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outdoor_miner
10-09-2009, 09:00 AM
So - stole this from Bronco Mania, but it's pretty revealing. Supposedly a snippet from an NFL Gameday interview that will air this weekend.

"The second game of the season at halftime everyone left (the locker room), getting ready to go back out there and I stayed and I sat in my locker, put my head down with a towel over my head. I thought I was the only one in there and I broke down (in tears). I heard a voice and it was Brian Dawkins. He tapped me four times on my back…he said ‘Come on baby.’ And once I heard that, it’s like my teammates are with me…I’m going to get through this. And I think everything is on track, we’re on track. It’s exciting to be a Bronco."

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=153129

I believe the 2nd quarter in Cleveland was where he pretty much sat out the entire quarter. Nice work by Dawkins. :thumbsup:

Paladin
10-09-2009, 09:06 AM
At two million dollars+ per, he still needs to feel "appreciated".........

Pseudofool
10-09-2009, 09:07 AM
So I guess Dawk is using baby as in honey, not is in crybaby. Heh.

Mr. Elway
10-09-2009, 09:10 AM
Though I think Marshall is a bit of a head case in this regard, I disagree that it's just money he wants. I truly think he has a deep need to feel appreciated and to be a superstar. Hopefully he can channel that energy the right way, because we have all seen the results when he does.

Steve Prefontaine
10-09-2009, 09:25 AM
So I guess Dawk is using baby as in honey, not is in crybaby. Heh.
haha. i thought the same at first.

Drek
10-09-2009, 09:27 AM
Though I think Marshall is a bit of a head case in this regard, I disagree that it's just money he wants. I truly think he has a deep need to feel appreciated and to be a superstar. Hopefully he can channel that energy the right way, because we have all seen the results when he does.

Isn't that what its all about though?

I mean he's got millions, and I haven't heard any crazy stories about Pacman or Vick levels of largess from him. He's probably pretty well off for life already.

He has the same thing that Chad Johnson has, that need to prove himself an elite player and to have it validated. That is what makes a great player, that constant hunger. Jerry Rice had it and its why he was an elite WR well into his 30's.

The key for Marshall is to not get further down (or even as far down) the flavor clown path than Chad Johnson. He needs to take the Shannon Sharpe route. Showboat some if you want, talk ****, boast, but don't let it cross the line into game situations.

Last week Chad Johnson had to be physically restrained multiple times from taunting Browns fans in Cleveland last week. He's like a starving dog after a bone when its time to celebrate, and he stops being a rational person. Marshall needs to learn that the long term fame and adulation will come when he builds the kind of career that Jerry Rice, Chris Carter, Shannon Sharpe, and Rod Smith had. Years of being a productive winner.

Johnson is going to finish his career with some impressive numbers, but I doubt he ever wins a title or even makes a SB appearance. He'll struggle to make the HOF as a result. Reggie Wayne's great play is like some revelation to ESPN this season now that Harrison is gone, but he's probably going into the HOF if he keeps at his current levels for just a few more years.

Pro-Bowlers are forgotten, Champions are beloved forever, someone needs to tell Marshall that.

TheDave
10-09-2009, 09:36 AM
haha. I thought the same at first.

Same here... I thought oh **** this isn't going to go well.

outdoor_miner
10-09-2009, 09:36 AM
Though I think Marshall is a bit of a head case in this regard, I disagree that it's just money he wants. I truly think he has a deep need to feel appreciated and to be a superstar. Hopefully he can channel that energy the right way, because we have all seen the results when he does.

I agree with you... Although, I believe his agent (or someone else) convinced him that he was severely underpaid, and then Marshall became emotional about it. After looking back on the last few years, I truly don't believe he's a terrible guy (although, he's clearly done some bad things). I think he's an emotional basket-case. He is completely and 100% unable to control his feelings.

What makes me sad about this is that I don't think that's something he can change. I think he will always be battling this, and that giving him a big contract won't fix it. Meaning - as much as I like watching him on the field, at this point, I am rooting that he has a great year, and then we trade him for some serious compensation. I just think he's too much of a risk.

Again - this is not to say that I think he is not valuable to this team. We are clearly better when he is playing well. Nor do I think that he is an awful guy. I just think he can't control his emotions, and that it will eventually bite him in the ass, perhaps on the fields, perhaps off it.

