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DeusExManning
10-14-2009, 02:55 PM
Broncos RB Buckhalter returns to practice

FRANK SCHWAB
THE GAZETTE

ENGLEWOOD – Running back Correll Buckhalter took a step toward returning for a huge AFC West showdown against San Diego on Monday.

Buckhalter, who missed Sunday’s game against New England with an ankle injury, practiced with the team Wednesday. He was taking normal repetitions during the period of practice that is open to the media. Buckhalter started Denver’s first four games at tailback and had 267 yards, averaging 7.2 yards per carry.

http://www.gazette.com/sports/broncos-63791-buckhalter-englewood.html

wolf754life
10-14-2009, 02:57 PM
excellent news him and the knowshon are a nice 1-2

DeusExManning
10-14-2009, 02:58 PM
I like it, the Chargers looked horrible against the run. Buck holds onto the ball.

kamakazi_kal
10-14-2009, 03:05 PM
We should be hiring the guy who helped Tiki Barber learn to hold onto the ball.
He would do wonders for Moreno.

bronco militia
10-14-2009, 03:12 PM
this thread should get a sticky

gtown
10-14-2009, 03:13 PM
7.2 ypc! This guy could definitely break off.... oh nevermind.

The Joker
10-14-2009, 03:13 PM
This would be huge for us.

The fresher we keep Moreno and Buckhalter, the more effective they are. With the Chargers sucking against the run, we'll want to run a lot. Look for Knowshon to get maybe 15-20 carries and Buckhalter to get 10-15, depending on how the game plays out.

jhat01
10-14-2009, 03:14 PM
It's weird too, because the dude didn't fumble once in college. Not once. And that's 2 solid years in the SEC. Nerves maybe? Probably just a matter of getting used to the hits and the strips at this level.

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outdoor_miner
10-14-2009, 03:14 PM
this thread should get a sticky

That's all well and good, but have you heard anything about Buckhalter's status???

I kid, I kid...

HILife
10-14-2009, 03:15 PM
we should be hiring the guy who helped tiki barber learn to hold onto the ball.
He would do wonders for moreno.

+1

crush17
10-14-2009, 03:24 PM
We should be hiring the guy who helped Tiki Barber learn to hold onto the ball.
He would do wonders for Moreno.

Oh you mean Tom Coughlin? Think he's tied up a bit...

Doggcow
10-14-2009, 03:33 PM
It's weird too, because the dude didn't fumble once in college. Not once. And that's 2 solid years in the SEC. Nerves maybe? Probably just a matter of getting used to the hits and the strips at this level.


Probably because he was shattering all the defenders' ankles before they had a chance to hit him on every run.

Tombstone RJ
10-14-2009, 03:37 PM
Bucky will break off 150 yards on the crappy Sandy Eggo defense.

Rohirrim
10-14-2009, 03:42 PM
Buckyball! !Booya!

DomCasual
10-14-2009, 03:59 PM
It's weird too, because the dude didn't fumble once in college. Not once. And that's 2 solid years in the SEC. Nerves maybe? Probably just a matter of getting used to the hits and the strips at this level.

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That's pretty amazing.

Doggcow
10-14-2009, 04:00 PM
That's pretty amazing.

He's a stud!

Punisher
10-14-2009, 04:02 PM
Hillis must get out of McD dog house, he can run the load as much as Buck and Jordan.

theAPAOps5
10-14-2009, 04:04 PM
Hillis has to stop f-ing up to get out of the doghouse. He has a serious case of the yips.

broncosteven
10-14-2009, 04:23 PM
I would really like to see Hillis catching some passes out of the backfield and punishing some tacklers. Maybe once Larsen heals up?

I wonder if he isn't getting along with Turner and or McDaniels.

The odd thing was I didn't remember even seeing a set where they had a FB. I am going to go through the DVR and see if Hillis made an appearance.

BlaK-Argentina
10-14-2009, 05:12 PM
Great news! And I mean GREAT news. Buck is a hell of a weapon. SD will have their hands full. Can't wait.

Drek
10-14-2009, 05:17 PM
I would really like to see Hillis catching some passes out of the backfield and punishing some tacklers. Maybe once Larsen heals up?[quote]
Maybe more like when Hillis stops ****ing up.

[quote]I wonder if he isn't getting along with Turner and or McDaniels.
I doubt he's their favorite person at this point, after all he's screwed up nearly every opportunity they've given him to make plays.

The odd thing was I didn't remember even seeing a set where they had a FB. I am going to go through the DVR and see if Hillis made an appearance.

He was in the game just before we used our first timeout. Of course, we used that timeout because he didn't know where to lineup.

