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bronco0608
10-19-2009, 09:36 PM
A couple of threads from a board that is about twice as slow as the mane.

It's funny, everything bad in Chicago is EVERYBODYS fault besides Cutler (hmmm, where have we seen this before? :giggle:) and Orton is just plain ol' lucky. Actually, they can't stand to see Orton do good. It just hurts them too much.

The best post was this one:

Denver is better than the Bears. We are a year a way from being good.


Funny thing is last year the Bears were better than Denver.




http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/1852443.aspx

http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/1855573.aspx

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2009, 09:40 PM
Orton is a man.

Jay Cutler is a boy.

...That pretty much sums it up right there.

Watching Orton perform in the clutch is a breath of fresh air. He's quickly winning over the hearts of Broncos fans. I see in him the same competitive fire that was in Plummer. However, Orton doesnt have Plummer's skills and instead he has the mind that Plummer could never seize hold of.

80smith
10-19-2009, 09:40 PM
I just came home from watching the game from a BEARS fan house and I told him to hold Cutler accountable and did I ever get the look of death.......

Clockwork Orange
10-19-2009, 09:42 PM
9 TD's, 1 INT. 6-0.

/discussion

(and this is from someone who doesn't hate Cutler, those are simply the facts of the case)

Doggcow
10-19-2009, 09:42 PM
I just came home from watching the game from a BEARS fan house and I told him to hold Cutler accountable and did I ever get the look of death.......

No they won in the trade because Johnny Knox can run really fast and ran back a kickoff when he had exceptional blocking and noone touched him.

Kid A
10-19-2009, 09:43 PM
Remember how Denver fans were so insecure earlier this year? You know, jumping at any sign Cutler might not be that great, rooting hard for Chicago to look bad so we could save some face in a trade they "knew" we lost. Meanwhile Chicago fans seemed to simply have pity on us, hoping Orton would play okay for old times sake.

While I'll gladly admit I was and still am rooting against Cutler and Chicago, the tables have turned a little. Chicago fans are starting to resent Orton's success. Just listening to the local radio guys today hoping so hard that the Chargers would win and "expose" McDaniels. It's setting in that they may not have "won" the trade so clearly. In short, it's hilarious.

Bronx33
10-19-2009, 09:43 PM
A couple of threads from a board that is about twice as slow as the mane.

It's funny, everything bad in Chicago is EVERYBODYS fault besides Cutler (hmmm, where have we seen this before? :giggle:) and Orton is just plain ol' lucky. Actually, they can't stand to see Orton do good. It just hurts them too much.

The best post was this one:






http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/1852443.aspx

http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/1855573.aspx

look who that poster is that started that thread.
http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/1852443.aspx

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2009, 09:44 PM
9 TD's, 1 INT*. 6-0.

/discussion

(and this is from someone who doesn't hate Cutler, those are simply the facts of the case)

* = thrown in garbage time on a desperation heave and picked off by Randy Moss

OABB
10-19-2009, 09:46 PM
look who that poster is that started that thread.
http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/1852443.aspx

how does he type so much while simultaneously humping his Cutler jersey?

SouthCarolinaBronco
10-19-2009, 09:48 PM
look who that poster is that started that thread.
http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/1852443.aspx

Haha well that was technically my fault, I put McBuff up to it. He didn't even have a username at the Bears board before that. No disloyalty there, McBuff is a good guy even if he does like Cutler too much.

epicSocialism4tw
10-19-2009, 09:48 PM
Remember how Denver fans were so insecure earlier this year? You know, jumping at any sign Cutler might not be that great, rooting hard for Chicago to look bad so we could save some face in a trade they "knew" we lost. Meanwhile Chicago fans seemed to simply have pity on us, hoping Orton would play okay for old times sake.

While I'll gladly admit I was and still am rooting against Cutler and Chicago, the tables have turned a little. Chicago fans are starting to resent Orton's success. Just listening to the local radio guys today hoping so hard that the Chargers would win and "expose" McDaniels. It's setting in that they may not have "won" the trade so clearly. In short, it's hilarious.

