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broncobum6162
10-07-2009, 11:07 AM
Just heard Brian Billick, Solomon Wilcotts and Mike Mayock discussing the roughing the passer penalties on Tom Brady Sunday. Mayock came down pretty hard on how he too thinks there are a set a rules for Tom and then
there are other quarterbacks. He said there should have been no penalty for the sidestep he made and that if you are gonna make Brady wear a skirt the same rule should apply to other QBs. He then showed the high-low hit on Joe Flacco in the same game where no penalty was called. I looked for a video on this discussion but here is another video on this same subject on Total Access.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d813307d4/Roughing-the-passer

You decide, but I really think this will be one of the deciding factors on Sunday as to who wins or loses the game. I guess I'll go on the record and say that we will be guilty of at least 2 roughing the passer calls on Brady that are very questionable. Brady's treatment w/ kid gloves by the NFL reminds me so much of Michael Jordon's treatment by officials in his last years as an NBA superstar. All someone would have to do is sneeze in front of MJ and he was called for a foul. Really suck that the NFL has come to this, its my number on b**** w/ the league on how they have went too far on protecting QB's and other superstars.

Man-Goblin
10-07-2009, 11:11 AM
Maybe the Broncos are going to be lucky in the fact that they're getting him the game after such an uproar was made about him acting like such a little, whiny bitch.

Broncomutt
10-07-2009, 11:14 AM
I agree, I think it will be a factor as well. The defense bailed us out last week while the offensive was busy shooting itself in the foot and then reloading for another go.

A couple of these drive prolonging calls could really take the wind out of the defenses sails.

I'd like to think I'm not making excuses ahead of time, I am prepared to deal with it if it happens. But it is a very REAL concern for me personally leading up to this game.

But, then again, maybe we'll get Hochuli.:egbgb:

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 11:15 AM
Does anyone have the FULL video of Brady getting "brushed" below the knees? I'd be interested to see if that Pats O lineman forced the Ravens player to the ground.


I think Brady needs to grow the **** up! This is a VIOLENT sport, where collisions happen EVERY play, to when you start "demanding" flags because an opponent almost hit you in the legs ... that makes you a whiney little bitch, in the middle of a war-zone!!

v2micca
10-07-2009, 11:15 AM
That is what I was thinking. The league is actually pretty sensitive to any wide spread criticism. And there has been a lot of backlash this week from the NFL fan base over the treatment that Brady seems to be getting. I mean, even Bill Simmons, who typically swings from Brady's nutsack, couldn't defend him this past week.

broncobum6162
10-07-2009, 11:15 AM
Maybe the Broncos are going to be lucky in the fact that they're getting him the game after such an uproar was made about him acting like such a little, whiny b****.

Hope your right. Its pretty bad when you have 2 separate round tables on this subject on the NFL's own channel. With the pressure we have been able to bring on the QB this year I think its inevitable unless they start treating Brady like a man playing football in the big time instead of a sissy in Pop Warner.

The Joker
10-07-2009, 11:18 AM
They need to introduce a rule that stops guys asking for flags.

Brady begging for a flag when Suggs barely brushed against him was absolutely pathetic, then the fist pump celebration was even worse.

Asking for a flag should be deemed 'Unsportsmanlike Conduct' and result in a 15 yard penalty.

We most certainly don't wanna go down the same road soccer has.

Just let the officials do their job and the players play ball.

BroncoMan4ever
10-07-2009, 11:19 AM
i would be willing to bet that Doom is going to get called for roughing the passer this weekend.

these are reasons i don't see Brady as this great QB that the world believes him to be. how can you be great when the league sets up new rules to protect only you? tuck rule, can't breath around him while you can drive almost any other QB through the turf.
plus the fact that a guy who was a career backup including in college replicated his success on the field.

i understand protecting the signal callers because they are the most important guys on the field, but it is getting to the point where if he is touched he gets a call from the ref.

broncobum6162
10-07-2009, 11:19 AM
Does anyone have the FULL video of Brady getting "brushed" below the knees? I'd be interested to see if that Pats O lineman forced the Ravens player to the ground.


I think Brady needs to grow the **** up! This is a VIOLENT sport, where collisions happen EVERY play, to when you start "demanding" flags because an opponent almost hit you in the legs ... that makes you a whiney little b****, in the middle of a war-zone!!

I was trying to find that very discussion on video, maybe its too soon yet and not on the NFLN website. I'll keep checking. They very clearly showed the hits on Tom Brady and Joe Flacco. This discussion was the most anti-Brady treatment opinion I've heard yet.

BroncoMan4ever
10-07-2009, 11:21 AM
Does anyone have the FULL video of Brady getting "brushed" below the knees? I'd be interested to see if that Pats O lineman forced the Ravens player to the ground.


I think Brady needs to grow the **** up! This is a VIOLENT sport, where collisions happen EVERY play, to when you start "demanding" flags because an opponent almost hit you in the legs ... that makes you a whiney little b****, in the middle of a war-zone!!

he is wearing pads, and i believe if you play in the NFL and have some pads on, you can get hit. the NFL is getting to the point where certain QBs are going to wear the red jersey during games.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 11:25 AM
I was trying to find that very discussion on video, maybe its too soon yet and not on the NFLN website. I'll keep checking. They very clearly showed the hits on Tom Brady and Joe Flacco. This discussion was the most anti-Brady treatment opinion I've heard yet.
It's a different issue, but I have absolute HATRED for these "3 second" clips of incidents during games. You need the FULL play (maybe even another angle too?) to see what really happened, incase someone did something untoward that caused it all!
IMO, the Ravens know that Brady is "NFL protected" so I don't think anyone is going to "go low" on him unless they are forced to (held/dragged) by an opponent.

meangene
10-07-2009, 11:25 AM
I'm glad we are getting them the week after all the controversy. Maybe we will get one or two less roughing the passer calls than we would have. Remember the playoff game here a few years back where we blitzed the hell out of him and he whined and cried on every play? Damn, I hope we just tee off like that this week!

barryr
10-07-2009, 11:27 AM
Protecting the QB is one thing, but you have to allow defenders to play too.

Smiling Assassin27
10-07-2009, 11:29 AM
My idea would be to let the Pats hit Orton early and often in hopes of getting a few roughing penalties of our own...er, out....

Mr. Elway
10-07-2009, 11:30 AM
My take is that everyone knows this was a bad call by the ref. They happen all the time, and the league generally makes an effort to look at those calls and adjust as needed. It's like the Hochuli call last year.

I think because of the media attention, they will call it fairer for us next week when Doom and Ayers knock Brady down multiple times :)

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 11:33 AM
I hope things start looking up for tom this week ...








































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Looking up THIS way!! LOL

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-07-2009, 11:39 AM
I found it very interesting that the league is not fining the Ravens for their comments after the game. Generally this is viewed as the league agreeing with what was said.

Tom Terrific better bring his big girl britches.

Garcia Bronco
10-07-2009, 11:50 AM
It doesn't matter because we are going to hit him high because he's rarely going to find anyone open.

atomicbloke
10-07-2009, 11:53 AM
More than roughing the passer, I am worried about the phantom PI calls we'll get, both on O and D.

broncobum6162
10-07-2009, 11:59 AM
I found it very interesting that the league is not fining the Ravens for their comments after the game. Generally this is viewed as the league agreeing with what was said.

I was thinking about the same thing too. After the way Lewis and Suggs went off on camera about the referee's bad calls, I was expecting a fine too. That's a big NoNo in the NFL. According to the front office, the referees are beyond reproach and therefore not subject to any criticicism by the players they screw when they make a bad call. If they don't fine them, evidently they may think there is something to their b****ing. I hope!:thumbsup:

BroncoFanatic
10-07-2009, 12:03 PM
They need to introduce a rule that stops guys asking for flags.

Brady begging for a flag when Suggs barely brushed against him was absolutely pathetic, then the fist pump celebration was even worse.

Asking for a flag should be deemed 'Unsportsmanlike Conduct' and result in a 15 yard penalty.

+1000

I hate that crap, even when our guys do it

Anaximines
10-07-2009, 12:14 PM
Maybe the Broncos are going to be lucky in the fact that they're getting him the game after such an uproar was made about him acting like such a little, whiny b****.

Exactly, I think this is great timing for us

broncofan2438
10-07-2009, 12:21 PM
Whip is ass Dooooom!!!!

lex
10-07-2009, 12:35 PM
They need to introduce a rule that stops guys asking for flags.

Brady begging for a flag when Suggs barely brushed against him was absolutely pathetic, then the fist pump celebration was even worse.

Asking for a flag should be deemed 'Unsportsmanlike Conduct' and result in a 15 yard penalty.

We most certainly don't wanna go down the same road soccer has.

Just let the officials do their job and the players play ball.

Like in soccer where you can get carded for flopping?

lex
10-07-2009, 12:45 PM
Anyone remember the regular season game against NE in 2005? We jumped out to a big lead. We partly did it because they were able to put a lot of pressure on Brady. They were really knocking him around. And then suddenly you started seeing defensive linemen break free only to suddenly be held back as if by some kind of magic. But it wasnt some kind of magic, it was because NE resorted to holding. They were doing it left and right. I counted at least 3 times that DLinemen broke through only to magically be held back. The refs swallowed their whistles to protect Brady and as a result the game ended up being much closer than it ever should have been.

Id like to believe the common sentiment that theyll let them play but this stuff has been happening for so long, it might not be possible to even things out.

cutthemdown
10-07-2009, 12:46 PM
Broncos can't worry about calls. Just come after brady hard and try to put him out of the game. You do that and its over for the Pats.

The other teams qb must go down, and he must go down hard.....

rmsanger
10-07-2009, 12:54 PM
It's a very slippery slope between this type of babying and letting the sport slip down into European Soccer.... Watching the freaking Portugal team in the last world cup they were diving like divas looking for red cards and free kicks.

