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tsiguy96
10-14-2009, 03:39 AM
just heard this stat from mr. mackey, thats a nasty stat....

goldengopher1976
10-14-2009, 05:44 AM
incredible.

backup qb
10-14-2009, 06:50 AM
Wow! How many times over the last few years have we allowed 3rd down conversion after 3rd down conversion? Certainly a great change.

Rabb
10-14-2009, 06:54 AM
last year in close situations I was thinking, man please just milk the clock so they don't get the ball again

this year I am thinking, it's ok to give them the ball again...we got this

just think about how we did the Pats....we gave them not just a second life, but a THIRD life on the same drive and made them essentially punt every time

no way on this planet last year's defense does that....that defensive stand alone sold me, truly amazing

fontaine
10-14-2009, 06:59 AM
I agree. The last few games, I've had no problem with the offense punting the ball because it's just another opportunity to watch some real nasty, hard nosed defensive football.

I can't wait till guys like Alphonso Smith and Ayers really start to turn it on. Especially Ayers. If he translate his physical talent into production then it's going to be a whole lot of misery for opposing QBs.

That drive by the Pats that was extended twice on 4th downs because of crippled ST play was just amazing to watch. Each time I thought the defense would be winded and let down, but each time they just stepped up and got it done as if to say "We can do this all day long."

Phantom
10-14-2009, 06:59 AM
0 in the last 3 games!!

fido
10-14-2009, 07:09 AM
That is just an amazing stat. What a turnaround from last year.

barryr
10-14-2009, 07:40 AM
I remember so many times the last few years, on 3rd downs, Bronco DB's playing so far off of receivers, all it took was a simple down and out type of pattern to the sideline and easy 1st down or a short slant pattern and wondering how that is considered good defense?

baja
10-14-2009, 09:13 AM
I agree. The last few games, I've had no problem with the offense punting the ball because it's just another opportunity to watch some real nasty, hard nosed defensive football.

I can't wait till guys like Alphonso Smith and Ayers really start to turn it on. Especially Ayers. If he translate his physical talent into production then it's going to be a whole lot of misery for opposing QBs.

<b>That drive by the Pats that was extended twice on 4th downs because of crippled ST play was just amazing to watch. Each time I thought the defense would be winded and let down, but each time they just stepped up and got it done as if to say "We can do this all day long."

That was one of the gutsy accomplishments so far this season and hardly any of the sports channels are even mentioning it. Shows just how much they cater to the casual fans.

baja
10-14-2009, 09:16 AM
I remember so many times the last few years, on 3rd downs, Bronco DB's playing so far off of receivers, all it took was a simple down and out type of pattern to the sideline and easy 1st down or a short slant pattern and wondering how that is considered good defense?

Last 4 seasons that had been the case.

Old Dude
10-14-2009, 09:24 AM
According to an article in San Diego:

Denver held Oakland, Dallas and New England without a third-down conversion in the second half, becoming the first team in the NFL since the 1992 Cowboys to hold three consecutive opponents without a third-down conversion in the final two quarters.

TDmvp
10-14-2009, 10:15 AM
Yea just seen Clayton talking about this stat on espn.... was going to start a thread about it cause that is Fing UREAL ....

DenverBrit
10-14-2009, 10:22 AM
.....defense has allowed only two of 31 third-down conversions none in their past three games after halftime. :thumbsup:


http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_13555845

Tombstone RJ
10-14-2009, 10:33 AM
scary good defense

OBF1
10-14-2009, 10:35 AM
Mike Nolan is the man.

bronco militia
10-14-2009, 10:37 AM
Counting Matt Prater's overtime field goal to beat the New England Patriots last Sunday, the Broncos have demolished their five opponents by a combined 59-7 after halftime.

Houshyamama
10-14-2009, 11:30 AM
Counting Matt Prater's overtime field goal to beat the New England Patriots last Sunday, the Broncos have demolished their five opponents by a combined 59-7 after halftime.

That really is incredible.

Dedhed
10-14-2009, 12:41 PM
That really is incredible.

Particularly given that we were manhandled in the 2nd half of nearly every game last year. Even the games we won were fast starts followed by a steady decline as the other team adjusted and we just sat there and watched.

Jason in LA
10-14-2009, 12:58 PM
This defense is turning into something special. After the first few weeks the stats showed that the D was playing great, but that was just after a few weeks, so it was hard to say that the D was really special. But five games is a good chunk of the season, and they've shut down some good QBs. Brady, Palmer, and Romo (who is overrated, but he can light it up). It's starting to look like they can keep this up for the entire season. If they did that, this D would rank up there with the best ever over a single season.

TheReverend
10-14-2009, 01:12 PM
This is the first DC that can make effective half-time adjustments in Denver for even longer than I care remember...

Old Dude
10-14-2009, 01:16 PM
When was it that Joe Collier retired?

JJJ
10-14-2009, 01:20 PM
Impressive.

Rivers will put up more than 10 in the second half.

BroncoInSkinland
10-14-2009, 01:23 PM
Impressive.

Rivers will put up more than 10 in the second half.

You dont follow the mane too closely obviously. We all know Rivers will put up 10 each quarter. You were talking 10 TD's right? 280-3, you know Pareter is going to kick a last second field goal.

tsiguy96
10-14-2009, 01:34 PM
Impressive.

Rivers will put up more than 10 in the second half.

because tom brady, carson palmer, tony romo managed to put up....7 combined

im sure rivers will put up atleast 20

Meck77
10-14-2009, 01:46 PM
Great stat but I seem to recall two 4th down punting situations where we gave NE the ball back because of stupid penalties. If we tighten up special teams....LOOK OUT!

Dukes
10-14-2009, 01:47 PM
Impressive.

Rivers will put up more than 10 in the second half.

He'll put up more than 10 points easy. I mean, he's Phillip Rivers.

kamakazi_kal
10-14-2009, 01:48 PM
The half time adjustments have been nothing short of amazing.

Mediator12
10-14-2009, 01:49 PM
This is a very impressive stat and one of the better ones to prove how effective this defense has become. They have totally overhauled everything from the ground up on defense. Nothing is the same as last year schematically and that has produced a tremendous advantage to this point from a gameplanning perspective.

I will say this however, we have just reached the new scheme turning point of the season. That is when teams will pick up what you are doing differently and make their pregame adjustments to your scheme to stop taking away what you do so well. Remember how dominant DEN's offense played the first four games of last year, scoring 30+ points a game in the spread offense with Bates calling the plays?

Now, DEN will get a team coming off a bye with 2 weeks to break down how to attack them. IF they survive MON night playing at this high level, then you know 2 things:

1. This defense is not only for real, but it is schematically sound enough to not be overly susceptible to game film and gameplanning adjustments.

2. The new style of defense fits the players so much better, they can play through mismatches and still be successful.

Personally, I think we will see them come back to earth MON night. They have been very fortunate while playing at a much higher level.

However, SD rarely plays good teams at a high level for 60 minutes so while DEN might statistically come back to earth versus their offense, I seriously doubt they play well enough for long enough to win the game.

outdoor_miner
10-14-2009, 02:18 PM
Personally, I think we will see them come back to earth MON night. They have been very fortunate while playing at a much higher level.

So - how do you think they will be exposed? What are the big weaknesses? I'm interested in one of your breakdowns of how they have performed... You did one after Week 2 if I remember correctly. I know I would love to hear your thoughts after Week 5.

tsiguy96
10-14-2009, 02:19 PM
mediator, i would agree if we were running some sort of gimmick defense to win...but its not. its well prepared, good matchup, great intensity and tackling, and most of all smart defense thats winning for us. they WILL have a bad game at some point, no doubt, but the kind of defense we are playing is a type that is pretty sustainable to hold teams to less then 2 TDs per game. the offense is only getting better as weve seen, they NEED to stop starting slow however and put the defense in a position where they just have to sustain a lead, if you REALLY want to see how nasty this defense is youll see it when we are up 2 TDs.

Mediator12
10-14-2009, 02:38 PM
mediator, i would agree if we were running some sort of gimmick defense to win...but its not. its well prepared, good matchup, great intensity and tackling, and most of all smart defense thats winning for us. they WILL have a bad game at some point, no doubt, but the kind of defense we are playing is a type that is pretty sustainable to hold teams to less then 2 TDs per game. the offense is only getting better as weve seen, they NEED to stop starting slow however and put the defense in a position where they just have to sustain a lead, if you REALLY want to see how nasty this defense is youll see it when we are up 2 TDs.

Did you read the whole post?

Every defense has weaknesses and strengths. This defense has several things going for it right now. The personnel, scheme, chemistry, and rules were unknown because it was completely new. There was very little gamefilm to evaluate and make an effective gameplan for opposing teams.

That is another major advantage of the Patriots defensive schemes. They used to change every week to negate any gameplannning advantages an offense might try.

Now, teams have the gamefilm. What they can do against it is another matter entirely. It is one thing to KNOW what a team is doing, it is an entirely different thing to exploit it for your advantage. SD has had 2 weeks to do just that. That was the point of my post.

DEN has been superb in their execution versus other teams to this point, but they have left points on the field to other teams. NE left at least 11 points off the board by not executing a flaw in the playcalling. That is what I am saying.

DenverBrit
10-14-2009, 02:58 PM
Did you read the whole post?

