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ZONA
10-23-2009, 02:14 PM
Everybody always loves looking ahead to the drafts, especially when your team sucks. Our doesn't but it is a bye week so we can have a bit of fun and relax. If the season ended today and you had to be Josh, how would you evaluate the upcoming draft? Just pretend we re-signed all our key players and no major injuries were sustained during the season.

Alot of guys are playing well and even role players and backups are doing great. But just for fun, what positions would you be looking at in the draft looking forward.

Here's mine.

NT - gotta be our #1 true need. Looking for that big time stud at NT could really help provide this defense even more dominance in the future.

C - Casey is solid but grooming a dominate and larger center could be ideal.

LG - Many seem to think Hamilton is the weak link in the line.

P - duh

WR - Stokely is getting older and with a throw first offense, it makes sense.

DE - McBean is doing a good job but looking for more talent and depth here would be smart.

goldengopher1976
10-23-2009, 02:17 PM
Was just thinking about this the other day, am interested to see what people are thinking in light of the way things have turned out...

listopencil
10-23-2009, 02:20 PM
I'm already pissed off about next year's draft.

Paladin
10-23-2009, 02:22 PM
Well, it may be that the Broncos will have a pick in the 12-16 range. Maybe a bit lower. Bears may cave to the Division rivals.

My bet is that the Broncos will trade the pick for future picks, and look for backup DEs and LBs. Fields is young, and they are bringing along Baker. Thomas may need to move over to DE.

ZONA
10-23-2009, 02:29 PM
Well you know at least 4 guys from the new draft are going to stick. Nobody ever gives up their picks just because they like who they have on the team. Even if we do very well in the playoffs, there's no doubt going to be a few guys that we like who get cut because of the new picks.

I'm guessing some of the older guys won't make it next year. Stokely, Holliday, maybe Hamilton or Weigman (I think one of those 2 won't be back).

But I could see where we trade some picks for the following year.

Baba Booey
10-23-2009, 02:31 PM
Get deeper on the D line, a project corner or two, a guard and a center, WR to replace Stokely eventually

Lev Vyvanse
10-23-2009, 02:33 PM
Best available player.

R8R H8R
10-23-2009, 02:33 PM
Everybody always loves looking ahead to the drafts, especially when your team sucks. Our doesn't but it is a bye week so we can have a bit of fun and relax. If the season ended today and you had to be Josh, how would you evaluate the upcoming draft? Just pretend we re-signed all our key players and no major injuries were sustained during the season.

Alot of guys are playing well and even role players and backups are doing great. But just for fun, what positions would you be looking at in the draft looking forward.

Here's mine.

NT - gotta be our #1 true need. Looking for that big time stud at NT could really help provide this defense even more dominance in the future.

I would possibly agree, but it wouldn't be the most pressing need if the coaching staff thinks Baker could be that guy.

C - Casey is solid but grooming a dominate and larger center could be ideal.

LG - Many seem to think Hamilton is the weak link in the line.

Agreed. I would be OK w/ spending any two of our 1st, 2nd, or 3rd for the right 2 guys.

P - duh

I would bring Colquitte(sp?) back first before I spend a pick on a punter. But if he's not the guy, then yes, I would agree.

WR - Stokely is getting older and with a throw first offense, it makes sense.

Royal might be the most suitable to replace Stokely, but yes, if McKinnley can't replace Royal @ #2, then we need a guy.

DE - McBean is doing a good job but looking for more talent and depth here would be smart.

Agreed. Depth on OL and DL is probably biggest needs.

jhns
10-23-2009, 02:33 PM
Well we haven't had any one spot be exposed as a big weakness this season. That being said, here are the spots I think we could upgrade from what we have seen so far. Some of these may already be on the roster getting developed also.

LG - Hamilton has seemed to struggle at times with the new offense. He gets overpowered by big defenses. I don't even like saying this because I love Hamilton, but it may be about time for him to go. I think this would also help cure some of the problems we have with the run game, especially for short yardage.

C - He is old and also getting pushed around a little, although not much. Even if we have his replacement on roster, we still will need to get a backup. A stronger center would also help with the problems running in short yardage situations.

NT/DE - The guys we have are playing very well. I do think we could use another playmaker on the line.

QB - I don't really care how in love you guys are with Orton. I think he needs competition and I do think we could get much better. Right now we are 19th in points. With the offense we have around the QB, I feel we should be much more productive. Orton has been getting better as the season goes so maybe we will pick it up some. If not, I say we get more competition this offseason.

NFLBRONCO
10-23-2009, 02:34 PM
Shouldn't we move Royal to 3 and draft a 2?

NT/LB/WR are my #1 choices day 1 right now.

ZONA
10-23-2009, 02:35 PM
Best available player.

Really? So what if it happens that it's the Broncos pick and the best guy on their board is a LT? Nice logic there.............FAIL.

baja
10-23-2009, 02:36 PM
I'm already pissed off about next year's draft.

Not as much as Mock I'll bet.

Inkana7
10-23-2009, 02:39 PM
Center, Defensive Line, Inside Linebacker.

Mr.Meanie
10-23-2009, 02:39 PM
Depending on how well CHI does probably makes a big impact. If they finish middle of the pack, I could see us going 3-4 DE... or possibly trading back to pick up a C or LG.
We have so few holes... I would say our biggest needs at this moment are on the OLine and DLine.

It's so early though...and it really depends on if we can extend Orton, Marshall, Kuper, and Doom.

ZONA
10-23-2009, 02:40 PM
QB - I don't really care how in love you guys are with Orton. I think he needs competition and I do think we could get much better. Right now we are 19th in points. With the offense we have around the QB, I feel we should be much more productive. Orton has been getting better as the season goes so maybe we will pick it up some. If not, I say we get more competition this offseason.

For me, I've seen enough from TB that I would not waste a pick on a QB. I think Orton is playing very well and the glove only came off last week, and this is his first year in the offense so I think he will only get better. I think his arm is plenty strong enough, he's smart with the ball and a good leader. I think 19th in points has a little something to do with the fact that this group (coaches, players) hasn't been together that long. Orton and Brandstater stick IMO but if you wanted to cut Simms and draft another project, that's cool.

AbileneBroncoFan
10-23-2009, 02:41 PM
DE, or WR in the first. Unless someone such as Eric Berry or someone else projected as an all-pro falls into our lap.

