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broncofan7
10-05-2009, 11:14 AM
19th--

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STAT S&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=ALL&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-n=1

We are moving the ball fairly well based upon our 9th overall ranking--but that is due largely to our RUNNING GAME--148 yards per game which is 4th--yet our passing game is only 17th--with Eddie Royal, Marshall, Gaffney, Stokely, Scheffler and the pass catching abilities of Buckhalter and McD's system--that is unacceptable--we know what these players are capable of given a competent QB------After all--wasn't McD an offensive genius? Wasn't the supporting cast going to elevate Orton?

Aikman alluded to our struggles on offense yesterday in the telecast--asking the question--this was the #2 offense in the league last year in yards--yet we struggle to move the ball--the rest of the cast has remained mostly the same--the main difference--Kyle Orton.........And I agree.

55CrushEm
10-05-2009, 11:15 AM
Wow.....only 3 spots lower than all last year. Not bad, considering an entirely new system.

:thumbsup:

skpac1001
10-05-2009, 11:22 AM
Wow.....only 3 spots lower than all last year. Not bad, considering an entirely new system.

:thumbsup:

Don't you get the feeling that this offense will pick up steam each week and be at its best during the homestretch (as opposed to last year)? If we finish up the same in scoring offense as last year I will be very disappointed.

cmhargrove
10-05-2009, 11:23 AM
cheeseburgers are good.

cmhargrove
10-05-2009, 11:23 AM
pizza is pretty good too, but pepperoni isn't really my favorite.

cmhargrove
10-05-2009, 11:24 AM
I'm still in the mood for breakfast, and some eggs benedict would sure hit the spot...

BMarsh615
10-05-2009, 11:24 AM
Say it with me now. PENALTIES

Tombstone RJ
10-05-2009, 11:25 AM
19th--

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STAT S&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=ALL&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-n=1

We are moving the ball fairly well based upon our 9th overall ranking--but that is due largely to our RUNNING GAME--148 yards per game which is 4th--yet our passing game is only 17th--with Eddie Royal, Marshall, Gaffney, Stokely, Scheffler and the pass catching abilities of Buckhalter and McD's system--that is unacceptable--we know what these players are capable of given a competent QB------After all--wasn't McD an offensive genius? Wasn't the supporting cast going to elevate Orton?

Aikman alluded to our struggles on offense yesterday in the telecast--asking the question--this was the #2 offense in the league last year in yards--yet we struggle to move the ball--the rest of the cast has remained mostly the same--the main difference--Kyle Orton.........And I agree.

It takes time for an offense to fully jell (or is it gel, I get confused?). The passing game is a work in progress.

That being said, Moreno need to be running the ball more to the outside. Use Hillis to get the tough inside yards and use Hillis and Jordon late when they have fresh legs.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 11:28 AM
It takes time for an offense to fully jell (or is it gel, I get confused?). The passing game is a work in progress.

That being said, Moreno need to be running the ball more to the outside. Use Hillis to get the tough inside yards and use Hillis and Jordon late when they have fresh legs.

The Buckhalter injury REALLY concerns me--he is SOO dangerous in the passing game in addition to having an fantastic YPC average--hopefully his ankle heels quickly--I have yet to hear a formal report on it--anyone?

DenverBrit
10-05-2009, 11:30 AM
Totally new scheme, new Rb's and coaches and the main difference from last season is Orton??

Well done, Mr "Above Average."

Raidersbane
10-05-2009, 11:30 AM
Don't forget to consider in the fact that our turnovers are way down as opposed to last year. We're not wasting long drives or giving the enemy any freebies.......

MrPeepers
10-05-2009, 11:30 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nfl09.htm

#3 sagarin ratings

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 11:31 AM
Wow.....only 3 spots lower than all last year. Not bad, considering an entirely new system.

:thumbsup:

Umm we averaged 23.1 last year which would put us at tenth this year..........

Broncoman13
10-05-2009, 11:31 AM
You know, it was the perfect time for a good ole food jacking. Sometimes you just don't have the time for a good breakfast. So for me this morning, it was stealing a bowl of Captain Crunch (with Crunch Berries of course). Love them things. ;D

spdirty
10-05-2009, 11:32 AM
19th--

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STAT S&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=ALL&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-n=1

We are moving the ball fairly well based upon our 9th overall ranking--but that is due largely to our RUNNING GAME--148 yards per game which is 4th--yet our passing game is only 17th--with Eddie Royal, Marshall, Gaffney, Stokely, Scheffler and the pass catching abilities of Buckhalter and McD's system--that is unacceptable--we know what these players are capable of given a competent QB------After all--wasn't McD an offensive genius? Wasn't the supporting cast going to elevate Orton?

Aikman alluded to our struggles on offense yesterday in the telecast--asking the question--this was the #2 offense in the league last year in yards--yet we struggle to move the ball--the rest of the cast has remained mostly the same--the main difference--Kyle Orton.........And I agree.

I cant stand the guy either, but he is 4-0 as Broncos starter. Just have to live with him and hope he gets better and be happy that we are 4-0 and hope like hell that he can be 5-0 as our starter.

55CrushEm
10-05-2009, 11:32 AM
Umm we averaged 23.1 last year which would put us at tenth this year..........

Ummmmm......I was referring to the fact we were 16th in scoring last year......3 spot lower so far this year.

Rock Chalk
10-05-2009, 11:33 AM
A great defense trumps a great offense every day of the week.

Dagmar
10-05-2009, 11:33 AM
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Rock Chalk
10-05-2009, 11:34 AM
I cant stand the guy either, but he is 4-0 as Broncos starter. Just have to live with him and hope he gets better and be happy that we are 4-0 and hope like hell that he can be 5-0 as our starter.

Better than 20-29, 2 TDs and 243 yards passing with 0 interceptions and the best 4th quarter QB rating in the league you mean?

Sure, that's great, when he gets better than that Denver will be unstoppable.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 11:35 AM
Totally new scheme, new Rb's and coaches and the main difference from last season is Orton??

Well done, Mr "Above Average."

Give me a break--what were the kool aid drinkers talking about this off-season--Orton struggled because of the poor supporting cast in Chicago--PLUS he has McD now who turned Cassel into the 60 million dollar man! NO ONE figured that we would have the #1 scoring defense in football-and I bet many of you didn't think that Orton would have such a dramatic effect on our pts/ game(-4 points) or passing game(-62 yards)

Tombstone RJ
10-05-2009, 11:36 AM
You know, it was the perfect time for a good ole food jacking. Sometimes you just don't have the time for a good breakfast. So for me this morning, it was stealing a bowl of Captain Crunch (with Crunch Berries of course). Love them things. ;D

If your going to jack a thread, boob jacking is the only real solution. Food jacking just doesn't do it for me...

