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TonyR
10-05-2009, 12:16 PM
Posted by Mike Florio on October 5, 2009 12:48 PM ET

At a time when most league observers are assuming that the 2010 coaching "A" list will consist primarily of men with Super Bowl rings on their fingers, we can't overlook the dynamic that unfolds during every regular season.

In multiple cities, coordinators get hot.

This year, two of the hottest quarter-pole coordinators also are former head coaches.

In New Orleans, Gregg Williams instantly has transformed a previously pathetic Saints defense, triggering over the past two weeks a dramatic shift in the manner in which the team has been winning its football games.

Last year, zero touchdown passes from quarterback Drew Brees in two games would have been presumed to equate to two losses. This year, the Saints still came away with two wins.

As Peter King of SI.com points out, the Saints were 26th in scoring defense last season. To date in 2009, they're seventh.

In Denver, Mike Nolan's defense has allowed only 26 points in four games. Given the quality (or lack thereof) of the roster that he inherited on that side of the ball, the performance is a step above remarkable.

Williams coached the Bills from 2001 through 2003, and Nolan was the man in San Fran from 2005 through seven games of the 2008 season. If they keep it up, they both could get a second chance.

Here's another important angle: Money. With a bad economy, a work stoppage on the horizon, and young (i.e., cheap) coaches doing very well, the salary scale has shifted. So if the Lords of the Rings will be asking for $8 million or more per year, why not consider guys like Williams or Nolan, who'll surely settle for far less?

So, yeah, if the Saints and the Broncos continue to produce surprising results on defense, both of these guys will be in play -- even if they serve only as leverage to get the big-name guys to take a lot less money.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/05/williams-nolan-heading-back-to-the-a-list/

tsiguy96
10-05-2009, 12:17 PM
it will take a few years for nolan to get another gig, but he may get another shot. some guys are just great coordinators though and dont transition to the next level.

Rock Chalk
10-05-2009, 12:19 PM
it will take a few years for nolan to get another gig, but he may get another shot. some guys are just great coordinators though and dont transition to the next level.

Norv Turner for example.

Smiling Assassin27
10-05-2009, 12:31 PM
Marvin Lewis

Wade Phillips

Eric Mangina

Mike Martz

The Joker
10-05-2009, 12:38 PM
Hopefully Nolan is happy just running a defense.

No shame in just being a DC you know, especially when the HC in offense guy.

barryr
10-05-2009, 12:45 PM
I would be surprised to see Nolan get offered an NFL head coaching job soon. Maybe a college coaching job, but usually takes time to get another, especially if you didn't have great success.

jmz313
10-05-2009, 12:49 PM
Nolan is young, he'll get another chance or 2 at a HC job. but it will be a few years from now most likely. Good Cordinators just dont last that long most times.

tsiguy96
10-05-2009, 12:52 PM
I would be surprised to see Nolan get offered an NFL head coaching job soon. Maybe a college coaching job, but usually takes time to get another, especially if you didn't have great success.

tell that to the browns :rofl:

Drunk Monkey
10-05-2009, 12:53 PM
Lets hope McD learns from bellicheat and has the other assistant's learn the DC job. If he continues to coach as well as he is he will get offered a HC job. I just hope we can role in a 35 year old assistant and not miss a beat.

TonyR
10-05-2009, 12:53 PM
I would be surprised to see Nolan get offered an NFL head coaching job soon.

I agree. And the jobs that would open up for him any time soon probably wouldn't be very desirable. Do you think guys like Spagnuolo and Haley are possibly wishing they would have stayed put right about now? The Rams and Chiefs are just awful and neither coach may be around to see success.

BroncoMan4ever
10-05-2009, 01:19 PM
it will take a few years for nolan to get another gig, but he may get another shot. some guys are just great coordinators though and dont transition to the next level.

i worry about that, because if this defense keeps up at this pace and nearly sets records after the last few years of suck, then he is going to at least get some thought as a possible coaching candidate.

jutang
10-05-2009, 03:27 PM
I know I mentioned it earlier that Nolan's poor track record at SF will prevent him from being offered a HC position this off season but if the Broncos win 1 playoff game this year, he definitely deserves it. I would hate to see him leave so quickly.