Every defense has weaknesses and strengths. This defense has several things going for it right now. The personnel, scheme, chemistry, and rules were unknown because it was completely new. There was very little gamefilm to evaluate and make an effective gameplan for opposing teams.

That is another major advantage of the Patriots defensive schemes. They used to change every week to negate any gameplannning advantages an offense might try.

Now, teams have the gamefilm. What they can do against it is another matter entirely. It is one thing to KNOW what a team is doing, it is an entirely different thing to exploit it for your advantage. SD has had 2 weeks to do just that. That was the point of my post.

DEN has been superb in their execution versus other teams to this point, but they have left points on the field to other teams. NE left at least 11 points off the board by not executing a flaw in the playcalling. That is what I am saying.

I agree. Romo also missed his receivers.

Hopefully, Nolan can fix the problem......or maybe Rivers will continue last week's trend of being blinded by the uni's.

I'll take either. :thumbsup:

tsiguy96
10-15-2009, 07:30 AM
Counting Matt Prater's overtime field goal to beat the New England Patriots last Sunday, the Broncos have demolished their five opponents by a combined 59-7 after halftime.


i tweeted this stat to mark schlereth, and the original 2nd down stat to movethesticks...

http://www.fm1043thefan.com/channels/audioOnDemand/Story.aspx?ID=1151561

schlereth said it on thefan haha

fontaine
10-15-2009, 07:32 AM
This defense is turning into something special. After the first few weeks the stats showed that the D was playing great, but that was just after a few weeks, so it was hard to say that the D was really special. But five games is a good chunk of the season, and they've shut down some good QBs. Brady, Palmer, and Romo (who is overrated, but he can light it up). It's starting to look like they can keep this up for the entire season. If they did that, this D would rank up there with the best ever over a single season.

It's also been the type of offenses we've shut down.

Dallas and New England aren't just talented, they're multi dimensional teams that can execute offensively with the power passing game to TEs, or big plays to their WRs like Moss etc, run it down smashmouth or mix it up with screens and dink and dunk passes.

It's very rare for a defense to handle all those different types of offense because it asks for fundamentally sound defense across the board.

Kaylore
10-15-2009, 08:50 AM
Impressive.

Rivers will put up more than 10 in the second half.

And Jyles Tucker will get six sacks, right?

BroncoBuff
10-15-2009, 09:21 AM
Great stuff ... 3rd down conversion rate has always been my pet favorite stat.

fdf
10-15-2009, 10:08 AM
just heard this stat from mr. mackey, thats a nasty stat....

This can't be true. We must have given up that many on CIN's last drive of the fourth quarter alone--maybe they made their yards on first and second down?? I suppose the two "fourth" down conversions on blown punt defenses against NE don't count because they were on fourth down?

tsiguy96
10-15-2009, 11:03 AM
This can't be true. We must have given up that many on CIN's last drive of the fourth quarter alone--maybe they made their yards on first and second down?? I suppose the two "fourth" down conversions on blown punt defenses against NE don't count because they were on fourth down?

THIRD down conversions. conversions on 2nd and 4th dont count.

epicSocialism4tw
10-15-2009, 12:23 PM
So far, this defense has been the anti-Coyer defense. If you remember, Coyers defenses played well in the first half and then neglected to make adjustments. Other teams would adjust and take advantage of weaknesses.

This was also true for the season. The second half of seasons, Coyers defenses would collapse. The run defense would fall apart.

Hopefully, Nolans bunch will continue to grow together and get better as opposed to fallling apart after the season's midpoint.

epicSocialism4tw
10-15-2009, 12:28 PM
Did you read the whole post?

Every defense has weaknesses and strengths. This defense has several things going for it right now. The personnel, scheme, chemistry, and rules were unknown because it was completely new. There was very little gamefilm to evaluate and make an effective gameplan for opposing teams.

That is another major advantage of the Patriots defensive schemes. They used to change every week to negate any gameplannning advantages an offense might try.

Now, teams have the gamefilm. What they can do against it is another matter entirely. It is one thing to KNOW what a team is doing, it is an entirely different thing to exploit it for your advantage. SD has had 2 weeks to do just that. That was the point of my post.

DEN has been superb in their execution versus other teams to this point, but they have left points on the field to other teams. NE left at least 11 points off the board by not executing a flaw in the playcalling. That is what I am saying.

I saw that New England tried to isolate players underneath against Woodyard and against Goodman on intermediate and deep routes. They would also run screens at Goodmans side.

Goodman and Woodyard were exploited by Belicheat. However, the defense was in Brady's head. I'm not sure why...maybe he still has the jitters after surgery. Even though Brady usually had a little time to throw, he had the happy feet. He missed some opportunities just like Orton did.

Inkana7
10-15-2009, 12:40 PM
and jyles tucker will get six sacks, right?

jyles tucker is so good.