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 11:39 AM
Totally new scheme, new Rb's and coaches and the main difference from last season is Orton??

Well done, Mr "Above Average."

So what you are REALLY saying is that Nolan is THRICE the teacher and Coach that McD is being that the entirely NEW DEFENSE IS FUNCTIONING AS #1 OVERALL IN SCORING? IS that what you meant to write?

Eldorado
10-05-2009, 11:39 AM
You know, it was the perfect time for a good ole food jacking. Sometimes you just don't have the time for a good breakfast. So for me this morning, it was stealing a bowl of Captain Crunch (with Crunch Berries of course). Love them things. ;D

Fried bacon and cheese?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/421315756_267f4606d9.jpg

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 11:40 AM
Better than 20-29, 2 TDs and 243 yards passing with 0 interceptions and the best 4th quarter QB rating in the league you mean?

Sure, that's great, when he gets better than that Denver will be unstoppable.

Isn't that our goal?

cmhargrove
10-05-2009, 11:40 AM
If your going to jack a thread, boob jacking is the only real solution. Food jacking just doesn't do it for me...

Boobs and food?

spdirty
10-05-2009, 11:44 AM
Better than 20-29, 2 TDs and 243 yards passing with 0 interceptions and the best 4th quarter QB rating in the league you mean?

Sure, that's great, when he gets better than that Denver will be unstoppable.

Hey, Im glad we are 4-0, hope we go 5-0 and more importantly 6-0.

But Orton is not even close to being the reason why we are 4-0. Not even close.

Lets look at every one of those scores if you want to examine Orton.

1st score was a gift from the defense and Orton throwing it, I dont know how Spencer didnt pick that off, but that catch was almost as miraculous as Stokley.

second drive when we were in the redzone on 2nd and 6 he throws it nowhere. 3rd and 6 he calls timeout then comes back after getting coached up and throws a dinker 2 yards short of the first down for the field goal.

3rd drive was all Brandon Marshall being plssed off and not being denied the endzone.

Other than that he did nothing except not turn the ball over. But Ill take it and be happy bout it either way.

Eldorado
10-05-2009, 11:44 AM
hmm.....cake.

http://www.doubleviking.com/hotties/d/705-2/img46cee6331546b.jpg

alkemical
10-05-2009, 11:44 AM
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Merlin
10-05-2009, 11:44 AM
McD is bringing him in brilliantly, just like he did with Cassel last yr. As the yr progresses so will this offense. Unlike some, I don't think that KO is much better than above avg, but with McD, that is all you seem to need. Let him keep on growing in the system. He is doing exactly what is expected of him.

Now there has been some concerns about KO's arm strength and deep passes. I for one have stated that the WR stats will be affected because of KO lack of strength as compare to Cutler, but who cares, as long as the game is being managed in the manner McD does so well.

As to the deep throws, there is absolutely nothing new here. McD must have been aware that the Bears had only 2 passes of 30 yds or more for the whole season last yr, so it obviously was not a concern in his game plan. Once the O is really clicking, the YAC will more than makeup for the lack of deep passes, and BM will make teams respect the "deep pass".

skpac1001
10-05-2009, 11:44 AM
Give me a break--what were the kool aid drinkers talking about this off-season--Orton struggled because of the poor supporting cast in Chicago--PLUS he has McD now who turned Cassel into the 60 million dollar man! NO ONE figured that we would have the #1 scoring defense in football-and I bet many of you didn't think that Orton would have such a dramatic effect on our pts/ game(-4 points) or passing game(-62 yards)

Well he does have six less turnovers then Cutler did by this point last year.
Thanks to Hochuli for keeping that number at six by the way.

Edit: This should say six fumbles or interceptions, I don't know how many fumbles we recovered so it may not be six turnovers. Cutler has another 7 so far this season so at least he is consistent.

DenverBrit
10-05-2009, 11:45 AM
So what you are REALLY saying is that Nolan is THRICE the teacher and Coach that McD is being that the entirely NEW DEFENSE IS FUNCTIONING AS #1 OVERALL IN SCORING? IS that what you meant to write?

No, I meant to write that you're an arrogant douche!

But here, from Peter King:

If Orton continues on his present pace -- 3,624 passing yards, 20 touchdowns, 59 percent passing

It would be logical to think that Orton and the O should keep improving, so that projection might be low.

But you go ahead and keep whining.
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2583599&postcount=1

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 11:45 AM
You know, it was the perfect time for a good ole food jacking. Sometimes you just don't have the time for a good breakfast. So for me this morning, it was stealing a bowl of Captain Crunch (with Crunch Berries of course). Love them things. ;D

OhNoes! a LEGITIMATE and OBJECTIVE THREAD ABOUT OUR OFFENSIVE PRODUCTION and you favor spamming it....and by the looks of you--FOOD is the last thing you need to be thinking about.......

cmhargrove
10-05-2009, 11:45 AM
hmm.....cake.

http://www.doubleviking.com/hotties/d/705-2/img46cee6331546b.jpg

Damn I like cake...

Eldorado
10-05-2009, 11:47 AM
Last try, cmon guys, jack this ****er.

http://images.lovehoney.co.uk/prodimages/340/2560.jpg

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 11:48 AM
hmm.....cake.

http://www.doubleviking.com/hotties/d/705-2/img46cee6331546b.jpg

DAMN. hijack away!

DenverBrit
10-05-2009, 11:49 AM
McD is bringing him in brilliantly, just like he did with Cassel last yr. As the yr progresses so will this offense. Unlike some, I don't think that KO is much better than above avg, but with McD, that is all you seem to need. Let him keep on growing in the system. He is doing exactly what is expected of him.

Now there has been some concerns about KO's arm strength and deep passes. I for one have stated that the WR stats will be affected because of KO lack of strength as compare to Cutler, but who cares, as long as the game is being managed in the manner McD does so well.

As to the deep throws, there is absolutely nothing new here. McD must have been aware that the Bears had only 2 passes of 30 yds or more for the whole season last yr, so it obviously was not a concern in his game plan. Once the O is really clicking, the YAC will more than makeup for the lack of deep passes, and BM will make teams respect the "deep pass".

Exactly! Cassel was familiar with the system, yet it took several games before he settled in.

Orton isn't exciting, but he has a lot of room for improvement as he and the receivers get used to the new scheme.

alkemical
10-05-2009, 11:51 AM
that's only if orton has the ability to really improve.

Popcorn Sutton
10-05-2009, 11:52 AM
19th--

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STAT S&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=ALL&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-n=1


Oh the irony!


