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BMarsh615
10-21-2009, 02:58 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11447166
By Woody Paige
The Denver Post

Posted: 01/14/2009 12:30:00 AM MST

It must be downright discouraging and demoralizing for somebody who has served as a defensive coordinator, then head coach, for 14 1/2 seasons — with five different teams — yet reached the playoffs only TWO of those years, won more than 10 games just once, had a losing record in eight seasons (and only four or five victories four times), was fired several times and, in the biggest game all his teams played, saw the defense reduced to ashes (44 points).

Say hello again to Mike Nolan, your new defensive coordinator.

He is Josh McDaniels' first hire.

The Broncos' most critical need was an extraordinary defensive coordinator, and they get an offensive coordinator, who brings in, for the Broncos, another ordinary defensive coordinator. The Broncos selected a baby-faced coach, and he selects a second-hand coach.

It's inexplicable.

Except Nolan does wear a Reebok suit-and-tie on the sidelines. Reebok will not measure up to Armani in men's fashion, and Nolan cannot be confused for Joe Collier in defensive coordinating.

McDaniels and Nolan will be Hoodie and the Blowfish.

The faithful of the Orange are crushed by the McDecision.

Mike Shanahan must be amused, as are Bob Slowik, Jim Bates, Larry Coyer, Ray Rhodes, Greg Robinson and Wade Phillips.

Robinson looks pretty good in comparison. He was the Broncos' defensive coordinator in the 1990s when they won two Super Bowls. Joe Collier looks even better. He was a coach with the Broncos for 20 seasons (and briefly was Bill Belichick's boss), the architect of the 1970s Orange Crush defense and defensive coordinator in the Broncos' first three Super Bowls.

Nolan was given his NFL start as an obscure special-teams assistant with the Broncos in 1987 and later served as linebackers coach until 1992.

He coached under Collier and Phillips, two of the NFL's all-time best defensive coordinators.

The 49-year-old Nolan is not.

As a young aide-de-camp with the Broncos, he coached in eight postseason games (5-3 record), including two Super Bowls and one AFC championship defeat.

Since departing (fired) and being promoted (under his mentor, Dan Reeves), Nolan has coached in three playoff games (1-2), no Super Bowls and one NFC championship (the 44-3 defeat by the Giants in 1993).

With Nolan as the defensive coordinator, the Giants did not return to the playoffs the next three years. He was employed by Washington for three seasons (1997-99), and the team did not make the playoffs.

He was the Jets' coordinator in 2000. They did not make the playoffs. He became wide receivers coach in Baltimore in 2001 and was defensive coordinator in 2002. The Ravens made the playoffs once in his three years and lost their only game. They won the Super Bowl the year before he arrived, mainly because of defense, and are in the AFC championship game this season, primarily because of their defense.

Nolan was named the 49ers' head coach in 2005. He won fewer than half his games, and did not make the playoffs, before being fired after seven games (2-5) this season. In San Francisco Nolan's defenses ranked, in points allowed, Nos. 30, 32, 20 and 23. They permitted 30 points or more 18 times.

Nolan and McDaniels are proponents of the 3-4 (three linemen, four linebackers) base defense, which will be brought back to Denver. Both can trace their obsession with the scheme to Denver.

Bud Wilkinson created the 3-4, known then as the 5-2, with Oklahoma in the 1940s, and another Oklahoma coach, Chuck Fairbanks, took it to the Patriots in 1973. Collier refined the defensive setup and installed it with the Broncos in 1976 because he had a linebacking corps of Randy Gradishar, Tom Jackson, Bob Swenson and Joe Rizzo, a man mountain at nose tackle in Rubin Carter, a pass-rushing demon in Lyle Alzado at one end and solid tackler Barney Chavous on the other end. The next season, with the same cast and strong backups, Collier and coach Red Miller set a goal of holding opponents to 17 points or fewer. They accomplished that unbelievable feat in 14 of 17 games.

