and picking them off on the counter.

Hope not, I'm rooting for them. Backed Higuain to be tournament top scorer at 18/1 so today is a good day so far. :sunshine:

Beantown Bronco
06-17-2010, 06:29 AM
Man, had to let the kid watch his morning shows and get him to school and missed what was, apparently, an awesome first half. Totally lame.

Anyone else find it odd that in a 32 page thread about soccer, THIS is the post that disturbs me the most?

I can only assume That One Guy has only one working tv in his house AND he doesn't have DVR/Tivo. Again.....very disturbing on both counts.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 06:31 AM
Anyone else find it odd that in a 32 page thread about soccer, THIS is the post that disturbs me the most?

I can only assume That One Guy has only one working tv in his house AND he doesn't have DVR/Tivo. Again.....very disturbing on both counts.

Haha... DVR will be employed from here on out. There hasn't been an early morning game that really stood out before today. I have learned my lesson.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 06:39 AM
Anyone else find it odd that in a 32 page thread about soccer, THIS is the post that disturbs me the most?

I can only assume That One Guy has only one working tv in his house AND he doesn't have DVR/Tivo. Again.....very disturbing on both counts.

Hah hah hah ROFL! Thanks for the good laugh this morning, Beantown. I needed that!

Dutch
06-17-2010, 06:44 AM
Just a quick thanks to you guys who have been riding this thing out from the beginning. This is the first time in a long while that I have been able to catch this many of the games (working nights from home on a network/Cisco project). Its been great to have some other interrested folks to bounce this stuff off of. Like being at a sports bar to watch the games with a great crowd (minus the booze at 0700).

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 06:54 AM
Just a quick thanks to you guys who have been riding this thing out from the beginning. This is the first time in a long while that I have been able to catch this many of the games (working nights from home on a network/Cisco project). Its been great to have some other interrested folks to bounce this stuff off of. Like being at a sports bar to watch the games with a great crowd (minus the booze at 0700).

I've got extra booze if you ran out.

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 06:56 AM
Just a quick thanks to you guys who have been riding this thing out from the beginning. This is the first time in a long while that I have been able to catch this many of the games (working nights from home on a network/Cisco project). Its been great to have some other interrested folks to bounce this stuff off of. Like being at a sports bar to watch the games with a great crowd (minus the booze at 0700).

I was out yesterday looking for some USMNT gear, and was surprised to find out that EVERYWHERE in town is sold out of jerseys, both the home and the away jerseys. Everywhere I went (4 shops including two mainstream sports stores) there were people looking for them and everyone was sold out.

If the US team pulls through and gets out of the group to face another marquee team (Germany, etc), this sport will explode here and these guys will be remembered as the "last leg" of the relay race that brought soccer to prominence in the US.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 07:02 AM
I was out yesterday looking for some USMNT gear, and was surprised to find out that EVERYWHERE in town is sold out of jerseys, both the home and the away jerseys. Everywhere I went (4 shops including two mainstream sports stores) there were people looking for them and everyone was sold out.

If the US team pulls through and gets out of the group to face another marquee team (Germany, etc), this sport will explode here and these guys will be remembered as the "last leg" of the relay race that brought soccer to prominence in the US.

I don't want this to come across the wrong way... I'm trying to say it in the nicest way possible... but they need to make someone like Howard the face of the team. Playing the way he has so far would go a long way in terms of making that happen. Landon Donovan kinda feeds stereotypes when it comes to marketing and he's about the most famous player on that team. I see him and feel like he should be riding into the field on a unicorn while wearing a fur coat. To overcome the stigma that soccer has, they need a person like Howard who seems to be your everyday guy.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 07:05 AM
I've got extra booze if you ran out.

Not a problem:thumbsup:! I have been doing the Saint Brendan's Irish Cream and coffee thing (much better than Bailey's which is mostly Vodka now). Have a nice VuVu hum going by the start of the second game most mornings!

Dutch
06-17-2010, 07:15 AM
I was out yesterday looking for some USMNT gear, and was surprised to find out that EVERYWHERE in town is sold out of jerseys, both the home and the away jerseys. Everywhere I went (4 shops including two mainstream sports stores) there were people looking for them and everyone was sold out.

If the US team pulls through and gets out of the group to face another marquee team (Germany, etc), this sport will explode here and these guys will be remembered as the "last leg" of the relay race that brought soccer to prominence in the US.

I think there are several factors in this, but that the amount of quality Professional Soccer coverage we are receiving here in the US has helped in a huge way. When I was a kid growing up (late 60's-early 80's), about the only coverage soccer received was during the World Cup. Now we are getting EPL, Champion's League, Serie A, La Liga, and Mexican league games on all the time. If you are a kid who loves the game in this day and age, you can actually find great soccer to watch year round. I agree that this cup could put the game over the top here. I will also grudgingly give ESPN props for their coverage. They have stepped up due to their international presence, but I've been impressed with the lineup of analysts they lined up for this and the airtime they are devoting to it.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 07:17 AM
Don't want to leave out MLS as it has come a long way in the last several years and is giving our young talent a chance to earn a living and giving them a chancde to get to the premier level.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 07:18 AM
Not a problem:thumbsup:! I have been doing the Saint Brendan's Irish Cream and coffee thing (much better than Bailey's which is mostly Vodka now). Have a nice VuVu hum going by the start of the second game most mornings!

Well I've got extra of that too if it runs out. I like Bailey's so decided to try some of the others and didn't care for them. I don't do coffee though so maybe that's the missing element.

That Nigeria goal was rough for the Greek keeper. Play the ball's path or where it'll go if someone heads it. Greek players let him down by letting it fly completely untouched and uncontested.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 07:19 AM
GOOD Nigeria scores......GO HOME GREECE. We don't want to watch the yawnfest game that you play anymore than we have to. Take that garbage home with you and don't let the door smack you on the way out.....

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 07:22 AM
I think there are several factors in this, but that the amount of quality Professional Soccer coverage we are receiving here in the US has helped in a huge way. When I was a kid growing up (late 60's-early 80's), about the only coverage soccer received was during the World Cup. Now we are getting EPL, Champion's League, Serie A, La Liga, and Mexican league games on all the time. If you are a kid who loves the game in this day and age, you can actually find great soccer to watch year round. I agree that this cup could put the game over the top here. I will also grudgingly give ESPN props for their coverage. They have stepped up due to their international presence, but I've been impressed with the lineup of analysts they lined up for this and the airtime they are devoting to it.