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=84264&page=10 (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=84264&page=11)

as soon as you concede that according to the STANDARD for NFL rankings we had the #2 offense in football, only then will I address your hypotheticals..........

For the 100th time--I did not make yards per /game the standard--the NFL does!!!

What is the STANDARD by which offenses are ranked? YARDS. I didn't make that THE standard--I JUST REFERENCED IT. Class dismissed.

Nice try. I stated that we had the #2 offense in football, I was challenged on that fact--and I unequivocally proved my point with the UNBIASED statistical standard. Class dismissed.........

Loser.


According to your flawed logic we have the 9th ranked offense. Period. There is nothing else to say.

Rock Chalk
10-05-2009, 11:52 AM
Hey, Im glad we are 4-0, hope we go 5-0 and more importantly 6-0.

But Orton is not even close to being the reason why we are 4-0. Not even close.

Lets look at every one of those scores if you want to examine Orton.

1st score was a gift from the defense and Orton throwing it, I dont know how Spencer didnt pick that off, but that catch was almost as miraculous as Stokley.

No, that catch is the result of Orton throwing a bullet and Spencer buying the same bull**** you have bought about his "noodle" arm.

second drive when we were in the redzone on 2nd and 6 he throws it nowhere. 3rd and 6 he calls timeout then comes back after getting coached up and throws a dinker 2 yards short of the first down for the field goal.

The play call that went 2 ytards short was a great play call but the Dallas defender came up and made a hell of an open field tackle on Moreno. Fact is, he misses that Tackle, Moreno gets a TD and you STILL will bitch because thats what you do. Dont blame Orton for the play call. It was obviously designed that way.

3rd drive was all Brandon Marshall being plssed off and not being denied the endzone.

No, that was not all Brandon Marshall. He finished the drive but Orton made some great plays earlier in the drive to keep that **** going. 3rd and long, a 12 yard bullet to Royal on the money with a big ass D-lineman in his face to keep the drive going. Does it matter that it was a roughing the passer? Kinda yeah. Orton makes that incomplete, its a 15 yard gain. By completing it it turned into a 27 yard gain. Furthermore, the throw to Brandon was planned. Orton and Brandon both talked about it and Orton said his heart was racing going up to the line and seeing the matchup they wanted. Brandon doesn't score the touchdown, Denver still wins schmuck. The pass itself got us in field goal range AND we had the ball AND there wasn't much time left. Even if Brandon doesn't score and gets tackled immediately, Orton successfully drove the team down and put them in a position to win the game AND prevent Dallas from ever getting the ball back in the first place. Its funny, Brandon bailed out Cutler a ****load of times last year and you never faulted Cutler, but Brandon makes a play for Orton and Orton has nothing to do with anything. Douchebag.

Other than that he did nothing except not turn the ball over. But Ill take it and be happy bout it either way.
You aren't happy about it. You keep calling for Orton to be benched even though he is the best QB in the 4th quarter in the ****ing league. Is it his fault 10 offensive penalties are called on Denver in the first half to really get us out of a funk? **** no but Im sure Denvers lack of offensive output in the first half in your mind is all Orton's fault.

You are just a sad little ****ing hater that is NEVER going to get over the fact that Cutler hates you, hates Denver and wanted to leave.

cmhargrove
10-05-2009, 11:55 AM
hmm.....cake.

http://www.doubleviking.com/hotties/d/705-2/img46cee6331546b.jpg

That's just worth another look. I thought I really liked cookies better, but cake. I mean, how can you say no to cake?

rastaman
10-05-2009, 11:56 AM
19th--

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STAT S&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=ALL&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-n=1

We are moving the ball fairly well based upon our 9th overall ranking--but that is due largely to our RUNNING GAME--148 yards per game which is 4th--yet our passing game is only 17th--with Eddie Royal, Marshall, Gaffney, Stokely, Scheffler and the pass catching abilities of Buckhalter and McD's system--that is unacceptable--we know what these players are capable of given a competent QB------After all--wasn't McD an offensive genius? Wasn't the supporting cast going to elevate Orton?

Aikman alluded to our struggles on offense yesterday in the telecast--asking the question--this was the #2 offense in the league last year in yards--yet we struggle to move the ball--the rest of the cast has remained mostly the same--the main difference--Kyle Orton.........And I agree.

The difference in the change with the 09 Broncos offense is the departure of Cutler, Shanny, and Bates. The WR's now need to adjust to not only Orton, but McD's new schemes as well. In 2010, the WR's should be sync with both McD's schemes and how Orton throws the ball.

jhat01
10-05-2009, 11:59 AM
It's fun to have this conversation being 4-0. It's obvious the offense hasn't put a complete game together yet. The penalties have been bad, and they have to get that fixed, but I don't think you should be down on them right now. BM is becoming a force again, we're running the ball well, and the TE's are making infrequent but important catches. I would like to see Royal work from the slot next week though.

Popcorn Sutton
10-05-2009, 12:00 PM
broncofullofhimeself7:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2584238&postcount=38 (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2584238&postcount=38)


Where are you at now?

jhat01
10-05-2009, 12:00 PM
Oh the irony!


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=84264&page=10 (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=84264&page=11)









Loser.


According to your flawed logic we have the 9th ranked offense. Period. There is nothing else to say.


Ouch...class ****ing dismissed

rastaman
10-05-2009, 12:01 PM
McD is bringing him in brilliantly, just like he did with Cassel last yr. As the yr progresses so will this offense. Unlike some, I don't think that KO is much better than above avg, but with McD, that is all you seem to need. Let him keep on growing in the system. He is doing exactly what is expected of him.

Now there has been some concerns about KO's arm strength and deep passes. I for one have stated that the WR stats will be affected because of KO lack of strength as compare to Cutler, but who cares, as long as the game is being managed in the manner McD does so well.

As to the deep throws, there is absolutely nothing new here. McD must have been aware that the Bears had only 2 passes of 30 yds or more for the whole season last yr, so it obviously was not a concern in his game plan. Once the O is really clicking, the YAC will more than makeup for the lack of deep passes, and BM will make teams respect the "deep pass".

Ummmmmmmmm.......I'm not so sure. However, right now the scenes on the sidelines I see right now McD yelling at KO every time the offense stalls is remenicent of the same exchange btwn Jake and Shanny in 05 and 06.

colonelbeef
10-05-2009, 12:04 PM
Its a valid point.

I don't think you are going to get much feedback after a win over the Cowboys to move to 4-0 though. Wait a few days maybe

Broncos4tw
10-05-2009, 12:06 PM
Well, the good news is that our Defense is really stepping up. The bad news is the day our offense needs to make up for a bad defensive day, we may be in trouble. Orton still is not making a lot of mistakes, but he also is missing wide open receivers, underthrowing, and in general, is playing.. well.. average. He is not that great. I still worry the day he needs to pick up the offense and make something happen.