What should be irking them even more is the creeping, subtle feeling that the Broncos have a defense that could rival that of the '85 Bears and is absolutely dominating games in the fourth quarter against some of the best offensive teams in the league.

bronco0608
10-19-2009, 09:52 PM
look who that poster is that started that thread.
http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/1852443.aspx

That damn BroncoBuff, splitting time between the Broncos and Bears board.

We know where his loyalties lie.

Mr.Meanie
10-19-2009, 10:18 PM
I love that the Bears want to say if Cutler had Orton's Oline and WR's he wouldn't be throwing INT"s. haha.

When he had the exact same WR's and Oline as Orton this year he threw 18 INTS! Orton played behind a worse Oline in Chicago last year and almost took them to the playoffs.

Delusional would be putting it mildly.

SouthCarolinaBronco
10-19-2009, 10:20 PM
That damn BroncoBuff, splitting time between the Broncos and Bears board.

We know where his loyalties lie.

Haha dude, seriously, we bet on another thread here about how Chicago fans would answer that poll. He wasn't even a member at the Bears board and had to sign up to post it.

McBuff's a good guy, even if we disagree on the Cutler/Orton thing.

SoDak Bronco
10-19-2009, 10:37 PM
McBuff is a Cutler Cock sucker and it is funny...he will come around one of these days...Last night he thought Cutler was AMAZING@!!! what about orton tonight? Beuler?

BroncoMan4ever
10-19-2009, 10:51 PM
Orton is a man.

Jay Cutler is a boy.

...That pretty much sums it up right there.

Watching Orton perform in the clutch is a breath of fresh air. He's quickly winning over the hearts of Broncos fans. I see in him the same competitive fire that was in Plummer. However, Orton doesnt have Plummer's skills and instead he has the mind that Plummer could never seize hold of.

the way i see him is comparable skill set to Griese, possibly slightly stronger arm, but with the fire, determination and leadership skills of Plummer with a really great football mind.

if he remains in Denver long term which i believe will happen, he is going to become a pro bowler in this system.

fdf
10-19-2009, 11:15 PM
However, Orton doesnt have Plummer's skills and instead he has the mind that Plummer could never seize hold of.

Plummer was a very one-dimensional QB. He threw well on the run and played with a lot of fire. Orton is a MUCH better pocket passer than Plummer. And, as you said, he makes better decisions.

OBF1
10-19-2009, 11:24 PM
how does he type so much while simultaneously humping his Cutler jersey?

This might be the question of the decade.:notworthy

Bronco Yoda
10-19-2009, 11:57 PM
While I'll gladly admit I was and still am rooting against Cutler and Chicago, the tables have turned a little.

why would you root for a guy that didn't want to play for your team, forced a trade and then dissed you as a fan? Seriously? Why? You like punishment?

Why would you root for ANYONE other than the Broncos?

Do you like to stew over the girls who kick you in the face then prance around in front of you?

Popps
10-20-2009, 12:32 AM
Orton looks so relaxed out there. I just ****ing love it. Dude was just minding his own business with a winning record in Chicago, and got traded into a ****-storm. He just stayed focused, made the best of it and here we are... 6-0.

I have no idea where he'll take us in the future, but this guy deserves every bit of the glory he's enjoying right now.

Chicago fans were pretty complimentary of him when he was traded. That's always a tell, imo. If fans hate to see a guy go (and teammates)... there's usually a good reason.

As for Jay Cutler, maybe when he wins something... we can have a serious discussion about him. Right now, he's just the punch-line to a bad joke.

Gort
10-20-2009, 12:36 AM
wait until the Bears are 5-7. then we'll know how the Bears locker room really feels about Jay. we got some early indications from Uhrlacher during training camp that not everyone was seeing unicorns and rainbows after the trade.

Bronco Yoda
10-20-2009, 12:44 AM
What is it with these kids and their Jay love?

Cutler only started for us a couple years... so it cant be for his longevity. Fan favorite?... he was pouty and aloof. Was it his winning record...ummm no. So what is it? I've never seen anything like it.

