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easymobee
10-18-2009, 11:44 PM
Article written about our former douche of a QB after his latest National TV Fail.

Written by ESPN's Chicago correspondent. Points out the obvious problems the Bears face with OL, OC, RB, and ETC.

I think that the notion of Cutler plus 08 Bears equals 11 wins or better is starting to be realized as somewhat of a probable pipe dream. That team has a lot of problems and no decent draft picks for 2 years.

Keeping the CHI pick looks better every week. Also, i heard that the post game presser was another poutfest tonight, didn't see it with my own 2 though.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/columns/story?columnist=greenberg_jon&id=4576048

One of the biggest shocks to me has been Matt Forte's ineffectiveness as many thought Cutlers arm would open up some lanes for him. I say there is plenty of room on the A-Train, Curtin Enis, and Rashaan Salaam scrapheap for him.

One of the least shocking things to me is this notion going on in July that Greg Olsen was gonna suddenly be a superstar based on Cutler arriving in Chicago being disproved to this point.

BroncoBuff
10-18-2009, 11:50 PM
I dunno ... Atlanta is a damn good team, and that was a whisker-close loss tonight on the road.

That is a very negative Jay article though, I think the most negative one I've seen.

The bad running game is not his fault, but his recievers are better than we thought they'd be.

lex
10-19-2009, 12:03 AM
This is shaping up to be kind of interesting where Chicago's running game is concerned. Its starting to be more and more reminiscent of the Dolphins of the late 90s where Jimmy Johnson would try to give Miami the necessary balance to compete but in the end, they always ran back to papa, which in their case, was the passing of Dan Marino.

Going forward, it will be interesting to see how the big picture issue of cultivating a running game interfaces with the more immediate need to win individual games.

Lovie (who lives 3 blocks from me) is still insisting theyre a running team though.

Taco John
10-19-2009, 12:04 AM
Jay Cutler didn't get stood up on the one yard line. He didn't have his best game out there, but he put his team in position to at least tie that game.

Archer81
10-19-2009, 12:08 AM
Sometimes it seems like Jay gets to a point where he simply does not care anymore about the game. That attitude rubs off on teammates. Also interesting to compare him to Ryan. Ryan has 21 career games but seems to be ahead of Jay developmentally.

:Broncos:

easymobee
10-19-2009, 12:09 AM
I think we all figured that Forte was good for 1400 plus yards this year (given that he stayed healthy) plus 50 or more catches. The OLine is rather horrible though.

Ive been reading some Bears boards and i think that they are feeling somewhat snakebitten with RB's, considering their recent history. If there were more of a capable backup than Garrett Wolffe or "the other" Adrian Peterson (who is banged up) they'd be calling for it as a fanbase.

Maybe Chicago can focus on fixing their Oline in the offseason, since Knox, Hester, and Bennett seem like a servicable trio going forward.

Im kinda hoping for a TO trade myself, but for all the wrong reasons.

azbroncfan
10-19-2009, 12:11 AM
I dunno ... Atlanta is a damn good team, and that was a whisker-close loss tonight on the road.

That is a very negative Jay article though, I think the most negative one I've seen.

The bad running game is not his fault, but his recievers are better than we thought they'd be.

Yeah but that is a suspected post from Jay's fluffer.

easymobee
10-19-2009, 12:14 AM
Jay Cutler didn't get stood up on the one yard line. He didn't have his best game out there, but he put his team in position to at least tie that game.

He played well overall, but because of what has transpired he will be forced to wear every loss like he earned it himself.

The only one who will share a meaningful amount of the heat with him is Lovie Smith (maybe moreso).

Pat Bowlen
10-19-2009, 01:20 AM
That is a very negative Jay article though, I think the most negative one I've seen.
What?

cutthemdown
10-19-2009, 02:04 AM
I dunno ... Atlanta is a damn good team, and that was a whisker-close loss tonight on the road.

That is a very negative Jay article though, I think the most negative one I've seen.

The bad running game is not his fault, but his recievers are better than we thought they'd be.

I do think Cutler makes WR better because they know he can throw ball at any angle to any spot on the field. Having a QB like that lifts the passing game, but also makes offense more inconsistent then a running, controlled passing team will be.

I just don't know what happened to the run game? Did they lose interior olineman because those guys playing like crap. Forte has no room to run really.

Bears are finding out there is no magic trade that turns you into a winner. Sure we won after trading for Elway, but it took a ton of hard work, blood, sweat and tears. Elway took a lot of heat in his career for being the golden boy who demanded a trade.

Cutler has to realize you often have to scratch and scrape to end up a winner in the NFL. Ask Marino, Kelly, Fouts how easy it is to be a champion. Ask George, Leaf, Marinovich about whether or not it's easy to blow a career.

cutthemdown
10-19-2009, 02:06 AM
Bears fans were kidding themselves if they though trading for a big armed QB was a ticket to the playoffs and beyond. If anything Cutler needs a team to show him how to win. It eludes him.