55CrushEm
10-05-2009, 12:14 PM
Oh the irony!


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=84264&page=10 (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=84264&page=11)









Loser.


According to your flawed logic we have the 9th ranked offense. Period. There is nothing else to say.

I was waiting for someone to point this out to him......too funny.

HAT
10-05-2009, 12:22 PM
and I bet many of you didn't think that Orton would have such a dramatic effect on our pts/ game(-4 points) or passing game(-62 yards)


Since you like to cherry pick stats to prove your various "points".....
(For example, quoting Orton stats while throwing out the Stokely deflection)

I will counter that if you throw out the Cincy game entirely, Denver is averaging 22.33 PPG, less than 1 point down from last year.

Obviously the Cincy game was an anomaly....freshly dislocated finger, #1 WR coming off a suspension, RB coming off of an injury, 1st time these guys were on the field together in a real game, etc.

Time for lunch.....

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broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:27 PM
No, I meant to write that you're an arrogant douche!

But here, from Peter King:



It would be logical to think that Orton and the O should keep improving, so that projection might be low.

But you go ahead and keep whining.
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2583599&postcount=1

Peter King! :rofl: the guy who compared Jay To Bledsoe and Orton to Brady...Good grief....nice stretch

lazarus4444
10-05-2009, 12:27 PM
Boobs and food?

+rep!

BroncoBuff
10-05-2009, 12:31 PM
The passing game has been pretty simple, even rudimentary thus far ... but Kyle has proven himself a pretty damn good low-risk game manager. That's a welcome surprise to me after all those pre-season turnovers ...

Question I have for you bf7 (if that is your real name) is what's wrong with winning with defense and a running game?

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:31 PM
Ouch...class ****ing dismissed

Class dismissed?--more like time for an in school suspension---What was OUR RANKING LAST YEAR? SECOND--2nd we are currently 9th. And no--I won't let you out of ISS early either...........

Dukes
10-05-2009, 12:32 PM
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Orton does kinda remind me of Shane Falco :wiggle:

HAT
10-05-2009, 12:32 PM
Boobs and food?

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DenverBrit
10-05-2009, 12:34 PM
Peter King! :rofl: the guy who compared Jay To Bledsoe and Orton to Brady...Good grief....nice stretch

Do the math. Can you do math??

Nice try at ducking the facts ......again!!

Tombstone RJ
10-05-2009, 12:35 PM
hmm.....cake.

http://www.doubleviking.com/hotties/d/705-2/img46cee6331546b.jpg

Oh my.... oh my, oh my, oh my.... solid, solid take.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:35 PM
Oh the irony!


http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=84264&page=10 (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=84264&page=11)







Loser.


According to your flawed logic we have the 9th ranked offense. Period. There is nothing else to say.

And last year is was SECOND!--it says something about your ability to form an argument when the point you are trying to make is so easily offset by a fact that you carefully chose to OMIT! :rofl:

Eldorado
10-05-2009, 12:37 PM
The passing game has been pretty simple, even rudimentary thus far ... but Kyle has proven himself a pretty damn good low-risk game manager. That's a welcome surprise to me after all those pre-season turnovers ...

Question I have for you bf7 (if that is your real name) is what's wrong with winning with defense and a running game?

My theory is that it's lex and he's created an alter ego so obnoxious and so horrifically full of douchebaggary that lex won't look quite so bad by comparison.




It's working.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:39 PM
The passing game has been pretty simple, even rudimentary thus far ... but Kyle has proven himself a pretty damn good low-risk game manager. That's a welcome surprise to me after all those pre-season turnovers ...

Question I have for you bf7 (if that is your real name) is what's wrong with winning with defense and a running game?

When you have the talent that we do @ WR and TE --settling for 19 points/gm is not being the best that we can be---Orton is the rate limiting factor in our offense.......

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 12:40 PM
My theory is that it's lex and he's created an alter ego so obnoxious and so horrifically full of douchebaggary that lex won't look quite so bad by comparison.




It's working.

Take off your orange tinted lenses......19pts/game will not cut it--especially considering the talent that we had last year and the fact that MANY OF THESE SAME posters were talking about how much we underachieved on O (and I agreed with them)--19pts/game.........NINETEEN POINTS PER GAME.

jhat01
10-05-2009, 12:42 PM
Class dismissed?--more like time for an in school suspension---What was OUR RANKING LAST YEAR? SECOND--2nd we are currently 9th. And no--I won't let you out of ISS early either...........

ahahahahahahahahahahahah So now 9th isn't good enough for you? You are nothing but a hater. JUst admit that you would be happy being 1-3 with the top ranked offense...because rankings win games right? I get that you have to hang on until Orton has a bad game, you can't go back now, so the only thing you can do is press on and keep hoping for his meltdown...

Eldorado
10-05-2009, 12:44 PM
Take off your orange tinted lenses......19pts/game will not cut it--especially considering the talent that we had last year and the fact that MANY OF THESE SAME posters were talking about how much we underachieved on O (and I agreed with them)--19pts/game.........NINETEEN POINTS PER GAME.

I wonder where lex is at. I think I want to hang out with that guy.

Archer81
10-05-2009, 12:45 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2745vg

:Broncos:

DenverBrit
10-05-2009, 12:45 PM
Take off your orange tinted lenses......19pts/game will not cut it--especially considering the talent that we had last year and the fact that MANY OF THESE SAME posters were talking about how much we underachieved on O (and I agreed with them)--19pts/game.........NINETEEN POINTS PER GAME.

Do you think Orton and the Offense will improve as the season progresses??

A simple question, but think carefully, there's a logic trap in there somewhere.

jhat01
10-05-2009, 12:47 PM
And last year is was SECOND!--it says something about your ability to form an argument when the point you are trying to make is so easily offset by a fact that you carefully chose to OMIT! :rofl:

Take a wild guess at who was ranked 21st in offense last year genious? Get these ranking out of your feeble mind for two seconds and look at the team as a whole. There's nothing wrong with managing the game and leaning on your defense.

Popcorn Sutton
10-05-2009, 12:49 PM
And last year is was SECOND!--it says something about your ability to form an argument when the point you are trying to make is so easily offset by a fact that you carefully chose to OMIT! :rofl:

I'm not forming an argument on this particular topic because you are RIDICULOUS to even try to reason with.

However, I OWNED YOU like a mo-fo on the argument I linked to. Class dismissed.

BTW, I am perfectly happy with the 9th ranking when we had a complete turnover in scheme and coaching.

