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tsiguy96
10-12-2009, 11:55 PM
:giggle::giggle::giggle::giggle:

some posters here STILL havent put foot in mouth yet. go broncos!

BroncoDoug
10-12-2009, 11:57 PM
meh, this act is getting kinda old, lets just enjoy some broncos football!

BMarsh615
10-13-2009, 12:00 AM
meh, this act is getting kinda old, lets just enjoy some broncos football!

Exactly.

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/27558/josh-mcdaniels-s.gif (http://www.gifsoup.com/view/27558/josh-mcdaniels.html)

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 12:00 AM
teh act that got old was all the crying and screaming this offseason without even waiting to see if the results would turn out favorably, which they have. for months on top of months we had to hear how bad the defense will be and how much orton sucks etc etc, and now that those people are 100% wrong, they are allowed to get a free pass for being idiots because their bronco fans too?

i accept they support teh team, maybe they should have in the offseason too instead of going into immediate hater doom and gloom mode.

BroncoDoug
10-13-2009, 12:03 AM
teh act that got old was all the crying and screaming this offseason without even waiting to see if the results would turn out favorably, which they have. for months on top of months we had to hear how bad the defense will be and how much orton sucks etc etc, and now that those people are 100% wrong, they are allowed to get a free pass for being idiots because their bronco fans too?

i accept they support teh team, maybe they should have in the offseason too instead of going into immediate hater doom and gloom mode.

they might be wrong now, but its not fun anymore rubbing other broncos fans face in it. but thats just my opinion, some people are just out to get other people

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 12:05 AM
then why would you ever put yourself in a situation to act like that all summer and offseason and talk as though you are 100% authority and the guys in charge do not know waht they are doing, just to find out you were 100% wrong?

and its not just people here, its the media too. some of them are coming out and saying they were totally wrong which is nice to hear.

BMarsh615
10-13-2009, 12:07 AM
teh act that got old was all the crying and screaming this offseason without even waiting to see if the results would turn out favorably, which they have. for months on top of months we had to hear how bad the defense will be and how much orton sucks etc etc, and now that those people are 100% wrong, they are allowed to get a free pass for being idiots because their bronco fans too?

i accept they support teh team, maybe they should have in the offseason too instead of going into immediate hater doom and gloom mode.

Who cares who was right or wrong. At the end of the day we are all Bronco fans and everyone is happy as hell to be where we are now. Everybody that posts here has been wrong multiple times.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 12:09 AM
true, but theres a difference between absolute ridiculous hating and just being wrong. people here deciding to turn into absolute ridiculous babies this offseason and now they are wrong, some like mock and socal wont even show back up to admit how wrong they were.

SureShot
10-13-2009, 12:11 AM
God you suck.

Popps
10-13-2009, 12:11 AM
Once again...

This wasn't about being right or wrong... predicting the right number of wins or being able to criticize the franchise and still be a fan. (Of course you can.)

The polarization of these issues around here rests solely on those who became full-time trolls and bashers of the franchise the first time things looked a little tough. So, those who remained faithful through the ordeal are likely to have a few things to say to those who weren't. (And probably still aren't.) No real surprises, there.

90% of the fans around here are, and have been unified through this whole thing. The bashers were just very active and relentless in their disdain for the franchise. Just as with Raiders/Chiefs/Chargers fans who bash us... it doesn't surprise me that these folks are taking a little crap now that we see a little evidence of success.

lex
10-13-2009, 12:13 AM
Once again...

This wasn't about being right or wrong... predicting the right number of wins or being able to criticize the franchise and still be a fan. (Of course you can.)

The polarization of these issues around here rests solely on those who became full-time trolls and bashers of the franchise the first time things looked a little tough. So, those who remained faithful through the ordeal are likely to have a few things to say to those who weren't. (And probably still aren't.) No real surprises, there.

90% of the fans around here are, and have been unified through this whole thing. The bashers were just very active and relentless in their disdain for the franchise. Just as with Raiders/Chiefs/Chargers fans who bash us... it doesn't surprise me that these folks are taking a little crap now that we see a little evidence of success.

LOL, this goes back to what I said earlier about you actually wanting the team to go 4-12 just so you can affirm your blind devotion.

24champ
10-13-2009, 12:13 AM
God you suck.

That about sums it up.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 12:14 AM
God you suck.

so have you admitted to being 100% wrong about absolutely everything you ever predicted this offseason? feel dumb yet, or just sorta hoping it all falls by the wayside and no one remembers?

UberBroncoMan
10-13-2009, 12:15 AM
Exactly.

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/27558/josh-mcdaniels-s.gif (http://www.gifsoup.com/view/27558/josh-mcdaniels.html)

Every damn time I see the beginning of that in the gif or in the video I think of the damn Nazi salute.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 12:17 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=81606

24champ looking like a total idiot in a single thread. but then again, they are armchair QBs and know absolutely everything that is good for this team, as opposed to mcdaniels.

Taco John
10-13-2009, 12:23 AM
I thought winning would cure everything. I should have realized that some people would choose to be douches even still.

SureShot
10-13-2009, 12:23 AM
so have you admitted to being 100% wrong about absolutely everything you ever predicted this offseason? feel dumb yet, or just sorta hoping it all falls by the wayside and no one remembers?

you think I give a **** what anyone thinks here? I couldn't be happier in the way this season started. Why do you expect people to apologise to your dumbass? You had as much doubt , particulary in the qb position as anyone here. Now quit your ****ing bitching moaning hop in the Talon rip some doughnuts and just enjoy the season without worrying about what anyone says here.

lex
10-13-2009, 12:25 AM
I thought winning would cure everything. I should have realized that some people would choose to be douches even still.

Im just wondering why it took tsiguy this long. He probably just got out of jail. This was probably the first thing on his "To Do When I Get Out Of Jail" list.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 12:26 AM
having doubt was one thing, i think everyone here did. i did not, however, troll the forum making sure everyone knows how bad mcdaniels sucks, how bad this defense will be and how we are gonna win 3 games max. pure trolling was rampant here just a few months ago, the people who wanted to wait and see what happend were bashed and now the team is playing great, you guys just go ho hum about being stupid all offseason

BroncoDoug
10-13-2009, 12:29 AM
having doubt was one thing, i think everyone here did. i did not, however, troll the forum making sure everyone knows how bad mcdaniels sucks, how bad this defense will be and how we are gonna win 3 games max. pure trolling was rampant here just a few months ago, the people who wanted to wait and see what happend were bashed and now the team is playing great, you guys just go ho hum about being stupid all offseason

mmk, and....?

Taco John
10-13-2009, 12:29 AM
having doubt was one thing, i think everyone here did. i did not, however, troll the forum...


What do you think you're doing now?

SureShot
10-13-2009, 12:29 AM
having doubt was one thing, i think everyone here did. i did not, however, troll the forum making sure everyone knows how bad mcdaniels sucks, how bad this defense will be and how we are gonna win 3 games max. pure trolling was rampant here just a few months ago, the people who wanted to wait and see what happend were bashed and now the team is playing great, you guys just go ho hum about being stupid all offseason

Sorry bud you got the wrong guy. I didn't troll the board he'll I joined in 2006 and still haven't hit 5000 posts. Ididnt continually rip the team either...just you.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 12:31 AM
What do you think you're doing now?

youre right. next offseason, ill post a bunch of dumb unfounded hater bull**** that i have no reason to post other than making my own crybaby self feel better, then when the season starts, all is forgiven.

lex
10-13-2009, 12:32 AM
youre right. next offseason, ill post a bunch of dumb unfounded hater bull**** that i have no reason to post other than making my own crybaby self feel better, then when the season starts, all is forgiven.


Did you and Rev ever resolve that big blow up about your girlfriend?

SureShot
10-13-2009, 12:34 AM
Did you and Rev ever resolve that big blow up about your girlfriend?

That's where he has been. Freeing Willy.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 12:34 AM
Did you and Rev ever resolve that big blow up about your girlfriend?

just curious, how is that relevant to this?

to be sure, im happy the broncos are winning and that people are jumping on board again, im questioning why people would ever jump OFF without seeing how the results actually turned out or giving the new coach a chance.

Popps
10-13-2009, 12:36 AM
just curious, how is that relevant to this?
.

Lexie has to go after people's families and significant others when she's been flogged in actual subject-matter, which has happened around here for months.
She's been banned several times for it.


That's how it's relevant.

lex
10-13-2009, 12:41 AM
just curious, how is that relevant to this?

to be sure, im happy the broncos are winning and that people are jumping on board again, im questioning why people would ever jump OFF without seeing how the results actually turned out or giving the new coach a chance.

Its relevant because it ties into who you are.

Taco John
10-13-2009, 12:47 AM
youre right. next offseason, ill post a bunch of dumb unfounded hater bull**** that i have no reason to post other than making my own crybaby self feel better, then when the season starts, all is forgiven.

"I'm so angry that people caused bad feelings during the most perilous and uncertain offseason in Broncos history that I'm going to start as many threads to cause bad feelings during one of the most happiest starts we've ever had."

Go for it. For better or worse, The Orange Mane has the reputation (both good and bad) it has because we let people express themselves in good times and bad without too much squelching of the content. So have at it. Just make sure you put your big boy pants on and can take the heat when people come after you with the same energy you're going after them with.

24champ
10-13-2009, 12:47 AM
24champ looking like a total idiot in a single thread.

Only one that looks like idiot, is yourself...but what else is new.

Popps
10-13-2009, 01:19 AM
"I'm so angry that people caused bad feelings during the most perilous and uncertain offseason in Broncos history that I'm going to start as many threads to cause bad feelings during one of the most happiest starts we've ever had."

Go for it. For better or worse, The Orange Mane has the reputation (both good and bad) it has because we let people express themselves in good times and bad without too much squelching of the content. So have at it. Just make sure you put your big boy pants on and can take the heat when people come after you with the same energy you're going after them with.

Hey, he's just giving it back to the trolls. What's the problem?

Big boy pants?

Is that what you call trashing the best owner in sports because you were too uninformed to realize that it was time for a coaching change?

Were you wearing your "big boy pants" for your Gutless Thread?


Interesting speech, bro. Once again, maybe talking down to people isn't really the best angle for you. We've all seen how swimmingly it's worked out for you so far.

Hilarious!

Natedog24
10-13-2009, 01:23 AM
The I'm a better bronco fan than you gloat fest around here is getting old pretty fast IMO, this thread was pretty unnecessary...

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 01:30 AM
The I'm a better bronco fan than you gloat fest around here is getting old pretty fast IMO, this thread was pretty unnecessary...

never said i was a better bronco fan, just the people who spent all offseason telling everyone how bad this team will be because mcdip**** is running it should atleast fess up. or just not put themselves in the position to be so wrong on something they really dont have enough info about to make an educated decision.

BroncoDoug
10-13-2009, 01:39 AM
never said i was a better bronco fan, just the people who spent all offseason telling everyone how bad this team will be because mcdip**** is running it should atleast fess up. or just not put themselves in the position to be so wrong on something they really dont have enough info about to make an educated decision.

and if they do, then what?

BMarsh615
10-13-2009, 01:57 AM
tsiguy and popps are the two people trolling the most in this thread.

Drek
10-13-2009, 04:00 AM
Tsiguy, you're being immature idiot. What are you, 10? The people who hated on this team all off-season know who they are, show a little class and just enjoy the Broncos winning games that count.

BroncoInSkinland
10-13-2009, 04:20 AM
they are allowed to get a free pass for being idiots because their bronco fans too?

Why not, you seem to get a free pass for being an idiot on a regular basis.

tsiguy, Taco John, Lex, and popps are the people trolling the most on this board.

Fixed it for ya.