Belichick learned the 3-4 during his short stint (as a game film cutter) with the Broncos in 1978. He has enhanced it, and McDaniels learned it as a defensive assistant with the Patriots. Nolan learned the 3-4 when he was a Collier assistant.

The future of McDaniels and Nolan will depend on the 3-4, tried and trashed by the Broncos temporarily last season, but they have to depend more on exceptional unrestricted free agents and a No. 1 pick on defense who can step in immediately. The Broncos, despite a plethora of linebackers, could use one more who can stop the run (Channing Crowder), and they must find a starting safety (oft-injured Mike Brown) or two, another corner (Nnamdi Asomugha) and two defensive linemen (Julius Peppers, Bertrand Berry).

And Mike Nolan has to prove why Broncophiles should not be down- wrong discouraged and demoralized.

^5

OABB
10-21-2009, 03:03 PM
woody is such a hack.

broncocalijohn
10-21-2009, 03:05 PM
Wow. I dont know what McDaniels has but it is called instincts. Maybe A gut feeling. Whatever it is, it is true to form.

Bronx33
10-21-2009, 03:09 PM
Mike Shanahan must be amused, as are Bob Slowik


just a stupid sentence in retrospect woody.

Gcver2ver3
10-21-2009, 03:17 PM
sheez...

talk about a swing and a miss...

TheReverend
10-21-2009, 03:24 PM
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr12/HammettSHREDZ/Fat_guy_chair_fall.gif



Not that I'm one to talk about off-season misses.

loborugger
10-21-2009, 03:44 PM
Has he yet updated his "Denver's only gonna win 3 games this year" take?

Dukes
10-21-2009, 04:28 PM
Woody's gunna want that article back. Epic fail.

NYBronco
10-21-2009, 04:39 PM
Woody lost his best friend in Shanahan and now has to work for his stories.

Pony Boy
10-21-2009, 04:39 PM
It's been a bad year for Woody

fdf
10-21-2009, 04:44 PM
It's been a bad year for Woody

That's as embarassing as articles get. More embarassing would involve fairly extreme states of undress in public and lots of laughter directed at the size of something or the other.

DomCasual
10-21-2009, 04:49 PM
Well, Woody predicts 16-0 most years. This year, he picked three wins.

I think there's a trend developing here.

theAPAOps5
10-21-2009, 04:54 PM
Vonnie Holliday has brought up several times a story about a Denver Reporter telling him when he first came to Denver that the front 7 was complete garbage. I really think it was Woodie Paige.

ColoradoDarin
10-21-2009, 05:10 PM
Looks like Woody picked the wrong week to stop sniffin' glue.

BroncoBuff
10-21-2009, 05:34 PM
That's an old column ...

Tombstone RJ
10-21-2009, 05:39 PM
Looks like Woody picked the wrong week to stop sniffin' glue.

ROFL!

Epic Fail on Woody's part. Good Lord, I feel dummer for just trying to read it. Seriously, where's the editor for the Denver Post?

What a complete crap article.

orinjkrush
10-21-2009, 05:40 PM
truth be told, not many could/did predict this turn about. just amazing.

Killericon
10-21-2009, 05:47 PM
That's an old column ...

I thought that was obvious...I HOPE it was.

Merlin
10-21-2009, 06:20 PM
In all fairness, if his facts are correct (which I'm not going to bother checking), then his concerns are valid. And like Bowlen, McD is incredibly good at gauging coaches and must have recognized that Nolan's prior record could either be explained away, or he had become much better because of them (i.e. he learned from them).

Pony Boy
10-21-2009, 07:06 PM
Nolan is a victim of the The Peter Principle, in that "In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence". It was obvious he was not capable of executing his duties as a head coach and was fired several times. He's a great assistant coach when he can apply himself to one area. I hope he doesn't take the bait again when other teams come knocking on the door asking him to be a Head Coach. In most case the employee will take the promotion and fail miserably again and again.....