Makes you wonder if some of his personality is what kept the big name college teams from bringing him on board. Was he big out of HS? how did he end up at Vandy?

dextermilo
10-19-2009, 02:13 AM
Watching the game I thought that the Bears played pretty well but choked multiple times. Certainly seemed to be the more productive team on offense.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-19-2009, 04:56 AM
Jay Cutler didn't get stood up on the one yard line. He didn't have his best game out there, but he put his team in position to at least tie that game.

The two picks didn't help, one of them in the red zone (classic Jay) that actually DID take points off the board. Cutler thinks those throws through, Chicago wins going away.

NYBronc
10-19-2009, 05:06 AM
I dunno ... Atlanta is a damn good team, and that was a whisker-close loss tonight on the road.

That is a very negative Jay article though, I think the most negative one I've seen.

The bad running game is not his fault, but his recievers are better than we thought they'd be.


Did you even read it? This is how Greenberg ends the article.

"Cutler is going to get his share of blame for this one, for his two picks, including that first-quarter one in the red zone, and deservedly so. But his failures in two Sunday night games can't be placed fully on his shoulders, without first assigning blame to a weak offensive line and a non-existent running game."

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-19-2009, 05:16 AM
Passing judgment on Cutler based on the Bears 7 point LOSS to Atlanta is pretty lame.

Atlanta are a good team, the game was alive in the last drive, and Cutler didn't turn it over to finish the game, ... not really a big deal IMO.


I'm not a big fan of Cutler, but I'm not about to call him out after week 6.

Traveler
10-19-2009, 06:12 AM
This wasn't a loss that could or should be put on Jay. Atlanta has a helluva defense.

Their defense won the game for them because they made plays to stop Chicago when they needed to. Simple as that.

BroncoInferno
10-19-2009, 06:21 AM
Jay Cutler didn't get stood up on the one yard line. He didn't have his best game out there, but he put his team in position to at least tie that game.

He did turn the ball over in the red zone again, though.

Man-Goblin
10-19-2009, 06:49 AM
That is a very negative Jay article though, I think the most negative one I've seen.

You should see what's written on my bathroom wall.

TheDave
10-19-2009, 07:11 AM
Keeping the CHI pick looks better every week.

Their schedule is still freakishly easy... but yes a 2-3 V. 6-0 start is good for us.

Cutler struggleing doesn't surprise me. Significantly less talent at WR and Oline will do that, though that certainly doesn't excuse the red zone picks.

The part I'm trying to figure out is what the hell happened to Forte?

TonyR
10-19-2009, 07:13 AM
...but yes a 2-3 V. 6-0 start is good for us.


Chi is 3-2.

backup qb
10-19-2009, 07:16 AM
Bears fans were kidding themselves if they though trading for a big armed QB was a ticket to the playoffs and beyond. If anything Cutler needs a team to show him how to win. It eludes him.

Makes you wonder if some of his personality is what kept the big name college teams from bringing him on board. Was he big out of HS? how did he end up at Vandy?

Cutler was all but set to attend the Univ of Illinois under Ron Turner. Turner was miffed at Cutler because Jay had to play in a basketball tourney and couldn't make a visit(how dare he stay for his team). Turner then rescinded the offer or something to that effect. For those of us here in Illinois, we can only wonder how different things might have been. Turner gets us to a Rose Bowl and then wins 3 games a year until he's fired. Unfortunately, it looks like Zook is following suit.

tsiguy96
10-19-2009, 07:17 AM
forte is on a HUGE decline, but the issue i have is this: kyle orton last year won with less talent basically everywhere and a comparable if not worse defense. why did he not get the credit then? yet now that cutler is there and they have better WR, similar oline and same RB (albeit on sophomore slump), its magically everyone elses fault when they lose?

the bears D this year is playing great, no question. after all the turnovers the entire bears team has had this year, to keep them in the game is great.

TheDave
10-19-2009, 07:18 AM
Chi is 3-2.

Damn... See this is what happens when you spend the offseason focused on a top 10 pick.

skpac1001
10-19-2009, 07:25 AM
forte is on a HUGE decline, but the issue i have is this: kyle orton last year won with less talent basically everywhere and a comparable if not worse defense. why did he not get the credit then? yet now that cutler is there and they have better WR, similar oline and same RB (albeit on sophomore slump), its magically everyone elses fault when they lose?

the bears D this year is playing great, no question. after all the turnovers the entire bears team has had this year, to keep them in the game is great.

I wonder why also. The only thing I can think up is that Cutler makes mediocrity look good, and the things Orton does to win are not obvious and dramatic enough for fans, although McDaniels saw it.

tsiguy96
10-19-2009, 07:27 AM
I wonder why also. The only thing I can think up is that Cutler makes mediocrity look good, and the things Orton does to win are not obvious and dramatic enough for fans, although McDaniels saw it.

thats what im thinking. cutler is flashy and extends plays and makes huge bombs downfield, it all looks pretty...but orton just wins the games...

barryr
10-19-2009, 07:39 AM
Cutler still makes big mistakes that lose games. He doesn't seem to do that when playing at home, but when on the road, just forces too many passes or makes poor decisions. Yes, some passes can look great, the throws that most QB's wouldn't attempt because of the high risk, but as has happened, they can look really bad when they don't work out and become turnovers.