The Hillis love on here baffles me. I love his skillset, but so far the guy obviously isn't getting it or is unwilling to get it. He's got to fit within the system to see playing time and the key to the system is "don't make mistakes and do your job", right now he can't.

listopencil
10-14-2009, 05:18 PM
Hillis has to stop f-ing up to get out of the doghouse. He has a serious case of the yips.


This. He's my boy, but he's ****ing up badly right now.

listopencil
10-14-2009, 05:20 PM
The Hillis love on here baffles me. I love his skillset, but so far the guy obviously isn't getting it or is unwilling to get it. He's got to fit within the system to see playing time and the key to the system is "don't make mistakes and do your job", right now he can't.


It's because of what he did last year. He was great. There is definitely some kind of mental problem going on with him right now. The potential is there with this kid. Hopefully the coaching staff can get it out of him.

baja
10-14-2009, 05:27 PM
this thread should get a sticky

I agree it might be good to have a stickied thread to post game information each week

Hogan11
10-14-2009, 05:31 PM
Regrettable or not, Hillis is already yesterday's news.

cutthemdown
10-14-2009, 05:34 PM
Hillis isn't enough of a big play threat to give ball to if he's going to make mistakes.

Moreno even though also having ball control issues is a player we have to bring along because he is vital to our offense. You need playmakers like him to give the ball to or your offense won't be dynamic.

Bucky back is great news. At this point he's still out best runner because of his experience.

rastaman
10-14-2009, 07:20 PM
[QUOTE=broncosteven;2599178]I would really like to see Hillis catching some passes out of the backfield and punishing some tacklers. Maybe once Larsen heals up?[quote]
Maybe more like when Hillis stops ****ing up.


I doubt he's their favorite person at this point, after all he's screwed up nearly every opportunity they've given him to make plays.



He was in the game just before we used our first timeout. Of course, we used that timeout because he didn't know where to lineup.

The Hillis love on here baffles me. I love his skillset, but so far the guy obviously isn't getting it or is unwilling to get it. He's got to fit within the system to see playing time and the key to the system is "don't make mistakes and do your job", right now he can't.

In defense of Hillis.....he's a good guy and is an untapped talent. He's having a rough time adjusting to his ST duties as well as not getting enough reps with the first team offense which explains why he probably didn't know where to line up.

I for one can't understand why so many fans are so quick to kick Hillis to the curb. I haven't heard that he's a locker room disruption and it looks like he's doing the best he can to learn both ST's and FB reponsibilites in a new system. There no off the field problems with Peyton and he gets along with his teammates and coaches.

Give the guy some slack and a vote of confidence. Of course we don't know whats going on behind close doors, so I'll take everything at face value. He's only a 24 year old kid! we fans shouldn't give up on him so soon.

We have all seen instances with our offense where it appears in short yardage situation and goal line situations, and lead blocking situations where Hillis could have been utilized. McD has got him buried deep on the bench wrongly or rightfully so. The fans need to give Hillis a vote of confidence and emplore him not to lose confidence and get down himself.

baja
10-14-2009, 07:22 PM
rastaman - give the guy some slack and a vote of confidence. Of course we don't know whats going on behind close doors, so i'll take everything at face value. He's only a 24 year old kid! We fans shouldn't give up on him so soon.

We have all seen instances with our offense where it appears in short yardage situation and goal line situations, and lead blocking situations where hillis could have been utilized. Mcd has got him buried deep on the bench wrongly or rightfully so. The fans need to give hillis a vote of confidence and emplore him not to lose confidence and get down himself.

pay the man

DBroncos4life
10-14-2009, 07:40 PM
I would really like to see Hillis catching some passes out of the backfield and punishing some tacklers. Maybe once Larsen heals up?

In defense of Hillis.....he's a good guy and is an untapped talent. He's having a rough time adjusting to his ST duties as well as not getting enough reps with the first team offense which explains why he probably didn't know where to line up.

I for one can't understand why so many fans are so quick to kick Hillis to the curb. I haven't heard that he's a locker room disruption and it looks like he's doing the best he can to learn both ST's and FB reponsibilites in a new system. There no off the field problems with Peyton and he gets along with his teammates and coaches.

Give the guy some slack and a vote of confidence. Of course we don't know whats going on behind close doors, so I'll take everything at face value. He's only a 24 year old kid! we fans shouldn't give up on him so soon.

We have all seen instances with our offense where it appears in short yardage situation and goal line situations, and lead blocking situations where Hillis could have been utilized. McD has got him buried deep on the bench wrongly or rightfully so. The fans need to give Hillis a vote of confidence and emplore him not to lose confidence and get down himself.