USMCBladerunner
10-05-2009, 03:53 PM
I agree. And the jobs that would open up for him any time soon probably wouldn't be very desirable. Do you think guys like Spagnuolo and Haley are possibly wishing they would have stayed put right about now? The Rams and Chiefs are just awful and neither coach may be around to see success.

well this may be true, but these coaches are not inevitable victims of circumstance...McDaniels' and Nolan's success with this defense so far may well be coach killers for other teams...

they basically came in and kept Doom, DJ, and Champ, then built the rest of a defense with free agents and some spot play from rookie draft picks and roster left overs...this thing, from a personnel perspective, was put together in a few months, not a few seasons, and given how pathetic Denver was on defense last season, it's pretty mind boggling...of course what's harder to quantify is the quality of coaching these players are getting that's enabling them to succeed as they are, but the precedent is being made that you can pretty much blow it up and build a very good (ridiculously good so far) defense in one offseason, with no big time FA signings, just mid to low level contracts.

Popcorn Sutton
10-05-2009, 03:58 PM
In a perfect world, Shanahan gets 7 million a year next year letting Bowlen off the hook. Bowlen turns around and pays Nolan "Jason Garrett" money to stay a few more years. I hope we can keep him around.

HEAV
10-05-2009, 04:21 PM
I've been a fan of Nolan for many years. I really don't want him to leave Denver. He's just started to turn this defense around, I'd hope he stay the three years and finish what he started.

He may not be cut for headcoach, but as a Def-Cord. Nolan is a great one!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-05-2009, 04:25 PM
I've been a fan of Nolan for many years. I really don't want him to leave Denver. He's just started to turn this defense around, I'd hope he stay the three years and finish what he started.

He may not be cut for headcoach, but as a Def-Cord. Nolan is a great one!

Stranger things have happened. Dick LeBeau has been the Steelers DC for years, after he realized he wasn't cut out for a head job.

Que
10-05-2009, 05:00 PM
Lets hope McD learns from bellicheat and has the other assistant's learn the DC job.

That's Papa Hoodie to you... Didn't you get the memo?

Premier-Ace55
10-05-2009, 05:48 PM
If he does it would be sad but i would be happy for him he would deserve it for what he's doing. I also trust Josh though I belive he would be able to get another good coach in I have heard good things about Tom Martindale also. Plus I still think we could improve with personell you just don't want to lose all the position coaches as well.

tsiguy96
10-05-2009, 05:50 PM
nolan was NOT a good HC in SF, it will take more than 2 years for that to wear away, if he has 2 good years here, i fully expect him to get another shot.

Drek
10-05-2009, 05:57 PM
Stranger things have happened. Dick LeBeau has been the Steelers DC for years, after he realized he wasn't cut out for a head job.

Great example here of a guy who accepted that he was an all world DC but not a very good HC.

I wouldn't be surprised if that is Nolan's mindset as well. His pro coaching career really got its first big start with the Broncos and if I recall he still has ties to Denver. It'd take a pretty sweetheart offer for him to leave I would think, since if it doesn't work out for him there is little chance we'd have his DC job open for him a few years down the road.

baja
10-05-2009, 06:00 PM
Lets hope McD learns from bellicheat and has the other assistant's learn the DC job. If he continues to coach as well as he is he will get offered a HC job. I just hope we can role in a 35 year old assistant and not miss a beat.

This

spdirty
10-05-2009, 07:24 PM
Great potential problem to have. Wish Nolan would just be a Monte Kiffin, Joe Johnson, or Joe Collier type that just likes coaching defense.

BroncoBuff
10-05-2009, 07:41 PM
Marvin Lewis

Wade Phillips

Eric Mangina

Mike Martz

Good list.

Merlin
10-05-2009, 08:12 PM
i worry about that, because if this defense keeps up at this pace and nearly sets records after the last few years of suck, then he is going to at least get some thought as a possible coaching candidate.
Williams got none after his fiasco in Buffalo, despite transforming DC defense when he first arrived. In fact, DC's owner preferred to pay Williams off and not offer him a HCing gig after Gibbs retired. It will take a while before people forget about SF, especially since they they started playing much better a short while after he left.

ZONA
10-05-2009, 09:32 PM
You can never tell. Look how long it took for Kubs to get a HC gig. Look at how long it took Wade to get "another" HC gig after his first with us.