ESPN coverage has been great. You really could forget you were watching ESPN as they don't have the ignorance and storyline drama that ESPN has been known for in the last 10 years. Just straight sports. They've treated it along the lines of how NFLN has done football.

As I don't follow American soccer, why did the Beckham experiment fail? Did he not hold up to expectations or did noone care because he was an import?

Dutch
06-17-2010, 07:23 AM
Well I've got extra of that too if it runs out. I like Bailey's so decided to try some of the others and didn't care for them. I don't do coffee though so maybe that's the missing element.

That Nigeria goal was rough for the Greek keeper. Play the ball's path or where it'll go if someone heads it. Greek players let him down by letting it fly completely untouched and uncontested.

If you like Bailey's give the Saint Brendan's a try. Bailey's was bought by Smirnoff several years ago, they promptly swapped 70% of the Irish Whiskey for Vodka. StB's is still made with Irish Whiskey. Coffee is the only way I would do the stuff though. My wife likes a glass on ice every once in a while (holidays). but strictly coffee for me (50-50). I'm a Scotch/Guinness guy myself.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 07:27 AM
ESPN coverage has been great. You really could forget you were watching ESPN as they don't have the ignorance and storyline drama that ESPN has been known for in the last 10 years. Just straight sports. They've treated it along the lines of how NFLN has done football.

As I don't follow American soccer, why did the Beckham experiment fail? Did he not hold up to expectations or did noone care because he was an import?

I'll defer to McSkillet on this one as I didn't have much time to pay attention to it at the time. My feeling is that he was injured for most of it, and he was too far past his prime for our league now. MLS is much better now than it was in the early days. No longer the most comfortable retirement home for old international stars that we used to be.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 07:36 AM
What a foolish move.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 07:41 AM
Whew! That was close!

Dutch
06-17-2010, 07:46 AM
Wow, Greece is actually pretty entertaining when they are down. Oh, and playing against 10 men. Missed that while refilling the coffee and having a smoke.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 07:46 AM
Very good goal. You could see that coming with the setup but the deflection made it happen.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 07:52 AM
Think I'm going out to work on the deck a bit more. I'd rather miss the second half of this game so I can watch the Mexico/France match this afternoon (with a few Guinness as I'm pretty coffeed out/up right now). I wish both of 'em could lose.

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 08:11 AM
Nigeria scoring was the best thing for this game. It's been entertaining since.

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 08:25 AM
An entertaining game involving Greece? Biggest world cup shock ever!

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 08:30 AM
An entertaining game involving Greece? Biggest world cup shock ever!

It has been decent. Neither of these teams is unbelievably skilled but there has been decent energy.

By the way, that vuvuzela site you posted the other day drives my wife crazy. I put it on two different times and she goes nuts. She's taken to pinching my horn until I mute that horn. I figure I'm done with it now. Who knew the vuvuzelas were so annoying?

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 08:31 AM
Got it! Another Greek goal. It was coming eventually.

The Joker
06-17-2010, 08:37 AM
Spot the difference.

http://www.4thringroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/maradona.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/17/article-1287382-0A13C67A000005DC-933_468x272.jpg

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 08:45 AM
http://i49.tinypic.com/t7c0op.png

gyldenlove
06-17-2010, 09:13 AM
Spot the difference.

http://www.4thringroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/maradona.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/17/article-1287382-0A13C67A000005DC-933_468x272.jpg

Mustaches aren't as fashionable among players today as they were back in the day.

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 09:27 AM
Did anyone see Maradonna's press conference?

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/725353/maradona-eyes-o.gif

For those not watching:

Maradona was asked in English in a press conference whether he was naturally affectionate with his players, or whether it's something he learned players responded to when he was a player.

And his eyes went wide like a bug, the translation must have been lost on him, and he went on about "I prefer women, I have a lovely partner etc etc"

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:notworthy

ColoradoDarin
06-17-2010, 09:37 AM
As much as I hate most things E!spn, their coverage has been nothing short of pure AWESOME. No stupid bottom line during the game (one of the things I hate most about TV these days, it's like the sports and news companies have never heard of the internet, having to bug us with the SAME stupid info over and over during a game), and quality announcers. Bravo ESPN, please learn from this and carry it to the rest of your programming.

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 10:01 AM
:peace:

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 10:02 AM
25, I see.

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vs

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Referee: Khalil Al Ghamdi
Assistant Referee: Peter O'Leary, Saleh Al Marzouqi, Hassan Kamranifar


France coach Raymond Domenech is expected to abandon the 4-3-3 formation that proved ineffective against Uruguay and revert to his preferred 4-2-3-1 system against Mexico, with Jeremy Toulalan and Abou Diaby in front of the defence. Domenech may also be tempted to reinstate forward Thierry Henry to the starting line-up, possibly in place of Nicolas Anelka.

Meanwhile, Fifa has rejected a request from France to call up a new goalkeeper after Cedric Carrasso suffered a thigh muscle injury in training on Monday.

Mexico coach Javier Aguirre could opt for Guillermo Ochoa in goal after Oscar Perez's shaky showing against South Africa. Barcelona's Rafael Marquez hurt his right calf muscle in the second half against South Africa but says he is now "100%".

One booking from suspension: Juarez, Torrado (Mexico); Evra, Ribery, Toulalan (France)

FIFA.COM Match Preview

Following draws in their opening Group A encounters here at the 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa™, France and Mexico are both in need of a positive result in Polokwane on 17 June. What is more, a win for either could prove a hammer blow for the other’s hopes of reaching the Round of 16.

The match
France-Mexico, Group A, Peter Mokaba Stadium, Polokwane, 20:30 (local time)

After a lacklustre display in their goalless opener against Uruguay, France coach Raymond Domenech still appears unsure as to his best formation. Favouring a 4-3-3 system in pre-tournament warm-up action, Les Bleus’ supremo opted for a 4-5-1 against La Celeste. Now though, he is expected to push midfielder Yoann Gourcuff closer to central striker Nicolas Anelka and flank the Chelsea man with club-mate Florent Malouda and Franck Ribery. Intriguingly, while France have won just one of their five games in 2010, they have never been beaten by Mexico at senior level, with three of the sides’ six meetings coming at FIFA World Cup finals.