I hope this sport in whole doesn't become "soft" as I will stop watching it.

Gort
10-07-2009, 01:02 PM
They need to introduce a rule that stops guys asking for flags.

Brady begging for a flag when Suggs barely brushed against him was absolutely pathetic, then the fist pump celebration was even worse.

Asking for a flag should be deemed 'Unsportsmanlike Conduct' and result in a 15 yard penalty.

We most certainly don't wanna go down the same road soccer has.

Just let the officials do their job and the players play ball.

that would be hilarious. can you just see on any incomplete pass, EVERY downfield receiver falling to the ground simultaneously, grabbing their ankles and grimacing in pain. that. would. be. awesome.

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Gort
10-07-2009, 01:06 PM
My take is that everyone knows this was a bad call by the ref. They happen all the time, and the league generally makes an effort to look at those calls and adjust as needed. It's like the Hochuli call last year.

I think because of the media attention, they will call it fairer for us next week when Doom and Ayers knock Brady down multiple times :)

don't worry, the Broncos will still get called for several mysterious holding and PI penalties this week. they always do. at least while the game result is still in doubt, the NE Bradys will get calls to help them sustain drives and the Broncos will get calls against them to kill drives. it always happens when the Broncos go up against the ESPN/CBS/Fox glamour teams like the Giants, Pats, Steelers, etc.

oubronco
10-07-2009, 01:08 PM
Does anyone have the FULL video of Brady getting "brushed" below the knees? I'd be interested to see if that Pats O lineman forced the Ravens player to the ground.


I think Brady needs to grow the **** up! This is a VIOLENT sport, where collisions happen EVERY play, to when you start "demanding" flags because an opponent almost hit you in the legs ... that makes you a whiney little b****, in the middle of a war-zone!!

He was pushed to the side of him he barely brushed his leg

broncobum6162
10-07-2009, 01:17 PM
He was pushed to the side of him he barely brushed his leg

Brady also sidestepped him.

Also, while we're on this subject, who was the DB who got flagged for leading w/ his head on a hit on a WR. He clearly led and made contact w/ his shoulder.
Another bogus call that drives me wild. I think it was either on Sunday or Monday nite. John Lynch was famous for getting that call. My question is,
"If your head is on top of your shoulders and you are trying to lay a shoulder hit on a reciever or back, how can you not LEAD W/ YOUR HEAD!" Your head will always be in front of your shoulders technically. They could make that every time if they wanted to.

UPDATE ON MIKE MAYOCK'S COMMENTS -PLAYBOOK WILL BE BACK ON NFLN @ 6 PM EASTERN TIME Watch it!

tsiguy96
10-07-2009, 01:22 PM
outside the lines talked about this, showing a lot of other hits that didnt draw a flag, but if you even look in bradys direction you get a flag. pat fans are convinced suggs dived at toms knees. clearly they arent watching the play.

Jason in LA
10-07-2009, 01:46 PM
They need to introduce a rule that stops guys asking for flags.

Brady begging for a flag when Suggs barely brushed against him was absolutely pathetic, then the fist pump celebration was even worse.

Asking for a flag should be deemed 'Unsportsmanlike Conduct' and result in a 15 yard penalty.

We most certainly don't wanna go down the same road soccer has.

Just let the officials do their job and the players play ball.

I agree. It was Brady simply taking advantage of a rule. He's reaction made him look like a spoiled brat.

I'm all for protecting the QB. But they should not make a mockery of the game in doing so.

Jason in LA
10-07-2009, 01:49 PM
Brady also sidestepped him.

Also, while we're on this subject, who was the DB who got flagged for leading w/ his head on a hit on a WR. He clearly led and made contact w/ his shoulder.
Another bogus call that drives me wild. I think it was either on Sunday or Monday nite. John Lynch was famous for getting that call. My question is,
"If your head is on top of your shoulders and you are trying to lay a shoulder hit on a reciever or back, how can you not LEAD W/ YOUR HEAD!" Your head will always be in front of your shoulders technically. They could make that every time if they wanted to.

UPDATE ON MIKE MAYOCK'S COMMENTS -PLAYBOOK WILL BE BACK ON NFLN @ 6 PM EASTERN TIME Watch it!

That was a KC safety hitting a Giants WR. It was clearly a shoulder to shoulder hit. Their helmets never made contact. I always thought the rule was helmet to helmet. Now a DB can't hit a WR to brake up a pass? When did that become the rule? It looked like a perfect hit.

sonsofkraftybob
10-07-2009, 02:09 PM
Just heard Brian Billick, Solomon Wilcotts and Mike Mayock discussing the roughing the passer penalties on Tom Brady Sunday. Mayock came down pretty hard on how he too thinks there are a set a rules for Tom and then
there are other quarterbacks. He said there should have been no penalty for the sidestep he made and that if you are gonna make Brady wear a skirt the same rule should apply to other QBs. He then showed the high-low hit on Joe Flacco in the same game where no penalty was called. I looked for a video on this discussion but here is another video on this same subject on Total Access.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d813307d4/Roughing-the-passer

You decide, but I really think this will be one of the deciding factors on Sunday as to who wins or loses the game. I guess I'll go on the record and say that we will be guilty of at least 2 roughing the passer calls on Brady that are very questionable. Brady's treatment w/ kid gloves by the NFL reminds me so much of Michael Jordon's treatment by officials in his last years as an NBA superstar. All someone would have to do is sneeze in front of MJ and he was called for a foul. Really suck that the NFL has come to this, its my number on b**** w/ the league on how they have went too far on protecting QB's and other superstars.

The pats have has 3 go for them and 3 go against them this year. Whats the point? Cuz you can't see Brady's knees get maliciously taken out for the second year in a row? Boo f'n hoo.

The league has to protect the Brady's, Mannings, Cutlers and Brees' of the league or else cheap shot artists will relegate us to watching the Tavares jacksons, Jamarcus Russels, Trent Edwads' and Kyle Ortons of the league attempt to throw footballs

You don't see Pats fans whining like little girls about this MONSTER hit on Flacco that was 15 yards and $5,000.00

So why are you?

Oh yeah, you are just getting your excuse ready before the game. Always thinking ahead huh?

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 02:14 PM
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The flag was for "almost" hitting someone, it's lame you know it. The fact Brady threatened to CRY for it makes it hilarious though!

Apparently on his drive home, Brady called 911 a dozen times ... "911 HELP, someone ALMOST hit my car!! ... I need an escort! ... WAAAAAAAHHHH!":rofl:

TailgateNut
10-07-2009, 02:14 PM
The pats have has 3 go for them and 3 go against them this year. Whats the point? Cuz you can't see Brady's knees get maliciously taken out for the second year in a row? Boo f'n hoo.

The league has to protect the Brady's, Mannings, Cutlers and Brees' of the league or else cheap shot artists will relegate us to watching the Tavares jacksons, Jamarcus Russels, Trent Edwads' and Kyle Ortons of the league attempt to throw footballs

You don't see Pats fans whining like little girls about this MONSTER hit on Flacco that was 15 yards and $5,000.00

So why are you?

Oh yeah, you are just getting your excuse ready before the game. Always thinking ahead huh?

If Brady wasn't such a dainty little bitch this discussion wouldn't be occuring.

I know he has keep from getting bruises so his modeling career wont suffer.

FYI Football isn't a girlie man sport.

broncobum6162
10-07-2009, 02:26 PM
Your name should be SONOFABIATCH

the pats have has 3 go for them and 3 go against them this year. Whats the point? Cuz you can't see brady's knees get maliciously taken out for the second year in a row? Boo f'n hoo.

The league has to protect the brady's, mannings, cutlers and brees' of the league or else cheap shot artists will relegate us to watching the tavares jacksons, jamarcus russels, trent edwads' and kyle ortons of the league attempt to throw footballs

you don't see pats fans whining like little girls about this monster hit on flacco that was 15 yards and $5,000.00

so why are you?

Oh yeah, you are just getting your excuse ready before the game. Always thinking ahead huh?

Hogan11
10-07-2009, 02:28 PM
They need to introduce a rule that stops guys asking for flags.

Brady begging for a flag when Suggs barely brushed against him was absolutely pathetic, then the fist pump celebration was even worse.

Asking for a flag should be deemed 'Unsportsmanlike Conduct' and result in a 15 yard penalty.

We most certainly don't wanna go down the same road soccer has.

Just let the officials do their job and the players play ball.

I agree 100% and am quite frankly surprised it hasn't come up in a rule change discussion yet.

Anyways, expect at least three roughing the passer calls against Denver because, you know, they have to protect Football Jesus at all costs...the NFL loses wayyyyy too much viewership when it's main star is out of action. He's bigger than the game will ever be!! ::)

Really, those calls were almost enough to revisit the Raiderfan's insane "the NFL is fixed" notion after the tuck rule did them in years ago.....almost.

want2bAbronco2
10-07-2009, 02:34 PM
Its been like this for a few years with brady/Manning. I remeber the regular season game with plummer/manning a few years ago and they hit plummer out of bounds (not just out, but they were past the white line) and nothing, then the next series we hit mannings hand and got called for a late hit.

sisterhellfyre
10-07-2009, 02:49 PM
They need to introduce a rule that stops guys asking for flags.

Brady begging for a flag when Suggs barely brushed against him was absolutely pathetic, then the fist pump celebration was even worse.

Asking for a flag should be deemed 'Unsportsmanlike Conduct' and result in a 15 yard penalty.

We most certainly don't wanna go down the same road soccer has.

Just let the officials do their job and the players play ball.

Ditto!

gunns
10-07-2009, 02:51 PM
I want a game like the AFC divisional playoff we had against the Pats. I have never seen Brady so furious as he was with Lynch. It was hilarious. He's still pouting over the loss they had in week 2. He's the type that talks all "nice" to the media but his temper was showing on the field. If we do get a roughing the passer call I hope it's a true, smash his face in the ground, roughing. And I'd laugh my ass off if that happened and it wasn't called. He will go ballistic.

gunns
10-07-2009, 03:00 PM
The pats have has 3 go for them and 3 go against them this year. Whats the point? Cuz you can't see Brady's knees get maliciously taken out for the second year in a row? Boo f'n hoo.

