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epicSocialism4tw
10-12-2009, 12:44 PM
These guys almost clowned the Broncos to a loss yesterday:

1. Andre Goodman - Was repeatedly confused in coverage. The Pats picked on him all day. If it wasnt Welker running routes that bewildered him, it was Moss flat out beating him down the field. He also pursued plays tentatively and was barely a factor in run defense. Hopefully this will be a good learning experience for him.

2. Wesley Woodyard - In the same way that Goodman was confused in coverage, Woodyard couldnt figure out who he was supposed to cover half of the time. Woodyard could frequently be seen running around like a spastic chicken. Woodyard gave up the Pats TD to close the second half when he couldnt figure out that he was supposed to cover Ben Watson.

3. Special Teams - The Prater miss, the Reid penalty, the Richard Quinn offsides penalty...all bonehead plays. These guys need to pull their heads out. Thank goodness the defense is ridiculous or the Pats would have been gifted points when special teams ruined two 3-and-outs in a row.

The Joker
10-12-2009, 12:46 PM
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broncocalijohn
10-12-2009, 12:47 PM
Not sure on your first two but the ST could have killed us. Last year, we lose. Our D played 3 sets to finally stop the Pats who then punted to our 2 yard line. TG it was a 3 and out on the first one or we would have been screwed with a tired D. It shows how great this D is to give Brady 3 chances to score on one drive and still had to punt around the 50 yard line.
BTW: no problem showing the low points as nothing is perfect. I do enjoy the win and monday morning QBing is the time to bring up the negative. Bronco Buff learned this last month.

atomicbloke
10-12-2009, 12:48 PM
4. McSkillet - The Broncos are 5-0. It is something that happens very rarely. Even for very good super-bowl winning teams. Let the fans enjoy it while they can.

cutthemdown
10-12-2009, 12:50 PM
I didn't know who the player was but I also saw the confusion on the Ben Watson TD.

It's tough to say if it was the player, or a player caught in a position where he isn't getting what the coaches told him to expect and he is confused.

Obviously if Brady hits Moss it could be a different game. That was just a blown coverage by him.

Don't be surprised to see one of the young guns push him for a job by end of yr.

ward63
10-12-2009, 12:52 PM
1. It's hard to stop two PB WR's
2. Wesley was a little confused, but played really well most of the game.
3. No excuses here...they played pretty badly

broncocalijohn
10-12-2009, 12:54 PM
4. McSkillet - The Broncos are 5-0. It is something that happens very rarely. Even for very good super-bowl winning teams. Let the fans enjoy it while they can.

he waited until Monday. I think timing is fine. Plus, no where did he say anything about Soccer!

epicSocialism4tw
10-12-2009, 12:55 PM
Oh...and I forgot another one:

4. Ben Hamilton - This dude was getting tossed around like a ragdoll by Vince Wilfork all day. In fact, the Pats lined Wilfork up over Hamilton because he had no chance to stop Wilfork. The Broncos could not run off of guard at all in this game...especially in critical 3rd and shorts because Hamilton would end up 5 yards in the backfield.

DarkHorse
10-12-2009, 12:56 PM
Did anyone catch McDaniels ripping into the ST coach on the sideline after the Punter was "hit"?

I thought he was going to fire the guy right then and there


Read his lips:

"I don't want to see one more motherfu%$ing mistake out there!"

Popps
10-12-2009, 01:00 PM
Did anyone catch McDaniels ripping into the ST coach on the sideline after the Punter was "hit"?

I thought he was going to fire the guy right then and there


Read his lips:

"I don't want to see one more motherfu%$ing mistake out there!"

Yep.

Bummer that Reid was the culprit. He's been such a great player for us. It was a ticky-tack call, and a great acting job by the punter.

antd700
10-12-2009, 01:02 PM
Apparently that was the first time Wilfork has ever tossed anyone around; it was also the first time that Wes Welker and Randy Moss have ever beaten cornerbacks. Gees, we must be bad.