Dude every time you post this crap it makes me hate Hillis more and more. He brings NOTHING to the running game that isn't being handled by Buck or Moreno. If ever there is a situation that comes up where we need a over hyped FULLBACK/SP PLAYER to **** up and make a mistake I'm sure McD will call on Hillis. Till then he should sit his happy ass on the bench and be thankful he is on a roster. He needs to work on lots of things and I don't get how you think he has even came close to earning the chance to steal a rep from the people in front of him.

strafen
10-14-2009, 07:56 PM
He's a stud!Give him a little time
This is the NFL, nobody can expect Moreno to come in a tear it up right away, but he's showing flashes of how good he could be...

rastaman
10-14-2009, 07:59 PM
[QUOTE=rastaman;2599341][QUOTE=Drek;2599241]

Dude every time you post this crap it makes me hate Hillis more and more. He brings NOTHING to the running game that isn't being handled by Buck or Moreno. If ever there is a situation that comes up where we need a over hyped FULLBACK/SP PLAYER to **** up and make a mistake I'm sure McD will call on Hillis. Till then he should sit his happy ass on the bench and be thankful he is on a roster. He needs to work on lots of things and I don't get how you think he has even came close to earning the chance to steal a rep from the people in front of him.

Oh yeah I hear ya! Seventh round pick--dirt cheap salary....who needs the scrub! Meanwhile, Buckhalter and Moreno sure strikes fear in the hearts of opposing Defenses to to pickup 3rd and inches/short, and their automatic money smashing the ball over the goal line. Yes I hear you all the way. Fuc it....just put Hillis on waivers hes a failure and a waste of time.

There! Do you feel better!:thumbs:

DBroncos4life
10-14-2009, 08:02 PM
Oh yeah I hear ya! Seventh round pick--dirt cheap salary....who needs the scrub! Meanwhile, Buckhalter and Moreno sure strikes fear in the hearts of opposing Defenses to to pickup 3rd and inches/short, and their automatic money smashing the ball over the goal line. Yes I hear you all the way. Fuc it....just put Hillis on waivers hes a failure and a waste of time.

There! Do you feel better!:thumbs:

If Buck and Moreno don't strike fear into teams then what the hell is o'l Hillis going to do with his 1.3 yard per carry avg? The dude is far from MONEY OTHER WISE HE WOULD BE ON THE ****ING FIELD ON THIRD AND SHORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

cutthemdown
10-14-2009, 08:04 PM
[QUOTE=DBroncos4life;2599360][QUOTE=rastaman;2599341]

Oh yeah I hear ya! Seventh round pick--dirt cheap salary....who needs the scrub! Meanwhile, Buckhalter and Moreno sure strikes fear in the hearts of opposing Defenses to to pickup 3rd and inches/short, and their automatic money smashing the ball over the goal line. Yes I hear you all the way. Fuc it....just put Hillis on waivers hes a failure and a waste of time.

There! Do you feel better!:thumbs:

No one takes you seriously because you say stupid things. In the other thread you suggested they should have used Hillis to double team Vince Wilfork. That's about the stupidest idea I have ever heard. If your lead blocker is running into tackles something wrong. They are supposed to get through the hole and take on backers and dbacks.

You doublle DT with a OG/C combo, you don't try and run a FB or RB up to the LOS to double a DT.

The reason bigger players like Hillis not always a better option for short yardage is because they are slow to the LOS and lack the wiggle to slide through small openings.

It's smart to give the ball to Moreno. He is the future and needs the work to grow into the player he can be. Hillis is a role player get over it. He will probably never be a starting RB in the NFL.

You aren't as smart as you think you are Rastaturd

rastaman
10-14-2009, 08:10 PM
[QUOTE=rastaman;2599385][QUOTE=DBroncos4life;2599360]

If Buck and Moreno don't strike fear into teams then what the hell is o'l Hillis going to do with his 1.3 yard per carry avg? The dude is far from MONEY OTHER WISE HE WOULD BE ON THE ****ING FIELD ON THIRD AND SHORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

Okay Dumb Billy what ever you say! Meanwhile you will will prove me wrong once the RBBC consisting of Buckhalter and Moreno are the answer for 3rd and short/inches and they're both or the other are smashing the ball over the goal line in the next 11 weeks then I will concede you were right. Meanwhile lets allow Hillis to rot on the bench b/c at 6-2, and 250 he just ain't strong enough. :sunshine:

cutthemdown
10-14-2009, 08:13 PM
[QUOTE=DBroncos4life;2599392][QUOTE=rastaman;2599385]

Okay Dumb Billy what ever you say! Meanwhile you will will prove me wrong once the RBBC consisting of Buckhalter and Moreno are the answer for 3rd and short/inches and they're both or the other are smashing the ball over the goal line in the next 11 weeks then I will concede you were right. Meanwhile lets allow Hillis to rot on the bench b/c at 6-2, and 250 he just ain't strong enough. :sunshine:

So far you have been wrong about Mcdaniels, Orton, Bmarsh so get ready to be wrong about this also.

