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Irish Stout
10-20-2009, 08:28 AM
I'm afraid this thread will have a negative vibe to it, which I don't want. I just want to understand this.

It seemed to me that before the season began people were calling for Orton's head and wishing that Simms would take his place. I always thought that was a bad idea, because I thought Orton was/is a much stronger QB than Simms. What was the reasoning behind this?

Now that we're here at 6-0 the Orton-haters have dropped off quite a bit, even from when we were 4-0 and they were arguing that Orton couldn't win us a game from behind.

Whats the current feeling on Orton and do people still want Simms to be our starter?

crush17
10-20-2009, 08:42 AM
BRANDSTATER!!

hahaha j/k

Tombstone RJ
10-20-2009, 08:48 AM
Simms is a complete unknown. Those who wanted Simms to start over Orton basically said this because of Orton's lousy pre-season. I was one of the posters who said that I'd have no problem bringing Simms in IF Orton struggled.

Face it, Simms is still a complete unknown. For all we know, Simms IS the best QB on the team. But as long as Orton is winning and the team chemistry is good, then there's no way we will ever know.

Give props to Orton. He's getting better as the season progresses and he is a good leader on this offense.

As for Simms, he is gonna have to wait. Only an injury to Orton will allow him to step on the field. Even if Simms plays well in Orton's obsence there's no reason to believe that McD will pull a Tom Brady and keep Simms in when Orton comes back...

Karenin
10-20-2009, 08:53 AM
Simms is not an unknown. He sucked in college and he's sucked in the pros. It would be nice if everybody (cough cough cum-guzzler broncobuff) could stop pretending that he's some sort of unknown quantity who could be an immense talent if just given the chance. He's a fine backup, probably about as good as Patrick Ramsey or David Carr, and that's it.

Peoples Champ
10-20-2009, 08:55 AM
I'm afraid this thread will have a negative vibe to it, which I don't want. I just want to understand this.

It seemed to me that before the season began people were calling for Orton's head and wishing that Simms would take his place. I always thought that was a bad idea, because I thought Orton was/is a much stronger QB than Simms. What was the reasoning behind this?

Now that we're here at 6-0 the Orton-haters have dropped off quite a bit, even from when we were 4-0 and they were arguing that Orton couldn't win us a game from behind.

Whats the current feeling on Orton and do people still want Simms to be our starter?


If it aint broke, dont fix it.

BroncoBuff
10-20-2009, 08:56 AM
If BroncoBuff says this is a silly thread, then it's definitely a silly thread.

Tombstone RJ
10-20-2009, 08:57 AM
Simms is not an unknown. He sucked in college and he's sucked in the pros. It would be nice if everybody (cough cough cum-guzzler broncobuff) could stop pretending that he's some sort of unknown quantity who could be an immense talent if just given the chance. He's a fine backup, probably about as good as Patrick Ramsey or David Carr, and that's it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't McD bring in Simms and pay him a good chunck of change?


Um, yah. I think I'll trust McD's judgement over yours. Thanks for playing.

Karenin
10-20-2009, 09:02 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't McD bring in Simms and pay him a good chunck of change?


Um, yah. I think I'll trust McD's judgement over yours. Thanks for playing.

Broncos: Simms Officially Signed To Backup Cutler

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/nfl.broncos.chris.2.951605.html

Umm yea, he was signed to backup Cutler, and was paid 6 million for two years, hardly a "good chunk of change" and pretty standard for a backup QB.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

Tombstone RJ
10-20-2009, 09:05 AM
http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/nfl.broncos.chris.2.951605.html

Umm yea, he was signed to backup Cutler, and was paid 6 million for two years, hardly a "good chunk of change" and pretty standard for a backup QB.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

$6m for a back up?

Really? Ok...

Thanks for the info. kerry.

Irish Stout
10-20-2009, 09:06 AM
If BroncoBuff says this is a silly thread, then it's definitely a silly thread.

Yet BroncoBuff has not said this is a silly thread. Your statement is merely a hypothetical.

I posed an honest question that you don't want to answer. I said why did you and do you still want Simms over Neckbeard? And your reply is?

RhymesayersDU
10-20-2009, 09:07 AM
If BroncoBuff says this is a silly thread, then it's definitely a silly thread.

That's cum-guzzler BroncoBuff according to Karenin.

Karenin
10-20-2009, 09:08 AM
$6m for a back up?

Really? Ok...

Thanks for the info. kerry.

The Denver Broncos on Wednesday night won the battle for coveted backup quarterback Patrick Ramsey, with ESPN.com learning the club has reached a contract agreement with the five-year veteran.

Ramsey, 28, will sign a two-year contract worth approximately $5 million

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2791258


Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself now.

strafen
10-20-2009, 09:10 AM
As much as it pains to say it, I'd stick with Orton over Simms at this point. Simply because Orton right now is a product of the system. He's further along into learning the system, and he's being coached magnificent by McDaniels

Orton has removed a couple of doubts, and one of them is that he can actually make some pretty nice throws when he stays within the system and game plan

Tombstone RJ
10-20-2009, 09:13 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2791258


Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself now.

Really, how?

Point is, McD brought in Simms to back up Cutler and paid him $6m.