Mr. Elway
10-09-2009, 09:48 AM
The other thing that struck me once again this week, now that Marshall is back in the media (interviewed on Playbook), is how football-smart he seems to be. It's a sign of intelligence and understanding when you can explain something well, and every time I've seen Marshall do that he communicates extremely well. He has explained plays on Denver Broncos Live last year and now again this week on NFLN. He is far from stupid (recent poll on the Mane: Is Marshall smart enough for this offense?).

I have been convinced all offseason despite the drama that Marshall can and will be a top wideout in this league.

Mr. Elway
10-09-2009, 09:57 AM
Isn't that what its all about though?

I mean he's got millions, and I haven't heard any crazy stories about Pacman or Vick levels of largess from him. He's probably pretty well off for life already.

He has the same thing that Chad Johnson has, that need to prove himself an elite player and to have it validated. That is what makes a great player, that constant hunger. Jerry Rice had it and its why he was an elite WR well into his 30's.

The key for Marshall is to not get further down (or even as far down) the flavor clown path than Chad Johnson. He needs to take the Shannon Sharpe route. Showboat some if you want, talk ****, boast, but don't let it cross the line into game situations.

Last week Chad Johnson had to be physically restrained multiple times from taunting Browns fans in Cleveland last week. He's like a starving dog after a bone when its time to celebrate, and he stops being a rational person. Marshall needs to learn that the long term fame and adulation will come when he builds the kind of career that Jerry Rice, Chris Carter, Shannon Sharpe, and Rod Smith had. Years of being a productive winner.

Johnson is going to finish his career with some impressive numbers, but I doubt he ever wins a title or even makes a SB appearance. He'll struggle to make the HOF as a result. Reggie Wayne's great play is like some revelation to ESPN this season now that Harrison is gone, but he's probably going into the HOF if he keeps at his current levels for just a few more years.

Pro-Bowlers are forgotten, Champions are beloved forever, someone needs to tell Marshall that.

He has been fortunate to have former players like Rod try to help him with this, but I think Marshall truly needs a father figure to help him along and exploit his talents to the fullest and stay on the right path. I am highly optimistic after last week that McDaniels, of all people, might turn out to be that person. Marshall is not a thug, he is not lazy, he is not stupid or arrogant. I think he is actually a pretty smart, complex and troubled human being.

PRBronco
10-09-2009, 10:54 AM
First rule of having a good cry: make sure no one's in the room!

That's Crying 101 Brandon, come on!

nickademus
10-09-2009, 11:00 AM
I freaking love Dawk. not only does he make the middle of our backfield a freaking no mans land he convinces recievers on our team to take the diaper off and play. If he were the highest paid player on the team it would be worth every penny!

BroncoDoug
10-09-2009, 11:04 AM
He has been fortunate to have former players like Rod try to help him with this, but I think Marshall truly needs a father figure to help him along and exploit his talents to the fullest and stay on the right path. I am highly optimistic after last week that McDaniels, of all people, might turn out to be that person. Marshall is not a thug, he is not lazy, he is not stupid or arrogant. I think he is actually a pretty smart, complex and troubled human being.

I agree with all of this. I think he is smart enough and talented enough to dominate this league, but he has only himself holding him back. I think the DWill situation messed him up mentaly, as it would most humans. But you're right, he is complex and troubled, hopefully someone can get to him and channel him in the right direction.

BroncoMan4ever
10-09-2009, 11:07 AM
At two million dollars+ per, he still needs to feel "appreciated".........

that is understandable. with his production he is majorly underpaid, and the fact that he was all but relegated to being nothing more than a fan for the majority of that game is understandable that it would get to a guy who loves the game as much as he does.

Sassy
10-09-2009, 11:08 AM
Marshall interview on NFLN 9 am est. tomorrow, I believe.

Man-Goblin
10-09-2009, 11:12 AM
Marshall interview on NFLN 9 am est. tomorrow, I believe.

Is Jamie Dukes going to be there again to laugh and tell him how bad he needs to get out of town?

theAPAOps5
10-09-2009, 11:19 AM
First rule of having a good cry: make sure no one's in the room!

That's Crying 101 Brandon, come on!

LOL Awesome!

misturanderson
10-09-2009, 11:25 AM
I think the DWill situation messed him up mentaly, as it would most humans.
What about that situation should have affected Marshall more than the rest of the team?

rastaman
10-09-2009, 11:39 AM
First rule of having a good cry: make sure no one's in the room!

That's Crying 101 Brandon, come on!

Why do insist on piling on a man when he's down! I mean really dude! Whats with you? Wonder whats your private life is like. Are you dealling with any issues work wise, with relationships or healthwise? Are you under the microscope as a result? How about you laying BMarsh! He's making progress both professionally and personally. You can't relate to Marshall's life and what it takes to be a professional athlete. How about you just take a step back and be the flunky fan you truly are.