I predict a big day running the ball this week.

DBroncos4life
10-14-2009, 08:14 PM
So far you have been wrong about Mcdaniels, Orton, Bmarsh so get ready to be wrong about this also.

I predict a big day running the ball this week.

Coach its third in inches should we send in "Money" or run up the gut with one of those other scrubs? Send in the scrubs.....

rastaman
10-14-2009, 08:18 PM
[QUOTE=rastaman;2599385][QUOTE=DBroncos4life;2599360]

No one takes you seriously because you say stupid things. In the other thread you suggested they should have used Hillis to double team Vince Wilfork. That's about the stupidest idea I have ever heard. If your lead blocker is running into tackles something wrong. They are supposed to get through the hole and take on backers and dbacks.

You doublle DT with a OG/C combo, you don't try and run a FB or RB up to the LOS to double a DT.

The reason bigger players like Hillis not always a better option for short yardage is because they are slow to the LOS and lack the wiggle to slide through small openings.

It's smart to give the ball to Moreno. He is the future and needs the work to grow into the player he can be. Hillis is a role player get over it. He will probably never be a starting RB in the NFL.

You aren't as smart as you think you are Rastaturd

Well Cut-A-Fart you are evidently a legend in your own mind and beyond reproach! But you couldn't be further from the truth! You can't biasely say Hillis is too slow in short yardage/goal line situation if he's never given the opportunity to prove otherwise.

Look Simpleton......Moreno is getting plenty of reps not b/c he's necessarily better than Hillis, it has everything to do with getting selected in the 1st round and the amount of money he's getting paid. Don't get me wrong I'm in Moreno's corner as well and want to get Rookie of the Year and all the accolades etc., You and I just have a differing of opinion on Hillis and what he brings to the table if given a chance to show what he can do.

You have a nice Bronco Day-----IDIOT!

broncosteven
10-14-2009, 08:20 PM
[QUOTE=rastaman;2599341][QUOTE=Drek;2599241]

Dude every time you post this crap it makes me hate Hillis more and more. He brings NOTHING to the running game that isn't being handled by Buck or Moreno. If ever there is a situation that comes up where we need a over hyped FULLBACK/SP PLAYER to **** up and make a mistake I'm sure McD will call on Hillis. Till then he should sit his happy ass on the bench and be thankful he is on a roster. He needs to work on lots of things and I don't get how you think he has even came close to earning the chance to steal a rep from the people in front of him.

Which dude were you talking to? Me or Rasta?

We could use Hillis in screens and out in the flat as a pass catching HB/FB while giving Know Mo and Buck a rest.

He would also kick ass out of the Wildcat if they use it anymore this year.

I think the big story right now is getting Knowshon to hold on to the ball, as it is looking like McDaniels wants to feature him.

Eldorado
10-14-2009, 08:21 PM
errr...

broncosteven
10-14-2009, 08:22 PM
What is up with all the Quote's?

They don't look right in this thread.

UberBroncoMan
10-14-2009, 08:23 PM
Great news!

DBroncos4life
10-14-2009, 08:23 PM
What is up with all the Quote's?

They don't look right in this thread.

Rasta messed them up quoting someone and it went down hill from there.

Eldorado
10-14-2009, 08:24 PM
I think vbulletin caught the retard bug from the posters.

ZONA
10-14-2009, 08:24 PM
[QUOTE=rastaman;2599341][QUOTE=Drek;2599241]

Dude every time you post this crap it makes me hate Hillis more and more. He brings NOTHING to the running game that isn't being handled by Buck or Moreno.

BULL F'ING SCHIT

Our short yardage running has had some real problems. There have been several short 3rd and 4th down conversions stuffed for no yards and Hillis really has a knack for getting those tough yards. There is no reason at all he should not be on the field in that situation.

If somebody posting something makes you want to hate on a player more then you already do then you have some issues.

theAPAOps5
10-14-2009, 08:25 PM
What is up with all the Quote's?

They don't look right in this thread.

Rasta is kind of a dumb ass. Can't even post on a simple internet forum.

rastaman
10-14-2009, 08:25 PM
[QUOTE=cutthemdown;2599410][QUOTE=rastaman;2599406]

Coach its third in inches should we send in "Money" or run up the gut with one of those other scrubs? Send in the scrubs.....