Then if that wasn't enough he kicked all us fans in the teeth on the way out.

All I can think is that these are really young Bronco fans that never really knew anything but Cutler last couple years. Or maybe it's geration FF where players matter and teams don't. It's a mystery...

enjolras
10-20-2009, 01:13 AM
C'mon... Cutler was the great hope. He was the new Elway. That's why everyone fell in love with him. He had the arm and the moxie to throw the ball into incredibly tight spots and make highlight reel plays. He was incredibly fun to watch, even if his lack of leadership skills and general aloofness meant that he was unlikely to produce a superbowl....

I can completely understand why folks here are still behind Cutler. He plays with guts (even if he often lacks brains). He played well on Sunday night. He led his team back to tie the game and marched them down on the final drive in a bid to tie. That's the thing with Cutler... for the spectacular plays he made (he made several incredible throws that 29 other QB's had no shot of making), he also made 5 or 6 stupid ones (two picks, and several throws into tight coverage). Some folks will never understand that those mistakes cost you games. If the playoffs were best 2 out of 3, then maybe it works. But in games you MUST win... well two picks can kill you. It did for the Bears on Sunday night...

bdv
10-20-2009, 01:13 AM
From the second link:

By the way I wish Orton the best he was a class act in Chicago.


I wish him the best also. However, I want the donkeys to crash and burn. Every week at work I have to hear "Hey we're X-0, what's the Bears record? Yea, how many picks has Cutler thrown?" It's enough to make my ears bleed a little bit


Poor guy... :)

Actually the Bears fans seem cool, and I have nothing against the bears. Cutler, on the other hand... The more INTs, and other failures that may find him (no serious injuries) the happier football fan I will become. If his reason is stronger than his ego, he should already suspects that one of his biggest failures was leaving the Broncos.

The other Bronco players understood that it's a business; they understood that being coached doesn't always mean your ass is kissed. So why was Cutler so thin-skinned? Narcissistic, spoiled, little ****ing baby!

Bronco Yoda
10-20-2009, 01:27 AM
C'mon... Cutler was the great hope. He was the new Elway. That's why everyone fell in love with him.

I can completely understand why folks here are still behind Cutler. He plays with guts (even if he often lacks brains). He played well on Sunday night. He led his team back to tie the game and marched them down on the final drive in a bid to tie. That's the thing with Cutler... for the spectacular plays he made (he made several incredible throws that 29 other QB's had no shot of making), he also made 5 or 6 stupid ones (two picks, and several throws into tight coverage). Some folks will never understand that those mistakes cost you games. If the playoffs were best 2 out of 3, then maybe it works. But in games you MUST win... well two picks can kill you. It did for the Bears on Sunday night...

What does his skills have to do with still being behind him though? That's the real question I have. He didn't want to be a Bronco (after Shanahan & co. was let go) forced his way out in an ugly divorce and kicked us fans in the teeth for good measure? I don't care if he's the next coming of Elway/Montana/Manning combined... The guy disses Bronco fans everywhere. What kind of tool would still follow him? Besides...He's not even on our team anymore.

BroncoMan4ever
10-20-2009, 01:38 AM
The other Bronco players understood that it's a business; they understood that being coached doesn't always mean your ass is kissed. So why was Cutler so thin-skinned? Narcissistic, spoiled, little ****ing baby!

i have an interesting little thought on why Cutler is the thin skinned little bitch he is.

think about him growing up. in a small town where he was undoubtedly the best athlete in town. no one got into his face or held him accountable for anything because he was the best in the town and many believe you don't piss off your star player.

now fast forward to Vanderbilt, the rest of the teams in the SEC bitch. that school is almost completely devoid of any actual talent on the football field, so a star QB who is better than everyone else in the school isn't going to get any **** because many believe you don't piss off your star

now to the NFL and the Denver Broncos, to a coach who has been looking for his Elway to build up and return him to greatness. well the coach has been waiting a decade for this savior, and because of that, he isn't going to push the young QB and work him to get better because he has been waiting for him for so long.

now onto Chicago, this is a town and team that has had nothing at the QB position since Luckman in the 50s. no way are they going to piss him off and do anything to upset him, because he is the best they have had in decades.

everywhere Jay has played, he has been either the best player, or too valuable in the coach's eyes to be pushed to grow up and be a man. so when a coach came in and treated him like any other player, he wasn't capable of understanding what was happening and acted like a spoiled child.

bdv
10-20-2009, 04:52 PM
...and they're still talking:

http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/1/1858144/ShowThread.aspx

DenverBrit
10-20-2009, 05:25 PM
Favorite post from that thread.


