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Dagmar
01-29-2010, 07:31 AM
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epicSocialism4tw
01-29-2010, 09:12 AM
Ha!

I have that guy on ignore, so I dont know what the heck he's yammerin' on about, but I saw your rep comment Dagmar.

I may be incorrect because the font is so small, but did that guy really misspell "fairy"?

epicSocialism4tw
01-29-2010, 09:15 AM
...on another note, I saw Algeria play Egypt yesterday. I have been somewhat wary of Algeria. However, they looked awful and classless in that game. I'm starting to think that the US can take them out even if they play a subpar game.

sixtimeseight
01-29-2010, 09:49 AM
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MplsBronco
01-29-2010, 11:34 AM
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I got one too. Pathetic little boy.

epicSocialism4tw
02-08-2010, 01:40 PM
Jozy Altidore netted his first premiership goal yesterday and had what was really a pretty good game against Man City. Both center halves were carded on separate occasions because Altidore had gotten the by them toward goal. Altidore did an excellent job of winning, holding, and distributing the ball.

Scroll down a bit for the Jozy highlights:
http://watchsocceronline.blogspot.com/2010/02/motd-highlights-of-ya-in-prem-howard.html#more

atomicbloke
02-08-2010, 01:50 PM
The England NT is in disarray over the John Terry scandal, and the stripping of his captaincy. I don't think Rio Ferdinand is a good leader.

Maybe the stars are aligning for the USA NT to pull off a major upset?

epicSocialism4tw
02-08-2010, 02:01 PM
The England NT is in disarray over the John Terry scandal, and the stripping of his captaincy. I don't think Rio Ferdinand is a good leader.

Maybe the stars are aligning for the USA NT to pull off a major upset?

This type of thing is disasterous for a national team.

Even if they beat the US and/or win the group, they wont have what it takes to win the cup.

Rich Karlis
02-08-2010, 02:04 PM
Jozy Altidore netted his first premiership goal yesterday and had what was really a pretty good game against Man City. Both center halves were carded on separate occasions because Altidore had gotten the by them toward goal. Altidore did an excellent job of winning, holding, and distributing the ball.

Scroll down a bit for the Jozy highlights:
http://watchsocceronline.blogspot.com/2010/02/motd-highlights-of-ya-in-prem-howard.html#more

I watched that game live on Saturday morning and that is the best i've seen Jozy play in a non-national team game. The ball he hit for the goal was perfectly struck.

epicSocialism4tw
02-08-2010, 02:07 PM
I watched that game live on Saturday morning and that is the best i've seen Jozy play in a non-national team game. The ball he hit for the goal was perfectly struck.

He frustrated the heck out of the Man City back line. Having to hold position against a brute like Jozy takes its toll over the course of a game. When he learns to take advantage of that all the time, he'll be able to punish defenders over 90 minutes which would be a boon for the strike force of whatever team he is on.

DenverBrit
02-08-2010, 02:40 PM
Ha!

I have that guy on ignore, so I dont know what the heck he's yammerin' on about, but I saw your rep comment Dagmar.

I may be incorrect because the font is so small, but did that guy really misspell "fairy"?

Fraid so.

Ya bunch of................ football loving EuroFerrys. Ha!

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/57207.jpg

ludo21
02-08-2010, 02:49 PM
Love seeing our boys do well with their clubs. I hope they continue to play well going into the Cup.

I am a Spurs fan and if Ledley King gets the nod to play behind Terry and Ferdinand I dont think they lose to much with him as a Sub. He is a solid defender.

Dagmar
02-10-2010, 02:41 PM
From JamesLeach on Twitter: "Is it a coincidence that Everton's resurgence has coincided with Landon Donovan's arrival?"
No, no it isn't. He's very good, isn't he?

From BBC's text commentary of the evening's football.

epicSocialism4tw
02-10-2010, 04:00 PM
From BBC's text commentary of the evening's football.

Donovan was a threat in that game. He had an assist and won a penalty (which Saha promptly shanked).

He made England's #1 left back Ashley Cole struggle, and then injured him on a clean tackle. To say that he outplayed Ashley Cole would be more than fair...to Ashley Cole. Donovan worked that side very, very well on both ends.

He made creative plays, set up goal attempts, tackled well (Chelsea fans are complaining that he's dirty! Landon Donovan dirty? Ha! ), and held his position on the field with authority.

Donovan was probably the best player on the field today, and Everton beat Chelsea 2-1. Make of that what you will.

This is a great year for Landon, isnt it?

British Bronco
02-10-2010, 04:45 PM
Can we keep him please???!!!

epicSocialism4tw
02-10-2010, 05:07 PM
Can we keep him please???!!!

I hope they can work out a transfer, because as it looks Landon wants to play for Everton.

Natedog24
02-10-2010, 08:10 PM
"That was Landon's best game for us," said Moyes. "But I don't think we'll be able to keep him when his three-month loan expires unfortunately."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...e-match-report (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/10/everton-chelsea-premier-league-match-report)

I hope they find a way to keep Donovan but it doesn't seem likely if this quote has any truth to it :(

epicSocialism4tw
02-10-2010, 08:46 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...e-match-report (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/10/everton-chelsea-premier-league-match-report)

I hope they find a way to keep Donovan but it doesn't seem likely if this quote has any truth to it :(

He's talking about the loan...not about the summer transfer session. Moyes has mentioned that as an option I believe.

Everton had not beaten Chelsea in 10 matches. Donovan is the player of the game and Everton wins. Everton fans are becoming quickly endeared to Landon. Landon has become a major contributor to Everton during the best stretch of their season.

If Everton do not buy Donovan out, someone else might. He has been excellent so far.

Atwater His Ass
02-18-2010, 03:35 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/usa/story/US-ace-a-month-from-resuming-training

So Davies thinks he's about a month away from resumeing full training with Sochaux and expects to be back playing before the end of the season. Amazing.

I'm starting to really believe that he'll be available and in form for the World Cup.

epicSocialism4tw
02-18-2010, 03:43 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/usa/story/US-ace-a-month-from-resuming-training

So Davies thinks he's about a month away from resumeing full training with Sochaux and expects to be back playing before the end of the season. Amazing.

I'm starting to really believe that he'll be available and in form for the World Cup.

Davies is in France right now. Unbelievable.

If he makes it onto the WC squad, his is the best sports story of the year by far.

Dagmar
02-28-2010, 08:15 AM
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thanku::thanku::pimp:)::notwo rthy:spit::welcome::D

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Woooooooooooooooooooooooo

Maurice Edu scores the winner for the RANGERS!!!


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Dagmar
02-28-2010, 08:27 AM
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Dagmar
02-28-2010, 09:11 AM
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Dagmar
02-28-2010, 01:02 PM
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Dagmar
02-28-2010, 01:03 PM
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47390000/jpg/_47390969_edu_pab466.jpg

Dagmar
02-28-2010, 01:18 PM
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Dagmar
02-28-2010, 11:09 PM
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Atwater His Ass
03-03-2010, 02:05 PM
Borstein is absolutely horrible. I honestly cannot believe he is even on the roster, let alone starting. Here in the 57th minute against Holland, he's been torched 6 times, including 1 for a penalty,and was lucky to not give up another penalty on a handball in the box.

Bornstein just brings nothing to the table. He's not technically sound, he constantly makes stupid decisions, and he costs the team huge in almost every match he plays in. He doesn't make any plays, and he doesn't provide support on the wing going forward (i doubt he could even hit a cross in the box anyway...)

Bocanegra is the USA best LB, but Bradley still won't move him over there permantly. I'd much rather have Bocs over at LB and give someone else a look at CB then having to see one more second of Bornstein sayin "my bad" again.

Best 5 defenders for the US are Oneywu, Bocanegra, DeMerit, Cherundolo, and Spector.

Gooch and DeMerit need to be starting in the middle, with Bocanegra on the left side and let Cherundolo and Spector duke it out for the RB spot.

Atwater His Ass
03-03-2010, 02:43 PM
I have never been a Beasley supporter, but he carried the US team in the 2nd half and had a great game.

For a guy that 6 months ago had no chance to make the roster, it looks like he's done well coming back from injury and he's been getting time at Rangers.

If he can keep up good wide play on the left, it lets us move Donovan to a more central role where he is much more dangerous.

DHallblows
03-03-2010, 04:05 PM
I'm just glad we'll have this in time for the WC:
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hookemhess
04-16-2010, 11:32 AM
http://i.imgur.com/yDk8C.jpg

RonDaChamp24
04-16-2010, 12:48 PM
Go Italy!

epicSocialism4tw
04-16-2010, 04:02 PM
I'm just glad we'll have this in time for the WC:
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Dempsey scored two of the best goals by a premeirship player this year.

DHallblows
04-16-2010, 04:04 PM
Dempsey scored two of the best goals by a premeirship player this year.

I will continue to homer for him until the end of time

atomicbloke
04-16-2010, 04:08 PM
USA 3 - England 1.

You heard it here first.

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 02:46 PM
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DHallblows
05-11-2010, 03:09 PM
It's good to see that Hahnemann made the roster. Definitely our 3 best goalie currently. (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/../Teams/MNT/H/Marcus-Hahnemann.aspx)

DHallblows
05-11-2010, 04:15 PM
Oh wow, looking at it more, I'm shocked by the other Forwards. Conor Casey may not be Brian McBride, but I'd take him over any true F on that roster besides Jozy. Herculez Gomez made the roster?! Come on now...

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 04:21 PM
Oh wow, looking at it more, I'm shocked by the other Forwards. Conor Casey may not be Brian McBride, but I'd take him over any true F on that roster besides Jozy. Herculez Gomez made the roster?! Come on now...

Herc Gomez is playing in Mexico for Puebla and led the league in scoring. He has been on an absolute tear.

DHallblows
05-11-2010, 04:43 PM
Herc Gomez is playing in Mexico for Puebla and led the league in scoring. He has been on an absolute tear.

Maybe he's picked it up for keeps. But I was all sorts of unimpressed with his stay with the Rapids. But I'll admit I haven't seen his highlights his season

epicSocialism4tw
05-11-2010, 04:45 PM
Maybe he's picked it up for keeps. But I was all sorts of unimpressed with his stay with the Rapids. But I'll admit I haven't seen his highlights his season

He has scored some very nice goals.