Mr. Elway
10-09-2009, 11:40 AM
What about that situation should have affected Marshall more than the rest of the team?

Of course. I also think he must feel some weight of responsibility for that, and certainly some of the fans here have demonized him for it. But the fact is even though Marshall may have mouthed off at the wrong guy it is NOT his fault that a murderous gangsta killed DWill. That's sort of like blaming a rape victim for being a slut and putting herself in that position.

rastaman
10-09-2009, 11:41 AM
LOL Awesome!

PRB is one to talk, he probably cries more often than the average adult male and he's not even a professional football player.

Sassy
10-09-2009, 11:45 AM
Brandon's interview is Sunday at 9 am est,
He's talking about how he would have done things differently if he could go back and change what he did he would.

Broncojef
10-09-2009, 11:50 AM
First rule of having a good cry: make sure no one's in the room!

That's Crying 101 Brandon, come on!

He knew Dawk was there he was hoping for a hug.

TailgateNut
10-09-2009, 12:12 PM
Of course. I also think he must feel some weight of responsibility for that, and certainly some of the fans here have demonized him for it. But the fact is even though Marshall may have mouthed off at the wrong guy it is NOT his fault that a murderous gangsta killed DWill. That's sort of like blaming a rape victim for being a slut and putting herself in that position.

So if you were to start a verbal confrontation in a bar, which ultimately escalates to a brawl during which you friend get killed, you wouldn't feel one iato responsible for the events leading up to the retaliation?

Nice!

Sassy
10-09-2009, 12:16 PM
One also can look at Walker...he's never been the same.

TailgateNut
10-09-2009, 12:22 PM
One also can look at Walker...he's never been the same.

YEP!

Once you've seen someone die a violent death, you'll never be the same again, and if I recall correctly he was also involved in the events which led up to the "drive by". Wasn't he?

rmsanger
10-09-2009, 12:25 PM
I hate his off the field crap... But his play on the field (specifically that catch last weekend) makes up for all of the crap...

TailgateNut
10-09-2009, 12:29 PM
I hate his off the field crap... But his play on the field (specifically that catch last weekend) makes up for all of the crap...



Dis-agree. He has yet to balance his "ATTABOY/AW****" checkbook.:wiggle:

Sassy
10-09-2009, 12:32 PM
YEP!

Once you've seen someone die a violent death, you'll never be the same again, and if I recall correctly he was also involved in the events which led up to the "drive by". Wasn't he?


Javon Walker Breaks Silence About Darrent Williams' Murder
Broncos Wide Receiver Tells Chilling Tale About Williams' Final Moments
Denver Broncos wide receiver Javon Walker says he still has the bloodied shirt from the night teammate Darrent Williams died in his arms in a drive-by shooting on New Year's Day.

In his first public comments about Williams' unsolved death, Walker tells HBO's "Real Sports" in a segment to be aired Tuesday night that he keeps the unlaundered shirt as a reminder of his friend and of the fragility of life.

Interviewer Andrea Kremer asks Walker about showing up to Broncos headquarters about 10 hours after Williams' slaying while still wearing his bloodstained clothes.


"I still have those clothes," Walker replied.

Asked why he hadn't washed them, he said, "It's just something that reminds me every day of what could happen and this is what happened to my friend. And this is like ... what's left of him is on my clothes."

Walker told reporters on Saturday that the interview with Kremer was the only time he planned on talking publicly about the Williams' slaying.

Williams, 24, was a rising star who had just completed his second season in the NFL when the stretch limousine he was riding in was sprayed with bullets after leaving a nightclub in downtown Denver where there had been an altercation between people in Williams' group and suspected gang members.

No charges have been filed in the case, although police believe several men in custody on federal drug charges have information about Williams' slaying.

"Real Sports" said another Broncos receiver, Brandon Marshall, and his cousin were partying with Williams' group that night and began spraying champagne around, "some of which hit a club patron and his friend, who confronted Williams and his entourage."

Those men flashed gang signs and were escorted out of the club, said members of a rap group from Williams' hometown of Fort Worth, Texas, who were with him that night.

Walker said he didn't see the encounter inside the club but saw trouble brewing when he left the club at closing time. Marshall and his cousin were exchanging heated words with two men, he said. The rappers said it was the same men who had been kicked out of the club earlier that night.

After Williams and Walker both tried to intervene, Williams told Walker to ride with him in his Hummer limousine, and they drove off into the night, Walker said.