The league has to protect the Brady's, Mannings, Cutlers and Brees' of the league or else cheap shot artists will relegate us to watching the Tavares jacksons, Jamarcus Russels, Trent Edwads' and Kyle Ortons of the league attempt to throw footballs

You don't see Pats fans whining like little girls about this MONSTER hit on Flacco that was 15 yards and $5,000.00

So why are you?

Oh yeah, you are just getting your excuse ready before the game. Always thinking ahead huh?

No sweetie, Pat fans are known wide and far for their excuses...see the AFC divisional playoff game Pats vs Broncos. They went on for months.

Why wasn't the Flacco hit called during the game when it was 10x more flagrant than any of the farts in the wind against Brady?

And that Orton guy you refer to, he's 4-0 with 5 TD's and 0 INTS. Brady is 3-1, 4 TD's and 2 INTS.

Irish Stout
10-07-2009, 03:04 PM
I don't really care. I don't care if we hit Brady late or we hit right on time, lets just hit the living snot out of him! Seriously, if we get one phantom late hit call, then you might as well deem that every time you're back there with him and he doesn't have the ball that a flag will come - so just hit him anyway.

sonsofkraftybob
10-07-2009, 03:04 PM
Your name should be SONOFABIATCH

Better than BroncoBottom...

sonsofkraftybob
10-07-2009, 03:08 PM
If Brady wasn't such a dainty little b**** this discussion wouldn't be occuring.

I know he has keep from getting bruises so his modeling career wont suffer.

FYI Football isn't a girlie man sport.Ok, Suggs wasn't going for his knees, cuz you know, the Ravens are known as such a classy bunch that would never stoop to the level of intentionally knocking a qb out of a game or stabbing someone.

I wonder which team has the most Roughing the Passer penalties this year? It surely can't be the Ravens.

But neverfear, your defense won't get anywhere near Brady on Sunday unless they have a sharpie and a Brady Rookie Card in their hands, so I don't see any penalties.

gunns
10-07-2009, 03:11 PM
Ok, Suggs wasn't going for his knees, cuz you know, the Ravens are known as such a classy bunch that would never stoop to the level of intentionally knocking a qb out of a game or stabbing someone.

I wonder which team has the most Roughing the Passer penalties this year? It surely can't be the Ravens.

But neverfear, your defense won't get anywhere near Brady on Sunday unless they have a sharpie and a Brady Rookie Card in their hands, so I don't see any penalties.

If the #1 defense won't get near him how come the Ravens did?

Houshyamama
10-07-2009, 03:17 PM
Ok, Suggs wasn't going for his knees, cuz you know, the Ravens are known as such a classy bunch that would never stoop to the level of intentionally knocking a qb out of a game or stabbing someone.

I wonder which team has the most Roughing the Passer penalties this year? It surely can't be the Ravens.

But neverfear, your defense won't get anywhere near Brady on Sunday unless they have a sharpie and a Brady Rookie Card in their hands, so I don't see any penalties.

Brady is a priss and you know it. Just have him take off his pads, change his jersey color to red and we'll stick a couple of flags on him.

gunns
10-07-2009, 03:19 PM
Brady is a priss and you know it. Just have him take off his pads, change his jersey color to red and we'll stick a couple of flags on him.

Keep his pads on his knees.....

Paladin
10-07-2009, 03:30 PM
The issue was more about going for the knees. Remember three years ago (?) when Lynch plasterd Tommy Boy? Tommy Boy doies not like to be hi at all. You do not have to hit him low. In fact, it is better to go for his chest area and try to get his arm. He really, really doesn't like that. Can DJ get a couple more ribs this week?

broncobum6162
10-07-2009, 03:50 PM
Better than BroncoBottom...

This forum is for Bronco Fans and your attempt as a Pat-Riot fan to hijack this thread won't work. Your QB is one of the biggest Pussys of all time and I do hope we knock him into yesterday! Legally! And if you keep it up, I hope we do get a few late hits and knock him out for the year you prick!

baja
10-07-2009, 04:18 PM
One thing is for sure. Josh knows what will get under the skin of Brady and you can count on him using it early and often.

The big advantage in this game is Josh knows the NE personal tendencies but Belichick does not know our players tendencies.

This is going to be a great game

We pull away in the 4th quarter.

TailgateNut
10-07-2009, 04:28 PM
Ok, Suggs wasn't going for his knees, cuz you know, the Ravens are known as such a classy bunch that would never stoop to the level of intentionally knocking a qb out of a game or stabbing someone.

I wonder which team has the most Roughing the Passer penalties this year? It surely can't be the Ravens.

But neverfear, your defense won't get anywhere near Brady on Sunday unless they have a sharpie and a Brady Rookie Card in their hands, so I don't see any penalties.
You are a whiner just like your QB, for whom you obviously have a mancrush.

It's OK.
He is cute and dainty.
I prefer to have a QB who will take his licks and not shed tears nor whine to the refs to get a phantom roughing the pussy call.

If his fragile little body can't take a hit, he should keep his ass off the field.

Archer81
10-07-2009, 04:38 PM
I thought it was silly that the ref originally viewed the play as nothing serious, and only threw the flag in response to Brady's reaction. Bad form, Tommy boy.


:Broncos:

lex
10-07-2009, 04:38 PM
You are a whiner just like your QB, for whom you obviously have a mancrush.

It's OK.
He is cute and dainty.
I prefer to have a QB who will take his licks and not shed tears nor whine to the refs to get a phantom roughing the p***Y call.

If his fragile little body can't take a hit, he should keep his ass off the field.

TailgateOvary likes burly QBs...that wear a patch over their eye.

Archer81
10-07-2009, 04:39 PM
TailgateOvary likes burly QBs...that wear a patch over their eye.


Patch? Pshaw. Patches are for sissys.


:Broncos:

lex
10-07-2009, 04:42 PM
Patch? Pshaw. Patches are for sissys.


:Broncos:

Im not here to judge Ovary and his fantasies.

Archer81
10-07-2009, 04:43 PM
Im not here to judge Ovary and his fantasies.


Your lack of judgement is a JUDGEMENT! JUDGER!



:Broncos:

TailgateNut
10-07-2009, 04:44 PM
Patch? Pshaw. Patches are for sissys.


:Broncos:

I see Lex made another great post.:spit: I've had the douche on ignore since the time he wanted the Broncos to start losing games to get a better draft position.

Captain Bronco
10-07-2009, 04:55 PM
A few thoughts:
1) Tom Brady is a beautiful man. That's probably the one thing we can all agree on.
2) The way the refs sucked up to Brady last week, you'd think he was Gisele right after a photo shoot.
3) This is actually good for us. Remember how Hochuli won that Charger's game for us on the blown call? He hates us now. He's trying to show everyone that we didn't get special treatment. I think the same thing will happen this week with Brady

Bronco Yoda
10-07-2009, 05:08 PM
A few thoughts:
1) Tom Brady is a beautiful man. That's probably the one thing we can all agree on.
2) The way the refs sucked up to Brady last week, you'd think he was Gisele right after a photo shoot.
3) This is actually good for us. Remember how Hochuli won that Charger's game for us on the blown call? He hates us now. He's trying to show everyone that we didn't get special treatment. I think the same thing will happen this week with Brady

Man Law #391 (considering point #1) clearly denounces any and all such public &/or private proclamations for another dude. So I cannot publicly or privately agree on this...:P

Man Law #392
http://ottomann.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/bananananana1.jpg

Man Law #393
Thou shall not covet Jay Cutlers Banana

Bronx33
10-07-2009, 05:17 PM
Just hit brady hard!!! and legal then when he gets up for the next down do it again.

BlaK-Argentina
10-07-2009, 05:18 PM
I hope we send Dawkins to split him in half. Problem solved.

EDIT: BTW I'm not hoping for an injury, as much as I hate Brady. I just hope Dawkins tells him that if he's gonna cry about, he'll come twice as hard the next time.

maher_tyler
10-07-2009, 05:19 PM
I found it very interesting that the league is not fining the Ravens for their comments after the game. Generally this is viewed as the league agreeing with what was said.

Tom Terrific better bring his big girl britches.

I thought it was pretty funny when Suggs said pretty soon the league will be going to 2 hand touch...Ha!

Bronco Yoda
10-07-2009, 05:24 PM
"I hope we send Dawkins to split him in half. Problem solved."

I second this motion...

Hogan11
10-07-2009, 05:25 PM
I thought it was pretty funny when Suggs said pretty soon the league will be going to 2 hand touch...Ha!

It made me physically ill to have to agree with Ray Lewis.....but I did and do.

lex
10-07-2009, 05:25 PM
I see Lex made another great post.:spit: I've had the douche on ignore since the time he wanted the Broncos to start losing games to get a better draft position.

Yeah right. More like a couple of months. Must be lying for a reason.

tsiguy96
10-07-2009, 05:46 PM
its on now. 100% chance that pereira agrees with teh calls. he always, always does.

40yrpatsfan
10-07-2009, 08:35 PM
I thought it was silly that the ref originally viewed the play as nothing serious, and only threw the flag in response to Brady's reaction. Bad form, Tommy boy.


:Broncos:

Here is a link to a video of the play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnmGSMccDuU

The first angle isn't very clear. In the second angle, you can see that Suggs was going for the knee and was in control of himself. If Brady's foot had stayed on the ground, it would have been a direct hit on his knee, which is exactly what the rules forbid. As it was, Suggs hit the knee but it just caused Brady to twist around a bit cause his foot was off the ground.

Brady missed all last season due to a similar play, undergoing surgery to repair 2 ligaments and then 9 months of rehab. Wouldn't you expect any QB coming off surgery from that same type of play to complain to the ref?