But the smartest thing (and the likely thing) is that we trade down and accumulate picks. This is going to be an incredibly deep draft, so having multiple 2nds would be legit.

crowebomber
10-23-2009, 02:46 PM
I agree with Center and Left Guard.

If we give Marshall a contract, we're great at WR. You never draft a #3 receiver, they either come up as a sleeper or they're a free agent pickup.

But building the O-Line always pays dividends. Our line play has as much to do with Orton's success as anything.

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2009, 02:47 PM
Given the draft history of the Pats and their tendancy to draft system players, I think that you have to start with players that fit the system, and then go from there. The BBT will pass up talented players who do not fit the system, and they have already proven that.

First round options:
NT - A big, fat run-stopper if a 3-4 bloat is available.
CB - The late first should have a plethora of DBs. This team still has problems opposite Champ. Dont be surprised if the BBT snags a good man coverage corner who can tackle.
OLB - another rotation player who can play the run and cover in the 3-4 would be possible.
Trade Out - I wouldnt be suprised to see Denver trade back to pick up a second and another pick.

Second round :
LG - Ben Hamilton isnt big enough to hold the POA against big guys. He doesnt fit the system. He'll be in Houston next year.
RB - The Broncos need another playmaker here. A scat back type who can catch and pick up the blitz.
C - Casey Weigmann isnt getting any younger.

Taco John
10-23-2009, 02:47 PM
Excellent Bye week thread!

I think we need to give Nolan incentive to stick around for another year by handing him the first three picks. :)

fontaine
10-23-2009, 02:55 PM
Everyone bags on Hamilton for his one weakeness with huge DTs. Well, how many Guards in this league can handle guys like Wilfork?

Hamilton does plenty of great work. He's not a mauler like Kuper but plenty good enough.

epicSocialism4tw
10-23-2009, 03:06 PM
Everyone bags on Hamilton for his one weakeness with huge DTs. Well, how many Guards in this league can handle guys like Wilfork?

Hamilton does plenty of great work. He's not a mauler like Kuper but plenty good enough.

That's not how the BBT will look at it. They have already realized that they are unable to control the POA in 3rd and short and on the goal line. That's why you see Orton throwing short button hooks to Royal and tossing balls up to Marshall in that scenario.

The BBT will want to improve on that aspect of the game because it correlates to success in the NFL. To improve there, the team will need a different LG. I think the writing is on the wall with Hamilton.

tsiguy96
10-23-2009, 03:14 PM
i asked frank schaub what he thought, he said team is really high on seth olsen. pick up an early center and we are set.

also, OLB is a need, as is additional Dline.

Br0nc0Buster
10-23-2009, 03:17 PM
I think our offense is pretty much set except for some more size on the interior of the line and maybe some depth at receiver, but you dont need to spend 1st round picks for that

DE, NT, ILB, and maybe even corner would be my guess as to what we might look at in the 1st next year

Unless there is a really really really good guard or center in the 1st it would be a bit overkill IMO to go offense in the first

So essentially I think our top pick will be BPA on defense that fits our scheme with the possible exception of OLB and S

Just throwing this name out there, Rolando McClain

WolfpackGuy
10-23-2009, 03:24 PM
Biggest immediate need is heavier interior offensive linemen for the types of plays being called.

This short yardage issue is getting ridiculous.

Hercules Rockefeller
10-23-2009, 03:25 PM
Front 7, they need to get deeper there, especially on the DL.

Rohirrim
10-23-2009, 03:28 PM
This would be the first three on my wish list:

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0318/ncf_u_cody_576.jpg

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/53/535727.jpg

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/68/687742.jpg

gyldenlove
10-23-2009, 03:29 PM
1. DE. Vonnie Holliday is on his last legs and with the kind of rotation we have now we need a lot of depth.

2. OG/C. Hamilton and Wiegmann are both getting on in years, Olsen seems the heir apparent to one of them, but who will take the other spot?

3. OLB. Dumervil will be expensive, Ayers needs to develope, but beyond those two we are going to need more. Haggan is servicable and Reid can take some snaps, but we really do need more depth.

4. RB. Buckhalter is getting on in years, but should have a few more, Jordan however is getting near the end of his career.

5. WR. This one moves up if we can't sign Marshall long term, but with Stokley getting into some short shelflife territory we need depth.

fdf
10-23-2009, 04:20 PM
I'm already pissed off about next year's draft.

Best post of the thread.

OBF1
10-23-2009, 04:52 PM
Anyone named Taylor Mays

Followed by more line help..O and D

baja
10-23-2009, 05:08 PM
Who ever the Broncos take, never thought I would say that.

That's how much confidence I have in Josh McD right now.

Br0nc0Buster
10-23-2009, 06:45 PM
Anyone named Taylor Mays

Followed by more line help..O and D

pass on him

Doesnt matter though Raiders are gonna take him with their pick

Bronx33
10-23-2009, 07:18 PM
draft a FG kicker!

HEAV
10-23-2009, 07:28 PM
Who ever the Broncos take, never thought I would say that.

That's how much confidence I have in Josh McD right now.

WERD!

:thumbs:

Plus Free agency could change the draft direction.

eddie mac
10-23-2009, 07:34 PM
Internal line on both sides of the ball may well need quite a bit of work this offseason.

Hamilton and Hochstein are both UFA's whilst Wiegmann will probably retire at the end of the 2010 season, leaving us with Kuper who's also a restricted free agent and Seth Olsen basically.

At the NT position we only really have Ron Fields and Chris Baker. Some other players like Marcus Thomas can rotate at the position and possibly LeKevin Smith (also a restricted free agent) but we are still pretty light there.

On the other hand I dont see the secondary getting much work at all this offseason given the fact we added 2 free agents last year and 3 drafted rookies, who've all shown promise to date.

CB
Bailey (final year of contract)
Goodman (just signed)
Williams
A Smith
Carter (practice squad)

S
Dawkins (he'll be around for a while yet)
Hill
McBath
Bruton
Barrett

Bronx33
10-23-2009, 07:36 PM
Lets consult Adam Schein hes wicked knowledgable.

Durango
10-23-2009, 07:37 PM
Pass rusher. DT. Anyone else notice the minute Dawkins left the line-up because of injury, the defense once again fell back into the Doom, DJ and Champ tackling circus.