Over in the Mexican camp, the aim is to improve on the wayward finishing shown in the 1-1 draw with South Africa. Clearly unhappy with his charges’ display, El Tri coach Javier Aguirre is set to start Andres Guardado in place of Paul Aguilar, though young tyros Carlos Vela, Efrain Juarez and Giovani dos Santos are expected to keep their starting berths. Mexico are bidding to improve on a record of just one win from eight encounters with European nations at the finals.

Players to watch

Carlos Vela vs Abou Diaby

Arsenal striker Vela, a star of Mexico’s FIFA U-17 World Cup-winning side in 2005, could end up facing no fewer than four club colleagues in defenders William Gallas, Bacary Sagna, Gael Clichy and midfield man Abou Diaby, who is charged with shielding Les Bleus’ rearguard after the withdrawal of Lassana Diarra from the squad. Both Vela and Diaby put in promising shifts in their respective openers, with the young Mexican looking lively throughout and the marauding Frenchman winning plenty of tackles and carrying a threat going forward.

The stat

1 – France have won just one of their last seven group matches at the FIFA World Cup, when they beat Togo 2-0 in their final section encounter on German soil to squeeze through to the Round of 16. What's more, Les Bleus scored just three times in those seven matches.

What they said

“We’re up against a great team and we have to win the game any way we can. This is a vital match and France are strong opponents, both in defence and attack. Even though they’re not playing to their usual high standards, they’ve got players who can turn a game at any moment,” Rafael Marquez, Mexico midfielder.

“We mustn’t let Mexico control possession. They’ve got a very, very good team. When they click into gear, they up the tempo and hold onto the ball for a long time, which can unsettle any side in the world. But my players are really up for this game, I can sense that vibe coming from them,” Raymond Domenech, France coach.

Baba Booey
06-17-2010, 10:06 AM
Viva Mexico, I guess. I despise France more.

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 10:07 AM
http://petitebrigitte.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/eva1.jpg

http://cafeanant.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/melissa-theuriau-2.jpg

vs

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Beantown Bronco
06-17-2010, 10:08 AM
I like where this thread is going now.

Beantown Bronco
06-17-2010, 10:10 AM
France, for the win......Virginie Ledoyen....official member of Beantown Bronco's laminated list

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2122619136/nm0001461

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 10:18 AM
France, for the win......Virginie Ledoyen....official member of Beantown Bronco's laminated list

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2122619136/nm0001461

One of mine is french too, Clemence Poesy.

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http://djhoff.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/nylon_c1_jpg-_clemence_poesy.jpg

Crackin' norks too

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 10:20 AM
Anyway...

France are screwed, the ass. referee is Irish.

http://cdn.epltalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/thierry-henry-handball.gif

ColoradoDarin
06-17-2010, 10:36 AM
Go France!

Anyone who is a USMNT fan will be rooting for the French to beat our main rivals. Rooting for the Mexico team is like a Bronco fan rooting for the raiders....

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 10:43 AM
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Beantown Bronco
06-17-2010, 10:45 AM
Go France!

Anyone who is a USMNT fan will be rooting for the French to beat our main rivals. Rooting for the Mexico team is like a Bronco fan rooting for the raiders....

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The Joker
06-17-2010, 10:55 AM
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ColoradoDarin
06-17-2010, 10:59 AM
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Yes, yes they are, but it's like when the Cowboys play the raiders - I'm still not rooting for the raiders. If only there was a way that they could both lose! :thumbs:

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 11:03 AM
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ROFL! Nice!

Dutch
06-17-2010, 11:04 AM
Yes, yes they are, but it's like when the Cowboys play the raiders - I'm still not rooting for the raiders. If only there was a way that they could both lose! :thumbs:

This...

Dutch
06-17-2010, 11:38 AM
OK....
Deck done for the day....check
Showered....check
Guinness poured (and three more in the fridge than I thought, bonus)...check
Smoke....check
Game on without too much time off...Check

Sigh. Perfect afternoon. Check

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 11:42 AM
The only good thing about unemployment is see all the games! This game has started nice and open.

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 11:45 AM
The mexican goalie is only 5'7!

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 12:06 PM
Ribery strikes me as vaaaaastly overrated.

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 12:12 PM
Who else can't wait for the amount of injury time to be announced?
P.A. BARRACAS

Dutch
06-17-2010, 12:13 PM
The only good thing about unemployment is see all the games! This game has started nice and open.

Pretty boarderline with that myself. This is the first contract of any duration I've seen in a while. 6 months worth. Pretty easy but not too repetative so not too boring. Working with some good guys in the field. Lots of World Cup talk in the group (international). They are dogging the Spanish techs ruthlessly. Pretty funny actually.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 12:15 PM
Ribery is a diving wuss...

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 12:18 PM
Ribery is a diving wuss...

He couldn't score in a brothel.

Oh, wait, he did...


M & M pretzel candy sounds awesome!

The Joker
06-17-2010, 12:21 PM
Ribery strikes me as vaaaaastly overrated.

He's a top class player in terms of his technique, but it seems he's regressed in the last year. Hard to figure out...

Maybe too many underage hookers and not enough hard work in training?

Dutch
06-17-2010, 12:26 PM
Cool, Toulalan off against South Africa. Would love to see a couple more of each side go off in the second half. I know, I know, Dagmar...it is hatin', can't help it. Despise both teams. As much as it pains me, a 0-0 tie would benefit South Africa so I guess that is what I would like to see. There is a nagging part of me that would love to see Mexico score and get the game opened up even more (I really do despise the Frogs, other than the Legion...but most of them are from somewhere else anyway). I don't believe that South Africa can do enough to move on, unfortunately.

OBF1
06-17-2010, 12:26 PM
Go France!

Anyone who is a USMNT fan will be rooting for the French to beat our main rivals. Rooting for the Mexico team is like a Bronco fan rooting for the raiders....

Rooting against Mexico is like hoping your brother gets his ass kicked by the neighborhood bully. Besides, the french will throw up the white flag and surrender.... history and all you know.