Coach its 3rd and inches give the ball to Moreno or Buckhalter! Thats money and garanteed to keep the chains moving and eating up the clock. Dont' forget to show and prove to the rest of the NFL that Moreno and Buckhalter can be counted on to smash the ball over the goal post as well.

Oh yeah, that scrub taken in the 7th round in last years draft, lets waterboard him and toughen him up! Maybe some waterboarding will help him focus more and stop making all those silly azz mistakes! After all,......that 2008 7th round scrub is the only jerk making mistakes. If that doesn't work....lets just put him on waivers and be done with it.

Eldorado
10-14-2009, 08:27 PM
:facepalm:

rastaman
10-14-2009, 08:32 PM
[QUOTE=DBroncos4life;2599360][QUOTE=rastaman;2599341]

BULL F'ING SCHIT

Our short yardage running has had some real problems. There have been several short 3rd and 4th down conversions stuffed for no yards and Hillis really has a knack for getting those tough yards. There is no reason at all he should not be on the field in that situation.

If somebody posting something makes you want to hate on a player more then you already do then you have some issues.

Aw that's alright ZONA. These moron's are in denial! After all, these Dumb Billy's know every thing. These idiots actually thought at the beginning of the season that the Broncos didn't need the services and talent of Brandon Marshall. Boy were they wrong. Now they expect everyone to believe that Moreno and Buckhalter are better short yardage / goal line RB's than Peyton Hillis! Boy the ignorance---its amazing.

DBroncos4life
10-14-2009, 08:32 PM
BULL F'ING SCHIT

Our short yardage running has had some real problems. There have been several short 3rd and 4th down conversions stuffed for no yards and Hillis really has a knack for getting those tough yards. There is no reason at all he should not be on the field in that situation.

If somebody posting something makes you want to hate on a player more then you already do then you have some issues.

LOL So in your mind he has played flawless and the coach is just making a mistake when it comes to why Hillis isn't on the field? Is that what I'm getting from this?

rastaman
10-14-2009, 08:34 PM
:facepalm:

So how long have you been a NERD....dumb Azz!:wiggle:

DBroncos4life
10-14-2009, 08:34 PM
Aw that's alright ZONA. These moron's are in denial! After all, these Dumb Billy's know every thing. These idiots actually thought at the beginning of the season that the Broncos didn't need the services and talent of Brandon Marshall. Boy were they wrong. Now they expect everyone to believe that Moreno and Buckhalter are better short yardage / goal line RB's than Peyton Hillis! Boy the ignorance---its amazing.

Dude all you have to do is take out the middle quotes and leave the poster that you actually want to quote still in there. But hey I'm dumb what do I know.

rastaman
10-14-2009, 08:35 PM
Dude all you have to do is take out the middle quotes and leave the poster that you actually want to quote still in there. But hey I'm dumb what do I know.

Dude you don't know anything.....but your ego says otherwise! I won't disturb you!:sunshine:

DBroncos4life
10-14-2009, 08:39 PM
Dude you don't know anything.....but your ego says otherwise! I won't disturb you!:sunshine:

Congrats on working the quote button right. :thumbs:

rastaman
10-14-2009, 08:47 PM
LOL So in your mind he has played flawless and the coach is just making a mistake when it comes to why Hillis isn't on the field? Is that what I'm getting from this?

Come on man NO one had played flawlessly on the entire Team. Its just seems Hillis was given the shortest time to recover from errors/mistakes! And I'm not talking special teams per say we can all agree he's made his share of errors. But when it comes to the first team offense, Hillis hasn't been given very many reps to show what he can do.

Now if either Buckhalter or Moreno can't get it done consistently in the 3rd and short/inches situation as well as as the goal line situation; I think Hillis should be given an opportunity to see if he's the difference maker. But if Hillis remains in the dog house for screwing up on special teams and its used against him as to why he receives no opportunites with the first team offense,.....well I think that decision could cost us some games btwn the 6th and 16th games remaining on our schedule.

rastaman
10-14-2009, 08:48 PM
Congrats on working the quote button right. :thumbs:

You're Well Come. I wish I could be as flawless as you.....and so does Hillis!:wiggle:

DBroncos4life
10-14-2009, 08:55 PM
You're Well Come. I wish I could be as flawless as you.....and so does Hillis!:wiggle:

I wish Hillis would spend a little less time caring about me and more time trying to figure out what he needs to do to get on the football field.

DBroncos4life
10-14-2009, 09:17 PM
Rastaman why do you think people are hating on Hillis......


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rastaman
10-14-2009, 09:20 PM
I wish Hillis would spend a little less time caring about me and more time trying to figure out what he needs to do to get on the football field.