So Denver traded away a pro-bowl quarterback for two first round draft picks, a third round pick, and... a pro-bowl quarterback

nicely done

Bronx33
10-20-2009, 05:26 PM
Hilarious!

Kid A
10-20-2009, 05:56 PM
why would you root for a guy that didn't want to play for your team, forced a trade and then dissed you as a fan? Seriously? Why? You like punishment?

Why would you root for ANYONE other than the Broncos?

Do you like to stew over the girls who kick you in the face then prance around in front of you?

Dude, I said I was and still am rooting against Cutler. I agree, he was a total douche and I have no love left for him. Add on that we have the Bears pick, and it's a really easy decision in my book.

Kid A
10-20-2009, 06:03 PM
I love that the Bears want to say if Cutler had Orton's Oline and WR's he wouldn't be throwing INT"s. haha.

When he had the exact same WR's and Oline as Orton this year he threw 18 INTS! Orton played behind a worse Oline in Chicago last year and almost took them to the playoffs.

Delusional would be putting it mildly.

The logic always goes something like this:

"Jay wouldn't throw INTs if he had Denver's o-line and WRs."

"Um, he had them last year...and threw 18."

"Yeah, well he didn't have a good defense last year, so they were behind sometimes. Which completely cancels out the great pass blocking and receivers."

"So the only circumstances we can expect Jay to not throw lots of INTs in is if he plays with a really good offense that also has a good defense?"

It's just ridiculous. It's like Jay is excused from all turnovers unless he plays on a top 5 team.

LRtagger
10-20-2009, 06:05 PM
When the Bears first got Cutler, their fans were adament that Marshall and Royal were not that good - that Jay made them what they are and Jay will turn their WRs into all-pros.

Now that Orton is having success here, their excuse is "Well he has Marshall and Royal and Jay doesn't have any receivers here"

bunch of tools

baja
10-20-2009, 06:12 PM
...and they're still talking:

http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/1/1858144/ShowThread.aspx

They are figuring it out;

Bears fan- Face the facts folks.....

Kyle's a smarter QB, a more poised QB, and better in the clutch. 1 INT to a wide receiver off a hail mary, and constant clutch throws.

Good to have Jay here in Chicago, but we had our future......and that future is 6-0 with near 1500 yards, 9 TDs, and a 100.1 QB rating.

Amazing, isn't it? Most of you wanted the lamborghini without factoring in the maintenance costs and bad gas mileage. Yeah, the Toyota is boring(Orton), but he's dependable(wins games).

Have fun with your fantasy numbers. I want a winner in Chicago. We had a winner in Chicago. We also had a leader of men.

Tell you right now, until things change, Jay's not a leader. He's a freak of nature physical specimen that can do a ton of things with the ball........but he's not a leader.

Time to face up to that. "

Br0nc0Buster
10-20-2009, 06:15 PM
Jay is an elite player
He just needs stud recievers
a stud offensive line
a stud runningback
and a stud offensive play caller

Circle Orange
10-20-2009, 06:21 PM
C'mon... Cutler was the great hope. He was the new Elway. That's why everyone fell in love with him. He had the arm and the moxie to throw the ball into incredibly tight spots and make highlight reel plays. He was incredibly fun to watch, even if his lack of leadership skills and general aloofness meant that he was unlikely to produce a superbowl....