Remember, something my coach always told me, the other guys get paid too. Don't worry about it, al these players are good enough to help us win!

epicSocialism4tw
10-12-2009, 01:12 PM
Apparently that was the first time Wilfork has ever tossed anyone around; it was also the first time that Wes Welker and Randy Moss have ever beaten cornerbacks. Gees, we must be bad.

Remember, something my coach always told me, the other guys get paid too. Don't worry about it, al these players are good enough to help us win!

Sure...and everyone has a bad game occasionally (some more occasionally than others).

However, I'm sure your coach also told you to get your job done on the field. These guys did not contribute much to the win because they could not do their job.

TonyR
10-12-2009, 01:14 PM
These guys almost...

All fair observations.

On the Woodyard TD Phil Simms noted that some guys were in zone and some in man-to-man. He also noted at one point during the game that Denver's defense is very complicated because they call a formation and play each down.

The Quinn ST penalty was awful. You cannot make that mistake. Bet he won't do it again!

HEAV
10-12-2009, 01:39 PM
Oh...and I forgot another one:

4. Ben Hamilton - This dude was getting tossed around like a ragdoll by Vince Wilfork all day. In fact, the Pats lined Wilfork up over Hamilton because he had no chance to stop Wilfork. The Broncos could not run off of guard at all in this game...especially in critical 3rd and shorts because Hamilton would end up 5 yards in the backfield.

While "Drama Llama" is correct about Hamilton.

Drama Llama is still a sore winner errrrrr whiner. The team isn't perfect, not many teams are, but it's a good solid team. A good team is all I was hoping for in 2009. A solid foundation is being built for the future of the franchise.

Enjoy the wins and except the fact that not every team play 100% perfect.

Mountain Bronco
10-12-2009, 01:44 PM
Goodman did get beat a couple times, but no harm no foul. He has played well other games and will step it up.

The touchdown by Watson was a blown assignment, but it wasn't necessarily Woodyard, he clearly thought he had help and let Watson go. Could have been his bad though.

Special Teams needs to get better in a freaking hurry. And what is up with Royal fair catching inside the 10 consistently?

Hamilton has always been owned by monsterous DLinemen. Nothing new here, plus Wilfork might be the best in the NFL right now at what he does.

Smiling Assassin27
10-12-2009, 01:48 PM
Special teams, with the exception of B. Kern, you mean. That dude was nails all day long--a 64 yarder, a coffin corner, and perfect holds for prater. Dude had a very good day.

Bronco Yoda
10-12-2009, 01:52 PM
That (eventual) stop where we gave up two ST penalties was THE most impressive stop of the season IMO.

There's going to be some extra laps for the special teams today. Situational awareness is a key focus from McD. He gets that from Bilicheat. Those two boneheaded penalties could have cost us the game.

antd700
10-12-2009, 01:56 PM
Sure...and everyone has a bad game occasionally (some more occasionally than others).

However, I'm sure your coach also told you to get your job done on the field. These guys did not contribute much to the win because they could not do their job.

Yup, he did, but I just think that next week these guys will pick their game back up. As has been stated Hamilton can often struggle with the monsters (he still is a fine player though) and I fully expect them Goodman to play better next week.

To me it looked like Woodyard just got turned inside out a bit. He certainly could have done better and I will conceed that ST needs to improve. So whilst I suppose I agree with some (not all) the things you are saying, I think I am just not as concerned about them as you. To me they are more an aberration than a trend, but feel free to disagree with me on that!

Vegas_Bronco
10-12-2009, 02:03 PM
I was about ready to kick Goodman's and Woodyard's azz yesterday! Watch the game highlights and you can see Goodman trying to protect himself all day from injury and Woodyard was in his own little world.....I think he's been watching too much film of Ian Gold coverage abilities.

Bronco Yoda
10-12-2009, 02:04 PM
I don't think any of these things should be a concern but they should be noted. Everyone has bad days, everyone is going to get owned by someone and **** just happens. Now, If this becomes a pattern.... well then...

epicSocialism4tw
10-12-2009, 02:17 PM
Yup, he did, but I just think that next week these guys will pick their game back up. As has been stated Hamilton can often struggle with the monsters (he still is a fine player though) and I fully expect them Goodman to play better next week.