But hey TSI, I was wrong about a few things, I got no problem admitting it. You keep those orange colored glasses on and make sure to stick it to all the Bears fans around here that followed the Broncos every move all off season. Just because they still root for the Broncos doesn't mean they are "true" fans. Everyone who wasn't 100% behind the FO was a risk to this organization, thank god we have fan police like you to keep these dangerous miscreants in check.

As for Lex, YOU WERE WRONG. STFU and stop trying to spin it positively you moron. Eat a little crow, sit back and enjoy the season like any rational person. Or keep crying like a little girl and miss one of the best runs in recent Broncos history. Doesn't matter to me, but if you can't get behind the team when they are 5-0, I do start to wonder if you are really a Broncos fan or just here to be a little bitch.

Edit addition to TJ: Yes it is your board, yes you have admitted you were wrong, yes you were one of the most vocal in opposing the changes to the FO, yes this all means you will take a lot of the flak, yes this means you even have to take said flak without taking shots at the village idiots like TSI even when he is being a collossal douche or it makes you look like a douchey dictator, yes we ALL realize what a douche he is, even the majority of those on his side of the argument.

Broncos_OTM
10-13-2009, 04:47 AM
LOL, this goes back to what I said earlier about you actually wanting the team to go 4-12 just so you can affirm your blind devotion.How is spags doing lex. You are the one i remember most crying about mcdaniels. for weeks and weeks.

watermock
10-13-2009, 04:56 AM
Obviously Nolan was the right hire.

And McD has had alot to do with the resurgence as well, the adjustments at the half have been particuliarly impressive.

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 05:05 AM
you think I give a **** what anyone thinks here? I couldn't be happier in the way this season started. Why do you expect people to apologise to your dumbass? You had as much doubt , particulary in the qb position as anyone here. Now quit your ****ing b****ing moaning hop in the Talon rip some doughnuts and just enjoy the season without worrying about what anyone says here.

This... Some people are just too stupid to understand that it is okay and even common to critique your team. There are a ton of people eating crow regarding the Broncos. You can be sure though that the fans that are eating crow are doing it with a smile. It's the "analysts" out there that are choking it down.

Tsi, quit ****ing up our board, you run off the better posters with your constant cry baby bullshiat. TJ is too nice to tell you himself, but 5 weeks into the season and you still can't let it go. You act like you've been right all along or something. And b/c of you there are a lot of good posters that stay away. Maybe you don't realize it but you are in the same category as that Broncofan7 dude. As Mock would say, buy a vowel.

long beach bronco
10-13-2009, 05:53 AM
The bottom line is, when the broncos do well, we all cheer and feel good inside. What happened this past offseason blindsided everybody, no one saw it coming. We were all on an emotional rollercoaster because this team is part of our lives. Some of us took it ok, and some of us did not, which caused so much hating and infighting between the bronco family, it was a really emotional time for everybody here. In the end though, we are all broncomaniacs and reaping the same rewards now that the team is doing great. It all turned out fine.

baja
10-13-2009, 06:12 AM
having doubt was one thing, i think everyone here did. i did not, however, troll the forum making sure everyone knows how bad mcdaniels sucks, how bad this defense will be and how we are gonna win 3 games max. pure trolling was rampant here just a few months ago, the people who wanted to wait and see what happend were bashed and now the team is playing great, you guys just go ho hum about being stupid all offseason

The only part that bothered me was being called out and labeled a dumb ass homer because I liked the off season moves with the exception of the way we got Quinn and Davis.

But being 5 and 0 eases the pain greatly. ;D

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-13-2009, 06:23 AM
Once again...

This wasn't about being right or wrong... predicting the right number of wins or being able to criticize the franchise and still be a fan. (Of course you can.)

The polarization of these issues around here rests solely on those who became full-time trolls and bashers of the franchise the first time things looked a little tough. So, those who remained faithful through the ordeal are likely to have a few things to say to those who weren't. (And probably still aren't.) No real surprises, there.

90% of the fans around here are, and have been unified through this whole thing. The bashers were just very active and relentless in their disdain for the franchise. Just as with Raiders/Chiefs/Chargers fans who bash us... it doesn't surprise me that these folks are taking a little crap now that we see a little evidence of success.

I get that, and I was one of the people standing next to you against the full time trolls and BS that was going on.

But it's time to move on.

I'm tired of new threads with the nahnahnah nonsense.

I thought we were here to talk about football.

barryr
10-13-2009, 06:24 AM
So if the Broncos weren't 0-5, the same posters who complained all summer how bad the team would be and McDaniels should be fired before coaching even one game, plus anyone who thought otherwise was just a McDaniels blind backer wouldn't be rubbing it in other's faces? Sure.

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 06:24 AM
I get that, and I was one of the people standing next to you against the full time trolls and BS that was going on.

But it's time to move on.

I'm tired of new threads with the nahnahnah nonsense.

I thought we were here to talk about football.

:bravo:

Someone that gets it...

baja
10-13-2009, 06:25 AM
Obviously Nolan was the right hire.

And McD has had alot to do with the resurgence as well, the adjustments at the half have been particuliarly impressive.

I should start a poll as to when you are going to become a full fledged Mcdaniels supporter as I know you will. I will say after the Ravens game (Nov 1)

TonyR
10-13-2009, 06:30 AM
Tsi, quit ****ing up our board, you run off the better posters with your constant cry baby bullshiat.

I don't know, Oskie, I think this is a little harsh. tsi took a lot of abuse for his optimistic outlook and I think he has a right to feel vindicated and call some people out. I agree that in a perfect world we let all this stuff go and all get along and root for the Broncos, but it's not a perfect world and some people are still upset with the people who trashed this team for the past few months. The haters deserve some abuse.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-13-2009, 06:34 AM
I don't know, Oskie, I think this is a little harsh. tsi took a lot of abuse for his optimistic outlook and I think he has a right to feel vindicated and call some people out. I agree that in a perfect world we let all this stuff go and all get along and root for the Broncos, but it's not a perfect world and some people are still upset with the people who trashed this team for the past few months. The haters deserve some abuse.

SOME abuse. Agreed. They've received SOME abuse. But if he's going to do this every time we win... I mean, I can't handle eleven more weeks PLUS playoffs of this baloney.

TonyR
10-13-2009, 06:35 AM
So if the Broncos weren't 0-5, the same posters who complained all summer how bad the team would be and McDaniels should be fired before coaching even one game, plus anyone who thought otherwise was just a McDaniels blind backer wouldn't be rubbing it in other's faces? Sure.

Yep, if we were doing poorly the haters would be burning this place down. It's just a bit hypocritical to be getting on tsi's case.

BMarsh615
10-13-2009, 06:41 AM
So if the Broncos weren't 0-5, the same posters who complained all summer how bad the team would be and McDaniels should be fired before coaching even one game, plus anyone who thought otherwise was just a McDaniels blind backer wouldn't be rubbing it in other's faces? Sure.

Of course they would have. That still doesn't make these "I was right and you were wrong" threads any less annoying.

TailgateNut
10-13-2009, 06:44 AM
So if the Broncos weren't 0-5, the same posters who complained all summer how bad the team would be and McDaniels should be fired before coaching even one game, plus anyone who thought otherwise was just a McDaniels blind backer wouldn't be rubbing it in other's faces? Sure.


....Erasing all doubt....

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 06:45 AM
funny that mcoskie feels the need that a positive poster is the one ruining this board (especially in a thread containing both 24champ and lex), clearly he missed most of this offseason when it was doom and gloomers (mopey mafia i gues) who couldnt let a single conversation occur without bringing up how much well miss cutler. but now were 5-0 and all is well....you should recheck why people left this forum in the first place: its not for peole being too positive.

like i said, im sure you guys are glad you are wrong, just dont understand why you would spend all offseason talking about how bad well be and the world is over without even letting the team see the field. i was wrong about stuff too, but you cant spend all offseason saying this is a 3 win team etc etc and now that were 5-0 not expect to hear anything from the people you bitched at all summer.

baja
10-13-2009, 06:47 AM
SOME abuse. Agreed. They've received SOME abuse. But if he's going to do this every time we win... I mean, I can't handle eleven more weeks PLUS playoffs of this baloney.

Eleven more wins and playoffs..... I can.

baja
10-13-2009, 06:51 AM
funny that mcoskie feels the need that a positive poster is the one ruining this board (especially in a thread containing both 24champ and lex), clearly he missed most of this offseason when it was doom and gloomers (mopey mafia i gues) who couldnt let a single conversation occur without bringing up how much well miss cutler. but now were 5-0 and all is well....you should recheck why people left this forum in the first place: its not for peole being too positive.

like i said, im sure you guys are glad you are wrong, just dont understand why you would spend all offseason talking about how bad well be and the world is over without even letting the team see the field. i was wrong about stuff too, but you cant spend all offseason saying this is a 3 win team etc etc and now that were 5-0 not expect to hear anything from the people you b****ed at all summer.

Your memory is accurate and your anger is justified but starting new threads to call out the ones you are angry with will continue to back fire. You will be able to get your digs in for a long time to come just pick your spots and be good natured about it. ;D

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 06:58 AM
no worries, im not doing this after every win, prolly not again at all. just want people to realize that actinglike complete fools in the offseason and trying to trash our hopes of a good season with all their reasons why the team will suck was ridiculous, which we tried to tell people to just wait to see them on the field first, give the team and coach a chance before the craziness continues. to have to be proven wrong, that youre prediction for the team you like is 3-13, top 5 pick, team will be awful, and to compare the state of this team to the raiders etc is silly with no real proof that the team was blowing up (besides the cutler issue, which is still questionable if that even affected the teams mentality at the time at all)

TheDave
10-13-2009, 07:03 AM
The title to this thread is the funny part to me...

The defense is #1 in the league... Significantly better than last years 30th ranking.

The Offense is 19th in the league in scoring (remember, scoring is the only stat that counts)... which is behind last years 16th ranking.

So yes the facts tell us "all we had to do was fix the defense"

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MplsBronco
10-13-2009, 07:05 AM
I thought winning would cure everything. I should have realized that some people would choose to be douches even still.

I guess it's okay when you act like one.

barryr
10-13-2009, 07:13 AM
Shanahan had a lot of time to fix the defense. Again, he's not the Bronco coach because he wouldn't let Slowik go who will never be a DC again unless Shanahan hires him again. Mike Nolan would not be the Bronco DC with Shanahan as the head coach.

ohiobronco2
10-13-2009, 07:32 AM
This thread. It's so fresh.

Drek
10-13-2009, 07:40 AM
I don't know, Oskie, I think this is a little harsh. tsi took a lot of abuse for his optimistic outlook and I think he has a right to feel vindicated and call some people out. I agree that in a perfect world we let all this stuff go and all get along and root for the Broncos, but it's not a perfect world and some people are still upset with the people who trashed this team for the past few months. The haters deserve some abuse.

He took a lot of abuse because he was typically blindly optimistic without much in the way of an argument to back it up, yet he felt the need to call out other people's fan status time and time again.

Doesn't matter that he chose the right side of the debate, he was still acting like a jackass then. He's still acting like a jackass now. Not much has changed.

Also, no one deserves any level of abuse on this board. Just enjoy talking football. Let bygones be bygones, the people who where fiercely opposed to all our off-season moves know who they are, they know what they posted, no need to dig up old threads and rub it in their faces just to play the "I told you so" game. its a bitch move, plain and simple.

baja
10-13-2009, 07:44 AM
He took a lot of abuse because he was typically blindly optimistic without much in the way of an argument to back it up, yet he felt the need to call out other people's fan status time and time again.

Doesn't matter that he chose the right side of the debate, he was still acting like a jackass then. He's still acting like a jackass now. Not much has changed.

Also, no one deserves any level of abuse on this board. Just enjoy talking football. Let bygones be bygones, the people who where fiercely opposed to all our off-season moves know who they are, they know what they posted, no need to dig up old threads and rub it in their faces just to play the "I told you so" game. its a b**** move, plain and simple.

It doesn't have to be about "I told you so" .

Some of the old posts are down right funny now and as long as the ribbing is good natured I don't see anything wrong with it, in fact on internet boards it is expected.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 07:55 AM
He took a lot of abuse because he was typically blindly optimistic without much in the way of an argument to back it up, yet he felt the need to call out other people's fan status time and time again.

Doesn't matter that he chose the right side of the debate, he was still acting like a jackass then. He's still acting like a jackass now. Not much has changed.

Also, no one deserves any level of abuse on this board. Just enjoy talking football. Let bygones be bygones, the people who where fiercely opposed to all our off-season moves know who they are, they know what they posted, no need to dig up old threads and rub it in their faces just to play the "I told you so" game. its a b**** move, plain and simple.

no,i wasnt blindly optimistic, go read my posts. i was waiting to see if the team did good on the field, and didnt feel the need to bash them relentlessly because they didnt do what i thought they should do. i liked some moves and didnt like others, but im gonna wait to see if they work before crying, which many of them are minus the smith trade, JMFW is playing lights out right now.

ill never NOT be optimistic about this team if i dont have reason to be, they did a LOT of great things this year that got overshadowed by a QB getting traded for a guy who really is not bad and 2 first round picks, one of which is yet to be decided.

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 07:57 AM
funny that mcoskie feels the need that a positive poster is the one ruining this board (especially in a thread containing both 24champ and lex), clearly he missed most of this offseason when it was doom and gloomers (mopey mafia i gues) who couldnt let a single conversation occur without bringing up how much well miss cutler. but now were 5-0 and all is well....you should recheck why people left this forum in the first place: its not for peole being too positive.

like i said, im sure you guys are glad you are wrong, just dont understand why you would spend all offseason talking about how bad well be and the world is over without even letting the team see the field. i was wrong about stuff too, but you cant spend all offseason saying this is a 3 win team etc etc and now that were 5-0 not expect to hear anything from the people you b****ed at all summer.

I've got about 8 messages stating that people left due to you... I'll post the most recent.

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 08:00 AM
funny that mcoskie feels the need that a positive poster is the one ruining this board (especially in a thread containing both 24champ and lex), clearly he missed most of this offseason when it was doom and gloomers (mopey mafia i gues) who couldnt let a single conversation occur without bringing up how much well miss cutler. but now were 5-0 and all is well....you should recheck why people left this forum in the first place: its not for peole being too positive.

like i said, im sure you guys are glad you are wrong, just dont understand why you would spend all offseason talking about how bad well be and the world is over without even letting the team see the field. i was wrong about stuff too, but you cant spend all offseason saying this is a 3 win team etc etc and now that were 5-0 not expect to hear anything from the people you b****ed at all summer.


Not sure how I am wrong??? I'm the one that was pretty damn positive through camp and started the thread "The best of McDaniels...". I just think your childish act is old. It's ruining the board and people are growing quite tired of it. You're a broken record.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 08:03 AM
yes, im sure 8 people left because of me, ya know as opposed to putting me on ignore. im assuming they hated mcdaniels for trading cutler too? being positive must be awful for those people. i didnt call you out for hating on teh team all year, but i think its funny you continually tell me people left this forum because of me, yet you think posters like lex actually contribute on a daily basis. any other issues with being positive and not letting people here try to destroy the offseason discussion with their what-was-usual cutler BS and how mcdaniels sucks so bad for not fixing the D?

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 08:04 AM
Here are the recent ones regarding you and a few other choice posters...

~Tsigay69 is a Cock. He doesn't know what he is talking about and is on record for admitting that he doesn't watch the games yet he posts like he knows everything.

~And that is why I have left this **** hole.

~I am about done with this place because of BF7. I am disappointed this kind of crap is supported here.

~I wish there was a filter to remove Cutlers name, he is dead to me.

These are all in response to my responses to you.

Spider
10-13-2009, 08:04 AM
they might be wrong now, but its not fun anymore rubbing other broncos fans face in it. but thats just my opinion, some people are just out to get other people

agreed .........

Spider
10-13-2009, 08:06 AM
The title to this thread is the funny part to me...

The defense is #1 in the league... Significantly better than last years 30th ranking.

The Offense is 19th in the league in scoring (remember, scoring is the only stat that counts)... which is behind last years 16th ranking.

So yes the facts tell us "all we had to do was fix the defense"

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if it was that easy , shanny would have done it ............ The difference this year is McD , the players believe in him , they will walk through hell and and half of texas for him ........... The players give McD 60 minutes week in week out .........

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 08:07 AM
yes, im sure 8 people left because of me, ya know as opposed to putting me on ignore. im assuming they hated mcdaniels for trading cutler too? being positive must be awful for those people. i didnt call you out for hating on teh team all year, but i think its funny you continually tell me people left this forum because of me, yet you think posters like lex actually contribute on a daily basis. any other issues with being positive and not letting people here try to destroy the offseason discussion with their what-was-usual cutler BS and how mcdaniels sucks so bad for not fixing the D?


You're not positive. What don't you get about that? You are a pathetic troll. Just got a voice mail, "Don't bother with tsi he's an idiot that has no business commenting on the Broncos. His idea of watching football is to look at the Box Scores and pretend he knows what's going on."

Keep thinking you're not a problem. Every week your drive off more and more posters. You're kind of the biggest problem around here... moreso than any of the other trolls.

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 08:08 AM
I thought the offense was 22nd in scoring? No matter, all that matters to me is wins and I think we're still working out the kinks on offense anyhow.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 08:09 AM
im sure it is. you clearly dont read my posts then, if thats how you feel about my football knowledge, cuz thats a joke. if people who are actually positive about this team (and yes, youre a ****ing retard if you think im not optimistic about this team or havent been all offseason) managed to stick through it when bull**** trolls called us koolaid drinkers or whatever, im sure your pussy friends can manage a little positive talk on this forum, especially after they spent all offseason being 100% wrong. must be hard on their ego.

TheDave
10-13-2009, 08:14 AM
if it was that easy , shanny would have done it ............ The difference this year is McD , the players believe in him , they will walk through hell and and half of texas for him ........... The players give McD 60 minutes week in week out .........

I'm not questioning how it got done, and trust me I give full credit to McKidd, Nolan and the move to the 3-4... but the fact is "All we needed to do was fix the defense"

Something tsiboy missed when creating his latest "Gotch thread"

BroncoInferno
10-13-2009, 08:14 AM
I thought winning would cure everything. I should have realized that some people would choose to be douches even still.

Oh, please, Taco. Save it. I am sure if we were 0-5 the douchebags who trashed every move this offseason would not be rubbing everyone's face in it. Please.

It was one thing to critique the team, but the folks who became doomsday prophets over the whole thing and declared all who disagreed blind homers deserve to be called out.

TheDave
10-13-2009, 08:17 AM
I thought the offense was 22nd in scoring? No matter, all that matters to me is wins and I think we're still working out the kinks on offense anyhow.

Actually were 21st... forgot to look it up afte the Monday night games.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 08:17 AM
I'm not questioning how it got done, and trust me I give full credit to McKidd, Nolan and the move to the 3-4... but the fact is "All we needed to do was fix the defense"

Something tsiboy missed when creating his latest "Gotch thread"

you dont understand what im saying, people said this all offseason without giving mcdaniels the benefit of the doubt that just maybe he DID fix the defense. which we know now he did.

try getting flamed ALL offseason for being a homer koolaid drinker, and now that we were right in waiting to see if the team improved, we are idiots for pointing out how blatantly wrong some people here were, and they wont even admit it.

BroncoInferno
10-13-2009, 08:17 AM
I'm not questioning how it got done, and trust me I give full credit to McKidd, Nolan and the move to the 3-4... but the fact is "All we needed to do was fix the defense"

Something tsiboy missed when creating his latest "Gotch thread"

Not true, Dave. The offense turned the ball over WAY too much last year. That does not help the defense to constantly have a short field to work with. We also weren't consistent with the running game. Blame the injuries if you want, but it was an issue with the offense that needed to be fixed. In any case, there were plenty of problems on this team outside the defense.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 08:18 AM
Oh, please, Taco. Save it. I am sure if we were 0-5 the douchebags who trashed every move this offseason would not be rubbing everyone's face in it. Please.

It was one thing to critique the team, but the folks who became doomsday prophets over the whole thing and declared all who disagreed blind homers deserve to be called out.

exactly. :thumbsup:

baja
10-13-2009, 08:19 AM
You're not positive. What don't you get about that? You are a pathetic troll. Just got a voice mail, "Don't bother with tsi he's an idiot that has no business commenting on the Broncos. His idea of watching football is to look at the Box Scores and pretend he knows what's going on."

<b>Keep thinking you're not a problem. Every week your drive off more and more posters. You're kind of the biggest problem around here... moreso than any of the other trolls.

I am sure that is not true, no one poster has that much influence.

You're doing the same thing you are accusing him of right now.

TheDave
10-13-2009, 08:21 AM
Not true, Dave. The offense turned the ball over WAY too much last year. That does not help the defense to constantly have a short field to work with. We also weren't consistent with the running game. Blame the injuries if you want, but it was an issue with the offense that needed to be fixed. In any case, there were plenty of problems on this team outside the defense.

I'm not sure what happened to you boss... simple logic used to be your thing.

The defense went from 30th to 1st

The offense has regressed from 16th to 21st

spin it however you want, but the fact remains fixing the defense is what has put us in this position.

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 08:23 AM
im sure it is. you clearly dont read my posts then, if thats how you feel about my football knowledge, cuz thats a joke. if people who are actually positive about this team (and yes, youre a ****ing retard if you think im not optimistic about this team or havent been all offseason) managed to stick through it when bull**** trolls called us koolaid drinkers or whatever, im sure your p***Y friends can manage a little positive talk on this forum, especially after they spent all offseason being 100% wrong. must be hard on their ego.

Your talk isn't positive. What don't you get here? Your talk is like a 10 year old child saying I told you so. Are you really this ignorant?

bpc
10-13-2009, 08:23 AM
:giggle::giggle::giggle::giggle:

some posters here STILL havent put foot in mouth yet. go broncos!

You're an idiot attention whore. You don't have anything worth talking about so you post this **** to get people abuzz about one of your threads.

Grow up already.

(NEXT WEEK, YOU'LL POST THE SAME WEAK $HIT.)

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 08:23 AM
I'm not sure what happened to you boss... simple logic used to be your thing.

The defense went from 30th to 1st

The offense has regressed from 16th to 21st

spin it however you want, but the fact remains fixing the defense is what has put us in this position.

"this" position is 5-0. its also what mcdaniels and nolan did not get credit for all offseason, and the reason we are playing so damn well as a team now is the offense is designed to help the defense and methodically move the ball. offense should get as much credit as the defense for playing complimentary football.

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 08:27 AM
you dont understand what im saying, people said this all offseason without giving mcdaniels the benefit of the doubt that just maybe he DID fix the defense. which we know now he did.

try getting flamed ALL offseason for being a homer koolaid drinker, and now that we were right in waiting to see if the team improved, we are idiots for pointing out how blatantly wrong some people here were, and they wont even admit it.


Do you know how many people questioned us about our camp reports b/c they were positive and said good things about players such as Kyle Orton, Alphonso Smith, Kenny McKinley and Jabar Gaffney? Everytime we posted something good we were hammered. Do you see any of the camp reporters going back and posting, "I told you Kyle Orton would be good in this system"?

You try to make it sound like you were wronged and you need to feel vindicated or something... get over yourself you pathetic nancy!

Crushaholic
10-13-2009, 08:29 AM
This should be a time when ALL Broncos fans enjoy life with their favorite team. However, some division in the fanbase continues. It's sad...

TheDave
10-13-2009, 08:30 AM
"this" position is 5-0. its also what mcdaniels and nolan did not get credit for all offseason, and the reason we are playing so damn well as a team now is the offense is designed to help the defense and methodically move the ball. offense should get as much credit as the defense for playing complimentary football.


What you are trying to say is the offense is more conservative... and you're right.

McDaniels has done a very good job of working field position and trying to keep our defens eout of bad situations.

But your a complete idiot if you think the offense deserves as much credit as the defense. It's no where close right now. The D has carried the day, and the offense is going to need to improve to keep up the current pace.

Give credit where credit is due and think a little more before before creating your next gotcha thread.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 08:30 AM
then im surprised you let these people have such a pass that spent all offseason trying to ruin and discredit everything you did at camp. i dont feel wronged at all, regardless of their actions i will enjoy the games as much as ever especially since i got to go to the pats game and meet a few guys from the board. people do need to realize however that unfounded ridiculous doom and gloom comments are absolutely pointless on a fan board, especially when they hadnt seen anything to really justify what they were saying.

CEH
10-13-2009, 08:31 AM
you dont understand what im saying, people said this all offseason without giving mcdaniels the benefit of the doubt that just maybe he DID fix the defense. which we know now he did.

try getting flamed ALL offseason for being a homer koolaid drinker, and now that we were right in waiting to see if the team improved, we are idiots for pointing out how blatantly wrong some people here were, and they wont even admit it.

Maybe you should follow McD lead and show some humility instead of starting threads about how right you were. If anyone has a right to gloat right now it's our coach and I haven't heard one "I told you so" out of him.

You act like this little piece of the world and I mean little as in 99 % of Bronco Nation doesn't even know what OM is. There are alot of national media types like Stink , Cowheard, NFLN eating crow right now. It's not just here

bpc
10-13-2009, 08:32 AM
The thing I'm most surprised with is how QB friendly this offense is, how efficient Orton has been, and how excellent we've been on 3rd down. We've always been in the right position to make plays.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for McDaniels on that front. He's got some special traits as a coach, that much is for sure.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 08:33 AM
What you are trying to say is the offense is more conservative... and you're right.

McDaniels has done a very good job of working field position and trying to keep our defens eout of bad situations.

But your a complete idiot if you think the offense deserves as much credit as the defense. It's no where close right now. The D has carried the day, and the offense is going to need to improve to keep up the current pace.

Give credit where credit is due and think a little more before before creating your next gotcha thread.

i am giving the offense credit for not putting hte defense in awful situations for most of the year, not so much for their point scoring, which hasnt been great but is clearly getting better, especially as each individual game wears on, they start putting up points. its not that they are conservative at all, they are just playing smart, near mistake free football. they are putting up a lot of yards too but the 3rd and shorts are killing us.

the defense is clearly playing lights out, i think ive pointed that out for awhile, way beyond even the biggest mcd's supporters expectations. i give you credit for atleast coming out and saying you were totally wrong about your posts this offseason...

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 08:34 AM
I'm not sure what happened to you boss... simple logic used to be your thing.

The defense went from 30th to 1st

The offense has regressed from 16th to 21st

spin it however you want, but the fact remains fixing the defense is what has put us in this position.


Not turning the ball over as much though... helps the D out a lot. I still contend that the offense isn't quite as bad as that 21st number would indicate, just as the defense isn't as good as the #1 rating indicates.

When it's all said and done, I'm guessing we'll be right around #12 in scoring and #8 in total defense. The homer in me says #5 in defense is possible, as Rock Chalk pointed out yesterday when we were talking... we still have the Chefs twice, the Faid again, and the Redskins. But, we also have the Chargers twice, the Eagles, Giants, Colts, Ravens, and Steelers... all of which are potential 20+ point teams against any defense in the league.

So yeah, I'll go with:

Offense #12
Defense #8

Scoring ranks when it's all said and done.

BroncoInferno
10-13-2009, 08:35 AM
I'm not sure what happened to you boss... simple logic used to be your thing.

The defense went from 30th to 1st

The offense has regressed from 16th to 21st

spin it however you want, but the fact remains fixing the defense is what has put us in this position.

You don't think minimizing turnovers has been a big factor as well? It's pretty common knowledge that winning the turnover battle results in a win more times than not. Also, the regression of the offense is arguable. After the first three games last season, we were 24th in scoring over the final 13 games (i.e. the bulk of the season). I am all for logic but some issues have multiple factors to take into account if one is interested in true logic, and this is one. I would take this years offense over last seasons all day long. Especially since they seem to be getting better as they all get more comfortable in the new offense.

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 08:39 AM
then im surprised you let these people have such a pass that spent all offseason trying to ruin and discredit everything you did at camp. i dont feel wronged at all, regardless of their actions i will enjoy the games as much as ever especially since i got to go to the pats game and meet a few guys from the board. people do need to realize however that unfounded ridiculous doom and gloom comments are absolutely pointless on a fan board, especially when they hadnt seen anything to really justify what they were saying.

Not about "I told you so". If it were I would expect to see people like Apa and Montrose on here telling everyone how wrong they were for doubting Kyle Orton. Remember the whole Kyle Orton is Tom Brady thing with Montrose? Wonder why he doesn't have a gotcha thread? Maybe b/c his gratitude is in the fact that the Broncos are doing well and he doesn't need to have someone say, "You were right"???

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 08:41 AM
Not about "I told you so". If it were I would expect to see people like Apa and Montrose on here telling everyone how wrong they were for doubting Kyle Orton. Remember the whole Kyle Orton is Tom Brady thing with Montrose? Wonder why he doesn't have a gotcha thread? Maybe b/c his gratitude is in the fact that the Broncos are doing well and he doesn't need to have someone say, "You were right"???

he got a LOT, LOT of flak for that, and to be honest orton outplayed brady very handily yesterday.

TheDave
10-13-2009, 08:44 AM
i am giving the offense credit for not putting hte defense in awful situations for most of the year, not so much for their point scoring, which hasnt been great but is clearly getting better, especially as each individual game wears on, they start putting up points. its not that they are conservative at all, they are just playing smart, near mistake free football. they are putting up a lot of yards too but the 3rd and shorts are killing us.

the defense is clearly playing lights out, i think ive pointed that out for awhile, way beyond even the biggest mcd's supporters expectations. i give you credit for atleast coming out and saying you were totally wrong about your posts this offseason...

Like when Moreno fumbled?

Like when Hillis Fumbled on the opening kick off?

Like when the special teams gave the pats back the ball twice in one drive?


The defense has been put in bad situations several times this year... and have stopped teams cold. That's the difference between this year and last.

and as for my "Totally wrong posts"... give me a ****ing break.

The funny part is I took the most abuse in this place when I was defending Orton against goofs like you that wanted to start "Brandy". Funny how that thread hasn't been bump'd.

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 08:45 AM
You don't think minimizing turnovers has been a big factor as well? It's pretty common knowledge that winning the turnover battle results in a win more times than not. Also, the regression of the offense is arguable. After the first three games last season, we were 24th in scoring over the final 13 games (i.e. the bulk of the season). I am all for logic but some issues have multiple factors to take into account if one is interested in true logic, and this is one. I would take this years offense over last seasons all day long. Especially since they seem to be getting better as they all get more comfortable in the new offense.

Not sure I would take this year's offensive corps over last year's... With McD as coach and last year's personnel I think we would have been very explosive. Taking nothing away from Kyle Orton b/c he's been great... But he doesn't have the talent of Jay Cutler and Cutler is showing in Chicago that he can in fact cut down on his mistakes and still make plenty of plays. But I digress, that fact is we're 5-0 and the offense isn't making too many mistakes (fumbles) and putting the defense in tough positions. The other thing is that the offense has done pretty well at sustaining drives and keeping the defense fresh. Very few 3 and outs for this offense.

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 08:47 AM
he got a LOT, LOT of flak for that, and to be honest orton outplayed brady very handily yesterday.

Exactly... and the difference between you and Montrose is he doesn't have to come on a message board screaming at everyone to give him respect for Kyle Orton out performing 99% of our expectations! That is the point!

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 08:49 AM
Like when Moreno fumbled?

Like when Hillis Fumbled on the opening kick off?

Like when the special teams gave the pats back the ball twice in one drive?


The defense has been put in bad situations several times this year... and have stopped teams cold. That's the difference between this year and last.

and as for my "Totally wrong posts"... give me a ****ing break.

The funny part is I took the most abuse in this place when I was defending Orton against goofs like you that wanted to start "Brandy". Funny how that thread hasn't been bump'd.

i totally recanted my brandy thread too. orton is clearly a better option and is played probably the best game of his career this week.

but that is why i said FOR THE MOST PART. the special teams is not the offense and needs some work everywhere except kickoffs and coverage units. the offense is not turning the ball over nearly as much as they used to, and is probably among the lowest in the league for total turnovers. when they do turn the ball over the defense is bailing them out.

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 08:49 AM
Like when Moreno fumbled?

Like when Hillis Fumbled on the opening kick off?

Like when the special teams gave the pats back the ball twice in one drive?


The defense has been put in bad situations several times this year... and have stopped teams cold. That's the difference between this year and last.

and as for my "Totally wrong posts"... give me a ****ing break.

The funny part is I took the most abuse in this place when I was defending Orton against goofs like you that wanted to start "Brandy". Funny how that thread hasn't been bump'd.

Probably b/c there are only a few people that play that stupid little game and a few more that support it. Sadly my old CCME buddy supports this stupidity.

TheDave
10-13-2009, 08:59 AM
You don't think minimizing turnovers has been a big factor as well? It's pretty common knowledge that winning the turnover battle results in a win more times than not. Also, the regression of the offense is arguable. After the first three games last season, we were 24th in scoring over the final 13 games (i.e. the bulk of the season). I am all for logic but some issues have multiple factors to take into account if one is interested in true logic, and this is one. I would take this years offense over last seasons all day long. Especially since they seem to be getting better as they all get more comfortable in the new offense.

By this point last year our offense had 8 TO's... 4 against KC which was our only loss.

This year we have 5...

Last year our defense was dead last through 5 games this year we are #1

So... no I do not think our 3 less TO's is the reason our defense went from last to 1st.

Additionally last years O had scored 149pts in 5 games. This year we are at 99.

So like I said we have regressed on O and jumped ahead light years on D and that why we are 1 game better than this point last year.

baja
10-13-2009, 09:01 AM
Not turning the ball over as much though... helps the D out a lot. I still contend that the offense isn't quite as bad as that 21st number would indicate, just as the defense isn't as good as the #1 rating indicates.

When it's all said and done, I'm guessing we'll be right around #12 in scoring and #8 in total defense. The homer in me says #5 in defense is possible, as Rock Chalk pointed out yesterday when we were talking... we still have the Chefs twice, the Faid again, and the Redskins. But, we also have the Chargers twice, the Eagles, Giants, Colts, Ravens, and Steelers... all of which are potential 20+ point teams against any defense in the league.

So yeah, I'll go with:

Offense #12
Defense #8

Scoring ranks when it's all said and done.

I think the O will end up top 10 and it will be due to the development of Orton. Just as the D is carrying the O through the first 4 games (against NE we were a very balanced team) it will be the O that carries the D on occasion moving forward through season depending on whose injured.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 09:03 AM
By this point last year our offense had 8 TO's... 4 against KC which was our only loss.

This year we have 5...

Last year our defense was dead last through 5 games this year we are #1

So... no I do not think our 3 less TO's is the reason our defense went from last to 1st.

Additionally last years O had scored 149pts in 5 games. This year we are at 99.

So like I said we have regressed on O and jumped ahead light years on D and that why we are 1 game better than this point last year.


this isnt about just the first 5 games, its about the whole season. post the stats for the last 5 games we played and its a nightmare. the defense is better on every single level, but is getting help from the offense by not being put in a ton of bad situations all the time. the team scored 149 in first 5 games, and 220 in the final 11 games = overrated offense. they got shut down after the first few weeks and starting losing pretty bad. i remember the stat their average win was by like 3 points and average loss by double digits? dont remember exactly, but you get the idea. this team is far better on defense and offense is being more efficient, doing what it needs to win games and moving the clock.

Flex Gunmetal
10-13-2009, 09:05 AM
tsiguy96: Master engineer of self-ownage and failure.

TheDave
10-13-2009, 09:05 AM
this isnt about just the first 5 games, its about the whole season. post the stats for the last 5 games we played and its a nightmare. the defense is better on every single level, but is getting help from the offense by not being put in a ton of bad situations all the time. the team scored 149 in first 5 games, and 220 in the final 11 games = overrated offense. they got shut down after the first few weeks and starting losing pretty bad. i remember the stat their average win was by like 3 points and average loss by double digits? dont remember exactly, but you get the idea. this team is far better on defense and offense is being more efficient, doing what it needs to win games and moving the clock.

No it's about 5 games... remember that's all we have seen.

So I made a direct comparison of the 1st 5 last season to this season.

If you want to cherry pick 5 random games from last year have at it.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 09:08 AM
what im saying is the first 5 games of last year clearly were not representative of the team as a whole. it was the offense scoring a ton of points and the defense allowing like 1 point less per game. the offense turned really bad, the defense stayed bad as the season progressed.

TheDave
10-13-2009, 09:11 AM
what im saying is the first 5 games of last year clearly were not representative of the team as a whole. it was the offense scoring a ton of points and the defense allowing like 1 point less per game. the offense turned really bad, the defense stayed bad as the season progressed.

Just like the 1st 5 games this year may not be representative of the team as a whole.

but right now that's all we got.

baja
10-13-2009, 09:17 AM
Probably b/c there are only a few people that play that stupid little game and a few more that support it. Sadly my old CCME buddy supports this stupidity.

Is that me???

No I don't. I support friendly jabs and reminders while we collectively enjoy this what appears to be great season.

It's my contention that it is impossible for one poster to run off people that other wise enjoy being here.

Peoples Champ
10-13-2009, 09:29 AM
sounds easy

Old Dude
10-13-2009, 09:34 AM
Anyone else see that stunt by Dre Bly this weekend? I thought it was a mistake to let him go. Now, I think it was the right move.

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Irish Stout
10-13-2009, 09:36 AM
Exactly... and the difference between you and Montrose is he doesn't have to come on a message board screaming at everyone to give him respect for Kyle Orton out performing 99% of our expectations! That is the point!

Actually I think Montrose partially left because of the overt hostility that was on this board. This is why he isn't back to rub peoples faces in it. And if he did come back and try, then people would jump down his throat as well - just look at the bumped Montrose camp report thread where the few negative nancys still show up.

It wasn't just people pining over Cutler, but people out and out being hostile to anyone who saw any hope in what the Broncos were doing. Its fine for people to have opinions and to voice them, but so many posters here were calling each other idiots and worse because of the situation. If we had all been in a bar together there would've been a big fight and it would have been instigated by the haters. However, I have continually chastised tsiguy for the positions he takes. I have always wanted us Homers to take the high road and not buy into the hate. TSI's one problem on this board is that he likes to (and has continued to) point out and bitch about the whiners and complainers, which in turn partially makes him a whiner in his own right.

Truthfully at this point, I think he is more justified than he was at the beginning of the season for creating this thread. He appears to be right, others appear to be wrong, and he took a lot of crap. I still think these threads do nothing to further valuable football conversations, and I still hate to see them, because all they do is to bait people into pointing fingers and calling others names.


I still don't understand when Homer became an insulting term.

Kaylore
10-13-2009, 09:38 AM
Just like the 1st 5 games this year may not be representative of the team as a whole.

but right now that's all we got.

You're being purposely obtuse, and probably because you're tired of hearing you were wrong from people like TsiGuy after owning up to it weeks ago.

However I'll play along. This offense is trending up in each game and our offense was trending down at this point last year.(before "all the backs were hurt!!!11!!!1!!!ZOMG!!!!")

BroncoInSkinland
10-13-2009, 09:43 AM
you dont understand what im saying, people said this all offseason without giving mcdaniels the benefit of the doubt that just maybe he DID fix the defense. which we know now he did.

try getting flamed ALL offseason for being a homer koolaid drinker, and now that we were right in waiting to see if the team improved, we are idiots for pointing out how blatantly wrong some people here were, and they wont even admit it.

No, you don't understand what everyone else is saying. People said this all offseason because it appeared to them that he didn't fix the defense. With the lack of quality personel brought in for the front 7 it was a valid concern shared by many here, and pundits across the country. Until he started winning games, McDaniels had done absolutely nothing to DESERVE the benefit of the doubt.

Try getting shouted down and told you are a bad fan, that after 36 years (or more) of loyal following the Broncos every move that you should now go root for the Bears because you had concerns about your team. Many of the people who had concerns ARE admitting they are wrong, with many even going out of their way to shout it to the mountain tops, and going into very deep specifics about how they were wrong, and how much they like the new improved Broncos.

But what you really don't get is that you aren't being flamed for being a homer (Broncos fans are not ripping you for being a Broncos fan), or even for being a koolaid drinker (there are some who are annoyed by what they percieve as Blind faith from you because of comments such as "give him the benefit of the doubt" when they saw direct negative impacts that they thought were happening to the team).

What you are being flamed for is your antagonistic, better fan than you, non-stop nagging method of trying to get your painfully simple point across. You are a broken back street boys CD playing at top volume that has no off-switch or power cord. You aren't an idiot for pointing out that people here were wrong in thier assesment of the team, you are a douchebag for the way you go about doing it.

You aren't alone, you are in good company with Rastaman, Broncofan7, Lex, and other such valued posters. Further the continuous stream of liquid sh*t that pours forth from your, and other posters mouths, has turned off some of the old, long term, true contributors to the board. This all combines to make you about as welcome as anal chafing. I will make you a deal though, I honestly don't mind anything you have to say about the many wrong takes I have had in the off season. I swear I will read every redundant, ego inflating, venom filled word you type to me if you will only do it in a PM. Please leave the board free of your unproductive rants so that we can try to get back to discussing the issues surrounding the Broncos football team. Thanks in advance for being less of a waste of everyones time.

GreatBronco16
10-13-2009, 09:43 AM
what im saying is the first 5 games of last year clearly were not representative of the team as a whole.

But the first 5 games of this year represent the team as a whole for this entire season?

Dude, I hated all the bashing too, but come on, you are making a fool of yourself.

BroncoInSkinland
10-13-2009, 09:44 AM
Anyone else see that stunt by Dre Bly this weekend? I thought it was a mistake to let him go. Now, I think it was the right move.

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Agreed, I was a Bly fan, and thought he got a bad rap while he was here, thank god he is gone though. ;)

TheDave
10-13-2009, 09:45 AM
You're being purposely obtuse, and probably because you're tired of hearing you were wrong from people like TsiGuy after owning up to it weeks ago.

However I'll play along. This offense is trending up in each game and our offense was trending down at this point last year.(before "all the backs were hurt!!!11!!!1!!!ZOMG!!!!")

I'm going with what we have so far... Like I told tsi if you want to cherry pick a handful of games to compare, then have at it.

The entire point of my posts was that our defense is the reason for our turn around. We have the #1 D and the #21 O... Logic like that use to be simple around here. Now everything has to do with what ones opinion was 3 months ago.

...and trust me, TSI's opinion changes too much for me to take anything personally.

ohiobronco2
10-13-2009, 09:45 AM
No, you don't understand what everyone else is saying. People said this all offseason because it appeared to them that he didn't fix the defense. With the lack of quality personel brought in for the front 7 it was a valid concern shared by many here, and pundits across the country. Until he started winning games, McDaniels had done absolutely nothing to DESERVE the benefit of the doubt.

Try getting shouted down and told you are a bad fan, that after 36 years (or more) of loyal following the Broncos every move that you should now go root for the Bears because you had concerns about your team. Many of the people who had concerns ARE admitting they are wrong, with many even going out of their way to shout it to the mountain tops, and going into very deep specifics about how they were wrong, and how much they like the new improved Broncos.

But what you really don't get is that you aren't being flamed for being a homer (Broncos fans are not ripping you for being a Broncos fan), or even for being a koolaid drinker (there are some who are annoyed by what they percieve as Blind faith from you because of comments such as "give him the benefit of the doubt" when they saw direct negative impacts that they thought were happening to the team).

What you are being flamed for is your antagonistic, better fan than you, non-stop nagging method of trying to get your painfully simple point across. You are a broken back street boys CD playing at top volume that has no off-switch or power cord. You aren't an idiot for pointing out that people here were wrong in thier assesment of the team, you are a douchebag for the way you go about doing it.

You aren't alone, you are in good company with Rastaman, Broncofan7, Lex, and other such valued posters. Further the continuous stream of liquid sh*t that pours forth from your, and other posters mouths, has turned off some of the old, long term, true contributors to the board. This all combines to make you about as welcome as anal chafing. I will make you a deal though, I honestly don't mind anything you have to say about the many wrong takes I have had in the off season. I swear I will read every redundant, ego inflating, venom filled word you type to me if you will only do it in a PM. Please leave the board free of your unproductive rants so that we can try to get back to discussing the issues surrounding the Broncos football team. Thanks in advance for being less of a waste of everyones time.

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy A great, great post.

baja
10-13-2009, 09:48 AM
You're being purposely obtuse, and probably because you're tired of hearing you were wrong from people like TsiGuy after owning up to it weeks ago.

<b>However I'll play along. This offense is trending up in each game and our offense was trending down at this point last year.(before "all the backs were hurt!!!11!!!1!!!ZOMG!!!!")

Here you see your classic end the discussion here point being made.

baja
10-13-2009, 09:54 AM
No, you don't understand what everyone else is saying. People said this all offseason because it appeared to them that he didn't fix the defense. With the lack of quality personel brought in for the front 7 it was a valid concern shared by many here, and pundits across the country. Until he started winning games, McDaniels had done absolutely nothing to DESERVE the benefit of the doubt.

Try getting shouted down and told you are a bad fan, that after 36 years (or more) of loyal following the Broncos every move that you should now go root for the Bears because you had concerns about your team. Many of the people who had concerns ARE admitting they are wrong, with many even going out of their way to shout it to the mountain tops, and going into very deep specifics about how they were wrong, and how much they like the new improved Broncos.

But what you really don't get is that you aren't being flamed for being a homer (Broncos fans are not ripping you for being a Broncos fan), or even for being a koolaid drinker (there are some who are annoyed by what they percieve as Blind faith from you because of comments such as "give him the benefit of the doubt" when they saw direct negative impacts that they thought were happening to the team).

What you are being flamed for is your antagonistic, better fan than you, non-stop nagging method of trying to get your painfully simple point across. You are a broken back street boys CD playing at top volume that has no off-switch or power cord. You aren't an idiot for pointing out that people here were wrong in thier assesment of the team, you are a douchebag for the way you go about doing it.