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atomicbloke
05-11-2010, 05:20 PM
Meanwhile England are in total disarray with a rash of late season injuries to key players.

The stars are lining up in space.

USA -3 England -1

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/09/wayne-rooney-manchester-united-fabio-capello

As Wayne Rooney signalled to the bench that he needed to depart the stage with an aching groin a pessimist would have feared that two campaigns had died at once. Manchester United (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/manchester-united)'s mission to win a fourth consecutive Premier League (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/premierleague) title was disappearing under a tide of Chelsea (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chelsea) goals and England's chances of winning the World Cup seemed similarly imperilled.
Half an hour later Rooney was back on the pitch with his baby son riding his shoulders. Kai Rooney now knows how popular his father is and what a mass protest looks like. Against a landscape of green and gold scarves and 'Glazers out' cards, Rooney Sr and his unsteady passenger drew the heat from a day of demonstrations that featured a smoke bomb outside the megastore and a shoving match at the directors' entrance, which activists tried to breach while tossing Monopoly money. As indignation coloured United's final home game of a comparatively unproductive season Rooney surrendered his hold on the Golden Boot for the Premier League's leading scorer to Didier Drogba and United were obliged to accept a delay in their quest to win a 19th league title and ease one ahead of Liverpool in the all-time list.
"I think he's aggravated the groin again. I don't think it's serious – he'll be OK for England," said Sir Alex Ferguson, the United manager. But Rooney's fragility since he sprained ankle ligaments in the Champions League quarter-final at Bayern Munich will worry Fabio Capello, the England coach, although he will be encouraged that Rio Ferdinand got through 90 minutes today.
The country's best player has expended the energy of three men in filling the gap left by Cristiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez and closed the door on his own year weighed down by garlands. The PFA and Football Writers' Association award winner scored 33 times in all competitions and started the day level with Drogba in the league on 26. A hat-trick for the Chelsea striker in the 8-0 evisceration of Wigan brought a brutal end to the duel between the two stars of a season that was relatively low on individual brilliance.
Rooney's barn-burning zeal in the central goalscorer's role kept United on Chelsea's heels but supremacy has now shifted by a one-point margin back to Roman Abramovich and his west London Kremlin. United have responded once already to Chelsea's power and now they must do so again. The last time Ferguson's men deferred was the 2005-06 season, when José Mourinho won the second of his two league titles and United were confined to the Carling Cup, as they have been in this campaign. For comfort the Stretford End can remind itself that United won the next three championships and reached the 2008 and 2009 Champions League finals, beating Chelsea in Moscow in the first of those adventures.
A 4-0 win over the deeply unimaginative Stoke City would have been written up as a great defiant act had Chelsea not battered twice as many past Wigan. At the end of a programme in which people have dared to talk of democracy spreading, a couple of mid-to-low ranking sides were caught in the heavy fire between two great powers and the Premier League felt like a microcosm of our unequal society all over again.
Goals from Darren Fletcher, Ryan Giggs, Park Ji-sung and one in his own net by Stoke's Danny Higginbotham reaffirmed an odd truth about United's uneven pursuit of a 12th title in Ferguson's 24 years in charge. Even without Ronaldo and Tevez they have scored 86 times to last year's 68. Many United fans will say that losing home and away to Chelsea this term was the deciding factor but Ferguson refused to "agonise" over individual results and at the end told supporters from the pitch: "Next season we'll go again and hopefully bring the title to the best place in the world."
With rancour towards the Glazers spreading, United occupy parallel states. Stability on the pitch offers a sharp counter-point to insurrection in the stands. At most clubs unrest on this scale would flood the playing side but Ferguson remains adamant that the money from the Ronaldo sale is available to him and has not been wired to the banks to repay interest on the club's Ģ709m debts. The protesters, though, will remain suspicious as long as United pursue cheaper options for solving the obvious Dimitar Berbatov problem (Rooney's fellow striker has scored 12 goals all season) and the dip in creativity in midfield.
"Of course we'll come back next year. That's what Manchester United do," Ferguson said. The word is that he is drawing fresh hope from the swarm of young forwards who have now been joined by the young Mexican, Javier Hernandez.
Conversely United were knocked out of the FA Cup by Leeds, lost seven Premier League games in all and crashed out of the Champions League to Bayern Munich despite being 3-0 up after 40 minutes in the home leg. Rio Ferdinand has been bedevilled by injury, Michael Carrick has regressed and Berbatov may have to be discarded at a loss. But the religion of youth development is even stronger than when Ronaldo and Rooney led the counter-surge against Chelsea after Mourinho had fallen out with Abramovich.
So now the pursuit of the 19th league title is halted, giving Liverpool their own chance to respond, and Rooney sheds the red of United for the white of England, limping and without the golden boot that seemed sure to bear his name until Drogba stuck his own foot in it.

Hercules Rockefeller
05-18-2010, 02:47 PM
Weak as ****, but is anyone really surprised?

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=ap-iraq

BAGHDAD (AP)—An al-Qaida militant detained in Iraq on suspicion of plotting to attack the World Cup told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he wanted to target Danish and Dutch teams to avenge insults against the Prophet Muhammad.

epicSocialism4tw
05-18-2010, 04:17 PM
Weak as ****, but is anyone really surprised?

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=ap-iraq

BAGHDAD (AP)—An al-Qaida militant detained in Iraq on suspicion of plotting to attack the World Cup told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he wanted to target Danish and Dutch teams to avenge insults against the Prophet Muhammad.

I hope Obama stays home.

Its too dangerous for him to make an appearance. I just dont trust South Africa.

The Joker
05-18-2010, 04:36 PM
Since we don't really have a soccer thread I know of...

Came across this video and thought it was worth sharing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooxesOY-ERw

Still the best player of my lifetime. (I was too young to have seen Maradona at his best) Before his injury he was more or less unplayable.

DBruleU
05-18-2010, 09:21 PM
Since we don't really have a soccer thread I know of...

Came across this video and thought it was worth sharing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooxesOY-ERw

Still the best player of my lifetime. (I was too young to have seen Maradona at his best) Before his injury he was more or less unplayable.

Agreed.

Best pure goal scorer I have ever seen.

DHallblows
05-18-2010, 09:31 PM
He has scored some very nice goals.

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Ok, so what is he gonna do when he isn't facing defenses and goalies as piss poor as those in the Primera? Honestly he had one quality goal in that video where he scored off a free kick. The rest were wide open headers or breakaways (due to terrible D) that any forward in the MLS could finish.

To be fair I'm only picking on him because I know him so well. But still, I'm surprised he's there over Conor Casey. I hope he puts my foot in my mouth, but I doubt it

RonDaChamp24
05-18-2010, 10:29 PM
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0905/soccer-fans-life-time-day-sunday-woman-italian-style-cleavag-demotivational-poster-1241802808.jpg

atomicbloke
05-18-2010, 11:54 PM
Romario >> Ronaldo

SleepingTiger
05-19-2010, 12:19 AM
Agreed.

Best pure goal scorer I have ever seen.

messi is faster and better passer. though he is not as flashy, he gets the job done. the best pure scorer i think is marco van basten.

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The Joker
05-19-2010, 05:06 AM
Romario >> Ronaldo

That's not even up for debate, in all honesty.

Ronaldo was a vastly better player at his peak, and even when a horrible injury made him about 70% of the player he once was I'd still take him over Romario at his best.

messi is faster and better passer. though he is not as flashy, he gets the job done. the best pure scorer i think is marco van basten.

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Ronaldo scored more goals per game than Van Basten did, at his best he was averaging nearly a goal a game in Spain and Italy. Van Basten averaged nowhere near that, and that's just as a pure goalscorer.

Take into account their all-round games and it's not much of a contest.

Messi is the first player I've seen that can truly rival in him in terms of sheer greatness. However he still needs to find a way to better impose himself on games where Barca don't completely dominate. In the CL semi-final for instance he was very quiet, as he was over two legs against Chelsea the year before.

At the moment I do wonder if playing in such a dominant team as Barca are is making things easier for him. The World Cup will be a true test for him. Argentina won't demolish teams like Barca can, can Messi step up and drag them to glory like Ronaldo did with Brazil in '02 for example?

No way is Messi faster by the way, and he doesn't have the power or shooting ability that Ronaldo had either.

Dagmar
05-25-2010, 07:40 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/2v3ps1g.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/2i06pvm.gif

Mo Edu getting on the scoresheet tonight!

DHallblows
05-26-2010, 12:46 AM
Mo Edu getting on the scoresheet tonight!

Too bad that was the main highlight of the game for us. Not that I was expecting much more from our B team

Atwater His Ass
05-26-2010, 02:58 AM
As far as the US game goes, can't say I expected much with the lineup thrown out there. However what really scares me is guys like Rodgers, that have absolutely no business being near the final 23, having a good night and in effect stealing a spot away.

For ****s and giggles, my final 23 is:

GK: Howard, Hanneman, Guzan
FB: Bocanegra, Cherundolo, Spector, Pearce
DC: Oneywu, DeMerit, Marshall, Goodsen
M: Donovan, Bradley, Dempsey, Holden, Edu, Torres, Clark, Feilhaber, Beasley
ST: Altidore, Gomez, Ching

Starting XI:

GK: Howard
DL: Bocanegra
DR: Cherundolo
DC: Gooch, DeMeirt
ML: Beasley
MR: Holden
DMC: Bradley
AMC: Donovan
ST: Altidore, Dempsey

I despise having to pick Beasley and Ching for the final 23, but no one else has stepped up enough to override their experience.

I hate playing Donovan or Dempsey on the wings because the national team is inept at getting them good service so they just waste away on the wings all game. Donovan is the lynch pin of this team and deserves and NEEDS to step up as the playmaker. Dempsey should be given a more free role up front, almost a poacher role to just score goals. His talent is tremendous, but he hasn't been able to realize it on the US team for the same reason as Donovan; the rest of the team just can't keep him involved when he's isolated out on the wing.

If Bornstein makes the final 23 I'm gonna cut myself, let alone if he actually plays any minutes at the World Cup.

Holden has really brought me around with his performances and deserves to be starting imo.

I'm still upset that Adu wasn't at least included in the initial 30. He's exactly the kind of player the US could use in the middle of the pitch when he's in form and he can be a huge sparkplug coming off the bench. I think he's definately one of the 23 best players for the US and at the very least should have been able to get some experience at this World Cup.