I can completely understand why folks here are still behind Cutler. He plays with guts (even if he often lacks brains). He played well on Sunday night. He led his team back to tie the game and marched them down on the final drive in a bid to tie. That's the thing with Cutler... for the spectacular plays he made (he made several incredible throws that 29 other QB's had no shot of making), he also made 5 or 6 stupid ones (two picks, and several throws into tight coverage). Some folks will never understand that those mistakes cost you games. If the playoffs were best 2 out of 3, then maybe it works. But in games you MUST win... well two picks can kill you. It did for the Bears on Sunday night...

Funny how when some qbs do that, they're considered boneheads. Others are called gutsy and 'gunslingers'.

Bronx33
10-20-2009, 06:24 PM
I read this on one of those links is it true?

Orton has thrown 30 TD's and only "2" INTS in the red zone in his career.

Circle Orange
10-20-2009, 06:32 PM
On every bears postgame show, ex bears qb Miller moves his hands suspiciously (down low) every time he mentions Jay. It's bad taste, but then, that's Chicago for you.

Soul-Bronco
10-20-2009, 06:36 PM
Jay is an elite player
He just needs stud recievers
a stud offensive line
a stud runningback
and a stud offensive play caller

and a stud defense to always gewt him the ball back after his redzone INTS

gunns
10-20-2009, 07:00 PM
Each team got what they needed and for the most part the fans are happy with the trade on both sides. End of story.

baja
10-20-2009, 07:01 PM
Each team got what they needed and for the most part the fans are happy with the trade on both sides. <b> End of story.

Good luck with that. ;D

BroncoBuff
10-20-2009, 07:20 PM
I love that the Bears want to say if Cutler had Orton's Oline and WR's he wouldn't be throwing INT"s. haha.

When he had the exact same WR's and Oline as Orton this year he threw 18 INTS! Orton played behind a worse Oline in Chicago last year and almost took them to the playoffs.

Delusional would be putting it mildly.

The weird part about that line is that THIS SITE is the delusional spot.

For example, your "logic" there. You must've totally forgotten about the worst defense in the league and 7 running backs on IR .... oh, yeah! That's right!

spdirty
10-20-2009, 08:25 PM
Still kind of wonder what this team wouldve been like had we not traded Cutler. Would we be 6-0? How many picks would Jay have? How would the locker room be?

Though now looking back at it I understand McDaniels wanting a game manager more than a gunslinger. When Orton screws up McDaniels is all over him chewin ass. And Orton takes it the right way. What would happen with if he did that with Jay, with all the offseason bs that happened? On the other hand if Cutler were receptive to McDaniels how freaking great could he be? Anyway, hope like hell McD continues to develop Orton, and Orton isnt just another 2000 Griese that is great 1 year, gets the big contract, then sucks a big one. Dont think thats the case though, but still kinda worry about it. Im not in a postion to even think about questioning McDaniels right now though, just happy we are playing as well as we are, and it sucks I have to wait 2 weeks to see these Broncos again.

Bronco Yoda
10-20-2009, 08:29 PM
Dude, I said I was and still am rooting against Cutler. I agree, he was a total douche and I have no love left for him. Add on that we have the Bears pick, and it's a really easy decision in my book.

My mistake. Sorry about that. Cool?

Bronco Yoda
10-20-2009, 08:33 PM
Still kind of wonder what this team wouldve been like had we not traded Cutler. Would we be 6-0? How many picks would Jay have? How would the locker room be?

Though now looking back at it I understand McDaniels wanting a game manager more than a gunslinger. When Orton screws up McDaniels is all over him chewin ass. And Orton takes it the right way. What would happen with if he did that with Jay, with all the offseason bs that happened? On the other hand if Cutler were receptive to McDaniels how freaking great could he be? Anyway, hope like hell McD continues to develop Orton, and Orton isnt just another 2000 Griese that is great 1 year, gets the big contract, then sucks a big one. Dont think thats the case though, but still kinda worry about it. Im not in a postion to even think about questioning McDaniels right now though, just happy we are playing as well as we are, and it sucks I have to wait 2 weeks to see these Broncos again.

I don't think we'd be the same team. I think part of the us against the world attitude that seems to have had a part in bringing this team together wouldn't exist.