DenverBrit
10-05-2009, 12:52 PM
Take a wild guess at who was ranked 21st in offense last year genious? Get these ranking out of your feeble mind for two seconds and look at the team as a whole. There's nothing wrong with managing the game and leaning on your defense.


You're going to have to give him clues, he's not an "Above Average Fan." Ha!


Hint for BF7. The team went to the SuperBowl.

Archer81
10-05-2009, 12:58 PM
http://tinyurl.com/ye79fx2


:Broncos:

Eldorado
10-05-2009, 12:59 PM
Take a wild guess at who was ranked 21st in offense last year genious? Get these ranking out of your feeble mind for two seconds and look at the team as a whole. There's nothing wrong with managing the game and leaning on your defense.

http://memewatch.com/thelist/archives/pix/morans.jpg

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 01:25 PM
ahahahahahahahahahahahah So now 9th isn't good enough for you? You are nothing but a hater. JUst admit that you would be happy being 1-3 with the top ranked offense...because rankings win games right? I get that you have to hang on until Orton has a bad game, you can't go back now, so the only thing you can do is press on and keep hoping for his meltdown...

Don't you have some crayons to nibble on or maybe some glue to eat?

If that were the case--I would be saying why didn't we address our DEFENSE!

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 01:26 PM
I'm not forming an argument on this particular topic because you are RIDICULOUS to even try to reason with.

However, I OWNED YOU like a mo-fo on the argument I linked to. Class dismissed.

BTW, I am perfectly happy with the 9th ranking when we had a complete turnover in scheme and coaching.

:rofl: tell your psychiatrist that you need your Lithium dose adjusted AGAIN! :rofl:

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 01:29 PM
Take a wild guess at who was ranked 21st in offense last year genious? Get these ranking out of your feeble mind for two seconds and look at the team as a whole. There's nothing wrong with managing the game and leaning on your defense.

PIT: almost 22 points per game with a defense that scored TD's in both the AFCCG and SB.............

Eldorado
10-05-2009, 01:29 PM
:rofl: tell your psychiatrist that you need your Lithium dose adjusted AGAIN! :rofl:

No, you got pwnt. I mean, it wasn't a boom-headshot!!11 pwnt, but you look(ed) like an idiot nonetheless.

DBroncos4life
10-05-2009, 01:33 PM
Is this what Med wanted? People talking football and the thread gets food jacked because we are 4 and 0. How sad. Its a legit question. One has to believe Orton improves when that glove gets off, but till then all the yards and little points is exactly what happened to our O last year.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 01:35 PM
No, you got pwnt. I mean, it wasn't a boom-headshot!!11 pwnt, but you look(ed) like an idiot nonetheless.

:rofl:

Let me connect the dots for your infantile mind.......

He says : didn't you say BF7 that we should rank offense by yards?" AHA! we are 9th not 19th like in scoring!

And I respond with: But we were 2nd last year.......

and you respond with

No, you got pwnt. I mean, it wasn't a boom-headshot!!11 pwnt, but you look(ed) like an idiot nonetheless:rofl:

Rock Chalk
10-05-2009, 01:38 PM
Class dismissed?--more like time for an in school suspension---What was OUR RANKING LAST YEAR? SECOND--2nd we are currently 9th. And no--I won't let you out of ISS early either...........

So, we have the #2 defense and the #9 offense.

Wow, we are ****ing horrible.

Rock Chalk
10-05-2009, 01:39 PM
:rofl:

Let me connect the dots for your infantile mind.......

He says : didn't you say BF7 that we should rank offense by yards?" AHA! we are 9th not 19th like in scoring!

And I respond with: But we were 2nd last year.......

and you respond with

:rofl:

Let me help you out chief.

#2 yardage defnese + #9 yardage offense > #2 yardage offense + #30 yardage defense.

Every day of the effing week.

TailgateNut
10-05-2009, 01:40 PM
So, we have the #2 defense and the #9 offense.

Wow, we are ****ing horrible.


No shiate.

We were in much better shape last year with the #2Choke job offense and a miserable defense.:spit:

Rock Chalk
10-05-2009, 01:41 PM
I do tend to agree with bf7's point on the scoring offense. It does need to improve. First step in doing that is limiting offense drive killing penalties. Second step in doing that is improving red zone offense.

Everything else about the offense is working just fine.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 01:44 PM
Let me help you out chief.

#2 yardage defnese + #9 yardage offense > #2 yardage offense + #30 yardage defense.

Every day of the effing week.

Really Genius?
how about this one:

#2 yardage offense+ #2 yardage defense > #9 yardage offense + #2 yardage defense

God--you bring NOTHING to the table in your argument..............a 3rd grader could have refuted you.......

BroncoFiend
10-05-2009, 01:49 PM
19th--

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STAT S&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=ALL&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-n=1

We are moving the ball fairly well based upon our 9th overall ranking--but that is due largely to our RUNNING GAME--148 yards per game which is 4th--yet our passing game is only 17th--with Eddie Royal, Marshall, Gaffney, Stokely, Scheffler and the pass catching abilities of Buckhalter and McD's system--that is unacceptable--we know what these players are capable of given a competent QB------After all--wasn't McD an offensive genius? Wasn't the supporting cast going to elevate Orton?

Aikman alluded to our struggles on offense yesterday in the telecast--asking the question--this was the #2 offense in the league last year in yards--yet we struggle to move the ball--the rest of the cast has remained mostly the same--the main difference--Kyle Orton.........And I agree.

So much for Orton winning you over...

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 01:50 PM
So much for Orton winning you over...

I had a moment of reflection this morning--right after dropping a deuce after eating my bowl of corn flakes..........

Archer81
10-05-2009, 01:51 PM
Really Genius?
how about this one:

#2 yardage offense+ #2 yardage defense > #9 yardage offense + #2 yardage defense

God--you bring NOTHING to the table in your argument..............a 3rd grader could have refuted you.......


Huh...this point last season we were 3-1 with a humiliating loss to KC...I'll take 4-0 with an offense that will improve over 3-1 with an offense that peaked week one.

:Broncos:

DenverBrit
10-05-2009, 01:51 PM
Really Genius?
how about this one:

#2 yardage offense+ #2 yardage defense > #9 yardage offense + #2 yardage defense

God--you bring NOTHING to the table in your argument..............a 3rd grader could have refuted you.......

I think one just tried. Ha!

Popcorn Sutton
10-05-2009, 02:43 PM
I could only go so long without being the center of attention, regardless if it makes me look like an idiot. I need to feed my narcissism.

^ Agreed.

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 02:52 PM
I think one just tried. Ha!