For whatever reason, this defense depends on the Dawkins glue.

HEAV
10-23-2009, 07:53 PM
What about Tim Tebow with a possible late 2nd? Project QB that can play a swing RB/FB/TE/WR, he could be added to the Wild Horse package?

Just an blind shot in the dark idea.

Gcver2ver3
10-23-2009, 07:55 PM
i can't remember the last time i've been so pleased with so many aspects of the team...how is it that we have no glaring weaknesses?...how did that happen?...

anyway...i agree with most about the interior o-line...

plus, another NT/DE would be cool...

earlier on i thought we could use another pass rusher but i like how Ayers has been coming along lately...

maybe another ILB...

Bronco Warrior
10-23-2009, 09:24 PM
The Short yardage POA is a scheme problem..you can't trap block and pull Ben out of the hole and then expect great push when you allow that kind of penatration. They need to just fire Zone off the ball and let the Back find a seem. That's why we were so successfull at it last year.

If I knew more about Baker I would feel less inclined to think NT. Fields has been a mauler inside and still has the speed to cause problems.
I wanna Kick Goodman's ass, he has become a crappy tackler (He was great at Miami). If we can find a big hitting corner in a Champ mold I say we grab him!
I like Strong Center/guard for depth if nothing else, but go back to the old Zone blocking scheme full time!

spdirty
10-23-2009, 10:12 PM
well I know when McD likes a player, he goes out and gets em, everything else be damned. So I hope he falls in love with Taylor Mays. Let him learn under Dawkins for a year or 2.

misturanderson
10-23-2009, 10:26 PM
Why is everyone so high on Taylor Mays when in all likelihood Berry is coming out next year too? If we're going to be posting pipe dreams, why not hope for the best player in college football?

Kaylore
10-23-2009, 10:45 PM
Best available player.

:notworthy

Again, it's not like you're going shopping. Sure, you have needs but just because you need something, that doesn't mean it's there, or worse, take something that is kind of like what you need and you pretend someday it will be.

There are a certain number of players in the draft that will be awesome. Those players don't necessarily fill in the holes we have perfectly, but they will make our team better and it's the staff's job to identify them and bring them in.

Kaylore
10-23-2009, 10:50 PM
Excellent Bye week thread!

I think we need to give Nolan incentive to stick around for another year by handing him the first three picks. :)

I think Nolan showed in San Fran he should stick to coaching - unless you mean drafting defensive players for him as a reward. And really I disagree with that too. Limiting yourself to one side of the ball for any reason in the draft is not good.

Crushisback
10-24-2009, 12:10 AM
#1 need is a pass rushing OLB.

Many will think this is foolish however could you imagine this D without Doom? We need depth and it would be so great to have a guy on the other side to take protection off of Doom and vica versa.

However if the value is not there for OLB I say go DE NT or MLB.

If we go OG or C in the first he better be an absolute stud. Oline is one of the easiest to draft and play early.

Drek
10-24-2009, 06:20 AM
#1 need is a pass rushing OLB.

Many will think this is foolish however could you imagine this D without Doom? We need depth and it would be so great to have a guy on the other side to take protection off of Doom and vica versa.

However if the value is not there for OLB I say go DE NT or MLB.

If we go OG or C in the first he better be an absolute stud. Oline is one of the easiest to draft and play early.

We drafted that with the #18 pick in the 2009 draft. Only six weeks into his NFL career he's already taken a starting job. He generates constant pressure and four or five of Doom's sacks have come largely thanks to him crushing the pocket.

The name Robert Ayers ring a bell?

Anyhow, my take on the upcoming draft:

We'll be looking at good depth along the DL, primarily 3-4 DE/4-3 DT types. That is great for us because we could use some help there. Over a half dozen guys entered this college season with potential first round grades who're in the 6'3" to 6'6", 290-300 pound range. Most of them play DT and so have done probably done at least some two gapping before.

Other than DL the next best looking grouping in this class is OT, not a position of need, followed by WR, a position of less need than many others.

To me our ideal draft strategy would be to aim the first round pick at a scarce commodity in this draft. Terrance Cody (the only legit NT so far in the draft) fits that bill and could very possibly slide because of elite DLs such as Suh, Greg Hardy, Arthur Jones, and the possible early entry of Gerald McCoy and Marvin Austin. If he goes earlier and one of Suh (not going to happen), Jones, McCoy, or Austin slid to us they would all make great fits in the 3-4 at DE.

Another option if Cody slides out of our reach is grabbing the best 3-4 ILB available. Brandon Spikes and Rolando McClain are the best options there. If only one comes out we might have to grab him in the mid-teens. If both do though we could very possibly trade back into the early second and still land McClain. This would be a big pickup because Andra Davis doesn't have a ton of years left and we've all seen how much better DJ plays when he's got a big hard hitting ILB paired with him to clean up a lot of the trash.

Outside of the first round I'd want us to focus our early picks on the interior OL and DEs. Jared Odrick, Tyson Alualu, Vince Oghobasse, D'Anthony Smith, and Corey Wootton all have the raw skill sets we'd look for in our 3-4 DEs. I'd be partial to Odrick, Oghobasse, and Wootton myself, the later being something of a DE/OLB tweener in the 3-4, but given some extra weight could be an Aaron Smith type of DE for us.

On the OL I'd like Jon Asamoah or Mike Johnson for OGs, Tennant, Walton, and Olsen (as a later rounder) for center.

In practical execution I'd hope for the following, by round (in order of preference):

1st - Terrance Cody, Brandon Spikes
2nd - Rolando McClain, Matt Tennant, Jon Asamoah, Jared Odrick
3rd - Vince Oghobasse, Mike Johnson, J.D. Walton

If we could come away with the first three rounds giving us Cody, Asamoah, and Oghobasse I'd be very happy. If we can't get Cody at the top and traded back to the early 2nd and picked up another 3rd or something of the sort in the process to grab another guy off that list I'd be quite happy as well.

I would then want to see us spend the back half of the draft filling in long term depth. A 4th or 5th round QB to start developing would be nice, same with WR. A scat back type to eventually replace Buckhalter would be great too, especially one who can help Royal carry the load in returns. A power FB is something I didn't think I'd want going into this season, but with Hillis' poor play I'm warming up to the idea. A late round punter and/or kicker to compete in camp is also always welcome.