Kaylore
10-21-2009, 07:07 PM
Nolan's defenses have always been good. He's just one of those guys who's a better coordinator than a head coach.

Bronco Warrior
10-21-2009, 07:31 PM
If the guy thought Nolan was a bad DC he is stupid beyond belief! Key fact that shoulda given it away, nolan's defenses averaged 32 TO's per year AVERAGE! Only the Ravens last year topped that with 34.... only 2 better than Nolan's AVERAge...lead the league! Woody Shut your VagHole!

baja
10-21-2009, 07:34 PM
I thought that was obvious...I HOPE it was.

Not to at least one of the responders.

Bronco Warrior
10-21-2009, 07:37 PM
If the guy thought Nolan was a bad DC he is stupid beyond belief! Key fact that shoulda given it away, nolan's defenses averaged 32 TO's per year AVERAGE! Only the Ravens last year topped that with 34.... only 2 better than Nolan's AVERAge...lead the league! Woody Shut your VagHole!

Dr. Broncenstein
10-21-2009, 07:37 PM
I wanted Nolan as the head coach. Pretty happy with the results, but I wonder how long we can keep Nolan around.

BroncoFiend
10-21-2009, 07:53 PM
I wanted Nolan as the head coach. Pretty happy with the results, but I wonder how long we can keep Nolan around.

The biggest thing working in our favor is the fact that a lot of big name coaches are out there for next season. Shanny, Holmgren, Cowher, Gruden, Billick just to name a few.

Bronco Warrior
10-21-2009, 08:06 PM
If the guy thought Nolan was a bad DC he is stupid beyond belief! Key fact that shoulda given it away, nolan's defenses averaged 32 TO's per year AVERAGE! Only the Ravens last year topped that with 34.... only 2 better than Nolan's AVERAge...led the league! Woody Shut your VagHole!

Paladin
10-21-2009, 10:21 PM
That's an old column ...

Well played, sport......

Paladin
10-21-2009, 10:24 PM
one more time!!!!!






if the guy thought nolan was a bad dc he is stupid beyond belief! Key fact that shoulda given it away, nolan's defenses averaged 32 to's per year average! Only the ravens last year topped that with 34.... Only 2 better than nolan's average...led the league! Woody shut your vaghole!

BroncoMan4ever
10-21-2009, 10:33 PM
Wow. I dont know what McDaniels has but it is called instincts. Maybe A gut feeling. Whatever it is, it is true to form.

Woody is an idiot. Nolan has always been a premier DC in this league. he laid the foundation for the Ravens defense years ago that made them the defensive juggernaut they have been for a long time.

in SF it wasn't that he was a bad defensive mind, it is just that he possibly doesn't have it in him to oversee everything that an HC has to. also it was his 1st HC job and very few succeed the 1st time.

Pontius Pirate
10-22-2009, 05:59 AM
Guys, guys - Woody can't write spot-on analysis AND sexually harass people at the same time. Give him a break!

Beantown Bronco
10-22-2009, 06:12 AM
Nolan's defenses have always been good. He's just one of those guys who's a better coordinator than a head coach.

Good luck convincing my buddy who's a Redskins fan.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-22-2009, 06:28 AM
As far as coaching histories, anyone else see some parallels between Nolan and Steelers DC - Dick LeBeau?

LeBeau was Head Coach of the Bengals for 2 years and openly says he DOES NOT want to be HC again, he likes coaching the Defense too much, and the Bengals sucked with him as HC!

barryr
10-22-2009, 06:32 AM
When Paige has nothing to do, he seems to decide to get attention to write something stupid that makes sense to only those that don't follow sports much.

ColoradoDarin
10-22-2009, 06:39 AM
I thought that was obvious...I HOPE it was.

You mean that McDaniels didn't just hire his DC 5 weeks into the season??

:~ohyah!: