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Rulon Velvet Jones
10-14-2009, 12:15 PM
Denver at San Diego
When: 8:30 PM ET
Watch: ESPN
More scouting reports: Week 6
Scouts Inc. Position Advantage

QB SD
RB DEN [lol Tomlinson]
WR SD (?) [Not buying it. Denver's depth and the way they use their WRs is far better. Must be lumping Gates into this.]
OL DEN
DL DEN
LB DEN
DB DEN
ST DEN (?) [I don't think they've given credit for the ST all season, why start now? Especially after the gaffes from last weekend)
Coach DEN

After breaking down film of both teams, Scouts Inc. offers 10 things to watch in this week's Broncos-Chargers matchup.

1. Will the Broncos' pass rush get to QB Philip Rivers? Denver knows that Rivers will throw the ball more than the Chargers will run it, especially on third down, and that makes this San Diego offense fairly predictable. That is good news for a Denver defense that is the best in the league at getting to the QB. San Diego is vulnerable on the edge versus speed rushers and they prefer not to use their backs in blitz pick-up. Rivers likes to air out the deep ball but he may not have enough time for a lot of seven-step drops -- and he is facing corners who can play single man-to-man coverages behind the pass rush and blitz.

2. Will Denver show San Diego the "Wildhorse" scheme? They were very successful with their version of the Wildcat against a Patriots defense that seemed confused and out of sync when they saw it early in the game in Week 5. RB Knowshon Moreno lines up to take the direct snap but Kyle Orton stays in the game and can motion back to the QB position and actually take the snap under center. That gives him time to study the defense and make adjustments, while also forcing that defense to stay in a lot of base schemes. Without dominating nose tackle Jamal Williams there could be good room to run inside for Moreno and you know that the Chargers will watch a lot of film this week to dissect the Wildhorse.

3. Denver must continue to play good red-zone defense: Denver is at the top of the league in red zone defense (only four TDs allowed in nine trips), while San Diego is near the bottom of the league in red zone offense (only six TDs in 17 trips). The Broncos are not equipped to get into a high-scoring game so they need to force the Chargers to kick field goals in the red zone instead of touchdowns. Denver has the corners to play tight man-to-man schemes when the field shrinks to take away the Chargers wide receivers and that will force Rivers to be creative in the plays called.

4. Protect Orton: He is not a mobile quarterback, but is playing behind a good offensive line that has given up eight sacks. They will be facing a San Diego defensive unit that has really underachieved with their pass rush, only recording six sacks. Orton is a serviceable guy and a good decision-maker and if he has time to read his progressions, he can make positive plays against a Chargers' defense that is not overly disciplined. If he has time for seven-step drops, he could go vertical to WR Brandon Marshall.

5. Will San Diego bring a lot of run blitzes? When the Chargers lost Williams, it opened up a lot of inside run lanes and in recent weeks defensive coordinator Ron Rivera has brought a lot more of those inside blitzes to fill the holes between the tackles to help a run defense that is in the bottom third of the league. The Chargers probably will bring that type of inside pressure to force Orton to throw more than he wants to if the run game struggles, or at least to flush him out of the pocket.

6. Run the football, Chargers: This has become a pass-heavy offense and the commitment to the run seems to be non-existent. They have run the ball only 80 times, averaging 2.7 yards per attempt. They have too many third-and-long situations and that puts pressure on Rivers to be in predictable passing situations. That is not good news when you are facing a good Denver pass rush that knows that you are going to throw the ball. Let running backs LaDainian Tomlinson and Darren Sproles split 30 carries.

7. San Diego must find Marshall -- especially in the red zone: He is a big physical receiver and a very difficult matchup near the goal line when most defenses play man-to-man. He can outjump most corners, push off to get separation and is also very good on underneath routes where he can turn and run after the catch. The Chargers' corners have good size and cover skills but they can be inconsistent and they are capable of biting on play fakes, which could be exploited with big vertical plays by Marshall if the run game is going well.

8. Can San Diego build an early lead? The Chargers are reeling right now with the underachiever tag and although state of mind is usually overrated in football, early success would be the best medicine for San Diego. They are facing a Denver offense that probably will not score a lot of points and it is not a play-from-behind group. An early lead will boost the players' confidence, it will get an apprehensive crowd into the game, and put Denver into an offensive scheme that it is not comfortable with.

9. Can San Diego establish a run game? Right now, the Chargers are last in the NFL in rushing and they have become a one-dimensional Rivers pass offense. Defenses can sit back and play pass and coverage schemes without a lot of fear regarding the run game and that means that Rivers does not get a lot of one-on-one perimeter matchups. Tomlinson does not look healthy or explosive and Sproles is more of a situational back. They must at least try to run the ball early to make the Broncos' defense play honest and and set up some play-action opportunities.

10. Matchup to watch: San Diego LOT Marcus McNeill versus Denver RDE Elvis Dumervil: The Broncos' coaches are doing an excellent job of putting Dumervil in a pass-rush mode on every snap he plays. He does not drop into coverage, he will come off the edge with speed and leverage and he is a tenacious finisher, which explains his eight sacks. He lacks height, has a low center of gravity and plays with underrated leverage. McNeill is a big mauler with a huge wingspan and is tough to get around. If he can engage Dumervil he can handle him without help, but Dumervil will rely on quickness and double moves and that is where McNeill could have a lot of trouble.


Prediction
Denver 17
San Diego 21

Rulon Velvet Jones
10-14-2009, 12:17 PM
On point #8 - "Denver...not a play from behind group".

Really? That's how they've won 3 of their 5 games.

TailgateNut
10-14-2009, 12:19 PM
What's the O/U on fans getting stabbed after the game?

Blart
10-14-2009, 12:20 PM
Both teams are play-from-behind groups from what I've seen.

tsiguy96
10-14-2009, 12:22 PM
scout.com really, really does not even watch the games or hell, even the storylines of the games. have they gotten anywhere close to correct yet, besides making predictable scores of 3-4 point difference max regardless of game?

TheDave
10-14-2009, 12:23 PM
Denver at San Diego
When: 8:30 PM ET
Watch: ESPN
More scouting reports: Week 6
Scouts Inc. Position Advantage

QB SD
RB DEN
WR SD
OL DEN
DL DEN
LB DEN
DB DEN
ST DEN (?)

......

Prediction
Denver 17
San Diego 21

So we are better in every category but QB & WR (which is debateable)... But they are going to win.


OK....

gunns
10-14-2009, 12:26 PM
WR SD ??? I don't care if they are lumping Gates in.

Coach Den Hilarious! You know you're bad when a rookie coach beats you out.

After all that they pick SD to win? Not that it couldn't happen but it's surprising after what they wrote.

Mountain Bronco
10-14-2009, 12:29 PM
On point #8 - "Denver...not a play from behind group".

Really? That's how they've won 3 of their 5 games.

No doubt we have been behind by 10 in the last two games and won. Now if we were down 17 that is a different story, but it is for every team.

gyldenlove
10-14-2009, 12:34 PM
What's the O/U on fans getting stabbed after the game?

41, same as the OU for the game I suspect.

Bronco Boy
10-14-2009, 12:40 PM
The whole idea of Scouts Inc.'s predictions is faulty in my opinion. If you are going to predict that every game will be decided by 1-4 points, what's the point of even predicting them? If all games were that close, the winner will mostly be determined by luck.

Los Broncos
10-14-2009, 12:45 PM
So we are better in every category but QB & WR (which is debateable)... But they are going to win.


OK....

Hilarious! Yeah really...

SonOfLe-loLang
10-14-2009, 12:52 PM
On point #8 - "Denver...not a play from behind group".

Really? That's how they've won 3 of their 5 games.

yeah, i dont really care what Scout Inc thinks, but if the NE game proved anything, its that our offense can play out of its comfort zone. Do you think McDaniels really wants to air it out 45 times a game?

TheDave
10-14-2009, 12:56 PM
yeah, i dont really care what Scout Inc thinks, but if the NE game proved anything, its that our offense can play out of its comfort zone. Do you think McDaniels really wants to air it out 45 times a game?

Actually... Yes I do.

He knows he can't, but if he could have his way he would go with an empty backfield spead every play.

At least that's what I think... and we all know how well that's worked lately. ;D

crush17
10-14-2009, 12:56 PM
Heh... they've picked the other team to win for the past 3 weeks.

It matters not.

Rabb
10-14-2009, 01:50 PM
That is good news for a Denver defense that is the best in the league at getting to the QB

Denver is at the top of the league in red zone defense (only four TDs allowed in nine trips)

That is not good news when you are facing a good Denver pass rush that knows that you are going to throw the ball.


Does anyone else pinch themselves when they read these things?

My God, after last year I never thought I would hear this.

Irish Stout
10-14-2009, 02:16 PM
Heh... they've picked the other team to win for the past 3 weeks.

It matters not.

Boom with the BDawk! It matters not what they expect, only what we do.

Rohirrim
10-14-2009, 02:17 PM
Does anyone else pinch themselves when they read these things?

My God, after last year I never thought I would hear this.

I've been waiting ten years for this.

Ambiguous
10-14-2009, 02:19 PM
So we are better in every category but QB & WR (which is debateable)... But they are going to win.


OK....

Rivers is going to run and throw the ball to himself for 6 TD's. We are doomed.

Ambiguous
10-14-2009, 02:22 PM
Does anyone else pinch themselves when they read these things?

My God, after last year I never thought I would hear this.

I know, it feels weird reading it. I love it.

broncocalijohn
10-14-2009, 02:24 PM
What's the O/U on fans getting stabbed after the game?

thanks a lot. I am going and I thought it was at Mile High West, not Oakland Memorial Coliseum. Sounds like Scout had a ton of good things to say about the Broncos, worried about a ton of things for the Chargers, showing that BRoncos match up well against the Chargers then having us lose 21 to 17 (most points given up by a Broncos team this year). I guess you got to play the game and it isnt always on paper. Of course, that is exactly what Scout, Inc. just did. I am liking my chances here and I havent had that feeling since Brees got knocked out about 4 years ago.

s0phr0syne
10-14-2009, 02:51 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/5156/breaking-the-broncos-and-chargers

Breaking down the Broncos and Chargers

October 14, 2009 10:00 AM

Posted by ESPN.com’s Bill Williamson

Thanks to a mailbag question from Adam Tyer of San Diego, I thought I’d breakdown the Broncos and Chargers as they head into a pivotal AFC West game Monday night in San Diego.

The Broncos are 5-0 and lead San Diego (2-2) by 2.5 games. This isn’t a must-win for the Chargers, who always seem to play well when they have to, but it is close. The Chargers have games against Kansas City and Oakland after facing the Broncos, so they can get well in a hurry.

But it won’t be easy. Denver's 5-0 start is not a fluke. The team is much improved. Tyer wanted to know what I thought of Denver and San Diego by position. So, I rated the teams based mostly on 2009 performance. Here's who I think has the advantage at each position.

Quarterback: San Diego

Why: Philip Rivers is one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Kyle Orton has been terrific, but Rivers is a franchise player.

Running backs: Denver

Why: The Chargers are ranked No. 32 in run offense. LaDainian Tomlinson is coming off an injury and has been unproductive. Denver running backs Correll Buckhalter and Knowshon Moreno have been very strong.

Wide receivers: Denver

Why: I love Vincent Jackson, but Denver is deeper at the position. Plus, Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal are really emerging.

Tight end: San Diego

Why: Antonio Gates is one of the best tight ends in the league. It’s that simple.

Offensive line: Denver

Why: The Broncos have an outstanding line, anchored by superstar left tackle Ryan Clady. The Chargers’ line misses injured center Nick Hardwick.

Defensive line: Denver

Why: I never thought I’d rank Denver’s defensive front over San Diego’s. But Denver’s no-name front three is setting the tone for a great defensive effort. San Diego is really missing tackle Jamal Williams, who is out for the year with a triceps injury.

Linebackers: Denver

Why: If I had to draft a unit, I’d likely take San Diego’s over Denver’s and this rating could change later in the year. But Denver’s defense has been so much better than San Diego’s in the first five games. Elvis Dumervil and D.J. Williams are both making Pro Bowl cases.

Secondary: Denver

Why: The Broncos’ defensive backs have been terrific. San Diego’s pass defense has suffered at times. It’s no contest at this point.

Special teams: San Diego

Why: The Broncos‘ special teams almost cost them the New England game. San Diego has several top notch players on this unit.

Coaching: Denver

Why: So far, the performance by head coach Josh McDaniels and defensive coordinator Mike Nolan have been the coaching story of the NFL.

BroncoFiend
10-14-2009, 02:59 PM
The whole idea of Scouts Inc.'s predictions is faulty in my opinion. If you are going to predict that every game will be decided by 1-4 points, what's the point of even predicting them? If all games were that close, the winner will mostly be determined by luck.

By that logic, the Pats game was won by luck and the Bengals game was not. ;)

DenverBrit
10-14-2009, 03:05 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/5156/breaking-the-broncos-and-chargers


Bill now is washing his burgers down with Kool-Aid!

