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TonyR
10-21-2009, 06:57 AM
Brett Favre and Kyle Orton: Why the hate?
They deserve respect for how they have played
Rick Morrissey

October 21, 2009

It appears the Brett Favre-haters have been reduced to waiting for him to get injured. It doesn't seem like a very fulfilling way to live, but that would presume these people have lives.

It appears the Kyle Orton-haters will have to settle for rooting solely for Jay Cutler's success instead of perversely hoping for the worst for Orton as well. And here they thought this was going to be a package deal.

The supply of villains must be really, really thin. Whatever happened to the good old days when you could root against a guy who drowns pit bulls? People are left to be outraged at a man whose biggest sin is career indecisiveness and at another who had the nerve to get traded to a team that has found a way to utilize his talents.

Neither man sounds very fiendish to me, but what do I know?

Going into the season, the situation was ripe for schadenfreude -- the enjoyment of other people's misfortune -- but Orton and Favre have gone and spoiled it by succeeding. Some of you eagerly anticipated their failure, but it hasn't arrived. Judging by my e-mail inbox, some of you still crave that failure, but all you have to show for it are hunger pangs.

So allow me to take some pleasure in your discomfort. You're having a hard time finding your way out of this.

You hate Favre because he couldn't make up his mind on staying retired. Turns out there was a good reason for his waffling: He still can play.

You hate Favre because you interpret his jumping around after a touchdown as evidence he's starved for attention -- even though he always seeks out teammates for celebratory purposes.

You hate Favre because during every game, the TV cameras zoom in on his wife, Deanna. Who knew the Favres had the power to tell the networks what to do?

All I know is that on Sunday, the 40-year-old Vikings quarterback heaved a pass to Sidney Rice for a 58-yard completion that led to a game-winning field goal. Oh, and I know this too: Minnesota is 6-0.

The irritation with Orton is harder to penetrate.

If Cutler does well in Chicago, why must Orton do poorly in Denver? What's there to hate about Orton? OK, besides the neck beard? He has found an offense that perfectly fits him. He's succeeding with the same wide receivers Cutler supposedly turned into stars. Apparently, Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal can play a little bit on their own.

Oh, and the Broncos are 6-0.

Bears fans who are obsessed with Favre and Orton might want to devote their energy to figuring out what's wrong with Matt Forte.

If Favre gets hurt -- sorry, when he inevitably gets hurt -- some of you will be incensed: How dare he come back when he knew his body wouldn't hold up!

Sure. Everybody would have been better off with Favre in retirement and Sage Rosenfels taking snaps for Minnesota.

If you hate Favre because he had the Bears' number for so long, that's perfectly understandable. Or if you're mad because he's making it very difficult for the Bears to win the NFC North, that makes sense.

But if you view him as the Antichrist because he had the nerve to come out of retirement twice after saying he wouldn't, I'd suggest your life is lacking in some fundamental way. There are hobbies that can help fill the hours. Extreme stamp collecting, for example.

Both have played well. They've played well because they're good, not because there's some sleight of hand involved. Nobody could honestly look at the Broncos' victory over the Patriots last week and see smoke and mirrors at work.

On Monday night in San Diego, Orton was 20 of 29 for 229 yards and two touchdowns. And he didn't throw an interception, if you're into that sort of thing.

Rather than waiting for players to stumble, how about, as coaches like to say, we just tip our caps to them? And Cutler gets a tip of the cap here (and a $30 million tip jar from the Bears), not only for his (generally) good play, but for the maturity he has shown (most of the time) in the face of those of us who thought he was an unreliable baby.

I don't understand the people who want Orton "exposed," even though no one's claiming he's a perennial Pro Bowl quarterback. And I don't understand how Favre turned into Public Enemy No. 1.

Maybe the quarterbacks will be able to offer answers to these and other questions in Miami. At the Super Bowl.

Copyright 2009, Chicago Tribune

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-21-morrissey-chicago-oct21,0,6348231,print.column

The Joker
10-21-2009, 07:14 AM
Only natural for Bears fans to want Orton to fail in all honesty.

If Orton keeps this up then the Bears have basically traded one good young QB for another, only they've thrown in a pretty hefty bit of compensation to make it happen.

Orton failing makes the trade a good one for the Bears. If he does well then they'll look back with regret on the picks they gave away to not really achieve anything.

It's the same reason Denver fans want Cutler to suck. The worse he does, the better the trade looks for Denver. So naturally, we want him to fail.

Except BroncoBuff, obviously. I'm convinced that his lifelong dream is to get a handjob from Cutler at some point. With that arm strength, I'm sure he'd jerk you halfway to heaven. :strong:

chex
10-21-2009, 07:28 AM
I don't understand the people who want Orton "exposed," even though no one's claiming he's a perennial Pro Bowl quarterback.

As far as Orton vs Cutler goes, it boils down to excuses: people make excuses when Orton wins, and people make excuses when Cutler loses, which says more about the people making the excuses than the QBs themselves.

Drek
10-21-2009, 08:06 AM
It's the same reason Denver fans want Cutler to suck. The worse he does, the better the trade looks for Denver. So naturally, we want him to fail.


Cutler sucking actually directly improves our compensation.

I find Favre irritating because he puts himself before the team. His constant waffling lead to the Packers selecting three different QBs over the last several years (one each in rounds 1, 3, and 7). Yet he still complained about them not getting him help. Its easier to get him help when they aren't constantly needing to worry about the next QB.

So he tells them he's done, they drop two picks on backups behind Aaron Rogers in the draft, and suddenly Brett wants back in.

You got to make those decisions before your team starts investing value in your replacement. If you don't you're a douche.

bronco militia
10-21-2009, 08:07 AM
you've got to be ****ing kidding me....

**** YOU BRETT FAVRE!

gyldenlove
10-21-2009, 08:27 AM
Cutler sucking actually directly improves our compensation.

I find Favre irritating because he puts himself before the team. His constant waffling lead to the Packers selecting three different QBs over the last several years (one each in rounds 1, 3, and 7). Yet he still complained about them not getting him help. Its easier to get him help when they aren't constantly needing to worry about the next QB.

So he tells them he's done, they drop two picks on backups behind Aaron Rogers in the draft, and suddenly Brett wants back in.

You got to make those decisions before your team starts investing value in your replacement. If you don't you're a douche.

What he said, +1.

Irish Stout
10-21-2009, 08:36 AM
I want Cutler to fail and the bears to fail to give our draft pick more meaning, but beyond that I could care less about any QB that isn't a Bronco QB or a QB not facing our D this week. Every other QB in the league is irrelevant.

Smiling Assassin27
10-21-2009, 08:40 AM
On a side note, the Sears commercial with Favre's kinda chuckle-worthy.

Besides, with Jamarcus Russell, Jake Delhomme, and Mark Sanchez floundering, there' still plenty of satisfaction to take from their failings.

cutthemdown
10-21-2009, 09:28 AM
It's the oline stupid. The only QB playing right now that can overcome bad play by his oline IMO is Peyton Manning.

Rock Chalk
10-21-2009, 09:39 AM
It's the oline stupid. The only QB playing right now that can overcome bad play by his oline IMO is Peyton Manning.

Are you sure?

I mean, Manning's o-line has only failed him one time that I can remember, against Pittsburgh in the AFC Divisional Playoffs in 2005 and he threw them under the bus afterwards and completely melted down in the game.

I dont honestly believe that Manning can overcome a bad O-line either. Very few QBs in this history of the game have been able to do so.