I have no idea why the official Winters was so slow to react. He was probably weighing whether the contact was severe enough, but he saw that Suggs could have avoided the low contact so he threw the flag. While it appears from his delay that Brady talked him into it, there's no head official in the NFL who throws flags because a player is asking him to, because they're asking and complaining on every other play.

So another fable about the Patriots starts...

DBroncos4life
10-07-2009, 08:54 PM
Here is a link to a video of the play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnmGSMccDuU

The first angle isn't very clear. In the second angle, you can see that Suggs was going for the knee and was in control of himself. If Brady's foot had stayed on the ground, it would have been a direct hit on his knee, which is exactly what the rules forbid. As it was, Suggs hit the knee but it just caused Brady to twist around a bit cause his foot was off the ground.

Brady missed all last season due to a similar play, undergoing surgery to repair 2 ligaments and then 9 months of rehab. Wouldn't you expect any QB coming off surgery from that same type of play to complain to the ref?

I have no idea why the official Winters was so slow to react. He was probably weighing whether the contact was severe enough, but he saw that Suggs could have avoided the low contact so he threw the flag. While it appears from his delay that Brady talked him into it, there's no head official in the NFL who throws flags because a player is asking him to, because they're asking and complaining on every other play.

So another fable about the Patriots starts...

Wow. Every former NFL player thinks the call was pathetic, but hey they are not Pats fans.

TailgateNut
10-07-2009, 08:59 PM
Here is a link to a video of the play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnmGSMccDuU

The first angle isn't very clear. In the second angle, you can see that Suggs was going for the knee and was in control of himself. If Brady's foot had stayed on the ground, it would have been a direct hit on his knee, which is exactly what the rules forbid. As it was, Suggs hit the knee but it just caused Brady to twist around a bit cause his foot was off the ground.

Brady missed all last season due to a similar play, undergoing surgery to repair 2 ligaments and then 9 months of rehab. Wouldn't you expect any QB coming off surgery from that same type of play to complain to the ref?

I have no idea why the official Winters was so slow to react. He was probably weighing whether the contact was severe enough, but he saw that Suggs could have avoided the low contact so he threw the flag. While it appears from his delay that Brady talked him into it, there's no head official in the NFL who throws flags because a player is asking him to, because they're asking and complaining on every other play.

So another fable about the Patriots starts...


Thanks for the video. it clearly shows him being pushed toward your pansy ass QB.

****ing 40yridiot!

DBroncos4life
10-07-2009, 09:08 PM
The Pats better hope they don't run into the Ravens come playoff time. Ray Lewis is the last guy I would want to have extra motive to hit me harder.

cutthemdown
10-07-2009, 09:21 PM
Here is a link to a video of the play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnmGSMccDuU

The first angle isn't very clear. In the second angle, you can see that Suggs was going for the knee and was in control of himself. If Brady's foot had stayed on the ground, it would have been a direct hit on his knee, which is exactly what the rules forbid. As it was, Suggs hit the knee but it just caused Brady to twist around a bit cause his foot was off the ground.

Brady missed all last season due to a similar play, undergoing surgery to repair 2 ligaments and then 9 months of rehab. Wouldn't you expect any QB coming off surgery from that same type of play to complain to the ref?

I have no idea why the official Winters was so slow to react. He was probably weighing whether the contact was severe enough, but he saw that Suggs could have avoided the low contact so he threw the flag. While it appears from his delay that Brady talked him into it, there's no head official in the NFL who throws flags because a player is asking him to, because they're asking and complaining on every other play.

So another fable about the Patriots starts...

Hmm I don't think that gets called in every game but i can see both sides to the argument. It does sort of look like Suggs wanted to be down by brady's knees to make him worry, but also doesn't look like he was trying to hurt him.

My question is about Raven fans saying there was a similar play on Flacco they didn't call. Can you shed some light on that play? Or enlighten us as to what the Raven fans are talking about?

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-07-2009, 09:51 PM
Here is a link to a video of the play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnmGSMccDuU

Yep, that was clearly a flag for "Attempted illegal groping, below the hemline"!

DBroncos4life
10-07-2009, 10:07 PM
Yep, that was clearly a flag for "Attempted illegal groping, below the hemline"!

Any true fan of football should be sick by that call, but then again that is why everyone knows that Pats fans are a joke.

Archer81
10-07-2009, 10:11 PM
Here is a link to a video of the play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnmGSMccDuU

The first angle isn't very clear. In the second angle, you can see that Suggs was going for the knee and was in control of himself. If Brady's foot had stayed on the ground, it would have been a direct hit on his knee, which is exactly what the rules forbid. As it was, Suggs hit the knee but it just caused Brady to twist around a bit cause his foot was off the ground.

Brady missed all last season due to a similar play, undergoing surgery to repair 2 ligaments and then 9 months of rehab. Wouldn't you expect any QB coming off surgery from that same type of play to complain to the ref?

I have no idea why the official Winters was so slow to react. He was probably weighing whether the contact was severe enough, but he saw that Suggs could have avoided the low contact so he threw the flag. While it appears from his delay that Brady talked him into it, there's no head official in the NFL who throws flags because a player is asking him to, because they're asking and complaining on every other play.

So another fable about the Patriots starts...


He was slow to act because no foul was commited. It took the screaming hysterics of Mr. Giselle to get a flag.

:Broncos:

cutthemdown
10-07-2009, 10:32 PM
Problem is since doom is only 4 foot 4 he comes in naturally at Giselle's knees.

40yrpatsfan
10-08-2009, 06:03 AM
Hmm I don't think that gets called in every game but i can see both sides to the argument. It does sort of look like Suggs wanted to be down by brady's knees to make him worry, but also doesn't look like he was trying to hurt him.

My question is about Raven fans saying there was a similar play on Flacco they didn't call. Can you shed some light on that play? Or enlighten us as to what the Raven fans are talking about?

Thanks for seeing that Suggs deserved the penalty. Nobody can say he was trying to knock out Brady's knee, but if Brady doesn't see him at the last second and get the foot off the ground, he's probably gone for the 2nd straight season.

Flacco was getting hit all day long, including some very hard hits. Both QB's were hit in the head once which drew flags - nothing worth the 15 yards in either case. In my opinion the penalty for touching a QB's helmet has to go. The Pats have been victimized by that gd call more times than I can remember.

The other Flacco hits didn't involve the knees or head, and they weren't late, so they weren't penalties. They were just tough hits. The Ravens fans and players are the biggest talkers and complainers going. It was a true pleasure to beat their sorry asses.

broncobum6162
10-08-2009, 06:29 AM
Hmm I don't think that gets called in every game but i can see both sides to the argument. It does sort of look like Suggs wanted to be down by brady's knees to make him worry, but also doesn't look like he was trying to hurt him.

My question is about Raven fans saying there was a similar play on Flacco they didn't call. Can you shed some light on that play? Or enlighten us as to what the Raven fans are talking about?

They showed this play on Playbook and Flacco was being tackled legally and high from the front. As he was being pushed back, another tackler disengaged from his blocker and hit him low from behind. If nothing else it was a chop block. Flacco's knees were pushed forward as his upper body went backwards to the ground. Mayocks point was, "If your gonna treat Brady like he's wearing a skirt, how can you not call roughing the passer on this play in the same game?"

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-08-2009, 06:30 AM
... but if Brady doesn't see him at the last second and get the foot off the ground, he's probably gone for the 2nd straight season.
So, if a receiver AVOIDS a "possible" helmet to helmet collision from a head hunting safety, the flag should still be thrown?
That's SOFT, you know it.

Beantown Bronco
10-08-2009, 07:14 AM
The other Flacco hits didn't involve the knees or head, and they weren't late, so they weren't penalties. They were just tough hits.

Poor logic there. You do realize that those are not the only scenarios where flags should be thrown......according to the new rules. If a defender lands with his full bodyweight on top of the QB, that is also supposed to be called.

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 07:16 AM
This forum is for Bronco Fans and your attempt as a Pat-Riot fan to hijack this thread won't work. Your QB is one of the biggest p***Ys of all time and I do hope we knock him into yesterday! Legally! And if you keep it up, I hope we do get a few late hits and knock him out for the year you prick!

Of course you are hoping that Brady gets hurt. Wishing injuries upon opposing teams are the hallmarks of the have-nots.

I wouldn't want Rex Orton to get hurt but if he does will Kyle Grossman come in as his back-up?

By the way, the nickname "BroncoBottom" really got you riled up huh? You ever hear of Freud?

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 07:19 AM
If nothing else it was a chop block. "Oh the Irony...

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 07:21 AM
You are a whiner just like your QB, for whom you obviously have a mancrush.

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The funny thing is that Bronco fans are whining about the play that didn't even involve their team lol

Jealousy is a motherfcker!

TailgateNut
10-08-2009, 07:30 AM
The funny thing is that Bronco fans are whining about the play that didn't even involve their team lol

Jealousy is a motherfcker!

No one here is whining. We are just pointing out the favoritism shown by the officials when Brady cries WOLF.

If your QB isn't at 100% and has to worry about a gimp leg, he shouldn't be on the field, and although I do not wish for him to be injured, I DO want our D to knock him into tomorrow.

Beantown Bronco
10-08-2009, 07:32 AM
The funny thing is that Bronco fans are whining about the play that didn't even involve their team lol

Jealousy is a motherfcker!

Jealous of what? Your team's inferior record? The same dust that's on your team's SB trophies that is on our team's?

oubronco
10-08-2009, 07:37 AM
Here is a link to a video of the play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnmGSMccDuU

The first angle isn't very clear. In the second angle, you can see that Suggs was going for the knee and was in control of himself. If Brady's foot had stayed on the ground, it would have been a direct hit on his knee, which is exactly what the rules forbid. As it was, Suggs hit the knee but it just caused Brady to twist around a bit cause his foot was off the ground.