Dagmar
05-26-2010, 11:15 AM
Official roster announcement in 5 minutes.

Chris
05-26-2010, 11:39 AM
http://www.posters.ws/images/821433/england_football_three_lions_team_logo.jpg

ludo21
05-26-2010, 11:59 AM
Nothing too shocking imo. I think our Mid's are better than people think which I think will let Dempsey be able to start at Forward instead of moving up there mid way.

Beat England!!!

Dagmar
05-26-2010, 12:08 PM
http://www.posters.ws/images/821433/england_football_three_lions_team_logo.jpg

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Baba Booey
05-26-2010, 12:34 PM
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-7223899490465_2108_10848556033

eddie mac
05-26-2010, 12:52 PM
As long as you dont play Spector at left back the USA have a shot. He singlehandedly cost West Ham at least 8 points this season and was one of the many lowlights in a diabolical year which nearly resulted in our relegation from the Premiership.

Albeit Zola needs psychological help for playing him there in the first place.

epicSocialism4tw
05-26-2010, 01:06 PM
USA 23:

GK: Howard, Hahnemann, Guzan
D: Boca, Gooch, Dolo, Spector, DeMerit, Goodson, Bornstein
M: Donovan, Dempsey, Bradley, Holden, Clark, Feilhaber, Edu, Beasley, Torres
F: Altidore, Buddle, Gomez, Findley

Starting 11:
GK: Howard
LB: Bocanegra
CB: DeMerit
CB: Onyewu (Goodson if Gooch isnt ready)
RB: Spector/Cherundolo
LM: Donovan
CM: Bradley
CDM: Clark
RM: Dempsey
F: Altidore
F: Buddle

DHallblows
05-26-2010, 01:17 PM
Our Forward list makes me want to die inside.

Goodson looked like crap last night. Of course Gooch was timid when it came to jumping for the ball. Actually that entire game just showed me that we have no depth whatsoever at D. Just pray Gooch can play and Steve starts over Spector.
Otherwise we're gonna be depending on THOSE Forwards to score 3 goals a game for us :sickortir

gyldenlove
05-26-2010, 01:20 PM
Feilhaber has played like **** this spring, you guys better hope he gets a serious helping of booster juice or stays far away from the playing field.

epicSocialism4tw
05-26-2010, 01:28 PM
Our Forward list makes me want to die inside.

Goodson looked like crap last night. Of course Gooch was timid when it came to jumping for the ball. Actually that entire game just showed me that we have no depth whatsoever at D. Just pray Gooch can play and Steve starts over Spector.
Otherwise we're gonna be depending on THOSE Forwards to score 3 goals a game for us

Our system uses forwards to set play up for midfielders to score, which makes sense given that our midfielders are the strength of the squad.

I thought that Buddle looked pretty good yesterday. Goodson as well.

Goodson has become extremely strong in the air. He just needs a bit more experience and confidence. He has become a very good player. He has been dangerous on set pieces in every game he has played in. I would expect him to move to a bigger club after the World Cup.

Atwater His Ass
05-26-2010, 04:10 PM
As long as you dont play Spector at left back the USA have a shot. He singlehandedly cost West Ham at least 8 points this season and was one of the many lowlights in a diabolical year which nearly resulted in our relegation from the Premiership.

Albeit Zola needs psychological help for playing him there in the first place.

Bocanegra is the best DL the US has. He needs to play there as it's a huge talent drop off after him. With the emergence of DeMerit and Goodsen, the US can afford to put Bocanegra back at his natural DL position.

That said, Spector is the next best option.

I still cannot believe Bornstein made the cut. Pearce should have been selected over him. How many bad performances in a row does a guy have to have in order to get cut? He must be pheonmanl in training.

DHallblows
05-26-2010, 04:11 PM
Our system uses forwards to set play up for midfielders to score, which makes sense given that our midfielders are the strength of the squad.

I thought that Buddle looked pretty good yesterday. Goodson as well.

Goodson has become extremely strong in the air. He just needs a bit more experience and confidence. He has become a very good player. He has been dangerous on set pieces in every game he has played in. I would expect him to move to a bigger club after the World Cup.

I know and agree about setup for midfielders, I just wanted to b**** :)

Buddle looked strong yesterday, I completely agree. But as did Beasley and I don't see him starting over Bradley. I think a lot of Buddle looking good was due to that fact we're comparing him against Ching and Gomez AND this was against the Czech's Defense. I don't see him doing that against England in any fashion. But I'll agree he's probably our best #2 forward option currently

I just remember Goodson standing there on...I think...the second goal, not even putting his foot out. But like you said it could just be lack of confidence.

Atwater His Ass
05-26-2010, 04:11 PM
Our Forward list makes me want to die inside.

Goodson looked like crap last night. Of course Gooch was timid when it came to jumping for the ball. Actually that entire game just showed me that we have no depth whatsoever at D. Just pray Gooch can play and Steve starts over Spector.
Otherwise we're gonna be depending on THOSE Forwards to score 3 goals a game for us :sickortir

I disagree about the D. The US is actually pretty deep at all defensive positions, minus left back.

Now the overall quality of the players isn't all that high. But that's a different issue.

DHallblows
05-26-2010, 04:15 PM
I disagree about the D. The US is actually pretty deep at all defensive positions, minus left back.

Now the overall quality of the players isn't all that high. But that's a different issue.

You don't agree there's a large talent drop off after Bocanegra, Gooch and Cherundolo?

Atwater His Ass
05-26-2010, 04:15 PM
I know and agree about setup for midfielders, I just wanted to b**** :)

Buddle looked strong yesterday, I completely agree. But as did Beasley and I don't see him starting over Bradley. I think a lot of Buddle looking good was due to that fact we're comparing him against Ching and Gomez AND this was against the Czech's Defense. I don't see him doing that against England in any fashion.

I just remember Goodson standing there on...I think...the second goal, not even putting his foot out. But like you said it could just be lack of confidence.

Beasley and Bradley aren't competeing for the same positions. If Donovan plays a more central position, Beasley will probably start on the left wing.

The question will be if Bob Bradley plays with 2 DMC's or 1. Bradley jr. has the 1 DMC spot locked down and it will be between Clark or Edu to grab the other if Bob goes that route.

Personally, I'd like to see Donovan in a central attacking role with Dempsey and Altidore up top. Let Bradley be the lone DMC, and put Holden and Beasley out on the wings.

Atwater His Ass
05-26-2010, 04:18 PM
You don't agree there's a large talent drop off after Bocanegra, Gooch and Cherundolo?

I think those guys are clearly the best. But they aren't world class players and the drop off isn't as extreme as some suggest.

I like both Pearce and Spector. I would be comfortable with Goodsen playing and perhaps even Marshall. Granted two of those four didn't even make the final 23, but I've never been a fan of Bob and I don't think he's picked the strongest squad the US could have.

Bornstein is the only guy that I have absolutely zero confidence in. It's a crime he's taking a spot from another player.

DHallblows
05-26-2010, 04:24 PM
Beasley and Bradley aren't competeing for the same positions. If Donovan plays a more central position, Beasley will probably start on the left wing.

The question will be if Bob Bradley plays with 2 DMC's or 1. Bradley jr. has the 1 DMC spot locked down and it will be between Clark or Edu to grab the other if Bob goes that route.

Personally, I'd like to see Donovan in a central attacking role with Dempsey and Altidore up top. Let Bradley be the lone DMC, and put Holden and Beasley out on the wings.

I know, just making a point. I don't like Bradley.

And I agree with everything else.

epicSocialism4tw
05-26-2010, 04:24 PM
Beasley and Bradley aren't competeing for the same positions. If Donovan plays a more central position, Beasley will probably start on the left wing.

The question will be if Bob Bradley plays with 2 DMC's or 1. Bradley jr. has the 1 DMC spot locked down and it will be between Clark or Edu to grab the other if Bob goes that route.

Personally, I'd like to see Donovan in a central attacking role with Dempsey and Altidore up top. Let Bradley be the lone DMC, and put Holden and Beasley out on the wings.

Donovan is best on the wings.

I would like to see what Holden has to offer centrally. He played there for Bolton and did very well. He puts in the effort defensively as well as distributing well and providing a threat from beyond the 18. Bradley/Holden would be fun to watch.

Atwater His Ass
05-26-2010, 04:26 PM
Can't wait for the Turkey game. Should start to answer a lot of these questions.

Just hope we don't end up seeing something like having to put Beasley at left back, or Edu at DC during the cup.

I'm also praying that Bob doesn't put Dempsey and Donovan out on the wings and leave them isolated and detatched from the game. Those guys are the catalyst for this team and need to be on the ball as much as possible.

Atwater His Ass
05-26-2010, 04:30 PM
Donovan is best on the wings.

I would like to see what Holden has to offer centrally. He played there for Bolton and did very well. He puts in the effort defensively as well as distributing well and providing a threat from beyond the 18. Bradley/Holden would be fun to watch.

Donovan is excellent on the wing if he can get service. However, the US team has been historically terrible at being able to feed him.

I'd rather have a "less" effective Donovan in the center of the park, making plays, then wondering around alone on the wing.

Just look at the match against the Czechs. Holden and Beasley made little to no impact because Torres and Edu coudln't get them the ball. Cherundolo is also excellent at overlapping runs from the back, but he didn't make one forward run last night.

I agree that it is intriguing to see what Holden could do in a central role. His workrate is off the charts and he has decent ball skills. I know I keep repeating myself, but I cannot stand to watch another cup where our best players aren't touching the ball enough.

epicSocialism4tw
05-26-2010, 04:35 PM
Donovan is excellent on the wing if he can get service. However, the US team has been historically terrible at being able to feed him.

I'd rather have a "less" effective Donovan in the center of the park, making plays, then wondering around alone on the wing.

Just look at the match against the Czechs. Holden and Beasley made little to no impact because Torres and Edu coudln't get them the ball. Cherundolo is also excellent at overlapping runs from the back, but he didn't make one forward run last night.

I agree that it is intriguing to see what Holden could do in a central role. His workrate is off the charts and he has decent ball skills. I know I keep repeating myself, but I cannot stand to watch another cup where our best players aren't touching the ball enough.

I have this feeling that Holden will be a star for the US in this cup similar to the way Dempsey was in 2006. Holden's manager at Bolton is already talking about how big of a role they have planned for him over the next couple of years and how much the team and fans already love him. Holden has a bright future.