You aren't alone, you are in good company with Rastaman, Broncofan7, Lex, and other such valued posters. Further the continuous stream of liquid sh*t that pours forth from your, and other posters mouths, has turned off some of the old, long term, true contributors to the board. This all combines to make you about as welcome as anal chafing. I will make you a deal though, I honestly don't mind anything you have to say about the many wrong takes I have had in the off season. I swear I will read every redundant, ego inflating, venom filled word you type to me if you will only do it in a PM. Please leave the board free of your unproductive rants so that we can try to get back to discussing the issues surrounding the Broncos football team. Thanks in advance for being less of a waste of everyones time.

Ouch anal chaffing I hate that when that happens.

BTW love this line;

Thank you in advance for being less of a waste of everyones time.


Mind if I use it some time.

Cito Pelon
10-13-2009, 10:03 AM
This... Some people are just too stupid to understand that it is okay and even common to critique your team. There are a ton of people eating crow regarding the Broncos. You can be sure though that the fans that are eating crow are doing it with a smile. It's the "analysts" out there that are choking it down.

Tsi, quit ****ing up our board, you run off the better posters with your constant cry baby bullshiat. TJ is too nice to tell you himself, but 5 weeks into the season and you still can't let it go. You act like you've been right all along or something. And b/c of you there are a lot of good posters that stay away. Maybe you don't realize it but you are in the same category as that Broncofan7 dude. As Mock would say, buy a vowel.

I disagree.

tsiguy took tons of crap in the offseason, and I firmly believe some regulars were trying to run him off the board through relentless ridicule. tsiguy kept the same message and discussed football.

If he wants to rub some noses in the dirt, that's fine with me. Some people earned a good kick in the teeth. Repetitive kicks in the teeth for their constant sneering at all things Bronco.

OBF1
10-13-2009, 10:05 AM
they might be wrong now, but its not fun anymore rubbing other broncos fans face in it. but thats just my opinion, some people are just out to get other people

Saids they guy with the MC still in his title

OBF1
10-13-2009, 10:11 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=81606

24champ looking like a total idiot in a single thread. but then again, they are armchair QBs and know absolutely everything that is good for this team, as opposed to mcdaniels.

WOW..... what a list of doubters and trolls of Coach McDaniels and the Denver Broncos organization. A shameful list of internet bobbleheads at the least. Great bump :thumbsup:

DBroncos4life
10-13-2009, 10:20 AM
That's where he has been. Freeing Willy.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=83918
;D

CEH
10-13-2009, 10:21 AM
I'm going with what we have so far... Like I told tsi if you want to cherry pick a handful of games to compare, then have at it.

The entire point of my posts was that our defense is the reason for our turn around. We have the #1 D and the #21 O... Logic like that use to be simple around here. Now everything has to do with what ones opinion was 3 months ago.

...and trust me, TSI's opinion changes too much for me to take anything personally.

The TSI dude is using flawed logic.

Have him post the last 5 games of the '09 season for us so we can compare apple to apples. Fact is DC and OC look at only the last 4 games of their opponents to gather trends so we are just starting to see how teams will attack our team. As far as the '09 offense not putting the team in bad situations looks like they have put our team in peril with everyone of our 5 TOs expect the Haill Mary

Hillis fumble KO, Buck fumble 20 yard line, Moreno 2 fumbles inside our 40. Thats 4 of our 5 TO this year in scoring postion and the D held them to 6 points prompltly getting the ball back for us in the OAK and Dall games. Something our D in '08 never would have done.

The D is generating turnovers that is the major reason we are 5-0
It's the major reason why the '05 team went 13-3 . It's the major reason the Dolphins went from worst to first in '08

I really like the new culture McD and Nolan has instilled at Dove Valley and I think it goes hand in hand with getting more turnovers but right now the Defense is carrying this team.

gunns
10-13-2009, 10:28 AM
just curious, how is that relevant to this?

to be sure, im happy the broncos are winning and that people are jumping on board again, im questioning why people would ever jump OFF without seeing how the results actually turned out or giving the new coach a chance.


No one jumped off, it was posters like you that disgusted them, they left to other boards. You just have a perspective that if they didn't agree with you they jumped off. Unfortunately, we're left with you. :flush:

gunns
10-13-2009, 10:31 AM
I disagree.

tsiguy took tons of crap in the offseason, and I firmly believe some regulars were trying to run him off the board through relentless ridicule. tsiguy kept the same message and discussed football.

If he wants to rub some noses in the dirt, that's fine with me. Some people earned a good kick in the teeth. Repetitive kicks in the teeth for their constant sneering at all things Bronco.

Of course you agree with him. If he wants to rub some noses in the dirt, do it by PM. I'm personally tired of his attempts to continually divide the Mane.

OBF1
10-13-2009, 10:33 AM
I've got about 8 messages stating that people left due to you... I'll post the most recent.

If poster left due to TSI's posts over the past couple of weeks, then they needed to find another team/board to support anyways.

I have been a fan of the Denver Broncos for 33 years now and even after listening to months worth of Mock, Rev, Buff and every idiot with Mc in front of their screen name, I am still a fan of the Denver Broncos and am still here at the mane.

I would personally be willing to listen to what you post if you were willing to drop the Mc slander from your screen name.....deal?

TheDave
10-13-2009, 10:34 AM
I would personally be willing to listen to what you post if you were willing to drop the Mc slander from your screen name.....deal?

When did the Mc thing become a negative?

Rock Chalk
10-13-2009, 10:35 AM
For the record, I have been right all along.

And, ON TOP OF THE SUCCESS the Broncos are enjoying (and ALL Bronco fans for that matter), I get to enjoy the success of my own brilliance.

Beyond that, who cares.

Who cares if Douche A lost faith or Douche B trolled the forum. Or if Douche C called everyone a Douche for not agreeing with his/her take about the team going to suck.

Who cares if Douche D is STILL mad about cutler being gone.

ALl that matters is that the Broncos are 5 and Oh bitches oh, and that I was right all along.

TheDave
10-13-2009, 10:36 AM
The TSI dude is using flawed logic.



TSI is an goof... I don't expect any more form him.

The surprising part is when guys like BI and Kaylore abandon all logic and join him.

Traveler
10-13-2009, 10:38 AM
TSI is an goof... I don't expect any more form him.

The surprising part is when guys like BI and Kaylore abandon all logic and join him.

Dayummm! You trying to lure in a big one? What kind of bait are you using? :wiggle:

TheDave
10-13-2009, 10:40 AM
Dayummm! What kind of bait are you using? :wiggle:

Beyond the Orton = Brady thing, I didn't think I was that negative.

But damn it obvious now that I ruffled some feathers.

Rock Chalk
10-13-2009, 10:41 AM
Beyond the Orton = Brady thing, I didn't think I was that negative.

But damn it obvious now that I ruffled some feathers.

Orton did look like BRady without the glove on though.

Funny how that worked out huh?

TheDave
10-13-2009, 10:42 AM
Orton did look like BRady without the glove on though.

Funny how that worked out huh?

You got about 3 superbowl rings to go before that one sticks...

Peoples Champ
10-13-2009, 10:45 AM
uhhh.....i think we had to fix the offense too, look at last years game versus NE. Our Ofense only put up 7 points.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=281020017

I am not sure how much better/worse NE defense is, but it looks like our offense is clicking with long drives.

Traveler
10-13-2009, 10:46 AM
Beyond the Orton = Brady thing, I didn't think I was that negative.

But damn it obvious now that I ruffled some feathers.

Maybe I read more into that comment than I should have. I thought you were trying to get Kaylore and company respond. My mistake.

Just glad you and others on both sides of the argument have calmed down....somewhat. It was vile here on the OM.

Rock Chalk
10-13-2009, 10:48 AM
You got about 3 superbowl rings to go before that one sticks...

Wrong.

1) Superbowls are not won by QBs alone.
2) Performance on the field is how you can compare two QBs to one another.
3) Talent wise, NE and Denver are similar on offense.
4) They are running the exact same offense.
5) Orton > Brady on Sunday.

TheDave
10-13-2009, 10:51 AM
Wrong.

1) Superbowls are not won by QBs alone.
2) Performance on the field is how you can compare two QBs to one another.
3) Talent wise, NE and Denver are similar on offense.
4) They are running the exact same offense.
5) Orton > Brady on Sunday.

Hey, if after Sunday you want to pretend that Orton and Brady are on par... Go for it.

Come to think of it, post that one on a NE message board. (just pm me a link) :thumbs:

TheDave
10-13-2009, 10:52 AM
Maybe I read more into that comment than I should have. I thought you were trying to get Kaylore and company respond. My mistake.

Just glad you and others on both sides of the argument have calmed down....somewhat. It was vile here on the OM.

Nope, not trying to bait anyone... It's been a while since I had to "Try" ;D

Rock Chalk
10-13-2009, 10:53 AM
Hey, if after Sunday you want to pretend that Orton and Brady are on par... Go for it.

Come to think of it, try that one out on a NE board. (just pm me a link) :thumbs:

Whoa.

I never said that. Orton isn't Brady.

He's better.

At least on Sunday he was. And that's all I give a **** about.

Irish Stout
10-13-2009, 10:54 AM
Hey, if after Sunday you want to pretend that Orton and Brady are on par... Go for it.

Come to think of it, try that one out on a NE board. (just pm me a link) :thumbs:

Zeus's beard man! No body has once said that Orton and Brady are the same dude over the long haul or that Orton will perform better than Brady this year. People have simply said that on Sunday, Orton executed in a manner that Brady does when he is at his best and that Brady was not at his best on Sunday.

Quit trying to turn people's words that Orton is overall better than Brady, nobody is that stupid to make that claim.... yet.

TheDave
10-13-2009, 10:54 AM
at least on sunday he was. And that's all i give a **** about.

ok

Drek
10-13-2009, 10:54 AM
It doesn't have to be about "I told you so" .

Some of the old posts are down right funny now and as long as the ribbing is good natured I don't see anything wrong with it, in fact on internet boards it is expected.

But that is all this thread is about.

The ribbing is not good natured, its a "rubbing people's faces in it because I happened to chose the right side" bitch-fest.

The average internet board is ****, there is a reason why people make fun of the ESPN boards and various other Broncos forums. The OM has traditionally held itself to a higher standard. Maybe the people who want to just smack talk fellow Broncos fans for disagreeing with them should go to one of those cesspools. The OM used to have intelligent discourse about the Denver Broncos. Now the majority of the discussion is a back and forth about who said what four or five months ago.

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 10:55 AM
Whoa.

I never said that. Orton isn't Brady.

He's better.

At least on Sunday he was. And that's all I give a **** about.

exactly, i dont care how good brady was, orton played an AMAZING game. go back and watch some of his throws, he WAS the better QB this weekend, the only weekend that matters as far as the patriots/broncos are concerned. and no, i dont attempt to divide the mane for those who are wondering. i wish people would support the broncos all the time, especially in the face of adversity and change. just doesnt work that way.

TheDave
10-13-2009, 10:56 AM
Zeus's beard man! No body has once said that Orton and Brady are the same dude over the long haul or that Orton will perform better than Brady this year. People have simply said that on Sunday, Orton executed in a manner that Brady does when he is at his best and that Brady was not at his best on Sunday.

Quit trying to turn people's words that Orton is overall better than Brady, nobody is that stupid to make that claim.... yet.

Actually this goes back to me giving montrose **** for his comment back in July...

My comments had nothing to do with Sunday.

baja
10-13-2009, 10:57 AM
Beyond the Orton = Brady thing, I didn't think I was that negative.

But damn it obvious now that I ruffled some feathers.