Brady missed all last season due to a similar play, undergoing surgery to repair 2 ligaments and then 9 months of rehab. Wouldn't you expect any QB coming off surgery from that same type of play to complain to the ref?

I have no idea why the official Winters was so slow to react. He was probably weighing whether the contact was severe enough, but he saw that Suggs could have avoided the low contact so he threw the flag. While it appears from his delay that Brady talked him into it, there's no head official in the NFL who throws flags because a player is asking him to, because they're asking and complaining on every other play.

So another fable about the Patriots starts...

as a defender aren't you supposed to take his legs out from under him?

oubronco
10-08-2009, 07:41 AM
they showed this play on playbook and flacco was being tackled legally and high from the front. As he was being pushed back, another tackler disengaged from his blocker and hit him low from behind. If nothing else it was a chop block. Flacco's knees were pushed forward as his upper body went backwards to the ground. Mayocks point was, "if your gonna treat brady like he's wearing a skirt, how can you not call roughing the passer on this play in the same game?"

exactly

BroncoInSkinland
10-08-2009, 07:52 AM
The funny thing is that Bronco fans are whining about the play that didn't even involve their team lol

Jealousy is a motherfcker!

Take a good look at what happens when a team get's overhyped, then the wheels start to come off. It's OK SonsOfKryingBrady, the Ref's will keep your team looking respectable as long as it makes them money...course you might miss the playoffs...like last year.

Hey the '9ers are looking pretty good, why don't you go get a Crabtree Jersey, gotta have backup plans if your a frontrunning fan you know.

TailgateNut
10-08-2009, 07:53 AM
as a defender aren't you supposed to take his legs out from under him?


Not with Brady. The Defense is supposed to rip one of the flags from his belt.

Brady was just upset that someone wanted to look up his skirt.;D

oubronco
10-08-2009, 07:56 AM
Not with Brady. The Defense is supposed to rip one of the flags from his belt.

Brady was just upset that someone wanted to look up his skirt.;D

:spit: :thumbsup:

NYBroncoManiac
10-08-2009, 08:10 AM
Can anyone pick out the real quarterback from these pictures?
http://ftpfalcon.com/test/ya_tittle_large_large.jpg

http://images.sportsbybrooks.com/b/8/b8aa0490dca1a19fc240ebdcba029379_bradyskirt.PNG

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-08-2009, 08:14 AM
I wonder if players from: '85 Bears, 72 Dolphins, Orange Crush, Steel Curtain or the Purple People Eaters, ever did stuff like ...



http://theglam.blogtv.com.mx/img/Image/TheGlam/2007/Dezembro/tom_brady.jpg
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!

TailgateNut
10-08-2009, 08:17 AM
I wonder if players from: '85 Bears, 72 Dolphins, Orange Crush, Steel Curtain or the Purple People Eaters, ever did stuff like ...



http://theglam.blogtv.com.mx/img/Image/TheGlam/2007/Dezembro/tom_brady.jpg
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!

They wouldn't have been allowed in the locker room.

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 08:55 AM
No one here is whining. We are just pointing out the favoritism shown by the officials when Brady cries WOLF.

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To cry "wolf"? That would mean that last year no one purposely dove at his knees to purposely take him out. But that did happen so how can he no be said to "cry wolf"?

You say "pointing out" I say "whining"

Tomato, To-ma-to.

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 09:02 AM
Jealous of what? Your team's inferior record? The same dust that's on your team's SB trophies that is on our team's?

Inferior to what?

Unless I'm mistaken the Pats beat the Broncos last year.

I know it was close and could have gone either way, but the Pats got lucky and squeaked by in a hard fought, highly contested 41-7 game.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-08-2009, 09:04 AM
The funny thing is that Bronco fans are whining about the play that didn't even involve their team lol

Jealousy is a motherfcker!

Are you really this stupid?

It's not jealousy, you moron. It's not wanting to see a similar bull**** call this weekend when OUR team plays the New England Giselles.

Beantown Bronco
10-08-2009, 09:04 AM
Inferior to what?

Unless I'm mistaken the Pats beat the Broncos last year.

I know it was close and could have gone either way, but the Pats got lucky and squeaked by in a hard fought, highly contested 41-7 game.

3-1 to 4-0

God you really are a dumbass. You don't even know what the word "record" means.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-08-2009, 09:05 AM
... That would mean that last year no one purposely dove at his knees to purposely take him out. But that did happen ...
I must have missed the FLAG on that play? ???

C'mon sonofboobs, your panties (and bias) are showing!

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 09:05 AM
Take a good look at what happens when a team get's overhyped, then the wheels start to come off. It's OK SonsOfKryingBrady, the Ref's will keep your team looking respectable as long as it makes them money...course you might miss the playoffs...like last year.

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You really should have more confidence. You would think that a fanbase of a team that is 4-0 wouldn't need pre-packaged, ready made excuses for a game that hasn't been played yet.

I'm sure the Refs were responsible for 41-7 too. A flag here, a missed call there and all of a sudden it was 41-7.

oubronco
10-08-2009, 09:07 AM
To cry "wolf"? That would mean that last year no one purposely dove at his knees to purposely take him out. But that did happen so how can he no be said to "cry wolf"?

You say "pointing out" I say "whining"

Tomato, To-ma-to.

If I remember right he was blocked into him but if I'm wrong please show a clip so we can see

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 09:07 AM
I must have missed the FLAG on that play? ???

C'mon sonofboobs, your panties (and bias) are showing!

Uhmmm, your making my point. Hence, there are flags now when players purposely go after knees.

A year late and a dollar short, but at least they have it right now.

Beantown Bronco
10-08-2009, 09:09 AM
I'm sure the Refs were responsible for 41-7 too. A flag here, a missed call there and all of a sudden it was 41-7.

Keep clinging to a game that happened 12 months ago in which the majority of the damage happened after Champ and Cutler were injured. Has about as much bearing on this weekend's game as the prior two meetings in Gillette. How did those go for the Patsies by the way?

BroncoInSkinland
10-08-2009, 09:11 AM
Inferior to what?

Unless I'm mistaken the Pats beat the Broncos last year.

I know it was close and could have gone either way, but the Pats got lucky and squeaked by in a hard fought, highly contested 41-7 game.

Inferior to 4-0, 3-1 is less than 4-0 you realize...

Maybe not, that might explain why you don't understand the problem with Bradys RTP calls. Other teams have 1 (or more players) hit their QB and still don't get the calls, Brady has 0 players hit him, and gets 15 yards out of the deal. I mean I knew Brady was good at getting the short yardage, I just didn't realize he did it by winning an Emmy. Guess when you are that rusty (or just plain not that good after the injury), you gotta take what you can get.

oubronco
10-08-2009, 09:12 AM
Keep clinging to a game that happened 12 months ago in which the majority of the damage happened after Champ and Cutler were injured. Has about as much bearing on this weekend's game as the prior two meetings in Gillette, CBS, NFL, Stadium. How did those go for the Patsies by the way?

:approve:

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 09:12 AM
If I remember right he was blocked into him but if I'm wrong please show a clip so we can seeYeah, you are wrong. Pollard is on the ground and then jumps right into his knee.


http://ballhype.com/video/tom_brady_left_knee_injury/

TailgateNut
10-08-2009, 09:12 AM
To cry "wolf"? That would mean that last year no one purposely dove at his knees to purposely take him out. But that did happen so how can he no be said to "cry wolf"?

You say "pointing out" I say "whining"

Tomato, To-ma-to.

Purposely dove at his knees to take him out???

Ok DramaQueen. Whatever you say. Hilarious!

Why don't you guys put a 20' diameter hula-hoop around his gay ass, and if/ when someone touches the hoop the refs can call it roughing the passer.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-08-2009, 09:13 AM
Uhmmm, your making my point. Hence, there are flags now when players purposely go after knees.

A year late and a dollar short, but at least they have it right now.
3 things for ya:
1- If the KC hit was "on purpose" there would have been a flag.

2- So a Safety who "goes after" your head, and MISSES should also be flagged?

3- It's not about the flags for getting HIT in the knees (I'm ok with that!), it's the flag that Mr Bundchen CRIES FOR and gets, after he is ALMOST hit in the knees!:egbgb:

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 09:15 AM
Keep clinging to a game that happened 12 months ago in which the majority of the damage happened after Champ and Cutler were injured. Has about as much bearing on this weekend's game as the prior two meetings in Gillette. How did those go for the Patsies by the way?If you guys keep clinging to 1-5 I'll keep clinging to 41-7

What have you done for me lately?

Thank god you guys aren't Raider fans or else I would have to keep hearing about SB 18.

oubronco
10-08-2009, 09:15 AM
Yeah, you are wrong. Pollard is on the ground and then jumps right into his knee.


http://ballhype.com/video/tom_brady_left_knee_injury/

dude you are grasping he grabbed his leg to get him down WITH a blocker on his back it was not a dirty malicous play

BroncoInSkinland
10-08-2009, 09:16 AM
If you guys keep clinging to 1-5 I'll keep clinging to 41-7

What have you done for me lately?

Thank god you guys aren't Raider fans or else I would have to keep hearing about SB 18.

I'd take notes from the Raiders if I were you, they know something about failing dynasties. ;D

Beantown Bronco
10-08-2009, 09:18 AM
What have you done for me lately?


Aside from pointing out that you don't understand the simple concept of win/loss records, you mean?

Tailgater
10-08-2009, 09:18 AM
Hmm I don't think that gets called in every game but i can see both sides to the argument. It does sort of look like Suggs wanted to be down by brady's knees to make him worry, but also doesn't look like he was trying to hurt him.

My question is about Raven fans saying there was a similar play on Flacco they didn't call. Can you shed some light on that play? Or enlighten us as to what the Raven fans are talking about?

I agree that Suggs was intent on getting in his head by going low, not intending on hurting him, but if Brady had not seen him, and his right leg was still planted, he would have been hurt.