Hillis doesn't even know you exist......See didn't I tell you your ego was beyond reproach and you were a legend in your own mind.:peace:

rastaman
10-14-2009, 09:22 PM
Rastaman why do you think people are hating on Hillis......click link for answer.


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Hate is a little strong choice of words isn't it? Hillis has nothing but love for you! :sunshine: Why can't you reciprocate the same love?:strong:

rastaman
10-14-2009, 09:24 PM
Rastaman why do you think people are hating on Hillis......click link for answer.


http://www.entertonement.com/clips/xpxtjlxwzr--IgnorantMichael-Jackson-

Why do you have regrets "Sleeping Over at Jackson's Never-Never Land"!:thanku:

DBroncos4life
10-14-2009, 09:26 PM
Hillis doesn't even know you exist......See didn't I tell you your ego was beyond reproach and you were a legend in your own mind.:peace:

Then how do you explain this?

You're Well Come. I wish I could be as flawless as you.....and so does Hillis!:wiggle:

Hate is a little strong choice of words isn't it? Hillis has nothing but love for you! :sunshine: Why can't you reciprocate the same love?:strong:


Does Hillis make a habit of wishing he could be flawless and love people he doesn't even know? He either loves me and wants to be flawless like me or he doesn't even know I exist. You have given me three choices so you pick out the right answer.

OBF1
10-15-2009, 12:31 AM
Good news, We can use him for sure.

broncocalijohn
10-15-2009, 02:56 AM
7.2 ypc! This guy could definitely break off.... oh nevermind.

only around since august and he already gets it. Very nice. Buck is part of the two headed monster. With Moreno doing well in the flats, I like our options with both. I think Buck might be a better short yardage guy since Moreno hasnt done well in the few Ive seen him (including not following Hillis on a 4th down and half yard). We should be able to have both guys get 70 yards each.

Popps
10-15-2009, 03:08 AM
Again, there's clearly more going on with Hillis than meets the eye. Rumors have been out there that he's not the most coachable guy around. They're just rumors, but you have to start wondering, at this point.

Bummer, because he's immensely talented and a perfect fit for our offense. (Good hands, etc.)

We'll see what happens. I still think he'll wind up a productive player for us.

fontaine
10-15-2009, 03:51 AM
Hillis is a good player but the problem is that he's just another utility player. He's good at running the ball downhill but Buckhalter/Moreno are better.

He's good at catching passes out in the flat, but guys like Gaffney, Royal, Buckhalter are better.

The one thing HE SHOULD be better at than anyone else, being the lead blocker, he's not that good at. Combine that with the amount of mental mistakes he's made (fumble, being out of position) then it's pretty clear why he's not on the field.

cutthemdown
10-15-2009, 04:01 AM
What is up with all the Quote's?

They don't look right in this thread.

Rasta can't do anything right. That's ok though he's still going to get that use the FB Hillis to block DT thing to the club. He's so innovative.

What he's going to do is bench Orton just to see if Simms is better. 5-0 not good enough guys, we need to get 6 wins out of every 5 games. Cutler would actually be 6-0 right now. One extra win for being rad.

Broncoman13
10-15-2009, 05:26 AM
[QUOTE=broncosteven;2599178]I would really like to see Hillis catching some passes out of the backfield and punishing some tacklers. Maybe once Larsen heals up?[quote]
Maybe more like when Hillis stops ****ing up.


I doubt he's their favorite person at this point, after all he's screwed up nearly every opportunity they've given him to make plays.



He was in the game just before we used our first timeout. Of course, we used that timeout because he didn't know where to lineup.

The Hillis love on here baffles me. I love his skillset, but so far the guy obviously isn't getting it or is unwilling to get it. He's got to fit within the system to see playing time and the key to the system is "don't make mistakes and do your job", right now he can't.

Unwilling isn't Hillis... I would question how smart he is before I would question how motivated he is. I think the same issue was going on for Eddie Royal. Remember, they are playing those guys all over the place. McD likes Hillis' skillset and has moved him around a lot. I think that has caused Hillis most of his problems and why you see him making so many mistakes. I have a feeling he will breakout soon though.

Keep in mind that McD does everything he can to not have tendencies. I mean, when you have 6 players catch at least 4 passes how do you defend that? I always wondered if Shanny kept certain plays in his hip pocket for a special occasion. With McD I don't wonder, I know.

Broncoman13
10-15-2009, 05:32 AM
Again, there's clearly more going on with Hillis than meets the eye. Rumors have been out there that he's not the most coachable guy around. They're just rumors, but you have to start wondering, at this point.

Bummer, because he's immensely talented and a perfect fit for our offense. (Good hands, etc.)