Less than a mile away, Walker said he was turning up the music when Williams suddenly fell into his lap.

Walker said he pushed Williams away and told him to quit messing around -- and that's when he saw blood spurting from Williams' neck and heard the other gunshots.

Walker said he held Williams close and tried to stop the bleeding.

"All I remember at that point in time was he was just looking up at me and I was just like, 'I got you, Dee, I got you, Dee. I got you, Dee,'" Walker recounted. "So, the limo went off the road into the side of the snow. I just remember grabbing him, pulling him out the limo."

Walker said he didn't know if he should run with Williams and worried if "these dudes were going to try to finish us off?"

"You don't know what to think," Walker said, "to have somebody die in your arms and you know you're the last person he hugged."

Walker said he didn't attend Williams' funeral in Fort Worth with the rest of the Broncos "because all it was going to do was just bring back memories of something I didn't want to feel again."

He said it had been hard enough when the Broncos held a private memorial service at team headquarters and he didn't know what to tell Williams' mother, Rosalind Williams, as she hugged him.

Instead, Walker went to Las Vegas, fearful, he said, for his own life in case the shooter wanted to "finish everyone off" who was in the limo.

Walker, who joined the Broncos in a draft day trade from Green Bay last year, said at first he didn't want to keep playing in Denver.

He said he doesn't need any grief counseling but acknowledged he'll probably never put the tragedy behind him: "Maybe when I see him in heaven, I can ask him, maybe put it behind me then."

Coming off a torn knee ligament that wiped out most of his 2005 season, Walker piled up 1,084 yards and eight touchdowns on 69 catches last year.

He's had a stellar training camp and has steadfastly refused to talk about anything other than football. He told The AP on Saturday that last year was just of glimpse of what he can do on the field.

"Obviously, last year I was coming in and trying to rehab and learn the offense and get familiar with my teammates. This year, is just boom, full-speed, all-go ahead," he said. "I feel good. I'm healthy. Nothing's wrong. And I'm ready to take off from a fast start."


Previous Story:
•August 1, 2007: Javon Walker Breaks Silence

Broncoman13
10-09-2009, 12:35 PM
Isn't that what its all about though?

I mean he's got millions, and I haven't heard any crazy stories about Pacman or Vick levels of largess from him. He's probably pretty well off for life already.

He has the same thing that Chad Johnson has, that need to prove himself an elite player and to have it validated. That is what makes a great player, that constant hunger. Jerry Rice had it and its why he was an elite WR well into his 30's.

The key for Marshall is to not get further down (or even as far down) the flavor clown path than Chad Johnson. He needs to take the Shannon Sharpe route. Showboat some if you want, talk ****, boast, but don't let it cross the line into game situations.



Last week Chad Johnson had to be physically restrained multiple times from taunting Browns fans in Cleveland last week. He's like a starving dog after a bone when its time to celebrate, and he stops being a rational person. Marshall needs to learn that the long term fame and adulation will come when he builds the kind of career that Jerry Rice, Chris Carter, Shannon Sharpe, and Rod Smith had. Years of being a productive winner.

Johnson is going to finish his career with some impressive numbers, but I doubt he ever wins a title or even makes a SB appearance. He'll struggle to make the HOF as a result. Reggie Wayne's great play is like some revelation to ESPN this season now that Harrison is gone, but he's probably going into the HOF if he keeps at his current levels for just a few more years.

Pro-Bowlers are forgotten, Champions are beloved forever, someone needs to tell Marshall that.

Good Post as usual.

Mr. Elway
10-09-2009, 12:36 PM
So if you were to start a verbal confrontation in a bar, which ultimately escalates to a brawl during which you friend get killed, you wouldn't feel one iato responsible for the events leading up to the retaliation?

Nice!

I think you missed my point. Of course I would feel responsible, as I'm sure he does. But it's not his fault that a guy is a murderer. Also we don't know that Marshall started anything. What Walker said was Marshall accidentally sprayed them with champagne, and then later he was arguing with them.

You never talked back to someone at a bar? What if someone started giving a friend or cousin of yours crap? Reacting badly and arguing, even fighting, does not make you responsible for a murder someone else committed.

NYBronco
10-11-2009, 09:17 AM
The interview will be playing during the noon eastern time NFL Gameday segment. At this time 12:16 eastern it has not been aired.

baja
10-11-2009, 09:42 AM
Same here... I thought oh **** this isn't going to go well.

It's all in the tone of voice and body language. ;D