Atwater His Ass
05-26-2010, 04:41 PM
I'm really stoked on Holden as well. It took me a little while to come around on him, but his relentless workrate and approach to the game really sold me. I also think his game has improved tremendously over the past 2 years.

The moment that sold me on him was against Haiti in the Gold Cup where he smoked that 35 yarder for a goal in injury time after an excellent performance during the rest of the match.

Atwater His Ass
05-27-2010, 03:51 PM
Michael Essien will not play in the World Cup for Ghana. Apparantly cannot recover from his knee injury in time. Huge blow for them.

Dagmar
05-27-2010, 04:10 PM
http://i49.tinypic.com/2k0ig.jpg

I love Mo.

http://c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000fDnhN7hkkJE/s/650

DHallblows
05-29-2010, 12:35 PM
So far, Spector not helping us as predicted by eddie mac. One of our overrated CM need to come back and cover for him, though. Of course if Spector didn't over dribble we could have had a chance of our own with that not even happening.

Atwater His Ass
05-29-2010, 05:45 PM
So far, Spector not helping us as predicted by eddie mac. One of our overrated CM need to come back and cover for him, though. Of course if Spector didn't over dribble we could have had a chance of our own with that not even happening.

Too easy to blame Spector there. He made a good effort to slice into the 18. Defense was shaky all game. It was pretty telling that Spector was the first man back on that break.

What a 2nd half though. Findley provided an imediate spark. Torres took about 15 mins to get into the game, but ended up working very well with Bradley and made a lot of important tackles and passes.

Nice to see Cherundolo working the wing again. He didn't make a single run in the Czech game, so good to see him putting great service in from out wide. He clearly should be the starter on the right side.

Bornstein burned twice again. That guy should not see a single minute of game time at the cup. He's horrible.

Also really impressed by Bradley. He had a solid game.

Defense just looking too vunerable on the break and continued to lose their marks when Turkey was building attacks. If I was England, I'd play a counter attacking game with the blazing speed they can put out in the midfield. This team really needs Gooch to be 100% to anchor the back.

DHallblows
05-29-2010, 06:32 PM
Too easy to blame Spector there. He made a good effort to slice into the 18. Defense was shaky all game. It was pretty telling that Spector was the first man back on that break.


Completely agree, I said our central midfield needed to get back and help there. But as you said earlier our D was a bit shaky, worried me a bit.

And Findley provided a spark, but his inexperience is worrying. Several instances of not seeing the entire field and knowing when to pass. I know I've been ragging on him, but Herculez is at least a little older and wiser in regards to that. But I'm excited for what Robbie will be able to bring to us 4 years from now, that's for sure :thumbsup:

DenverBrit
05-29-2010, 06:57 PM
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

http://www.4marks.com/galleries/articles/s225/2982.jpg

Atwater His Ass
05-29-2010, 07:37 PM
Completely agree, I said our central midfield needed to get back and help there. But as you said earlier our D was a bit shaky, worried me a bit.

And Findley provided a spark, but his inexperience is worrying. Several instances of not seeing the entire field and knowing when to pass. I know I've been ragging on him, but Herculez is at least a little older and wiser in regards to that. But I'm excited for what Robbie will be able to bring to us 4 years from now, that's for sure :thumbsup:

Findley made some good plays, most obvious the touch and composure he showed in feeding Donovan in the buildup for the first goal. He also showed great confidence in taking on the Turkish defenders and looked genuinely dangerous as he was able to spread them out to create space for both Dempsey and Donovan. I agree that he missed a few passes, but I somewhat chalk that up too his inexperience at this level as well, but he has a great asset with his relationship with Donovan.

I'm with you in that if I had to choose between Gomez and Findley to pair with Altidore, it's Gomez. Findley's role will be to provide the spark off the bench like he did today. He showed great touch and technical skill on the ball today. Couple that with his speed, and he can be very dangerous coming off the bench and running at a tired defense. Imagine having an in form Charlie Davies, Altidore, Donovan, and Dempsey.

I'm just really worried about the defense and its lack of organization today. Not something you want going into a World Cup. England can put blazing speed out on the pitch and if we are not organized, it will get ugly quickly. The lack of marking was also concerning, exlempified by Clark, who I thought had a pretty bad game. I don't like the 2 DMC rage that is taking hold on world football currently. The US is a much more dangerous team with the classic attacking and defending central pairing.

Although in reality, as long as the US doesn't get blown out (for morale reasons), the England game isn't that important. The pressure will be squarely on England to win and the pressure in that first game, against the US, will be absolutely crushing for them. The US should be able to beat both Slovenia and Algeria to qualify out of the group. And if they can't, they don't deserve to advance anyway. Getting a result against England is just a bonus in my book.

And in fact, coming in 2nd might be better anyway, since on the off-chance the US actually makes a run, they would avoid a Brazil team that is likely to dominate its group until the final. Although we'd then most likely face a tough Germany team and get through an Argentine team that I think will be much better than people think. Yeah, lol, I know, but a guy can hope.

Although I think best case, and also satisfiying, would be to win the group, beat the 2nd placed Group D team (which I think would be Serbia), and setup a potential quarter final match with Mexico, in which we crush them before bowing out in the sem's against Brazil. LET THE DREAMS BEGIN.:strong:

epicSocialism4tw
05-29-2010, 10:26 PM
The Yanks leave for South Africa tomorrow.

World Cup 2010 is at hand.

JPEZ
05-29-2010, 11:41 PM
Go Portugal!!

PRBronco
06-02-2010, 02:06 PM
Balls, I just got Algeria and Japan in my office World Cup pool. Give it to me straight, soccer afficionados: I'm not going to see my money again, am I?

Dagmar
06-02-2010, 02:08 PM
Balls, I just got Algeria and Japan in my office World Cup pool. Give it to me straight, soccer afficionados: I'm not going to see my money again, am I?

Absolutely NO chance, sorry bro.

PRBronco
06-02-2010, 02:11 PM
Absolutely NO chance, sorry bro.

/fist shake at sky

epicSocialism4tw
06-02-2010, 02:14 PM
Balls, I just got Algeria and Japan in my office World Cup pool. Give it to me straight, soccer afficionados: I'm not going to see my money again, am I?

Japan has a very small chance of getting out of their group. By very small I mean "nano" small. Japan scored three goals against England the other day...unfortunately two of those goals they scored on themselves. ;D

Algeria has a smaller chance than Japan. I think that they are better than people give them credit for, but thats not saying alot considering that most pundits think that they are in the bottom few teams of the tournament.

Jens1893
06-02-2010, 02:19 PM
Balls, I just got Algeria and Japan in my office World Cup pool. Give it to me straight, soccer afficionados: I'm not going to see my money again, am I?

Well, the Japanese coach has guaranteed a semi final berth and Algeria beat which in my opinion is the best African team at the African Cup of Nations in February. So you never know.

Spent 5 days in Vancouver earlier this month, btw. Wonderful place. Would have liked to put Stanley Park in my bag and took it back home.

Atwater His Ass
06-02-2010, 05:09 PM
Japan would be fortunate to make it out of their group. I live in Japan, and most fans over here are unhappy, to say the least with his ability and it's entertaining to see him ripped up in the local media almost daily. He's only promising semi's to keep the dogs at bay. He'll be gone after the World Cup.

Algeria will get that "home" advantage/boost, but I don't see them getting out of their group either, unless the US completely collapses.

eddie mac
06-03-2010, 02:44 AM
I got Spain in my office pool. They all shouted FIX.

Dagmar
06-04-2010, 08:59 AM
Rio Ferdinand, England's captain is out of the World Cup. Michael Dawson has been called up as a replacement.

epicSocialism4tw
06-07-2010, 06:32 PM
4 days until the start of the world cup. 5 days until US/England.

epicSocialism4tw
06-07-2010, 07:20 PM
My picks:

A
France
South Africa

B
Nigeria
Argentina

C
England
United States

D
Serbia
Germany

E
Netherlands
Cameroon

F
Italy
Paraguay

G
Brazil
Portugal

H
Spain
Chile



Quarterfinals:
France
England
Cameroon
Brazil
Spain
Italy
Germany
Argentina



World Champion:
Brazil

Dagmar
06-07-2010, 07:36 PM
My picks:

A
France
South Africa

B
Nigeria
Argentina

C
England
United States

D
Serbia
Germany

E
Netherlands
Cameroon

F
Italy
Paraguay

G
Brazil
Portugal

H
Spain
Chile


I agree except the 1st group. I think the other 2 teams will get through to be honest. I would have said the Ivory Coast not Portugal but with no Drogba...

RonDaChamp24
06-07-2010, 08:40 PM
I can't wait for the World Cup. Hoping Italy pulls it off again. Will be tough though. Hope the USA has a good showing as well. Would love for them go get past the round of 16 at least.

gyldenlove
06-07-2010, 08:59 PM
My picks:


A) South Africa and Uruguay
B) Argentina and Greece
C) England and USA
D) Germany and Ghana
E) Holland and Denmark
F) Italy and Slovakia
G) Brazil and Portugal
H) Spain and Chile

Qs: Argentina, Greece, England, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Brazil, Spain

Semis: Argentina, Germany, Brazil, Holland

Final: Germany, Argentina

Winner: Argentina

Dagmar
06-07-2010, 09:14 PM
Argentina have ridiculous levels of talent and a woeful manager.

Kid A
06-07-2010, 09:32 PM
I'll go Argentina - Dutch final, with the Orange taking it.

epicSocialism4tw
06-07-2010, 09:35 PM
My picks:


A) South Africa and Uruguay
B) Argentina and Greece
C) England and USA
D) Germany and Ghana
E) Holland and Denmark
F) Italy and Slovakia
G) Brazil and Portugal
H) Spain and Chile

Qs: Argentina, Greece, England, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Brazil, Spain

Semis: Argentina, Germany, Brazil, Holland

Final: Germany, Argentina

Winner: Argentina

You chose alot of European representation through the quarters. Euro teams traditionally do not fare well in tournaments away from Europe. Why do you think that European teams will fare so much differently this time, and that not a single African team will make even the quarterfinals?