An example of the kind of guy I'd look for:

John Skelton, Fordham - 6'5", 256 pound QB with some athleticism. Probably a 4th or 5th rounder. Started 7 games as a true freshman, 11 as a sophomore, and 12 as a junior. You don't find many 21 year olds in college football who have 40 games of starting experience heading into their senior year. Strikes me as a McDaniels prototype.

Jordan Shipley and Jacoby Ford are two WRs I'd look for in late rounds. Noel Devine wouldn't be a bad RB target if he leaves school a year early.

elsid13
10-24-2009, 06:35 AM
What about Tim Tebow with a possible late 2nd? Project QB that can play a swing RB/FB/TE/WR, he could be added to the Wild Horse package?

Just an blind shot in the dark idea.

How about no.

elsid13
10-24-2009, 06:38 AM
We drafted that with the #18 pick in the 2009 draft. Only six weeks into his NFL career he's already taken a starting job. He generates constant pressure and four or five of Doom's sacks have come largely thanks to him crushing the pocket.

The name Robert Ayers ring a bell?

Anyhow, my take on the upcoming draft:

We'll be looking at good depth along the DL, primarily 3-4 DE/4-3 DT types. That is great for us because we could use some help there. Over a half dozen guys entered this college season with potential first round grades who're in the 6'3" to 6'6", 290-300 pound range. Most of them play DT and so have done probably done at least some two gapping before.

Other than DL the next best looking grouping in this class is OT, not a position of need, followed by WR, a position of less need than many others.

To me our ideal draft strategy would be to aim the first round pick at a scarce commodity in this draft. Terrance Cody (the only legit NT so far in the draft) fits that bill and could very possibly slide because of elite DLs such as Suh, Greg Hardy, Arthur Jones, and the possible early entry of Gerald McCoy and Marvin Austin. If he goes earlier and one of Suh (not going to happen), Jones, McCoy, or Austin slid to us they would all make great fits in the 3-4 at DE.

Another option if Cody slides out of our reach is grabbing the best 3-4 ILB available. Brandon Spikes and Rolando McClain are the best options there. If only one comes out we might have to grab him in the mid-teens. If both do though we could very possibly trade back into the early second and still land McClain. This would be a big pickup because Andra Davis doesn't have a ton of years left and we've all seen how much better DJ plays when he's got a big hard hitting ILB paired with him to clean up a lot of the trash.

Outside of the first round I'd want us to focus our early picks on the interior OL and DEs. Jared Odrick, Tyson Alualu, Vince Oghobasse, D'Anthony Smith, and Corey Wootton all have the raw skill sets we'd look for in our 3-4 DEs. I'd be partial to Odrick, Oghobasse, and Wootton myself, the later being something of a DE/OLB tweener in the 3-4, but given some extra weight could be an Aaron Smith type of DE for us.

On the OL I'd like Jon Asamoah or Mike Johnson for OGs, Tennant, Walton, and Olsen (as a later rounder) for center.

In practical execution I'd hope for the following, by round (in order of preference):

1st - Terrance Cody, Brandon Spikes
2nd - Rolando McClain, Matt Tennant, Jon Asamoah, Jared Odrick
3rd - Vince Oghobasse, Mike Johnson, J.D. Walton

If we could come away with the first three rounds giving us Cody, Asamoah, and Oghobasse I'd be very happy. If we can't get Cody at the top and traded back to the early 2nd and picked up another 3rd or something of the sort in the process to grab another guy off that list I'd be quite happy as well.

I would then want to see us spend the back half of the draft filling in long term depth. A 4th or 5th round QB to start developing would be nice, same with WR. A scat back type to eventually replace Buckhalter would be great too, especially one who can help Royal carry the load in returns. A power FB is something I didn't think I'd want going into this season, but with Hillis' poor play I'm warming up to the idea. A late round punter and/or kicker to compete in camp is also always welcome.

An example of the kind of guy I'd look for:

John Skelton, Fordham - 6'5", 256 pound QB with some athleticism. Probably a 4th or 5th rounder. Started 7 games as a true freshman, 11 as a sophomore, and 12 as a junior. You don't find many 21 year olds in college football who have 40 games of starting experience heading into their senior year. Strikes me as a McDaniels prototype.

Jordan Shipley and Jacoby Ford are two WRs I'd look for in late rounds. Noel Devine wouldn't be a bad RB target if he leaves school a year early.

Nice idea.

Wotton is at 285 or so I don't see him moving to OLB position. Personally I hoping that Bailey (UM) comes out, he raw but he has great upside. And the Broncos have already sent scouts to look at Skelton.

underrated29
10-24-2009, 08:42 AM
Nolan has shown over the years that he likes to build his defense backwards to forwards. This year he replicated that aswell. I think we almost compltely ignore S,CB unless someone falls who should not.

We already have Andre Davis replacement on the roster. His name is Spencer Larsen. Spence is the ideal replacement, not only is he very effective at stopping the run. But larsen can lower the boom on people like dawkins does.

We do need a replacement for haggan and reid, both imo are average at best players. As said earlier hammy and weigman are either gone or retired by the end of this year. Which leaves a huge whole at C and LG.


So we know about C and LG being big needs. We also know that NT is a big need too. Fields is playing exceptional but lets face it, we dont have his replacement or sub on our roster. So that is also a big big need. DE is also a very big need for us right now. I know what everyone keeps saying that doom and ayers and bean and such are doing great. They are but not from the DE.

Don't forget that our top targets in this years draft was tyson jackson (runstuffing DE) and the fat DT that went to Green bay (forgot his name).



Another thing to keep in mind is that we are constantly running a 5-2 defense in order to stop the run. ITs working for now, but teams will figure out a way to beat us across the middle sooner than later. We are putting that extra body down low to stop the run. With a Solid run stuffing DE we will be able to keep that extra body back and run a true 3-4D.

IMO highest priority goes something like this.

C/NT- we cant run or pass pro without a solid C, and cant stop the run or collapse pocket without a solid NT.
DE- we need a big body who can eat the run alive, tie up blockers for our blitz and also get pressure on the end.

assuming we land those 3 positions with solid players, i would then look for us to hit LB pretty hard, followed by RB, TE, WR.

lex
10-24-2009, 08:49 AM
We drafted that with the #18 pick in the 2009 draft. Only six weeks into his NFL career he's already taken a starting job. He generates constant pressure and four or five of Doom's sacks have come largely thanks to him crushing the pocket.