The Flacco hit should have been flagged. Ty Warren hit well after the throw, but in the midsection, not in the knees. Clean yet late hit.

Ray Lewis is such a dick. If he was in a helpless position and a player did the same to him, he would be whining about how someone tried to end his career. As to 'he should be hit like any player', wake up Ray! QB's are the most vunerable player on the field at all times. Their job is not to hit someone, nor avoid hits. Their job is to make the play.

ScottXray
10-08-2009, 09:21 AM
To cry "wolf"? That would mean that last year no one purposely dove at his knees to purposely take him out. But that did happen so how can he no be said to "cry wolf"?

You say "pointing out" I say "whining"

Tomato, To-ma-to.


As to the play last year....You need to look at the play from the standpoint of the defender . He lunged from the ground towards Brady trying to make the only play he could.. Brady still had the ball when he started that dive.
The fact that it took Bradys knee out, was simply happenstance, as the defender was just doing what he could to get to Brady. Thinking it was dirty or intentional shows a paranoid mindset....I suppose you think it was a conspiracy by the refs and the league to give some other team a chance last year since NE was clearly SO Much better than the rest of the league that they had to allow this without a penalty.

Also as to the call being one year late....I suppose you think that Carlson Palmer who had his knee taken out in a playoff game a few years ago under almost identical circumstances doesn't rate having a rule change implemented for his injury. But when TB goes down the league changes the rules. THAT is why so many fans think the officials and league favor your
primadonna, over other teams. And it isn't the first time its happened.

The Suggs hit on Brady could have taken out his knee, had it been planted.
It appears from the video that Suggs was losing his balance and falling forward , and he just tried to get any hit on TB. It probably was not intentional to go at the knees, but just where he ended up. The game occurs at high speed, and shyt happens.

The call was a good one , according to the rules, but the EFFECT on the player was not worth the 15 yards that ensued. It extended a drive that gave NE another chance they didn't deserve. TB calling for the foul.....kinda BS, but is exppected by him.

There probably should be rule change such as "Incidental contact with QB's head or lower body.....5 Yards, play over, and NO 1st down." Actual Grabbing helmet or face mask, clubbing the head, or plowing the guy into ground, jumping on his throat etc, = personal foul + 15 yards, 1st down.

The fact is that Brady (and a lot of other ballerinas on the field) do this shyt a lot, but TB almost always gets a call , when a lot of other QBs don't. In that respect, he is a p***Y, and the league DOES favor him. Poster boy for the patriots.

I just hope the media coverage of this crap this week results in a fair and EVENLY called game by the zebras this week. Too many times the refs have killed our drives this year with untimely and (a lot of ) pure BS calls.

Let the players Play!

Oh and change the rule to reflect the game. Stop giving 1st downs for BS..

oubronco
10-08-2009, 09:21 AM
Their job is not to hit someone, nor avoid hits. Their job is to make the play.

They are football players right

Meck77
10-08-2009, 09:22 AM
Ray Lewis is such a dick. If he was in a helpless position and a player did the same to him, he would be whining about how someone tried to end his career. As to 'he should be hit like any player', wake up Ray! QB's are the most vunerable player on the field at all times. Their job is not to hit someone, nor avoid hits. Their job is to make the play.

Tailgater did you not see the plays Ray was referring to? He was barely even touched. They were bogus calls.

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 09:26 AM
I hope this is a close game that is won by phantom RTP call on Brady so I can watch this place spontaeously combust on Monday. lol

But alas, if it was 41-7 last year...I don't think it will come to that. I'd like to say it's gonna be a good game, but we all know that it's gonna be a total blowout.

Lets hope Karma doesn't get Ortons knees...though, it's only Orton. Not like it's Cutler, Manning or Brady.

Tailgater
10-08-2009, 09:26 AM
They are football players right

Yup, and every player has different responsibilities. QBs take hits. Brady sure does - he was hit more than any qb in the nfl in both 2006 and 2007.

I always had a lot more fun being on defense than offense or even qb. Much better to run around hitting people that defending your qb or being hit.

TailgateNut
10-08-2009, 09:30 AM
I agree that Suggs was intent on getting in his head by going low, not intending on hurting him, but if Brady had not seen him, and his right leg was still planted, he would have been hurt.

The Flacco hit should have been flagged. Ty Warren hit well after the throw, but in the midsection, not in the knees. Clean yet late hit.

Ray Lewis is such a dick. If he was in a helpless position and a player did the same to him, he would be whining about how someone tried to end his career. As to 'he should be hit like any player', wake up Ray! QB's are the most vunerable player on the field at all times. Their job is not to hit someone, nor avoid hits. Their job is to make the play.


This isn't the NFFL (National Flag Football League), but I'm sure they have an opening for a Pu$$Y A$$ QB.

Tailgater
10-08-2009, 09:30 AM
Tailgater did you not see the plays Ray was referring to? He was barely even touched. They were bogus calls.

So the flag should only be throw after the qb is knocked out for the season?

The league is trying to get the rule into the defenses head. Suggs intentionally went low on Brady, whether he intended to hit him or not. If Brady was following the pass and did not move, he would have likely have had his right knee torn up. Suggs would have apologized and said 'he never meant to hurt him'. That would make everyone feel better, right?

Tailgater
10-08-2009, 09:31 AM
This isn't the NFFL (National Flag Football League), but I'm sure they have an opening for a Pu$$Y A$$ QB.

Quick! Send in your resume!

TailgateNut
10-08-2009, 09:32 AM
I hope this is a close game that is won by phantom RTP call on Brady so I can watch this place spontaeously combust on Monday. lol

But alas, if it was 41-7 last year...I don't think it will come to that. I'd like to say it's gonna be a good game, but we all know that it's gonna be a total blowout.

Lets hope Karma doesn't get Ortons knees...though, it's only Orton. Not like it's Cutler, Manning or Brady.


Wishing for a bogus call to give you the game. Great fan with high expectations.

**** off!

Tailgater
10-08-2009, 09:33 AM
Wishing for a bogus call to give you the game. Great fan with high expectations.

**** off!

Like the pass interference on Samuels in the 2005 playoffs? Ah, memories!

TailgateNut
10-08-2009, 09:35 AM
I have one thing to say to all of you Cheatriots fans.

TUCK RULE!

oubronco
10-08-2009, 09:35 AM
Man I gotta tell you being happy that your QB is a pansy ass and that bitching and getting pansy ass calls is what being a Pats fan is all about I for one am glad you all live up there in your little kneck of the woods

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 09:36 AM
Aside from pointing out that you don't understand the simple concept of win/loss records, you mean?

Didn't know they gave out trophies after 4 weeks. Thank god you played some crappy teams or else you wouldn't have that lovely 24 carat gold plated pvc trophy you are holding.

Do they give them out after 8 weeks too cuz I want one of them too!

And I would pepperoni pizza for the party too!

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 09:38 AM
I have one thing to say to all of you Cheatriots fans.

TUCK RULE!
Spoken like a true Raider fan.

So this is where they defected too...

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-08-2009, 09:42 AM
Can anyone start a poll on "How close can a defender get to Tom Brady, WITHOUT hitting him, before they draw a flag?"

IMO, I think the league need to make a new "how close is too close" rule! Somewhere in section 3.4.ii.MrBundchen.tears.v2.

Beantown Bronco
10-08-2009, 09:46 AM
Didn't know they gave out trophies after 4 weeks. Thank god you played some crappy teams or else you wouldn't have that lovely 24 carat gold plated pvc trophy you are holding.

Do they give them out after 8 weeks too cuz I want one of them too!

And I would pepperoni pizza for the party too!

Nice spin. Naturally, though, you can't even follow your own chain of thought and have to now change the argument to try to make yourself look good or right in your own eyes. Too bad for you, this isn't Chiefsplanet or some other cesspool of uneducated swine. Here, nobody is buying.

Beantown Bronco
10-08-2009, 09:46 AM
Can anyone start a poll on "How close can a defender get to Tom Brady, WITHOUT hitting him, before they draw a flag?"

IMO, I think the league need to make a new "how close is too close" rule! Somewhere in section 3.4.ii.MrBundchen.tears.v2.

It'll be like the "one yard halo" on punt returns.

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 10:25 AM
change the argument to try to make yourself look good or right in your own eyes. .

So do you guys split the 4-0 trophy with the Giants, Saints, Vikings and Colts or does each team get one of those crackerjack treats?

Beantown Bronco
10-08-2009, 10:28 AM
So do you guys split the 4-0 trophy with the Giants, Saints, Vikings and Colts or does each team get one of those crackerjack treats?

Yawn. At least we didn't try to trademark our record.

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 10:57 AM
Yawn. At least we didn't try to trademark our record.

Good thing cuz the Giants, Saints, Vikings and Colts and about 2,381 other teams would have had a problem with that.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-08-2009, 10:58 AM
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/bretts-pic-bucket/Mr-Bundchen.jpg


:egbgb::egbgb::egbgb::egbgb::egbgb::egbgb::egbgb:: egbgb:

lex
10-08-2009, 11:01 AM
Good thing cuz the Giants, Saints, Vikings and Colts and about 2,381 other teams would have had a problem with that.

No kidding. Funny you bring that up.

broncobum6162
10-08-2009, 11:01 AM
Of course you are hoping that Brady gets hurt. Wishing injuries upon opposing teams are the hallmarks of the have-nots.

I wouldn't want Rex Orton to get hurt but if he does will Kyle Grossman come in as his back-up?

By the way, the nickname "BroncoBottom" really got you riled up huh? You ever hear of Freud?

Actually BroncoBottom is a pretty weak comeback especially since I called you a sonofabiatch. Its the fact that you as an opposing fan have the nerve to come on this board and directly contradict every viewpoint on this topic for no other reason than to be an aassshoole. You don't see me on your boards being a jerk. Only idiots like you are the ones that make us want to see the worst happen to your team. Real fans that can talk objectively I've got no problem with.