Beantown Bronco
06-17-2010, 12:34 PM
Working with some good guys in the field. Lots of World Cup talk in the group (international). They are dogging the Spanish techs ruthlessly. Pretty funny actually.

I wouldn't dog them too hard considering they're probably all from Central America and not Spain.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 12:36 PM
Juarez off for the next match against Uruguay. Sweet!

Dutch
06-17-2010, 12:40 PM
I wouldn't dog them too hard considering they're probably all from Central America and not Spain.

Er, no. Most are from Italy, Portugal, Spain, Germany, the UK, and France (although those pinheads are on "english speaking" strike again and hang up anytime someone asks them to do something in English). It is more than a little comical from my end.

OBF1
06-17-2010, 12:55 PM
Mexico scores first

The Joker
06-17-2010, 12:55 PM
France have been so ****.

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 01:05 PM
Oh for the LOVE OF GOD!! Been job hunting for a while, got my 1st interview, tomorrow, at 9am right in the middle of the USA game! Good news and bad!!

Dutch
06-17-2010, 01:06 PM
FN Blanco. I hate that little F'er. Bye Bye Froggies!

Dutch
06-17-2010, 01:08 PM
Oh for the LOVE OF GOD!! Been job hunting for a while, got my 1st interview, tomorrow, at 9am right in the middle of the USA game! Good news and bad!!

DOH! Tivo, DVR, something! Seriously, though. Good luck tomorrow, Dagmar. Be sure and let us know how it goes when you get back.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 01:18 PM
Bye Bye Les Blue

DBruleU
06-17-2010, 01:21 PM
Wasn't sure who to root for because I hate both teams, but congrats to Mexico. By far the better side this game. France is crap so far.

OBF1
06-17-2010, 01:24 PM
Viva la Mexico.

Just like I said, The french would surrender. Nothing new to them :)

Dutch
06-17-2010, 01:29 PM
Catch you guys tomorrow. time to get the grill cranked up. Have a great night all, and again...good luck tomorrow Dagmar.

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 01:32 PM
Catch you guys tomorrow. time to get the grill cranked up. Have a great night all, and again...good luck tomorrow Dagmar.

Thanks bro.

Dutch
06-17-2010, 01:34 PM
No Prob, Man. I mean it, been there done that too much the last 9 years. Hell, I'm in Telecom.

ColoradoDarin
06-17-2010, 01:42 PM
Oh for the LOVE OF GOD!! Been job hunting for a while, got my 1st interview, tomorrow, at 9am right in the middle of the USA game! Good news and bad!!

I've got a swim lesson with my son at 10:30, so I'll have to DVR it and try to avoid any news between the end of it and the time I get home.

ColoradoDarin
06-17-2010, 01:43 PM
Oh, and the French have looked like crap these 2 games. They are completely out of sync.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 02:10 PM
OK, so just got home. Have the Mexico France game DVR'd. Anything worth watching immediately or keep it until I have nothing better to do?

Dagmar
06-17-2010, 02:15 PM
OK, so just got home. Have the Mexico France game DVR'd. Anything worth watching immediately or keep it until I have nothing better to do?

Skip the 1st half.

BlaK-Argentina
06-17-2010, 02:21 PM
The French are pretty much out of it and Argentina looked awesome.

Today was a good day. :)

Abqbronco
06-17-2010, 02:47 PM
Wasn't sure who to root for because I hate both teams, but congrats to Mexico. By far the better side this game. France is crap so far.

I felt the exact same way. I decided that I hate France a little less so I am pretty disappointed right now. I'm sure I'll pull out of my depression.

Abqbronco
06-17-2010, 02:50 PM
Viva la Mexico.

Just like I said, The french would surrender. Nothing new to them :)

Awesome! Did anyone else think it was hilarious that the entire back line threw their hands in the air on the first goal?

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 04:02 PM
ESPN coverage has been great. You really could forget you were watching ESPN as they don't have the ignorance and storyline drama that ESPN has been known for in the last 10 years. Just straight sports. They've treated it along the lines of how NFLN has done football.

As I don't follow American soccer, why did the Beckham experiment fail? Did he not hold up to expectations or did noone care because he was an import?

The Beckham experiment didnt fail...the MLS has made money hand over fist off of Beckham, Beckham now owns stake in the league, Beckham increased visibility of the league immensely and helped bring players like Ljungberg and Henry who is coming this year. It also helped raise the credibility of MLS that Beckham went over to AC Milan on loan from LA and did well over there.

The part that failed was Beckham's injury plagued and apathetic first year. He didnt go to all of the sold-out games where people wanted to see him and he didnt show the kind of ballsy win-at-all-cost leadership that Americans demand from their sports stars.

However, at that point Landon Donovan really started to bloom into a star himself. I went to Beckham's first game in Dallas, and Beckham didnt even make the flight. The sold-out crowd was extremely disappointed. Donovan came out on the field focused like a laser and absolutely dominated the match. He led LA to 6 goals and was involved in all of them. It was the most amazing individual performance I had ever seen in person. He played at another level than every other player on the field. He wanted to put on a show for the people that Beckham screwed over, and he succeeded in spades. The talk after the match wasnt about Beckham, it was about Donovan.

Anyway, Donovan and Beckham led LA to the title game last year and Beckham was pretty impressive. Hopefully he'll get to play in MLS again soon because he and Donovan are fun to watch.

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 04:04 PM
Whats up with France? Its like they dont even want to be there. What a bunch of pansies.

worm
06-17-2010, 04:35 PM
Makes you believe in karma and that God is Irish.

Heard from one of my friends in Dublin that some pubs were giving free pints when any team scored a goal against the French.

Seeing the French flame out is my favorite moment of this World Cup so far. The gift that will keep giving for one more game.

Baba Booey
06-17-2010, 05:21 PM
Agreed. Best part of the cup this time around has been watching all the frogs in the stands with their face painted just utterly devastated.

BlaK-Argentina
06-17-2010, 05:58 PM
So we all agree that France sucks? Good.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 09:08 PM
Thanks for letting me know to only watch the 2nd half of the Mexico France game. It was pretty good and everyone saved me 45+ mins of my life by not watching the 1st half.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 05:12 AM
Wow, the ref is turning this into a card fest. Klose sent off with his 2nd card of the match. Germany plays with 10 at the 37:10 mark. Serbia scores first goal at 37:50. Wow. Just flippin wow.