Some simple even a tree hugging, pot head from Denver can do it! (that is --agree with BF7)

Rock Chalk
10-05-2009, 02:56 PM
Really Genius?
how about this one:

#2 yardage offense+ #2 yardage defense > #9 yardage offense + #2 yardage defense

God--you bring NOTHING to the table in your argument..............a 3rd grader could have refuted you.......

Really? With Cutler we have the #2 ranked offense and probably the #15th ranked defense because Cutler ****s the defense so many times in our own redzone.

You cannot compare what Cutler would do here this year. You just dont ****ing know. The entire dynamic of both units changes dip****.

What you can do is compare last years TEAM with this years TEAM and surmise that this years TEAM, while SLIGHTLY worse on offense is GREATLY better on defense.

So **** you, **** Cutler, take a god damn hike.

cutthemdown
10-05-2009, 03:00 PM
When you defense improves you often play more conservative. No reason to try and take chances when you have confidence in your defense to stop the other team.

To win in playoffs Broncos offense will need to improve.

Also people keep forgetting his playing with his finger all stitched up from an open dislocation. If Favre was playing with that all we would hear is how tough he is.

Orton is hurt, when the glove comes off, he will throw the ball better.

TailgateNut
10-05-2009, 03:00 PM
So **** you, **** Cutler, take a god damn hike.



:thumbsup:

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:14 PM
Really? With Cutler we have the #2 ranked offense and probably the #15th ranked defense because Cutler ****s the defense so many times in our own redzone.

You cannot compare what Cutler would do here this year. You just dont ****ing know. The entire dynamic of both units changes dip****.

What you can do is compare last years TEAM with this years TEAM and surmise that this years TEAM, while SLIGHTLY worse on offense is GREATLY better on defense.

So **** you, **** Cutler, take a god damn hike.

Did the Broncos improve in BOTH pt/gm and yards /gm from 2007 to 2008?

Here is a hint

www.nfl.com

If you pair the #2 offense in the league with the #2 defense THAT teams blows this team off of the field--as Orton's limp arm (like your limp rebuttals) caves in under the pressure of having to keep pace with a Juggernaut (my posts)

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:15 PM
When you defense improves you often play more conservative. No reason to try and take chances when you have confidence in your defense to stop the other team.

To win in playoffs Broncos offense will need to improve.

Also people keep forgetting his playing with his finger all stitched up from an open dislocation. If Favre was playing with that all we would hear is how tough he is.

Orton is hurt, when the glove comes off, he will throw the ball better.

I sincerely hope that this is what is going on......

fontaine
10-05-2009, 03:20 PM
Better than 20-29, 2 TDs and 243 yards passing with 0 interceptions and the best 4th quarter QB rating in the league you mean?

Sure, that's great, when he gets better than that Denver will be unstoppable.

That's it, isn't it? When you look at the big picture, Orton's only had 4 starts in a brand new system and players for him, with an entirely new coaching staff.

He is making small strides every week and at the same time giving Denver a great chance to win by keeping his mistakes down to a minimum.

Everyone looks at Cutler's last year but does anyone remember those awful games he had when he played like a dumb rookie? Yeah Orton struggles at times but it's nothing that can't be fixed without practice and experience in this offense now that he's shown he's got enough zip to make most of the throws.

DenverBrit
10-05-2009, 03:20 PM
Some simple even a tree hugging, pot head from Denver can do it! (that is --agree with BF7)

Make some sense!

broncofan7
10-05-2009, 03:35 PM
Make some sense!

Originally Posted by broncofan7 View Post
So simple even a tree hugging, pot head from Denver can do it! (that is --agree with BF7)

Sorry for the typo--there's no excuse for your ignorance though

cmhargrove
10-05-2009, 03:37 PM
Is this what Med wanted? People talking football and the thread gets food jacked because we are 4 and 0. How sad. Its a legit question. One has to believe Orton improves when that glove gets off, but till then all the yards and little points is exactly what happened to our O last year.

No offense, but seriously - what are you going to do about our offense - attend the coaches meeting and give them your thoughts?

It's not sad because in all honesty, our opinions won't change the situation one iota. Our team is developing a strong running game and a dominating defense. The last time I checked, every analyst in history would point to those two factors as the main things that will propel a team to victories in November and December when they really count.

This season - Broncos football is exciting as I can ever remember. Yet, the sad thing is, some people are still making threads that complain.

That is the sad thing, so maybe let Med speak for himself (if he chooses to).

DBroncos4life
10-05-2009, 03:53 PM
No offense, but seriously - what are you going to do about our offense - attend the coaches meeting and give them your thoughts?

It's not sad because in all honesty, our opinions won't change the situation one iota. Our team is developing a strong running game and a dominating defense. The last time I checked, every analyst in history would point to those two factors as the main things that will propel a team to victories in November and December when they really count.

This season - Broncos football is exciting as I can ever remember. Yet, the sad thing is, some people are still making threads that complain.

That is the sad thing, so maybe let Med speak for himself (if he chooses to).

I don't know. I guess maybe its too much to have a football discussion on this board, regardless of the topic. I guess we should only talk about things we have control over like how much points said team is going to crush us by or what we are going to eat for the day. I already said I think Orton will get better when the glove comes off but he did look off till the 4th quarter. We left points on the field that we may need sometime.

As for Med he already voiced his opinion about the lack of football discussions taking place on the board in the Kaylore thread and good posters leaving because of it.

I guess if you feel that nothing can be improved on then why come in and spam a football topic thread?

jebures
10-05-2009, 04:17 PM
can someone reply to the boo....i mean cake picture again :thumbsup:

DenverBrit
10-05-2009, 04:37 PM
Sorry for the typo--there's no excuse for your ignorance though

Ignorance?? Even with your 'typo' corrected, you make no sense.

WTF are you rambling about??

Archer81
10-05-2009, 04:43 PM
hmm.....cake.

http://www.doubleviking.com/hotties/d/705-2/img46cee6331546b.jpg


Per a posters request.


:Broncos:

Popps
10-05-2009, 05:01 PM
Wow.....only 3 spots lower than all last year. Not bad, considering an entirely new system.

:thumbsup:

Yep. All of the hoopla, and we're scoring about the same, only playing much better in every other capacity.

Plus, we'll be above 19 by the season's end. Wait until the players get comfortable in this system.


Great news.

HAT
10-05-2009, 05:03 PM
The QB has been EXPOSED..........

Dude...We get it. Your man crush on Cutler remains and you are taking it out on Orton. Fine.

The people that are arguing with you aren't saying there isn't room for improvement in the offense. Without a doubt, there is.

But you are so hung up on it being entirely Orton's fault that you can't see the forest through the trees.

Some of it is penalties, some of it is play calling, some of it is Orton's injury/glove. Relax and see how it unfolds over the next few weeks as the offense continues to gel.

