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Rulon Velvet Jones
10-21-2009, 02:06 PM
Prater on notice? Or just needing a better kickoff specialist?

BMarsh615
10-21-2009, 02:07 PM
He is a punter, I don't know what that has to do with Prater.

broncofan7
10-21-2009, 02:08 PM
He is a punter, I don't know what that has to do with Prater.

YUP--we have worked out a few punters since the season began..I wonder

KevinJames
10-21-2009, 02:08 PM
Kern on notice and I would say rightfully so

bowtown
10-21-2009, 02:10 PM
Kern on notice and I would say rightfully so

Why?

_Oro_
10-21-2009, 02:10 PM
yup Kern is stinking it up. I think that Sproles TD is on him.

Rulon Velvet Jones
10-21-2009, 02:11 PM
Minnesota Vikings

Perhaps Berger's best seasons came as a member of the Minnesota Vikings in the late 1990s. He was most noted for his booming kickoffs, which often sailed into the end zone for touchbacks; afterwards, he would take a bite of his Snickers bar that he kept in his spare shoe on the sideline.[1]

BroncoBuff
10-21-2009, 02:11 PM
GLORY COLORADO!



Can a mod fix the all-caps problem?

LittleFloyd
10-21-2009, 02:12 PM
Kern is kicking well for distance, but his low punts are getting more dangerous. See the Sproles return on Monday as a good reason.

Beantown Bronco
10-21-2009, 02:12 PM
Kern is great at straight ahead booming punts, but can't pooch or coffin corner punt to save his life. Any time we're near midfield, it's basically a given that it's going into or through the EZ for a touchback. When our coverage teams sucked, that was fine; but they are good this year, so we need someone who can drop it inside the 10 at least once or twice a game.

baja
10-21-2009, 02:20 PM
Kern is great at straight ahead booming punts, but can't pooch or coffin corner punt to save his life. Any time we're near midfield, it's basically a given that it's going into or through the EZ for a touchback. <b> When our coverage teams sucked, that was fine; but they are good this year, so we need someone who can drop it inside the 10 at least once or twice a game.

This is an amazing team in the sense it gets so much better every week. I am surprised this is not a talking point with this Broncos team. The ST play is getting better by leaps and bounds. I'm not talking about the run backs although they are very nice I impressed with the coverage, it gets better and better every week.

broncocalijohn
10-21-2009, 02:24 PM
Kern is kicking well for distance, but his low punts are getting more dangerous. See the Sproles return on Monday as a good reason.

His kick to sproles was low but also to the side of the field. The coverage has a huge advantage. I dont mind bringing in someone as punters and kickers are always challenged since many are interchangable. His kicks in the endzone are not helping us. I know the Cowboys punter is good at dropping the ball inside the 20.

cutthemdown
10-21-2009, 02:26 PM
Special team better? We gave up another kick return. Sure broncos making some big plays on special teams but we gave a return, fumbled a return, and still give up quite a few that are bigger then you would like.

IMO it's still a problem and only slightly better. Prater been decent FG I can't complain too much even though he isn't super consistent.

Kern kills me though. I mean he rockets ones to far, and too low when he has a chance to pin teams. The result is a net 20, net 30 when the ball rockets into end zone.

He landed a couple around the 2-3 yrd line that were smoking so fast no way it is going to be downed unless you get a great special teams play by one of the coverage guys.

If you are punting from the 50, IMO you want that ball high, and coming down around the 7-10 yrd like. Make the returner have to play good football, put pressure on them to make the right decision.

Not this touchback crap. Too bad Orton can't pooch punt. I would love to see a 4th down wildcat were we fake going for it and instead pooch punt and they have no returner.

cutthemdown
10-21-2009, 02:29 PM
His kick to sproles was low but also to the side of the field. The coverage has a huge advantage. I dont mind bringing in someone as punters and kickers are always challenged since many are interchangable. His kicks in the endzone are not helping us. I know the Cowboys punter is good at dropping the ball inside the 20.

Well we just let him go right down the sideline. The player on that side didn't set the edge, instead he let 2 blockers set the edge on him. After that Sproles speed sort of made the others look bad.

Sometimes you can be going to fast for your own good when you reach the point of attack. I think that is what happened to Hillis.

It's important to run fast, but also you have to be able to concentrate and know what you need to do in every situation.

IMO Hillis was just running and then hoping to make as big of a collision as he could. Sometimes you need to be thinking make sure returner doesnt get outside of you.

Swedish Extrovert
10-21-2009, 02:29 PM
Too many touchbacks... bring back Colquitt.

underrated29
10-21-2009, 03:06 PM
i know he is listed as punter, but i think its about prater.

Maybe i am wrong. but josh didnt look to happy with prater last game. Esp when he didnt hit the endzone once on his kickoffs.



And then that poster posted the thing about berger booming kickoffs for TBs and eating a snickers he has in his other shoe.



I think prater might be on notice. Or we can cut kern if berg can punt as decent as he, and then also use kern on kickoffs. Not sure-what do i know, we arent seeing these guys in practice. Glad we are fixing issues though.

Broncosfreak_56
10-21-2009, 04:35 PM
I seem to remember colquitt consistently kicking punts inside the 20 during the preseason.

BroncoBuff
10-21-2009, 04:41 PM
And then that poster posted the thing about berger booming kickoffs for TBs and eating a snickers he has in his other shoe.
???

Popps
10-21-2009, 04:42 PM
It kills me that no one angle-punts anymore.