If Jay would have been open to learning and being a team player I think he could have ran this offense. His mobility in extending the play would have been nice to have. But he couldn't,wouldn't...whatever. In the end, his career will suffer from his attitude and we'll be just fine. We already are...:sunshine:

baja
10-20-2009, 08:42 PM
I don't think we'd be the same team. I think part of the us against the world attitude that seems to have had a part in bringing this team together wouldn't exist.

If Jay would have been open to learning and being a team player I think he could have ran this offense. His mobility in extending the play would have been nice to have. But he couldn't,wouldn't...whatever. In the end, his career will suffer from his attitude and we'll be just fine. We already are...:sunshine:

The thing that everyone leaves out of the comparisons between the two QBs is the cost of Cutler vs the cost of Orton. We got a lot of players to sign this year.

broncogary
10-20-2009, 08:42 PM
It seems to me that Cutler's fundamentals have gotten worse since he went to Chicago. He didn't make every throw off his back foot when he was in Denver. It looks like he's just playing sandlot ball now. Doesn't say much about their OC and QB coach.

Bronco Yoda
10-20-2009, 08:54 PM
There's a reason Chicago isn't known for QB's.

He will regress even more into a QB relying on his pure arm strength and could kill his career. I predict Chicago won't be his last stop in the league.

theAPAOps5
10-20-2009, 08:56 PM
There's a reason Chicago isn't known for QB's.

He will regress even more into a QB relying on his pure arm strength and could kill his career. I predict Chicago won't be his last stop in the league.

Oh but we are delusional! I mean come on apparently across the US Cutler is the best QB in the league. Or at least thats what I am told. Please crown his ass as the best ever! !Booya!:thanku:

misturanderson
10-20-2009, 09:03 PM
The weird part about that line is that THIS SITE is the delusional spot.

For example, your "logic" there. You must've totally forgotten about the worst defense in the league and 7 running backs on IR .... oh, yeah! That's right!

That still doesn't excuse his penchant for turning the ball over at the most inopportune times or the fact that many (maybe most) of his picks are thrown when he isn't under any defensive pressure. That's the reason that he isn't even in the discussion of being a part of the second (maybe even the third) tier of NFL Qbs.

Bronco Yoda
10-20-2009, 09:06 PM
Oh but we are delusional! I mean come on apparently across the US Cutler is the best QB in the league. Or at least thats what I am told. Please crown his ass as the best ever! !Booya!:thanku:

Well I'm no cutler fan... I've made that clear for the last 9 months thats for sure. I think we could have done something with him, but he was no Elway and never will be.

bombay
10-20-2009, 09:23 PM
look who that poster is that started that thread.
http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/1852443.aspx


Astonishing. That dude came out of the closet right here on the 'nets. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Never seen a guy come out that way, though. Baby Jay may want to get some decent security.

bombay
10-20-2009, 09:35 PM
The responsible thing to do is to bring this stuff to the attention of the Bears' security aparatus. There isn't any way I can squeeze this behavior to make it fit into the 'normal' range.

TheReverend
10-20-2009, 09:44 PM
Astonishing. That dude came out of the closet right here on the 'nets. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Never seen a guy come out that way, though. Baby Jay may want to get some decent security.

He was asked to do that HERE in another thread, fyi

bombay
10-20-2009, 09:48 PM
Whatever. In my line of work I've come to recognize stalking patterns. This may or may not be dangerous but it's something they should be aware of.

milehimike
10-20-2009, 10:17 PM
A couple of threads from a board that is about twice as slow as the mane.

It's funny, everything bad in Chicago is EVERYBODYS fault besides Cutler (hmmm, where have we seen this before? :giggle:) and Orton is just plain ol' lucky. Actually, they can't stand to see Orton do good. It just hurts them too much.

The best post was this one:






http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/1852443.aspx

http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/thread/1855573.aspx
Thats funny, I live with three bears die hards, my brother, his wife and son. Man is that rough on gameday.