Pony Boy
10-20-2009, 09:14 AM
I have learned my lesson, not to second-guess McDaniel's but if we are doing "what if", I have wondered how Matt Cassell would have played knowing the offence inside and out and not needing a learning curve........

BroncoBuff
10-20-2009, 07:06 PM
I posed an honest question that you don't want to answer. I said why did you and do you still want Simms over Neckbeard? And your reply is?

This must be some kind of sarcasm ... but I don't get it.

Kyle Orton is one of the top 3 or 4 quarterbacks in the league this year. not only should we not bench him, we should do anything and everything we can to keep him healthy so we can keep winning Knowitall

broncogary
10-20-2009, 08:35 PM
If BroncoBuff says this is a silly thread, then it's definitely a silly thread.

That's BroncoMcBuff to you. :)

BroncoMan4ever
10-20-2009, 10:32 PM
i have been calling for us to give Orton a new deal, and was in his corner the moment he was traded here

BroncoBuff
10-20-2009, 10:33 PM
That's BroncoMcBuff to you. :)

Where's the horse in flippers?

I WANT AVATARS BAAAAACK!!!!

Kaylore
10-20-2009, 10:35 PM
It was stupid and based on Simms rolling out and throwing over a corner back who was cut from the Niners in a preseason game for a touchdown. Suddenly Simms was "the answer" and everyone hated Orton after one preseason game against scrubs.

Idiots.

BroncoBuff
10-20-2009, 10:45 PM
It was stupid and based on Simms rolling out and throwing over a corner back who was cut from the Niners in a preseason game for a touchdown. Suddenly Simms was "the answer" and everyone hated Orton after one preseason game against scrubs.

Idiots.
Wow, you hate Simms almost as much as I love him :rofl:

You're selling him short though, way short. He had 4 possessions against SF, 3 of them we scored, and the 4th McKinley dropped an easy 3rd down pass. And as far as doing it against scrubs, he was playing with scrubs too ;D



CHRIS SIMMS FAN CLUB!! ... who's with me?! :strong:

Kaylore
10-20-2009, 11:24 PM
He holds the ball too long and lacks any accuracy after about 20 yards. Has he ever legitimately won a starting job in the NFL?

BroncoBuff
10-20-2009, 11:34 PM
He holds the ball too long and lacks any accuracy after about 20 yards. Has he ever legitimately won a starting job in the NFL?

Yes, but he lost it the next year ... he was set to be benched when the spleen thing happened. Spleen or no spleen, he sucked early that year. He had won the job with his playe the previous year and that preseason though.

Dunno about the deep ball ... never noticed that as a weakness.

Atwater His Ass
10-21-2009, 12:08 AM
I still don't think Orton is the future, but it would be beyond idiotic to put in Simms over him at this point with how well the team is doing currently.

ZONA
10-21-2009, 12:19 AM
I still don't think Orton is the future, but it would be beyond idiotic to put in Simms over him at this point with how well the team is doing currently.

I USED to think this also but I can't sit here and say he's not the future when he doesn't even have a loss yet as a Bronco and among active QB's he's 3rd in winning %.

You have to ask yourself why don't you think he's not the future? He's young enough, smart enough, a good leader, more accurate the most QB's, careful with the ball and since that glove has come off, there is some pretty good zip on his balls. There is NOTHING right now to enforce your position that he could not be the future QB.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-21-2009, 12:39 AM
you dont change horses in mid stream ! this orton guy is workin i say keep him as a started . anyone who disagrees is nuts

BroncoMan4ever
10-21-2009, 01:37 AM
think about it this way. Simms is not the long term answer. if Brandstater is the future he is at least 2 years away from showing it. if we draft a 1st rounder next season, if someone like Bradford, McCoy or Sneed fall to our pick, we are going to be giving them a deal with as much as 25 million guaranteed for an unproven player. I would feel much better giving Orton that money and allow him to build upon this season and see how much better McDaniels can make him.

why toss him aside when he is kicking ass, has youth on his side(26 years old) players love him, he is a great leader and will cost as much as a 1st round rookie replacement when he is proving he can not only play in this system, but kick ass in it, and is a proven winner in the NFL?

i have been on Orton's bandwagon since he arrived, and i want to see us wrap him up long term. he has all the tools to be our QB for the next 5-10 years depending how long he plays. i am all for him finishing out is career in Denver.

Atwater His Ass
10-21-2009, 04:05 AM
I USED to think this also but I can't sit here and say he's not the future when he doesn't even have a loss yet as a Bronco and among active QB's he's 3rd in winning %.

You have to ask yourself why don't you think he's not the future? He's young enough, smart enough, a good leader, more accurate the most QB's, careful with the ball and since that glove has come off, there is some pretty good zip on his balls. There is NOTHING right now to enforce your position that he could not be the future QB.

Cool story bro.

And since you've already declared my opinion invalid, I won't waste time explaining my view.

barryr
10-21-2009, 06:35 AM
Orton had proved more than Simms before either came to the Broncos, so I also don't get this fantasy of assuming Simms would be better than Orton. It's just more reluctance of those that slammed Orton before he even threw a pass in a Bronco uniform to admit to being wrong about him. No one is claiming he is a HOF QB, but at this point, he's done far more and better than most would have predicted. Why this seems to hurt some Bronco fans is a mystery.