McDaniels, as been stated many times, wants his QB to make the throws that are there and not force stuff so much and doesn't seem to care if the QB is flashy or not. Tom Brady is hardly a flashy QB and typically does not force passes into coverage unless behind late in a game and has to make play. Cutler makes those throws anytime during a game when they aren't needed.

Pseudofool
10-19-2009, 07:50 AM
Jay Cutler didn't get stood up on the one yard line. He didn't have his best game out there, but he put his team in position to at least tie that game.
Cutler's not supposed to be the QB that puts you in position to win, he's supposed to be the QB that wins you the freaking game.

ScottXray
10-19-2009, 08:29 AM
I watched last night, and frankly was impressed with HWSNBNs play.

He was under heavy rush most of the game and was really hitting guys
with passes at the last possible instant. And he was putting it pretty much right on the money or where the reciever was. He did get his team in position to win.

I thought that after they fell behind late he would maybe start to go mopey, but he kept his head in the game and gave his team a chance.

However, his two picks were bad, especially the one in the RZ. He continues to be a one TD to one TO machine. He'll have a few good games and then a few bad games.

Chicago is finding out that it takes a TEAM to make a "franchise QB" live up to his
billing.

Mostly the Bears D has been playing pretty well, considering the loss of multiple LBs . I can't quite figure out why Forte is being stuffed over and over, after doing so well last year. Maybe the fact that the D is all about getting to JC is disrupting the run blocking by crashing the line. And nobody feared Orton?

outdoor_miner
10-19-2009, 08:48 AM
Cutler's not supposed to be the QB that puts you in position to win, he's supposed to be the QB that wins you the freaking game.

Exactly. Everyone said that the running game would open up with Cutler under center. Cutler supposedly made our O-Line better than it really was due to his mobility, quick release, and pocket presence, so Chicago's O-Line would suddenly become a lot better than it looked on paper. The defense would ratchet up the pressure because they knew they had an offense that could score.

This is why Jay is not yet a "franchise" quarterback. For whatever reason, he is unable to carry a team. At this point - it doesn't even appear that Chicago is better than they were last year. Yes, the passing game is better, but the team does not appear to be.

That being said - the year is still young. He is undoubtedly talented. He makes several jaw dropping throws every game (along with a handful of headscratchers). However, if he wants to be a "franchise" quarterback, he needs to start carrying the team to wins.

cutthemdown
10-19-2009, 09:05 AM
Cutler was all but set to attend the Univ of Illinois under Ron Turner. Turner was miffed at Cutler because Jay had to play in a basketball tourney and couldn't make a visit(how dare he stay for his team). Turner then rescinded the offer or something to that effect. For those of us here in Illinois, we can only wonder how different things might have been. Turner gets us to a Rose Bowl and then wins 3 games a year until he's fired. Unfortunately, it looks like Zook is following suit.

Cool back info I did not know. So Cutler played college basketball also huh? I didn't know that, no wonder he moves around so well.

Master___Pain
10-19-2009, 09:19 AM
Cool back info I did not know. So Cutler played college basketball also huh? I didn't know that, no wonder he moves around so well.

Cutler did not play college basketball. He was referring to Jay playing in a tourney while in HS, and Turner was expecting him on a recruiting visit that same weekend.

TonyR
10-19-2009, 09:20 AM
...now that cutler is there and they have better WR, similar oline and same RB (albeit on sophomore slump), its magically everyone elses fault when they lose?


And they supposedly updgraded their O-line. The excuses were inevitable. In Denver it was all the defense's fault. In Chicago it's everyone else on the offense's fault. Also notice that Cutler didn't make Chi's O-line and running game better and Denver's worse. What happened ???

HEAV
10-19-2009, 10:07 AM
2 of 9 in the Redzone a passing rating of 37.0 with 10 yards, 1 TD and 1 Int.

VS

4-5 in the Redzone a Passing rating of 135.4 with 35 yards, 1 TD 0 Int.

Which would you rather have playing QB for you?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-19-2009, 10:11 AM
2 of 9 in the Redzone a passing rating of 37.0 with 10 yards, 1 TD and 1 Int.

VS

4-5 in the Redzone a Passing rating of 135.4 with 35 yards, 1 TD 0 Int.

Which would you rather have playing QB for you?

Wow. 2 of 9 is Cutler... is the other one Matty Ass?

HEAV
10-19-2009, 10:37 PM
http://img40.imagehaven.net/img/thumbs/90N0XXLJO7_CutlerRedzone.JPG (http://img40.imagehaven.net/img.php?id=90N0XXLJO7_CutlerRedzone.JPG)

OK QB A is a strong arm gunner.

http://img30.imagehaven.net/img/thumbs/1U5LAQYCDG_OrtonRedzone.JPG (http://img30.imagehaven.net/img.php?id=1U5LAQYCDG_OrtonRedzone.JPG)

QB B is a game manager.