Yes you did Dave

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/237/445480693_0916930c8e.jpg

Yes you did. ;D

Florida_Bronco
10-13-2009, 10:57 AM
He took a lot of abuse because he was typically blindly optimistic without much in the way of an argument to back it up, yet he felt the need to call out other people's fan status time and time again.

Doesn't matter that he chose the right side of the debate, he was still acting like a jackass then. He's still acting like a jackass now. Not much has changed.

Also, no one deserves any level of abuse on this board. Just enjoy talking football. Let bygones be bygones, the people who where fiercely opposed to all our off-season moves know who they are, they know what they posted, no need to dig up old threads and rub it in their faces just to play the "I told you so" game. its a b**** move, plain and simple.

Agree with this post 100%.

baja
10-13-2009, 10:58 AM
You got about 3 superbowl rings to go before that one sticks...

Ok then how many rings does your boy Cutler have???

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 10:59 AM
ps drek, i had a perfect argument: i told people to wait until they see the team on the field before blindly doing anything, which is exactly what i did. use your selective memory if you wish, its not true. i was optimistic that we would be good, but didnt go around parading it to everyone because i wanted to see how the team turned out first, there was too much change for any real predictions with merit. but people like you choose not to acknowledge that, you just like to use the same talking points you tried then which still arent true to this day.

instead, people chose to be blindly retarded and call doom and gloom instead of actually waiting to see them on the field, thats SO much better then being optimistic and waiting to see if theyll be good. good call there.

TheDave
10-13-2009, 11:00 AM
Ok then how many rings does your boy Cutler have???

0... and that has what to do with the conversation?

baja
10-13-2009, 11:05 AM
But that is all this thread is about.

The ribbing is not good natured, its a "rubbing people's faces in it because I happened to chose the right side" b****-fest.

The average internet board is ****, there is a reason why people make fun of the ESPN boards and various other Broncos forums. The OM has traditionally held itself to a higher standard. Maybe the people who want to just smack talk fellow Broncos fans for disagreeing with them should go to one of those cesspools. The OM used to have intelligent discourse about the Denver Broncos. Now the majority of the discussion is a back and forth about who said what four or five months ago.

My point is there's a precious small few that are doing what you are claiming while the majority of us blind homers are just having a little well deserved fun with the bumping of threads and other friendly reminders. That is what I see going on here.

TailgateNut
10-13-2009, 11:06 AM
Beyond the Orton = Brady thing, I didn't think I was that negative.

But damn it obvious now that I ruffled some feathers.


"4-12"???....is pretty negative.

TheDave
10-13-2009, 11:08 AM
"4-12"???....is pretty negative.

Try 6-10... and don't kid yourself the vast majority of this board predicted .500 or below.

baja
10-13-2009, 11:09 AM
0... and that has what to do with the conversation?

it was you that chose rings as a measure of success and given your hard on for Cutler I was wondering where his rings were.

Lots of really good QBs do not have any rings. Just calling you on your take. ;D

Cito Pelon
10-13-2009, 11:10 AM
Of course you agree with him. If he wants to rub some noses in the dirt, do it by PM. I'm personally tired of his attempts to continually divide the Mane.

I doubt tsi has an agenda to "divide the Mane". He's just giving back in kind what he got earlier this year, and that's fine with me since I don't have to get kicked in the nuts. :wiggle:

TheDave
10-13-2009, 11:12 AM
it was you that chose rings as a measure of success and given your hard on for Cutler I was wondering where his rings were.

Lots of really good QBs do not have any rings. Just calling you on your take. ;D

So brady and Orton are equal in your opinion?

and before you ask... Brady>Cutler.

TailgateNut
10-13-2009, 11:17 AM
Try 6-10... and don't kid yourself the vast majority of this board predicted .500 or below.


Woody's just a bad fan...

I have been saying 6-10 since the draft. After watching 3 preseason games I'm not so optimistic.

4-12 seems very likely right now.


Hummmmmpf?

TheDave
10-13-2009, 11:20 AM
Woody's just a bad fan...

I have been saying 6-10 since the draft. After watching 3 preseason games I'm not so optimistic.

4-12 seems very likely right now.


Hummmmmpf?

Yes the 1st 3 preseason games were a major let down.

To top it off we thought orton and simms were out at that point.

Had we started the season off with "Brandy"... yeah, 4-12 starts to look more likely.

TailgateNut
10-13-2009, 11:23 AM
Yes the 1st 3 preseason games were a major let down.

To top it off we thought orton and simms were out at that point.

Had we started the season off with "Brandy"... yeah, 4-12 starts to look more likely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w65sm0yETZA&feature=related:wiggle:

TheDave
10-13-2009, 11:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w65sm0yETZA&feature=related:wiggle:

"More No handed Backward Bike Riding"... ???

TailgateNut
10-13-2009, 11:32 AM
I don't have to get kicked in the nuts. :wiggle:
That's ALWAYS a GOOD thing.LOL

Broncos4tw
10-13-2009, 11:33 AM
It's good we have people like TSI to tell us how we are required to act and respond as official Bronco fans. You are only allowed to be a homer, and expect the best, even if it looks like crap, because he says so. Doesn't matter if you've been a fan for 20+ years have paid your dues repeatedly, you are not allowed to protest anything the team does, or you are an "idiot" and apparently, no longer a fan. Clearly TSI has the ability to remove your fanship because he says so. Who knew he had so much power!

gunns
10-13-2009, 11:36 AM
uhhh.....i think we had to fix the offense too, look at last years game versus NE. Our Ofense only put up 7 points.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=281020017

I am not sure how much better/worse NE defense is, but it looks like our offense is clicking with long drives.

I love how McD is using TOP. Our offense is letting our D rest and that helps immensely.

Lev Vyvanse
10-13-2009, 11:36 AM
"More No handed Backward Bike Riding"... ???

The guy is peddling backwards?

TailgateNut
10-13-2009, 11:37 AM
It's good we have people like TSI to tell us how we are required to act and respond as official Bronco fans. You are only allowed to be a homer, and expect the best, even if it looks like crap, because he says so. Doesn't matter if you've been a fan for 20+ years have paid your dues repeatedly, you are not allowed to protest anything the team does, or you are an "idiot" and apparently, no longer a fan. Clearly TSI has the ability to remove your fanship because he says so. Who knew he had so much power!

I don't know you, but STFU already. He and many other were called out as being blind homers (and that's the nicest term used) and idiots for wanting to give the team a chance.
I agree that he is going "above and beyond" with his posts, but those who were dead set against this team and the off-season changes have no room to chastize anyone. PERIOD.

TailgateNut
10-13-2009, 11:38 AM
The guy is peddling backwards?
I always knew, TheDave was a bit slow.:D

TonyR
10-13-2009, 11:42 AM
The OM has traditionally held itself to a higher standard. Maybe the people who want to just smack talk fellow Broncos fans for disagreeing with them should go to one of those cesspools. The OM used to have intelligent discourse about the Denver Broncos. Now the majority of the discussion is a back and forth about who said what four or five months ago.

Drek, you're one of the better posters here in my opinion but I do want to point out that this is the same place where one of the mods created a thread calling our owner a gutless drunk, another mod (and inexplicably revered poster) so embarassed himself with his negative and wrongheaded posts about McD and the team that he has stopped posting, and several long time posters trashed the the owner, coach and organization for the past few months, and yet somehow we're going to sit here straight faced and entertain the notion that tsiguy is the problem here? Come on, guys, a little perspective, please.

TailgateNut
10-13-2009, 11:45 AM
Drek, you're one of the better posters here in my opinion but I do want to point out that this is the same place where one of the mods created a thread calling our owner a gutless drunk, another mod (and inexplicably revered poster) so embarassed himself with his negative and wrongheaded posts about McD and the team that he has stopped posting, and several long time posters trashed the the owner, coach and organization for the past few months, and yet somehow we're going to sit here straight faced and entertain the notion that tsiguy is the problem here? Come on, guys, a little perspective, please.



It's akin to the US apologizing to Japan for dropping the bomb after their cowardly attack.

TheDave
10-13-2009, 11:45 AM
I always knew, TheDave was a bit slow.:D

So now it's backpeddeling and negative if you think your team will suffer because the top 2 QB's are injured?


Good lord this place has gotten strange.


You guys win... I'll find somewhere else to enjoy 5-0.

OBF1
10-13-2009, 11:48 AM
I like string cheese

TailgateNut
10-13-2009, 11:49 AM
So now it's backpeddeling and negative if you think your team will suffer because the top 2 QB's are injured?


Good lord this place has gotten strange.


You guys win... I'll find somewhere else to enjoy 5-0.

Don't get yer panties all in a wad. I was just replying to your claim of never predicting 4-12.

Geezzz.

Thin skinned fuggers.:wiggle:

TailgateNut
10-13-2009, 11:50 AM
I like string cheese

Me too.
It's really good when you poke holes in a rib roast and shove the string cheese in the hole.

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 11:54 AM
If poster left due to TSI's posts over the past couple of weeks, then they needed to find another team/board to support anyways.

I have been a fan of the Denver Broncos for 33 years now and even after listening to months worth of Mock, Rev, Buff and every idiot with Mc in front of their screen name, I am still a fan of the Denver Broncos and am still here at the mane.

I would personally be willing to listen to what you post if you were willing to drop the Mc slander from your screen name.....deal?

Dem, I mean this with the most respect you could possibly imagine... I asked to change my screen name to McOskie about the same time I posted the thread about the best of McDaniels is about to come. Look at the 15 words or less thread from back in December, the coach I wanted all along was Josh McDaniels. So, know what the F*** you are talking about before you give me any shiat about my screen name. Most of us did it in support of Josh McDaniels, not to "slander" him. For the Mocks, Buffs, and Revs I cannot speak, but as for myself, I have always been a Josh McDaniels fan... even if I haven't agreed with all of his personnel decisions.

Broncos4tw
10-13-2009, 11:56 AM
but those who were dead set against this team...

See.. that's your problem. You don't get that many fans were PO'd because they do love the team so much, and they felt it was getting destroyed by stupid decisions. And it's not like they were making this crap up they were supported by almost all experts, who also thought the Broncos were going in reverse.

I was a fan of the Broncos when Elway was still in college. I have never wavered in my support of this team, ever. But I was shaking my head at some of the decisions. I certainly didn't think we'd win over 7 games. But I sure as hell don't need some sack-licking fan to tell me I can't b**** if I want to. I b****ed at Reeves and his conservative playcalling that held Elway back for years. I ranted over some of the previous QB decisions. And I ranted over some of the issues this offseason. I sure as hell am no less a fan than you or anyone else.

But I cheered on this team since our first game this year, I've cheered at (and cussed at) Orton from game 1, and I'll continue to call it as I see it. People are entitled to opinions, entitled to change their minds, and hardly need someone like tsi telling them what they can and can't do as a fan of their favorite team.

Drek
10-13-2009, 11:57 AM
Drek, you're one of the better posters here in my opinion but I do want to point out that this is the same place where one of the mods created a thread calling our owner a gutless drunk, another mod (and inexplicably revered poster) so embarassed himself with his negative and wrongheaded posts about McD and the team that he has stopped posting, and several long time posters trashed the the owner, coach and organization for the past few months, and yet somehow we're going to sit here straight faced and entertain the notion that tsiguy is the problem here? Come on, guys, a little perspective, please.

So because some people acted like jackasses everyone else gets to?

Or in the case of tsiguy, the fact that he's been acting like a jackass almost non-stop on here gets excused?

TJ made some emotional posts this off-season that weren't the most rational or logical statements in the world. So did SoCal. So did Blue. But then so did all the people calling out other poster's fandom for not agreeing when they couldn't see the concept management had.