The name Robert Ayers ring a bell?

Anyhow, my take on the upcoming draft:

We'll be looking at good depth along the DL, primarily 3-4 DE/4-3 DT types. That is great for us because we could use some help there. Over a half dozen guys entered this college season with potential first round grades who're in the 6'3" to 6'6", 290-300 pound range. Most of them play DT and so have done probably done at least some two gapping before.

Im with you although, I think we have a more immediate need on the OLine, where we are actually likely looking for starters.

Other than DL the next best looking grouping in this class is OT, not a position of need, followed by WR, a position of less need than many others.

To me our ideal draft strategy would be to aim the first round pick at a scarce commodity in this draft. Terrance Cody (the only legit NT so far in the draft) fits that bill and could very possibly slide because of elite DLs such as Suh, Greg Hardy, Arthur Jones, and the possible early entry of Gerald McCoy and Marvin Austin. If he goes earlier and one of Suh (not going to happen), Jones, McCoy, or Austin slid to us they would all make great fits in the 3-4 at DE.

The other issue is that Cody doesnt play a lot of snaps in games. So that may make him available. But I agree. The guy is a behemoth and in interviews Ive seen, he doesnt exactly seem like the biggest scholar but to his credit, he also seems eager to please his coach. Basically, from what Ive gleamed, he seems like a guy who needs a lot of supervision or guidance.

Another option if Cody slides out of our reach is grabbing the best 3-4 ILB available. Brandon Spikes and Rolando McClain are the best options there. If only one comes out we might have to grab him in the mid-teens. If both do though we could very possibly trade back into the early second and still land McClain. This would be a big pickup because Andra Davis doesn't have a ton of years left and we've all seen how much better DJ plays when he's got a big hard hitting ILB paired with him to clean up a lot of the trash.

I like your thinking here. And it would be hard to complain about either. I think McClain might be a slightly better tackler but I also think Spikes does more other things like rushing the passer and coming up with INTs. Spikes played great in the LSU game and then it became noticeable when he was injured last week.

Outside of the first round I'd want us to focus our early picks on the interior OL and DEs. Jared Odrick, Tyson Alualu, Vince Oghobasse, D'Anthony Smith, and Corey Wootton all have the raw skill sets we'd look for in our 3-4 DEs. I'd be partial to Odrick, Oghobasse, and Wootton myself, the later being something of a DE/OLB tweener in the 3-4, but given some extra weight could be an Aaron Smith type of DE for us.

On the OL I'd like Jon Asamoah or Mike Johnson for OGs, Tennant, Walton, and Olsen (as a later rounder) for center.

I like the names you mentioned but also ODowd as a center is a guy I wouldnt mind seeing drafted. Again, the interior OLine seems like a more immediate need.

In practical execution I'd hope for the following, by round (in order of preference):

1st - Terrance Cody, Brandon Spikes
2nd - Rolando McClain, Matt Tennant, Jon Asamoah, Jared Odrick
3rd - Vince Oghobasse, Mike Johnson, J.D. Walton

If we could come away with the first three rounds giving us Cody, Asamoah, and Oghobasse I'd be very happy. If we can't get Cody at the top and traded back to the early 2nd and picked up another 3rd or something of the sort in the process to grab another guy off that list I'd be quite happy as well.

I would then want to see us spend the back half of the draft filling in long term depth. A 4th or 5th round QB to start developing would be nice, same with WR. A scat back type to eventually replace Buckhalter would be great too, especially one who can help Royal carry the load in returns. A power FB is something I didn't think I'd want going into this season, but with Hillis' poor play I'm warming up to the idea. A late round punter and/or kicker to compete in camp is also always welcome.

An example of the kind of guy I'd look for:

John Skelton, Fordham - 6'5", 256 pound QB with some athleticism. Probably a 4th or 5th rounder. Started 7 games as a true freshman, 11 as a sophomore, and 12 as a junior. You don't find many 21 year olds in college football who have 40 games of starting experience heading into their senior year. Strikes me as a McDaniels prototype.

Jordan Shipley and Jacoby Ford are two WRs I'd look for in late rounds. Noel Devine wouldn't be a bad RB target if he leaves school a year early.

I like a lot of what you said. Replies in bold.

oubronco
10-24-2009, 09:00 AM
the trenches and playmakers

PRBronco
10-24-2009, 09:33 AM
Let's say:
DE: I like our guys, but a talent infusion here would be the most noticeable upgrade.
C: No secret that Casey is old, a talented rook could also leapfrog Olsen to fill in at LG next season if Hamilton isn't brought back.
CB: Team isn't deep here, and they have to keep thinking about the future at this position.
NT: Developmental prospect.
K and or P: Camp competition/potential upgrade.

TonyR
10-24-2009, 10:07 AM
What's both very telling and very interesting is how few people mention the position most of us thought was going to be our biggest weakness and therefore biggest need by far: QB.

lex
10-24-2009, 10:11 AM
What's both very telling and very interesting is how few people mention the position most of us thought was going to be our biggest weakness and therefore biggest need by far: QB.

The idea of drafting a QB was going to meet with tension either way. Like I said before, if the season went well, Orton it would mean Orton was good enough. If the season turned out ugly, its doubtful people would be saying its ok for McDaniels to draft a QB after what happened with Cutler. Plus a young QB puts you further away from winning because of a learning curve. A lot of people wouldnt have had that kind of patience.

TonyR
10-24-2009, 10:24 AM
The idea of drafting a QB was going to meet with tension either way.

I agree, although if Orton bombed I think a lot of people would want to go that way. Adding to the intrigue now is that Bradford may fall because of the shoulder injury, but I still think there are enough teams with huge needs that he won't fall very far. Going to be a tough decision for somebody, hopefully/thankfully not for us!

Cool Breeze
10-24-2009, 10:39 AM
Here is the top 50 prospects @ SI
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/10/21/draft.prospects/index.html

A lot of good players from 17 -50

cutthemdown
10-24-2009, 10:48 AM
It's hard to know because we don't know how much the team thinks of the young olineman we have.