We'll see what happens. I still think he'll wind up a productive player for us.

I have been around Hillis a bunch of times during camp/after camp. Interviews, listening to the guy talk, talking to him myself. I don't think it has anything to do with attitude or anything like that. I think he has a lot on his plate and he is having a little trouble digesting it all. I'm not saying the guy is dumb. I am saying he has a lot of learning to do. One of the plays we saw in camp over and over featured Hillis and then saw him split out in motion. He ran a series of different routes including simple go routes and the play was designed for him. I have no doubt that he will be featured in a game plan at some point this season.

dbfan21
10-15-2009, 07:46 AM
Sweet! This is terrific news. From everything I have read this week, the Chargers run defense is their weakness. Having Moreno, Buck, Hillis & Jordan ini the backfield should wear the Chargers down and control the ball, which will limit Rivers' opportunities.

Go Broncos!!

Mr.Meanie
10-15-2009, 08:48 AM
Look Simpleton......Moreno is getting plenty of reps not b/c he's necessarily better than Hillis, it has everything to do with getting selected in the 1st round and the amount of money he's getting paid.

Wow.........

Dagmar
10-15-2009, 09:24 AM
Come on man NO one had played flawlessly on the entire Team. Its just seems Hillis was given the shortest time to recover from errors/mistakes! And I'm not talking special teams per say we can all agree he's made his share of errors. But when it comes to the first team offense, Hillis hasn't been given very many reps to show what he can do.

Now if either Buckhalter or Moreno can't get it done consistently in the 3rd and short/inches situation as well as as the goal line situation; I think Hillis should be given an opportunity to see if he's the difference maker. But if Hillis remains in the dog house for screwing up on special teams and its used against him as to why he receives no opportunites with the first team offense,.....well I think that decision could cost us some games btwn the 6th and 16th games remaining on our schedule.

Rastaman thinking about Marshall/Hillis/Shanahan = http://i34.tinypic.com/5oxvdh.gif

Kaylore
10-15-2009, 09:31 AM
I gotta agree that at 5-0 with Hillis only marginally contributing to this point, and in a few instances directly responsible for many setbacks, I don't get the hand-wringing over having to use him either.

Rigs11
10-15-2009, 09:53 AM
Yess!Now the question is should i start him against that chargers D in fantasy this week?

Vegas_Bronco
10-15-2009, 09:58 AM
I just called Josh McD - he said to quit f'n around with his phone, he can't even tell what he's doing when I call that much, but that we are all wrong about Hillis.

Kaylore
10-15-2009, 09:59 AM
Buckhalter is the best back we have. I think Moreno in time could take that spot, but I get excited every time Buckhalter is on the field.

The Joker
10-15-2009, 10:14 AM
Buckhalter is the best back we have. I think Moreno in time could take that spot, but I get excited every time Buckhalter is on the field.

Having both of them healthy at the same time is imperative to our running game.

Both rely on their shiftiness to be successful, and by rotating them and splitting the load close to 50-50 you almost always have a fresh back out there.

Buck being able to go against San Diego would be massive for us. Running the ball a lot against the Chargers is in our best interests, and I don't think either of them is well suited to carrying the ball more than 20 times if we want them to be at their very best.

I also don't feel comfortable with Hillis or Jordan getting anything more than a few situational carries each.

Bronco Warrior
10-15-2009, 10:14 AM
Great to hear Bucky is better :D. That is a great 1,2 punch and we will need it to run down Merriman's throat!! Have you heard? Might be his last game as a Charger :woot:

Bob
10-15-2009, 12:31 PM
Hillis must get out of McD dog house, he can run the load as much as Buck and Jordan.

They bring different skills when both healthy and when Hillis gets his head in the game again. I just hope that they arnt having Buck coming back too soon -- as he is a speed guy dependent on being able to make sharp cuts...I would rather have him after he is fully healed...is he?

cmhargrove
10-15-2009, 01:03 PM
I have been around Hillis a bunch of times during camp/after camp. Interviews, listening to the guy talk, talking to him myself. I don't think it has anything to do with attitude or anything like that. I think he has a lot on his plate and he is having a little trouble digesting it all. I'm not saying the guy is dumb. I am saying he has a lot of learning to do. One of the plays we saw in camp over and over featured Hillis and then saw him split out in motion. He ran a series of different routes including simple go routes and the play was designed for him. I have no doubt that he will be featured in a game plan at some point this season.

I agree wholeheartedly with this.

McD seems to have a very different attack plan each game - Hillis just hasn't had "his game" yet. I think we'll see a big game from Hillis this year,, I just don't know when.

