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Bronx33
10-14-2009, 03:29 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/how_congress_is_cooking_the_books_LxRIv5kX1IWKBXBd Wsw3rI

LAST week, the Senate Finance Committee voted 12-11 not to wait for the Congressional Budget Office to "score" its health-care bill before the committee votes on it. Imagine that: Some senators actually wanted to know how much the bill costs before voting on it.

Let them get away with something like that, and before you know it they'll be demanding honest accounting practices -- sending the whole legislative process to hell in a hand basket.

When it comes to the health-care-reform debate, you see, honest budgeting is nowhere to be seen.

Start with the simple matter of how much health-care reform will cost. The House bill, HR 3200, will cost roughly $1.3 trillion over 10 years -- or so we're told. By the same token, the Senate Finance Committee bill is supposed to cost just under $900 billion. Sure, that's a lot of money -- but it still badly understates the true cost.

The CBO provides 10- year projections of a bill's cost. But most provisions of the health bill don't take effect until 2014. So the "10-year" cost projection only includes six years of the bill.

Plus, the costs ramp up slowly. In its first year, the House bill would only cost about $6 billion; in its first three, less than $100 billion. The big costs are in the final years of the 10-year budget window -- and beyond. In fact, over the first 10 years that the House bill would be in existence (2014 to 2024), its costs would be closer to $2.4 trillion. Similarly, the real cost of the Senate bill over 10 years of operation is estimated at $1.5 trillion.

Worse, the trajectory of the costs after 10 years rises dramatically -- meaning "reform" would cost even more in its second 10 years and beyond.

Such gimmicks also infest the projections of how much reform will add to the deficit. CBO says the House bill adds $235 billion to the deficit. But that, again, cuts off arbitrarily in 2019. Beyond that date, the bill adds enormously to the deficit, about $1.5 trillion in the second 10 years. In fact, if the health-reform bill were treated like other entitlements, such as Social Security and Medicare, which are required to have a 75-year actuarial forecast, its unfunded liabilities would exceed $9.2 trillion.

Of course, the Senate Finance Bill is supposed to be deficit-neutral. But that claim relies on other forms of budgetary flimflam.

For example, the Senate bill relies on Medicare "savings" that Congress keeps refusing to make. Specifically, Medicare has long been ordered to cut 21 percent from what it pays health-care providers -- yet, each year since 2003, for reasons both good and bad, Congress has voted to defer the cuts.

Does anyone else really think that Congress is simply going to slash payments to doctors and hospitals by 21 percent across the board?

Of course, President Obama has long said we can cut Medicare by $500 billion simply by eliminating fraud, waste and abuse. That would be the same "fraud, waste and abuse" that the government has been cutting since Ronald Reagan first used the term.

The truth is that health-care reform is going to cost us a lot. And we're going to pay for it in higher taxes and more debt.

No wonder they don't want us to know.

Michael Tanner, a Cato Institute senior fellow, is author of "Healthy Competition: What's Holding Back Health Care and How to Free It."

peacepipe
10-16-2009, 07:14 AM
Laughable thread, where were you during the bush yrs.

SPfloppy
10-16-2009, 07:39 AM
^How bout the Clinton years? Bush 1? This happens with all american politicians regardless of party affiliation. They all cheat, skim, spin and make money matters an easier sell to us, so as to soften the fiscal blow

Rohirrim
10-16-2009, 08:39 AM
Rule #1: When it's a war bill, the GOP never wants to know how much it costs. If it's a bill to help the average American, they start counting pennies.

SPfloppy
10-16-2009, 08:43 AM
Rule #1: When it's a war bill, the GOP never wants to know how much it costs. If it's a bill to help the average American, they start counting pennies.

:)

Bronx33
10-22-2009, 12:26 PM
Laughable thread, where were you during the bush yrs.


Laughable? Where are you during the obama months. (remember obama saying healthcare won't add to the Deficit)

Democrats’ Dishonest Doc Fix Dodges Deficit

Under a fig leaf provided by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats who run the House of Representatives are trying to pull a fast one where healthcare reform is concerned.

Back when he spoke to a joint session of Congress, President Obama outlined his vision for a healthcare reform bill that, while he has yet to put anything to paper that has been released to the public, promised a deficit-neutral outcome. None of the three bills currently before the House met that criteria, in no small measure because the so-called public option is a budget buster.

Lo and behold, the CBO has just produced a preliminary estimate that the latest version of the House bills it has examined would, from a cost perspective, come in just under the wire at $871 billion over 10 years, a figure just inside Obama's $900 billion target. And, said CBO, it would reduce the total federal deficit by forcing reductions in the cost of healthcare all around.

Except these are, in the macro perspective, dishonest numbers.

What Pelosi is proposing to do, and what Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada tried and failed to do Wednesday, is strip provisions out of the healthcare reform package that freeze cuts in payments to doctors that are mandated under current law and take them up as a separate piece of legislation that would, therefore, not count toward the healthcare reform bottom line.

The bill, the Medicare Physicians Fairness Act—which on Capitol Hill is also being called the "Doc Fix"—would cost the federal government nearly $250 billion over 10 years which, when it was part of the healthcare bill, boosted the cost well above what Obama told Congress he could accept. As Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said Wednesday in opposing it, the payments freeze as currently constructed is just "another quarter of a trillion dollars on the federal credit card."

Without the freeze, doctors would see their Medicare reimbursements drop by 21 percent in 2010 and by 40 percent by 2016. So passing it, in healthcare reform or outside of it, is seen by congressional Democrats as something that is essential if the final bill, whatever it says, is to win the support of the American Medical Association.

More than that, the move to separate out the "doc fix" from the overall reform package has provided yet another lightening rod for critics of Obamacare. As conservative healthcare expert Peter Ferrara puts it, "For the Democrats to put the supposed fix for payments to doctors and hospitals in a separate bill and call the original health overhaul bill deficit neutral is an unprecedented legislative fraud on the American people."


Good news though ( it was defeated) and a few smart dems chipped in) and reid claims he was mislead by the AMA ( what a joke) he was just trying to
hide $250 billion that does go towards the Deficit contrairy to obamas lip service.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/64117-reid-tells-colleagues-he-was-led-astray-by-the-ama#

A group of Democrats joined all Republicans in blocking a 10-year freeze of scheduled cuts to doctors' Medicare payments, legislation that was considered important to getting a broader healthcare bill through later this year.