To me it looked like Woodyard just got turned inside out a bit. He certainly could have done better and I will conceed that ST needs to improve. So whilst I suppose I agree with some (not all) the things you are saying, I think I am just not as concerned about them as you. To me they are more an aberration than a trend, but feel free to disagree with me on that!

Well, what we have learned is that Goodman can be exploited by good QB's (just like Foxworth was by Benburger and every CB not named Champ Bailey in a Denver Broncos uniform has been exploited by Peyton Manning). We also learned that Hamilton is ineffective in run blocking against big NT's, and struggles in pass blocking sometimes against them as well. We learned that Woodyard may be fun to watch because of his energy, but that he doesnt play a whole lot because he is not mentally prepared.

epicSocialism4tw
10-12-2009, 02:20 PM
I was about ready to kick Goodman's and Woodyard's azz yesterday! Watch the game highlights and you can see Goodman trying to protect himself all day from injury and Woodyard was in his own little world.....I think he's been watching too much film of Ian Gold coverage abilities.

There was a play in the 4th quarter where the Pats ran the ball off of the edge and around the corner. The Denver LB's read the play well and shut down the cutback gaps. This left Goodman to come in and tackle the RB for a loss. Instead of going low and wrapping up at the legs, Goodman just kind of threw his body in the way and left the RB to cut upfield to turn a 3 or 4 yard loss into a no-gain play when the other Bronco defenders made the tackle.

Clockwork Orange
10-12-2009, 02:22 PM
Yep.

Bummer that Reid was the culprit. He's been such a great player for us. It was a ticky-tack call, and a great acting job by the punter.

Both of those penalties were serious mental errors. You have to know that so much as a five yard penalty is going to essentially be a turnover. If you're rushing the punter, you know good and well he's gonna flop like Manu Ginobli having a seizure if you so much as brush against him and you can't leave it up to the referees discretion. Jumping offisides after that was just criminally dumb and I'm sure McDaniels gained some gray hair during that whole sequence.

The result of those penalties was about 5 minutes off the clock and a loss of roughly 55 yards in field position. It's a testament to the defense that they were able to keep New England from getting any points out of it and the offense for taking the ball in the shadow of their own goalposts and calmly taking it down the field for the tying score. That impressed the hell out of me because a weaker team would have folded under those unfortunate circumstances.

epicSocialism4tw
10-12-2009, 02:22 PM
While "Drama Llama" is correct about Hamilton.

Drama Llama is still a sore winner errrrrr whiner. The team isn't perfect, not many teams are, but it's a good solid team. A good team is all I was hoping for in 2009. A solid foundation is being built for the future of the franchise.

Enjoy the wins and except the fact that not every team play 100% perfect.

Oh noes!

How dare anyone pay attention to the game!

What kind of inhumane animal notices some things that went wrong in a close game that could have cost the winnin team the game?!?!

What shame!!!!

epicSocialism4tw
10-12-2009, 02:25 PM
The result of those penalties was about 5 minutes off the clock and a loss of roughly 55 yards in field position. It's a testament to the defense that they were able to keep New England from getting any points out of it and the offense for taking the ball in the shadow of their own goalposts and calmly taking it down the field for the tying score. That impressed the hell out of me because a weaker team would have folded under those unfortunate circumstances.

This is the most impressive thing about these Broncos. The old Broncos would hold it together while they are frontrunning and then collapse at the first sign of adversity. These guys shine under adversity.

The Pats did not score in the second half.

Broncoman13
10-12-2009, 03:54 PM
These guys almost clowned the Broncos to a loss yesterday:

1. Andre Goodman - Was repeatedly confused in coverage. The Pats picked on him all day. If it wasnt Welker running routes that bewildered him, it was Moss flat out beating him down the field. He also pursued plays tentatively and was barely a factor in run defense. Hopefully this will be a good learning experience for him.

I thought Goodman played decent football. They put a lot on him yesterday asking him to keep his side of the field. Even when it was Welker and Moss lined up on his side... That is a lot to ask of anyone. I agree he got beat a few times and the Pats took advantage of him a few times, but that is what good teams do and what McD does to our opponents as well.