I'm not sure if it was in this thread or not but I've seen you b**** plenty about Orton's accuracy vs. your hero's....

Denver is averaging about 29 pass attempts per game. 17/29 is 58.6% (about where Orton is at). 18/29 is 62% (roughly Cutlers career %). 19/29 is 65.5%


If KO is throwing 1-2 balls away per game and not trying to force the issue and continues to put up a goose egg in the INT column...You aren't okay with that?

And don't give me that crap about how he's only at 59% because he's dinking and dunking....His Y/A is higher than Cutler's. In fact here's a list of the only QB's that have a higher Y/A than Orton so far this year. (I know, I know....You will blame the Stokely play and BMarsh's YAC yesterday as inflating this. I've got news for you....every QB gets that benefit at some point or another)

P Manning
Big Ben
E Manning
Rivers
Schaub
Brees
Rodgers
Campbell (Go figure?)

That's it.

I have a feeling you are going to regret this recent diatribe big time once the glove comes off and McD opens up the playbook.

barryr
10-05-2009, 05:19 PM
I'm sorry, but like I posted last week, every time Hillis comes into the game, I expect him to do something stupid and there he was TWICE with penalties on special teams on Sunday. And worse, he even complained about the last one and it was an obvious block in the back, so he just doesn't get it. He just isn't a smart player and is goign to find himself at least, inactive for games if not gone if he keeps this up.

He has already fumbled at the goal line and false started at the goal line this year too. He needs to get with the program.

errand
10-05-2009, 05:34 PM
Well we do rank #1 in the one category that matters...wins 4-0 baby...just win.

snowspot66
10-05-2009, 05:56 PM
I'm sorry, but like I posted last week, every time Hillis comes into the game, I expect him to do something stupid and there he was TWICE with penalties on special teams on Sunday. And worse, he even complained about the last one and it was an obvious block in the back, so he just doesn't get it. He just isn't a smart player and is goign to find himself at least, inactive for games if not gone if he keeps this up.

He has already fumbled at the goal line and false started at the goal line this year too. He needs to get with the program.

Honestly I'm not sure he's a really intelligent guy. He didn't play early last year because he was having trouble with plays and blocking assignments.

And now he's pressing because he's made mistakes. We need to have him involved but we need to work him in slowly. Give him a couple plays each week and work from there. We need the depth and he's a very solid depth RB.

Mr.Meanie
10-05-2009, 06:08 PM
Class dismissed?--more like time for an in school suspension---What was OUR RANKING LAST YEAR? SECOND--2nd we are currently 9th. And no--I won't let you out of ISS early either...........

So we're currently 9th in offense and 1st in Defense and 4-0? And you're complaining?! Unreal.

Mr.Meanie
10-05-2009, 06:15 PM
Did the Broncos improve in BOTH pt/gm and yards /gm from 2007 to 2008?

Here is a hint

www.nfl.com

If you pair the #2 offense in the league with the #2 defense THAT teams blows this team off of the field--as Orton's limp arm (like your limp rebuttals) caves in under the pressure of having to keep pace with a Juggernaut (my posts)

I'm trying to think of any team in modern NFL history that was top 2 in offense AND defense simultaneously. I can't think of one, can you?

The reason why is it's virtually impossible. Like someone else said, when you have a dominant defense you usually grind out TOP and play positionally....leading to lower offensive rankings.

If you're waiting until the Broncos have a #2 offense and #2 defense until you're happy...good luck. You're going to be waiting a long long time.

BroncoBuff
10-05-2009, 06:15 PM
So we're currently 9th in offense and 1st in Defense and 4-0? And you're complaining?! Unreal.

Well, notwithstanding his d!ckishness, we won't be racking up the yards we did last year, no way.

But who cares? With this defense we don't need to march up and down the field, mostly between the 20s.

We can rely, as we have been, on running behind that line plus low-risk passing. This offense is MORE than adequate.

HAT
10-05-2009, 06:21 PM
Well, notwithstanding his d!ckishness, we won't be rachttp://www.orangemane.com/BB/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2585154king up the yards we did last year, no way.

But who cares? With this defense we don't need to march up and down the field, mostly between the 20s.

We can rely, as we have been, on running behind that line plus low-risk passing. This offense is MORE than adequate.

Not for nothing....but Denver is sitting at 365 YPG so far.

30 yards off of last years 395. To put that in perspective.....NE & AZ tied for 4th in total YPG last year at 365.

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 06:06 AM
Well, notwithstanding his d!ckishness, we won't be racking up the yards we did last year, no way.

But who cares? With this defense we don't need to march up and down the field, mostly between the 20s.

We can rely, as we have been, on running behind that line plus low-risk passing. This offense is MORE than adequate.

19 points per game--we are sub 2007 right now--McD was hired to improve every facet of our game--he has done a wizard like job on our D/ST's--the offense--has taken a 2 steps back..........

rastaman
10-06-2009, 06:58 AM
I'm sorry, but like I posted last week, every time Hillis comes into the game, I expect him to do something stupid and there he was TWICE with penalties on special teams on Sunday. And worse, he even complained about the last one and it was an obvious block in the back, so he just doesn't get it. He just isn't a smart player and is goign to find himself at least, inactive for games if not gone if he keeps this up.

He has already fumbled at the goal line and false started at the goal line this year too. He needs to get with the program.

Hillis isn't a SPECIAL TEAMS player!.....period, and having playing ST is a waste of his true talent. Hillis is more valuable running btwn and off tackle as well as his pass catching ability out of the back field. Too bad McD has put Hillis in a catch 22 position. Perhaps next year (if he's not injured on ST's) McD will realize his mistake and better utilize Hillis in his NE West Coast Offense.

TonyR
10-06-2009, 07:05 AM
19 points per game--we are sub 2007 right now--McD was hired to improve every facet of our game--he has done a wizard like job on our D/ST's--the offense--has taken a 2 steps back..........

Well, in reality you only need to score more points than your opponent. And thus far they've done that four times and failed to do it zero times.

But I'll agree with you, as would McD, that there is room for improvement.

TotallyScrewed
10-06-2009, 07:23 AM
Better than 20-29, 2 TDs and 243 yards passing with 0 interceptions and the best 4th quarter QB rating in the league you mean?

Sure, that's great, when he gets better than that Denver will be unstoppable.


The touchdown late...Marshall...was all on Marshall. That was a badly thrown ball that should have been and probably would have been intercepted had Marshall not made a spectacular play and the final 30-35 yards was all Marshall doing his thing...

Orton could have easily been 19-29, 1 TD, 186 and an interception + return.

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 07:32 AM
Well, in reality you only need to score more points than your opponent. And thus far they've done that four times and failed to do it zero times.