Jens1893
06-08-2010, 01:01 AM
My picks:


A) South Africa and Uruguay
B) Argentina and Greece
C) England and USA
D) Germany and Ghana
E) Holland and Denmark
F) Italy and Slovakia
G) Brazil and Portugal
H) Spain and Chile

Qs: Argentina, Greece, England, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Brazil, Spain

Semis: Argentina, Germany, Brazil, Holland

Final: Germany, Argentina

Winner: Argentina

If Argentina and Germany both win their groups they will meet in the QFs. So will Holland and Brazil.

Jens1893
06-08-2010, 01:15 AM
You chose alot of European representation through the quarters. Euro teams traditionally do not fare well in tournaments away from Europe. Why do you think that European teams will fare so much differently this time, and that not a single African team will make even the quarterfinals?

See, I donīt know how you define "traditionally do not fare well off European soil", but the numbers donīt particularly support that statement any way you slice it. Unless of course having at least 50% of the teams in any stage of the tournament after the group stages is a poor showing.

Number of European teams in the QFs and SFs since the introduction of the quarter finals in 1986

1986 QF 6/8 SF 3/4
1994 QF 7/8 SF 3/4
2002 QF 4/8 SF 2/4

gyldenlove
06-08-2010, 10:19 AM
If Argentina and Germany both win their groups they will meet in the QFs. So will Holland and Brazil.

Damnit, I don't know why, but I had Argentina playing England in the Qs and the reason for Holland is that I don't think they will win the group. That means England will make it instead of Germany to the Qs and Brazil and Argentina in the final.

colonelbeef
06-08-2010, 11:17 AM
All I hope is that the USA beast the UK on saturday so that I can win my bets and absolutely rub it into my brit friends' faces

Dagmar
06-08-2010, 11:17 AM
All I hope is that the USA beast the UK on saturday so that I can win my bets and absolutely rub it into my brit friends' faces

There is no such team as "the UK".

epicSocialism4tw
06-08-2010, 01:14 PM
See, I donīt know how you define "traditionally do not fare well off European soil", but the numbers donīt particularly support that statement any way you slice it. Unless of course having at least 50% of the teams in any stage of the tournament after the group stages is a poor showing.

Number of European teams in the QFs and SFs since the introduction of the quarter finals in 1986

1986 QF 6/8 SF 3/4
1994 QF 7/8 SF 3/4
2002 QF 4/8 SF 2/4

It helps when you have almost half of the field and most of the seeds. If Mexico persay were playing against another good country and a couple of also-rans, they would feature through the quarterfinals as well. The tournament is designed to favor European teams. The tournament returns to Europe every cycle or two because it benefits FIFA to have European teams do well in later rounds.

Your Germans shouldnt have made it past the quarters in 2002, but for an egregious officiating "mistake".

Now that America is a prime destination for the World Cup, I would expect the US to start getting some breaks as well. Mexico too.

Jens1893
06-08-2010, 01:23 PM
It still in no way supports your statement that European teams tend to not fare well off European soil.

In fact, Germany in 2002 shouldnīt have made it past the group stages as the team was extremely poor, but thatīs another matter entirely.

gyldenlove
06-08-2010, 01:27 PM
It helps when you have almost half of the field and most of the seeds. If Mexico persay were playing against another good country and a couple of also-rans, they would feature through the quarterfinals as well. The tournament is designed to favor European teams. The tournament returns to Europe every cycle or two because it benefits FIFA to have European teams do well in later rounds.

Your Germans shouldnt have made it past the quarters in 2002, but for an egregious officiating "mistake".

Now that America is a prime destination for the World Cup, I would expect the US to start getting some breaks as well. Mexico too.

On the other hand Italy got cheated out of the Quarters by several blatant officiating "errors" against South Korea in what looked suspeciously like the 1988 Seoul boxing olympic tournament. Funny how South Korea always does so well at home almost without bribing people.

gyldenlove
06-08-2010, 01:41 PM
It helps when you have almost half of the field and most of the seeds. If Mexico persay were playing against another good country and a couple of also-rans, they would feature through the quarterfinals as well. The tournament is designed to favor European teams. The tournament returns to Europe every cycle or two because it benefits FIFA to have European teams do well in later rounds.

Your Germans shouldnt have made it past the quarters in 2002, but for an egregious officiating "mistake".

Now that America is a prime destination for the World Cup, I would expect the US to start getting some breaks as well. Mexico too.

The reason the tournament returns to Europe so often is because about 80% of the worlds soccer revenue is generated in Europe and most of the worlds top teams are in Europe (8 of the top 10, 15 of top 25, 27 of top 50).

In the world right now these are countries who have the facilities or the means to easily construct the facilities to hos the world cup: US, Brazil, South Africa (barely), Germany, England, Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Russia. Mexico, Argentina, Greece, Turkey, Australia and Holland could probably all upgrade existing facilities and build new ones to suffice. Japan couldn't do it alone and had to drag South Korea along.

Of the 36 possible finalist teams, Europe has 23 (8 different countries), South America (Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay) has 13 and no other continent has any.

epicSocialism4tw
06-08-2010, 01:47 PM
The reason the tournament returns to Europe so often is because about 80% of the worlds soccer revenue is generated in Europe and most of the worlds top teams are in Europe (8 of the top 10, 15 of top 25, 27 of top 50).

In the world right now these are countries who have the facilities or the means to easily construct the facilities to hos the world cup: US, Brazil, South Africa (barely), Germany, England, Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Russia. Mexico, Argentina, Greece, Turkey, Australia and Holland could probably all upgrade existing facilities and build new ones to suffice. Japan couldn't do it alone and had to drag South Korea along.

Of the 36 possible finalist teams, Europe has 23 (8 different countries), South America (Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay) has 13 and no other continent has any.

Thanks for adding to my point. FIFA does good business in Europe. What theyll find out soon is that business is better in the States.

SoCalBronco
06-08-2010, 04:36 PM
There is no such team as "the UK".

Britain...Scotland...Ireland...its all the same. Whatever.















;D

Dagmar
06-08-2010, 04:39 PM
Britain...Scotland...Ireland...its all the same. Whatever.














;D

Grrrrrr! :P


Guys this interactive calender is all you need for the games.

http://www.marca.com/deporte/futbol/mundial/sudafrica-2010/calendario-english.html

DHallblows
06-08-2010, 07:10 PM
Grrrrrr! :P


Guys this interactive calender is all you need for the games.

http://www.marca.com/deporte/futbol/mundial/sudafrica-2010/calendario-english.html

It's like a birth control wheel...couldn't find Scotland on it though ;D

SleepingTiger
06-09-2010, 08:11 AM
I'll go Argentina - Dutch final, with the Orange taking it.

As a huge fan of oranje, the team if loaded with talent. unfortunately, that will get them to the semis and out. I do however see a slight glimmer of hope for them. With Sneider blooming under Morinho and Van der Vaart being in form with real madrid, they will be key focus for oranje.

I also see this with spain. I think they got the more talent than any other nation. At any position, they are better. Casillas, Puyol, Arbeloa, Picque, Ramos, Xavi, Xabi, Iniesta, Cesc, Torres, Villa. I hope its Spain and Netherlands in the finals so atleast one of them will win it.

epicSocialism4tw
06-10-2010, 11:26 PM
T-minus 8 hours before the greatest sporting event on the planet.

Dagmar
06-10-2010, 11:38 PM
T-minus 8 hours before the greatest sporting event on the planet.


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epicSocialism4tw
06-10-2010, 11:53 PM
Bafana! Bafana!

South Africa 2
Mexico 2

France 1
Uruguay 0

Dagmar
06-10-2010, 11:53 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/10290830.stm

Mandela's 13 year old great-granddaughter killed in car crash on way home from World Cup opening ceremony concert. http://forum.football365.com/images/smiley_icons/icon_sad.gif

Kid A
06-10-2010, 11:55 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/10290830.stm

Mandela's 13 year old great-granddaughter killed in car crash on way home from World Cup opening ceremony concert. http://forum.football365.com/images/smiley_icons/icon_sad.gif

Wow, that's awful. Kind of like the luge tragedy right before Vancouver put a slight damper on the opening celebration.

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 12:18 AM
Some standout players this cup:

Malouda
Pienaar
Dempsey
Crouch
Van Persie
Schmidtskagel
Xavi
David Villa
Kaag
Gaak
Lampard

dumpy
06-11-2010, 07:21 AM
Some standout players this cup:

Malouda
Pienaar
Dempsey
Crouch
Van Persie
Schmidtskagel
Xavi
David Villa
Kaag
Gaak
Lampard

and also the ugliest man on earth in Franck Ribery.

Beantown Bronco
06-11-2010, 07:26 AM
T-minus 8 hours before the greatest sporting event on the planet.

Weird. It feels a little warm outside to be early February.

Dagmar
06-11-2010, 07:42 AM
Weird. It feels a little warm outside to be early February.

The planet exists outside of America. You guys need reminding of that sometimes!

DBruleU
06-11-2010, 07:58 AM
Weird. It feels a little warm outside to be early February.

I think the WC, any match during the WC, draws far more people from around the world watching than the SB does. The NFL has done a good job making everyone think the SB is the biggest sporting event on the plant. I laugh at their ignorance.

DHallblows
06-11-2010, 07:58 AM
and also the ugliest man on earth in Franck Ribery.

No, no, he mentioned Peter Crouch in his list ROFL!

Beantown Bronco
06-11-2010, 09:09 AM
I think the WC, any match during the WC, draws far more people from around the world watching than the SB does. The NFL has done a good job making everyone think the SB is the biggest sporting event on the plant. I laugh at their ignorance.

Sorry, but the quote above was "greatest" sporting event....not "most watched" sporting event.....which, by the way, the World Cup can't even claim. There's a little thing called the Olympics that kills it there too.

baja
06-11-2010, 09:13 AM
Viva Mexico

SonOfLe-loLang
06-11-2010, 09:14 AM
While im not a huge soccer fan, im always drawn in by the World Cup because its the one true tournament the entire world embraces. And from what I understand, the World Cup is the most important tournament to even the pros (though i could be wrong). It really is the ultimate tournament

baja
06-11-2010, 09:16 AM
There is not one car on the streets here right now

gyldenlove
06-11-2010, 09:19 AM
There is not one car on the streets here right now

If this score lasts there will be cars and tears in the streets very soon.

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 09:19 AM
Goal South Africa!

What a strike by Tshabalala...top corner far post on the break.