2. Wesley Woodyard - In the same way that Goodman was confused in coverage, Woodyard couldnt figure out who he was supposed to cover half of the time. Woodyard could frequently be seen running around like a spastic chicken. Woodyard gave up the Pats TD to close the second half when he couldnt figure out that he was supposed to cover Ben Watson.

Woodyard sucks. His play had dropped off tremendously since he is no longer allowed to freelance and must play within the system. He is not a good fit for what Nolan is trying to do on defense. We're going to need another LB in the draft next year, hopefully someone that can cover.

3. Special Teams - The Prater miss, the Reid penalty, the Richard Quinn offsides penalty...all bonehead plays. These guys need to pull their heads out. Thank goodness the defense is ridiculous or the Pats would have been gifted points when special teams ruined two 3-and-outs in a row.

The Darrell Reid running into the kicker penalty was pretty boneheaded. We were going to be in great field position and had a chance at a good return as they were quick punting to avoid the block... But to me that penalty wasn't nearly as bad as Quinn's. I think you see a guy jump off sides on the punt return team about once a season... LEAGUE WIDE!!! I hope this rookie has more to bring then what we're seeing thus far (and I think he does) b/c right now it's looking like the biggest boneheaded pick in the draft. And, that isn't considering giving up a couple of 3rds to get him and a 4th.



I'd probably add Kenny McKinley to your STs post as well. Love the kid, but returning a kick that was 8 yards deep in your endzone is never a good idea. I know he wants to make a play, but that wasn't the time to try to be special.

bronclvr
10-12-2009, 04:00 PM
Yep.

Bummer that Reid was the culprit. He's been such a great player for us. It was a ticky-tack call, and a great acting job by the punter.


After the play, I watched the sideline, and Reid stayed as far away from anyone as he could-for a loooooonnnnngg time-

dextermilo
10-12-2009, 04:23 PM
Yep.

Bummer that Reid was the culprit. He's been such a great player for us. It was a ticky-tack call, and a great acting job by the punter.

How was that ticky-tack or good acting? He spun the punter around. I suppose the punter could have thrown his leg strait up then somehow while completely in the air spun himself quickly to the right. Must be some kind of double jointed lateral knee bend trick.

Just sayin'... :~ohyah!:

SportinOne
10-12-2009, 04:39 PM
How was that ticky-tack or good acting? He spun the punter around. I suppose the punter could have thrown his leg strait up then somehow while completely in the air spun himself quickly to the right. Must be some kind of double jointed lateral knee bend trick.

Just sayin'... :~ohyah!:

It was good acting because, after Reid half walked-half jogged into his outstretched leg, he twisted and fell to the ground in a way that made it look like he was hit by someone at a dead sprint. It was ticky tacky because the ref either didn't notice this or saw the flop and called it anyway.

ZONA
10-12-2009, 05:03 PM
Each team had mental mistakes, it's hard to play a full game and not make any. But the Broncos blowing back to back ST plays to get the ball back was brutal. You can say 1 stupid play, okay it happens. But when your defense sucks it up and shuts them down again and then you have another consecutive screw up on ST's, that cannot happen and I'm sure McD will be getting after the guys this week.

As for Goodman, on that long play to Moss that Brady missed, I'm not sure I can just pin that on Goodman. It appeared as if he thought there should be safety help but BOTH safeties were on the same side of the field (and then ran towards the other side once the ball was in the air). I think one of the safeties made the mistake. I don't think the call was to have Goodman go against Moss 1 on 1 on a go route.

Woodyard was off a bit on his duties. Welker does that to alot of people but that doesn't mean we should use that as an excuse for Woodyard, I know Josh and Nolan won't. They expect the guys to know the assignment and then to do your best to execute it. When you don't even know the assignment, you've already lost the battle. All it takes with great players like Welker, Moss and Brady is just that split second of indecision and they make you pay. That's why Josh said it would be so hard to beat these guys, they usually don't make mistakes and when you do, they make you pay for them.

But we won and now we move on.