This game could see at least one more player put out. Wouldn't suprise me to see the officials try to even the sides up by doing this to Serbia.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 05:34 AM
Wow, the ref is turning this into a card fest. Klose sent off with his 2nd card of the match. Germany plays with 10 at the 37:10 mark. Serbia scores first goal at 37:50. Wow. Just flippin wow.

This game could see at least one more player put out. Wouldn't suprise me to see the officials try to even the sides up by doing this to Serbia.

What a foolish move to keep arguing at that point though. This isn't like basketball where you get sent off and they have to play without you. This makes it a 52 minute powerplay for Serbia and he could've sank his team because he wanted to argue a card that can't be ungiven.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 05:42 AM
Holy crap... half the team is gonna be carded by game's end. Commentators aren't fans of the carding either.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 05:45 AM
Hahahaha... this is insane. Why in the world do you throw your arms out like that?

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 05:49 AM
Serbian keeper could've blocked that with a move of the foot. Terrible PK compared to the others we've seen in this tournament. He'd have had better luck just to walk up and drill it blindly.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 05:57 AM
Who would have thought that Germany (the media darlings of the Cup to date) would be down a goal and a man by the start of the second half? The blocked penalty shot was definately a case of playing it too cute. Germany is showing a bit of their youth here. Podolski needs to let someone else shoot. Dude has missed a few shots that should have at least been on goal.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 06:02 AM
Who would have thought that Germany (the media darlings of the Cup to date) would be down a goal and a man by the start of the second half? The blocked penalty shot was definately a case of playing it too cute. Germany is showing a bit of their youth here. Podolski needs to let someone else shoot. Dude has missed a few shots that should have at least been on goal.

The Germans have been getting fussy on a lot of their cards with the one earlier being red carded, the one a minute ago that saw it was coming and wouldn't look back at the ref. In a game like this, you get no benefit out of pouting and upsetting the ref even more.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 06:09 AM
The fella that got red carded should take this game on his shoulders. I have no doubt that with 11 men, Germany has at least put one in if not won this outright.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 06:11 AM
7 shots with only one on goal. That's when you know you're shooting outside your accurate range.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 06:19 AM
The fella that got red carded should take this game on his shoulders. I have no doubt that with 11 men, Germany has at least put one in if not won this outright.

It was Klose and honestly they were both non-card level fouls. There has been 0% consistency in the way this clown has called the game. If half of the plays made in the last 10 min would have occured in the first 10 of the game, he would have booked them all. Unbelievable. Group "D" just became very interesting indeed. Ghana moves to the head of the group with a win tomorrow over Australia.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 06:20 AM
WOW. Serbia gets it done!

Dutch
06-18-2010, 06:21 AM
Germany's first group stage loss since 1986.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 06:25 AM
Group D will still come down to the Germany Ghana game so while they should've done better today, Germany probably didn't hurt themselves too bad in the process. If Ghana takes it to Australia 3 or 4 - 0 then it could change things. I wasn't impressed by Serbia though so I wouldn't expect that, personally.

Almost US time... better grab some breakfast and get the groove going in the couch. Don't plan to get up for a while.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 07:00 AM
!Booya!

Dutch
06-18-2010, 07:01 AM
hope this doesn't turn into a card fest. C'mon Dempsey. We don't need to pull a Germany here.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 07:02 AM
This is gonna be nice after the Germany game. This ref doesn't seem to want to quickdraw with anyone.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 07:04 AM
If we can avoid giving up a cheap goal in the first 15 min we have a good chance of getting the win.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 07:05 AM
Seems to be lots of miscommunication and possibly nerves for the US team. Really sloppy to start.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 07:05 AM
Great ball by Bradley!

Dutch
06-18-2010, 07:08 AM
You could actually hear the "USA USA USA" chants over the flippin VuVu's

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 07:09 AM
You could actually hear the "USA USA USA" chants over the flippin VuVu's

I heard that. Quite impressive that so many travelled to South Africa to support the team.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 07:13 AM
Wow...

Dutch
06-18-2010, 07:33 AM
We're playing pretty tight. Hope we don't give up another before the half.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 07:39 AM
Who passes there?! Take the freakin' shot!

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 07:40 AM
Terrrrrrrrrrrible call.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 07:42 AM
I'm losing hope fast. US can play solid at times but there's glaring mental errors that just kill em.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 07:42 AM
World Cup is now over for the USA.

Can only hope that the federation will go out and hire a qualified coach next time around.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 07:43 AM
World Cup is now over for the USA.

They had some great opportunities there but they really need things to go their way.

eddie mac
06-18-2010, 07:45 AM
ffs dont give up on your team yet. Plenty of time left.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 07:47 AM
ffs dont give up on your team yet. Plenty of time left.

Hope isn't lost but changes have to be made. The same things I saw against England are still there today though so... we'll see.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 07:49 AM
They had some great opportunities there but they really need things to go their way.

The US doesn't have the ability/discipline to mark opposing players.

It was the same vs. England; they had players running completely unmarked and I was ridiculed for pointing it out. If England could have had composure in front of goal, the scoreline could have easily been 4-1. Same thing happened on both goals in this game.

It becomes difficult to get behind this team when the federation won't even go out and get a qualified international coach. Bradley cannot even get our best players involved in the game because he isolated them on the wings and the US doesn't have the quality to get service out to them. Why he doesn't put Holden on a wing and move Donovan in the middle is beyond me. It's perhaps the most obvious change in the world and would have immediate impact.

Ray Finkle
06-18-2010, 07:50 AM
The US doesn't have the ability/discipline to mark opposing players.

It was the same vs. England; they had players running completely unmarked and I was ridiculed for pointing it out. Same thing happened on both goals in this game.

It becomes difficult to get behind this team when the federation won't even go out and get a qualified international coach. Bradley cannot even get our best players involved in the game because he isolated them on the wings and the US doesn't have the quality to get service out to them. Why he doesn't put Holden on a wing and move Donovan in the middle is beyond me. It's perhaps the most obvious change in the world and would have immediate impact.

They should have done what they needed to last time. Hire Klinsmann....