Circle Orange
10-20-2009, 11:45 PM
Oh but we are delusional! I mean come on apparently across the US Cutler is the best QB in the league. Or at least thats what I am told. Please crown his ass as the best ever! !Booya!:thanku:

Naturally. Because we've never seen a strong arm before, or someone who can put one foot in front of the other when running. Now that's unique!

And kudos to the Chicago style rag that actually did pics of Cutler that made him look passably attractive. Extra kudos for photoshopping out his chins and shooting his face at angles to minimize frumpiness. And yes, the Jay Mariotti POOF hairstyle of years ago. Nice! Bob's Big Boy never looked so hot. :clown:

Rock Chalk
10-20-2009, 11:54 PM
What is it with these kids and their Jay love?

Cutler only started for us a couple years... so it cant be for his longevity. Fan favorite?... he was pouty and aloof. Was it his winning record...ummm no. So what is it? I've never seen anything like it.

Then if that wasn't enough he kicked all us fans in the teeth on the way out.

All I can think is that these are really young Bronco fans that never really knew anything but Cutler last couple years. Or maybe it's geration FF where players matter and teams don't. It's a mystery...

It's the arm. Visions of Elway reborn dance in their heads. Nevermind all the other things that negate any relation or comparison to Elway in any way shape or form.

Elway had a great football mind, was the most athletic QB of his era, was the most highly recruited QB from high school to the pro's and had a will and a determination that is matched by very few athletes in any sport.
Cutler is a one year wonder at Vanderbilt, a school he went to because he couldn't play at a real football school (No matter what he says, if Florida or USC or OU or UT or OSU or any of the powerhouses had come calling, he would have went there), has not had a winning record since high school, has a ****ty attitude and appears to be a bad teammate.

But fans in Denver were starstruck by the strength of his arm (and Buff I think is particularly star struck by the number of his chins because they exceed his own which really defies all laws of human physiology) and they wanted their hero.

It didn't matter that all signs pointed to average QB. It only mattered that he had an arm like John and could "potentially" be like John.

Most of the fans that still cling and long for Cutler think this, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Bronco X
10-20-2009, 11:58 PM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/telander/1837007,CST-SPT-rick21.article

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
10-21-2009, 12:48 AM
and to think i didnt want orton here nor josh mcdaniels . I SHALL NEVER CALL BOWLEN A IDIOT EVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!
im sorry i jump on the hes a gutless drunk bandwagon. the man is a freaking genius!!!!

Rock Chalk
10-21-2009, 12:51 AM
Orton has completed 64 percent of his passes for 1,465 yards, nine touchdowns and only one interception. At that rate, he'll throw for 3,907 yards, 24 touchdowns and 2 2/3 interceptions in 2009.

Taco John
10-21-2009, 03:10 AM
Orton has completed 64 percent of his passes for 1,465 yards, nine touchdowns and only one interception. At that rate, he'll throw for 3,907 yards, 24 touchdowns and 2 2/3 interceptions in 2009.



The idea of any quarterback throwing only 2 2/3 interceptions in a sixteen game season short circuits my frontal lobes.

Peoples Champ
10-21-2009, 06:43 AM
I love that the Bears want to say if Cutler had Orton's Oline and WR's he wouldn't be throwing INT"s. haha.

When he had the exact same WR's and Oline as Orton this year he threw 18 INTS! Orton played behind a worse Oline in Chicago last year and almost took them to the playoffs.

Delusional would be putting it mildly.


I say this same thing

Peoples Champ
10-21-2009, 07:12 AM
there was some smart guys on there giving props to Orton, especially when he hit is pass to Scheffler. That was a perferctly thrown ball, that was all Orton. You can say all you want about Orton having better weapons, pass protection, or even a better west coast system, but that pass was all Ortons skill.

baja
10-21-2009, 08:56 AM
Orton has completed 64 percent of his passes for 1,465 yards, nine touchdowns and only one interception. At that rate, he'll throw for 3,907 yards, 24 touchdowns and 2 2/3 interceptions in 2009.

Let's just hope he doesn't throw that 2/3 INT a crucial time in the game.