I've been on this board for over five years now. Its always been about the Broncos first and foremost. Right now though it seems to be more focused on the "we where right, you where wrong" douche bag antics of a select few people, many of whom where blindly optimistic without a real reason other than being a orange tinted glasses wearing homer.

Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't entitle you to rub it in someone else's face when their takes are wrong, or act holier than thou just because you chose the right side of an argument.

Believe me, I know how frustrating this off-season was. I was on here quite a bit debating WHY the moves we where making were smart football moves. But you know what? Instead of screaming "I told you so!" in the majority of threads on here why don't we get back to talking about WHY those moves are working out for us and what to expect going forward?

The Broncos team has shown some impressive sportsmanship in their five wins this season despite being considered a dead team walking by many. Why not take their performance as an inspiration and hold yourself to a higher standard as well?

TailgateNut
10-13-2009, 11:59 AM
See.. that's your problem. You don't get that many fans were PO'd because they do love the team so much, and they felt it was getting destroyed by stupid decisions. And it's not like they were making this crap up they were supported by almost all experts, who also thought the Broncos were going in reverse.

I was a fan of the Broncos when Elway was still in college. I have never wavered in my support of this team, ever. But I was shaking my head at some of the decisions. I certainly didn't think we'd win over 7 games. But I sure as hell don't need some sack-licking fan to tell me I can't b**** if I want to. I b****ed at Reeves and his conservative playcalling that held Elway back for years. I ranted over some of the previous QB decisions. And I ranted over some of the issues this offseason. I sure as hell am no less a fan than you or anyone else.

But I cheered on this team since our first game this year, I've cheered at (and cussed at) Orton from game 1, and I'll continue to call it as I see it. People are entitled to opinions, entitled to change their minds, and hardly need someone like tsi telling them what they can and can't do as a fan of their favorite team.


No comment!

tsiguy96
10-13-2009, 12:00 PM
So because some people acted like jackasses everyone else gets to?

Or in the case of tsiguy, the fact that he's been acting like a jackass almost non-stop on here gets excused?

TJ made some emotional posts this off-season that weren't the most rational or logical statements in the world. So did SoCal. So did Blue. But then so did all the people calling out other poster's fandom for not agreeing when they couldn't see the concept management had.

I've been on this board for over five years now. Its always been about the Broncos first and foremost. Right now though it seems to be more focused on the "we where right, you where wrong" douche bag antics of a select few people, many of whom where blindly optimistic without a real reason other than being a orange tinted glasses wearing homer.

Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't entitle you to rub it in someone else's face when their takes are wrong, or act holier than thou just because you chose the right side of an argument.

Believe me, I know how frustrating this off-season was. I was on here quite a bit debating WHY the moves we where making were smart football moves. But you know what? Instead of screaming "I told you so!" in the majority of threads on here why don't we get back to talking about WHY those moves are working out for us and what to expect going forward?

The Broncos team has shown some impressive sportsmanship in their five wins this season despite being considered a dead team walking by many. Why not take their performance as an inspiration and hold yourself to a higher standard as well?

couldnt see the concept is one thing, the mcdip****, seasons over 3-13 at best, absolutely top 5 pick for midget retard CB, mcdaniels is in over his head and doesnt know what hes doing posts are the ones im talking about, how do you not understand this? do all those trolling posts just get passed off as gentle criticism?

Cito Pelon
10-13-2009, 12:02 PM
Maybe I read more into that comment than I should have. I thought you were trying to get Kaylore and company respond. My mistake.

Just glad you and others on both sides of the argument have calmed down....somewhat. It was vile here on the OM.

Still is and will continue to be, that's the Mane.

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 12:03 PM
The Broncos team has shown some impressive sportsmanship in their five wins this season despite being considered a dead team walking by many. Why not take their performance as an inspiration and hold yourself to a higher standard as well?
If and when we get sigs back, this is going in mine!

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 12:04 PM
couldnt see the concept is one thing, the mcdip****, seasons over 3-13 at best, absolutely top 5 pick for midget retard CB, mcdaniels is in over his head and doesnt know what hes doing posts are the ones im talking about, how do you not understand this? do all those trolling posts just get passed off as gentle criticism?

Nope, but you can sit back and smile knowing that you were right all along. Do you need more than that?

TheDave
10-13-2009, 12:06 PM
Don't get yer panties all in a wad. I was just replying to your claim of never predicting 4-12.

Geezzz.

Thin skinned fuggers.:wiggle:

1st off I should have been more specific I meant thread, not place.

and it's not about my panties in a bunch.

anymore you make a topic related post or 2 and you spend the rest of the thread defending against 3 - 6 month old BS. It gets real tedious real quick.

I just need to do a better job of ignoring people...

Broncos4tw
10-13-2009, 12:06 PM
couldnt see the concept is one thing, the mcdip****, seasons over 3-13 at best, absolutely top 5 pick for midget retard CB, mcdaniels is in over his head and doesnt know what hes doing posts are the ones im talking about, how do you not understand this? do all those trolling posts just get passed off as gentle criticism?

What do you care? Are you the moderator of this board? What do you care what other fans think, or if they were po'd by offseason changes or not?

If this is just your way of saying "omg I was right and you were all WRONG! baby!"... just out and say it and let it go, so this season can continue without this ridiculous banter.

Drek
10-13-2009, 12:07 PM
couldnt see the concept is one thing, the mcdip****, seasons over 3-13 at best, absolutely top 5 pick for midget retard CB, mcdaniels is in over his head and doesnt know what hes doing posts are the ones im talking about, how do you not understand this? do all those trolling posts just get passed off as gentle criticism?

No, as someone being a ****ing idiot.

Do you need to respond to absolute ****ing idiocy from three, four, or five months ago with your own brand of absolute ****ing idiocy?

**** man, hold yourself to a higher standard. Besides, the only time it was direct AT YOU was when you started calling out other people's fandom. Other than that it was directed at McDaniels and Bowlen. I think those two multi-millionaires can handle themselves just fine.

TonyR
10-13-2009, 12:08 PM
Believe me, I know how frustrating this off-season was. I was on here quite a bit debating WHY the moves we where making were smart football moves. But you know what? Instead of screaming "I told you so!" in the majority of threads on here why don't we get back to talking about WHY those moves are working out for us and what to expect going forward?

I completely agree. I'm not excusing the "I told you so" stuff, I just don't want people running with the "tsiguy is the problem" reasoning when there has been a lot of unfortunate and unconstructive garbage flying from all directions around here. 5-0 hasn't yet done it, but maybe 6-0 will unite us all!!!

Broncos4tw
10-13-2009, 12:11 PM
I just get irritated because aside from the obvious trolls, many fans who were expressing their severe disgust with how things were being handled, are being treated like less-than-fans, and I don't get it. They were just as concerned as those who felt we were suddenly magical and wonderful and we were heading to the SB under the wings of Josh. Polar opposite ideas about this team doesn't make either side less of a fan. Even though I didn't agree with anyone who expressed opposite ideas from my own, doesn't mean I ever felt they were less of a fan because of it.

baja
10-13-2009, 12:11 PM
So brady and Orton are equal in your opinion?

and before you ask... Brady>Cutler.

Brady is clearly better than Cutler and I think before it's all said and done Orton will prove to be a better QB than Cutler too. JMO

Cito Pelon
10-13-2009, 12:20 PM
couldnt see the concept is one thing, the mcdip****, seasons over 3-13 at best, absolutely top 5 pick for midget retard CB, mcdaniels is in over his head and doesnt know what hes doing posts are the ones im talking about, how do you not understand this? do all those trolling posts just get passed off as gentle criticism?

True.

If you run your mouth you get kicked in the teeth sometimes, it's known as accountability. This isn't some touchy-feely board. If you run your mouth too much and are wrong, you get your ass kicked. Simple stuff. Some people ran their mouths too much here, now they're getting their ass kicked. No big deal. Everybody pretty much at some point gets their ass kicked.

Broncoman13
10-13-2009, 12:23 PM
True.

If you run your mouth you get kicked in the teeth sometimes, it's known as accountability. This isn't some touchy-feely board. If you run your mouth too much and are wrong, you get your ass kicked. Simple stuff. Some people ran their mouths too much here, now they're getting their ass kicked. No big deal. Everybody pretty much at some point gets their ass kicked.

Who exactly is getting their "ass kicked" here? Seems to me the main people that were against everything McD aren't even posting!

baja
10-13-2009, 12:25 PM
1st off I should have been more specific I meant thread, not place.

and it's not about my panties in a bunch.

anymore you make a topic related post or 2 and you spend the rest of the thread defending against 3 - 6 month old BS. It gets real tedious real quick.

I just need to do a better job of ignoring people...

Dude I still get busted about Darius Watts by you and that was what 5 seasons ago. ;D

I know it is all in good fun as are my digs now

barryr
10-13-2009, 12:25 PM
It wasn't just about fans expressing worry about the upcoming season. It was the silly hysteria of "oh, McDaniels is going to get rid of all Shanahan players, he's an idiot, the team won't win 4 games, he's just a kid, ...etc." and coming up with all kinds of weird nonsense to try to convince others the doom and gloom was going to happen. Plus, calling those that preferred the wait and see approach a bunch of stupid names and such. Expressing concern was the least of their doings. It was how they did so was the problem. Good grief, I remember this forum filled with countless McDaniels is an idiot type of threads and should be fired before training camp even started. So no, some of us aren't going to easily forget such action taken by some who are very reluctant even know to recount anything they posted.

Drek
10-13-2009, 12:50 PM
True.

If you run your mouth you get kicked in the teeth sometimes, it's known as accountability. This isn't some touchy-feely board. If you run your mouth too much and are wrong, you get your ass kicked. Simple stuff. Some people ran their mouths too much here, now they're getting their ass kicked. No big deal. Everybody pretty much at some point gets their ass kicked.

Its not so hard to call people on the BS they where spreading all off-season with some class and civility though.

You don't need to make inflammatory threads, dig up months old threads, or question someone's fandom/loyalty to the team.

Kick their ass at debating Broncos football. Let the product on the field prove you right. Be happy, look forward to the next week. No need to be a sore winner about it.

Garcia Bronco
10-13-2009, 12:54 PM
Who exactly is getting their "ass kicked" here? Seems to me the main people that were against everything McD aren't even posting!

This. It's like they can't stomach being wrong...and the team is winning. Come back and enjoy it..............jerks. :)

Cito Pelon
10-13-2009, 01:15 PM
Who exactly is getting their "ass kicked" here? Seems to me the main people that were against everything McD aren't even posting!

Ha! Ass kicked in absentia, I guess.

Bronx33
10-13-2009, 01:16 PM
meh, this act is getting kinda old, lets just enjoy some broncos football!


I wonder what type of threads we would be seeing now and from whom if the broncos were 0-5. :wiggle:

TailgateNut
10-13-2009, 01:20 PM
I wonder what type of threads we would be seeing now and from whom if the broncos were 0-5. :wiggle:


I know who would be posting them.

jhns
BF7
Rev
Atwater
Lex
and last but definately not least, Colonel I have a Beef.


...and I'd bet a few bills no one could get them to STFU!

Cito Pelon
10-13-2009, 01:23 PM
Its not so hard to call people on the BS they where spreading all off-season with some class and civility though.

You don't need to make inflammatory threads, dig up months old threads, or question someone's fandom/loyalty to the team.

Kick their ass at debating Broncos football. Let the product on the field prove you right. Be happy, look forward to the next week. No need to be a sore winner about it.

Class and civility? Never heard of it. I'll google it, but I can't guarantee if it will sink in.

SureShot
10-13-2009, 02:16 PM
If you are a whore for rep just tell tsiTalon he sucks and sit back and watch the spice flow.