You're punting from your own 45. Turn 30 degrees one way or the other and angle the ****ing thing toward the pylon. How ****ing hard is that? Punters did that regularly when I was a kid. Somewhere along the line, the whole punt-straight and try to down it at the 1-inch line thing became the new way. Great if you can do it, but it sure feels like you end up with a lot of net-30 yard punts trying that ****.

Angle the thing towards the sideline. Kick it out at the 10. Done deal.

atomicbloke
10-21-2009, 04:43 PM
Maybe i am wrong. but josh didnt look to happy with prater last game. Esp when he didnt hit the endzone once on his kickoffs.


He was kicking at sea-level in the last game.

It's hard to kick it through the end zone consistently at sea-level.

atomicbloke
10-21-2009, 04:44 PM
It kills me that no one angle-punts anymore.

You're punting from your own 45. Turn 30 degrees one way or the other and angle the ****ing thing toward the pylon. How ****ing hard is that? Punters did that regularly when I was a kid. Somewhere along the line, the whole punt-straight and try to down it at the 1-inch line thing became the new way. Great if you can do it, but it sure feels like you end up with a lot of net-30 yard punts trying that ****.

Angle the thing towards the sideline. Kick it out at the 10. Done deal.

Coffin corner punts are even harder to pull off.

The best way to go is to get a lot of hang-time and force a fair catch inside the 20.

BroncoBuff
10-21-2009, 04:52 PM
Too many touchbacks... bring back Colquitt.
I hate touchbacks ... why can't punters just kick the ball short? Hell, angle way from the returner and bounce the damn thing at the 30 - give it a chance to roll. Even if it stops at the 25 it was worth the risk. Tom-freaking-Rouen was the worst ever ... he would kick it 5 yards into the end zone, then dramatically slap his helmet, like "awww, just missed!" Just missed, my ass ... he's worried about his stats. He did the same thing here in Seattle ... yeah yeah fine, Tom, nice try.

I think punter's net yardage calculation should reward inside-20 placement by:

a) crediting all the yardage to the goal line
b) plus an extra yard for every yard beyond the 20
c) penalizing yards for touchbacks

CSU Husker
10-21-2009, 05:30 PM
Coffin corner punts are even harder to pull off.

The best way to go is to get a lot of hang-time and force a fair catch inside the 20.

Why not do both??? Kick it high AND towards the corner. If one of them works you are in good shape. Cant be any worse than what we do now, punting it thru the endzone almost every time.

mr007
10-21-2009, 05:50 PM
Why not do both??? Kick it high AND towards the corner. If one of them works you are in good shape. Cant be any worse than what we do now, punting it thru the endzone almost every time.

It's because of the dual accuracy you have to have (distance + sideline). If you're only worrying about distance and having enough air under it so the return man doesn't have a shot, it's much easier.

CSU Husker
10-21-2009, 05:53 PM
It's because of the dual accuracy you have to have (distance + sideline). If you're only worrying about distance and having enough air under it so the return man doesn't have a shot, it's much easier.

Ok, so kick it the same as if your trying to down it, just turn towards the corner of the endzone. Then when the idiot blasts it like he normally does, and it would go flying thru the endzone, maybe it goes out at the 5 yard line instead.

dextermilo
10-21-2009, 06:07 PM
It's because of the dual accuracy you have to have (distance + sideline). If you're only worrying about distance and having enough air under it so the return man doesn't have a shot, it's much easier.

This.

It is hard to punt strait and with distance/air. So if you attempt for angling the ball out inside the 20 and the ball goes out of bounds at the 30, you look like a moron (used to happen a lot more).

It used to be a lot more common for punters to angle the ball low and towards the sideline (easier for accuracy). If you miss that and kick it in bounds you setup bad things like blocks or Sproles returning for a TD.

Beantown Bronco
10-22-2009, 06:47 AM
It just amazes me how few good punters there are in the entire world. Seriously, what is there? A handful or so? Hundreds graduate from Div I and I-AA every year and maybe 3 or 4 get drafted or come in as UDFAs.....with MAYBE 1 or 2 actually panning out to be an ok player. That doesn't even include the pool of guys in Europe or Australia that play rugby or Aussie rules but aren't good enough to go pro over there and try their luck over here.

outdoor_miner
10-22-2009, 08:30 AM
Not sure why people think this is about Prater. Prater's kickoffs have been generally really good, and in the San Diego game, neither he nor Kaeding had a touchback, and Kaeding's considered to be a good kicker, right? I think that's just a tough place for any kicker to boom one into the end zone.

Also, here's a little snippet from the Yahoo Team Report indicating McDaniels and Priefer weren't too pleased with Kern on the Sproles punt return:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=teamreports-2009-nfl-den&prov=sportsxchange&type=team_report

P Brett Kern(notes) drew the ire of special teams coordinator Mike Priefer and got a talking to from Josh McDaniels after San Diego’s Darren Sproles(notes) returned a punt for a touchdown. Kern has been good at times this season but a bit inconsistent.

I believe they also weren't too pleased with Kern after the Cinci game. I get the feeling his days are numbered.

Rock Chalk
10-22-2009, 08:33 AM
Kern is kicking well for distance, but his low punts are getting more dangerous. See the Sproles return on Monday as a good reason.

Sproles return on Monday is a result of poor coverage more than the punter.

Hills blew his lane assignment AND there was no safety behind the blocking.