Bronco X
10-21-2009, 04:43 PM
Let's just hope he doesn't throw that 2/3 INT a crucial time in the game.

I think the Randy Moss INT should count as 2/3.

BroncoBuff
10-21-2009, 05:16 PM
That still doesn't excuse his penchant for turning the ball over at the most inopportune times or the fact that many (maybe most) of his picks are thrown when he isn't under any defensive pressure. That's the reason that he isn't even in the discussion of being a part of the second (maybe even the third) tier of NFL Qbs.
Yeah, the red-zone turnovers are really alarming. What did Michaels say, he has TWICE AS MANY red-zone picks as any other QB over the last two years? Small sample size, but still ... that is hooorible.

Disagree on the "tiers," though ... Jays a solid 2nd tier quarterback, as his contract just paid him. Money talks.

BroncoBuff
10-21-2009, 05:19 PM
Astonishing. That dude came out of the closet right here on the 'nets. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Never seen a guy come out that way, though. Baby Jay may want to get some decent security.

Okay, that's funny .... but I made that poll over there at the behest of South Carolina.

So I'm only half at fault ::)

Archer81
10-21-2009, 05:21 PM
Honestly...I dont care anymore. We got our guys, they got theirs. Good for Jay. Great for Kyle.

:Broncos:

Florida_Bronco
10-21-2009, 06:26 PM
there was some smart guys on there giving props to Orton, especially when he hit is pass to Scheffler. That was a perferctly thrown ball, that was all Orton. You can say all you want about Orton having better weapons, pass protection, or even a better west coast system, but that pass was all Ortons skill.

We run a spread offense, not the West Coast. Just FYI.

Drek
10-21-2009, 07:52 PM
Yeah, the red-zone turnovers are really alarming. What did Michaels say, he has TWICE AS MANY red-zone picks as any other QB over the last two years? Small sample size, but still ... that is hooorible.

Disagree on the "tiers," though ... Jays a solid 2nd tier quarterback, as his contract just paid him. Money talks.

The biggest problem with Cutler's red zone turnovers is that they're indicative of the overall flaw with his game.

He isn't a finisher. He doesn't consistently finish drives for 6. He doesn't finish out halves well. Most importantly he doesn't finish out seasons well. He's a hot starter who fades, and he does it on every scale. How do you fix that? A lot of people on this board tried to blame it on the lack of a feature back (despite our rushing attack being top 10 last year) or our defense (who weren't the ones who scored less than 20 points in several big home games last year). Now he's in a new city and suddenly their running game looks worse and he's having the same 2nd and 4th quarter struggles.

I feel bad for Bears fans because they've been sold a bill of goods that I honestly don't think will come to fruition for them. In some ways I hope Cutler epically bombs the rest of the season. Not just to improve our draft pick, but because he needs Lovie and his crew ousted and someone like Shanahan of Gruden brought in to get his fundamentals developing again and to push the mental toughness he seems to lack.

Bronco Yoda
10-21-2009, 07:59 PM
Dan Reeves did a good job with Elway when he was young. He kept him reigned in and then let him loose in the 4th qtr. It was maddening to watch sometimes... but the results spoke for themselves.

Cutler needs this.

Bronx33
10-22-2009, 10:57 AM
Haha well that was technically my fault, I put McBuff up to it. He didn't even have a username at the Bears board before that. No disloyalty there, McBuff is a good guy even if he does like Cutler too much.

I wasn't saying BB was being disloyal.

socnorb777
10-22-2009, 11:00 AM
Unlike many in Denver, I don't wish any ill will to the Bears and Jay, but I think it has become patently obvious that we got the better end of that trade.

BroncoBuff
10-22-2009, 11:15 AM
Unlike many in Denver, I don't wish any ill will to the Bears and Jay, but I think it has become patently obvious that we got the better end of that trade.
socnorB ... really?

I realize it's a bye week Hotrod, but enough is enough.

BroncoBuff
10-22-2009, 12:45 PM
socnorB ... really?

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Bronx33
10-22-2009, 12:48 PM
I don't think thats hotrod buff.