But we need more depth there, and more size, so I could see Center and guard being looked at.

More linebacking. Broncos will keep looking for bigger linebackers that can rush the passer and play coverage.

I think Broncos will continue to look at the Dline, to get bigger and more versatile. They will look for Dends big enough to play some DT on passing situations etc etc.

Also I think they keep looking for more speed at the WR position.

Carmelo15
10-24-2009, 11:35 AM
There are a few needs I think we will have next offseason. I am anticipating the Broncos to resign Champ, Orton, Doom, Marshall, and Kuper. This will cost a lot of money so we will not make any FA pickups outside of keeping our own guys. We will likely let Hamilton walk and Weigmann will likely retire.

This leaves interior O-Line as our most glaring and immediate position of need. It seems the Broncos are already high on Seth Olsen so I think he may be our starting LG next year.

Our next tier of needs will include NT, ILB, and DE. All of these positions have serviceable guys playing well for us this season but upgrades and depth would certainly be welcomed.
Our 3rd tier of needs is positions where we could use more depth but our starters are set. I would say these positions would include CB, OLB, WR, S and RB.

Last would be the positions where we have both solid starters and solid depth. In my opinion drafting a player would be a waste because the player likely would not even make the team. QB (Brandstater looks to be a solid backup we may only need to keep 2 next year), T, TE, FB (only need one, have a very good one McDaniels will come back around to him).

After breaking this down I expect to use our first and second round picks on the first two tiers of needs. The only exception would be if an elite talent (Eric Berry, Taylor Mays) unexpectedly fell to us. The rest of the draft will be used to get depth at our positions that were not yet addressed.

In the first round I want us to address G/C, NT, or ILB. Obviously if a G/C is drafted that high they are an elite talent so they would likely be ready to start from day one. When I say NT, I'm talking about one guy: Terrence Cody. While Ron Fields has been playing very well, Cody would certainly be an upgrade. He's the type of monster inside that can force regularly force double teams inside. This is a very hard to find and NT is also the most important position in a 3-4 defense. If he is available when we pick, it will be very hard to pass this guy up. At ILB, I'm talking about two guys. Brandon Spikes and Rolondo McClain. I really like both of these guys. Again Andra Davis has been doing well, but he isn't would I would call an impact player and that's the kind of output you expect out of your first round picks. Spikes is more of a pass rushing threat and better in coverage. He and D.J. would form the best ILB duo in the league. But I love McCain almost equally as much. He is a straight run stuffing beast at 6'4" 256. He is the type of player that hits with ferocity. At his size and speed (4.6), there is no wonder why. He is also an honor roll student so he's dummy. Getting one of these three guys on D would be my ideal scenario in the first. If for whatever reason all 3 of them are gone, I like us to trade back into the late 1st/early second and pick up that elite G/C.

Inkana7
10-24-2009, 12:03 PM
I like McClain better than Spkies because he would be a better replacement for Andra Davis(who is playing fantastic). Spikes is more of a D.J. clone.

OrangeCrush2724
10-24-2009, 12:46 PM
Biggest immediate need is heavier interior offensive linemen for the types of plays being called.

This short yardage issue is getting ridiculous.

Agreed. Our biggest failure is on 3rd and short. Get some more beef on the lines (offense and defense).

Hamrob
10-24-2009, 12:56 PM
Great thread! I think you have to build inside out. Shanny always did well on the Oline...but could not build the dline to save his life. I like what McDaniels has been able to patch together with so little time and such a big challenge.

That being said...we need help in our front seven and our secondary is getting long in the tooth. We need a stud center in the 2nd round.

1. DE/NT
2. C/WR/LB
3. CB/RB

~Crash~
10-24-2009, 01:09 PM
Really? So what if it happens that it's the Broncos pick and the best guy on their board is a LT? Nice logic there.............FAIL.

LT would be a all world Guard so..

Mogulseeker
10-24-2009, 01:16 PM
Everybody always loves looking ahead to the drafts, especially when your team sucks. Our doesn't but it is a bye week so we can have a bit of fun and relax. If the season ended today and you had to be Josh, how would you evaluate the upcoming draft? Just pretend we re-signed all our key players and no major injuries were sustained during the season.

Alot of guys are playing well and even role players and backups are doing great. But just for fun, what positions would you be looking at in the draft looking forward.

Here's mine.

NT - gotta be our #1 true need. Looking for that big time stud at NT could really help provide this defense even more dominance in the future.

C - Casey is solid but grooming a dominate and larger center could be ideal.

LG - Many seem to think Hamilton is the weak link in the line.

P - duh

WR - Stokely is getting older and with a throw first offense, it makes sense.

DE - McBean is doing a good job but looking for more talent and depth here would be smart.

Pretty valid assessment, but I would number it like this:

1. - LG - Hamilton was a good zone blocker, but he's getting mauled in this new system.

2. - C - I don't really care about a "dominating" center. I just think Casey is getting old, and a cerebral guy here would be ideal.

3. - NT/DL - Fields is the man, but we could use depth.

4. - S - Dawkins is 36. Hill is solid, but also old. Obviously McBath is awesome. Bruton?

I'd say put off on the WR, Marshall-Royal-Gaffney will work when Stokes is gone... we aren't PEGGED to the Pats system. With Graham, Quinn, and Scheffeler, why not run some two TE sets? Notice how Tony has been lining up in the flanker? Yea, he's practically a WR now.

Mogulseeker
10-24-2009, 01:19 PM
S
Dawkins (he'll be around for a while yet)
Hill
McBath
Bruton
Barrett

Obviously B-Dawk hasn't shown signs of slowing down, other than injuries. But I still give him two years tops.

lex
10-24-2009, 02:20 PM
Id like to see us walk away with O'Dowd, Wisnewski, or Tennant as a center. Sometiimes its too easy to get caught up on where we drafted a past great rather than what his value actually was. Nalen was a huge part of our great running teams that won SBs. We could roll the dice on someone later in the draft and hope they turn out like Nalen. Or we most likely would be better served just drafting a first round guy than someone in the 6th and hope theyre a first round guy. I would really like it if we started drafting interior OLine in the first 3 rounds. To a large degree, these guys are the difference between scoring TDs in the red zone and kicking FGs. The same could also be said about 3rd and 1s.

underrated29
10-24-2009, 03:55 PM
i disagree with those who say Cb or S is a need or something high on the list. IMO those two are the last positions.