Dutch
06-18-2010, 07:54 AM
I can't believe that they passed on that shot. Then promptly gave up the goal at the other end. Exactly the scenario I was most afraid of. This isn't a matter of being a Fair Weather Fan. This is exactly the same thing we produce cup after cup and the main reason we don't get more respect in the international soccer community. Onyewu got beat on both goals badly. Findley looks over his head. US 1-30-2 when down by 2 goals in cup history.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 07:54 AM
Also don't think Findley should be on after the half. Would much rather see Dempsey up there instead of wasting away on the outside.

Dempsey is most dangerous when he is allowed a free attacking role.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 07:55 AM
The US doesn't have the ability/discipline to mark opposing players.

It was the same vs. England; they had players running completely unmarked and I was ridiculed for pointing it out. If England could have had composure in front of goal, the scoreline could have easily been 4-1. Same thing happened on both goals in this game.

It becomes difficult to get behind this team when the federation won't even go out and get a qualified international coach. Bradley cannot even get our best players involved in the game because he isolated them on the wings and the US doesn't have the quality to get service out to them. Why he doesn't put Holden on a wing and move Donovan in the middle is beyond me. It's perhaps the most obvious change in the world and would have immediate impact.

Agreed.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 07:55 AM
The US doesn't have the ability/discipline to mark opposing players.

It was the same vs. England; they had players running completely unmarked and I was ridiculed for pointing it out. If England could have had composure in front of goal, the scoreline could have easily been 4-1. Same thing happened on both goals in this game.

It becomes difficult to get behind this team when the federation won't even go out and get a qualified international coach. Bradley cannot even get our best players involved in the game because he isolated them on the wings and the US doesn't have the quality to get service out to them. Why he doesn't put Holden on a wing and move Donovan in the middle is beyond me. It's perhaps the most obvious change in the world and would have immediate impact.

For me, it seems to almost come down to the basics. How many times do we have to see the last defender keeping the other team onside while sitting on his heels? You have to either get that last guy offside or be moving to mitigate the scenario. When you're 40 yds out and facing that... the thing you can't do is let them get a through ball breakaway. That's exactly what keeps happening. The other goal was a good shot that more often than not doesn't score. He should've been defended as he had already moved the ball a bit but it wasn't a completely retarded fail, in my opinion.

On offense, oh it's rough. There's simple pass the ball back and forth errors that are turning into turnovers. They're still using high risk stuff or one man drives to move the ball forward and seem incapable of making clear, penetrating forward passes most of the time. Somewhere between basic principles and overall skill that the US team is lacking.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 07:56 AM
Also don't think Findley should be on after the half. Would much rather see Dempsey up there instead of wasting away on the outside.

Dempsey is most dangerous when he is allowed a free attacking role.

I feel exactly the same way.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 08:00 AM
For me, it seems to almost come down to the basics. How many times do we have to see the last defender keeping the other team onside while sitting on his heels? You have to either get that last guy offside or be moving to mitigate the scenario. When you're 40 yds out and facing that... the thing you can't do is let them get a through ball breakaway. That's exactly what keeps happening. The other goal was a good shot that more often than not doesn't score. He should've been defended as he had already moved the ball a bit but it wasn't a completely retarded fail, in my opinion.

On offense, oh it's rough. There's simple pass the ball back and forth errors that are turning into turnovers. They're still using high risk stuff or one man drives to move the ball forward and seem incapable of making clear, penetrating forward passes most of the time. Somewhere between basic principles and overall skill that the US team is lacking.

We cannot possess the ball in the midfield. The US keeps bypassing the midfield in favor of the long ball. This is why I'd love to see Donovan in the center of the pitch, dictating the play. Donovan has the skill to hold the ball and allow Altidore to use his speed and strength to make runs and then hit him.

I like Torres, but he's so hit and miss. When he's on, he can provide some great creativity. But he's not on today.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 08:01 AM
Well. If we don't get back into this one after the half and at least pull a tie, we are hosed. England should take Algeria later. Leaves us pulling for Slovenia to beat England in a game that will see them already through with 2 wins. Not likely.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 08:02 AM
Hope for a 2002 vs. Portgual performance.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:03 AM
Dempsey up like you want. Torres out as well.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 08:03 AM
Dempsey up front now, so at least 1 good move by Bob.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 08:03 AM
I still would have rather have seen Holden instead of Edu though.

broncofan2438
06-18-2010, 08:04 AM
Can US soccer get any worse??
Terrible

eddie mac
06-18-2010, 08:04 AM
Hope isn't lost but changes have to be made. The same things I saw against England are still there today though so... we'll see.

2-1 great finish Donovan.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:04 AM
Got it! Point blank!

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 08:05 AM
Gooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllll l

broncofan2438
06-18-2010, 08:05 AM
Bradley needs to step down

eddie mac
06-18-2010, 08:05 AM
Told ya guys, keep the faith.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 08:05 AM
Thats what we were talking about!

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:05 AM
That was a strike! The Keeper flinched and backed off.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:07 AM
Almost got the 2nd there.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 08:07 AM
Really makes that 2nd Slovenia goal hurt all that much more though.

eddie mac
06-18-2010, 08:07 AM
Close again.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 08:08 AM
Really makes that 2nd Slovenia goal hurt all that much more though.

Sure does.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:13 AM
It also leaves us wondering what might've been had Findley not been called for a faceball. That ball was lingering right in front of the goal.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:15 AM
No foul on that one? He was tackled from behind

Dutch
06-18-2010, 08:17 AM
Nice tackle. Dempsey fouled in the box. Unreal.

Garcia Bronco
06-18-2010, 08:20 AM
What's the score now? Still 2-0?

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:22 AM
what's the score now? Still 2-0?

2-1

Garcia Bronco
06-18-2010, 08:24 AM
Thanks!

Tie it up!

Dutch
06-18-2010, 08:28 AM
Well, another thing that doesn't change is the US having to win in spite of the officiating. Unreal.

Natedog24
06-18-2010, 08:30 AM
Cmon Yanks, tie this **** up!

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:31 AM
Well, another thing that doesn't change is the US having to win in spite of the officiating. Unreal.

It really is insane. I don't think most of it is the official calling a bad game but just not seeing what's happening.

A couple decent shots on goal there but they have all been directly at the keeper.

Again! Some crazy stupidity stopping a scoring opportunity for the US.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:38 AM
Got it!