Anyone who seems to be forgetting what Hillis brings needs to rewatch the Jets game from last year - the dude was money. He'll be back in the mix.

Sodak
10-15-2009, 05:05 PM
What did Hillis do wrong to get in the doghouse?????

SonOfLe-loLang
10-15-2009, 05:15 PM
What did Hillis do wrong to get in the doghouse?????

Fumbling a kickoff
Dropping a 3rd down pass
False start on the goal line
Multiple ST penalties.

Did i get everything?

Dagmar
10-15-2009, 05:24 PM
Fumbling a kickoff
Dropping a 3rd down pass
False start on the goal line
Multiple ST penalties.

Did i get everything?

Having rastaman as his cheerleader is pretty unforgivable too...

DBroncos4life
10-15-2009, 05:46 PM
Having rastaman as his cheerleader is pretty unforgivable too...

I'd almost rather go a group trying to buy a NFL team with Rush then have Rastaman trying to argue points on why a player should be playing.

Sodak
10-15-2009, 10:32 PM
Fumbling a kickoff
Dropping a 3rd down pass
False start on the goal line
Multiple ST penalties.

Did i get everything?

zowie! I must have erased those plays from my memory. I buried them deep in my psyche... and I don't know why.

Sit him, he's cheap.

listopencil
10-15-2009, 10:54 PM
What did Hillis do wrong to get in the doghouse?????

****ed up badly on the field. When he carried the ball he misread his blocks, he fumbled, he false started and once didn't line up correctly- costing us a time out. When receiving out of the backfield he didn't run crisp routes. He didn't get out of his cut (usually one cut in his route, if any) fluidly and he didn't turn and locate the ball quickly. From what I could tell Orton was giving him a chance to catch the balls and Hillis just wasn't getting to the correct spot on the field.

By the way, when I say all of this, you should know that I have been a big Hillis supporter for a long time. I had "Just Start Hillis" as my avatar line since I took down "_enver _onkey _efense". The other guys outplayed him by a large margin. It's rough but Hillis just didn't look good. Buck and Moreno do. ****, even Jordan has looked half-assed decent at time.

Paladin
10-15-2009, 11:23 PM
Sophomore jinx........

If we lay off him for a while, he'll get right soon enough. Anyone here want to argue with Bobby Turner?.....

McDman
10-15-2009, 11:25 PM
As much as Hillis has been screwing up, it is apparent that Moreno is just not a good third and short back. He has consistently been pushed back in those situations.

We either need to pitch him the ball on a sweep or toss or put Hillis or Jordan in for those yards.

DBroncos4life
10-15-2009, 11:37 PM
As much as Hillis has been screwing up, it is apparent that Moreno is just not a good third and short back. He has consistently been pushed back in those situations.

We either need to pitch him the ball on a sweep or toss or put Hillis or Jordan in for those yards.

I always loved that toss play shanny had on third and one. Bell was perfect at it.

dextermilo
10-16-2009, 12:05 AM
As much as Hillis has been screwing up, it is apparent that Moreno is just not a good third and short back. He has consistently been pushed back in those situations.

We either need to pitch him the ball on a sweep or toss or put Hillis or Jordan in for those yards.

We also need people to block for him... we have just executed poorly on short yardage (mostly). People falling down never helps.

DBroncos4life
10-16-2009, 12:21 AM
We also need people to block for him... we have just executed poorly on short yardage (mostly). People falling down never helps.

Running away from the 400 pound dude in the middle is always a good thought but you have believe in your players and the ability to get the job done. Not every team in the NFL has a monster like that in the middle of the line thank god.

McDman
10-16-2009, 08:02 AM
I always loved that toss play shanny had on third and one. Bell was perfect at it.

I know! Moreno is fast enough to convert that every time. I don't know why we don't run fake fb hand off hb toss in that situation, it always works.

I know people are hating on Hillis, and deservedly so, but there is no doubt he is more likely to get that third and short than Moreno is. Moreno has had his opportunities at it and has failed almost every time.

~Crash~
10-16-2009, 08:04 AM
[QUOTE=broncosteven;2599178]I would really like to see Hillis catching some passes out of the backfield and punishing some tacklers. Maybe once Larsen heals up?[quote]
Maybe more like when Hillis stops ****ing up.


I doubt he's their favorite person at this point, after all he's screwed up nearly every opportunity they've given him to make plays.



He was in the game just before we used our first timeout. Of course, we used that timeout because he didn't know where to lineup.

The Hillis love on here baffles me. I love his skillset, but so far the guy obviously isn't getting it or is unwilling to get it. He's got to fit within the system to see playing time and the key to the system is "don't make mistakes and do your job", right now he can't.

so Moreno laying the football on the ground is not a mistake