1-0 to the home nation.

Beantown Bronco
06-11-2010, 09:19 AM
There is not one car on the streets here right now

Probably all stolen. You are in Mexico you know. :wiggle:

baja
06-11-2010, 09:23 AM
Probably all stolen. You are in Mexico you know. :wiggle:

Ha

If you live in S. Cal. and had a car stolen you would likely find it here.

There was a time when you could buy a near new car for $2,000 but no title but they have cracked down on that.

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 09:28 AM
First goal of the South African World Cup couldnt have been better. Siphiwe Tshabalala of Kaiser Chiefs ripped the top corner.

http://worldcup.mtnfootball.com/content/Siphiwe-Tshabalala280.jpg

baja
06-11-2010, 09:31 AM
First goal of the South African World Cup couldnt have been better. Siphiwe Tshabalala of Kaiser Chiefs ripped the top corner.

http://worldcup.mtnfootball.com/content/Siphiwe-Tshabalala280.jpg


It was an awesome goal almost indefensible .

baja
06-11-2010, 09:32 AM
I hope Mexico wins life around here will be miserable if they lose to SA

The Joker
06-11-2010, 09:32 AM
Nice through ball and an absolutely world class finish.

Great stuff from South Africa so far, though I have money on a draw...

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 09:34 AM
South Africa are now having the run of play and have missed two very good chances in front of the goal.

Mexico have subbed an invisible Vela (Arsenal) for old, fat, slow #10 Cuauhtemoc Blanco.

baja
06-11-2010, 09:34 AM
Why is SA wearing Mexico's colors is w3hat I want to know. ;D

baja
06-11-2010, 09:38 AM
Mexico is lucky the score is not 3 to zip.

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 09:38 AM
Mexico have subbed off an ineffective Franco (former West Ham player) for Chicharito Hernandez (new Man U player).

baja
06-11-2010, 09:39 AM
Sounds like they have really big mosquitos in SA.

baja
06-11-2010, 09:40 AM
It would be a really good time to rob a bank here.

AlienBronco
06-11-2010, 09:41 AM
Gooooooooool

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 09:41 AM
Guardado immediately impacts the game on his entry...delivers an assist to a wide-open Marquez who hits home a sitter from the 6-yard box.

baja
06-11-2010, 09:41 AM
viva mexico

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 09:44 AM
Mexico looks to be the more fit team. South Africa are not chasing with the same vigor as the Mexicans.

baja
06-11-2010, 09:45 AM
mexico looks to be the more fit team. South africa are not chasing with the same vigor as the mexicans.

we have better beans

The Joker
06-11-2010, 09:48 AM
Is it me or are these horns getting louder as the game nears the end?

No more goals please.

McDman
06-11-2010, 09:48 AM
I like Martin Tyler and all, but he is an absolutely somber announcer. He doesn't get excited in any way on goal chances. That was a historic goal for SA and we don't even hear his voice get louder.

I pray he doesn't do the US game.

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 09:53 AM
South Africa just knocked the game winner off the post!

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 09:55 AM
Final

South Africa 1
Mexico 1

DBruleU
06-11-2010, 10:35 AM
I like Martin Tyler and all, but he is an absolutely somber announcer. He doesn't get excited in any way on goal chances. That was a historic goal for SA and we don't even hear his voice get louder.

I pray he doesn't do the US game.

He gets excited in FIFA when I score.

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 10:42 AM
I like Martin Tyler and all, but he is an absolutely somber announcer. He doesn't get excited in any way on goal chances. That was a historic goal for SA and we don't even hear his voice get louder.

I pray he doesn't do the US game.

I think it caught him off-guard. That was a really impressive goal and it kind of materialized out of thin air. At least one of the two announcers should be a little more animated though, I agree on that. Its too bad Andres Cantor speak-a-de-espanish.

DBruleU
06-11-2010, 11:00 AM
As long as Julie Foudy is far away from the studio I'm happy with ESPN's coverage.

Beantown Bronco
06-11-2010, 11:11 AM
I like Martin Tyler and all, but he is an absolutely somber announcer. He doesn't get excited in any way on goal chances. That was a historic goal for SA and we don't even hear his voice get louder.

I pray he doesn't do the US game.

The World Cup should've hired Gus Johnson.

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epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 12:58 PM
Uruguay 0
France 0

Through 24 minutes.

France looks to be the more dangerous team. Govou missed a sitter given by Ribery. Georcuff almost put a free kick into the near post upper 90. Anelka looks terrible...keeps giving the ball away and making poor choices. France's outside backs add so much to the team.

Uruguay can make things happen quickly though. Forlan had a shot on goal, and theyve been threatening counterattack pretty consistenly.

Good game so far.

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 01:22 PM
Halftime

France 0
Uruguay 0

If France doesnt score by minute 60, expect to see Henry replace Anelka.

Dagmar
06-11-2010, 01:32 PM
I have a question, where in Denver would be a great place to watch the match tomorrow??

Anyone?

Dagmar
06-11-2010, 01:33 PM
Uruguay 0
France 0

Through 24 minutes.

France looks to be the more dangerous team. Govou missed a sitter given by Ribery. Georcuff almost put a free kick into the near post upper 90. Anelka looks terrible...keeps giving the ball away and making poor choices. France's outside backs add so much to the team.

Uruguay can make things happen quickly though. Forlan had a shot on goal, and theyve been threatening counterattack pretty consistenly.

Good game so far.

Forlan looks like he could turn this game in a second. As long as they keep defending well. They need Henry out there.

Dagmar
06-11-2010, 01:34 PM
Not having Malouda or Henry out there is so ridiculous.

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 02:01 PM
Forlan just dogged a chance.

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 02:24 PM
Final

France 0
Uruguay 0

Uruguay bunkered in when their player got red-carded with about 10 minutes left in the game.

Group A -
S. Africa 1
Mexico 1
France 1
Uruguay 1

epicSocialism4tw
06-11-2010, 02:25 PM
For the first two games the officiating has been about as good as you can expect. Lets hope that the trend continues.

gyldenlove
06-11-2010, 02:28 PM
That group is not scaring anyone right now.

bfoflcommish
06-11-2010, 02:41 PM
I have a question, where in Denver would be a great place to watch the match tomorrow??

Anyone?

http://www.britishbulldogdenver.com/

MagicHef
06-11-2010, 02:48 PM
I have a question, where in Denver would be a great place to watch the match tomorrow??

Anyone?

http://www.gbfishandchips.com/

Dagmar
06-11-2010, 03:06 PM
http://www.gbfishandchips.com/

Hmmm, that has the English badge on their homepage. I'd be murdered!

Dagmar
06-11-2010, 03:07 PM
That group is not scaring anyone right now.

France ALWAYS start slow.

Jens1893
06-11-2010, 04:25 PM
I like Martin Tyler and all, but he is an absolutely somber announcer. He doesn't get excited in any way on goal chances. That was a historic goal for SA and we don't even hear his voice get louder.

I pray he doesn't do the US game.

If you want a shouting contest, listen to your US commentators. Tyler is one of the best in the business.

Dagmar
06-11-2010, 04:28 PM
If you want a shouting contest, listen to your US commentators. Tyler is one of the best in the business.

Agreed. :thumbsup:

gyldenlove
06-11-2010, 05:37 PM
France ALWAYS start slow.

Except when they win, in 98 they won 3-0 in the opener and 4-0 in the 2nd game, not a slow start. in Uefa 2000 they won 3-0 in the opener and 2-1 in the 2nd game. In Uefa 1984 they won 1-0 and 5-0 in their first and second games, those are the only big tournaments they have ever won.

If history is a teacher this means France won't be close to winning this year.

McDman
06-11-2010, 07:30 PM
If you want a shouting contest, listen to your US commentators. Tyler is one of the best in the business.

I don't want a shouting contest, I just want someone to show an inkling of emotion when someone scores or even comes close to scoring. On both goals and multiple opportunities there was zero change in his voice. It was hard to get excited about goals when the commentator sounds so mundane.

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 11:17 AM
S. Korea 2
Greece 0

South Korea looked very good. Crisp, disciplined, and now with a little flair to their game. I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see these guys win their group. Greece were plodding, slow, and unskilled. Theyre out.

Argentina 1
Nigeria 0

This is one of those frustrating games. Nigeria have an unusual amount of talent, but as usual it doesnt translate to results. Is it the team mentality? Culture? The lack of a true posession midfielder? Its a shame that that much talent goes to waste every 4 years. Hopefully they can get it together.

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 11:22 AM
Go Yanks!

My prediction:

United States 2
England 1

The US score early (Altidore) and England answer right before half. The US breaks on counter attack and Clint Dempsey hits the game winner.

Dagmar
06-12-2010, 11:26 AM
Go Yanks!

My prediction:

United States 2
England 1

The US score early (Altidore) and England answer right before half. The US breaks on counter attack and Clint Dempsey hits the game winner.

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gyldenlove
06-12-2010, 11:31 AM
I am going to go England 1 - USA 0, penalty goal by Lampard

McDman
06-12-2010, 11:35 AM
I am going to go England 1 - USA 0, penalty goal by Lampard

Hahahaha, if it comes down to penalties we'll win. England seems to have some sort of curse on them when it comes to penalty shots.

Kid A
06-12-2010, 11:40 AM
Down the British! Up the Rebels!

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 11:44 AM
US Starting 11:

Howard
Cherundolo/Demerit/Onyewu/Bocanegra
Donovan/Bradley/Clark/Dempsey
Findley/Altidore

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 11:48 AM
England 11:

Green
Johnson/Terry/King/Cole
Milner/Gerrard/Lampard/Lennon
Heskey/Rooney

gyldenlove
06-12-2010, 12:02 PM
Hahahaha, if it comes down to penalties we'll win. England seems to have some sort of curse on them when it comes to penalty shots.

Hmmm, I doubt it, if you don't know that the group stage games do not get decided in penalties I don't see how your team can win.

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 12:17 PM
The crowd looks great. There are US and England flags all over the stadium.

ohiobronco2
06-12-2010, 12:36 PM
Damn.

DBruleU
06-12-2010, 12:38 PM
Well we will see what kind of heart this team has being down so early to England.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-12-2010, 12:40 PM
And the guy who shouldn't be starting (Clark), loses his mark and the US gets scored on.