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 01:00 PM
Actually BroncoBottom is a pretty weak comeback especially since I called you a sonofabiatch. Its the fact that you as an opposing fan have the nerve to come on this board and directly contradict every viewpoint on this topic for no other reason than to be an aassshoole. You don't see me on your boards being a jerk. Only idiots like you are the ones that make us want to see the worst happen to your team. Real fans that can talk objectively I've got no problem with.

You are a chump. Take some notes on Lex on how to be funny. It's like you are having your period or something. You need to lighten up.

Lets see what I have contradicted lameass. That Brady is a cry baby. That Suggs hit wasn't intentional. That the league needs to let QB's get injured.

As for being an azzhole, if I'm not mistaken you enlarged, bolded, and changed my name to sonofabitch. If you weren't so f'n unoriginal, unlike myself, I would have let it slide. Instead, i called Broncobottom and just so we are clear on what a "bottom" is...put it this way...you aren't doing the pushing. Clear?

I have never been disrespectful on this board and my REP can attest to that. If you want to keep messing with me you do so at your own peril cuz I will own you like a "top" does.

You are out of your league and I have officially taken this thread over so maybe you should beat it out of here and go find some other thread about "Fan ettiqutte" or "Raiturds suck" or something and leave the real smack to the professionals.

Don't let the door hit your labia on the way out

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 01:02 PM
No kidding. Funny you bring that up.

See Broncobottom....now this is humor. Click, paste, save and refer back to it in the future. Consider it a cheat sheet for smack talking wannabe's.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-08-2009, 01:11 PM
... That Suggs hit wasn't intentional. ...
"hit"?
Can you atleast acknowledge that Brady was NOT hit by Suggs? Or are you that much of a homer?

(Definition - Hit: to deal a blow or stroke to: to come against with an impact or collision)

gunns
10-08-2009, 01:15 PM
Here is a link to a video of the play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnmGSMccDuU

The first angle isn't very clear. In the second angle, you can see that Suggs was going for the knee and was in control of himself. If Brady's foot had stayed on the ground, it would have been a direct hit on his knee, which is exactly what the rules forbid. As it was, Suggs hit the knee but it just caused Brady to twist around a bit cause his foot was off the ground.

Brady missed all last season due to a similar play, undergoing surgery to repair 2 ligaments and then 9 months of rehab. Wouldn't you expect any QB coming off surgery from that same type of play to complain to the ref?

I have no idea why the official Winters was so slow to react. He was probably weighing whether the contact was severe enough, but he saw that Suggs could have avoided the low contact so he threw the flag. While it appears from his delay that Brady talked him into it, there's no head official in the NFL who throws flags because a player is asking him to, because they're asking and complaining on every other play.

So another fable about the Patriots starts...

He probably took so long because he thought it looked like he was stumbling from being pushed. If it was in fact severe he'd have made contact with Brady's leg. Personally I like the highlight of Suggs sacking Brady, causing a fumble and the Ravens getting a TD. I bet Tommy was mad as a hornet.

gunns
10-08-2009, 01:19 PM
You are a chump. Take some notes on Lex on how to be funny. It's like you are having your period or something. You need to lighten up.

Lets see what I have contradicted lameass. That Brady is a cry baby. That Suggs hit wasn't intentional. That the league needs to let QB's get injured.

As for being an azzhole, if I'm not mistaken you enlarged, bolded, and changed my name to sonofab****. If you weren't so f'n unoriginal, unlike myself, I would have let it slide. Instead, i called Broncobottom and just so we are clear on what a "bottom" is...put it this way...you aren't doing the pushing. Clear?

I have never been disrespectful on this board and my REP can attest to that. If you want to keep messing with me you do so at your own peril cuz I will own you like a "top" does.

You are out of your league and I have officially taken this thread over so maybe you should beat it out of here and go find some other thread about "Fan ettiqutte" or "Raiturds suck" or something and leave the real smack to the professionals.

Don't let the door hit your labia on the way out

I was with you until you talked about "owning" someone like a top. Generally people that say that, can't and don't. Personally, I haven't seen any professional smack from you yet. Broncobottom, mmmmm, I don't think so.

On second thought I feel like a fool even buying the first part of your argument after rereading this:

Originally Posted by sonsofkraftybob
Of course you are hoping that Brady gets hurt. Wishing injuries upon opposing teams are the hallmarks of the have-nots.

I wouldn't want Rex Orton to get hurt but if he does will Kyle Grossman come in as his back-up?

By the way, the nickname "BroncoBottom" really got you riled up huh? You ever hear of Freud?

Bad, really really bad. Sorry dude, that aint owning anyone but yourself.

sonsofkraftybob
10-08-2009, 01:40 PM
I was with you .And how exactly were you "with me"? lol

BroncoInSkinland
10-08-2009, 01:50 PM
You are out of your league and I have officially taken this thread over

How'd ya do that? Cry to the nearest person wearing a striped shirt until they gave it to you to stop the temper tantrum?

oubronco
10-08-2009, 01:52 PM
[IMG]http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/bretts-pic-bucket/Mr-Bundchen.jpg[/].

Eldorado
10-08-2009, 02:29 PM
.

i like lamp.

broncobum6162
10-08-2009, 04:38 PM
You are a chump. Take some notes on Lex on how to be funny. It's like you are having your period or something. You need to lighten up.

Lets see what I have contradicted lameass. That Brady is a cry baby. That Suggs hit wasn't intentional. That the league needs to let QB's get injured.

As for being an azzhole, if I'm not mistaken you enlarged, bolded, and changed my name to sonofab****. If you weren't so f'n unoriginal, unlike myself, I would have let it slide. Instead, i called Broncobottom and just so we are clear on what a "bottom" is...put it this way...you aren't doing the pushing. Clear?

I have never been disrespectful on this board and my REP can attest to that. If you want to keep messing with me you do so at your own peril cuz I will own you like a "top" does.

You are out of your league and I have officially taken this thread over so maybe you should beat it out of here and go find some other thread about "Fan ettiqutte" or "Raiturds suck" or something and leave the real smack to the professionals.

Don't let the door hit your labia on the way out

Seriously, I wasn't trying to be funny. It don't change the fact you are an arsehole, a sonofabiatch and everything else thrown in. I guess if you think you've taken this thread over its like this. Arseholes are like opinions and everyone has one. Now that is funny:giggle::thumbs:

sonsofkraftybob
10-09-2009, 06:25 AM
Arseholes are like opinions and everyone has one. Now that is funny:giggle::thumbs:

You have to be trying to be this unoriginal. No normal person can possibly as unfunny as you. Did you plagerize a lot in sped class when you were younger? I mean whats next...

"I know you are but what am I?"

"Sticks and stones may break my bones?"

"Why did the chicken cross the road?"

Don't quit your day job when you get one.

BroncoInSkinland
10-09-2009, 06:36 AM
You have to be trying to be this unoriginal.

Sounds like your OC this year, any word on how Bill is coping wth the loss? It looked to me like he got pass happy early on, then tried to switch to a sort of ineffective run based attack. Who's your Rb this week again? Anyway, neither seemed to be particularly effective. I mean I guess you could be happy about squeaking out a game against the Bills, but wow. How the mighty have fallen.

40yrpatsfan
10-09-2009, 06:59 AM
To try to separate a little fact from fiction here:

A lot of posters here are saying that Suggs whiffed, which is not true. He did make contact with Brady's knee - not a hard hit because the foot was off the ground, but enough to spin him around a little. The fact that he made a deliberate run at the knee (vs trying to avoid it, which is the intent of the rule) was icing on the cake. Thus the flag.

It was after Carson Palmer's hit that the low hitting rule was added. It was after Brady's hit last year that they clarified that further regarding players that were already on the ground lunging at the QB's knees, which really didn't apply in the Suggs case.

They are now calling these closely, just like they've been calling minor contact to the QB's helmet for years now. All QB's now get this protection from the refs, not just Tom Brady. I like the knee rul, but I wish they'd lighten up on the incidental contact to the helmet - those are ridiculous.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-09-2009, 07:28 AM
To try to separate a little fact from fiction here:

A lot of posters here are saying that Suggs whiffed, which is not true. He did make contact with Brady's knee - not a hard hit because the foot was off the ground, but enough to spin him around a little. The fact that he made a deliberate run at the knee (vs trying to avoid it, which is the intent of the rule) was icing on the cake. Thus the flag.

It was after Carson Palmer's hit that the low hitting rule was added. It was after Brady's hit last year that they clarified that further regarding players that were already on the ground lunging at the QB's knees, which really didn't apply in the Suggs case.

They are now calling these closely, just like they've been calling minor contact to the QB's helmet for years now. All QB's now get this protection from the refs, not just Tom Brady. I like the knee rul, but I wish they'd lighten up on the incidental contact to the helmet - those are ridiculous.
Still, you can't throw a flag for an "intention to commit a foul" - unless that foul is grounding! ;)

Possibly one of the saddest things I have seen though, was Brady doing the FIST PUMP after the ref threw the flag ... WTF is with that? It really made brady look like a b****.

Anyone remember that regular season Pats @ Denver game back in '05? That was a great day, Al Wilson "violating" brady on multiple occasions, getting him all dirty, making him run the the refs to complain ... Hilarious! My memory is sketchy though, I was at the bar and everyone was buying me beer as we beat up Brady, man do they HATE the Pats in Pittsburgh - my liver has the scars to prove it!!;)

TailgateNut
10-09-2009, 07:43 AM
Still, you can't throw a flag for an "intention to commit a foul" - unless that foul is grounding! ;)

Possibly one of the saddest things I have seen though, was Brady doing the FIST PUMP after the ref threw the flag ... WTF is with that? It really made brady look like a b****.