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 08:39 AM
holy ****

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 08:39 AM
now win the game lol

Natedog24
06-18-2010, 08:41 AM
I think you go for the win here

eddie mac
06-18-2010, 08:41 AM
You should listen to me more often. lol

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:41 AM
I think you go for the win here

Absolutely. Slovenia isn't moving the ball like they had been. Maintain the momentum.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 08:42 AM
You should listen to me more often. lol

odds of this comeback were slim to none.

hell, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Natedog24
06-18-2010, 08:43 AM
****ing bull**** ref, ****ing bull****

eddie mac
06-18-2010, 08:43 AM
dodgy there, offside??? Not Edu though but was Bradley interfering with play???

Dutch
06-18-2010, 08:43 AM
Refs got a goal back for Slovenia....BS

eddie mac
06-18-2010, 08:44 AM
odds of this comeback were slim to none.

hell, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Thanks AHA, first time ever I've been called a broken clock.LOL

Garcia Bronco
06-18-2010, 08:45 AM
2 up?

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:45 AM
What is that, 3 goal opportunities the ref has taken away?

broncofan2438
06-18-2010, 08:45 AM
This ref needs to be shot

Natedog24
06-18-2010, 08:46 AM
2 up?

2-2, should be 3-2 USA

Doggcow
06-18-2010, 08:48 AM
This game should be something like 4-2 also. He has been butt****ing us all day.

This is exceptionally pathetic. I may never watch this sport again.

The refs have completely controlled this game, so ****ing stupid.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 08:48 AM
refs started out so good early in the cup, but this one and the last one in the Germany game have been atrocious. It's really unfortunate.

It still comes down to the US not being ready to go from the opening whistle, regardless if the refs bone them or not.

Garcia Bronco
06-18-2010, 08:49 AM
Thanks guy. Delayed flight has me missing this.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:50 AM
refs started out so good early in the cup, but this one and the last one in the Germany game have been atrocious. It's really unfortunate.

It still comes down to the US not being ready to go from the opening whistle, regardless if the refs bone them or not.

Agreed, this game should be 2-1 so the stolen points should just be extra. That said, the US did what they needed to come back and win but it's not working.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 08:51 AM
Still going to be hard for the US to qualify if England beats Algeria.

Doggcow
06-18-2010, 08:51 AM
refs started out so good early in the cup, but this one and the last one in the Germany game have been atrocious. It's really unfortunate.

It still comes down to the US not being ready to go from the opening whistle, regardless if the refs bone them or not.

No it doesnt. The Refs completely ****ed us out of a goal. We WON THIS GAME, PERIOD. NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:53 AM
Still going to be hard for the US to qualify if England beats Algeria.

As long as the US wins against Algeria, it'll come down to England Slevenia for the 2nd place. US Should get through as long as that game doesn't draw.

Right?

Edit: Correction, we just want England to win against Slovenia if they beat Algeria.

Dutch
06-18-2010, 08:54 AM
Rediculously bad officiating. I absolutely hate it when the refs have that level of impact on the game. Well, we get a point. Need to win in big fashion against Algeria. Would love to see Algeria pull off a tie against England, but don't see that happening.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:56 AM
Rediculously bad officiating. I absolutely hate it when the refs have that level of impact on the game. Well, we get a point. Need to win in big fashion against Algeria. Would love to see Algeria pull off a tie against England, but don't see that happening.

I don't understand it... 3 times they stopped the game in front of the goal on questionable calls. 3 times! Is that really a coincidence?

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 08:56 AM
As long as the US wins against Algeria, it'll come down to England Slevenia for the 2nd place. US Should get through as long as that game doesn't draw.

Right?

If England wins today, they will be tied with Slovenia with 4 points.

US will have to beat Algeria and hope Slovenia-England doesn't draw to avoid a 3 way tie at the top.

WABronco
06-18-2010, 08:57 AM
Get back to me when the US actually shows something for an entire 90. They didn't even show talent or playmaking comparable to Slovenia.

But, pretty sure they can still make it out of the group with a win next and hoping for a Slovenian loss against England, right?

Hercules Rockefeller
06-18-2010, 08:57 AM
If England wins today, they will be tied with Slovenia with 4 points.

US will have to beat Algeria and hope Slovenia-England doesn't draw to avoid a 3 way tie at the top.

1st tiebreaker is goal differential (IIRC), beat Algeria by 2 and the US is guaranteed through.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:57 AM
If England wins today, they will be tied with Slovenia with 4 points.

US will have to beat Algeria and hope Slovenia-England doesn't draw to avoid a 3 way tie at the top.

Correct. And as long England only wins by 1, that would put the US in a tie or win situation (assuming they beat Algeria).

What's the tiebreaker there if the GD is the same?

broncofan2438
06-18-2010, 08:58 AM
Should have won that one

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 08:59 AM
Get back to me when the US actually shows something for an entire 90. They didn't even show talent or playmaking comparable to Slovenia.

But, pretty sure they can still make it out of the group with a win next and hoping for a Slovenian loss against England, right?

US played very, very sloppy the 1st half but when they went on the attack, they cleaned up well. If they can play the way they played in the 2nd half, they aren't the most skilled ever but the effort is better. Heck, they may not have even won a fight for a longball in the 1st half. All US goal kicks seemed to be going back the other way instantly.

Doggcow
06-18-2010, 09:00 AM
Get back to me when the US actually shows something for an entire 90. They didn't even show talent or playmaking comparable to Slovenia.

But, pretty sure they can still make it out of the group with a win next and hoping for a Slovenian loss against England, right?

If we only turned it on for 45 mins, and won 3-2 would you still be complaining?

We scored 3 goals AT LEAST in the 2nd half... but we also got super ****ed out of one.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-18-2010, 09:00 AM
What's the tiebreaker there if the GD is the same?

Goals scored

US and Slovenia- 3
England- 1
Algeria- 0

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 09:00 AM
Should have won that one

Still absolutely stunned. Ranting to the wife and she probably wants me to shut up.

"Oh no, US has the ball in front of the net, someone must be offside!!!!"

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 09:00 AM
Correct. And as long England only wins by 1, that would put the US in a tie or win situation (assuming they beat Algeria).

What's the tiebreaker there if the GD is the same?