DBruleU
06-12-2010, 12:42 PM
Our defense is the achilles heal right now. And we are terrible in the first 15 min of games.

gyldenlove
06-12-2010, 12:45 PM
Short corner kicks NEVER work, I don't know why people still try.

DBruleU
06-12-2010, 12:50 PM
Churundelo didn't do well with it. He should have driven that hard across the 6 yard box. But I agree...just put it in from the flag.

eddie mac
06-12-2010, 12:51 PM
Altidore missed a sitter there.

DBruleU
06-12-2010, 12:54 PM
You don't get many chances with Englands back line and Altidore may have just missed it.

At least there has been no sign of Rooney so far. Keep that guy quiet.

eddie mac
06-12-2010, 12:57 PM
Onyewu heads a yard wide

DHallblows
06-12-2010, 01:11 PM
Does England ever have good goalies?

Kid A
06-12-2010, 01:13 PM
Lol

DBruleU
06-12-2010, 01:13 PM
Does England ever have good goalies?

David Seaman

eddie mac
06-12-2010, 01:13 PM
FMOB would have to be the only West Ham player in the England team to give you a goal.

oubronco
06-12-2010, 01:16 PM
USA USA USA!!!!!!


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41798000/jpg/_41798970_usa416.jpg

DHallblows
06-12-2010, 01:19 PM
David Seaman

Hehehehe seaman.

But seriously, regardless of what the rest of the world thinks about them, Baseball, Basketball and American Football make us have better hand skills. How many US goalies are in the Premiership? I'm thinking 4 off the top of my head, I'm sure I'm missing one. Play more than just Soccer and Cricket and maybe you'd have better goalies, England. Just sayin

Orange4Life
06-12-2010, 01:29 PM
That was pretty damn lucky but I'll take it happily! Go Yanks!!!

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 01:29 PM
Dempsey gets his goal against England and it happens in a way that doesnt make him public enemy #1 in England.

Timmy Howard had a mammoth half. Cherundolo played very well also. Donovan is playing well. Dempsey playing well. Bradley playing pretty well.

Robbie Findley gets special mention because he's playing better than he ever has for the USMNT. He has had to be accounted for and has made some really dangerous plays. Lets hope he builds on that confidence, because if he does, there's a goal in it for him when he gets switched onto Ledley King or John Terry and he makes a diagonal run into the area.

theAPAOps5
06-12-2010, 01:32 PM
I couldn't believe it when I saw it. I thought was it spinning or was it bending? But there was no way he just choked!

Kid A
06-12-2010, 01:33 PM
I almost feel bad for Green. I mean, if they lose (or really even just tie) it will be Buckner on a national scale.

eddie mac
06-12-2010, 01:33 PM
5 I think and 4 are regular starters in Howard, Hahnemann, Friedel and promoted Rachubka with Blackpool. Guzan is a reserve at Villa

eddie mac
06-12-2010, 01:34 PM
I almost feel bad for Green. I mean, if they lose (or really even just tie) it will be Buckner on a national scale.
He's gonna get murdered regardless. There's no way he'll play in the next game due to public outcry.

DHallblows
06-12-2010, 01:41 PM
5 I think and 4 are regular starters in Howard, Hahnemann, Friedel and promoted Rachubka with Blackpool. Guzan is a reserve at Villa

Ah, well I guess I was right/wrong with that one. Definitely wasn't counting Rachubka

theAPAOps5
06-12-2010, 01:43 PM
US Defenders are not playing as a unit. Too much miss communication. 2 guys covering one leaving an outlet. Missed assignments and too much open space not being accounted for.

Howard has done well for us.

theAPAOps5
06-12-2010, 02:05 PM
Man can someone text the US squad and tell them Rooney is pretty good might want to account for him better.

That One Guy
06-12-2010, 02:11 PM
I forgot the game was on and just flipped it on for the 2nd half. I was really impressed with how good we were and how not good England was... but I assumed, for some reason, that we were in white.

Now that I see we're in blue, yikes.

theAPAOps5
06-12-2010, 02:27 PM
You would have thought the exact opposite the first half. US started playing much better after about 10 min into the second. They need to tighten some things up on Defense but you can't be upset with this draw!

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 02:27 PM
Result.

Beautiful.


What a game. That was outstanding football, and if you didnt think the US could play before then you should now.

theAPAOps5
06-12-2010, 02:28 PM
Yep I feel bad even being negative about the US squad but their game is now on the same levels as their competition. They have come a long way!

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 02:28 PM
Onyewu was very good in the second half and made several critical saves that snuffed out Rooney and Gerrard. He bothered Crouch, and his battle with Heskey over the course of the game was flat-out epic.

That One Guy
06-12-2010, 02:29 PM
Result.

Beautiful.


What a game. That was outstanding football, and if you didnt think the US could play before then you should now.

Eh. They held on. They played decent. They weren't England.

They tied them though. Much better than could've really been expected.

theAPAOps5
06-12-2010, 02:30 PM
Onyewu and Howard were the MVP's for sure. Onyewu was winning every ball in the air it seemed.

That One Guy
06-12-2010, 02:30 PM
Not to mention, it seemed the American ball movement of choice was backwards or one big boot and try to get it when it came back into the atmosphere.

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 02:33 PM
Onyewu and Howard were the MVP's for sure. Onyewu was winning every ball in the air it seemed.

Howard had one of those games. He was in the zone. To come back from getting full-cleated in the hands and ribs by a full speed Heskey to have that type of performance is the stuff of legends. Man of the match for sure.

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/03/46/15/slideshow_1154635_194309_South_Africa_USA_Bra.JPG

Hooray for US keepers having all-world World Cups!

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 02:35 PM
2nd best player? Stevie Cherundolo, who had an epic game on both ends of the field.

http://www.soccerbyives.net/.a/6a00e54ef2975b883301157200ab30970b-500wi

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 02:37 PM
3rd best player?

Jay Demerit.

Jay was in Rooney's pocket over the whole game. Jay virtually shut Rooney down.

http://www.watfordfc.com/javaImages/3a/f2/0,,10400~6025786,00.jpg

DHallblows
06-12-2010, 02:40 PM
Interesting that Dempsey has more international goals in less caps than Gerrard. I wouldn't have guessed that given that he takes England's penalties (I assumed)

Al Wilson
06-12-2010, 02:47 PM
Howard had one of those games. He was in the zone. To come back from getting full-cleated in the hands and ribs by a full speed Heskey to have that type of performance is the stuff of legends. Man of the match for sure.
You can thank the England players for shots attempted straight at the goalie. Can't believe Capello the dumbass started players like Heskey, Green, and Milner. His subs were retarded as well. Wright-Phillips did absolutely nothing but become a ball hog, and his sub Crouch was just stupid..He should've started Defoe to play along Rooney........sigh it sucks being an England fan

Dagmar
06-12-2010, 02:55 PM
Eh. They held on. They played decent. They weren't England.

They tied them though. Much better than could've really been expected.

I watched the game with a couple of folks who hate "soccer" and even they admitted the US dominated the 1st half after the goal and defended like heroes in the 2nd.

Dagmar
06-12-2010, 02:55 PM
You can thank the England players for shots attempted straight at the goalie. Can't believe Capello the dumbass started players like Heskey, Green, and Milner. His subs were retarded as well. Wright-Phillips did absolutely nothing but become a ball hog, and his sub Crouch was just stupid..He should've started Defoe to play along Rooney........sigh it sucks being an England fan

lol

Kid A
06-12-2010, 03:01 PM
I watched the game with a couple of folks who hate "soccer" and even they admitted the US dominated the 1st half after the goal and defended like heroes in the 2nd.

Yeah, 1st half outside the **** up 4 minutes in was really good. I think we finished 52-48 on possession. Second half a lot more back on our heels (I think England ended up with 58% possession), but a couple good chances, especially Altidore.

Now we need to win our last couple, and hopefully bulk up a solid goal deferential.

oubronco
06-12-2010, 03:11 PM
Why do they let it end in a tie?

gyldenlove
06-12-2010, 03:34 PM
Interesting that Dempsey has more international goals in less caps than Gerrard. I wouldn't have guessed that given that he takes England's penalties (I assumed)

If Gerrard played more Games in the North American qualifying system he would have more goals, annual games against Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica will do that for you, not to mention St Kitts and US Virgin Islands.

Kid A
06-12-2010, 03:36 PM
Why do they let it end in a tie?

It's group play. Wins are worth 3 points, ties worth 1. After the four teams have played their round robin the two teams with the most points advance to the final 16. Then they stop allowing ties and go to overtime and shootouts.

In the group stage, though, there is no need to play overtime since there are other games that can decide who advances. Not as climatic as many Americans might like, but that's the reality of the sport and the early portion of the tournament.

Jens1893
06-12-2010, 04:07 PM
Yeah, 1st half outside the **** up 4 minutes in was really good. I think we finished 52-48 on possession. Second half a lot more back on our heels (I think England ended up with 58% possession), but a couple good chances, especially Altidore.

Now we need to win our last couple, and hopefully bulk up a solid goal deferential.

You do realize posession is the most useless statistic in football, donīt you?

What you do with the ball is the only thing that truly matters.

oubronco
06-12-2010, 04:14 PM
It's group play. Wins are worth 3 points, ties worth 1. After the four teams have played their round robin the two teams with the most points advance to the final 16. Then they stop allowing ties and go to overtime and shootouts.

In the group stage, though, there is no need to play overtime since there are other games that can decide who advances. Not as climatic as many Americans might like, but that's the reality of the sport and the early portion of the tournament.

Thanks :thumbsup:

Kid A
06-12-2010, 04:23 PM
You do realize posession is the most useless statistic in football, donīt you?

What you do with the ball is the only thing that truly matters.

True, but (and maybe this is just me being a relatively inexperienced soccer viewer) I did feel it reflected what I saw today in terms of offensive chances and possession around the box. US was getting corners in the 1st half, but it was all England with the set pieces in the 2nd.

Chris
06-12-2010, 04:30 PM
I was pretty shocked when Heskey got the start. He has always been mediocre at best for England.

Jens1893
06-12-2010, 04:43 PM
True, but (and maybe this is just me being a relatively inexperienced soccer viewer) I did feel it reflected what I saw today in terms of offensive chances and possession around the box. US was getting corners in the 1st half, but it was all England with the set pieces in the 2nd.