S- dawk,hill,bruton,mcbath,barrett,(lowry?)

CB-champ,goodman (5yr contract?),phonz,jmfw,carter,bell? did i miss someone? Yes, i agree we will take a flyer on one later in the draft, but i doubt its anywhere before the 4th. We are set at both. Lots of other positions to be had.

QB- simms is a great backup, and brandstater is our long term project. Yes, someone will probably be brought in to compete, but imo another late round or FA.

elsid13
10-24-2009, 04:12 PM
What's both very telling and very interesting is how few people mention the position most of us thought was going to be our biggest weakness and therefore biggest need by far: QB.

Orton has had two good games, therefore the mane thinks he is the answer. That will turn as the season goes along and DCs get enough film on this offense to force Orton into throws he is not comfortable with.

iforgotmypassword
10-24-2009, 04:57 PM
?????Bradford, Dez Bryant, Jhavon Best - for this team, you only get one ?????

I'd be real real tempted with Bradford, probably take him, but jesus we could find some ways to get Best out in the open, use him kinda like the Saints use Bush

I pick Bradford

Bronco Warrior
10-24-2009, 05:37 PM
Bradford isn't as talented or durable as say a Jake Locker who is big and mobile and has a Gun! Max Hall from BYU is custom made for this system but I don't like how he has tended to choke in some big games! He is smart and tough and more than mobile enough, but again hasn't played well in huge games..although he did dominate OU in the opener. Locker is still my first choice lol

Bronco Warrior
10-24-2009, 05:40 PM
PS> If Hall leads a comeback against TCU in the second half here I'll take back what I said about big games...lol!

azbroncfan
10-24-2009, 08:34 PM
BPA focusing in on OL, DL, LB. Lets keep building the trenches. I think the OL could use an upgrade at LG and needs a future stud C. DL can never have enough talent and lets get some more depth/starter for the LB's.

NFLBRONCO
10-24-2009, 08:52 PM
What's both very telling and very interesting is how few people mention the position most of us thought was going to be our biggest weakness and therefore biggest need by far: QB.

Simple McD likes Orton so I don't see QB being targeted unless Orton totally flops the rest of the season. Do I want a QB yes but, don't expect it to happen for a few years.

Missouribronc
10-24-2009, 09:26 PM
Just for fun, I'd like to see lex admit he's a ****ing idiot.

Just for fun...

Tell me how Spagnuolo should be our coach.

****ing idiot.

Missouribronc
10-24-2009, 09:34 PM
Bradford isn't as talented or durable as say a Jake Locker who is big and mobile and has a Gun! Max Hall from BYU is custom made for this system but I don't like how he has tended to choke in some big games! He is smart and tough and more than mobile enough, but again hasn't played well in huge games..although he did dominate OU in the opener. Locker is still my first choice lol

lol...

Now tell me how BYU is the reason the Broncos won the Super Bowl...

Max Hall sucks. Period. (if we're going to take it on a NFL level)

Pat Bowlen
10-24-2009, 09:44 PM
Just for fun, I'd like to see lex admit he's a ****ing idiot.

Just for fun...

Tell me how Spagnuolo should be our coach.

****ing idiot.
That sounds fun and on topic!

worm
10-24-2009, 11:52 PM
I want a physical difference maker on D and another project QB to push Simms and Brandy.

I like Spoon and Spikes for the middle of the D, Cody for the Nose.....and I really, really like Colin Kaepernick to compete with Brandy.

Mark it down...Colin will be a starter in the NFL. Just remember to buy me drinks when this prediction comes true.

Killericon
10-25-2009, 12:20 AM
#1: NT
#2: DE
#3: G/C
#4: MLB
#5: CB

Yeah.

BroncoMan4ever
10-25-2009, 12:40 AM
Well you know at least 4 guys from the new draft are going to stick. Nobody ever gives up their picks just because they like who they have on the team. Even if we do very well in the playoffs, there's no doubt going to be a few guys that we like who get cut because of the new picks.

I'm guessing some of the older guys won't make it next year. Stokely, Holliday, maybe Hamilton or Weigman (I think one of those 2 won't be back).

But I could see where we trade some picks for the following year.

Stokley will be back unless he hits his wall and his production tails off and he is no longer of use. if he can continue to play his role as the slot receiver well he will be back

Holliday is a guy i can see being gone. he is here mainly for veteran leadership in the transition to a 3-4. and with the more than likely addition of younger DEs that fit the 3-4 mold and with the DEs who remain on the roster from this seasons defense, he will have already given his knowledge of the position which they can pass on to the new guys.

Hamilton is gone. i like him and always have, but he lacks the strength and size to continue as a starter on this line which is getting younger, bigger and stronger. his game is based on quickness, and McDaniels scheme is based on size and power

Weigman is an interesting case. i believe he comes back for next season as the old timer on the line, but more to be a tutor to the player who will take his job the following season
plus with the deal he signed this past offseason, wouldn't we owe him a good chunk of change if we dumped him in favor of youth before the 2 years on his deal are up?

BroncoMan4ever
10-25-2009, 12:58 AM
#1: NT
#2: DE
#3: G/C
#4: MLB
#5: CB

Yeah.

depth on the lines, offense and defense, because Hamilton needs to be replaced and Weigman needs to teach his replacement.

depth and impact playmakers on both sides of the ball are the main things we need to draft for. there aren't really big glaring needs that this team is showing it needs right now. but being as it is only now week 7, it isn't sure if that will stay the same all year,

Drek
10-25-2009, 03:14 AM
Nice idea.

Wotton is at 285 or so I don't see him moving to OLB position. Personally I hoping that Bailey (UM) comes out, he raw but he has great upside. And the Broncos have already sent scouts to look at Skelton.

Obviously Wootton can't play OLB in an NFL 3-4. While the term 'tweener' is typically applied to smallish 4-3 DEs coming out I find that entirely inaccurate, since while those players are tweeners in a 4-3 defense only, not quite fitting LB or DE, they are in fact tailor made for the 3-4 OLB spot. They aren't tweeners, they're just being put in the wrong system.