Goals scored.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 09:01 AM
Goals scored

US and Slovenia- 3
England- 1
Algeria- 0

So that's in our favor too as long as the England Slovenia game doesn't go haywire.

Who would've thought that at this point, England could be the ones out?

broncofan2438
06-18-2010, 09:01 AM
Did they call it a foul or off sides, either way, bull****

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 09:02 AM
Did they call it a foul or off sides, either way, bull****

I don't think anyone knows. But since there was 3 of them, probably some of each.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 09:05 AM
1st tiebreaker is goal differential (IIRC), beat Algeria by 2 and the US is guaranteed through.

Nothing is guaranteed. A lot can still happen.

Fact is, US didn't do themselves any favors by ****ting the bed in the first half.

Last World Cup win was against Portugal in 2002, so I wouldn't take anything for granted against Algeria, espeacially considering they will get somewhat of a boost being an African nation.

Atwater His Ass
06-18-2010, 09:06 AM
So that's in our favor too as long as the England Slovenia game doesn't go haywire.

Who would've thought that at this point, England could be the ones out?

Don't count your chickens yet. England still hasn't played their second game. They beat Algeria, and they're in the drivers seat.

broncofan2438
06-18-2010, 09:06 AM
That ref should be executed......sorry

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 09:09 AM
Don't count your chickens yet. England still hasn't played their second game. They beat Algeria, and they're in the drivers seat.

Well I just figure the England Slovenia game to be an even matchup. You're right though, if England wins today (especially if decisively), they're in good position.

Best case scenario is for England to win the last two games.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 09:09 AM
That ref should be executed......sorry

I would take an explanation right now. If it sucks, then an execution.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-18-2010, 09:10 AM
Nothing is guaranteed. A lot can still happen.


Yes, beating Algeria by 2 guarantees they go through.

US would be at 5 pts with a +2

England wins both games- 7 (Eng), 5 (US), and 4 (Slo)
England ties, then wins- 5 (US and Eng), and 4 (Slo)
England wins, then ties- 5 (US, Eng and Slo), Slo could only be +1, England's GD is irrelevant
England loses to Slovenia- 7 (Slo) and 5 (US)

The US controls their destiny

Garcia Bronco
06-18-2010, 09:10 AM
To be honest, soccer is a lessor sport and played by most European and African countries because they lack he skills and toughness to play a man's game. It's no surprise they have to cheat. :p

bronco militia
06-18-2010, 09:20 AM
To be honest, soccer is a lessor sport and played by most European and African countries because they lack he skills and toughness to play a man's game. It's no surprise they have to cheat. :p

:giggle:

The Joker
06-18-2010, 09:23 AM
Yeah beat Algeria by 2 and you guys are 100% through, no maybes about it.

Even a one goal win would likely be enough unless England and Slovenia have a high scoring draw.

Awful decision by the referee though, you guys should have gotten the win.

Doggcow
06-18-2010, 09:24 AM
To be honest, soccer is a lessor sport and played by most European and African countries because they lack he skills and toughness to play a man's game. It's no surprise they have to cheat. :p

Impoverished countries have a huge advantage in soccer. Because no one has anything to do except sit around and kick a ball around on the dirt.

Plus, other countries pull from 80%+ of their athletes. Any of ours who are extraordinary go to the NFL/MLB/NHL, we pull from probably like 10% of our "athlete population" for soccer.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 09:24 AM
An England-Algeria tie is the only way the US can tie against Algeria and still make it through, right?

If an England victory doesn't help the US then I'm rooting for a tie today.

DBruleU
06-18-2010, 09:25 AM
To be honest, soccer is a lessor sport and played by most European and African countries because they lack he skills and toughness to play a man's game. It's no surprise they have to cheat. :p

I don't know what this means, but, aren't the black athletes in the "mans game", football I assume, AFRICAN American?

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 09:28 AM
I don't know what this means, but, aren't the black athletes in the "mans game", football I assume, AFRICAN American?

To be black does not equal coming from an African country. Maybe the ancestors did but they probably know as much about their African ancestors as I do about my Irish ones.

The Joker
06-18-2010, 09:30 AM
An England-Algeria tie is the only way the US can tie against Algeria and still make it through, right?

If an England victory doesn't help the US then I'm rooting for a tie today.

Realistically, yes.

The England game really doesn't matter for the US.

Beat Algeria, nothing else matters.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 09:33 AM
Realistically, yes.

The England game really doesn't matter for the US.

Beat Algeria, nothing else matters.

Ideally they beat Algeria but if the refs strike again, 3 ties that equate to moving forward would suffice for me. Goooooo Algeria, get the tie!

Garcia Bronco
06-18-2010, 09:44 AM
I don't know what this means, but, aren't the black athletes in the "mans game", football I assume, AFRICAN American?

No. They are just American, but if you want to get technical....we are all African....specifically Mesopatomians(sp)

Garcia Bronco
06-18-2010, 09:46 AM
All I know is Obama better do something about this. This is the measuing stick by which I will judge his presidency.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 09:48 AM
Has anyone seen an explanation attempted yet? I got to watch HGTV with the wife after the game ended ::) and just now flipped back over to ESPN

Doggcow
06-18-2010, 09:53 AM
Has anyone seen an explanation attempted yet? I got to watch HGTV with the wife after the game ended ::) and just now flipped back over to ESPN

Lol. I watch HGTV with the girlfriend all the time too. Know how it is. She's a good sport, I get exclusivity when it comes to any sporting event, period. As long as she gets to watch HGTV in the afternoon.

I also give her free reign to decorate lol, she's doing pretty well :P

DBruleU
06-18-2010, 09:55 AM
No. They are just American, but if you want to get technical....we are all African....specifically Mesopatomians(sp)

I agree with that. I've never understood the term "African-American." Some are...but the vast majority described as African-American are not from Africa.

That One Guy
06-18-2010, 10:11 AM
Just went over the one that scored on ESPN and the one thing I guess I hadn't noticed is that the whistle is blowing before the kick even occurs. Whatever is seen must be before the kick. Everyone's focusing on the period where the ball is traveling to the goal but it happened before that.

BroncoLifer
06-18-2010, 10:20 AM
To be honest, soccer is a lessor sport and played by most European and African countries because they lack he skills and toughness to play a man's game. It's no surprise they have to cheat. :p


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