I think the early goal gave England a false sense of security and they were comfortable to sit back and let the US have most of the posession in the 1st. It turned into a pretty decent game in the second and the draw was a fair result, but the US really didnīt do all that much with their posession in the first and incidentally had their best chance of the game when they managed to play forward quickly and send Altidore on a 1-1 with Carragher. Carragher probably could have been off when he stopped Altidore on the break also.

England lacked some urgency in the 2nd and only woke up at around the 70 minute mark ... if I was Capello Iīd be a little concerned with how many headers they lost defensively and Iīd also try to find a way how to get Rooney involved more.

That One Guy
06-12-2010, 05:22 PM
I watched the game with a couple of folks who hate "soccer" and even they admitted the US dominated the 1st half after the goal and defended like heroes in the 2nd.

I missed the first half but I guess I can accept that assessment of the 2nd half. There was way more ball control by the English in and around the 18 yd box than you'd like to see if they were on top of their game defensively, though (particularly earlier in the 2nd half).

As I mentioned earlier, the Americans seemed content to move the ball backwards and were very sloppy when trying to move it upfield. The English had pretty decent ball movement but none of it panned out. At no point in the 2nd half did I get the feeling that the Americans might just score and win it. I watched the clock tick down hoping they held out for the tie.

The Joker
06-12-2010, 05:31 PM
I was surprised at how limp England were in attack. Not sure what exactly Capello was thinking with his starting lineup, the midfield was totally unbalanced and they ended up just playing aimless long balls as a result most of the game.

The US looked pretty decent in attack I must say. Played some nice football and looked like they were capable of scoring. Obviously a draw must go down as a good result for them but in all honesty I was surprised that they sat back and settled for a draw in the second half. Had they really gone for it I thought England were there for the taking, to be honest.

Rocket 7
06-12-2010, 06:41 PM
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/dipsomaniac1/espn_newbutter1x_576.jpg

chrisp
06-12-2010, 07:18 PM
We always suck in our first game. OK, sometimes we suck in our 2nd & 3rd as well (euro '88 anyone?) but I don't think there's ever been a single tournament where we performed well in the first game.

When I heard players complaining about the ball before the tournament though, i just KNEW we would end up conceding a screwy goal. Ho hum.

Well done chaps. i daresay a draw is a better result for you than it is for us, but there's still all to play for....

DHallblows
06-12-2010, 07:36 PM
If Gerrard played more Games in the North American qualifying system he would have more goals, annual games against Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica will do that for you, not to mention St Kitts and US Virgin Islands.

I guess. Of course only one of Clint's goals is against T&T and none against the others.

Houshyamama
06-12-2010, 07:56 PM
We always suck in our first game. OK, sometimes we suck in our 2nd & 3rd as well (euro '88 anyone?) but I don't think there's ever been a single tournament where we performed well in the first game.

When I heard players complaining about the ball before the tournament though, i just KNEW we would end up conceding a screwy goal. Ho hum.

Well done chaps. i daresay a draw is a better result for you than it is for us, but there's still all to play for....

I will take it! Soccer is not our sport so it's always great to get a draw against one of the world's best teams. Enjoy this America, we have a real shot of getting out of this group.

Dagmar
06-12-2010, 08:23 PM
I was pretty shocked when Heskey got the start. He has always been mediocre at best for England.

His stats are awful but look at England's record with him starting with Rooney, you'd be shocked.

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 08:32 PM
If Gerrard played more Games in the North American qualifying system he would have more goals, annual games against Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica will do that for you, not to mention St Kitts and US Virgin Islands.

As you can tell by the result of today's game, the US' qualifying group is tougher than Euro's understand it to be for reasons that they dont understand.

Atwater His Ass
06-12-2010, 08:47 PM
I was surprised at how limp England were in attack. Not sure what exactly Capello was thinking with his starting lineup, the midfield was totally unbalanced and they ended up just playing aimless long balls as a result most of the game.

The US looked pretty decent in attack I must say. Played some nice football and looked like they were capable of scoring. Obviously a draw must go down as a good result for them but in all honesty I was surprised that they sat back and settled for a draw in the second half. Had they really gone for it I thought England were there for the taking, to be honest.

England looked very good in setting up the attack. They just lacked the composure to finish. They had at least 5 clear cut chances and hit 3 of them right to Howard.

US looked really shaky in the 2nd half, with only the Altidore run causing any real concern. England dominated possesion and did a good job at wearing down the US defense, espcially Lennon and Johnson where the US didn't have an answer for right sided England players.

I come away from this match with a very unsettled feeling for the US defense. Time and time again England players were either completely umarked, or the US defender couldn't stay with his man, and it's a bit unfortunate for England that they couldn't finish today.

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 09:07 PM
England looked very good in setting up the attack. They just lacked the composure to finish. They had at least 5 clear cut chances and hit 3 of them right to Howard.

US looked really shaky in the 2nd half, with only the Altidore run causing any real concern. England dominated possesion and did a good job at wearing down the US defense, espcially Lennon and Johnson where the US didn't have an answer for right sided England players.

I come away from this match with a very unsettled feeling for the US defense. Time and time again England players were either completely umarked, or the US defender couldn't stay with his man, and it's a bit unfortunate for England that they couldn't finish today.

I wasnt unsettled by it at all. Cherundolo was very good...probably the top defender on the field today. Onyewu grew more solid and sure of his wheels as the game went on and turned in a brilliant last 30 minutes. Demerit did an outstanding job with Rooney (with help from Bradley and Clark).

Confidence is a big thing with this US team, and they will be overflowing with the right kind of confidence going into the game with a tough Slovenia team.

Remember, the US were actually playing another team. That team that they played is very good. People like to blame one team or the other as to why things didnt work out. Well, both of these teams are good. I didnt expect the US to accomplish as many of their goals in execution as they did, and that speaks more to the ability of the team.

England are very good, and this is one of the best England teams to hit the World Cup in years.

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 09:12 PM
You do realize posession is the most useless statistic in football, donīt you?

What you do with the ball is the only thing that truly matters.

Ah...you must be a German. ;D

I agree with you.

You have to understand...we have owned Mexico so thoroughly over the past10-20 years that Mexican fans have made posession their stat of choice...because its the only advantage that they have over the US. The paranoia about posession bleeds over into the American fans' mentality sometimes.

epicSocialism4tw
06-12-2010, 09:14 PM
I think the early goal gave England a false sense of security and they were comfortable to sit back and let the US have most of the posession in the 1st. It turned into a pretty decent game in the second and the draw was a fair result, but the US really didnīt do all that much with their posession in the first and incidentally had their best chance of the game when they managed to play forward quickly and send Altidore on a 1-1 with Carragher. Carragher probably could have been off when he stopped Altidore on the break also.

England lacked some urgency in the 2nd and only woke up at around the 70 minute mark ... if I was Capello Iīd be a little concerned with how many headers they lost defensively and Iīd also try to find a way how to get Rooney involved more.

Carragher was getting beat down the field by Findley and elbowed him square in the throat right in the middle of the open field. Im still wondering how the refs missed that one. Should have been at least a yellow, which would have sent Carragher off.

DBruleU
06-12-2010, 09:27 PM
Ugh, still trying to get over Altidore near goal. That would have been epic.

Can't wait for Friday's match.

I'm trying to get myself up each day even for the first game at 5AM, but that was hard today. Although I did play soccer last night till midnight, so that didn't help.

Another great day of soccer tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing Germany play, and Brazil and Portugal matches on Monday.

Atwater His Ass
06-12-2010, 09:47 PM
I wasnt unsettled by it at all. Cherundolo was very good...probably the top defender on the field today. Onyewu grew more solid and sure of his wheels as the game went on and turned in a brilliant last 30 minutes. Demerit did an outstanding job with Rooney (with help from Bradley and Clark).

Confidence is a big thing with this US team, and they will be overflowing with the right kind of confidence going into the game with a tough Slovenia team.

Remember, the US were actually playing another team. That team that they played is very good. People like to blame one team or the other as to why things didnt work out. Well, both of these teams are good. I didnt expect the US to accomplish as many of their goals in execution as they did, and that speaks more to the ability of the team.

England are very good, and this is one of the best England teams to hit the World Cup in years.

Still shaky defending in my book. Players being completely unmarked is unacceptable. Clark not being able to keep up with Gerrard on his goal scoring run was dissapointing.

I wasn't very happy with some of the lunging challenges either, but some of that is bad tackling by the US and good ball skill from England.

Lennon and Johnson torched Bocanegra time and time again, which was somewhat to be expected, but the support wasn't there from the other defenders.

Gooch came on better towards the end and it's hard to be unsatisfied with his performance for 90 mins overall all things considered, eventhough he gifted the Heskey chance with his ambitious challenge, gutting the defense.

Cherundolo was fantastic, as I already stated. Solid in the back, and dangerous going forward.

But England was allowed to fashion too many chances in my book, considering we played with 2 defensive midfielders to shield the back line in Bradley and Clark. England could have easily scored 3-4 goals in this match.

gyldenlove
06-12-2010, 09:50 PM
As you can tell by the result of today's game, the US' qualifying group is tougher than Euro's understand it to be for reasons that they dont understand.

I don't know about that, the top teams in the concacaf are not bad, but outside of the top 2 or 3 teams it seems pretty slim. USA, Mexico and maybe one more team from the concacaf would be able to qualify through the UEFA system, I doubt more than that could even get close.

gyldenlove
06-12-2010, 09:51 PM
You do realize posession is the most useless statistic in football, donīt you?

What you do with the ball is the only thing that truly matters.

Possession is only useless to Germans since they always win in the end, for all the rest of us possession is important, we can only score goals if we have the ball.

theAPAOps5
06-12-2010, 09:58 PM
I love watching the World Cup. Us Americans don't get to see great soccer on a regular basis. I learned to play in Germany and continued playing it through all my schooling and I miss seeing great competition day in and day out.

Atwater His Ass
06-12-2010, 10:15 PM
I don't know about that, the top teams in the concacaf are not bad, but outside of the top 2 or 3 teams it seems pretty slim. USA, Mexico and maybe one more team from the concacaf would be able to qualify through the UEFA system, I doubt more than that could even get close.

Pretty much. USA, Mexico, Honduras, are the big 3. Costa Rica, T&T, El Salvador, and Canada although not horrible teams by any means, are 2nd tier teams.