Wootton is very thin for his height. If he was a little lighter and faster he could be a 3-4 OLB, but he's not and guys just don't magically add explosive speed. That same limitation makes him a poor fit as a 4-3 DE because his long frame would make it hard for him to anchor on the strong side at his current weight, and he doesn't have the requisite skills to be a weak side pass rusher.

His ideal position would be to add 10-15 pounds and become a DE in the 3-4 or 4-3. At that point his height is perfect for what teams look for in 3-4 DEs, where they need a limited number of guys to disrupt passing lanes.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-25-2009, 08:03 AM
I'm hoping we get Marc Mariani, WR, Montana. Touchdown machine. Short, fast, can return kicks as well as be a third or fourth option at wideout.

http://www.jerekwolcott.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/mariani.jpg
Plus, he's white, so BF7 will actually be allowed to like him.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-25-2009, 08:05 AM
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Broncoman13
10-25-2009, 09:32 AM
Everybody always loves looking ahead to the drafts, especially when your team sucks. Our doesn't but it is a bye week so we can have a bit of fun and relax. If the season ended today and you had to be Josh, how would you evaluate the upcoming draft? Just pretend we re-signed all our key players and no major injuries were sustained during the season.

Alot of guys are playing well and even role players and backups are doing great. But just for fun, what positions would you be looking at in the draft looking forward.

Here's mine.

NT - gotta be our #1 true need. Looking for that big time stud at NT could really help provide this defense even more dominance in the future.

C - Casey is solid but grooming a dominate and larger center could be ideal.

LG - Many seem to think Hamilton is the weak link in the line.

P - duh

WR - Stokely is getting older and with a throw first offense, it makes sense.

DE - McBean is doing a good job but looking for more talent and depth here would be smart.


Pretty good list and I agree with you... Don't sleep on Kenny McKinley though. That kid can play and will be ready for the 3rd receiver role when Stokes is ready to hang up the cleats. I think we may look for a dynamic playmaker though. A guy like Noel Divine or CJ Spiller. Somebody that only gets a handful of touches per game but the defense must account for. Both will be much cheaper than Reggie Bush but have a similar affect. Might even be able to get those guys in the 2nd round though I have my doubts b/c of what Chris Johnson has done since coming into the league.

I'd say I would go with a stud NT in the first if there was one there. If not then a guy that can play either of the DE positions. Suh, McCoy, Cody... if any of those guys are available in the first I'd love to have'em. After that, Divine or Spiller. If they aren't there in the 2nd, I start looking at that USC OLine. Those guys are maulers and they are well coached and prepared for the NFL. Same thing in the 3rd round.

iforgotmypassword
10-25-2009, 11:34 AM
I'm hoping we get Marc Mariani, WR, Montana. Touchdown machine. Short, fast, can return kicks as well as be a third or fourth option at wideout.

http://www.jerekwolcott.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/mariani.jpg
Plus, he's white, so BF7 will actually be allowed to like him.


Played High School ball with Mariani, against him anyways, and some all-star games with him, he's the real deal, can get a ball anywhere on the feild and turn it into a touchdown, just watch any of the griz games he's a complete play-maker, I dont know what his 40 times will be but he was a state champion sprinter in high school, and he has amazing practice habits and work ethic and LEADERSHIP great great late round pick, if we did draft him i call dibs on adopt a bronco

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-25-2009, 12:04 PM
Played High School ball with Mariani, against him anyways, and some all-star games with him, he's the real deal, can get a ball anywhere on the feild and turn it into a touchdown, just watch any of the griz games he's a complete play-maker, I dont know what his 40 times will be but he was a state champion sprinter in high school, and he has amazing practice habits and work ethic and LEADERSHIP great great late round pick, if we did draft him i call dibs on adopt a bronco

You're going to have to arm wrestle me for it. As a former Grizzly myself, I've got a lot of love for the kid.

iforgotmypassword
10-25-2009, 12:32 PM
oh yeah... one time i played a position called "Chase Reynolds Spy".... god i'm cool

TheReverend
10-25-2009, 01:49 PM
Interior offensive line, defensive line anywhere, inside linebacker, corner, safety

Rock Chalk
10-25-2009, 02:14 PM
Im going on the assumption that we resign all awesome players that need to be resigned (Kuper, Marshall, Dumervil, et. al.)

Position by Position breakdown:
WR: Not so sure we need one. Marshall, Royal are locks for next year, Stokely still has a year or two left in the tank IMO, plus Gaffney and then some up and comers in McKinley.

O-Line: Hamilton is the weak-link on this o-line but as fontaine mentioned, struggling against an all pro like Wilfork is going to happen. Still I can see a LG being taken. Also Center because Weigmann is long in the tooth.

RB: Im sure an RB will be taken later in the draft but for now, Moreno is the man and Buckhalter is our relief guy and I see no reason to change that. Depth is good enough here.

QB: Orton, Simms, Brandstater. I believe Brandstater to be the future at some point. He has the skills, he's just raw and a few years in the league grooming him may be enough so I dont see us taking a QB.

DT/DE: This is the most likely IF there is a player available that fits the scheme in our slot in the first round. Depth is important here as these guys take a beating every year.

LBs: Contrary to popular opinion, I think we are good here. Doom is excellent and Ayers is young and showing a ton of promise already. Haggan, Reid and Moss provide good enough depth there. Inside we may need to address some things but our starters are gold. Davis and Williams on the Inside I can live with for as long as they play.

CB: I think we are good here. Champ is getting older but he is still awesome. Goodman has played well and Fonz and JMFW have already shown that they can grow into starting roles. For now this is fine.

Safety: McBath is a good young safety, but we need one more to groom under Dawkins and Hill for the future so I see us taking a safety in the 3rd round or later.

NFLBRONCO
10-25-2009, 02:23 PM
I see DE/DT G/C and WR McD's #1 round 1 targets. Denver imo needs another breakaway wr for this type of offense McD runs.

Houshyamama
10-25-2009, 02:34 PM
DE, or WR in the first. Unless someone such as Eric Berry or someone else projected as an all-pro falls into our lap.

But the smartest thing (and the likely thing) is that we trade down and accumulate picks. This is going to be an incredibly deep draft, so having multiple 2nds would be legit.

I don't think taking a WR in the first is a great decision. Do we really want to tie up that much money at WR? (Pay both Marsall and 1st round money to a WR), not to mention eventually having to pay Royal.....