But I'll agree with you, as would McD, that there is room for improvement.

Absolutely--If we would have had to wager as to what would be the source of debate in this board once the season began--I doubt that anyone thought that we would be debating why the offense is LESS effective than our defense! LOL.....

But still--holding teams to 7 points per game will not last-and the only time that Orton looked above average we played the raiders(21st) and Browns(31st) in total defense........our running game is 4th in the league--our TOP is 11th and yet our third down conversion rate is only 19th........some is certainly attributed to the inordinate amount of penalties but some blame can be given to the QB too..

barryr
10-06-2009, 07:45 AM
I forgot Hills fumbled a kickoff return too this year, with his fumble near the goal line, false starting at the goal line, and 2 penalties on Sunday. Hard to prove you should get more playing time when you do those things with the few chances given. Basically, Hillis can't be counted on right now.

oubronco
10-06-2009, 07:48 AM
cheeseburgers are good.

I agree

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 07:53 AM
Without a hailmary deflection TD in game one --he leads us to ZERO TD's

Against Dallas--without getting the ball at the 11 yard line--he leads us to ONLY 10 points--but only after a spectacular, YAC effort from Marshall--playing against a team that gave up 21 points to Tampa and averaged giving up 20/game---go ahead an settle for mediocrity from the offense--those of us who enjoy the intricacies of the game realize that we are incredibly flawed in our passing game......you kool aid swilling plebians are just too stupid to realize it--
The moral in all of this:

You can lead a blind horse to water but you cannot make him drink it.......

oubronco
10-06-2009, 07:56 AM
4-0 :welcome:

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 07:57 AM
4-0 :welcome:

DESPITE Orton ---that is what I am shedding light on....

oubronco
10-06-2009, 07:58 AM
DESPITE Orton ---that is what I am shedding light on....

Doesn't matter we are 4-0

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 08:09 AM
Doesn't matter we are 4-0

Of course it doesn't matter to the AVERAGE/Casual fan........glad that you could shed light on your INCREDIBLY AVERAGE and COMMON perspective

oubronco
10-06-2009, 08:11 AM
Of course it doesn't matter to the AVERAGE/Casual fan........glad that you could shed light on your INCREDIBLY AVERAGE and COMMON perspective

What would you feel better about yourself if we were 0-4

strafen
10-06-2009, 08:13 AM
Wow.....only 3 spots lower than all last year. Not bad, considering how badly our QB sucks and an entirely new system.

:thumbsup:That's all Orton, baby
He's the messiah!
ROFL!

cmhargrove
10-06-2009, 08:24 AM
Without a hailmary deflection TD in game one --he leads us to ZERO TD's

Against Dallas--without getting the ball at the 11 yard line--he leads us to ONLY 10 points--but only after a spectacular, YAC effort from Marshall--playing against a team that gave up 21 points to Tampa and averaged giving up 20/game---go ahead an settle for mediocrity from the offense--those of us who enjoy the intricacies of the game realize that we are incredibly flawed in our passing game......you kool aid swilling plebians are just too stupid to realize it--
The moral in all of this:

You can lead a blind horse to water but you cannot make him drink it.......

A blind horse? Really? And the rest of us are "plebians?"

The first three games have been an absolute pleasure to watch. I am having an ball as a fan. Broncos football is exciting and this newly forged staff, team, and system are showing great promise. Yet - you want this team to look like the Colts offense after four games together?

That's why I foodjacked (then food-boobjacked) your thread - you are an unappreciative idiot that can't enjoy the fun this team is having.

What do you hope for, one winning superbowl week that makes you happy, then the other 51 weeks spent complaining? The point is that football is entertaining, and the Broncos are as entertaining as any football team in recent memory.

Have a little fun - stop creating inane threads bitching about every little problem. Just enjoy it.

TailgateNut
10-06-2009, 08:30 AM
A blind horse? Really? And the rest of us are "plebians?"

The first three games have been an absolute pleasure to watch. I am having an ball as a fan. Broncos football is exciting and this newly forged staff, team, and system are showing great promise. Yet - you want this team to look like the Colts offense after four games together?

That's why I foodjacked (then food-boobjacked) your thread - you are an unappreciative idiot that can't enjoy the fun this team is having.

What do you hope for, one winning superbowl week that makes you happy, then the other 51 weeks spent complaining? The point is that football is entertaining, and the Broncos are as entertaining as any football team in recent memory.

Have a little fun - stop creating inane threads b****ing about every little problem. Just enjoy it.

Don't attempt to change his mind. He obviously grew up being told on a daily basis that he was always right, even when he was wrong. We have to have pity on his confused soul.
In addition he'll insult you by calling you an "average fan".:spit:
Not a "SUPERFAN" as he is, just average.

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 08:47 AM
Don't attempt to change his mind. He obviously grew up being told on a daily basis that he was always right, even when he was wrong. We have to have pity on his confused soul.
In addition he'll insult you by calling you an "average fan".:spit:
Not a "SUPERFAN" as he is, just average.

Objective, pragmatic Broncos fan--that is I

Mr.Meanie
10-06-2009, 09:14 AM
Objective, pragmatic Broncos fan--that is I

I think the major problem everyone has with your posts, is that you are arguing like you think we all are saying Orton is the best QB option we could have.

You're then taking the complete other side of the argument, by arguing he's one of the worst QB's in the league.... which is just absurd.

I would say we all believe he's a slightly above average QB who has really outperformed everyone's expectations. He's top 10 so far in QB rating, and has been smart in letting his team help win the game.

So let's get real... he's not the best QB in the league, but he's OUR best QB. I think you may be a few weeks early with all this negativity...because he'll definately have mistakes and we may even lose a game or 2 in the future... and then you may be justified with this relentless bashing.

Right now though, we're 4-0, one of the best teams in the league...ENJOY IT!

broncofan7
10-06-2009, 09:19 AM
I think the major problem everyone has with your posts, is that you are arguing like you think we all are saying Orton is the best QB option we could have.

You're then taking the complete other side of the argument, by arguing he's one of the worst QB's in the league.... which is just absurd.

I would say we all believe he's a slightly above average QB who has really outperformed everyone's expectations. He's top 10 so far in QB rating, and has been smart in letting his team help win the game.

So let's get real... he's not the best QB in the league, but he's OUR best QB. I think you may be a few weeks early with all this negativity...because he'll definately have mistakes and we may even lose a game or 2 in the future... and then you may be justified with this relentless bashing.

Right now though, we're 4-0, one of the best teams in the league...ENJOY IT!

We almost lost games when our defense gave up 7 & 10 points---that is reason enough to begin questioning the offensive scoring output.......