LonghornBronco
10-14-2009, 03:15 PM
have we been favored in a single game!?!?

Bronco Boy
10-14-2009, 04:04 PM
By that logic, the Pats game was won by luck and the Bengals game was not. ;)

Well I did say mostly. One could make the case that we got lucky in both games.

crush17
10-14-2009, 04:06 PM
have we been favored in a single game!?!?

Yes. Cleveland and Oakland.

Merlin
10-14-2009, 04:12 PM
Both teams are play-from-behind groups from what I've seen.
Not in the same league. SD like Indy can be 21 pts down in the third, and still come back and bite you. Denver needs a whole game to score 21 pts, and could probably come back from 10 back on some team in the forth (especially the way the D get the ball back). However, SD's D is truly suspect, and I don't know how many pts SD can score on this D when SD is desperate. This D seems far superior to the Steelers D of late, so a big come back will not be as easy with Denver as it almost was with the Steelers.

snowspot66
10-14-2009, 06:16 PM
Not in the same league. SD like Indy can be 21 pts down in the third, and still come back and bite you. Denver needs a whole game to score 21 pts, and could probably come back from 10 back on some team in the forth (especially the way the D get the ball back). However, SD's D is truly suspect, and I don't know how many pts SD can score on this D when SD is desperate. This D seems far superior to the Steelers D of late, so a big come back will not be as easy with Denver as it almost was with the Steelers.

Actually we only need half a game to score 21.

We are just not getting it done points wise in the first quarter and early second quarter. If we start putting some points on the board then we should start seeing some nice numbers. As it is our offense hasn't put together a complete game yet even with the excellent game by Orton against the Pats.

HAT
10-14-2009, 06:22 PM
Yes. Cleveland and Oakland.

Oakland opened up as the fav though....the market corrected that with Denver becoming the fav by game time.

gyldenlove
10-14-2009, 06:33 PM
Not in the same league. SD like Indy can be 21 pts down in the third, and still come back and bite you. Denver needs a whole game to score 21 pts, and could probably come back from 10 back on some team in the forth (especially the way the D get the ball back). However, SD's D is truly suspect, and I don't know how many pts SD can score on this D when SD is desperate. This D seems far superior to the Steelers D of late, so a big come back will not be as easy with Denver as it almost was with the Steelers.

Not any more, if Rivers can score 21 points, I have no doubt about that, but the defense just can't shut down a decent team for a half. If you are down by 21, scoring 21 points is only half the equation, if the other team scores 21 as well you are no better off.

San Diego can come back against teams who get conservative, but if you keep executing on offense you can keep them in the sack.

cutthemdown
10-14-2009, 06:35 PM
Broncos are going to lay 30 points on the chargers.

DenverBrit
10-14-2009, 07:06 PM
If you were wondering where the Kool-Aid went.........

Monday night

Denver at San Diego: Better Halloween costume this year: Broncos old AFL uniforms or the ghost that's been Shawne Merriman?
I know Merriman's been battling injuries this year, but man, he's been invisible.
A few weeks back, I'd say there was no way Kyle Orton could lead the Broncos into San Diego and win a Monday night battle.
A lot's changed in a few weeks. Orton, this coach, and this defense — they're all for real.
Is there any room left on this bandwagon? Oh, there isn't? Fair enough.
Well, I'm taking them anyway. Give me the Broncos in what should be rookie Knowshon Moreno's national coming-out party.
The Pick: Broncos 31, Chargers 20

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10216314/Week-6-Cheat-Sheet:-NFL-picks-and-predictions

Chris
10-15-2009, 12:02 PM
They are facing a Denver offense that probably will not score a lot of points and it is not a play-from-behind group.

Have they watched the past two games?

epicSocialism4tw
10-15-2009, 01:36 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/5156/breaking-the-broncos-and-chargers

Williamson pretty much nailed it.

Thats how it stands right now without the "Scouts" Inc. inherent biases. I'm not sure how you say that San Diego's WR's are better than Marshall/Royal/Gaffney/Stokley...it just doesnt make any sense.

Rabb
10-15-2009, 01:55 PM
Williamson pretty much nailed it.

Thats how it stands right now without the "Scouts" Inc. inherent biases. I'm not sure how you say that San Diego's WR's are better than Marshall/Royal/Gaffney/Stokley...it just doesnt make any sense.

I honestly think some places rate the WR's based on the guy throwing to them which is stupid