Anyone remember that regular season Pats @ Denver game back in '05? That was a great day, Al Wilson "violating" brady on multiple occasions, getting him all dirty, making him run the the refs to complain ... Hilarious! My memory is sketchy though, I was at the bar and everyone was buying me beer as we beat up Brady, man do they HATE the Pats in Pittsburgh - my liver has the scars to prove it!!;)

It wasn't a "intent to commit a foul penalty"! Those would have to be called across the board.
It was a "Intent to harm a hair on Marshas' head". The advertisement industry had that one added to the rule book to protect their "modeling assets".:~ohyah!:

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-09-2009, 07:49 AM
The advertisement industry had that one added to the rule book to protect their "modeling assets".:~ohyah!:
Well **** me, I better get into modeling then! There must be some serious $$$ waiting for me if this douche is worth anything!
http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/tombrady.jpg
Hilarious!

TailgateNut
10-09-2009, 07:58 AM
Well **** me, I better get into modeling then! There must be some serious $$$ waiting for me if this douche is worth anything!
http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/tombrady.jpg
Hilarious!


It's all in the make-up.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-09-2009, 08:22 AM
Looks like his "make-up" consists of hoho's and burgers!

40yrpatsfan
10-09-2009, 09:27 AM
Still, you can't throw a flag for an "intention to commit a foul" - unless that foul is grounding! ;)

Possibly one of the saddest things I have seen though, was Brady doing the FIST PUMP after the ref threw the flag ... WTF is with that? It really made brady look like a b****...

The point is that there was contact with the knee, and if you've seen some of the cheap "contact with helmet" calls, it doesn't have to be much.

What looked bad on that play was the ref being slow, Brady complaining to him, then the flag, then the fist pump. I agree that sequence taken out of context looked like Brady talked the guy into it and then celebrated.

But...the refs don't get "talked into" anything out there by players, because the players are asking for calls every other play all year long. Officials are totally immune to a player barking for a call.

TailgateNut
10-09-2009, 09:55 AM
The point is that there was contact with the knee, and if you've seen some of the cheap "contact with helmet" calls, it doesn't have to be much.

What looked bad on that play was the ref being slow, Brady complaining to him, then the flag, then the fist pump. I agree that sequence taken out of context looked like Brady talked the guy into it and then celebrated.

But...the refs don't get "talked into" anything out there by players, because the players are asking for calls every other play all year long. Officials are totally immune to a player barking for a call.


Hilarious!

"Sequence taken out of context??? It was "Plain as day".

Yep! It should have been:
1. Foul is committed
2. Ref's throws flag
3. Brady gets checked for an owie.
4. Medics aplly the soothing PowderPuff Bandaid.
5. Brady pumps his fist.

....and no, ref's are not immune to favoritism. If you believe that you are even more gullible than I initially thought.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-09-2009, 10:24 AM
The point is that there was contact with the knee, and if you've seen some of the cheap "contact with helmet" calls, it doesn't have to be much.

What looked bad on that play was the ref being slow, Brady complaining to him, then the flag, then the fist pump. I agree that sequence taken out of context looked like Brady talked the guy into it and then celebrated.

But...the refs don't get "talked into" anything out there by players, because the players are asking for calls every other play all year long. Officials are totally immune to a player barking for a call.
The ref was SLOW because Brady didn't actually get "hit", he was more "tapped" below the waist. The ref threw the flag for the players "intended" foul, which IMO will have refs around the league brushing up on their "do's and don'ts" of QB roughing penalties.
I have no problem with the ref pausing while he weighs up whether a foul was committed.

Brady's "fist pumping" to celebrate the flag is still hilarious, shows the Patsies what kind of leader they now have at QB.Hilarious!

BroncoInSkinland
10-09-2009, 10:42 AM
Brady's "fist pumping" to celebrate the flag is still hilarious, shows the Patsies what kind of leader they now have at QB.Hilarious!

Hey, take it easy on Tom, if you were out there losing the game and sweating to where your mascara was running, and suddenly one of the Refs stopped one of the big men from messing up your shoes, and told you it was going to be ok, he would give you three whole more tries to throw the ball past those big smelly brutes, and gave you 15 yards just for trying so hard, you would pump your fist too, you might not flip it over and check your manicure afterwards like he did, but you WOULD pump your fist.

sonsofkraftybob
10-09-2009, 11:24 AM
Sounds like your OC this year, any word on how Bill is coping wth the loss? It looked to me like he got pass happy early on, then tried to switch to a sort of ineffective run based attack. Who's your Rb this week again? Anyway, neither seemed to be particularly effective. I mean I guess you could be happy about squeaking out a game against the Bills, but wow. How the mighty have fallen.

Just working on timing so far.

I guess Sammy Morris, Larry maroney (god no), Kevin Faulk and Ben Jarvis green-Ellis who is a fan favorite but hasn't been activated this year.

Didn't sqeak it out, Bills fumbled it away.

The Pats are 3-1 going into the creampuff part of their schedule this week. I know we don't get those snazzy 4-0 trophys but 3-1 is still 3-1.

Any truth to the rumor they are changing the name of this site to PURPLEMANE?

40yrpatsfan
10-09-2009, 11:26 AM
Hey, take it easy on Tom, if you were out there losing the game and sweating to where your mascara was running, and suddenly one of the Refs stopped one of the big men from messing up your shoes, and told you it was going to be ok, he would give you three whole more tries to throw the ball past those big smelly brutes, and gave you 15 yards just for trying so hard, you would pump your fist too, you might not flip it over and check your manicure afterwards like he did, but you WOULD pump your fist.

You guys are funny I'll give you that. We'll see what you think of Brady's toughness Sunday afternoon after he rips the Broncos vaunted D. That'll remind you who's the greatest QB in the game today.

sonsofkraftybob
10-09-2009, 11:28 AM
That'll remind you who's the greatest QB in the game today.

Brady does remind me of Cutler now that you mention it...

missingnumber7
10-09-2009, 01:41 PM
I love how Pats fans get run out of their own message boards and feel the need to get you all worked up over a QB that needs to be protected by officials to do his job. And then you get the director of officials to come out and say that maybe they were a little iffy calls but its all about the discretion of the referee. My favorite part about this week goes back to how last week McD figured out Romos checkdowns...gee I wonder if he might know who Brady likes to check to? Hmm...maybe a little note to all DE's, OLB's and anyone else who might end up in the vicinity of Brady...Hit him in the lack of a manly chest that he has...hit him hard...and don't land on top of him...Hit him with your shoulder...and there will be no flags, no fines and we will live happier...little Tommy won't get hurt, but will be about 10% as effective. Moss will start complaining he's not getting the ball and their inexperienced D will be on the field to long to do anything about our Running game....Moreno left, Buckhalter right, Hillis up the middle...repeat as desired. Game over.q

sonsofkraftybob
10-09-2009, 02:42 PM
I love how Pats fans get run out of their own message boards and feel the need to get you all worked up over a QB that needs to be protected by officials to do his job. And then you get the director of officials to come out and say that maybe they were a little iffy calls but its all about the discretion of the referee. My favorite part about this week goes back to how last week McD figured out Romos checkdowns...gee I wonder if he might know who Brady likes to check to? Hmm...maybe a little note to all DE's, OLB's and anyone else who might end up in the vicinity of Brady...Hit him in the lack of a manly chest that he has...hit him hard...and don't land on top of him...Hit him with your shoulder...and there will be no flags, no fines and we will live happier...little Tommy won't get hurt, but will be about 10% as effective. Moss will start complaining he's not getting the ball and their inexperienced D will be on the field to long to do anything about our Running game....Moreno left, Buckhalter right, Hillis up the middle...repeat as desired. Game over.qIt's called a messageboard. If it were meant for aspiring authors to leave their crappy novels on it...it would be called a bookboard.

GoBroncos DownUnder
10-09-2009, 02:45 PM
You guys are funny I'll give you that. We'll see what you think of Brady's toughness Sunday afternoon after he rips the Broncos vaunted D.
Wow, slow down there grampa, we're only 4 games into the season! At least let us get to week 8 before you go proclaiming our D as the next 85 Bears! ;)

That'll remind you who's the greatest QB in the game today.
WOW, we're playing the Colts this weekend? :rofl:

azbroncfan
10-09-2009, 03:00 PM
My dad can beat up your dad. It was a ticky tacky foul but what do you expect with the leagues poster child. The Raven's always piss and moan too when they lose it is never there fault or give credit for the other team for straight up beating them. I remember something similar on a monday night football game a couple years ago on the Pats undefeated regular season. Ray Lewis crying about officials.

missingnumber7
10-09-2009, 05:15 PM
It's called a messageboard. If it were meant for aspiring authors to leave their crappy novels on it...it would be called a bookboard.

So take your pointless diatribes elsewhere. No one is bying the manure you're spreading.

broncobum6162
10-09-2009, 05:49 PM
The point is that there was contact with the knee, and if you've seen some of the cheap "contact with helmet" calls, it doesn't have to be much.

What looked bad on that play was the ref being slow, Brady complaining to him, then the flag, then the fist pump. I agree that sequence taken out of context looked like Brady talked the guy into it and then celebrated.

But...the refs don't get "talked into" anything out there by players, because the players are asking for calls every other play all year long. Officials are totally immune to a player barking for a call.

You and your buddy are missing the point totally on this thread. It was about Mike Mayock's comments that if Brady is gonna special treatment, why not Joe Flacco and then he went on to show the clip of him being hit behind the knees while being tackled. That is an illegal block if its any other player. Point being made is that Flacco can get clobbered w/ no flag and Brady gets a flag for a near miss. It could be said as well that there was intent to hurt Flacco on the play.

By the way, is anyone else getting PM's that have a URL in it from someone that just joined. Looks like some ill-tempered Pat-riot fans are wanting to spread some viruses. His name is aspirantilikarpict

DivineLegion
10-09-2009, 06:12 PM
More positives about Dooms size...he cant hit a QB to high, because most of them are a foot taller than he is. I like this kid.